Official Packers-Seahawks Thread

[OkayKyle]

Is there a way to find out how many games the Pack has received the kickoff to start the game? It has felt like it's been nearly every game that the Packers have started the game on offense. Can someone check on this?

[pbmax]

so far so good

we're winning big, and giants are losing big
JINX!

[Fred's Slacks]

Is there a way to find out how many games the Pack has received the kickoff to start the game? It has felt like it's been nearly every game that the Packers have started the game on offense. Can someone check on this?

I was thinking about posting that exact same question. We have an uncanny ability to win the opening toss. It seems that we rarely do anything with the opening possesion so in a way it's like kicking off to start both halfs. I'd like to see us defer to the second half.

[Brohm]

BUSH with a play :shock:

[pbmax]

Bush! Keeps his job for another week!

[gbgary]

bush...great coverage and fight for the ball

[imscott72]

Bush with a pick? Shit he prob just made the team next year.. :roll:

[Fred's Slacks]

Jarrett Bush makes a play!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

[Bossman641]

You know things are going well when Bush gets a pick

[TravisWilliams23]

Maybe a sign of things to come?

[OkayKyle]

OMG Bush got his head around BEFORE the ball got there, it hit him in the hands AND he caught it!!!! OMG OMG OMG

[pbmax]

But they kept talking about kicking the field goal since it was third down........

Yeah, I don't know what they were talking about. Billick can have some "duh" moments in the booth. I'm guessing he had some of that on the sidelines too.

Anyway, I agree with you. It was well managed by the Pack to get a shot at the touchdown and come away with 3 and no time left.
He does generally allow himself to be corrected instead of just pretending like it never happened like Michaels would do with Madden.

[packer4life]

BUSH FOR PRESIDENT...

clarification: JARRETT bush for pres hehe

[Fred's Slacks]

Maybe a sign of things to come?

:lol:

You're joking right?

[pbmax]

Maybe a sign of things to come?
Yes. The Apocalypse.

[TravisWilliams23]

Maybe a sign of things to come?

:lol:

You're joking right?

Praying :lol:

[imscott72]

I hate to say it, but after watching the replay of the pick, Bush really played it well..

[Fred's Slacks]

But they kept talking about kicking the field goal since it was third down........

Yeah, I don't know what they were talking about. Billick can have some "duh" moments in the booth. I'm guessing he had some of that on the sidelines too.

Anyway, I agree with you. It was well managed by the Pack to get a shot at the touchdown and come away with 3 and no time left.
He does generally allow himself to be corrected instead of just pretending like it never happened like Michaels would do with Madden.

True. I'll give him that. Not that I dislike Billick but there are very few TV announcers I actually like.

[pbmax]

Q if you could hold on to a pass, you would start and make the Pro Bowl.

[Brohm]

Finley can :D

[pbmax]

Great first down. Nice call and run by BJack.

[gbgary]

nice play by jackson. now let's get a td pass to jennings

[pbmax]

Nice eyes Brandon!!! TD!!

[Brohm]

BJax :shock: :D

[gbgary]

jackson again...i'll take it

[imscott72]

BJAX another!! DAGGER!!

[Bossman641]

Nice to see Jackson get a few TD's today

[pbmax]

The folks that were predicting a 30 point win will be enthused. Flynn needs to be in by the Fourth Quarter.

[packer4life]

hate to beat this into the ground, but does grant see that hole and score, or does he run into the pack and gain 2 per usual?

[Brohm]

Bigby x2!

[imscott72]

man, Hasselbeck is awful...Just awful..

[The Leaper]

Time for Hass to start thinking about retirement, methinks.

[pbmax]

Nice pick Atari. Now Packers get to saddle up the running game.

[gbgary]

way to go d

[imscott72]

Time to switch over to CBS and catch the rest of that good Raven/Steeler game. We gots this one in the bag.. :D

[green_bowl_packer]

Lets get Ahman a TD

[gbgary]

Nice pick Atari. Now Packers get to saddle up the running game.

that'll be a three and out. keep doing what we're doing.

[The Leaper]

Put up another score...make it 38-3...and get some of the starters out of there.

[TravisWilliams23]

What a difference a week makes.
Gotta give Capers credit for turning last weeks debacle into
this weeks glowing effort.

[gbgary]

way to put the jinx on AR mr announcer. :roll:

[Brohm]

BJax x3!!

[pbmax]

Great drive by the Packer O.

[imscott72]

What a difference a week makes.
Gotta give Capers credit for turning last weeks debacle into
this weeks glowing effort.

Keep in mind the quality of the opponent however. The Seachickens make a lot of people look good.

[gbgary]

nice to get a blow-out once in a while.

[pbmax]

Time for the Flynn era to begin.

[The Leaper]

Yeah...the Seahawks have had some success moving the football. Hass just keeps throwing picks.

Props to the defense for correcting early issues stopping the run...and taking advantage of mistakes by holding onto the INTs.

[The Leaper]

Time for the Flynn era to begin.

Amen...I don't want to see anymore of Rodgers.

[gbgary]

Time for the Flynn era to begin.

i hope not.

[pbmax]

Nice hiding B Jackson on that play, but I am not sure they fooled the DT on it!

[gbgary]

ya think who's-your-mamma is missing cincy? lol

[Brohm]

Nice stuff Raji :D

[gbgary]

mr matthews nearly

[Badgerinmaine]

ya think who's-your-mamma is missing cincy? lol
They may be missing HIM--they are tied with an awful Chiefs team in the 4th today.

[Brohm]

Chillar smoked em :shock:

[imscott72]

They're just teeing off now..Beautiful!

[packer4life]

haha looks like chillar forgot his celebration dance

[pbmax]

And Flynn is in.

[packer4life]

ARods qb rating today: 102.9

[The Leaper]

Hope we get to see some designed pass plays for Flynn in favorable down and distances...instead of run, run, pass against a 6 man rush.

[pbmax]

Tampa scores and is within 7 of N'orleans.

[Packman_26]

Giants now down 41-9

[imscott72]

Flynn throwing! :shock:

[TravisWilliams23]

This is the Packers Christmas present to us all.

2nd string QB gets to mop up all 4th quarter + Carolina
puts the cherry on top by knocking off the Giants.

We're in the Playoffs!!!

:lol:

[Brohm]

looks like MM's going to let Flynn run the offense instead of being a handoff machine

[The Leaper]

Nice throw Flynn.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

What a game! GO PACK GO!

[Packman_26]

Flynns arm strength seems improved by looking at that out he threw

[gbgary]

Flynn throwing! :shock:

needs to be throwing. 3 and out running won't help anyone.

[The Leaper]

McCarthy is doing the right thing here...letting Flynn gain some valuable experience throwing the ball.

[pbmax]

Brian Brohm 16/26 137 Yds 0 TDs 1 Int

[gbgary]

damm nice play by flynn

[Brohm]

Nice play Flynn :D

[pbmax]

Stay inbounds!

[imscott72]

Nice Flynn!

[The Leaper]

WOW...great play by Flynn.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Damn Flynn is a gamer.

[pbmax]

Clifton is out and Lang in at LT.

[Packman_26]

This most definitely doesn't look like the rookie that played against Tampa last year.
He might not ever be a viable starter but he surely is improved.

[pbmax]

Jackson had a big gain if he had stayed wide.

[gbgary]

mason needs this

[Brohm]

Come on Crosby....GOOD

[packer4life]

CROSBY!

[gbgary]

got it

[pbmax]

Nailed it. Over 50 I think.

[imscott72]

Yes..Get Mase some kicks..Well, it looked shaky but went through..Good job Mase!!

[The Leaper]

20 degrees...and that was good from 60.

Again...no reason to even CONSIDER dumping Crosby right now.

[packer4life]

Yes..Get Mase some kicks..Well, it looked shaky but went through..Good job Mase!!

beggars can't be choosers...this has to really bolster his shaky confidence

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Your avatar is my favorite Leaper.

[Badgerinmaine]

52 yarder for Crosby--gotta love that.

[imscott72]

Yes..Get Mase some kicks..Well, it looked shaky but went through..Good job Mase!!

beggars can't be choosers...this has to really bolster his shaky confidence

No doubt about it. I didn't realize it was 52 yards either. Great kick..

[The Leaper]

Yeah...I can't bring myself to get rid of it until Dallas finally does win a playoff game.

[pbmax]

The Packers don't so much hit on Special Teams as they swarm. Its not as dramatic, but its working today.

[The Leaper]

Crosby is mashing some nice kickoffs too...a yard deep on a day like today is awesome.

[Badgerinmaine]

Giants fail to score on 4th and goal at the Panthers 1.

[The Leaper]

Giants fail

Corrected.

[Packman_26]

Please get Woodson out of there.

[pbmax]

Martin hurt. That is not going to help ST. Hope he is OK.

[packer4life]

chuck is quiet today

[gbgary]

Yeah...I can't bring myself to get rid of it until Dallas finally does win a playoff game.

let's hope that streak lasts another 20 years.

[The Leaper]

Please get Woodson out of there.

Defensive players can protect themselves a little better than a QB...I've got no issue with Woodson being out there.

[pbmax]

Tamps ties NO on a punt return TD

[gbgary]

tampa tied with no

[Packman_26]

Please get Woodson out of there.

Defensive players can protect themselves a little better than a QB...I've got no issue with Woodson being out there.
He has been banged up for the last couple weeks and its exactly a young football player, what purpose does it serve?

[TennesseePackerBacker]

chuck is quiet today

When you dont hear a CB's name it's usually a good day.

[The Leaper]

The NFC seems wide open going into the postseason...cracks are showing in both of the high seeds. We are now in...and it is anyone's conference to win IMO.

[gbgary]

bradsack!

[Brohm]

Phew no roughing

[packer4life]

chuck is quiet today

When you dont hear a CB's name it's usually a good day.

i wanted him to solidify his DPOY with an explosive play today...oh well

[imscott72]

Tampa Bay ties the game..Wow..Maybe the NFC is more wide open than we thought??

[TennesseePackerBacker]

chuck is quiet today

When you dont hear a CB's name it's usually a good day.

i wanted him to solidify his DPOY with an explosive play today...oh well

Patience...He'll see a good deal of Linehart(sp?) next week

[The Leaper]

Flynn's arm strength does seem improved...but some of that might just be experience. He seems to know what he wants to do with the ball...he's more decisive.

[pbmax]

Good PI call. Odd, it seems like a well officiated game when the Packers don't have 12 penalties. :D

[The Leaper]

C'mon Flynn...get your first NFL passing TD.

[Brohm]

Think Green was a little excited to get in the endzone :P :D

[The Leaper]

Or Ahman...that's nice too.

[gbgary]

nice to see a green td. very happy for him.

[Badgerinmaine]

Giants fail

Corrected.

Noted. :lol: :lol:

[packer4life]

was tony romo holding for the saints?

[The Leaper]

I'm not liking having to play the Cardinals in the playoffs though...I don't think we match up well with them.

[red]

what a great day, everything seems to be going our way

even jarret bush managed to not make a joke out of himself today. and maybe crosby has now shaken the mental cramps he was having

of, and we're in the playoffs. not something i expected 8 weeks ago

[pbmax]

Hawk should have driven hard to the outside and forced the receiver inside to keep the clock running.

[pbmax]

Giants lose, it official. 41-9

[Badgerinmaine]

TB has taken the Saints into overtime

[imscott72]

I'm not liking having to play the Cardinals in the playoffs though...I don't think we match up well with them.

I don't think we match up well with any pass heavy team. Lack of pass rush, combined with a subpar secondary spells trouble against teams like Minny, NO, and Zona. Look what Pitt did to us last week..

[packer4life]

I'm not liking having to play the Cardinals in the playoffs though...I don't think we match up well with them.

I don't think we match up well with any pass heavy team. Lack of pass rush, combined with a subpar secondary spells trouble against teams like Minny, NO, and Zona. Look what Pitt did to us last week..

lack of pass rush? i wouldn't go that far

[red]

is there any chance we can have a home playoff game? or do the wildcard teams automatically have to travel to a division winner, even if we have a better record?

[The Leaper]

I think our pass rush is fine...but our secondary has holes.

ARI scares me...because they have loads of highly talented WRs and a monster OL.

[Badgerinmaine]

Huh--still throwing up 38 points with 4 minutes to go.

[The Leaper]

is there any chance we can have a home playoff game? or do the wildcard teams automatically have to travel to a division winner, even if we have a better record?

Wildcards always are on the road.

Only chance we could have at a home game in NFCC game...against the #6 seed (if we remain the #5 seed).

[pbmax]

Horrible punt.

[imscott72]

I'm not liking having to play the Cardinals in the playoffs though...I don't think we match up well with them.

I don't think we match up well with any pass heavy team. Lack of pass rush, combined with a subpar secondary spells trouble against teams like Minny, NO, and Zona. Look what Pitt did to us last week..

lack of pass rush? i wouldn't go that far

You can't count today's game. Seattle isn't a good measuring stick at all. Against great teams the pass rush hasn't been there.

[The Leaper]

Huh--still throwing up 38 points with 4 minutes to go.

Gotta give Flynn reps. THis is the NFL...I have no issue with a team putting up 100 points if they want to.

[Badgerinmaine]

is there any chance we can have a home playoff game? or do the wildcard teams automatically have to travel to a division winner, even if we have a better record?
Yes, division winners get seeds 1-4 and WCs get 5 and 6 even if the WC team has a better record. Only chance for a playoff game this year at Lambeau is getting the 5 seed and playing the 6 seed in the NFC title game.

[The Leaper]

Against great teams the pass rush hasn't been there.

They got pressure against both Dallas and Pittsburgh.

I think we also would do better against the VIkings now...our front seven has reached more of a comfort zone in the 4-3, which wasn't as true in the first half of the season.

[pbmax]

I think our pass rush is fine...but our secondary has holes.

ARI scares me...because they have loads of highly talented WRs and a monster OL.
No, this D lacks conventional pass rushers. When a team is in throw only mode and the Packers are dropping seven or eight, their pass rush suffers. If Capers can blitz, then it works better.

[Bossman641]

Against great teams the pass rush hasn't been there.

They got pressure against both Dallas and Pittsburgh.

I think we also would do better against the VIkings now...our front seven has reached more of a comfort zone in the 4-3, which wasn't as true in the first half of the season.

Let's hope they haven't reached a comfort level in the 4-3 :D

[red]

is there any chance we can have a home playoff game? or do the wildcard teams automatically have to travel to a division winner, even if we have a better record?

Wildcards always are on the road.

Only chance we could have at a home game in NFCC game...against the #6 seed (if we remain the #5 seed).

thats crap, you're rewarding a team for being the best in a horrible division

it should all be based on record

if a team has the 3rd or 4th best record in their conference, they should host a first round game, even if they are a wildcard

[Badgerinmaine]

is there any chance we can have a home playoff game? or do the wildcard teams automatically have to travel to a division winner, even if we have a better record?

Wildcards always are on the road.

Only chance we could have at a home game in NFCC game...against the #6 seed (if we remain the #5 seed).

thats crap, you're rewarding a team for being the best in a horrible division

it should all be based on record

if a team has the 3rd or 4th best record in their conference, they should host a first round game, even if they are a wildcard
I don't agree--then it would be like the NBA where divisions don't mean anything.

[imscott72]

Against great teams the pass rush hasn't been there.

They got pressure against both Dallas and Pittsburgh.

I think we also would do better against the VIkings now...our front seven has reached more of a comfort zone in the 4-3, which wasn't as true in the first half of the season.

Dallas sucks, and when we needed the pass rush most against the Steelers it wasn't there. I'd love to be wrong, I just think with dangerous pass heavy teams we're in trouble..

[The Leaper]

No, this D lacks conventional pass rushers. When a team is in throw only mode and the Packers are dropping seven or eight, their pass rush suffers. If Capers can blitz, then it works better.

What teams get great pass rush with a 3 man rush? If you are dropping 8, you aren't likely to get a pass rush...no matter if your OL has both Reggie White and Deacon Jones.

[Brohm]

There has been talk over the past few years about making adjustments to avoid the throw away games at the end of the year (teams resting starters etc because it's wrapped up) and making overall record matter more.

[gbgary]

tampa won

[imscott72]

Down go the Saints..Wow..

[The Leaper]

Dallas sucks, and when we needed the pass rush most against the Steelers it wasn't there.

Really? It was there on the second to last play...Jenkins should have ended it but couldn't get Ben on the ground.

Our pass rush is fine...it isn't elite, but they get to the QB enough to force turnovers.

[denverYooper]

Against great teams the pass rush hasn't been there.

They got pressure against both Dallas and Pittsburgh.

I think we also would do better against the VIkings now...our front seven has reached more of a comfort zone in the 4-3, which wasn't as true in the first half of the season.

Dallas sucks, and when we needed the pass rush most against the Steelers it wasn't there. I'd love to be wrong, I just think with dangerous pass heavy teams we're in trouble..

If against any other QB than Roethlisburger, Cullen gets the 6th sack to end the game.

[pbmax]

No, this D lacks conventional pass rushers. When a team is in throw only mode and the Packers are dropping seven or eight, their pass rush suffers. If Capers can blitz, then it works better.

What teams get great pass rush with a 3 man rush? If you are dropping 8, you aren't likely to get a pass rush...no matter if your OL has both Reggie White and Deacon Jones.
3 man lines, just like 4 man lines can get a rush, but the rate of success is lower for the 3 man and it takes longer. And that is fine as you don't even need the sack, you need to force the throw to come out. The Packers too often were doing neither.

[red]

is there any chance we can have a home playoff game? or do the wildcard teams automatically have to travel to a division winner, even if we have a better record?

Wildcards always are on the road.

Only chance we could have at a home game in NFCC game...against the #6 seed (if we remain the #5 seed).

thats crap, you're rewarding a team for being the best in a horrible division

it should all be based on record

if a team has the 3rd or 4th best record in their conference, they should host a first round game, even if they are a wildcard
I don't agree--then it would be like the NBA where divisions don't mean anything.

they still matter, you still get into the playoffs when you win a division. and that should be good enough

a team that goes 6-10 in a horrible division and wins the division is already getting a gift by being in the playoffs without being one of the 6 best teams

why reward them further by giving them a home game?

[denverYooper]

Playoffs.

Looks like numb needs to fix his sig.

[The Leaper]

There has been talk over the past few years about making adjustments to avoid the throw away games at the end of the year (teams resting starters etc because it's wrapped up) and making overall record matter more.

There will always be throw away games...impossible to eliminate them. But I do like the idea of eliminating the automatic home field for the division winners. Give division winners an automatic playoff berth...but seed everyone according to overall record.

[ICU81MI]

Packers, Philly and Minne look like the teams to beat in the NFC. Philly looks to be the best team.

[BallHawk]

a team that goes 6-10 in a horrible division and wins the division is already getting a gift by being in the playoffs without being one of the 6 best teams

But that's never happened before and likely will never happen. The worst record a division winner has ever had was 8-8 (1985 Browns). I see no problem with divisions.

[The Leaper]

But that's never happened before and likely will never happen. The worst record a division winner has ever had was 8-8 (1985 Browns). I see no problem with divisions.

I don't think anyone is arguing that division winners shouldn't make the playoffs...just that they shouldn't host playoff games against teams with better records.

[Packman_26]

a team that goes 6-10 in a horrible division and wins the division is already getting a gift by being in the playoffs without being one of the 6 best teams

But that's never happened before and likely will never happen. The worst record a division winner has ever had was 8-8 (1985 Browns). I see no problem with divisions.
Do you think that people are arguing to remove divisions? Thats not the case. They are simply saying that the seeds in the playoffs should be entirely based on overall record.
I find it hard to believe that you don't see anything wrong if an 11-5 wildcard team having to go play on the road in the playoffs against an 8-8 division winner.

[MJZiggy]

I'm not liking having to play the Cardinals in the playoffs though...I don't think we match up well with them.

I don't care if we play Jesus and the Angels in the playoffs, we made it in...

[Packman_26]

I will take this playoff argument one further and say that first round byes should also be based on overall record. Lets say the Packers and the Vikings have the same record at 13-3 but the Vikings beat the Packers twice. Under the current system even if the Packers had the second best record int he conference, they would have to play a road game in the first round of the playoffs. I would think that they should get a first round bye over an 11-5 division winner.

[BallHawk]

a team that goes 6-10 in a horrible division and wins the division is already getting a gift by being in the playoffs without being one of the 6 best teams

But that's never happened before and likely will never happen. The worst record a division winner has ever had was 8-8 (1985 Browns). I see no problem with divisions.
Do you think that people are arguing to remove divisions? Thats not the case. They are simply saying that the seeds in the playoffs should be entirely based on overall record.
I find it hard to believe that you don't see anything wrong if an 11-5 wildcard team having to go play on the road in the playoffs against an 8-8 division winner.

I know that's what people mean, I worded that last part badly.

To answer your question, I think if a team beats out 3 other teams vying for the same title (division champ) they are entitled to host a playoff game. If the wild card teams are so supposedly superior to these division teams, it shouldn't matter that the wild card team has to go on the road, right?

[pbmax]

Division games are largely the rivalry games. There is no reason to reduce their importance to the two cities alone. If you can't win the division, then you don't get the perks. Wild Cards have been doing just fine in the new format. In fact, they have been more successful under the new format than ever before and do not need additional help.

[red]

a team that goes 6-10 in a horrible division and wins the division is already getting a gift by being in the playoffs without being one of the 6 best teams

But that's never happened before and likely will never happen. The worst record a division winner has ever had was 8-8 (1985 Browns). I see no problem with divisions.
Do you think that people are arguing to remove divisions? Thats not the case. They are simply saying that the seeds in the playoffs should be entirely based on overall record.
I find it hard to believe that you don't see anything wrong if an 11-5 wildcard team having to go play on the road in the playoffs against an 8-8 division winner.

I know that's what people mean, I worded that last part badly.

To answer your question, I think if a team beats out 3 other teams vying for the same title (division champ) they are entitled to host a playoff game. If the wild card teams are so supposedly superior to these division teams, it shouldn't matter that the wild card team has to go on the road, right?

bullshit

its a big advantage playing at home, not to mention the millions of dollars of revenue a home game brings in

there's a chance that we will play the cardinals in the playoffs, there's also a chance we'll have the better record when that happens

but we would have to play in arizona all because they were the best out of the worst division in the nfl.

that just doesn't seem right to me

and a game in arizona vs a game in green bay in january, there's a giant difference there

[Sparkey]

If the Packers were the beneficiary of the current playoff setup, how many people would be wanting it changed ? :wink:

[Packman_26]

If the Packers were the beneficiary of the current playoff setup, how many people would be wanting it changed ? :wink:
I have thought this about the playoff system for years, it just so happens that the Packers could be on the short end this year.

[Guiness]

Missed the game today....

Love the boxscore though, looks like a solid win. I especially like the INT numbers, shows the secondary showed up pissed off after having that loss last week hung on them.

Going to watch the recorded game and read everyone's commentary now. It tends to be much more insightful than anything the announcers have to say. Primarily because the announcers never say "what the fuck was he thinking there???"

[mmmdk]

Missed the game today....

Love the boxscore though, looks like a solid win. I especially like the INT numbers, shows the secondary showed up pissed off after having that loss last week hung on them.

Going to watch the recorded game and read everyone's commentary now. It tends to be much more insightful than anything the announcers have to say. Primarily because the announcers never say "what the fuck was he thinking there???"

Seattle was horrible to watch; Packers were in a different league all together and that says a lot 'cos Packers didn't even go full throttle (not needed).

[HarveyWallbangers]

I like the current playoff format, and I hope it stays this way for a long time.

[MJZiggy]

We need the practice with our calculus skills...

[channtheman]

If the Packers do not win by 30 it will be a disappointment.

Prepare to be disappointed.

Or not. :oops: :lol:

[ICU81MI]

6 TDs from RBs today.

[Iron Mike]

Missed the game today....


Not me......I was there. :wink: