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woodbuck27
07-26-2006, 09:56 AM
'Sleepers' Are Worth Watching In Camp

by Mike Spofford, Packers.com
posted 07/25/2006

Aside from the games themselves, training camp is the best proving ground in the NFL.

It's when players who look dynamite running mini-camp drills in shorts can be exposed for their shortcomings. It's also when relative unknowns who have remained under the radar can begin to emerge and find their place on the team.

Longshots do make it every once in a while. Like last year, when the Packers had two non-drafted rookies in linebacker Roy Manning and offensive lineman Chris White earn spots on the 53-man roster by the end of camp. Manning went on to play in 15 games in 2005, while White was activated for one as well.

Who might be the sleepers of training camp in 2006? There's no telling for sure, but here are five guys to keep an eye on as things unfold:

Atari Bigby, safety

There's a glut of defensive backs competing for roster spots, but Bigby is one of the outsiders who improved his chances in the offseason with a strong performance in NFL Europe.

Playing free safety for the Amsterdam Admirals, Bigby led the team in tackles with 61 (43 solo), defended four passes and added five solo tackles on special teams. That experience should give the coaching staff a more polished, instinctive player to evaluate than the one who was signed to the practice squad last November and activated for just one game.

"I think his confidence level will pick up to where he's going to get out here and know he can play," said Reggie McKenzie, Packers Director of Pro Personnel. "I think he already knew he could play, but when you get out there and play and do it, you gain more confidence, and he did. His speed and his size and his toughness, that was always there.

"To be free safety over there in Europe, he was kind of like the team captain, communicating with the guys."

Noah Herron, running back

Of the players listed here, Herron by far has garnered the most attention.

Signed off the Pittsburgh Steelers' practice squad on Nov. 30, 2005, Herron played in the Packers' final five games last year, rushing 45 times for 121 yards and two touchdowns, one each against the Bears and Seahawks to close the season.

Herron was quickly noticed for "his ability to pick up the system," McKenzie said.
"He's a smart player, he's an instinctive runner, and he catches the ball very well. People want to hammer him because he's not a blazing speed guy, but he's fast enough. The guy can run."

Herron carried that momentum from a strong finish into the offseason and made a strong impression during mini-camps and OTAs while backfield mates Ahman Green and Najeh Davenport were still recovering from injuries.

"He always showed confidence, that part wasn't an issue," McKenzie said. "One issue was his decisiveness and burst. When he makes a decision it seems like he's ready to burst through the hole now. That improved as far as he's concerned."

Josh Bourke, offensive tackle

A non-drafted free agent from Grand Valley State in Allendale, Mich., Bourke was a Division II AP All-America first-team selection last year after missing the 2004 season with a knee injury.

Thus far, Bourke made an impression with his athletic ability for such a big guy (6-foot-7, 314 pounds), a quality that's needed up front in the Packers' new zone-blocking scheme.

"He understands angles and leverage, and for a tall, 6-7 guy, he can bend," McKenzie said. "He can play both left and right tackle, he has the ability to move, to block speed and block power. He's what you look for in a tackle, and it seems like he's got some toughness about him."

Bourke will have to put that toughness on display with the pads as a pro on for the first time.

"It was only a quick look we got in minicamps and OTAs, but he didn't disappoint, that's for sure," McKenzie said.

Tory Humphrey, tight end

Another player who improved his stock in NFL Europe, Humphrey was Amsterdam's fourth-leading receiver with 19 catches for 206 yards (10.8 avg.) and a touchdown. In studying the film from overseas, McKenzie said Humphrey's blocking ability stood out.

"He has good speed, really good hands, he has the total package of a complete tight end," McKenzie said. "All he needed was some playing time so he could get his confidence level up."

Humphrey's biggest challenge will be cracking the Packers' solid top three at tight end, with Bubba Franks, David Martin and Donald Lee seemingly entrenched in their spots.

"Any other time you could kind of pencil him in, but right now he's going to have to compete like the dickens to get on (the final roster), and I don't believe for one minute he won't do it," McKenzie said. "Because he will compete, and I think he's going to make it hard on those coaches."

A.J. Cooper, fullback

A non-drafted free agent from North Dakota State, Cooper was a tight end in college making the switch to fullback in the pros. At 6-foot-1 and 240 pounds, he looked the part in mini-camps and OTAs, and with so many question marks about the overall health of the running backs, there's no telling how things will shake out.

"He's got good size and really good hands as a fullback, and it seems like he understands the game," McKenzie said. "It's hard to get a true judge of those guys, the fullback and linebacker-type guys, until they get the pads on. That's where we have to make sure, can he block, and we don't know that yet."

HarveyWallbangers
07-26-2006, 09:59 AM
I wonder if Vonta Leach's days in Green Bay are numbered. Cooper has been a surprise, and they are also teaching Noah Herron the FB position. If Herron shows anything, he could be the backup FB. This offense doesn't need the big, crushing FB. They want FBs more like Justin Griffith. Guys that can block a little, run a little, pick up blitzes, and can catch the ball.

woodbuck27
07-26-2006, 10:08 AM
I wonder if Vonta Leach's days in Green Bay are numbered. Cooper has been a surprise, and they are also teaching Noah Herron the FB position. If Herron shows anything, he could be the backup FB. This offense doesn't need the big, crushing FB. They want FBs more like Justin Griffith. Guys that can block a little, run a little, pick up blitzes, and can catch the ball.

Vonta is in trouble. No hands.

pittstang5
07-26-2006, 10:12 AM
They want FBs more like Justin Griffith. Guys that can block a little, run a little, pick up blitzes, and can catch the ball.

I hate to say it, but maybe they should have kept Fisher for that role.

K-town
07-26-2006, 10:20 AM
Vonta Leach HAS hands. Like boards.

Also, as much as I liked the guy, I think Fisher was a "product of the system"; in extended playing time over the last two sesaons (esp. in '05), he looked REALLY average. Also noticed his drop rate seemed to be increasing.

Harlan Huckleby
07-26-2006, 10:50 AM
Shamrock and others pounded my ass when I suggested Vonta Leach might not have a long pro career.

How come you guys don't get lambasted? Where is Shamrock?

Partial
07-26-2006, 10:51 AM
Shamrock and others pounded my ass when I suggested Vonta Leach might not have a long pro career.

How come you guys don't get lambasted? Where is Shamrock?

Changed his name to a stupid new name like Patler or something. I don't know what the hell that guy was thinking. :D

Bossman641
07-26-2006, 10:55 AM
I have to agree that Leach's position on the team is, at the very least, in serious question. The only thing is that Henderson is certainly not getting any younger. He's still amazing as a safety valve for Favre but he has lost some of his pop. I know that they've been talking about playing Herron and Davenport at FB, but you have to think that they need to keep at least one other true FB around.

Any chance they stash Cooper or Brown on the practice squad?

Pack0514
07-26-2006, 11:06 AM
You would have to think either one would be available for the practice squad. If they sign a PS contract, the only way they wont be is if an NFL team will but them on their 53 man roster. I honestly cant see a team doing that. From what I have heard, they look pretty raw.

woodbuck27
07-26-2006, 11:32 AM
You would have to think either one would be available for the practice squad. If they sign a PS contract, the only way they wont be is if an NFL team will but them on their 53 man roster. I honestly cant see a team doing that. From what I have heard, they look pretty raw.

I can see FB Ben Brown going on the PS. He's third on OUR depth chart along with A.J. Cooper. A.J.Coper, if given a fair shot will be in the thick of the fight for a FB position but Ben Brown is looking at his opportunity with us as a one shot deal that he must take advantage of.

Ben Brown could be another Samkon Gado like - Cinderella Story?

Training Camp only two days away. It's been a long wait Packer fans.

Heeeeehawwwwww !

GO PACKERS ! !

Tony Oday
07-26-2006, 11:55 AM
I thought Davenpoop was going to be a FB this year?

woodbuck27
07-26-2006, 12:44 PM
I thought Davenpoop was going to be a FB this year?

I believe he will play a part time role there, or that there was talk of that, but what of his blocking ability? His ability to be there for a screen or bale out pass?

Can he be the blocker that we've seen in Henderson and have the talent to make the clutch catch and run to get that necessary third down gain to move the sticks?

We need all the assistance we can get there as William Henderson can't go on forever, yet, as it now looks, maybe he'll have to ? LOL

Creepy
07-26-2006, 02:48 PM
Henderson stays because he can pass block and is a great receiver. MM wants thattype of FB , ala Tom Rathman. Leach doesn't catch well and is mroe a ead blocker only. Good for the Sherman sheme but notthe new one.

Davenport due to his size may revert back to FB, and would be the running FB they want. His receiving skills are still questionalbe along with his lasting the season. Is Herron being brought in at FB or HB. I believe he is being used as a HB, and that is why the speed thing comes up. Right now I see the line-up as follows:
Green #1 -HB
Gado #2 - HB (relieving Green)
Herron #3 - HB

Henderson #1 - FB
Davenport #2 - FB (but may be used as HB or dual sets with Green on passing downs.

Partial
07-26-2006, 02:51 PM
I am gonna throw this out there in my Partial Prediction of the week - By week 6, Blackmon is the nickelback.

MJZiggy
07-26-2006, 02:53 PM
I'm gonna start writing all this stuff down in my little predictions/complaints book and see at the end of the season who knows what they're talking about. :lol:

Deputy Nutz
07-26-2006, 03:09 PM
I don't think Vonta Leach is going to make this team. Hopefully this cooper fella can catch the ball and stick some blocks, because over the past two years I have not been all that impressed with Vonte.

I like the fact that Davenport will see some time as a fullback, and he wouldn't be a bad choice for the third down back if he can set up the screen and catch the ball. I would also like to see Ahman Green kept in there on third down since he has the best hands on the team, and he is unbelievable on the screen.

I wouldn't be suprised if a month into training camp Samkon is dealt for a future draft pick. If he doesn't start recognizing the scheme on the field a little quicker he is going to be useless as a running back in the zone scheme. Herron my not be a burner but he has the scheme down at this point, and he is big enough to play a little fullback.

Running backs that are going to make this team
Green
Davenport
Herron

Fullbacks
Henderson
Cooper*

*denotes practice squad player


I think Thompson and MM want to keep 6 wide recievers, so in a likely case if Davenport and Herron can demonstrate that they can take on the responsiblity of the fullback here and there, than I think they will only carry one full time fullback

Tony Oday
07-26-2006, 03:26 PM
Why dont they have Ruvell Martin(sp?) on this list?

RashanGary
07-26-2006, 06:22 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Hendo cut. It's a new offense. His knowledge isn't as valuable. It's a new ST coach, his knowledge isn't as valuable there either. It might be time to part ways with big will. It all will depend on the young guys. All of them look to have something to offer. If two rise to the challenge, Hendo is out the door.

Tony Oday
07-26-2006, 06:35 PM
No fricken way is Henderson cut. That is almost like saying we are going to cut Brett Favre. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Green Bud Packer
07-26-2006, 08:06 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Hendo cut. If two rise to the challenge, Hendo is out the door. and i thought jennings scored higher on the wonderlick than collins.