Jolly not sorry.

[mngolf19]

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/68428867.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiU9PmP:QiU47cQULPQL7PQ LanchO7DiU


Mental blunder

Packers defensive lineman Johnny Jolly didn’t exactly apologize for the ill-timed personal foul penalty for head-butting Viking running back Chester Taylor after a play late in the first quarter. It turned a Vikings’ fourth-and-10 situation at the Packers’ 14-yard line into first-and-goal at the 7. Three plays later, the Vikings took a 7-3 lead on Peterson’s touchdown run.

Taylor had just been dropped for a five-yard loss when Jolly bumped him as he was walking off the field. After passing Taylor, Jolly turned back and delivered the head butt.

Asked if he was too aggressive in that situation, Jolly said, “I play like that every game. It ain’t going to change. The next game, I’m going to be out there playing hard. It is what it is. It didn’t cost us the game. They made the call. Deal with it. So be it.”

[Scott Campbell]

I guessing he'll get coached even aggressively than he plays over this comment.

[denverYooper]

Dumb move on Jolly's part. Hope he gets ripped a new one. I was so pissed off about that penalty, especially after the D made a nice stand after the long KO return. That was a serious momentum killer and for him not to recognize that is disturbing.

I'd heard from people who were at the game, though, that an OLineman from minny ran in and tackled Jolly after that incident and should've drawn an offsetting.

[Brandon494]

I'm not saying it cost us the game but if he doesnt make that bone head foul its a completely different game IMO.

[MadScientist]

Dumb move on Jolly's part. Hope he gets ripped a new one.
From MM:
It sounds like Johnny and I will have a conversion shortly.

Hopefully MM can execute a successful new asshole ripping and use it to turn around the coaching for the rest of the season.

[SkinBasket]

If Jolly can't see the correlation between penalties like this and losing games on a team as highly penalized as the Packers, I don't much hope of the team's sloppy, stupid play ending any time soon.

[mraynrand]

Stubby needs to get control of his team, with the penalties and discipline. If he doesn't reign in Jolly, he's going to be some offensive coordinators bitch next year.

http://apudgeisasandwich.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/mikemccarthy.jpg

P.S. I'm googling McCarthy (forgot the Mike) and all I get are porn pics.

[Sparkey]

Should make him inactive for the Bucs game as punishment.

[SkinBasket]

P.S. I'm googling McCarthy (forgot the Mike) and all I get are porn pics.

That's an absurd claim that I will investigate immediately.

[MJZiggy]

I hope Jolly has to run every step in Lambeau Field all the while thinking about what he's done, until he barfs up that attitude.

[Little Whiskey]

I agree that it was a dumb move my jolly. i was cussing the TV after the play. however, i don't think it was a game changer. if you think about it probably only a one point change in the score. If they kick the fg there, chilly probably doesn't go for it on 4th and 1 and kicks the other FG.

[Freak Out]

Who was the O-lineman that got schooled when the last Packer legend (Walrus) came back with the Seahawks for the first time? I remember he got thrown out after pushing back after getting shoved by an certain asshole LB.

[pbmax]

I remember Holmgren grabbing Schroeder's face mask. That had not happened in pro football in a long time.

[Partial]

I remember Holmgren grabbing Schroeder's face mask. That had not happened in pro football in a long time.

I remember this too. We're bonding.

[hoosier]

That was Earl Dotson. The weird thing was, Dotson seemed like a pretty easy going guy except for that one play. I wonder what Holmey had on him....

[mmmdk]

I agree that it was a dumb move my jolly. i was cussing the TV after the play. however, i don't think it was a game changer. if you think about it probably only a one point change in the score. If they kick the fg there, chilly probably doesn't go for it on 4th and 1 and kicks the other FG.

I still think it was big but Vikings would probably have anyway. It could've fired up the Pack yet we'll never know.

McCoach will "fix it" !

[mmmdk]

I remember Holmgren grabbing Schroeder's face mask. That had not happened in pro football in a long time.

Yeah, do you remember what game it was? I may have [that game] on dvd.

[retailguy]

I agree that it was a dumb move my jolly. i was cussing the TV after the play. however, i don't think it was a game changer. if you think about it probably only a one point change in the score. If they kick the fg there, chilly probably doesn't go for it on 4th and 1 and kicks the other FG.

Don't know whether it was a game changer or not, but it clearly displays the temperment on this team. Speaks very clearly as to what McCarthy thinks about stupid penaties, and what the cost of them are... NONE.

This team is pathetic. It is sad because they have enough talent, just can't seem to put it together.

Both lines are beyond horrible. The D can stop the run, but couldn't get pressure if they each had a mack truck. The OL is worthless.

[Guiness]

I agree that it was a dumb move my jolly. i was cussing the TV after the play. however, i don't think it was a game changer. if you think about it probably only a one point change in the score. If they kick the fg there, chilly probably doesn't go for it on 4th and 1 and kicks the other FG.

While you're right that there was probably only a point difference based on that play, the ramifications are much larger.

It was early in the game, and the D getting a stop against that O would have been a confidence builder. Much better to go into the huddle saying "let's stop them again!" than "let's not let them score another TD"

As TFA said, it changed a 4th and 10 into a first down.

[rbaloha1]

JJ is a trash talker. Needs to keep emotions under control.

JJ has played well in k year. Worth resigning for a nominal price. Is JJ another Hunt or Williams?

[Brandon494]

[quote="rbaloha"]JJ is a trash talker. Needs to keep emotions under control.

JJ has played well in k year. Worth resigning for a nominal price. Is JJ another Hunt or Williams?[/quote

If he wants Hunt/Williams type money he is not worth keeping.

[MadScientist]

Jolly is showing off his nice shiny new asshole that MM ripped him:

Packers defensive lineman Johnny Jolly was singing a completely different tune Wednesday afternoon in the locker room about his boneheaded personal foul penalty handed the Minnesota Vikings four extra points in the first quarter of Sunday's game.

Immediately after the game, Jolly was defiant and offered no remorse for the head-butt he applied to the Vikings’ Chester Taylor that resulted in a personal foul penalty after the Packers had forced Minnesota into a fourth-down situation. Instead of settling for a field goal, the Vikings used Jolly’s gift as a springboard to score a touchdown four plays later for a 7-3 lead. The Vikings never trailed again.

“I shouldn’t have let my emotions take over on that play,” said Jolly today. “Nick (Barnett) made a great play on third down. We could have been off the field. That gave them an opportunity to get three more snaps prior to the touchdown they scored. Next time it won’t happen like that. That was my fault. I take all the blame for it.”

Packers coach Mike McCarthy said he spoke with Jolly on Monday about the penalty.

“When that line is crossed, then consequences occur,” said McCarthy at his Wednesday press conference. “Trust me, Johnny Jolly has been spoken to. A number of individuals were spoken to Monday. The message and the topics we needed to discuss as a team on Monday were discussed directly, loud and clear. We need to learn from this experience. Yeah, our penalties are too high, and particularly that type of penalty. There's no excuse for it. For it to happen that late, after the play, four points and all that. It definitely factored in the game. I'm confident that our football team will learn from Johnny's mistake.”

Jolly apparently got the message, based on his humble tone today.

“That was totally my fault,” he said. “Actually I told the guys in the game, that was my fault, whatever. But I let my emotions take over. I shouldn’t have done that. I’m a better person than that.”

http://www.packersnews.com/ic/blogs/insider/2009/11/jolly-takes-blame-for-penalty.html

[MadtownPacker]

I hope M3 had a nice talk with himself about being a shitty coach.

[Fritz]

Is it physically possible for MM to rip himself a new asshole?

Cuz I'm with Madtown on this.

[red]

kinda seems like m3 is starting to feel the heat under his seat and decided to start cracking the whip

bout time

[Partial]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/69247702.html

[mraynrand]

I hope M3 had a nice talk with himself about being a shitty coach.

A little Self-scouting is good for the soul.

http://sportsdemotivation.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/matt-ludtke.jpg

[channtheman]

Reading this pisses me off that we have a pussy head coach like MM. I wish we could see a coach that got pissed off at his players and made them run their ass till they did regret what they did and promised it wouldn't happen again. You just stopped the opposing team on a critical 3rd down early in the game when the pace of the game is being set. To say that it didn't matter is just pure ignorance from Jolly. Also, you just stopped them on 3rd down in the red zone. WTF are you doing with the other teamates? Get the fuck away from them and go celebrate with your teamates on your sideline, dummy.

[denverYooper]

I wonder if it was M3 or Trgovac who changed Jolly's tune...

[Maxie the Taxi]

I wonder if it was M3 or Trgovac who changed Jolly's tune...

Very perceptive. I'll bet Trgovac. MM seems to me the type of manager that is totally comfortable with standing in front of the WHOLE team in private and tongue-lashing everyone for one individual's mistake. This manager then delegates to countless middle managers the responsibility of individual counseling. We've all experienced this behavior. It's a common management technique in our modern world, especially in bigger organizations. It sucks and it's counterproductive. Why?

Because a day later the head guy is smiling and exchanging pleasantries with everyone and all is forgiven. He or she is everyone's well-thought-of buddy. In the meantime, the middle-managers -- saddled with a job to do -- try as best they can to get their message across to misbehaving individuals and then move on. Nothing really changes.

The corporate culture is set by the men on top by example and by being firm and confrontational with anyone who crosses that culture. (By confrontational, I don't necessarily mean ranting and raving. I mean an immediate and direct warning, such as: Everyone make mistakes. Just learn from it and don't make the same mistake twice or you'll regret it. The employee has to believe that dire consequences will occur if the mistake is repeated.)

[red]

yes, m3 pretty much said either him or someone else will have a talk with jolly.

and the fact that m3 didn't explode all over jolly on the sideline after the play showed me all i needed to know

i lost the last little bit of respect for m3 right there. this was proof as o why this team has no discipline

it tt needs to have the youngest team in the league every year then m3 is not the right coach

[Maxie the Taxi]

yes, m3 pretty much said either him or someone else will have a talk with jolly.

and the fact that m3 didn't explode all over jolly on the sideline after the play showed me all i needed to know

i lost the last little bit of respect for m3 right there. this was proof as o why this team has no discipline

it tt needs to have the youngest team in the league every year then m3 is not the right coach

Further evidence from MM's Nov. 4th presser. Read his answer closely:


(You talked Monday about why it would have been hard to take Jolly out of the game with the penalty, but are you at a point where the coaches have done what they can do and now it is on the players?)
You definitely have to have lines in your structure. Whether it's penalties, turnovers, mental errors, there's no question about it. Where that line stands and where individuals are close to that line, that's ultimately the responsibility of the coaches and at the end of the day the head coach. When that line is crossed, then consequences occur. Trust me, Johnny Jolly has been spoken to. A number of individuals were spoken to Monday. The message and the topics we needed to discuss as a team on Monday were discussed directly, loud and clear. We need to learn from this experience. Yeah, our penalties are too high, and particularly that type of penalty. There's no excuse for it. For it to happen that late, after the play, four points and all that. It definitely factored in the game. I'm confident that our football team will learn from Johnny's mistake.

MM says: "...Jolly has been spoken to" and "...individuals were spoken to..." I infer from this that someone other than MM was doing the speaking.

On the other hand, MM says: "The message and the topics we needed to discuss as a team on Monday were discussed directly, loud and clear." I infer from this that during the team meeting MM did the speaking.

I've followed MM's career and pressers quite closely over the years. He is very respectful of his assistants and their areas of authority. He rarely if ever steps over that boundary. When areas of the team are failing, he'll speak to the specific coaches. He'll rarely criticize them publically. He'll hardly ever pull individual players aside and ream them another one, especially in public.

Look how he publically supported DC Sanders until the very end of the season. Then, after the season, Sanders was gone and his system totally abandoned.

[Merlin]

Boneheaded move by Jolly. It's a game of poise and he as zero. He cost his team points and if he was any kind of man, he would at the very least apologize to the team. Playing the tough guy is only going to make things worse, AND YES YOU IDIOT YOUR PLAY WAS PART OF THE REASON WE LOST.

So take your "is what it is" attitude and stick it up your ass. The fans deserve better than you.

[SnakeLH2006]

I guessing he'll get coached even aggressively than he plays over this comment.

Coaching is a stretch. MM is like having a prostitute babysit.

[Zool]

Can we just change the title of this thread to "Jolly not smart"?