Week 13 Playoff Positions

[CaliforniaCheez]

Week 13

NFC

1) Saints 12-0, Con(8-0), Div(3-0), SOV .389, SOS .389, Record > vikings
2) vikings 10-2, Con(8-1), Div(5-0), SOV .358, SOS .395, Record > Cowboys H2H > Packers

Division Leaders (Cowboys by fingernails)
3) Cardinals 8-4, Con(6-2), Div(3-1), SOV.469, SOS .500, Conference Record > Cowboys
4) Cowboys 8-4, Con(6-3), Div (2-2), SOV .365, SOS .451, Head to Head win over Eagles

Wild Card
5) Eagles 8-4, Con (7-2), Div (3-1), SOV .344, SOS .458, Conference Record > Packers
6) Packers 8-4, Con(6-3), Div (3-2), SOV .313, SOS .417, Conference Record > Giants

The Rest in Order:
7) Giants 7-5, Con (5-3), Div (3-1), SOV .393, SOS .542, Record > ATL, H2H > Cowboys
8) Falcons 6-6, Con(5-5), Div (2-2), SOV .347, SOS .500, Record > CAR, Div+Con < CAR
9) Panthers 5-7, Con(5-4), Div(3-2), SOV .317, SOS .479, Conference Record > 49'ers
10) 49'ers 5-7, Con(4-4), Div (3-1), SOV .433, SOS .535, Div Record > Seahawks
11) Seahawks 5-7, Con(4-6), Div(3-3), SOV .267, SOS .500, Conference Record > Bears
12) Bears 5-7, Con (3-6), Div (1-2), SOV .250, SOS .479, Record > Redskins
13) Redskins 3-9, Con(2-8), Div(0-4), SOV .278, SOS .479, Record > Det; DET H2H > Wash
14) Lions 2-10, Con (1-8), Div (0-5), SOV .167, SOS .542, Record > Buccaneers
15) Bucaneers 1-11 Con(1-8), Div(0-4) SOV .667, SOS .549, Conference Record > Rams
16) Rams 1-11, Con (1-9), Div (0-4), SOV .167, SOS .569,


AFC

1) Colts 12-0, Con (8-0), Div (5-0), SOV .451, SOS .451, Record > Chargers
2) Chargers 9-3, Con(7-3) Div (5-1), SOV .407, SOS .444, Conference Record > Bengals

Divisional Leaders
3) Bengals 9-3, Con(6-3), Div (6-0), SOV .380, SOS .403, Record > Patriots
4) Patriots 7-5, Con(5-4) Div (3-2), SOV .405, SOS .542, Div Record > Jets

Wild Cards
5) Broncos 8-4, Con(6-3), Div (3-1), SOV .500, SOS .500, Record > Jaguars
6) Jaguars 7-5, Con(6-2), Div (3-2), SOV .369, SOS .444, Record > Ravens

The Rest in Order:
7) Ravens 6-6, Con (6-4), Div (1-2), SOV .389, SOS .576, Conference Record > Dolphins
8) Dolphins 6-6 Con(4-4), Div (4-2), SOV .403, SOS .549. Sweep of Jets
9) Jets 6-6, Con (5-5), Div (1-4), SOV .417, SOS .431, Conference Record > Steelers
10) Steelers 6-6, Con(4-5), Div(1-2), SOV .486, SOS .542, Record > Titans
11) Titans 5-7, Con (1-4), Div (1-4), SOV .483, SOS .583, Div Record > Texans
12) Texans 5-7, Con (4-6), Div (1-5), SOV .450, SOS .583, Record > Raiders
13) Raiders 4-8, Con(3-6), Div (1-4), SOV .542, SOS .563, Conf Record > Bills
14) Bills 4-8, Con (2-7), Div (2-3), SOV .375, SOS .368, Record > Chiefs
15) Chiefs 3-9, Con (2-6), Div (1-4), SOV .361, SOS .549, Record > Browns
16) Browns 1-11, Con(1-7), Div (0-5), SOV .333, SOS .569,


Top of the draft order:

1) Buccaneers 1-11, SOS .549
2) Browns 1-11, SOS .569 (Coin Flip)
3) Rams 1-11, SOS .569 (Coin Flip)
4) Lions 2-10, SOS .542
5) Redskins 3-9, SOS .479
6) Chiefs 3-9, SOS .549
7) Bills 4-8, SOS .368
8) Raiders 4-8, SOS .563
9) Bears 5-7, SOS .479 (Coin Flip)
10) Panthers 5-7, SOS .479 (Coin Flip)
11) Seahawks 5-7, SOS .500
12) 49'ers 5-7, SOS .535
13) Texans 5-7, SOS .583 (Coin Flip)
14) Titans 5-7, SOS .583 (Coin Flip)
15) Jets 6-6, SOS .431
16) Falcons 6-6, SOS .500
17) Steelers 6-6, SOS .542
18) Dolphins 6-6, SOS .549
19) Ravens 6-6, SOS .576
20) Giants 7-5, SOS .542

[CaliforniaCheez]

This week (assuming the Packer beat the Bears) you want the Chargers to beat the Cowboys making the Cowboys 8-5.

Scenario 1
This week if the Giants beat the Eagles, and the Cowboys lose, The Giants, Cowboys and Eagles are tied.
The Giants are 8-5, #1 in the East with a better division record than the Eagles (they split the season) and the Giants have a sweep over the Cowboys.
The Cowboys have a head to head win over the Eagles.

If the Packers win they are the #1 Wild Card and a game lead over those NFC East teams. the Giants lead the East, the Cowboys are #2 Wild Card, and the Eagles are then the team on the outside.

-Packers lose
The Eagles have a higher strength of Victory over the Packers if the Packers lose. And the Packers are out of playoff position. Giants lead their division and the Cowboys and Eagles are the Wild Cards.



Scenario 2
If the Eagles beat the Giants and the Cowboys lose to the Chargers. The Eagles then move ahead of the Cowboys. A Packer win puts them a game ahead of the Cowboys for #1 Wild Card.

A Packer loss puts them at a tie with the Cowboys which is broken by the head to head win. The Packers would still be #1 Wild Card.
The Giants remain out of position.


Scenario 3
If the Eagles beat the Giants and the Cowboys beat the Chargers. The Cowboys lead the East, the Eagles have the #1 Wild Card, and the Packers remain the #2 Wild Card. The Giants are 2 games back of the Packers if the Packers win and only 1 game back if the Packers lose.

In summary this week:
#1 priority is Packers beating the Bears.
#2 priority is the Chargers beating the Cowboys.
#3 priority is Giants beating the Eagles.

You want the Saints to beat the Falcons and the Bengals to beat the vikings.

After this week:
The Cowboys also visit the Saints, Redskins and host the Eagles.
The Eagles host the 49'ers and Broncos before visiting Dallas.
The Giants would visit Washington, host Carolina, and visit the vikings(you don't want to hope for a viking win at the end of the season.)


Clear as Mud?

[sepporepi]

Great Thread!

But i am not sure you got sceanrio 1 right.


The Cowboys have a head to head win over the Eagles. The Eagles have a higher strength of Victory over the Packers.

First:
If the Packers win this week the will habe a 9-4 record better than any NFC East Team in Sceanrio 1.

Second:
If the Packers lose, they also stand at 8-5, but will get the #5 seed, because of the sweep of the Cowboys.

From NFL.com:

Three or More Clubs
1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)

So with the Giants beeing the Divison Leader, Dallas would advance from step 1 and lose against the Packers in step 2.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Oops.

I should not try to do too much after the game except more proofreading.

[ND72]

This is one of those, what would we want. I think round 1, we would stand a better chance of playing Arizona round 1 than playing at any of the NFC East Divisional winners. But, round 2, I'd rather play Minnesota than New Orleans, which means we'd have to be the 5 seed to get that. But obviously, I'll take who ever it may be if it means being in the playoffs.

[pbmax]

I already will miss this thread in the offseason. Nothing is better than playing winning football in December. Thanks Cheez.

[red]

so we want the eagles to win that division

[CaliforniaCheez]

so we want the eagles to win that division

If the Giants win this week and Dallas loses, the Giants take over the lead in the division and a Packer win puts Green Bay a game ahead of them all.

The main thing is that the Cowboys not win the division.
Those teams still have a lot of beating up on each other to go.

Let's just take it one week at a time. Go Chargers, Go Giants, Go Bengals, Go Saints, and of course Go Pack Go.

[sepporepi]

I'd rather play Minnesota than New Orleans, which means we'd have to be the 5 seed to get that.

Actually you have no control as 5th who you get in the divisional round.
If in the other game the 3rd seed wins you get, the 1st seed, if the 6th wins you get the 2nd seed.

So if you want the Packers not to play the Saints and assuming Saints get the 1st seed, you have to hope the 6th seed (and of curse the 5th seed Packers) win in the wildcard games.

[steve823]

Nice job on the thread again cheez. Let's Go PACK!

On a side note..anyone know how hard it would be to get playoff tickets?

I really want to get tickets to a game, but considering I'm in PA now and will be back in NJ until Jan 19th most games will be considerably far. ..unless the Giants or Eagles win the divison and we play them!

[packers11]

whats the golden number for us to get into a wildcard spot? 10 wins?

[HarveyWallbangers]

At this point, I'm rooting for the Eagles to win that division. I want a Giants and Cowboys loss to give us some breathing room. A win would give us a two game lead over the Giants and give us a one game lead (with the tiebreaker) over the Cowboys.

[mraynrand]

At this point, I'm rooting for the Eagles to win that division. I want a Giants and Cowboys loss to give us some breathing room. A win would give us a two game lead over the Giants and give us a one game lead (with the tiebreaker) over the Cowboys.

At Philly or at AZ. That game at AZ could be weird. Possibly playing a resting AZ team to chose whether to go back and play an interested AZ team or to go play at Philly. Either way, we win that first game, we're probably heading to N.O.

[steve823]

I'd rather play Philly then Arizona IMO.

Warner plays his best when he gets blitzed, which was displayed during the Viking game. Our defense blitzes a decent amount with our new scheme. Also, Arizona is too streaky and they can come out amazing one game and then horrible the next. Plus, if we keep picking up blitzes nicely, pass protect, and AR gets rid of the ball quickly like we have been doing recently, the Eagles blitz packages don't appear to be much of a problem

[TennesseePackerBacker]

I'd rather play Philly then Arizona IMO.

Warner plays his best when he gets blitzed, which was displayed during the Viking game. Our defense blitzes a decent amount with our new scheme. Also, Arizona is too streaky and they can come out amazing one game and then horrible the next. Plus, if we keep picking up blitzes nicely, pass protect, and AR gets rid of the ball quickly like we have been doing recently, the Eagles blitz packages don't appear to be much of a problem

Honestly, I'd love to play the Eagles the most. Followed by, Arizona, Dallas(two times can be tough), and then the Giants(That D-line could dismantle our O).

Be careful what you wish for though...Any of the wild-card games should provide a stiff test for the Packers. Thankfully, we're hot right now. We need to keep that going and pray the injury bug stays away.

[Smidgeon]

We need to keep that going and pray the injury bug stays away.

You mean the injury bug has stayed away so far?

**cough**HarrisandKampman**cough**cough** **cough**BlackmanandLee**cough**

Sorry. I had something in my throat. Carry on.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

We need to keep that going and pray the injury bug stays away.

You mean the injury bug has stayed away so far?

**cough**HarrisandKampman**cough**cough** **cough**BlackmanandLee**cough**

Sorry. I had something in my throat. Carry on.

Well, Kampman was a blessing in disguise. But, compared to most teams we have seen relatively few injuries. With Lee we have no idea of what we have. Sure, he's lost a year of development, but he's so raw would he be starting over Bush anyway? Harris of course was a major blow. Blackmon? I dunno, he can't cover worth a squat. We obviously miss him in the return game. Jordy is just too slow.

[Smidgeon]

We need to keep that going and pray the injury bug stays away.

You mean the injury bug has stayed away so far?

**cough**HarrisandKampman**cough**cough** **cough**BlackmanandLee**cough**

Sorry. I had something in my throat. Carry on.

Well, Kampman was a blessing in disguise. But, compared to most teams we have seen relatively few injuries. With Lee we have no idea of what we have. Sure, he's lost a year of development, but he's so raw would he be starting over Bush anyway? Harris of course was a major blow. Blackmon? I dunno, he can't cover worth a squat. We obviously miss him in the return game. Jordy is just too slow.

My point with Blackman and Lee wasn't so much that GB lost their specific talent, but that they were penciled in as the #4 and #5 CBs. And we lost one of the starting CBs. So the team has one position that's been practically decimated with only 2 of the top 5 not on IR. Then there is the individual talent loss from Blackman on special teams.

[steve823]

Man I always forget about Lee. Hopefully he'll show up in our new scheme and develop into a good corner and replace harris and woodson alongside williams..15 years from now of course..because harris and woodson don't age.

[hoosier]

Pickett and Raji both suffered injuries on Monday night. Pickett's is a hamstring, Raji's an ankle. Pickett has historically been a quick healer so hopefully he's ready to go by Sunday and doesn't aggravate it any by playing. If the Packers got really unlucky and neither was ready to go, I would rather see them go to nickel with Jolly and Jenkins at DTs (and possibly subbing Chillar for Bigby) instead of trying to put Jolly or Jenkins at NT. It would also not be surprising to see the Bears miserable running attack continue to suck this Sunday regardless of who the Pack puts in there.

[CaliforniaCheez]

At this point, I'm rooting for the Eagles to win that division. I want a Giants and Cowboys loss to give us some breathing room. A win would give us a two game lead over the Giants and give us a one game lead (with the tiebreaker) over the Cowboys.

I cannot believe some of you are worried about the Steelers. They have lost to the Bears, Raiders, Chiefs, and Browns.

***EDIT***
A Giants win over the Eagles both are 8-5
A Charger win over the Cowboys the Cowboys are 8-5

Giants have the tiebreaker over the Cowboys due to sweep.
Cowboys have head to head win over Eagles.
Eagles have a better Conference Record than the Giants.

Head to head wins are better tiebrekers than Conference record.
Knocks the Eagles out of playoff position, gives the Giants the division lead, and should keep the Cowboys behind the Packers for the rest of the season.

[gbgary]

A Giants win over the Eagles
A Charger win over the Cowboys
and a Packers win over the Bears

Knocks the Eagles out of playoff position, gives the Giants the division lead, and should keep the Cowboys behind the Packers for the rest of the season.

i'll be watching for this to play out. btw...what does sov and sos stand for?

[CaliforniaCheez]

SOV = Strentgh of Victory. The combined winning percentage of teams defeated.

SOS = Strength of Schedule The winning percentage of all teams played.

[gbgary]

Thanks!!