Alledged Negative Comment to MM get Lambeau Worker Canned

[green_bowl_packer]

Packers employee fired for remarks to McCarthy

by News Wire
November 13, 02009
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From JSonline.com:

Mike Wood can't remember the last time he watched a Green Bay Packers home game on television.

For at least 22 years, Wood has worked on game days at Lambeau Field as a part-timer with the stadium's maintenance staff.

It was a job he loved because it meant working for a franchise he loves.

That relationship is over. Wood, 53, was fired Nov. 1, the day the Packers lost to the Minnesota Vikings, 38-26.

He says it had something to do with a comment he made to head coach Mike McCarthy on the Thursday before the game.

Wood was initially reluctant to tell his version of what happened but then he agreed to speak to a reporter. His friends say Wood, known as Woody, deserves better.

Wood said he was sitting in a maintenance cart in a stadium tunnel when McCarthy was talking with members of the grounds crew.

With the season's most-hyped game only three days away, Wood said he yelled to McCarthy, "Hey coach, let's get the boys ready to kick some butt this weekend."

Wood says that's all he said.

The next day, a Friday, Wood came back to Lambeau Field to work. "Nothing was said," he said.

But on Sunday, Wood arrived at the stadium about 11:30 a.m. and immediately began his regular routine. There were nets to hang, and the field had to be cleared of debris, he said.

Wood said Allen Johnson, the team's fields manager, approached him. "What did you say to McCarthy?" he asked.

Wood said he repeated what he had told McCarthy. Wood said he was told that McCarthy thought he heard him make a comment along the lines of "don't lay an egg" in the game.

"I'm telling you, I had no knowledge of that," Wood said he told Johnson.

Moments later, Wood said Ted Eisenreich, the team's director of facility operations, approached him.

"If you didn't say it, who did?" Eisenreich asked Wood.

"I said I didn't know," Wood answered.

The next thing Wood knew he was being escorted from Lambeau Field and told he was out of a job. "Allen said to me, 'Woody, we can't have that stuff. We have to let you go.' "

Wood said he shook Johnson's hand and left.

Reached for comment, the Packers released a statement: "The organization has standards of conduct that apply to all employees, full-time and part-time, in order to maintain a respectful workplace. Mr. Wood's supervisors determined he made an inappropriate comment, and he was relieved of his duties."

Wood said he cried when he realized what had happened. He went to the Stadium View bar to watch the game, still bewildered by his firing.

"This was going to be my last year," said Wood, who said he had been working for the Packers for at least 22 years and as many as 25. "The truth is it was starting to get to me, the cold weather and so on," he said.

On Thursday, Wood, who has worked for the City of Green Bay for 34 years as a truck driver, insisted he had no idea what McCarthy thought he heard.

"I will die in my grave knowing that I didn't say anything about laying an egg," he said. "I was shook up."

Wood says he's not even sure it's worth going back.

"I don't want to go back and be scrutinized," Wood said. "It's not the way I wanted to go out. But I know it didn't happen the way they said it did."


http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Packers-employee-fired-for-remarks-to-McCarthy.html

Can't the guys he was BS'ing with when he made the comment, stand up for him?

[red]

seems like someone has thin skin. makes you dislike m3 even more

and i can see a lawsuit in the future, wrongful termination

[Scott Campbell]

Let's hope the Packers don't lay an egg on Sunday.


This thread would have been a lot more entertaining if it was titled "Woody Fired For Inappropriate Comments".

[pbmax]

There is a piece missing from the story. There were witnesses.

[KYPack]

Woody = Woodbuck?

[Partial]

MM is looking really bad from this. Kind of a disgusting story from what I've heard on the radio. Let's hope there is more to it than we're hearing.

[green_bowl_packer]

Sort of Mangini-ish

[pbmax]

If he was insulting, I have more respect for him saying it to the Coach directly that the bonehead Eagles worker who put it on his Facebook page.

A suspension seems like it would have been a better idea unless there was precedent.

[sharpe1027]

There is a piece missing from the story. There were witnesses.

If true, then not only did he make inappropriate comments to upper management at work, he lied about it afterward? That would get most of us fired. It still looks bad for MM.

[Scott Campbell]

McCarthy is looking really bad because of the way his team is playing. This story seems pretty insignificant to me.

[sharpe1027]

If he was insulting, I have more respect for him saying it to the Coach directly that the bonehead Eagles worker who put it on his Facebook page.

A suspension seems like it would have been a better idea unless there was precedent.

It probably didn't help that he refused to fess up to it.

[Partial]

If he was insulting, I have more respect for him saying it to the Coach directly that the bonehead Eagles worker who put it on his Facebook page.

A suspension seems like it would have been a better idea unless there was precedent.

It probably didn't help that he refused to fess up to it.

You don't know that he did anything. We've only heard his side of the story and he says he did not say what was heard. I think it's jumping to conclusions here.

[GrnBay007]

Maybe it was really the little voices in MM's head saying, "don't lay an egg" and the poor guy got blamed for it. :P

[Bretsky]

All those who ripped Sherman for not having thick skin can now bag on MM

[KYPack]

McCarthy is looking really bad because of the way his team is playing. This story seems pretty insignificant to me.

Agreed.

But so did Watergate at the beginning.

The story is getting "National Legs" now.

PFT headline... "Firing of Lambeau Field worker could grease skids for McCarthy"

The tom-toms are now beating.

[sharpe1027]

If he was insulting, I have more respect for him saying it to the Coach directly that the bonehead Eagles worker who put it on his Facebook page.

A suspension seems like it would have been a better idea unless there was precedent.

It probably didn't help that he refused to fess up to it.

You don't know that he did anything. We've only heard his side of the story and he says he did not say what was heard. I think it's jumping to conclusions here.

No.

Management said they determined he said it. It doesn't matter whether he did or did not, they determined he did. Thus, it probably did not help that he didn't admit to it. If he had and perhaps had agreed to apologize, it might have helped his situation.

No conclusion jumping involved.

[sharpe1027]

All those who ripped Sherman for not having thick skin can now bag on MM

Do we even know if MM complained about it? If others heard it, perhaps they were the ones that brought it up to staff.

Truthfully though, I find it much more likely that MM was just in a pissed-off mood, but we really don't have the facts just yet.

[Scott Campbell]

McCarthy is looking really bad because of the way his team is playing. This story seems pretty insignificant to me.

Agreed.

But so did Watergate at the beginning.

The story is getting "National Legs" now.

PFT headline... "Firing of Lambeau Field worker could grease skids for McCarthy"

The tom-toms are now beating.



Ironically Mike probably heard the same thing from Ted "you better not lay an egg against Dallas".

[g4orce]

They couldn't of kept this in house? Seriously, its rough to be a Packers fan and now we gotta deal with this bullshit? Been very disappointing in my Packers for a long time now, when's it ever gonna get good again? man..

[Partial]

If he was insulting, I have more respect for him saying it to the Coach directly that the bonehead Eagles worker who put it on his Facebook page.

A suspension seems like it would have been a better idea unless there was precedent.

It probably didn't help that he refused to fess up to it.

You don't know that he did anything. We've only heard his side of the story and he says he did not say what was heard. I think it's jumping to conclusions here.

No.

Management said they determined he said it. It doesn't matter whether he did or did not, they determined he did. Thus, it probably did not help that he didn't admit to it. If he had and perhaps had agreed to apologize, it might have helped his situation.

No conclusion jumping involved.

He is saying he didn't say it. Why would he admit to something he didn't do? :?:

[Scott Campbell]

They couldn't of kept this in house? Seriously, its rough to be a Packers fan and now we gotta deal with this bullshit? Been very disappointing in my Packers for a long time now, when's it ever gonna get good again? man..


:lol:


It's not like they called a press conference to say they fired the guy. The reporter got the story out of the ex employee.

[g4orce]

They couldn't of kept this in house? Seriously, its rough to be a Packers fan and now we gotta deal with this bullshit? Been very disappointing in my Packers for a long time now, when's it ever gonna get good again? man..


:lol:


It's not like they called a press conference to say they fired the guy. The reporter got the story out of the ex employee.


Green Bay's just becoming a joke, thats all. Its sad.

Why wouldnt they just tell the guy to shut his mouth and do his job. A firing over some guy chirping at you? And were not even sure if MM is right about what he said? Its fucking embarrassing.

[sharpe1027]

If he was insulting, I have more respect for him saying it to the Coach directly that the bonehead Eagles worker who put it on his Facebook page.

A suspension seems like it would have been a better idea unless there was precedent.

It probably didn't help that he refused to fess up to it.

You don't know that he did anything. We've only heard his side of the story and he says he did not say what was heard. I think it's jumping to conclusions here.

No.

Management said they determined he said it. It doesn't matter whether he did or did not, they determined he did. Thus, it probably did not help that he didn't admit to it. If he had and perhaps had agreed to apologize, it might have helped his situation.

No conclusion jumping involved.

He is saying he didn't say it. Why would he admit to something he didn't do? :?:

Why? I don't know. That doesn't change the fact that if he had it might have helped him.

Let me try this another way. I was commenting on their decision to fire him. They confronted him and gave him a chance to explain. He completely denied it. They obviously didn't believe him and fired him. The fact that they asked him about it first suggests that there was a reason they asked him, maybe it was to give him a chance to apologize. As I said, denying it probably didn't help his case.

Are you trying to pin me down and show me the errors of my ways?

[Waldo]

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2009/03/14/bc-090313-bus-break3.jpg

[red]

big tough mike mcCarthy

he can't stand up to his players when they do something stupid, but man, he sure can run to upper management and get a guy that doesn't directly work for him fired when he feels wronged

its like the kid on the playground who gets beat up by a bully, and turns around and beats up the nerd to make himself feel better

even if the guy did say don't lay an egg. good for him. most fans these days would have told him to pull his fucking head out of his giant fat ass, and grow a set of balls while he's doing it

this guy is becoming more of a joke by the hour these days

[Fritz]

I find it sad that a couple posters here are jumping on others, saying we haven't heard both sides, so we're jumping to conclusions - and then are jumping to conclusions, not having heard both sides. The only difference is that they're jumping to a different conclusion. Do people even pay attention to what they are saying, or is logic just completely out the door any more?

[Bossman641]

This seems like a pretty big deal over nothing, especially since we don't know any of the story

[Fritz]

I can't wait for recess to see if they duke it out on the playground.

[KYPack]

This seems to be a PR thing, for sure. The main "fact" out there from this epidode is the paper taking that one side and using it to make MM look like a total dick.

That's a guy with little support who is a rather fat sitting duck. MM is a target right now, and it doesn't bode well for his job security.

He needs some wins to rehab his image in a big way.

Pittsburgh Mike is in a real "devine" situation, it seems.

[pbmax]

I find it sad that a couple posters here are jumping on others, saying we haven't heard both sides, so we're jumping to conclusions - and then are jumping to conclusions, not having heard both sides. The only difference is that they're jumping to a different conclusion. Do people even pay attention to what they are saying, or is logic just completely out the door any more?
I don't know what this sentence means Fritzy but I do notice you haven't sided with me. So I will assume you are a hater until further notice.

[pbmax]

They couldn't of kept this in house? Seriously, its rough to be a Packers fan and now we gotta deal with this bullshit? Been very disappointing in my Packers for a long time now, when's it ever gonna get good again? man..


:lol:


It's not like they called a press conference to say they fired the guy. The reporter got the story out of the ex employee.


Green Bay's just becoming a joke, thats all. Its sad.

Why wouldnt they just tell the guy to shut his mouth and do his job. A firing over some guy chirping at you? And were not even sure if MM is right about what he said? Its fucking embarrassing.
Toughen up buttercup.

Not too many businesses where you get to razz a superior (who it would seem he does not personally know) and get to keep collecting checks. If you are going to do it, it better be funny or play well. No matter which wording he chose, he chose poorly.

[Fritz]

I find it sad that a couple posters here are jumping on others, saying we haven't heard both sides, so we're jumping to conclusions - and then are jumping to conclusions, not having heard both sides. The only difference is that they're jumping to a different conclusion. Do people even pay attention to what they are saying, or is logic just completely out the door any more?
I don't know what this sentence means Fritzy but I do notice you haven't sided with me. So I will assume you are a hater until further notice.

I'm on your side.

[Cheesehead Craig]

The worker obviously had a poor pad level

[pbmax]

I find it sad that a couple posters here are jumping on others, saying we haven't heard both sides, so we're jumping to conclusions - and then are jumping to conclusions, not having heard both sides. The only difference is that they're jumping to a different conclusion. Do people even pay attention to what they are saying, or is logic just completely out the door any more?
I don't know what this sentence means Fritzy but I do notice you haven't sided with me. So I will assume you are a hater until further notice.

I'm on your side.
Great. Welcome to the side of righteousness and indignation. I will let you know when I have made up my mind who we will be backing as soon as prevailing wisdom lets me know.

[pbmax]

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2009/03/14/bc-090313-bus-break3.jpg
Can I get a clarification? Are the wheels coming off, is someone under there or both?

[denverYooper]

The worker obviously had a poor pad level

Nobody ever gets benched for that, though.

[denverYooper]

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2009/03/14/bc-090313-bus-break3.jpg
Can I get a clarification? Are the wheels coming off, is someone under there or both?

I took it to mean that the wheels are coming off of McCarthy's metaphorical bus.

[pbmax]

This seems to be a PR thing, for sure. The main "fact" out there from this epidode is the paper taking that one side and using it to make MM look like a total dick.

That's a guy with little support who is a rather fat sitting duck. MM is a target right now, and it doesn't bode well for his job security.

He needs some wins to rehab his image in a big way.

Pittsburgh Mike is in a real "devine" situation, it seems.
Its too bad we didn't know about it earlier. We could have testified that it was Slocum and Campen that put him up to it. :lol:

[sharpe1027]

I find it sad that a couple posters here are jumping on others, saying we haven't heard both sides, so we're jumping to conclusions - and then are jumping to conclusions, not having heard both sides. The only difference is that they're jumping to a different conclusion. Do people even pay attention to what they are saying, or is logic just completely out the door any more?

I find myself sad because I may have made you sad. Apologies if I jumped to conclusions and made you sad. :cry:

[Maxie the Taxi]

Wow. Good thing I don't work for the Packers, MM would have a contract out on me. :D

[Fritz]

I find it sad that a couple posters here are jumping on others, saying we haven't heard both sides, so we're jumping to conclusions - and then are jumping to conclusions, not having heard both sides. The only difference is that they're jumping to a different conclusion. Do people even pay attention to what they are saying, or is logic just completely out the door any more?
I don't know what this sentence means Fritzy but I do notice you haven't sided with me. So I will assume you are a hater until further notice.

I'm on your side.
Great. Welcome to the side of righteousness and indignation. I will let you know when I have made up my mind who we will be backing as soon as prevailing wisdom lets me know.

Thanks! And I will back you fiercely and loyally until I change my mind, at which point I will point out that I did say some things here and there that suggest I was dubious of you even as I backed you.

That way I'll always be right.

[Waldo]

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2009/03/14/bc-090313-bus-break3.jpg
Can I get a clarification? Are the wheels coming off, is someone under there or both?

I took it to mean that the wheels are coming off of McCarthy's metaphorical bus.

It was the best picture I could quickly find of "the wheels have fallen off the bus"

[Fritz]

Oh - I thought that was someone looking to see who'd been thrown under it!

[Tony Oday]

I find it sad that a couple posters here are jumping on others, saying we haven't heard both sides, so we're jumping to conclusions - and then are jumping to conclusions, not having heard both sides. The only difference is that they're jumping to a different conclusion. Do people even pay attention to what they are saying, or is logic just completely out the door any more?
I don't know what this sentence means Fritzy but I do notice you haven't sided with me. So I will assume you are a hater until further notice.

I'm on your side.
Great. Welcome to the side of righteousness and indignation. I will let you know when I have made up my mind who we will be backing as soon as prevailing wisdom lets me know.

Thanks! And I will back you fiercely and loyally until I change my mind, at which point I will point out that I did say some things here and there that suggest I was dubious of you even as I backed you.

That way I'll always be right.

I now christen both of you Politicians ;)

[red]

They couldn't of kept this in house? Seriously, its rough to be a Packers fan and now we gotta deal with this bullshit? Been very disappointing in my Packers for a long time now, when's it ever gonna get good again? man..


:lol:


It's not like they called a press conference to say they fired the guy. The reporter got the story out of the ex employee.


Green Bay's just becoming a joke, thats all. Its sad.

Why wouldnt they just tell the guy to shut his mouth and do his job. A firing over some guy chirping at you? And were not even sure if MM is right about what he said? Its fucking embarrassing.
Toughen up buttercup.

Not too many businesses where you get to razz a superior (who it would seem he does not personally know) and get to keep collecting checks. If you are going to do it, it better be funny or play well. No matter which wording he chose, he chose poorly.

would M3 have been his superior? or just another employee with a much higher profile

where does head coach rank in a company like the packers. i know the guy who was part of the field maintenance team didn't work directly under M3 in any way

[Scott Campbell]

I'd have fired him for looking at me funny.

[KYPack]

This seems to be a PR thing, for sure. The main "fact" out there from this epidode is the paper taking that one side and using it to make MM look like a total dick.

That's a guy with little support who is a rather fat sitting duck. MM is a target right now, and it doesn't bode well for his job security.

He needs some wins to rehab his image in a big way.

Pittsburgh Mike is in a real "devine" situation, it seems.
Its too bad we didn't know about it earlier. We could have testified that it was Slocum and Campen that put him up to it. :lol:

I was thinking along those lines. If a story comes out that Campen and Slocum were caught drowning kittens, we'll know the villagers of GB are lighting their torches and preparing to march.

[Pugger]

So now if a guy gets fired from the maintenance crew that is somehow MM's fault too? :roll: I have a hard time believing this guy got the axe for saying something inappropriate to MM. I wonder what else this guy has done lately to warrant his dismissal?

[mraynrand]

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2009/03/14/bc-090313-bus-break3.jpg
Can I get a clarification? Are the wheels coming off, is someone under there or both?

I took it to mean that the wheels are coming off of McCarthy's metaphorical bus.

It was the best picture I could quickly find of "the wheels have fallen off the bus"

I thought the 'throwing the worker under the bus' concept was jumping to conclusions. Really, what we need here is a "Jump to conclusions" Mat.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/18/70384439_ba1fd5b9de.jpg

[mraynrand]

So now if a guy gets fired from the maintenance crew that is somehow MM's fault too? :roll: I have a hard time believing this guy got the axe for saying something inappropriate to MM. I wonder what else this guy has done lately to warrant his dismissal?

He was probably jumping to conclusions.

[FritzDontBlitz]

If he was insulting, I have more respect for him saying it to the Coach directly that the bonehead Eagles worker who put it on his Facebook page.

A suspension seems like it would have been a better idea unless there was precedent.

It probably didn't help that he refused to fess up to it.

You don't know that he did anything. We've only heard his side of the story and he says he did not say what was heard. I think it's jumping to conclusions here.

No.

Management said they determined he said it. It doesn't matter whether he did or did not, they determined he did. Thus, it probably did not help that he didn't admit to it. If he had and perhaps had agreed to apologize, it might have helped his situation.

No conclusion jumping involved.

So, essentially you're saying that even if he didn't say it he should fess up and apologize because management decided he did say it and his word doesn't really matter.

And what 3rd world country are you from again?

[denverYooper]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/18/70384439_ba1fd5b9de.jpg

That's the worst idea I've ever heard.

[Waldo]

So now if a guy gets fired from the maintenance crew that is somehow MM's fault too? :roll: I have a hard time believing this guy got the axe for saying something inappropriate to MM. I wonder what else this guy has done lately to warrant his dismissal?

He was probably jumping to conclusions.

http://images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/for_forums/jump_to_conclusions.jpg

[sharpe1027]

So, essentially you're saying that even if he didn't say it he should fess up and apologize because management decided he did say it and his word doesn't really matter.

And what 3rd world country are you from again?

No. I am saying that once management decided he said it, then his denial probably didn't help his case. It doesn't matter what he should have done. It doesn't matter if they were right or wrong in their conclusion. It is what it is. For whatever reason, they didn't believe him and probably thought he lied.

Moving on.

Let me jump to a conclusion, based upon the limited bit of knowledge we have, they asked him what he said. He told them something that didn't match what others heard. They asked if it wasn't him, then who said it. He had no answer. I'd say there's a decent chance he lied about what he said to protect his job. Many of us would do similar things in that type of situations, whether or not we would admit it to even ourselves.

[Smidgeon]

So, essentially you're saying that even if he didn't say it he should fess up and apologize because management decided he did say it and his word doesn't really matter.

And what 3rd world country are you from again?

I don't know what the original point was, but sometimes, even if you're innocent, a guiltless apology can be made if the situation demands it. For example: "If I did or said something that was taken poorly, I apologize. It is not my intention to be disrespectful." It doesn't admit guilt and is simple tact.

I don't know what happened and have no specific opinion about this, which is why I haven't commented. I'm just replying to your notion that an apology implies guilt. It doesn't. It can often imply an understanding of a situation and be a tool to relieve that tension.

[MadtownPacker]

So now if a guy gets fired from the maintenance crew that is somehow MM's fault too? :roll: I have a hard time believing this guy got the axe for saying something inappropriate to MM. I wonder what else this guy has done lately to warrant his dismissal?Are you stu-stu-stupid or something? Did you actually read the article or you to busy worshipping Buddha Mike?

"Reached for comment, the Packers released a statement: "The organization has standards of conduct that apply to all employees, full-time and part-time, in order to maintain a respectful workplace. Mr. Wood's supervisors determined he made an inappropriate comment, and he was relieved of his duties."

The boss wasnt there so someone had to tell and it sounds like McDoughboy was the one who went crying.

Sounds like someone's hotseat is causing him to lash out. The man worked for the Pack for over 20 years and suddenly he turns into a rude prick who deserves to be canned? And if he did say it, fuck it. It was worth it to tell fatass face to face that he sucks.

[MadtownPacker]

I'd have fired him for looking at me funny.You're right. Ted shouldn't let McDonut look at him funny.

[pbmax]

Oh - I thought that was someone looking to see who'd been thrown under it!
Works either way I think.

In answer to Red's question, no McCarthy wouldn't be his direct superior, but McCarthy is essentially the 4th highest guy on the totem pole. Not by title (he isn't a Vice President according to Packers.com) but de facto:
Exec Committee
Mark Murphy
Thompson
McCarthy

He might be the second highest paid employee and the third most influential.

If you were a Custodian at a bank, would you consider it wise to comment on the performance of the Vice President of Loans? Probably not. Maybe tease him about his golf game, but not the performance of his division.

[Smidgeon]

So, essentially you're saying that even if he didn't say it he should fess up and apologize because management decided he did say it and his word doesn't really matter.

And what 3rd world country are you from again?

I don't know what the original point was, but sometimes, even if you're innocent, a guiltless apology can be made if the situation demands it. For example: "If I did or said something that was taken poorly, I apologize. It is not my intention to be disrespectful." It doesn't admit guilt and is simple tact.

I don't know what happened and have no specific opinion about this, which is why I haven't commented. I'm just replying to your notion that an apology implies guilt. It doesn't. It can often imply an understanding of a situation and be a tool to relieve that tension.

You can also make an apology into a veiled insult: "I'm sorry that what I said was misinterpreted..."

Or into a not-so-veiled insult: "I'm sorry that the person who presented these allegations is so dumb that he can't tell the difference between spite and being a fan..."

[pbmax]

If he was insulting, I have more respect for him saying it to the Coach directly that the bonehead Eagles worker who put it on his Facebook page.

A suspension seems like it would have been a better idea unless there was precedent.

It probably didn't help that he refused to fess up to it.

You don't know that he did anything. We've only heard his side of the story and he says he did not say what was heard. I think it's jumping to conclusions here.

No.

Management said they determined he said it. It doesn't matter whether he did or did not, they determined he did. Thus, it probably did not help that he didn't admit to it. If he had and perhaps had agreed to apologize, it might have helped his situation.

No conclusion jumping involved.

So, essentially you're saying that even if he didn't say it he should fess up and apologize because management decided he did say it and his word doesn't really matter.

And what 3rd world country are you from again?
This is an at will employment state (I think that is the correct term). You do realize that if your employer thinks it should be rid of you for any reason, you are going to be leaving? The only difference here is that they may have fired him with cause.

[sharpe1027]

The boss wasnt there so someone had to tell and it sounds like McDoughboy was the one who went crying.

Sounds like someone's hotseat is causing him to lash out. The man worked for the Pack for over 20 years and suddenly he turns into a rude prick who deserves to be canned? And if he did say it, fuck it. It was worth it to tell fatass face to face that he sucks.

Working somewhere 20 years doesn't mean shit about his personality. That being said, I personally don't think he deserved to be canned for saying "laying an egg."

Aren't many of the game-day workers just guys that show up part-time, often for the benefit of being able to go to games and get on the field? The low man on the totem pole doesn't get much leeway I guess.

[pbmax]

The boss wasnt there so someone had to tell and it sounds like McDoughboy was the one who went crying.

Sounds like someone's hotseat is causing him to lash out.
There were witnesses. How do you know it was McCarthy who reported it?

[pbmax]

McCarthy has a presser coming up on Packers.com and its late. Think they are calling Ari Fleischer? :wink:

[Cheesehead Craig]

McCarthy has a presser coming up on Packers.com and its late. Think they are calling Ari Fleischer? :wink:
That worker clearly crossed the Rubicon with his comment and they had to let him go.

[pbmax]

McCarthy called someone named Allen over the comment. One comment was made to M3 and he made one comment back. Called Allen to find out the name of the guy but did not ask action to be taken.

Said it was something he would not say to a fellow employee.

[Scott Campbell]

I don't give a crap who they fire as long as they win Sunday.

[Smidgeon]

I don't give a crap who they fire as long as they win Sunday.

I'll care if they win. Then I'll associate the two, claiming a high correlation, and be looking forward to the next firing because it will mean wins!

[Sparkey]

I find it sad that a couple posters here are jumping on others, saying we haven't heard both sides, so we're jumping to conclusions - and then are jumping to conclusions, not having heard both sides. The only difference is that they're jumping to a different conclusion. Do people even pay attention to what they are saying, or is logic just completely out the door any more?

You're so mean. Try adding to the forum and not hating on people! :wink: :lol:

[red]

IMO

both parties in this matter should have been fired

just to make things fair

[Sparkey]

If he was insulting, I have more respect for him saying it to the Coach directly that the bonehead Eagles worker who put it on his Facebook page.

A suspension seems like it would have been a better idea unless there was precedent.

It probably didn't help that he refused to fess up to it.

You don't know that he did anything. We've only heard his side of the story and he says he did not say what was heard. I think it's jumping to conclusions here.

No.

Management said they determined he said it. It doesn't matter whether he did or did not, they determined he did. Thus, it probably did not help that he didn't admit to it. If he had and perhaps had agreed to apologize, it might have helped his situation.

No conclusion jumping involved.

So, essentially you're saying that even if he didn't say it he should fess up and apologize because management decided he did say it and his word doesn't really matter.

And what 3rd world country are you from again?
This is an at will employment state (I think that is the correct term). You do realize that if your employer thinks it should be rid of you for any reason, you are going to be leaving? The only difference here is that they may have fired him with cause.

Exactly right. Wisconsin, unless a unionized work place, is an at will Employment state. Which means you get hired or fired "at will". Your employer does not need a reason to can your ass.

[ThunderDan]

If he was insulting, I have more respect for him saying it to the Coach directly that the bonehead Eagles worker who put it on his Facebook page.

A suspension seems like it would have been a better idea unless there was precedent.

It probably didn't help that he refused to fess up to it.

You don't know that he did anything. We've only heard his side of the story and he says he did not say what was heard. I think it's jumping to conclusions here.

No.

Management said they determined he said it. It doesn't matter whether he did or did not, they determined he did. Thus, it probably did not help that he didn't admit to it. If he had and perhaps had agreed to apologize, it might have helped his situation.

No conclusion jumping involved.

So, essentially you're saying that even if he didn't say it he should fess up and apologize because management decided he did say it and his word doesn't really matter.

And what 3rd world country are you from again?
This is an at will employment state (I think that is the correct term). You do realize that if your employer thinks it should be rid of you for any reason, you are going to be leaving? The only difference here is that they may have fired him with cause.

Exactly right. Wisconsin, unless a unionized work place, is an at will Employment state. Which means you get hired or fired "at will". Your employer does not need a reason to can your ass.

Of course that works the other way also. You can quit for no cause also.

[sharpe1027]

That worker clearly crossed the Rubicon with his comment and they had to let him go.

Rubicon? Was that the decepticon transformer that had the distinction of turning into Rubik's cube? I wouldn't have crossed him either. I hear he is still pretty sensitive about not having any wheels or jet engines.

[pbmax]

IMO

both parties in this matter should have been fired

just to make things fair
You may just get your wish.

Though in a way its good the Packers are at .500. If this happened and the Packers were flying high and then tanked, we'd be talking about the Curse of Woody. :lol:

As it is, we can just blame the offensive line.

[Waldo]

That worker clearly crossed the Rubicon with his comment and they had to let him go.

Rubicon? Was that the decepticon transformer that had the distinction of turning into Rubik's cube? I wouldn't have crossed him either. I hear he is still pretty sensitive about not having any wheels or jet engines.

From Wiki:

Crossing the Rubicon is a metaphor for deliberately proceeding past a point of no return. The phrase originates with Julius Caesar's invasion of Ancient Rome when, on January 10, 49 BC, he led his army across the Rubicon River in violation of law, hence making conflict inevitable. Therefore the term "the Rubicon" is used as a synonym to the "point of no return".

[sharpe1027]

That worker clearly crossed the Rubicon with his comment and they had to let him go.

Rubicon? Was that the decepticon transformer that had the distinction of turning into Rubik's cube? I wouldn't have crossed him either. I hear he is still pretty sensitive about not having any wheels or jet engines.

From Wiki:

Crossing the Rubicon is a metaphor for deliberately proceeding past a point of no return. The phrase originates with Julius Caesar's invasion of Ancient Rome when, on January 10, 49 BC, he led his army across the Rubicon River in violation of law, hence making conflict inevitable. Therefore the term "the Rubicon" is used as a synonym to the "point of no return".

An equally plausible use of the phrase. I don't know though, Rubicon's popularity may have waned of late, but I hear he was a pretty big deal in his day.

[gbpackfan]

If he was insulting, I have more respect for him saying it to the Coach directly that the bonehead Eagles worker who put it on his Facebook page.

A suspension seems like it would have been a better idea unless there was precedent.

It probably didn't help that he refused to fess up to it.

You don't know that he did anything. We've only heard his side of the story and he says he did not say what was heard. I think it's jumping to conclusions here.

No.

Management said they determined he said it. It doesn't matter whether he did or did not, they determined he did. Thus, it probably did not help that he didn't admit to it. If he had and perhaps had agreed to apologize, it might have helped his situation.

No conclusion jumping involved.

So, essentially you're saying that even if he didn't say it he should fess up and apologize because management decided he did say it and his word doesn't really matter.

And what 3rd world country are you from again?
This is an at will employment state (I think that is the correct term). You do realize that if your employer thinks it should be rid of you for any reason, you are going to be leaving? The only difference here is that they may have fired him with cause.

Exactly right. Wisconsin, unless a unionized work place, is an at will Employment state. Which means you get hired or fired "at will". Your employer does not need a reason to can your ass.

So you can legally be fired for being black in Wisconsin? You can be legally be fired for being Jewish? You can legally be fired for being a woman? Your statement is completely false. And for your sake, and your company's, I hope you aren't in HR. You better have a valid reason for firing someone and you better have a paper trail detailing EVERYTHING.

[sharpe1027]

So you can legally be fired for being black in Wisconsin? You can be legally be fired for being Jewish? You can legally be fired for being a woman? Your statement is completely false. And for your sake, and your company's, I hope you aren't in HR. You better have a valid reason for firing someone and you better have a paper trail detailing EVERYTHING.

I think there's a difference between firing someone for an improper reason and firing them for no reason at all. Is it good practice to document everything like you suggest, sure, but that doesn't mean you don't have a right to fire someone for no reason whatsoever.

[swede]

So you can legally be fired for being black in Wisconsin? You can be legally be fired for being Jewish? You can legally be fired for being a woman? Your statement is completely false.

He's right. When is the last time a Jewish black woman got fired for lipping off to the coach?

But if I were Sammi Davis I'd still watch my mouth around McCarthy until after the Dallas game.

[green_bowl_packer]

So you can legally be fired for being black in Wisconsin? You can be legally be fired for being Jewish? You can legally be fired for being a woman? Your statement is completely false.

He's right. When is the last time a Jewish black woman got fired for lipping off to the coach?

But if I were Sammi Davis I'd still watch my mouth around McCarthy until after the Dallas game.

Or Whoopi Goldberg

[gbpackfan]

So you can legally be fired for being black in Wisconsin? You can be legally be fired for being Jewish? You can legally be fired for being a woman? Your statement is completely false. And for your sake, and your company's, I hope you aren't in HR. You better have a valid reason for firing someone and you better have a paper trail detailing EVERYTHING.

I think there's a difference between firing someone for an improper reason and firing them for no reason at all. Is it good practice to document everything like you suggest, sure, but that doesn't mean you don't have a right to fire someone for no reason whatsoever.


Ha ha ha ha. So you fire someone, let's say a black woman, for NO REASON AT ALL. She then claims racism and takes you to court. Your defense is going to be WE FIRED HER FOR NO REASON! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Please, hire my wife and then fire her for no reason. What a great way to earn free money! HA HA HA HA HA HA.

[Smidgeon]

So you can legally be fired for being black in Wisconsin? You can be legally be fired for being Jewish? You can legally be fired for being a woman? Your statement is completely false. And for your sake, and your company's, I hope you aren't in HR. You better have a valid reason for firing someone and you better have a paper trail detailing EVERYTHING.

I think there's a difference between firing someone for an improper reason and firing them for no reason at all. Is it good practice to document everything like you suggest, sure, but that doesn't mean you don't have a right to fire someone for no reason whatsoever.


Ha ha ha ha. So you fire someone, let's say a black woman, for NO REASON AT ALL. She then claims racism and takes you to court. Your defense is going to be WE FIRED HER FOR NO REASON! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Please, hire my wife and then fire her for no reason. What a great way to earn free money! HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Except you know better than anyone saying "We fired her for no reason." Here in the business world, you can say a lot without saying anything. You can hide effectively behind business speak. I've seen people fired over "personal differences", "developmental differences", etc. It's easy to find something that fits a situation that is a "no reason" situation. You know that. Or at least I hope that anybody who's old enough to be married grasps something that simple.

[sharpe1027]

Ha ha ha ha. So you fire someone, let's say a black woman, for NO REASON AT ALL. She then claims racism and you takes you to court. Your defense is going to be WE FIRED HER FOR NO REASON! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Please, hire my wife and then fire her for no reason. What a great way to earn free money! HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Look, I agree with you that it is a good practice (and extra defense against BS lawsuits that people like you would bring) to have some other reason as a defense. Still, that doesn't change the fact that Wisconsin does not legally require a showing of cause to fire someone. Just because people try to work the system, and many people in HR are scared to death of lawsuits (probably because of people like you) that doesn't change the facts.

I'd love to see some evidence to backup your claims. I bet there are a ton of cases get thrown out without so much as a dime being paid because people like you think they have a case. You seem so sure though, perhaps you have compiled data on successful race-based discriminations for simple firings?

[gbpackfan]

Ha ha ha ha. So you fire someone, let's say a black woman, for NO REASON AT ALL. She then claims racism and you takes you to court. Your defense is going to be WE FIRED HER FOR NO REASON! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Please, hire my wife and then fire her for no reason. What a great way to earn free money! HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Look, I agree with you that it is a good practice (and extra defense against BS lawsuits that people like you would bring) to have some other reason as a defense. Still, that doesn't change the fact that Wisconsin does not legally require a showing of cause to fire someone. Just because people try to work the system, and many people in HR are scared to death of lawsuits (probably because of people like you) that doesn't change the facts.

I'd love to see some evidence to backup your claims. I bet there are a ton of cases get thrown out without so much as a dime being paid because people like you think they have a case. You seem so sure though, perhaps you have compiled data on successful race-based discriminations for simple firings?

Easy on the personal shots pal. I have NEVER filed a lawsuit against anyone. I was just trying to make the point that you can't fire people FOR NO REASON. Yes, it absurd. This whole conversation is pointless and stupid. But I am not the one who made the retarded statement that you can fire someone without reason. Sure, you can lie and make up some BS reason. But then what is the real reason? You're a racist?

Since you know everything, you show me your stats. You know, the ones that show how many people get fired every year FOR NO REASON WHAT-SO-EVER!

[sharpe1027]

Ha ha ha ha. So you fire someone, let's say a black woman, for NO REASON AT ALL. She then claims racism and you takes you to court. Your defense is going to be WE FIRED HER FOR NO REASON! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Please, hire my wife and then fire her for no reason. What a great way to earn free money! HA HA HA HA HA HA.


Easy on the personal shots pal. I have NEVER filed a lawsuit against anyone. I was just trying to make the point that you can't fire people FOR NO REASON. Yes, it absurd. This whole conversation is pointless and stupid. But I am not the one who made the retarded statement that you can fire someone without reason. Since you know everything, you show me your stats. You know, the ones that show how many people get fired every year FOR NO REASON WHAT-SO-EVER!

The law is what it is. Stats won't change it.

[gbpackfan]

Ha ha ha ha. So you fire someone, let's say a black woman, for NO REASON AT ALL. She then claims racism and you takes you to court. Your defense is going to be WE FIRED HER FOR NO REASON! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Please, hire my wife and then fire her for no reason. What a great way to earn free money! HA HA HA HA HA HA.


Easy on the personal shots pal. I have NEVER filed a lawsuit against anyone. I was just trying to make the point that you can't fire people FOR NO REASON. Yes, it absurd. This whole conversation is pointless and stupid. But I am not the one who made the retarded statement that you can fire someone without reason. Since you know everything, you show me your stats. You know, the ones that show how many people get fired every year FOR NO REASON WHAT-SO-EVER!

The law is what it is. Stats won't change it.

The law is what 12 people say it is.

[Smidgeon]

Ha ha ha ha. So you fire someone, let's say a black woman, for NO REASON AT ALL. She then claims racism and you takes you to court. Your defense is going to be WE FIRED HER FOR NO REASON! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Please, hire my wife and then fire her for no reason. What a great way to earn free money! HA HA HA HA HA HA.


Easy on the personal shots pal. I have NEVER filed a lawsuit against anyone. I was just trying to make the point that you can't fire people FOR NO REASON. Yes, it absurd. This whole conversation is pointless and stupid. But I am not the one who made the retarded statement that you can fire someone without reason. Since you know everything, you show me your stats. You know, the ones that show how many people get fired every year FOR NO REASON WHAT-SO-EVER!

The law is what it is. Stats won't change it.

The law is what 12 people say it is.

12 people prove guilt. They don't change the law (except in the rare unprecedented cases, in which case it's history that changes the law rather than 12 people.)

[MOBB DEEP]

Dayum....

BRING BLACK RHODES...

[pbmax]

So you can legally be fired for being black in Wisconsin? You can be legally be fired for being Jewish? You can legally be fired for being a woman? Your statement is completely false. And for your sake, and your company's, I hope you aren't in HR. You better have a valid reason for firing someone and you better have a paper trail detailing EVERYTHING.
No. Anti-discrimination laws and Federal civil right laws prevent you for being fired for reasons of race, creed, religion, etc. But the burden of proof is on the plaintiff in those cases, to prove that the reason for dismissal was invalid according to the law.

Employment at will means in most cases, the employer does not need to meet a burden of proof to enforce its decision or protect itself. If one party takes further action (unemployment claim, files suit for wrongful termination) then you may need to have your ducks in a row.

And it isn't just Wisconsin. Most states are at will employment these days. Right to Work laws have been coming off the books for some time.

[Willard]

Regarding the credibility of this fine stadium debris collector -- did anyone else find this comment rather unusual:
"This was going to be my last year," said Wood, who said he had been working for the Packers for at least 22 years and as many as 25. "The truth is it was starting to get to me, the cold weather and so on," he said.

This guy doesnt know how long he has worked for the Pack? His dream job? He can only narrow it down to a 3-year window? I definitely want to hear more from this cat. This has the potential to get better and better. I smell a reality TV show.......

[SnakeLH2006]

All those who ripped Sherman for not having thick skin can now bag on MM

Snake always like Shermy the Head Coach (winner...players respected him) but not as GM. MM keeps sliding lower and lower every week. Seriously watch his show. It's terrible. Larry McCarreeren is now throwing him under the bus with the penalties and sacks. Fans do too on there. McFatty looks clueless in response. "We'll continue to work on it. It's a work in progress."

McFatty just sucks. Way in over his head. Bring on Cowher Power Snake says! Go eat a cheeseburger with Partial, McFatty. I'm sure Partial can tell you how you can utilize Arod better by benching him for the weak-armed backup QB after 10 doublecheeseburgers or so. :shock:

[Kiwon]

All those who ripped Sherman for not having thick skin can now bag on MM

Those pesky sportswriters and their cell phones they forget to turn off.

[CaliforniaCheez]

I've seen several situations like these happen and can see it from both sides.

1) There was a meeting with the grounds crew. One can assume during a meeting employees can speak.

2) Woody was sitting on the cart during the meeting and when the remark was made. That is very bad form. When someone high up has a meeting you better be on your feet. This obviously gave a very bad impression of a lazy and disrespectful employee. Just like the military senior people do not reprimand those who sit they get those who should have had the group standing to discipline the group.

This is no small thing! Being on you feet is a sign of respect, attentiveness, and enthusiasm for working.

3) Everyone in an organization should share common goals. McCarthy should appreciate demonstrative enthusiastic remarks among the grounds crew.
Part time low level employees make not be the most articulate speakers but crushing their desire to express organizational goals is very bad management. Most upper management people want to hear the chears of the peons.

4) My view of this is that it is a big misunderstanding. I think Woody used a vulgar word other than butt in his "kick butt" remark. McCarthy likely was not paying that closs attention and misheard the remark. A misconception was formed.

5) As with many organizations there is no mole hill so small that it cannot be made into a mountain. When McCarthy spoke to the head of the grounds dept it was blown out of proportion.

6) There are plenty of people willing to go to Lambeau Field on game day and pick up debris and tring endzone netting for free, let alone get paid for it. Getting another person off the street to do it is no problem.

7) These stories will isolate McCarthy. Fewer people will be saying "Good Morning" or anything to McCarthy. His whole world got colder. That is bad for everyone.

[Fritz]

I've seen several situations like these happen and can see it from both sides.

1) There was a meeting with the grounds crew. One can assume during a meeting employees can speak.

2) Woody was sitting on the cart during the meeting and when the remark was made. That is very bad form. When someone high up has a meeting you better be on your feet. This obviously gave a very bad impression of a lazy and disrespectful employee. Just like the military senior people do not reprimand those who sit they get those who should have had the group standing to discipline the group.

This is no small thing! Being on you feet is a sign of respect, attentiveness, and enthusiasm for working.

3) Everyone in an organization should share common goals. McCarthy should appreciate demonstrative enthusiastic remarks among the grounds crew.
Part time low level employees make not be the most articulate speakers but crushing their desire to express organizational goals is very bad management. Most upper management people want to hear the chears of the peons.

4) My view of this is that it is a big misunderstanding. I think Woody used a vulgar word other than butt in his "kick butt" remark. McCarthy likely was not paying that closs attention and misheard the remark. A misconception was formed.

5) As with many organizations there is no mole hill so small that it cannot be made into a mountain. When McCarthy spoke to the head of the grounds dept it was blown out of proportion.

6) There are plenty of people willing to go to Lambeau Field on game day and pick up debris and tring endzone netting for free, let alone get paid for it. Getting another person off the street to do it is no problem.

7) These stories will isolate McCarthy. Fewer people will be saying "Good Morning" or anything to McCarthy. His whole world got colder. That is bad for everyone.

Excellent point. And the only, only cure for this - for all of it - is winning. The potion for disaster has been mixed and is ready; the only anti-dote is winning.

They lose Sunday, and the negativity and ill-will is going to skyrocket. They lose to SF the following week too, and we might as well start a pool as to who the next Packer coach will be and another pool as to whether TT will survive. They lose the next two weeks and the season is toast.

If there were signs that the team was improving I might say otherwise. If there was improvement in special teams, even a little, or on the offensive line, or in the pass rush. But there is zero indication in the last two games that anything's being fixed.

We've gone from having reason for optimism to having nothing but hope - the kind of hope I have of winning the lottery. It could happen but I got no reason to think it will.

It's down to hoping that two rookies can change the fortune of this team: a fourth round offensive lineman and a seventh round linebacker.

[sharpe1027]

The law is what 12 people say it is.

No. The outcome of disputed facts is what 12 people say it is, within reason.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. I agree it is smart practice to document things. But, if you fire someone for no reason, you are not breaking the law, period, end of story.

Now, if there is an allegation of some improper reason, then you might have broke the law for that allegation. Still, the question is never, ever, ever, whether our not you fired someone for no reason. You'll never get sued for that, period, end of story.

So, what is it that you are trying to say? That it is smart to have a reason for firing someone? Yes. That most, if not all, employers make sure they have a reason? Yes. Still, there is not a Wisconsin law that requires a reason to fire someone, period, end of story. Nothing you say will change that fact, unless you get the Wisconsin legislature to pass a new law.

[Partial]

Regarding the credibility of this fine stadium debris collector -- did anyone else find this comment rather unusual:
"This was going to be my last year," said Wood, who said he had been working for the Packers for at least 22 years and as many as 25. "The truth is it was starting to get to me, the cold weather and so on," he said.

This guy doesnt know how long he has worked for the Pack? His dream job? He can only narrow it down to a 3-year window? I definitely want to hear more from this cat. This has the potential to get better and better. I smell a reality TV show.......

Yeah I read that too and thought it was pretty messed up. Must not be a very bright guy.

[pbmax]

All those who ripped Sherman for not having thick skin can now bag on MM
They could, but McCarthy would still seem to be listening to peers and employees of the football business. Sherman isolated himself from both at times. No former coach has thrown McCarthy under the bus for not listening.

Although, I could see Jagodzinski being a smart aleck.

[rbaloha1]

Hopefully the worker is correct and awarded a huge settlement. IMO better ways to handle.

[Scott Campbell]

Hopefully the worker is correct and awarded a huge settlement. IMO better ways to handle.


Why would you want the Packers to get screwed?

[rbaloha1]

Hopefully the worker is correct and awarded a huge settlement. IMO better ways to handle.


Why would you want the Packers to get screwed?

All Packer workers need to be treated properly. If others are lying action needs to occur.

[Packers4Glory]

On Friday, McCarthy told reporters that he did have a conversation with Wood and later inquired about Wood's name to a supervisor, but denied any involvement in Wood's firing.

"He made a comment to me, I made a comment to him; it's not the worst thing that's been said, but I would not say it to a fellow employee," McCarthy said. "So that's as far as I want to go with it."

Asked if he had anything to do with Wood's firing, McCarthy said, "Absolutely not."

"Like I said, it's not the worst thing that's been said, but I wouldn't say it to a fellow employee," McCarthy said.

McCarthy would not reveal what Wood said when asked directly about it. A team official had said that Wood's supervisors determined that he had made an inappropriate remark and he was fired.


wtf why wouldn't you reveal what was said? I mean a dude lost his job over it so why not come out w/ it?? Just makes you look worse and guilty of having something to do with it.

[esoxx]

This whole thing is embarrassing. McStubby has far more important things he should be concerned with beyond a PT worker's glib remark. It's pathetic.

[MOBB DEEP]

This whole thing is embarrassing. McStubby has far more important things he should be concerned with beyond a PT worker's glib remark. It's pathetic.

agreed

but u know in a few years (or maybe months) this mess will be hilarious

[denverYooper]

On Friday, McCarthy told reporters that he did have a conversation with Wood and later inquired about Wood's name to a supervisor, but denied any involvement in Wood's firing.

"He made a comment to me, I made a comment to him; it's not the worst thing that's been said, but I would not say it to a fellow employee," McCarthy said. "So that's as far as I want to go with it."

Asked if he had anything to do with Wood's firing, McCarthy said, "Absolutely not."

"Like I said, it's not the worst thing that's been said, but I wouldn't say it to a fellow employee," McCarthy said.

McCarthy would not reveal what Wood said when asked directly about it. A team official had said that Wood's supervisors determined that he had made an inappropriate remark and he was fired.


wtf why wouldn't you reveal what was said? I mean a dude lost his job over it so why not come out w/ it?? Just makes you look worse and guilty of having something to do with it.

He's probably not allowed to disclose details because of some kind of company security policy. He's saying as much as he legally can about the matter. So I wouldn't read too much into that.

One thing that people seem to gloss over is that there were witnesses. I know that the Urinal-Scented likes to gloss over this fact to make it sound like a case of McCarthy being thin-skinned, but he apparently wasn't the only one who thought that Wood made a different comment that he suggested he did.

Additionally, the Packers were 4-2 at the time and hardly in hot water at that point. It's funny that the story didn't come out until they lost to Minnesota and then the crapper to Tampa.

You can make a lot of valid complaints about McCarthy's play calling, his inability to assess his staff (holding over unsuccessful coaches), or his questionable game management. I'm not sure I want the guy back next year for these reasons, but I think this story is sensationalistic garbage.

[MJZiggy]

On Friday, McCarthy told reporters that he did have a conversation with Wood and later inquired about Wood's name to a supervisor, but denied any involvement in Wood's firing.

"He made a comment to me, I made a comment to him; it's not the worst thing that's been said, but I would not say it to a fellow employee," McCarthy said. "So that's as far as I want to go with it."

Asked if he had anything to do with Wood's firing, McCarthy said, "Absolutely not."

"Like I said, it's not the worst thing that's been said, but I wouldn't say it to a fellow employee," McCarthy said.

McCarthy would not reveal what Wood said when asked directly about it. A team official had said that Wood's supervisors determined that he had made an inappropriate remark and he was fired.


wtf why wouldn't you reveal what was said? I mean a dude lost his job over it so why not come out w/ it?? Just makes you look worse and guilty of having something to do with it.

He's probably not allowed to disclose details because of some kind of company security policy. He's saying as much as he legally can about the matter. So I wouldn't read too much into that.

One thing that people seem to gloss over is that there were witnesses. I know that the Urinal-Scented likes to gloss over this fact to make it sound like a case of McCarthy being thin-skinned, but he apparently wasn't the only one who thought that Wood made a different comment that he suggested he did.

Additionally, the Packers were 4-2 at the time and hardly in hot water at that point. It's funny that the story didn't come out until they lost to Minnesota and then the crapper to Tampa.

You can make a lot of valid complaints about McCarthy's play calling, his inability to assess his staff (holding over unsuccessful coaches), or his questionable game management. I'm not sure I want the guy back next year for these reasons, but I think this story is sensationalistic garbage.

:bclap: McCarthy isn't going to say anything publicly in case this guy decides to sue the team about it. Protecting the team and staying out of the publicity war. Perhaps they learned something from their last PR nightmare.

[MOBB DEEP]

wonder how this guy is doing now and is he happy with the way the season progressed

Fatboy may want to thank him for lighting a fire under his butt lol