Oppression witha Capital O if you know what I mean

[SkinBasket]

So political opinion is now being regulated by our administrator. How wonderful.

[Administrator]

So political opinion is now being regulated by our administrator. How wonderful.

Oh, bullshit.

[SkinBasket]

Okay Anita Dunn.

Unless you remove all non-football related sigs, you're just pushing your own beliefs. But whatever. Who cares what our signatures say if no one can get in the website anyway?

[mraynrand]

"I'm not a big one for rules, as you all should know, but when you are mocking the admin of another football site, and making fun of our President, I think you might need some guidance. At least if you enjoy posting here.

Appreciate your understanding - Joe."


I understand and get the message. Good bye.

[retailguy]

Okay Anita Dunn.

Unless you remove all non-football related sigs, you're just pushing your own beliefs. But whatever. Who cares what our signatures say if no one can get in the website anyway?

lol. last time I checked the packer forum was open to the masses. So, as long as that stays true, your signatures ARE visible to the outside world.

Maybe that's his point? Other than that, I've got nothing...

[Administrator]

"I'm not a big one for rules, as you all should know, but when you are mocking the admin of another football site, and making fun of our President, I think you might need some guidance. At least if you enjoy posting here.

Appreciate your understanding - Joe."


I understand and get the message. Good bye..

No, mraynrand, you don't get it at all. So much drama, I am not sure where to start.

A month or two back, I found some of our commentary and threads duplicated on another packer website. There were complete copies of 4 or 5 different threads and duplication of several poster accounts. One poster account was completely copied, right down to the avatar and the location of said poster. I just assumed that the poster had accounts at both places. What puzzled me, was that another few posters contributions here, were duplicated there word for word, but the poster accounts were not the same.

I contacted the members here and asked if they had duplicated their content elsewhere and if these accounts were legitimate. (Incidentally, I'd have no problems with that if it were true). As I suspected, it wasn't true. The content was simply copied, without acknowledgment or permission.

I contacted the other site and asked for removal of the threads in question, and that site complied, but complied reluctantly claiming that they could not and should not police their membership.

If I'm going to ask them to police themselves, well, we are going to police ourselves also. One of the accusations thrown back at me during those discussions is that we have some "pretty crummy" members here too. I'm sure that's possible. I asked for specifics, but never received any. Had I; I most certainly would have investigated and taken action, if appropriate.

So, at the end of the day, I'm not going to allow the membership here to openly mock the administrator of a competing Packer website. While it might be funny to some, it isn't what I want to build here. We are a football website after all.

Next, the Obama banner. I acquired a site that allowed political discussion. Rather unusual in itself. As part of the deal I made, I agreed to not make radical changes to that site. So I have left FYI alone. A lot of banter goes on in that room, and I purposely do not weigh in. As long as that banter stays in that room, it has been sanctioned as OK.

I'm particularly hard on those that bring that discussion, or their personal disagreements with other posters over political discussion out of that room. That isn't happening. Political discussion has no place outside of the FYI room.

Right now, our Packers discussion is open to the world. Anyone can read anything that is posted in the Packer room. That includes avatars, banners, and signatures. Your political banners are "exposed to the world", and as such attributed to this website.

If I'm not going to allow banners that mock other folks, I'm not going to mock political figures either, and that includes the President. So, I restricted banners and photos to "football related".

I didn't remove any signatures with "witty political statements" or other statements. Just the photos. Hopefully it stays that way.

Hopefully the majority see that it isn't censorship as much as it is bringing the focus back to packer football.

[SkinBasket]

Okay Anita Dunn.

Unless you remove all non-football related sigs, you're just pushing your own beliefs. But whatever. Who cares what our signatures say if no one can get in the website anyway?

lol. last time I checked the packer forum was open to the masses. So, as long as that stays true, your signatures ARE visible to the outside world.

Maybe that's his point? Other than that, I've got nothing...

I was referencing the homepage. We've gained all of 11 new posters since Aug 01. 88 posts from 5 new members since May 3rd. This site doesn't even show up in searches, so the only people finding it are the ones who know it exists.

Are signatures which are disingenuously labeled as "making fun of the president" really the biggest problem facing the site?

[MichiganPackerFan]

Okay Anita Dunn.

Unless you remove all non-football related sigs, you're just pushing your own beliefs. But whatever. Who cares what our signatures say if no one can get in the website anyway?

lol. last time I checked the packer forum was open to the masses. So, as long as that stays true, your signatures ARE visible to the outside world.

Maybe that's his point? Other than that, I've got nothing...

I was referencing the homepage. We've gained all of 11 new posters since Aug 01. 88 posts from 5 new members since May 3rd. This site doesn't even show up in searches, so the only people finding it are the ones who know it exists.

Are signatures which are disingenuously labeled as "making fun of the president" really the biggest problem facing the site?

I guess we could use some fresh meat and trolls to mock and harass. Or maybe that's why we're not getting new members!!!

[SkinBasket]

I didn't remove any signatures with "witty political statements" or other statements. Just the photos. Hopefully it stays that way.

So it's fine to mock political figures, as long as it's done with text. Gotcha. That makes much more sense.

[Administrator]

I was referencing the homepage. We've gained all of 11 new posters since Aug 01. 88 posts from 5 new members since May 3rd. This site doesn't even show up in searches, so the only people finding it are the ones who know it exists.

Are signatures which are disingenuously labeled as "making fun of the president" really the biggest problem facing the site?

I guess we could use some fresh meat and trolls to mock and harass. Or maybe that's why we're not getting new members!!!

Way to blend the issues, skinbasket. I think michigan packer fan has it exactly right. We aren't very good at encouraging those who "read" here to sign up and contribute.

That's a wholly different issue. We really don't need to show up in search engines to get membership. We just need the best packer discussion. The rest of it helps.

But, the extraneous bullshit doesn't help. Skinbasket, you push every envelope that is put in front of you. Right to the edge of the cliff. How far can I push it? is your daily goal. Sometimes you push too far. Just deal with it.

If you think for one minute that you, or Tyrone, or Partial actually encourage new membership to come here, you have lost your mind. You guys are a big part of why these guests don't sign up.

Tyrone thinks he is a blasted expert at every single thing he talks about, Partial thinks he can figure out how the world works by thinking and then talking about it, and you seem to have a personal mission to corrupt the views of every single person that wanders into the room, including children.

You want more members? Stop pushing the envelope. Contribute to the Packer discussion instead of photoshopping photos all day. But I suspect that you really don't care about new members, you just want to do as you please...

Almost every minute of the workday there are over 20 guests at any given time. They stay 10 to 20 minutes, and then they move on with their day. Maybe, if they didn't have to scroll through pages and pages of bullshit, and idiotic comments, they'd contribute. :idea:

[Zool]

Waffles

[Tyrone Bigguns]

So nice to be called out when i'm not involved in the discussion.

Classy.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Almost every minute of the workday there are over 20 guests at any given time. They stay 10 to 20 minutes, and then they move on with their day. Maybe, if they didn't have to scroll through pages and pages of bullshit, and idiotic comments, they'd contribute. :idea:

Wow - it took me nearly three hours this morning to scroll through (and add to) pages and pages of bullshit, and (make) idiotic comments: the potential newbies must be efficient!!!

(not to undermine your point admin, just adding some light humor!!)

[SkinBasket]

I was referencing the homepage. We've gained all of 11 new posters since Aug 01. 88 posts from 5 new members since May 3rd. This site doesn't even show up in searches, so the only people finding it are the ones who know it exists.

Are signatures which are disingenuously labeled as "making fun of the president" really the biggest problem facing the site?

I guess we could use some fresh meat and trolls to mock and harass. Or maybe that's why we're not getting new members!!!

Way to blend the issues, skinbasket. I think michigan packer fan has it exactly right. We aren't very good at encouraging those who "read" here to sign up and contribute.

That's a wholly different issue. We really don't need to show up in search engines to get membership. We just need the best packer discussion. The rest of it helps.

But, the extraneous bullshit doesn't help. Skinbasket, you push every envelope that is put in front of you. Right to the edge of the cliff. How far can I push it? is your daily goal. Sometimes you push too far. Just deal with it.

If you think for one minute that you, or Tyrone, or Partial actually encourage new membership to come here, you have lost your mind. You guys are a big part of why these guests don't sign up.

Tyrone thinks he is a blasted expert at every single thing he talks about, Partial thinks he can figure out how the world works by thinking and then talking about it, and you seem to have a personal mission to corrupt the views of every single person that wanders into the room, including children.

You want more members? Stop pushing the envelope. Contribute to the Packer discussion instead of photoshopping photos all day. But I suspect that you really don't care about new members, you just want to do as you please...

Almost every minute of the workday there are over 20 guests at any given time. They stay 10 to 20 minutes, and then they move on with their day. Maybe, if they didn't have to scroll through pages and pages of bullshit, and idiotic comments, they'd contribute. :idea:

So now I'm a corrupter of children? What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

As far as pushing the envelope, what fucking envelope am I pushing outside of the Garbage Can, where no "envelope" exists? You're going to blame photoshopped images in the Garbage Can for not having any new members? Well, on an unlisted website with a broken front page that mocks anyone who might want to try to enter, that's certainly an ironclad argument.

Maybe you should stop blaming the membership who've been here from the beginning for your complete lack of effort at even basic HTML - much less anything that would encourage anyone to find - or god forbid, BE ABLE TO ENTER THE SITE. Yeah, I've harped on this point before, and I know updating websites is about as fun as sticking a fork in your ass, but it's been over half a year and you seem content with an unindexed site with a broken front page that's brought in 11 people since preseason football began.

The fighting, cursing, and drama have been a constant at this site since it started. If anything, the Packer section is as clean and orderly as it's ever been. It's laughable that you blame that now for no new members while simultaneously defending your broken, unfindable website. Every other Packer forum is listed in a basic, "Packer forum" or "green bay packer forum" search. Except this one. I'm sorry, but it makes it real difficult to believe that you have any interest in this place surviving, much less improving.

[falco]

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

:P

[SkinBasket]

First they came for the Tanks, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Tank;
Then they came for the Favre fans, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Favre fan;
Then they came for the Favre haters, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Favre hater;
Then they came for the FYIers, and I did not speak out—because I was not a FYIer;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

:P

[Partial]

So nice to be called out when i'm not involved in the discussion.

Classy.

At least we can agree on something.

Admin, you know very little of internet marketing and registration rates if you think that the reason many of those 10 to 20 lurkers aren't contributing is the content here. There is fine content.

Don't blame me for your sites problems. Look at the guy in the mirror.

I've told you what it would take to run a successful forum. WORK and FAIRNESS. Two things you've been unwilling/unable to contribute.

See the terms of service at these other successful forums. Step one to cleaning this place up would be posting and actively enforcing similar rules.

http://forums.applenova.com/guidelines.html
http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/announcement.php?f=3&a=3

Note those forums also have up to date software with ignore features, etc.

[SkinBasket]

Your silent censoring speaks volumes, but an explanation as to how any of your actions have helped grow, or even maintain, this site, would be a better read. I'm off to welcome our 12th new member who braved the Bermuda Triangle to get here since our meta tags were removed from the broken homepage. Not saying you don't want anyone finding the site anymore... Just that's exactly how someone who didn't want anyone to know a website existed anymore would go about doing it. But, hey, it's your show. I'm just a player.

[Scott Campbell]

I think for the most part these characters do way more good than harm. We can all get football news pretty much anywhere on the web. I enjoy the wacky antics just as much as the great football discussion. AdminJo is in a tough spot. How do you nurture this diverse bunch of characters without creating a hostile environment for new posters? Ask 10 people and you might get 10 different answers.

I've seen 4 names tossed out there in this thread. If all of them were banned or disappeared, I'd begin to wonder what's really left of PackerRats. On the other hand if anarchy drives away new posters, then were probably dead anyway.

Maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle.

[MadtownPacker]

Your silent censoring speaks volumes, but an explanation as to how any of your actions have helped grow, or even maintain, this site, would be a better read. I'm off to welcome our 12th new member who braved the Bermuda Triangle to get here since our meta tags were removed from the broken homepage. Not saying you don't want anyone finding the site anymore... Just that's exactly how someone who didn't want anyone to know a website existed anymore would go about doing it. But, hey, it's your show. I'm just a player.This is bullshit. What exactly do YOU do? As least this guy was willing to take on this shithole. Nice how you spit in his face for doing so. Typical big talk from a little man. Maybe offer to make the index page for him since your so badass at it. You already said you dont work anyways. Sure you can skip one anime cartoon during the day.

Joe, fuck this guy he will be a pain in the ass no matter what you do.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Your silent censoring speaks volumes, but an explanation as to how any of your actions have helped grow, or even maintain, this site, would be a better read. I'm off to welcome our 12th new member who braved the Bermuda Triangle to get here since our meta tags were removed from the broken homepage. Not saying you don't want anyone finding the site anymore... Just that's exactly how someone who didn't want anyone to know a website existed anymore would go about doing it. But, hey, it's your show. I'm just a player.This is bullshit. What exactly do YOU do? As least this guy was willing to take on this shithole. Nice how you spit in his face for doing so. Typical big talk from a little man. Maybe offer to make the index page for him since your so badass at it. You already said you dont work anyways. Sure you can skip one anime cartoon during the day.

Joe, fuck this guy he will be a pain in the ass no matter what you do.

Has joe asked for anybody's help. Before criticizing skin for not assisting, skin or anybody has to be asked or allowed to contribute.

As for giving kudos to the admin for "willing to...shithole" were you soliciting offers? We all must have missed that. :oops:

[SkinBasket]

Your silent censoring speaks volumes, but an explanation as to how any of your actions have helped grow, or even maintain, this site, would be a better read. I'm off to welcome our 12th new member who braved the Bermuda Triangle to get here since our meta tags were removed from the broken homepage. Not saying you don't want anyone finding the site anymore... Just that's exactly how someone who didn't want anyone to know a website existed anymore would go about doing it. But, hey, it's your show. I'm just a player.This is bullshit. What exactly do YOU do? As least this guy was willing to take on this shithole. Nice how you spit in his face for doing so. Typical big talk from a little man. Maybe offer to make the index page for him since your so badass at it. You already said you dont work anyways. Sure you can skip one anime cartoon during the day.

Joe, fuck this guy he will be a pain in the ass no matter what you do.

Says the guy who burned the barn before selling the plot.

I'm simply left wondering why this site is not only not being promoted, but for intensive purposes, intentionally hidden. That's not an insult, nor is it "spitting in someone's face." It's a valid concern after more than half a year of waiting. If Joe wants to call out posters for ways to improve their posting, I certainly think it's more than fair to express concerns about the site we post at. I'm assuming there's no conspiracy or anything to hide, yet after several posters have asked several times, we have yet to get an answer.

You already offered to help with the homepage, so I'm amazed it never got done.

[Administrator]

Your silent censoring speaks volumes, but an explanation as to how any of your actions have helped grow, or even maintain, this site, would be a better read. I'm off to welcome our 12th new member who braved the Bermuda Triangle to get here since our meta tags were removed from the broken homepage. Not saying you don't want anyone finding the site anymore... Just that's exactly how someone who didn't want anyone to know a website existed anymore would go about doing it. But, hey, it's your show. I'm just a player.This is bullshit. What exactly do YOU do? As least this guy was willing to take on this shithole. Nice how you spit in his face for doing so. Typical big talk from a little man. Maybe offer to make the index page for him since your so badass at it. You already said you dont work anyways. Sure you can skip one anime cartoon during the day.

Joe, fuck this guy he will be a pain in the ass no matter what you do.

Madtown, I do appreciate the advice. Yes, I've noticed. Lots of people in the world that behave as long as they get their way, but bitch and moan when things go the other way. Not much you can do.

Skinbasket, I know that you think you've got this all figured out, but you really don't. I have a plan for what I'm doing here, and it will work. Having a little difficulty getting out the gate, but it will work when I do.

I don't owe you, or anyone else for that matter, an explanation. You don't owe me anything, except behaving while you're here...

I've asked for help on a couple of occasions. The first time, my thread was trashed with a bunch of bullshit. The second time, I was reminded that "you don't work for free". Heard you buddy, and I'm plunking some money down, but am going with somebody that I can trust.

Finally, Scott, I agree with what you said. I don't want to see this place without anybody. In fact, it would be my preference to bring those back that we've bid farewell to. But life doesn't work that way.

I called out 3 folks that I believe can't behave. My goal was to illustrate a point with real world examples of what I'm seeing, and what I'm hearing from members who don't post much here any longer. I got a PM, not long ago, from a member who won't let his pre-teen son read these forums because Skin can't behave. And I'm not talking about the garbage can. I'm talking about black hookers, and road trips among other things. Last time I checked pre-teen boys can read.

I get more PM complaints about Tyrone than every single other forum member combined. He frequently cites things from other sites, but couldn't give link credit for the idea if his life depended on it. He argues about anything, with anybody, at anytime and must have the last word. Partial has the uncanny ability to start a war in a thread about Kum Bay Ya. Then, when the war is raging, he gets pissed off about "unfairness" and blasts the entire forum with out of context quotes. He also has the recent past PM title for most complaints. That's reality.

Yet, none of them even accepted anything resembling responsibility. All basically said "fuck you", and then gave a litany of reasons why it couldn't be true and I'm mistaken. I heard the message loud and clear.

[Partial]

What three are you going to blame next when we're gone? Banning us is a band-aid for a bullet wound. If I had to guess next up would be Nutz definitely, RG skates a fine line often, and either SC or Harlan.

I still don't understand how I'm the problem. I don't personally attack nor do I fuel flame wars. At least certainly not to the extent that the other posters are allowed to get away with.

You're essentially giving the nerd detention because all the bullies pick on him. Think about how idiotic that is.

For what its worth, I agree with you that Skin posts stupid shit and Ty is kind of a prick. That said, I'm a nice guy. Don't lump me in with those two.

Preteens shouldn't be reading this forum. When you register it says you have to be 13 or older.

[MJZiggy]

I don't think you realize how incredibly peaceful it was around here for a while...

Maybe if you didn't argue unsubstantiated opinion against posted facts to the death, people wouldn't be so frustrated as to lash out at you.

[Partial]

I don't think you realize how incredibly peaceful it was around here for a while...

Maybe if you didn't argue unsubstantiated opinion against posted facts to the death, people wouldn't be so frustrated as to lash out at you.

Yep, it's my fault that people get riled up and resort to personal attacks. Note that I very rarely return the favor. I'm the solution, not the problem. I've never had a problem on any other forums before. This one is just run like a fricking zoo.

[Administrator]

What three are you going to blame next when we're gone? Banning us is a band-aid for a bullet wound. If I had to guess next up would be Nutz definitely, RG skates a fine line often, and either SC or Harlan.

I still don't understand how I'm the problem. I don't personally attack nor do I fuel flame wars. At least certainly not to the extent that the other posters are allowed to get away with.

You're essentially giving the nerd detention because all the bullies pick on him. Think about how idiotic that is.

For what its worth, I agree with you that Skin posts stupid shit and Ty is kind of a prick. That said, I'm a nice guy. Don't lump me in with those two.

Preteens shouldn't be reading this forum. When you register it says you have to be 13 or older.

Let me see if I've got that correct. You tell me that I have nailed the behavior of Skin and Tyrone, but, in your case I've got it all wrong...

Yeah. Ok.

[Partial]

What three are you going to blame next when we're gone? Banning us is a band-aid for a bullet wound. If I had to guess next up would be Nutz definitely, RG skates a fine line often, and either SC or Harlan.

I still don't understand how I'm the problem. I don't personally attack nor do I fuel flame wars. At least certainly not to the extent that the other posters are allowed to get away with.

You're essentially giving the nerd detention because all the bullies pick on him. Think about how idiotic that is.

For what its worth, I agree with you that Skin posts stupid shit and Ty is kind of a prick. That said, I'm a nice guy. Don't lump me in with those two.

Preteens shouldn't be reading this forum. When you register it says you have to be 13 or older.

Let me see if I've got that correct. You tell me that I have nailed the behavior of Skin and Tyrone, but, in your case I've got it all wrong...

Yeah. Ok.

I posted concrete examples of personal attacks and sarcastic remarks at about a 40 to 1 ratio yet saw ZERO action or warnings from you. Yet I'm the one, who didn't discuss anything but football, who was reprimanded. Personally, even if its a financial venture for me or not, my integrity would come first and foremost..

I made a deal with a friend that I wouldn't give you anymore shit, so I won't, but dude... I don't even know what to say. I would love to sit down and talk with you in person and attempt to understand your thought process...

Please point out concrete, unsnipped examples of where I've broken the rules and made a personal attack without being heavily baited into it before hand.

I actually don't even think Ty is that bad. He's sarcastic and kind of an assbag. No big deal. He's less of an asshat that ThunderDan and Falco. Skin has to stop with all the damn pics imo.

[pasquale]

Game. Set. Match. Mutherfucker

[SkinBasket]

Skinbasket, I know that you think you've got this all figured out, but you really don't. I have a plan for what I'm doing here, and it will work. Having a little difficulty getting out the gate, but it will work when I do.

I don't have shit figured out, which is why I've made a point of asking about it. The main reason for that is because you haven't said shit. And you continue to say nothing. So forgive the confusion about your secret, slowly developing plans and complete lack of initiative in the interim. The fact remains: No meta tags=no search engine results. No link to the forum from the main page. No new members.


I don't owe you, or anyone else for that matter, an explanation. You don't owe me anything, except behaving while you're here...

All I can say is that it must be nice to demand accountability from others while openly shirking the very concept yourself. Hypocrisy is great, ain't it?


Heard you buddy, and I'm plunking some money down, but am going with somebody that I can trust.

Two way street. Buddy. You came in with Madtown in your ear, and some of your complaints about me lately show that you're clinging to some of his old misconceptions. I can't help that, but it also makes considering working with you a bit difficult to fathom. Seriously, no offense to whoever you are, but I'm not into providing free labor for someone I neither know nor trust, especially when they've done ZERO work themselves in half a year outside of banning people and chastising others. I made the mistake once and it didn't end well. Not your fault, but there it is.


I got a PM, not long ago, from a member who won't let his pre-teen son read these forums because Skin can't behave. And I'm not talking about the garbage can. I'm talking about black hookers, and road trips among other things. Last time I checked pre-teen boy can read.

I guess first off, if we want to talk about facts instead of misconceptions, you can travel back and read that thread, and find I wasn't the one who brought the black hooker into the mix. Second, if pre-teen readability is going to be your standard, you might want to check yourself and how you post. Or just about 80% of the other people here. I won't name names. That seems petty. Needless to say, they weren't included in your "naughty list." If pre-teen boy can read the forum now, you seem to be defeating your own argument anyway. I've done most of what you've asked. What's my return? Being your scapegoat? Great. Thanks.


Yet, none of them even accepted anything resembling responsibility. All basically said "fuck you", and then gave a litany of reasons why it couldn't be true and I'm mistaken. I heard the message loud and clear.

A lot of talk about accountability for someone who accepts none, flaunts his own rules, and has produced nothing of his own thus far. I would love for you to prove me wrong. I would love for people to be able to find this website and engage in football talk, off topic talk, whatever they want to talk about. I would love for there to be meta tags on our front page so search engines know we exist. I would love for you to lead by example and accept ANY accountability for the state of the website instead of blaming others. But I ain't holding my fucking breath.


I know it's not in your best interests to engage me on this topic as it's now rather wide ranging. But the bigger problem is that your complaints about me are bullshit. Your claims about what you want to do with the website are nice. They have been since May. If you want to have me and others you feel the need to personally attack accept accountability for who we are and how we post, try the idea out yourself instead of finding new scapegoats each month.

[ThunderDan]

My life is ruined Partial called me an asshat. I don't know how I'm going to get up tomorrow. I don't think life is worth living anymore. :cry:

[SkinBasket]

P.S. Congratulations on breaking Partial so easily. It makes painting us all with the same brush a lot easier doesn't it?

[falco]

He's sarcastic and kind of an assbag. No big deal. He's less of an asshat that ThunderDan and Falco.

Just so I understand, an assbag is not as bad as an asshat?

[Deputy Nutz]

Your silent censoring speaks volumes, but an explanation as to how any of your actions have helped grow, or even maintain, this site, would be a better read. I'm off to welcome our 12th new member who braved the Bermuda Triangle to get here since our meta tags were removed from the broken homepage. Not saying you don't want anyone finding the site anymore... Just that's exactly how someone who didn't want anyone to know a website existed anymore would go about doing it. But, hey, it's your show. I'm just a player.This is bullshit. What exactly do YOU do? As least this guy was willing to take on this shithole. Nice how you spit in his face for doing so. Typical big talk from a little man. Maybe offer to make the index page for him since your so badass at it. You already said you dont work anyways. Sure you can skip one anime cartoon during the day.

Joe, fuck this guy he will be a pain in the ass no matter what you do.

Stop being a complete cocksucker and go away, again. I don't give a shit anymore, burn this shit hole down for all I care. I have been drunk since noon.

[Partial]

P.S. Congratulations on breaking Partial so easily. It makes painting us all with the same brush a lot easier doesn't it?

Shut up, you're ignoring the stupid shit you pull and instead try to put the blame on him. The difference between you and me is I don't pull stupid shit.

Ziggy, I was just driving home and was thinking about what a stupid comment you made. Concrete facts? This is football, a game of bounces and luck, not fricking algebra. You can throw for 400 yards and look like crap much of the game in football. You can run the ball, stop the run, and still get beat. Lots of craziness. I acknowledge facts like statistics, but I'm also smart enough to recognize that they are basically meaningless and paint an extremely small portion of the picture...

Falco, TD, not too fun being ripped on when you're not even part of the topic, hey? Get ready, once Admin gets rid of us I would say you guys will be next on the list.

[Partial]

Your silent censoring speaks volumes, but an explanation as to how any of your actions have helped grow, or even maintain, this site, would be a better read. I'm off to welcome our 12th new member who braved the Bermuda Triangle to get here since our meta tags were removed from the broken homepage. Not saying you don't want anyone finding the site anymore... Just that's exactly how someone who didn't want anyone to know a website existed anymore would go about doing it. But, hey, it's your show. I'm just a player.This is bullshit. What exactly do YOU do? As least this guy was willing to take on this shithole. Nice how you spit in his face for doing so. Typical big talk from a little man. Maybe offer to make the index page for him since your so badass at it. You already said you dont work anyways. Sure you can skip one anime cartoon during the day.

Joe, fuck this guy he will be a pain in the ass no matter what you do.

Stop being a complete cocksucker and go away, again. I don't give a shit anymore, burn this shit hole down for all I care. I have been drunk since noon.

I think Mad actually made a pretty good point.

[Zool]

Penis

[Deputy Nutz]

Your silent censoring speaks volumes, but an explanation as to how any of your actions have helped grow, or even maintain, this site, would be a better read. I'm off to welcome our 12th new member who braved the Bermuda Triangle to get here since our meta tags were removed from the broken homepage. Not saying you don't want anyone finding the site anymore... Just that's exactly how someone who didn't want anyone to know a website existed anymore would go about doing it. But, hey, it's your show. I'm just a player.This is bullshit. What exactly do YOU do? As least this guy was willing to take on this shithole. Nice how you spit in his face for doing so. Typical big talk from a little man. Maybe offer to make the index page for him since your so badass at it. You already said you dont work anyways. Sure you can skip one anime cartoon during the day.

Joe, fuck this guy he will be a pain in the ass no matter what you do.

Stop being a complete cocksucker and go away, again. I don't give a shit anymore, burn this shit hole down for all I care. I have been drunk since noon.

I think Mad actually made a pretty good point.

You want to get into this shit again? This shit ain't worth dick, this forum's only value are the people that post here and the fucked up relationships formed.

So fuck the homepage, fuck the admin, fuck mad, and fuck off yourself, because it doesn't really fucking matter. Skin called him out after he told you, Ty, and him that they were the reason this place is "fucked".

[Partial]

Your silent censoring speaks volumes, but an explanation as to how any of your actions have helped grow, or even maintain, this site, would be a better read. I'm off to welcome our 12th new member who braved the Bermuda Triangle to get here since our meta tags were removed from the broken homepage. Not saying you don't want anyone finding the site anymore... Just that's exactly how someone who didn't want anyone to know a website existed anymore would go about doing it. But, hey, it's your show. I'm just a player.This is bullshit. What exactly do YOU do? As least this guy was willing to take on this shithole. Nice how you spit in his face for doing so. Typical big talk from a little man. Maybe offer to make the index page for him since your so badass at it. You already said you dont work anyways. Sure you can skip one anime cartoon during the day.

Joe, fuck this guy he will be a pain in the ass no matter what you do.

Stop being a complete cocksucker and go away, again. I don't give a shit anymore, burn this shit hole down for all I care. I have been drunk since noon.

I think Mad actually made a pretty good point.

You want to get into this shit again? This shit ain't worth dick, this forum's only value are the people that post here and the fucked up relationships formed.

So fuck the homepage, fuck the admin, fuck mad, and fuck off yourself, because it doesn't really fucking matter. Skin called him out after he told you, Ty, and him that they were the reason this place is "fucked".

I agree, but Skin does bitch a lot.

[SkinBasket]

P.S. Congratulations on breaking Partial so easily. It makes painting us all with the same brush a lot easier doesn't it?

Shut up, you're ignoring the stupid shit you pull and instead try to put the blame on him. The difference between you and me is I don't pull stupid shit.

Ziggy, I was just driving home and was thinking about what a stupid comment you made. Concrete facts? This is football, a game of bounces and luck, not fricking algebra. You can throw for 400 yards and look like crap much of the game in football. You can run the ball, stop the run, and still get beat. Lots of craziness. I acknowledge facts like statistics, but I'm also smart enough to recognize that they are basically meaningless and paint an extremely small portion of the picture...

Falco, TD, not too fun being ripped on when you're not even part of the topic, hey? Get ready, once Admin gets rid of us I would say you guys will be next on the list.

Oh good lord, man. Clam the fuck down and stop proving his point. Have a little clarity for once in your life and stop saying whatever you think will save your own ass. Admin made a point of lumping three people together. He probably feels all clever like the masked pervert in the SAW movies right now. You've just accepted the role of the first person to blow their own head off because you thought you could escape by fucking everyone else and running out the front door.

[falco]

You've just accepted the role of the first person to blow their own head off because you thought you could escape by fucking everyone else and running out the front door.

This is an incredibly poignant analogy.

[Zool]

Penis

[SkinBasket]

Penis

You can try as hard as you want Zool. You'll never be as diabolically destructive as the SkinBasket: Corrupter of Children!!!!

[Zool]

Penis

You can try as hard as you want Zool. You'll never be as diabolically destructive as the SkinBasket: Corrupter of Children!!!!

I'm more subtle in my evil. Eventually someone who reads this thread will be looking at a penis and think of me.

I'm Lex Luthor and you're Solomon Grundy.

[SkinBasket]

Penis

You can try as hard as you want Zool. You'll never be as diabolically destructive as the SkinBasket: Corrupter of Children!!!!

I'm more subtle in my evil. Eventually someone who reads this thread will be looking at a penis and think of me.

I'm Lex Luthor and you're Solomon Grundy.

Would I be more or less dorky if I knew what that meant? You answer will determine whether I google this Grundy fellow or not. I think I know who Lex Luthor is. He has metal claws and fights a guy in a floating wheelchair.

[Partial]

P.S. Congratulations on breaking Partial so easily. It makes painting us all with the same brush a lot easier doesn't it?

Shut up, you're ignoring the stupid shit you pull and instead try to put the blame on him. The difference between you and me is I don't pull stupid shit.

Ziggy, I was just driving home and was thinking about what a stupid comment you made. Concrete facts? This is football, a game of bounces and luck, not fricking algebra. You can throw for 400 yards and look like crap much of the game in football. You can run the ball, stop the run, and still get beat. Lots of craziness. I acknowledge facts like statistics, but I'm also smart enough to recognize that they are basically meaningless and paint an extremely small portion of the picture...

Falco, TD, not too fun being ripped on when you're not even part of the topic, hey? Get ready, once Admin gets rid of us I would say you guys will be next on the list.

Oh good lord, man. Clam the fuck down and stop proving his point. Have a little clarity for once in your life and stop saying whatever you think will save your own ass. Admin made a point of lumping three people together. He probably feels all clever like the masked pervert in the SAW movies right now. You've just accepted the role of the first person to blow their own head off because you thought you could escape by fucking everyone else and running out the front door.

Nah nah nah.. You've turned this into a website chatter and barking up a tree about Google ranking instead of attacking the meat of the issue.

Admin claims we stir shit up. I claim that he's full of it, and once we're gone there are just going to be the next set of people blamed for the imperfections of the forum. I listed who I think will be whipping boys. RG and Nutz will be because they aren't complete homers. TD and Falco don't really contribute anything original, just smart remarks and arguments.

I think you're in the wrong trying to twist the argument into something its not at this point. I don't wish you to be banned but you know where I stand on your stupid shit posting such as the pics. You're a fine person albeit a bit of a f'd up sexual being. Ty is the sarcastic asshole. Once he is given the boot, someone else will be accused of filling that role (probably RG) and they'll be given the boot themselves over time. Do you agree with this assessment of the social behavior of an unmoderated forum such as this one?

[Zool]

Penis

You can try as hard as you want Zool. You'll never be as diabolically destructive as the SkinBasket: Corrupter of Children!!!!

I'm more subtle in my evil. Eventually someone who reads this thread will be looking at a penis and think of me.

I'm Lex Luthor and you're Solomon Grundy.

Would I be more or less dorky if I knew what that meant? You answer will determine whether I google this Grundy fellow or not. I think I know who Lex Luthor is. He has metal claws and fights a guy in a floating wheelchair.

Lex is the evil genius. Solomon Grundy smashes everything with brute force.

[ThunderDan]

Admin claims we stir shit up. I claim that he's full of it, and once we're gone there are just going to be the next set of people blamed for the imperfections of the forum. I listed who I think will be whipping boys. RG and Nutz will be because they aren't complete homers. TD and Falco don't really contribute anything original, just smart remarks and arguments.



This from the kid who brings up pressures and hurries but won't look up the numbers to support his position and goes "SWISH."

[HowardRoark]

You've just accepted the role of the first person to blow their own head off because you thought you could escape by fucking everyone else and running out the front door.

This is an incredibly poignant analogy.

Simmer down asshat.

[Partial]

Admin claims we stir shit up. I claim that he's full of it, and once we're gone there are just going to be the next set of people blamed for the imperfections of the forum. I listed who I think will be whipping boys. RG and Nutz will be because they aren't complete homers. TD and Falco don't really contribute anything original, just smart remarks and arguments.



This from the kid who brings up pressures and hurries but won't look up the numbers to support his position and goes "SWISH."

Because you posted elite sack numbers and proved my point.... If the sack numbers are already elite, clearly they're getting to the QB... When a guy doesn't have a lot of sacks you look at pressures and hurries to justify whether they're making an impact or not. Sacks are impact plays. Ipso facto, you proved my point and I don't need to do any further research. I was inquiring merely out of curiosity.

[Deputy Nutz]

P.S. Congratulations on breaking Partial so easily. It makes painting us all with the same brush a lot easier doesn't it?

Shut up, you're ignoring the stupid shit you pull and instead try to put the blame on him. The difference between you and me is I don't pull stupid shit.

Ziggy, I was just driving home and was thinking about what a stupid comment you made. Concrete facts? This is football, a game of bounces and luck, not fricking algebra. You can throw for 400 yards and look like crap much of the game in football. You can run the ball, stop the run, and still get beat. Lots of craziness. I acknowledge facts like statistics, but I'm also smart enough to recognize that they are basically meaningless and paint an extremely small portion of the picture...

Falco, TD, not too fun being ripped on when you're not even part of the topic, hey? Get ready, once Admin gets rid of us I would say you guys will be next on the list.

Oh good lord, man. Clam the fuck down and stop proving his point. Have a little clarity for once in your life and stop saying whatever you think will save your own ass. Admin made a point of lumping three people together. He probably feels all clever like the masked pervert in the SAW movies right now. You've just accepted the role of the first person to blow their own head off because you thought you could escape by fucking everyone else and running out the front door.

Nah nah nah.. You've turned this into a website chatter and barking up a tree about Google ranking instead of attacking the meat of the issue.

Admin claims we stir shit up. I claim that he's full of it, and once we're gone there are just going to be the next set of people blamed for the imperfections of the forum. I listed who I think will be whipping boys. RG and Nutz will be because they aren't complete homers. TD and Falco don't really contribute anything original, just smart remarks and arguments.

I think you're in the wrong trying to twist the argument into something its not at this point. I don't wish you to be banned but you know where I stand on your stupid shit posting such as the pics. You're a fine person albeit a bit of a f'd up sexual being. Ty is the sarcastic asshole. Once he is given the boot, someone else will be accused of filling that role (probably RG) and they'll be given the boot themselves over time. Do you agree with this assessment of the social behavior of an unmoderated forum such as this one?

Why do you constantly mention people getting banned? I don't think anyone is getting banned.

[HowardRoark]

P.S. Congratulations on breaking Partial so easily. It makes painting us all with the same brush a lot easier doesn't it?

Shut up, you're ignoring the stupid shit you pull and instead try to put the blame on him. The difference between you and me is I don't pull stupid shit.

Ziggy, I was just driving home and was thinking about what a stupid comment you made. Concrete facts? This is football, a game of bounces and luck, not fricking algebra. You can throw for 400 yards and look like crap much of the game in football. You can run the ball, stop the run, and still get beat. Lots of craziness. I acknowledge facts like statistics, but I'm also smart enough to recognize that they are basically meaningless and paint an extremely small portion of the picture...

Falco, TD, not too fun being ripped on when you're not even part of the topic, hey? Get ready, once Admin gets rid of us I would say you guys will be next on the list.

Oh good lord, man. Clam the fuck down and stop proving his point. Have a little clarity for once in your life and stop saying whatever you think will save your own ass. Admin made a point of lumping three people together. He probably feels all clever like the masked pervert in the SAW movies right now. You've just accepted the role of the first person to blow their own head off because you thought you could escape by fucking everyone else and running out the front door.

Nah nah nah.. You've turned this into a website chatter and barking up a tree about Google ranking instead of attacking the meat of the issue.

Admin claims we stir shit up. I claim that he's full of it, and once we're gone there are just going to be the next set of people blamed for the imperfections of the forum. I listed who I think will be whipping boys. RG and Nutz will be because they aren't complete homers. TD and Falco don't really contribute anything original, just smart remarks and arguments.

I think you're in the wrong trying to twist the argument into something its not at this point. I don't wish you to be banned but you know where I stand on your stupid shit posting such as the pics. You're a fine person albeit a bit of a f'd up sexual being. Ty is the sarcastic asshole. Once he is given the boot, someone else will be accused of filling that role (probably RG) and they'll be given the boot themselves over time. Do you agree with this assessment of the social behavior of an unmoderated forum such as this one?

Why do you constantly mention people getting banned? I don't think anyone is getting banned.

I get the feeling there might be some self-banning....at least for awhile.

[Deputy Nutz]

P.S. Congratulations on breaking Partial so easily. It makes painting us all with the same brush a lot easier doesn't it?

Shut up, you're ignoring the stupid shit you pull and instead try to put the blame on him. The difference between you and me is I don't pull stupid shit.

Ziggy, I was just driving home and was thinking about what a stupid comment you made. Concrete facts? This is football, a game of bounces and luck, not fricking algebra. You can throw for 400 yards and look like crap much of the game in football. You can run the ball, stop the run, and still get beat. Lots of craziness. I acknowledge facts like statistics, but I'm also smart enough to recognize that they are basically meaningless and paint an extremely small portion of the picture...

Falco, TD, not too fun being ripped on when you're not even part of the topic, hey? Get ready, once Admin gets rid of us I would say you guys will be next on the list.

Oh good lord, man. Clam the fuck down and stop proving his point. Have a little clarity for once in your life and stop saying whatever you think will save your own ass. Admin made a point of lumping three people together. He probably feels all clever like the masked pervert in the SAW movies right now. You've just accepted the role of the first person to blow their own head off because you thought you could escape by fucking everyone else and running out the front door.

Nah nah nah.. You've turned this into a website chatter and barking up a tree about Google ranking instead of attacking the meat of the issue.

Admin claims we stir shit up. I claim that he's full of it, and once we're gone there are just going to be the next set of people blamed for the imperfections of the forum. I listed who I think will be whipping boys. RG and Nutz will be because they aren't complete homers. TD and Falco don't really contribute anything original, just smart remarks and arguments.

I think you're in the wrong trying to twist the argument into something its not at this point. I don't wish you to be banned but you know where I stand on your stupid shit posting such as the pics. You're a fine person albeit a bit of a f'd up sexual being. Ty is the sarcastic asshole. Once he is given the boot, someone else will be accused of filling that role (probably RG) and they'll be given the boot themselves over time. Do you agree with this assessment of the social behavior of an unmoderated forum such as this one?

Why do you constantly mention people getting banned? I don't think anyone is getting banned.

I get the feeling there might be some self-banning....at least for awhile.

I just watched a Shakira Video so I will be doing some self pleasuring in 3 minutes.

[Partial]

Admin has basically told me that me and Ty are on the way out. He said we're on extremely thin ice and will be gone soon.

He said I should contribute in a positive manner. I feel that I do. I post my opinions and contribute to football discussions more than most people here do. Not my problem that not everyone agrees with them. I've asked him to provide instances of these negative posts and/or violations of the rules without being antagonized and he has yet to provide any evidence of such a thing.

He said when people gave me shit, to ignore it and he'd take care of it. Well, he has not.

After people were all up in your nutsack last week I told him it was bullshit and that if its not me, it's somebody else and with the shit you were taking that basically proved my point.

We were some of the originals who made this forum what it is and I guess if you don't see everything through rose colored glasses the admin thinks we're not contributing in a positive manner. It's dumb.

[ThunderDan]

Admin claims we stir shit up. I claim that he's full of it, and once we're gone there are just going to be the next set of people blamed for the imperfections of the forum. I listed who I think will be whipping boys. RG and Nutz will be because they aren't complete homers. TD and Falco don't really contribute anything original, just smart remarks and arguments.



This from the kid who brings up pressures and hurries but won't look up the numbers to support his position and goes "SWISH."

Because you posted elite sack numbers and proved my point.... If the sack numbers are already elite, clearly they're getting to the QB... When a guy doesn't have a lot of sacks you look at pressures and hurries to justify whether they're making an impact or not. Sacks are impact plays. Ipso facto, you proved my point and I don't need to do any further research. I was inquiring merely out of curiosity.

Can you not comprehend English?

I said Merriman was elite in 2005, 2006 (roid year) and 2007. Post injury he looks like poop. You want to give the farm for a guy who hasn't proved he can play like he did during his "banned substance" period coming off of an injury.

[MJZiggy]

Ziggy, I was just driving home and was thinking about what a stupid comment you made. Concrete facts? This is football, a game of bounces and luck, not fricking algebra. You can throw for 400 yards and look like crap much of the game in football. You can run the ball, stop the run, and still get beat. Lots of craziness. I acknowledge facts like statistics, but I'm also smart enough to recognize that they are basically meaningless and paint an extremely small portion of the picture...



It's geometry. With a little bit of war thrown in.

[Freak Out]

That has to be the first Solomon Grundy reference ever used here at PRs.

[Partial]

Admin claims we stir shit up. I claim that he's full of it, and once we're gone there are just going to be the next set of people blamed for the imperfections of the forum. I listed who I think will be whipping boys. RG and Nutz will be because they aren't complete homers. TD and Falco don't really contribute anything original, just smart remarks and arguments.



This from the kid who brings up pressures and hurries but won't look up the numbers to support his position and goes "SWISH."

Because you posted elite sack numbers and proved my point.... If the sack numbers are already elite, clearly they're getting to the QB... When a guy doesn't have a lot of sacks you look at pressures and hurries to justify whether they're making an impact or not. Sacks are impact plays. Ipso facto, you proved my point and I don't need to do any further research. I was inquiring merely out of curiosity.

Can you not comprehend English?

I said Merriman was elite in 2005, 2006 (roid year) and 2007. Post injury he looks like poop. You want to give the farm for a guy who hasn't proved he can play like he did during his "banned substance" period coming off of an injury.

Post injury? It's 4 GD weeks. It's a two year injury. Get over yourself.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't know if he did roids or not, I know that he was a beast for 3 years before his injury derailed his fourth year during PS. He passed 19 of 20 random tests so it's not like he was doing roids throughout 2005, 2006, or 2007 if that was even the case. I suspect he got a bad supp like the Williams boys. That stuff is regulated loosely at best in America. Take whey for example. Whey concentrate has so much random shit in it its digusting.

That said, every year he has been healthy, he has been elite. Pretty tough to deny. I don't know why you're arguing when we're largely in agreement. The difference is I recognize its a two year injury and think he'll be elite again. From the sounds of it you do not.

Note that SD has basically fallen apart without him despite a very good QB, RB, etc.

[Scott Campbell]

http://www.medicstravel.co.uk/CountryHospitals/Maps/switzerland-map.gif

[MJZiggy]

http://www.medicstravel.co.uk/CountryHospitals/Maps/switzerland-map.gif

Haha, nice try, but I don't think so.

[retailguy]

You've just accepted the role of the first person to blow their own head off because you thought you could escape by fucking everyone else and running out the front door.

This is an incredibly poignant analogy.

Simmer down asshat.

It takes a quick wit to be this funny. Well done, Howard.

[falco]

You've just accepted the role of the first person to blow their own head off because you thought you could escape by fucking everyone else and running out the front door.

This is an incredibly poignant analogy.

Simmer down asshat.

It takes a quick wit to be this funny. Well done, Howard.

You're still here? :?:

[retailguy]

I listed who I think will be whipping boys. RG and Nutz will be because they aren't complete homers.

Ty is the sarcastic asshole. Once he is given the boot, someone else will be accused of filling that role (probably RG) and they'll be given the boot themselves over time.


I'm not going to fill this role. I'm really making an effort to stay out of the bullshit. It isn't my deal any longer.

Yes, I've got a sarcastic side to my personality, and those who have met me should be able to attest to the fact that it is genuine, but Partial, you're making a mountain out of a molehill here. Sincerely.

This is all much ado about nothing. You guys jumped Joe's shit about lack of a home page, and not being in the search rankings. sincerely? that's what is really important?

How many folks are missing right now? What happened to them? How many folks have taken breaks because of the shit going on? Where is joemailman? Where is PiP? Where is guerski? Where is GBM? Where is favrechild? How many folks have I forgotten?

Partial, do you want to be part of the solution, or the problem? Me? I just want to talk football and read funny shit.

This constant bitching gets old. No one is ever to blame. I experienced the same thing when i was a mod. I'm done with that crap. Joe can have it.

[retailguy]

You've just accepted the role of the first person to blow their own head off because you thought you could escape by fucking everyone else and running out the front door.

This is an incredibly poignant analogy.

Simmer down asshat.

It takes a quick wit to be this funny. Well done, Howard.

You're still here? :?:

yeah, why, I have no idea. Apparently I can duck and cover faster than the average whiner? How you doing, asshat? Ever think about being the asshat rat? Hey that rhymes. :wink:

[retailguy]

does all this mean that the perkins trip is off?

[gex]

:drma: :drma: :drma:

[falco]

yeah, why, I have no idea. Apparently I can duck and cover faster than the average whiner? How you doing, asshat? Ever think about being the asshat rat? Hey that rhymes. :wink:

hmmm... I like the sound of that.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Your silent censoring speaks volumes, but an explanation as to how any of your actions have helped grow, or even maintain, this site, would be a better read. I'm off to welcome our 12th new member who braved the Bermuda Triangle to get here since our meta tags were removed from the broken homepage. Not saying you don't want anyone finding the site anymore... Just that's exactly how someone who didn't want anyone to know a website existed anymore would go about doing it. But, hey, it's your show. I'm just a player.This is bullshit. What exactly do YOU do? As least this guy was willing to take on this shithole. Nice how you spit in his face for doing so. Typical big talk from a little man. Maybe offer to make the index page for him since your so badass at it. You already said you dont work anyways. Sure you can skip one anime cartoon during the day.

Joe, fuck this guy he will be a pain in the ass no matter what you do.

Madtown, I do appreciate the advice. Yes, I've noticed. Lots of people in the world that behave as long as they get their way, but bitch and moan when things go the other way. Not much you can do.

Skinbasket, I know that you think you've got this all figured out, but you really don't. I have a plan for what I'm doing here, and it will work. Having a little difficulty getting out the gate, but it will work when I do.

I don't owe you, or anyone else for that matter, an explanation. You don't owe me anything, except behaving while you're here...

I've asked for help on a couple of occasions. The first time, my thread was trashed with a bunch of bullshit. The second time, I was reminded that "you don't work for free". Heard you buddy, and I'm plunking some money down, but am going with somebody that I can trust.

Finally, Scott, I agree with what you said. I don't want to see this place without anybody. In fact, it would be my preference to bring those back that we've bid farewell to. But life doesn't work that way.

I called out 3 folks that I believe can't behave. My goal was to illustrate a point with real world examples of what I'm seeing, and what I'm hearing from members who don't post much here any longer. I got a PM, not long ago, from a member who won't let his pre-teen son read these forums because Skin can't behave. And I'm not talking about the garbage can. I'm talking about black hookers, and road trips among other things. Last time I checked pre-teen boys can read.

I get more PM complaints about Tyrone than every single other forum member combined. He frequently cites things from other sites, but couldn't give link credit for the idea if his life depended on it. He argues about anything, with anybody, at anytime and must have the last word. Partial has the uncanny ability to start a war in a thread about Kum Bay Ya. Then, when the war is raging, he gets pissed off about "unfairness" and blasts the entire forum with out of context quotes. He also has the recent past PM title for most complaints. That's reality.

Yet, none of them even accepted anything resembling responsibility. All basically said "fuck you", and then gave a litany of reasons why it couldn't be true and I'm mistaken. I heard the message loud and clear.

Dude,

I wasn't involved in this thread, i didn't call you out...yet, you feel the need to get my name involved. Why? You simply could have talked in general about things. There was no need to bring me up when Skin was challenging you. Especially since his issue was the front page....which you then deflected to a discussion about content and posters. A simple talk to him about HIS content woulda sufficed, and you could have talked in general about other posters.

What is the net effect of doing that? Either your goal is to humiliate us in public...so cool. Or, it is to further allow the forum to gang up on certain members. Cool.

As for responsibility. That is complete and utter BS. I take responsibility when i see it or understand the issue. If i don't, then i can't. And, i have never said "fuck you" or implied it. I have written you several times, and RARELY get a response. You want to talk about responsibility...how is that showing any?

The simple fact is that your determinations are capricious and arbitrary. You have Snake running wild, swearing at people...calling people out....DAILY. Yet, you did nothing. Your response was basically..."you deserve it." That is ludicrous. Yes, i'm sure that two wrongs make a right. Who taught you that.

Not to mention his posts were so far over the line that most people, not preteens would be shocked. And, when did this site become reading material for preteens. If that is what you want, STATE IT. This site has always been for adults.

You allow certain posters much more leeway than others. You clearly have favorites and that is your right. But, stop pretending that you are fair. You aren't. You make pronouncements and then don't follow thru.....no political shit in the packer area...boom, there is sheep with a heisman post about obama...not even a week after you lectured about that. No comment about it from you. I write "lord favre" and i get a comment/question. I see, directly breaking your rules...no comment. Writing "lord favre" demands your attention. Sheep puts in a political comment in the FYI thread about getting flu shot...no comment from you.

You want a better forum? Take some ownership of the problems. You do know that some posters have left because of your HEAVY HAND. Fuck, there was even a post about it.

Or, taking responsibility for a poster who isn't posting here because of harassment. Or was that not your responsibility either?

You want me to behave better? How about eliminating personal attacks on me and others. Naw, that couldn't contribute the nature of my posts, now could it. No, Retail stalking posts and making snide comments about me...no, that couldn't in any way, shape or form effect my posts.

You want a better forum? How about modding? How about eliminating duplicate threads in a timely fashion. How about getting a basic fucking LINK on the homepage.

You want a better forum. You want us to respect you and help you out, since there are many of us with skills and abilities that you could us...then how about dropping the ultra mysterious "just call me joe" bs. Who the fuck does that kind of shit?

You don't have to fix the homepage. You don't have to mod. You don't have to share your plans for the future. You don't have to explain why the homepage has been down for 5 months. This is your forum. Do as you please.

But you treat it like a slumlord. And then, you complain about the type of tenants you get.

If you can't be bothered, why would we?

[pasquale]

Either your goal is to humiliate us in public...so cool.

I think some people take care of this by themselves.

[pasquale]

But you treat it like a slumlord. And then, you complain about the type of tenants you get.

QFT

Sorry Admin, but I think once there is sign of upgrades and/or change around here (whatever that may be), you might not want to expect the same thing in return. Ty has a point.

[MichiganPackerFan]

What three are you going to blame next when we're gone? Banning us is a band-aid for a bullet wound. If I had to guess next up would be Nutz definitely, RG skates a fine line often, and either SC or Harlan.

I still don't understand how I'm the problem. I don't personally attack nor do I fuel flame wars. At least certainly not to the extent that the other posters are allowed to get away with.

You're essentially giving the nerd detention because all the bullies pick on him. Think about how idiotic that is.

For what its worth, I agree with you that Skin posts stupid shit and Ty is kind of a prick. That said, I'm a nice guy. Don't lump me in with those two.

Preteens shouldn't be reading this forum. When you register it says you have to be 13 or older.

As a neutral party who compulsively looks to find the best in everyone and focus on that, I would like to point out that regardless of alleged or actual past crimes (or anything that's been posted since yesterday afternoon that I haven't read yet), I've noticed that Partial's posts have been a lot more civil over the past couple weeks. And so what if not everything is backed up with concrete stats. Being a fan is as much about having passionate opinions about your team as it is being able to identify and analyze trends. There's no wrong here, just differences that deserve tolerance on all sides. If someone states something, its an opinion and if they cite from a reliable source itsfact. Both have an equal right to be here.

[MichiganPackerFan]

You've just accepted the role of the first person to blow their own head off because you thought you could escape by fucking everyone else and running out the front door.

This is an incredibly poignant analogy.

Simmer down asshat.

It takes a quick wit to be this funny. Well done, Howard.

You're still here? :?:

yeah, why, I have no idea. Apparently I can duck and cover faster than the average whiner? How you doing, asshat? Ever think about being the asshat rat? Hey that rhymes. :wink:

First off, the simmer down comment was priceless!!

Second, I've been brainstorming for a good Rat name and just haven't come up with the fitting one. Total writers' (ummm, what's the word again? oh yeah:) block. Taking Rat Name suggestions, witty, insulting, whatever...

[SkinBasket]

This is all much ado about nothing. You guys jumped Joe's shit about lack of a home page, and not being in the search rankings. sincerely? that's what is really important?

When the site owner is blaming certain posters for the lack of new members, yeah, it kind of is important. How do you propose people find this site? ESP? Hire bums to pass out fliers on the strip?

Honestly, I want to know how you expect anyone to find this site. If no one's finding the site, how the hell do you expect anyone to sign up to be a new member?

The posters that Admin chose to attack have been a constant, for better or worse. It seems pretty goddamn obvious to me that pretty much exactly 3 months after the meta tags were removed from the homepage and the title changed to "offline," which would be when the old indexing would expire and any kind of listing in any search engine would disappear, new member registration plummeted exactly at the time it should have been increasing with preseason football starting.

The fact that the homepage tells people to click to enter and nothing happens just kind of adds icing on the cake. How many regulars did we have disappear for a time before showing up and describing the same experience of thinking the website was down until they searched for the name of the forum and discovered that indeed, we still existed? How many disappeared for good? These were people who knew the site existed. I doubt others put as much effort into finding the forum.

So really, when the owner of the site calls me out as a reason that new members aren't signing up, I guess all I can do is make my case of why maybe that isn't true. What you believe is up to you.

[GrnBay007]

First off, the simmer down comment was priceless!!



It was. That was an LOL!!

[Zool]

http://www.fromoldbooks.org/Tymms-Illuminating/pages/65-Fourteenth-century-23-01-letterO/65-Fourteenth-century-23-01-letterO-q85-398x330.jpg
Penis

[Partial]

What three are you going to blame next when we're gone? Banning us is a band-aid for a bullet wound. If I had to guess next up would be Nutz definitely, RG skates a fine line often, and either SC or Harlan.

I still don't understand how I'm the problem. I don't personally attack nor do I fuel flame wars. At least certainly not to the extent that the other posters are allowed to get away with.

You're essentially giving the nerd detention because all the bullies pick on him. Think about how idiotic that is.

For what its worth, I agree with you that Skin posts stupid shit and Ty is kind of a prick. That said, I'm a nice guy. Don't lump me in with those two.

Preteens shouldn't be reading this forum. When you register it says you have to be 13 or older.

As a neutral party who compulsively looks to find the best in everyone and focus on that, I would like to point out that regardless of alleged or actual past crimes (or anything that's been posted since yesterday afternoon that I haven't read yet), I've noticed that Partial's posts have been a lot more civil over the past couple weeks. And so what if not everything is backed up with concrete stats. Being a fan is as much about having passionate opinions about your team as it is being able to identify and analyze trends. There's no wrong here, just differences that deserve tolerance on all sides. If someone states something, its an opinion and if they cite from a reliable source itsfact. Both have an equal right to be here.

Thank you, I appreciate it!

[SkinBasket]

http://www.fromoldbooks.org/Tymms-Illuminating/pages/65-Fourteenth-century-23-01-letterO/65-Fourteenth-century-23-01-letterO-q85-398x330.jpg
Penis

Reminds me of this guy I know who liked to tell people to get on their knees and smile like a doughnut. Nicest, most non sexually aggressive person you could ever meet, but god did he love that phrase.

[CaptainKickass]

Wow.

I sure am glad that I do not take posting on an internet forum as seriously and/or personally as some.

Sure there's some crap to weed through from time to time but.....All things being equal - this place is still light years better than JSO was back in the day.

[Partial]

I think Ty is right on the money with his post.


Few things about search engines:

#1 thing when it comes to SEO is page title. Don't worry about the meta tags yet. They won't do a lick of good until naming conventions and URLs are changed.

1. Page title
a. Packerrats (one word) has little affiliation with Packers, and thus searching for Green Bay Packers message boards, etc won't yield good results
b. Does not contain the word forum. Instead of having it be Green Bay Packers, it needs to be Green Bay Packers Forum.
Take note of the URLs, specifically.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=packer+forum&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g1


Until changes are made, it is completely unreasonable to expect this page to show up on page 1 of Google for Packer Forum. Right now we're on page 4.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=packer+forum&start=30&sa=N

I offered my services free of charge to the admin. He's not going to be able to find a reasonably skilled guy for less than 30 bucks an hour off craigslist or getafreelancer.com I know a few guys who would be chomping at the bit to get some real world experience with mysql, some sort of CMS or word press and phpbb 3. They'd probably even do it fo' free because getting a social network on their resume is worth more than the time spent working on it.

[Scott Campbell]

Sounds good, but would we need an iPhone to access the forum?

[Charles Woodson]

just going to throw it out their and blame the reason this place went down the shits solely on Partial and his inability to understand two sides of an argument.

Admin- If you want to fix the problem, you have to start at the source which is him.

[Partial]

just going to throw it out their and blame the reason this place went down the shits solely on Partial and his inability to understand two sides of an argument.

Admin- If you want to fix the problem, you have to start at the source which is him.

This is the single funniest post I have ever seen here because you're completely serious. The irony is hysterical.

[SkinBasket]

We don't need the admin, or any other members, piling on posters to paint them as the reason this place is about as lively as a hospital bathroom. Especially when it's done in a non-constructive, redundant, or hypocritical manner. Partial's been a pain in the ass for years. I doubt people stopped registering because of him now.

[MJZiggy]

does all this mean that the perkins trip is off?

Well I don't know about you, but I'm still up for heading toward Richmond if MPF (and Mrs. MPF if she's up for it) want to go...you gonna fly out and join us? (In case there happens to be a Perkins along the way?)

[retailguy]

does all this mean that the perkins trip is off?

Well I don't know about you, but I'm still up for heading toward Richmond if MPF (and Mrs. MPF if she's up for it) want to go...you gonna fly out and join us? (In case there happens to be a Perkins along the way?)

Well, that's the best offer I've had in a long time. I find it difficult to pry myself away from this riveting discussion though.

Admin calling folks out, folks refusing to take any responsibility at all for their actions, and belittling folks who say that it may be true. Real drama. Better than all that crummy Favre talk, that's for sure!

The best part for me though is Skinbasket acting all concerned about whether or not we've got the right meta tags. Anyone who has been here knows that he couldn't care less whether this place grows or not, it just deflected the discussion, that's all.

So, I guess I'll pass... Besides the strip search for a one day ticket, Perkins just isn't a draw unless I can see the antics in the parking lot. You and MPF probably won't offer the great display that Skin, Nutz and Partial will. So, I'll wait.. :D

[Bretsky]

I'd second the view that Partial has become a better and more civil poster in the past few weeks. I'm that guy nobody agrees with. I pretty much like everybody bickering in this thread and at the same time think Joe is doing a good job and the favoritism stuff he sometimes gets accused of is a load of bunk. I also think it's fine to restrict political messages ie signatures in any way he chooses to.

[MichiganPackerFan]

does all this mean that the perkins trip is off?

Well I don't know about you, but I'm still up for heading toward Richmond if MPF (and Mrs. MPF if she's up for it) want to go...you gonna fly out and join us? (In case there happens to be a Perkins along the way?)

I could have used some perkins this "morning" do deal with my Tax Season Completion hangover...

[Freak Out]

Here's Woody with Ty in the barn somewhere in the Maritimes.....

http://www.wherelightmeetsdark.com/images/newswatch/Blinky_the_two_headed_calf.jpg

[Partial]

LOL, The Admin is such a joke. Mazzin shows up for her occasional post and slams Ty, while the Admin encourages it. This guy is a tool.

[Administrator]

LOL, The Admin is such a joke. Mazzin shows up for her occasional post and slams Ty, while the Admin encourages it. This guy is a tool.

I didn't encourage it, I said I understood it. Learn to read.

[Partial]

LOL, The Admin is such a joke. Mazzin shows up for her occasional post and slams Ty, while the Admin encourages it. This guy is a tool.

I didn't encourage it, I said I understood it. Learn to read.

She called him an attention starved clown, a personal attack that was completely uncalled for -- yet you allowed this to happen, and by sticking up for Mazzin and blaming Ty, you're encouraging that behavior.

Then, you essentially took a shot at him by saying his fan club is small, aka insulting him and calling him a loser.

You can spin it however you want, you did not discipline her and took a cheap shot yourself. I thought you wanted to clean up the Packer forum and run a tight ship? This goes against the very words you say.

Clearly you agree with me and feel guilty about it otherwise why would you feel the need to respond to this post after ignoring all the other recent posts in this thread. Seems to me like I struck a cord.

[falco]

Partial is outraged by everybody's behavior except his own.

[Partial]

Partial is outraged by everybody's behavior except his own.

Fallacy.

[SkinBasket]

The best part for me though is Skinbasket acting all concerned about whether or not we've got the right meta tags. Anyone who has been here knows that he couldn't care less whether this place grows or not, it just deflected the discussion, that's all.

You can go fuck yourself right in the asshole you self righteous piece of shit. I care more about the people on this site more than you care to understand with your holier than thou bullshit.

You choose to believe what you will. But don't fucking try to sit in judgment of me or my intentions you fucking hack. You want to make accusations like this. Then back them up. Otherwise go fuck yourself.

Interesting Admin still won't back up any of his personal attacks either. You're both cut from the same cloth: cowards.

[SkinBasket]

And the question still remains Mr. Internet Expert. How do you think people will find this website? Much less register? Answer the question knowing that God is watching you.

[retailguy]

The best part for me though is Skinbasket acting all concerned about whether or not we've got the right meta tags. Anyone who has been here knows that he couldn't care less whether this place grows or not, it just deflected the discussion, that's all.

You can go fuck yourself right in the asshole you self righteous piece of shit. I care more about the people on this site more than you care to understand with your holier than thou bullshit.

You choose to believe what you will. But don't fucking try to sit in judgment of me or my intentions you fucking hack. You want to make accusations like this. Then back them up. Otherwise go fuck yourself.

Interesting Admin still won't back up any of his personal attacks either. You're both cut from the same cloth: cowards.

sit in judgment of you? what? you've come unglued. I said you didn't care about this forum. I believe that to be true. but the rest of this drivel? take a midol... :roll:

[Deputy Nutz]

The best part for me though is Skinbasket acting all concerned about whether or not we've got the right meta tags. Anyone who has been here knows that he couldn't care less whether this place grows or not, it just deflected the discussion, that's all.

You can go fuck yourself right in the asshole you self righteous piece of shit. I care more about the people on this site more than you care to understand with your holier than thou bullshit.

You choose to believe what you will. But don't fucking try to sit in judgment of me or my intentions you fucking hack. You want to make accusations like this. Then back them up. Otherwise go fuck yourself.

Interesting Admin still won't back up any of his personal attacks either. You're both cut from the same cloth: cowards.

sit in judgment of you? what? you've come unglued. I said you didn't care about this forum. I believe that to be true. but the rest of this drivel? take a midol... :roll:

I don't want to give away any of Skin's secrets but if he posts on here after 7:00pm his is usually drunk.

[retailguy]

The best part for me though is Skinbasket acting all concerned about whether or not we've got the right meta tags. Anyone who has been here knows that he couldn't care less whether this place grows or not, it just deflected the discussion, that's all.

You can go fuck yourself right in the asshole you self righteous piece of shit. I care more about the people on this site more than you care to understand with your holier than thou bullshit.

You choose to believe what you will. But don't fucking try to sit in judgment of me or my intentions you fucking hack. You want to make accusations like this. Then back them up. Otherwise go fuck yourself.

Interesting Admin still won't back up any of his personal attacks either. You're both cut from the same cloth: cowards.

sit in judgment of you? what? you've come unglued. I said you didn't care about this forum. I believe that to be true. but the rest of this drivel? take a midol... :roll:

I don't want to give away any of Skin's secrets but if he posts on here after 7:00pm his is usually drunk.

maybe that's it then. I don't know where that post came from, but whatever. How I got to be a "coward" I'll never understand. could you go put him to bed before he hurts himself? :wink:

[Partial]

I'm bowing out of this. I feel like the point has been missed.

[Freak Out]

Hugs not thugs.

[Partial]

Hugs not thugs.

You know it.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

LOL, The Admin is such a joke. Mazzin shows up for her occasional post and slams Ty, while the Admin encourages it. This guy is a tool.

I didn't encourage it, I said I understood it. Learn to read.

9 days later she decides to comment on a thread that has LONG since devolved from its initial meaning. Posted in the context of FIRE MM threads and sentiments.

Yeah, completely understandable. What a freaking joke.

Find one post of mine where i've EVER responded to or said one thing to Mazzin. You won't.

[SkinBasket]

I'm bowing out of this. I feel like the point has been missed.

Of course the point has been missed, because the people interesting in making accusations aren't interested in answering any of the questions that expose them as being entirely full of shit. Just like they aren't interested in accepting any accountability for engaging in the very actions they're deriding in others.

I guess the only thing that's for sure is that our glorious leader, the esteemed and unerring Mr. Barack Obama, is not to be visually referenced in a negative way in signatures. Nor is the six fingered man.

Oh well, this "rule" only cost us one of our best posters. A small price to pay for the possibility of maybe not politically offending any of the 3 or 4 new people who might happen by the football forum this month.

[falco]

Oh well, this "rule" only cost us one of our best posters.

What do you mean??? I'm still here!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Oh well, this "rule" only cost us one of our best posters.

Who left? Rand?

[MJZiggy]

Yes, but Cleft is still lurking.

[Mazzin]

LOL, The Admin is such a joke. Mazzin shows up for her occasional post and slams Ty, while the Admin encourages it. This guy is a tool.

I didn't encourage it, I said I understood it. Learn to read.

9 days later she decides to comment on a thread that has LONG since devolved from its initial meaning. Posted in the context of FIRE MM threads and sentiments.

Yeah, completely understandable. What a freaking joke.

Find one post of mine where i've EVER responded to or said one thing to Mazzin. You won't.

Its because all I do is lurk, BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU! And Partial isn't even deserving of a comment, that fat little peice of self centered SHIT! That man is a bum, and the saddest thing about that bum is he thinks people actually care aobut him or what he says... i WISH there was an ignore option on here.

But Ty I lurk, and I just see you CONSTANTLY being the "expert" on WHATEVER anyone is talking about...that shit is obnoxious and annoying....And I'll admit when it was at jso i was 18 So yea i was an immature GIRL, and im STILL growing up...at least I can admit that.

And madtown thanks for telling me skin doesn't even have a job....that classic, no wonder he is such a douche, nothing better to do. I mean look at your avatar its a cock and balls, that drives members.

Joes done nothing but help this site, which is may be slow but you dont know what he has been trying to do or how ultimate plan.

And he wants to take away your guys signatures, and you get all outraged. Think of it like this, this is a job, and he is the BOSS (which he is the boss) and your boss tells you to do something, do you piss and moan and tell him why you WONT DO IT? FUCK NO you just do it and shut the fuck up and be happy you are allowed to keep your job. (sorry skin i know your 350lbs ass dont know nothing about a JOB)

[MJZiggy]

Mazzin, while I know that Skin will be along to tear your head off himself in short order, you might want to consider that he is not so much unemployed, but is a stay-at-home-parent. You might want to try that for awhile before you make assumptions about it. I've been home and now work full time as a single parent, and I can tell you this is easier.

[Mazzin]

Im a 2nd grade teacher that can DEFFINATLY understand how being at home with your kids all day can be ROUGH, and you may not get to do what you want.

But Ziggy answer me this...would you let him watch YOUR kids....its gotta be a TERRIBLE environment for those poor childeren, he is CONSTANTLY posting homosexual pictures. so HONESTLY would you let him watch your kids???

[Tyrone Bigguns]

LOL, The Admin is such a joke. Mazzin shows up for her occasional post and slams Ty, while the Admin encourages it. This guy is a tool.

I didn't encourage it, I said I understood it. Learn to read.

9 days later she decides to comment on a thread that has LONG since devolved from its initial meaning. Posted in the context of FIRE MM threads and sentiments.

Yeah, completely understandable. What a freaking joke.

Find one post of mine where i've EVER responded to or said one thing to Mazzin. You won't.

Its because all I do is lurk, BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU! And Partial isn't even deserving of a comment, that fat little peice of self centered SHIT! That man is a bum, and the saddest thing about that bum is he thinks people actually care aobut him or what he says... i WISH there was an ignore option on here.

But Ty I lurk, and I just see you CONSTANTLY being the "expert" on WHATEVER anyone is talking about...that shit is obnoxious and annoying....And I'll admit when it was at jso i was 18 So yea i was an immature GIRL, and im STILL growing up...at least I can admit that.

And madtown thanks for telling me skin doesn't even have a job....that classic, no wonder he is such a douche, nothing better to do. I mean look at your avatar its a cock and balls, that drives members.

Joes done nothing but help this site, which is may be slow but you dont know what he has been trying to do or how ultimate plan.

And he wants to take away your guys signatures, and you get all outraged. Think of it like this, this is a job, and he is the BOSS (which he is the boss) and your boss tells you to do something, do you piss and moan and tell him why you WONT DO IT? FUCK NO you just do it and shut the fuck up and be happy you are allowed to keep your job. (sorry skin i know your 350lbs ass dont know nothing about a JOB)

Why do you feel the need to respond to a post not directed to you.

[Mazzin]

why dont you pm me so we dont get into it on the forum.

[Mazzin]

So ty you've NEVER posted a reply to someone or about something that wasn't directed at you? Come on now, use your head.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

why dont you pm me so we dont get into it on the forum.

No thanks. Nice of you to suggest that, after you've already been an ass.

[Mazzin]

Alright, I just can't stand your "know it all + I'm better than you are" attitude. I bet you are a very lonely person sir.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

So ty you've NEVER posted a reply to someone or about something that wasn't directed at you? Come on now, use your head.

I don't post a diatribe. Nor do i go on to attack other posters.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Alright, I just can't stand your "know it all + I'm better than you are" attitude. I bet you are a very lonely person sir.

Do you realize how dumb you sound?

[Mazzin]

well, you couldn't be any more of an obnoxious ASSHOLE even if you did, you bum.

[MJZiggy]

Im a 2nd grade teacher that can DEFFINATLY understand how being at home with your kids all day can be ROUGH, and you may not get to do what you want.

But Ziggy answer me this...would you let him watch YOUR kids....its gotta be a TERRIBLE environment for those poor childeren, he is CONSTANTLY posting homosexual pictures. so HONESTLY would you let him watch your kids???

Are you telling me you honestly believe he a) shows his kids what he posts and b) isn't smart enough to know what a proper environment for kids might be? You think the way someone posts on a forum is necessarily the way they are at home with their kids? We're not talking about whether he's qualified to watch MY kids, or even his own for that matter. He is, however qualified to post on an internet forum, even if it pisses you off. I could care less about his avatar, which is a double entendre by the way if you bother to look at it objectively and the only place he puts the pics is in the GC. Sorry, but anything goes in there. He tries to get away with less obvious jabs in here because it pisses you off. I'm not a fan of complaining about the forum, but he actually makes a valid point about the homepage. Had Joe just left the old homepage up until the new one was done, we might not have this issue or be having this discussion, but that's not my call to make.

I've met Skin. Yes he's done some things that have annoyed me along the way, but he's about the most creative person in here and probably more sane than most of us as well. Sorry, Skin, but it had to be said.

[Mazzin]

So the answer is, no he couldn't watch your kids or yes?


I know he probably doesn't show it to his kids, but for you to think its totally NORMAL for a MAN to photoshop pictures of penis' or just gross shots of naked men, THATS whats weird to me, that you think that is acceptable.

And I would hope you wouldn't leave your kids around a perv like him. Its sad he even has kids.

[Freak Out]

LOL, The Admin is such a joke. Mazzin shows up for her occasional post and slams Ty, while the Admin encourages it. This guy is a tool.

I didn't encourage it, I said I understood it. Learn to read.

9 days later she decides to comment on a thread that has LONG since devolved from its initial meaning. Posted in the context of FIRE MM threads and sentiments.

Yeah, completely understandable. What a freaking joke.

Find one post of mine where i've EVER responded to or said one thing to Mazzin. You won't.

Its because all I do is lurk, BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU! And Partial isn't even deserving of a comment, that fat little peice of self centered SHIT! That man is a bum, and the saddest thing about that bum is he thinks people actually care aobut him or what he says... i WISH there was an ignore option on here.

But Ty I lurk, and I just see you CONSTANTLY being the "expert" on WHATEVER anyone is talking about...that shit is obnoxious and annoying....And I'll admit when it was at jso i was 18 So yea i was an immature GIRL, and im STILL growing up...at least I can admit that.

And madtown thanks for telling me skin doesn't even have a job....that classic, no wonder he is such a douche, nothing better to do. I mean look at your avatar its a cock and balls, that drives members.

Joes done nothing but help this site, which is may be slow but you dont know what he has been trying to do or how ultimate plan.

And he wants to take away your guys signatures, and you get all outraged. Think of it like this, this is a job, and he is the BOSS (which he is the boss) and your boss tells you to do something, do you piss and moan and tell him why you WONT DO IT? FUCK NO you just do it and shut the fuck up and be happy you are allowed to keep your job. (sorry skin i know your 350lbs ass dont know nothing about a JOB)

This is the comment of a second grade teacher?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

well, you couldn't be any more of an obnoxious ASSHOLE even if you did, you bum.

And, your posts are different than mine how?

[MJZiggy]

Quite easy to go off and sit in judgment isn't it? Your issue with Skin was that he was worthless because he didn't have a job. Then you want to worry about whether he can watch my kids. I'll tell you this. If he were to babysit around here I can see Pokemon played, Anime watched and the finer points of rhetorical argument being discussed (possibly with a little bit of photoediting and art tossed in). What are you going to teach? How to curse on an internet forum because that's all I see you do. I see no rhetorical skills whatsoever or any reasoning ability at all. I know without question that Skin could keep up with my kid mentally. You I'm not so sure about.

[HowardRoark]

So the answer is, no he couldn't watch your kids or yes?


I know he probably doesn't show it to his kids, but for you to think its totally NORMAL for a MAN to photoshop pictures of penis' or just gross shots of naked men, THATS whats weird to me, that you think that is acceptable.

And I would hope you wouldn't leave your kids around a perv like him. Its sad he even has kids.

I remember (I am too lazy to research it), that one of you who met him after the PackerRats game said you would (in light of the fact you thought he was a good person) let him watch your kids. I think it could have been you Ziggy?

[MJZiggy]

So the answer is, no he couldn't watch your kids or yes?


I know he probably doesn't show it to his kids, but for you to think its totally NORMAL for a MAN to photoshop pictures of penis' or just gross shots of naked men, THATS whats weird to me, that you think that is acceptable.

And I would hope you wouldn't leave your kids around a perv like him. Its sad he even has kids.

I remember (I am too lazy to research it), that one of you who met him after the PackerRats game said you wopuld (in light of the fact you thought he was a good person) let him watch your kids. I think it could have been you Ziggy?

It's possible. That was a couple years ago and I don't remember the discussion.

[HowardRoark]

LOL, The Admin is such a joke. Mazzin shows up for her occasional post and slams Ty, while the Admin encourages it. This guy is a tool.

I didn't encourage it, I said I understood it. Learn to read.

9 days later she decides to comment on a thread that has LONG since devolved from its initial meaning. Posted in the context of FIRE MM threads and sentiments.

Yeah, completely understandable. What a freaking joke.

Find one post of mine where i've EVER responded to or said one thing to Mazzin. You won't.

Its because all I do is lurk, BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU! And Partial isn't even deserving of a comment, that fat little peice of self centered SHIT! That man is a bum, and the saddest thing about that bum is he thinks people actually care aobut him or what he says... i WISH there was an ignore option on here.

But Ty I lurk, and I just see you CONSTANTLY being the "expert" on WHATEVER anyone is talking about...that shit is obnoxious and annoying....And I'll admit when it was at jso i was 18 So yea i was an immature GIRL, and im STILL growing up...at least I can admit that.

And madtown thanks for telling me skin doesn't even have a job....that classic, no wonder he is such a douche, nothing better to do. I mean look at your avatar its a cock and balls, that drives members.

Joes done nothing but help this site, which is may be slow but you dont know what he has been trying to do or how ultimate plan.

And he wants to take away your guys signatures, and you get all outraged. Think of it like this, this is a job, and he is the BOSS (which he is the boss) and your boss tells you to do something, do you piss and moan and tell him why you WONT DO IT? FUCK NO you just do it and shut the fuck up and be happy you are allowed to keep your job. (sorry skin i know your 350lbs ass dont know nothing about a JOB)

Bad analogy in my opinion. We are not employees, we are the “talent”.....all of us. If all the “employees/talent” leave, there will be no forum. I suppose it could be looked at as owner/boss and employees, but it is more like a NFL team, and we are all free agents at all times.

It is a symbiotic relationship, we need each other. But in reality, the forum needs us more than we need the forum. This is not a slam on the new owner guy, just an observation on forums. Look at the old JSO, everyone scattered. Granted, it rebuilt itself, but they have a good feeder system (the newspaper). My guess is this place will not survive if the people who built it continue to leave.

[MJZiggy]

Howard makes a good point.

[falco]

wow ziggy, i'm seeing a new side of you today. grrrr!

[SkinBasket]

I'm proud of Mazzin. To go from teenage pregnancy drama queen to 2nd grade teacher must have taken a lot of work. You can certainly see the level of maturity, responsibility, and intellectual enlightenment she's attained in that journey. I'm sure those kids are in great hands. Unlike my children, who live naked in a cardboard box watching gay porn all day while I break the couch with my large buttocks and photoshop penises. Sometimes I throw hot water on them just to make sure they move a little. Get their daily exercise, you know. Don't want them growing up all retarded. And they get thirsty. Eating saltines for a few years straight does that to a kid.

[falco]

in a cardboard box watching gay porn all day while I break the couch with my large buttocks

so let me get this straight...your cardboard box has both a couch and a tv that has hookup to the gay porn channels...i'm sorry, but you have lost all credibility with me

[Zool]

in a cardboard box watching gay porn all day while I break the couch with my large buttocks

so let me get this straight...your cardboard box has both a couch and a tv that has hookup to the gay porn channels...i'm sorry, but you have lost all credibility with me


No no no the kids are in the box inside his house. He's not a fucking barbarian.

Skin sits his fat ass on the couch photo shopping penises. With that much fat on you, it must be hard to use the small keyboard on the laptop.

[falco]

to think, i wasted all that fucking money on a playpen, crib, etc and a god damn cardboard box would have sufficed...

why is it that the lessons one learns from skin are the lessons learned too late???

[Administrator]

Ok, last word on this thread.

I've let everybody vent, and I've let this thread go on far too long. The last several pages were an experiment for me to see if anyone would admit that they even have a small part of the issues in the forum. Nobody did. In fact, the denials were quite vocal. That's about what I expected.

I believe in keeping confidences. I get dozens of PM's. Have never disclosed one of them, and won't, unless I get permission from the folks PM'ing me. We had one member openly leave us in this thread, and I'm disappointed to see that. Quite honestly, if mraynrand wants to make censorship of a non football related banner on a football website as the mountain he must stand on, I guess I'll reluctantly let him do that. We'd probably lose him on something else anyhow. I kid you not that I have 2 dozen PM's of folks taking a break for various reasons related to the three folks I called out publicly in this thread. That concerns me more.

Skinbasket - I am not going to detail my plans to you. I don't owe you that. You had an opportunity to get involved in the direction of this site, in fact, I came to you first because I believed (and still do) that you are a creative genius. I've seen the artwork that you developed and was very impressed. But your terms are not appealing and the other stuff one has to put up with to have you posting here are a definite concern for me. Finally, I'm absolutely clueless what you were referring to when you told me that "God was watching". It isn't unusual that I miss your point, but on this one, you have me completely lost.

Tyrone - Your constant insistence that I'm not "being fair" is duly noted. Unfortunately I don't use your definition of "fairness". I have one of my own, and in my world, you've had multiple second chances. I have no sympathy at all for your plight and believe I have been more than fair to you.

Partial - I'm unsure why you "bowed out" of this discussion but I laud you for doing so. I do disagree as to whether or not your points have been interpreted incorrectly, though. I get what you're doing, I think pretty right on. I wish you would calm down and drop the constant arguing. I'd have liked to take advantage of your offers for help. Some I was not interested in at all, but a few had merit to me. Right now, I can't envision putting my trust in you, but I never say never.

Guys, I'm not warning any of you again. If I have to, I will deactivate accounts, but I don't take that decision lightly with folks that have the tenure that you do. Any reasonably new member would have been gone dozens of times if they had done some of the things you guys have done.

Finally, I did take the website down before the new one was ready. I didn't anticipate it would take so long for me to get things right, but it has. That's my responsibility. I'm not concerned with a bunch of new members right now, those will become important in time, but honestly, if we can't keep the membership that we have, the new ones won't stay either. We still have new members coming in, as we have a few folks who are very complimentary when discussing this site at other forums. I've read your statements, and please know that I appreciate them very much.

We have a new website and forum on the way, I'd like to give you a timeframe, but my last attempt at that didn't go very well, so just believe me when I tell you that it is important to me. Most of the "member accounts" from the offseason before I took the website down were SPAM accounts. One small benefit of the lack of a web presence is that the SPAM issues are cut down. They'll return, but right now, I'm enjoying the breather.

I'm locking the thread now as there really isn't anything else to discuss. If you have comments, please PM me. Contrary to Tyrone's claim, I do return most PM messages. Sometimes I determine that I am being "told" something and not "asked" so I might not respond, and in Tyrone's case, I can never have the last word, so everytime he PM's me, at some point I must stop, because there is always a reply. (I'm not joking). Most of his PM's have been responded to.