chillar signs extension

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Packers sign Chillar to long-term contract
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on December 14, 2009 11:20 AM ET
Even without Aaron Kampman, the Packers have found more than enough quality pieces at linebacker for their new 3-4 defense.

Now they are making sure they keep one of those pieces in town for a long time.

The Packers re-signed Brandon Chillar to a four-year, $21 million contract, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN. $7 million is guaranteed.

Chillar is a key member of Green Bay's special teams, and a big part of Green Bay's nickel defense. He often rotates at inside linebacker with A.J. Hawk and has started four games. This is not a special teamer's contract, and it's worth wondering how this deal could affect Hawk down the line.

Hawk's salary bumps up to $4.1 million in 2010, and then will have to be restructured before 2011 when it jumps to $10 million.

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i can think of a few other guys i would have wanted to see resigned before chillar

but oh well, he's a good player

now they need to get collins wrapped up ASAP

[pbmax]

Chillar is fine. Please get Collins Ted.

[Spaulding]

I hope for Pickett next. Class guy and I don't see him getting fat on a new contract and diminishing.

I'd love to see Collins locked up but with the unknown of next year being uncapped and Collins then stuck for six years until FA, I could see him asking for too much and TT not willing to break the bank on him.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Is there any reason for the delay on Collins? He's a gamer!

[gbgary]

good! they need to sign up a few more. screw the rest of the owners. :)

[RashanGary]

Good move. Pickett and Chillar are the two UFA's I really don't want to lose. One is a base defense specialist and one is a sub defense specialist, but both are very good at what they do.

The other guys are restricted. They can start working out deals in the offseason with no real worry about losing anyone.

[rbaloha1]

Wow! Overpaid imo.
Hawk has warranted his roster bonus. Agreed Pickett and Collins should be signed to extensions.

[gbgary]

Wow! Overpaid imo.
Hawk has warranted his roster bonus. Agreed Pickett and Collins should be signed to extensions.

gotta do, what you gotta do, to get people to play in GB. Packers have the $ so no big deal.

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I'd like to see how the payout is broken down on this one... is there a lot of front loaded money that would count against this year's free $15m under the cap?



Here's what I'm thinking:

4yrs/21mil/7guaranteed sounds like the kind of contract the guy would get on the FA market. Maybe even a little under that. Instead of losing the guy to FA, we can sign him for a competitive contract and try to get a 3rd round pick or developing player out of him in trade. It also gives us more leverage in the Hawk contract situation in that we'll probably want him to sign a new contract/restructure or get cut since we have options at ILB in case that trade doesn't come through.

I have a hard time seeing TT do this contract without a bigger picture in mind. They must know he has some FA value/interest and locking him in can benefit us later.

Have a hard time seeing this contract was to make Chillar a Packer for the next four seasons. Good chance I could be wrong though.

[bobblehead]

Wow! Overpaid imo.
Hawk has warranted his roster bonus. Agreed Pickett and Collins should be signed to extensions.

Really?? The guy who was stealing all of Hawks snaps until he got injured doesn't deserve it but hawk does? This is a very average contract for a guy like Chillar. We got a decent deal, and so did he.

[Smidgeon]

I personally think that if TT fails to tie up Collins long term (and by all means he has plenty of time to do this) that would be his biggest gaffe of all as the GB GM. Collins has shown that he's a gamer in multiple schemes (instead of being a product of a scheme) and has gotten better year after year. I'm not down on TT for not making sure it's gotten done yet and as I've stated I believe he has plenty of time to get it done. I am simply stating how big I think wrapping up Collins is.

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I personally think that if TT fails to tie up Collins long term (and by all means he has plenty of time to do this) that would be his biggest gaffe of all as the GB GM. Collins has shown that he's a gamer in multiple schemes (instead of being a product of a scheme) and has gotten better year after year. I'm not down on TT for not making sure it's gotten done yet and as I've stated I believe he has plenty of time to get it done. I am simply stating how big I think wrapping up Collins is.

People aren't realizing Chillar and Collins are NOT in the exact same situation. Collins is not a UFA next season. We can match any offer and keep him in Green Bay. He's not going to get away, I guarantee that.

What I'm guessing with the Collins situation is that he wants 5 years, top-3 safety money and we want to pay 4 years top-6 safety money. Collins' statistics and production make this a more difficult deal to get done because of the possible differences in sides and the fact that the Packers really, from a business standpoint, don't actually have to make any offer right now.

I get what people are saying about rewarding players and taking care of the right guys at the right time, and I think Collins is one of those who should be rewarded... hopefully guys in the locker room understand the business side of this and it doesn't create any problems.

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I guess 9.5 mil gets paid out before the end of next season (uncapped) so that leaves 3.8 mil a year to be paid the final three seasons, which is definitely going to be way under market value by that point.

Who knows? :?:

[pbmax]

True about Collins. Without a CBA agreement and extension, he will not have the leverage of an UFA. And I actually doubt T2 will do something until it needs to get done. But of all the FAs, he is the one I would prefer not to see get his nose out of joint. He is performing as he should. If we were going to overpay, this is the guy. Not by Woodson standards, but like Harris and Driver, I would pay a hometown bonus for him.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Some of you may be missing the larger picture.

1) The Packers (meaning GM Ted Thompson) are acting like there will be an uncapped year and that a new CBA is not going to happen before next season.

2) If there is no CBA players with less than 6 full seasons without contracts are restricted free agents. No player drafted by Ted Thompson has to be extended unless it is cheaper to do so (Aaron Rodgers).

3) As the NFL's youngest team, the Packers have an above average number of players with less than 6 full seasons. That reduces the cost of players. Starters like Sitton save money.

4) There is a plan and strategy at work. Don't worry.

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Wow! Overpaid imo.
Hawk has warranted his roster bonus. Agreed Pickett and Collins should be signed to extensions.

thats what i'm thinking

5 million a year for a special teams guy. that seems nuts

and no, he is not better then hawk. AJ has elevated his game this year

i like the guy, but i don't like him more then barnett or hawk, and i'd say its a toss up between him and bishop

a lot of money for a backup

[Smidgeon]

5 million a year for a special teams guy. that seems nuts

a lot of money for a backup

Well, it would be a lot of money if he was just a backup and only saw the field as a special teamer. But neither are true. He sees the field a lot and is a "starter" in certain packages. He isn't a backup who only sees the field when a player above him gets injured. He's a cog on this defense just like Barnett, Hawk, Jolly, Pickett, etc. He has a skill set that is being specifically used and isn't just filling in when there's no one else to play.

[Waldo]

But of all the FAs, he is the one (Collins) I would prefer not to see get his nose out of joint.

Tramon for me. He is the 2nd hardest to find player type of all our FA's (cover corner that can catch), and plays a more premium position.

[Waldo]

a lot of money for a backup

The cap has gone up to the point where the average player on defense of the top 14 (considering #3 CB, #5 LB, and #4 DL plus the starters to be the top 14) should make about 4.2M/yr in 2010 cap dollars, stars make more, rookie contract guys less, role players about the average.

4.2M/yr in 2010 cap dollars is roughly equivalent to 3.4M/yr in 2006 cap dollars.

Either this deal has a big final year inflation or there are unreported (thus far) incentives. I bet when the smoke clears the deal will average between 4-4.5M/yr for the first 3 years of it.

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Like I said... 3.8 a year over the final three years

[RashanGary]

I'm a big Chillar fan. Good in pass pro, good at pass rush, good at ST's.

He's the ideal nickle linebacker and an ideal veteran special teams player that you can count on. Smidgeon said it well, he's not a backup. He's a guy that plays and plays well in a good portion of defensive snaps and on all ST's.

Similar to a nickle back, pass rush specialist or run stop specialist. He plays.

[bobblehead]

Wow! Overpaid imo.
Hawk has warranted his roster bonus. Agreed Pickett and Collins should be signed to extensions.

thats what i'm thinking

5 million a year for a special teams guy. that seems nuts

and no, he is not better then hawk. AJ has elevated his game this year

i like the guy, but i don't like him more then barnett or hawk, and i'd say its a toss up between him and bishop

a lot of money for a backup

Hawk has indeed upped his game....right after Chillar's injury allowed him a second chance. Chillar plays just as many snaps as hawk. He also plays ST (not a bragging right on this team). Right now, in my view he and hawk are equals. Barnett is clearly better than both.

finally if you think Chillar is the same as Bishop you are flat out nuts.

[hoosier]

True about Collins. Without a CBA agreement and extension, he will not have the leverage of an UFA. And I actually doubt T2 will do something until it needs to get done. But of all the FAs, he is the one I would prefer not to see get his nose out of joint. He is performing as he should. If we were going to overpay, this is the guy. Not by Woodson standards, but like Harris and Driver, I would pay a hometown bonus for him.

Speaking of Woodson, I think you could almost--ALMOST--argue that he is in fact underpaid now. :lol: At the very least, and against all expectations, he turned out to be worth every last dime the Packers are paying him.

I hope the Packers don't overpay Collins for the same reason that I hope TT doesn't decide to play real hardball with him. My gut tells me that approach would backfire with NC, and for the same reason I am not sure that he is yet mature enough to be counted on not to let a big payday go to his head. If they have to overpay him, make it incentive based or make it easy to cut him if need be.

[Smidgeon]

True about Collins. Without a CBA agreement and extension, he will not have the leverage of an UFA. And I actually doubt T2 will do something until it needs to get done. But of all the FAs, he is the one I would prefer not to see get his nose out of joint. He is performing as he should. If we were going to overpay, this is the guy. Not by Woodson standards, but like Harris and Driver, I would pay a hometown bonus for him.

Speaking of Woodson, I think you could almost--ALMOST--argue that he is in fact underpaid now. :lol: At the very least, and against all expectations, he turned out to be worth every last dime the Packers are paying him.

I hope the Packers don't overpay Collins for the same reason that I hope TT doesn't decide to play real hardball with him. My gut tells me that approach would backfire with NC, and for the same reason I am not sure that he is yet mature enough to be counted on not to let a big payday go to his head. If they have to overpay him, make it incentive based or make it easy to cut him if need be.

Collins isn't the type that strikes me as letting money affect his play. He's been playing so well, doesn't take plays off, and has too much talent for him to backslide. He strikes me as someone who doesn't make excuses (**cough**Corey"I'm-getting-double-teamed-and-am-not-in-the-right-scheme"Williams**cough**) and has too much pride to let money affect his play. I think he really has a burning desire to be the best at what he does. I think the only thing with him is that he might not care which team he's the best for. I think he'd prefer to remain with the Packers, but if another team will pay him, he'll go there, but his priority is to be the best safety there is.

It's all speculation, but he strikes me as someone whose play is motivated by something other than compensation.

[Guiness]

I'm not clear on Collin's contract situation? I know it depends on CBA/no-CBA next year. This is his 5th year in the league, 2010 will be his sixth.

Here's my understanding, can someone correct me if I'm wrong?

If there is no CBA, he is an RFA or an exclusive rights FA? Either way, we can match any offer he gets.
If there is a CBA, he is an FA, but what kind of FA? Is he a full blown UFA?

[SkinBasket]

if we keep playing some 1-6 and 2-5 fronts, there's going to be a need for all our guys. Except Poppinga.

[Lurker64]

I'm not a huge fan of Chillar, but he's good enough in coverage and at blitzing to see the field in a bunch of specialty packages (take out one DL, put in Chillar and you're basically playing a big nickel). Still seems like a lot for a guy who wouldn't play much in base.

[Smidgeon]

I'm not a huge fan of Chillar, but he's good enough in coverage and at blitzing to see the field in a bunch of specialty packages (take out one DL, put in Chillar and you're basically playing a big nickel). Still seems like a lot for a guy who wouldn't play much in base.

GB doesn't play the majority of their snaps in base. At least, that was the last I heard.

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I'm not clear on Collin's contract situation? I know it depends on CBA/no-CBA next year. This is his 5th year in the league, 2010 will be his sixth.

Here's my understanding, can someone correct me if I'm wrong?

If there is no CBA, he is an RFA or an exclusive rights FA? Either way, we can match any offer he gets.
If there is a CBA, he is an FA, but what kind of FA? Is he a full blown UFA?

If there is no new CBA, he's a URFA. If there is one, he's a RFA.

[Bretsky]

good to have him signed; to me he seems like a 3-4MIL a year guy so first impression was we overpaid.......but we always have plenty of money so might as well use it.

I'm on board

[Lurker64]

I'm not clear on Collin's contract situation? I know it depends on CBA/no-CBA next year. This is his 5th year in the league, 2010 will be his sixth.

Here's my understanding, can someone correct me if I'm wrong?

If there is no CBA, he is an RFA or an exclusive rights FA? Either way, we can match any offer he gets.
If there is a CBA, he is an FA, but what kind of FA? Is he a full blown UFA?

If there is no new CBA, he's a URFA. If there is one, he's a RFA.

I figure the plan for Thompson currently is to tender him at the highest RFA tender if there is no CBA, and franchise him if there is a CBA. Either way it gives him a year to work on a longer term extension, while ensuring he is a Packer in the meantime.