Do we have an OFFICIAL Cards vs. NO Thread?

[Maxie the Taxi]

If not, WOWIE!

[steve823]

Who you guys rooting for ? Im goin for the Saints..but wow what a first play of the game.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Did NO blitz on that TD?

[KYPack]

I'm predicting a defensive struggle.

What time's the freakin' game start anyway?

[steve823]

I'm not sure. It looked like AZ's oline just mandhandled the Saints then Hightower got to the 2nd level easy.

AZ is coming out with a lot of fire again

[Maxie the Taxi]

I'm predicting a defensive struggle.

What time's the freakin' game start anyway?

It just started. First play of the game, Arizona back, Hightower, goes 70 yds off tackle. My kind of football. :)

[Maxie the Taxi]

NO could gain 300 yds on the ground if they stay with it.

[steve823]

WOW..reggie bush is trucking people down this game hahaha. Never thought I'd see that

[Maxie the Taxi]

7-7. This could be a repeat of last Sunday.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Who you guys rooting for ? Im goin for the Saints..but wow what a first play of the game.

I want the Saints to win, not only because the damn Cards beat the Pack, but because the Saints could beat Dallas in a rematch. I hate Dallas more than anybody -- except maybe the Vikes and Favre.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Did you see Reggie's guns? Wow, step off Tyrone!

[KYPack]

This is one of those games where I figure out who I'm for when it starts.

Saints.

No real idea why, just wanna see 'em win.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Cards are finding out that it's a different ball game when they're not playing at home.

[steve823]

Who you guys rooting for ? Im goin for the Saints..but wow what a first play of the game.

I want the Saints to win, not only because the damn Cards beat the Pack, but because the Saints could beat Dallas in a rematch. I hate Dallas more than anybody -- except maybe the Vikes and Favre.

Same for me...I don't think anyone likes Dallas haha.

[steve823]

14-7 NO Shockey is looking like he used to be with the Giants

[Maxie the Taxi]

Cards are dead meat.

[Fosco33]

If AZ doesn't fumble - they ran 2 offensive plays for about 90 yards combined...

The NFL should start giving out 2 points to the defense when they are able to stop a drive...

[Fosco33]

Cards almost started like the Pack did last week... lucky Warner recovered.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Blitz! And they get to Warner!

[steve823]

Haha I agree. The league has became in favor of the offense way too much.

As I'm typing this Warner just got decked..I love seeing this.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I think it was a CB blitz, only I'm not sure. Like Johnson, the color man says, you don't have to sack Warner, you just have to knock him down or hurry him.

[mission]

Ya I'm not feeling the idea of rooting for the Cards because they beat us and somehow that would validate our playoff presence.

Thought maybe I would but watching the start of this game, F the Cards... not feeling the vibe. Still bitter, Go Saints! :D

[steve823]

Dam Reggie Bush..that was crazy

[mission]

Dam Reggie Bush..that was crazy

ridiculous

[mission]

is he juicin? :lol: :lol:

[Maxie the Taxi]

Did you see the Card's tackling? Crap, this really pains. If the Pack had played smarter last week, this could be GB vs. NO!

I'm telling you. Saints will gain 300+ yards on the ground this game.

[mission]

Did you see the Card's tackling? Crap, this really pains. If the Pack had played smarter last week, this could be GB vs. NO!

I'm telling you. Saints will gain 300+ yards on the ground this game.

6 days rest vs 2 weeks... woulda been tough for us too I think.

[steve823]

Just seeing the advertising for the Cowboys-Vikings makes me sick I hate both teams so much ahaha.

DOWN WITH WARNER..good. No flags either is he gunna complain again

[BallHawk]

Warner just got straight up Aaron Rodgers-ed on that sack.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Blitz again!!!!! They rushed 6 that time and creamed Warner.

[MOBB DEEP]

jus got home..WTH???

[Maxie the Taxi]

Commentator just said that Warner said he didn't see anything from the Packers last week that he didn't see on film!

That sure is a bad reflection on the Packers and Dom Capers.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Cards brought the house against Brees again.

[Maxie the Taxi]

NO brought 6 that time and got to Warner. Interception.

[MOBB DEEP]

sharper a BEAST regradless! AWESOME snatch..he did what?

warner aint aaron i guess

[steve823]

Nice play by Sharper...WHAT BULLSHIT THOUGH WARNER HARDLY GOT TOUCHED OMG. THEY KILLED RODGERS AND NO CALLS. IF YOUR NOT A BIG NAME YOU DONT GET CALLS.

[Maxie the Taxi]

NO brought the house and Warner beat it to Hightower.

[Maxie the Taxi]

NO is blitzing virtually every play.

[packers11]

NFL sucks... that was rodgers all over again... HOW THE FUCK does that get called

[Maxie the Taxi]

Unbelievable, ref makes a bad call and Cards back in the game.

[packers11]

Nice play by Sharper...WHAT BULLSHIT THOUGH WARNER HARDLY GOT TOUCHED OMG. THEY KILLED RODGERS AND NO CALLS. IF YOUR NOT A BIG NAME YOU DONT GET CALLS.

I agree... something needs to be done... Its all about the name on the QB, not the fking play thats happening...

[steve823]

NFL sucks... that was rodgers all over again... HOW THE FUCK does that get called

Simple. Warner always complains and Refs look for it. Rodgers is humble and doesn't complain like Warner, Brady, etc. so refs dont look for it or call it as much.

Also...the refs and nfls sucks. Time for madden :D

[MOBB DEEP]

Nice play by Sharper...WHAT BULLSHIT THOUGH WARNER HARDLY GOT TOUCHED OMG. THEY KILLED RODGERS AND NO CALLS. IF YOUR NOT A BIG NAME YOU DONT GET CALLS.

I agree... something needs to be done... Its all about the name on the QB, not the fking play thats happening...

i think aaron is a big name now....maybe not whining IS the reason

[Fosco33]

Warner just got straight up Aaron Rodgers-ed on that sack.

Did you notice on that sack that Warner got jacked in the head and pulled on the facemask?

And no call.

Then on a lesser infraction on Warner's INT - they call it.

So damn inconsistent. Either call it - or don't. It's had a huge impact in Zona's games both ways (generally in their favor).

[steve823]

Haha I love seeing trick plays. Man Sean Peyton is a great coach

[Fosco33]

WoW. Packers would've had a LOT of trouble vs. this offense.

[MOBB DEEP]

minny should do that tomorow

girls would bite

[Maxie the Taxi]

This is what a running game can get you. Brees plays under center instead of in the shotgun and the play action works (also the flea flicker)!

[steve823]

minny should do that tomorow

girls would bite

Dont tell me your rootin for the Queens?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Wife wants the puter. Gotta go.

[steve823]

GREAT block on Warner. WOW

[MOBB DEEP]

game over...!

WARNER RETIRES!

[Fosco33]

Wow... dumb pass and stupid decision to try and get into the defense. Free shot on Warner... last play before retirement?

If they bring Leinert in - game over.

[MOBB DEEP]

minny should do that tomorow

girls would bite

Dont tell me your rootin for the Queens?

i DEF hate dallas more than minny and favre won MANY games for pack

[packers11]

someone finally got a good hit on warner...

bye tool

[steve823]

someone finally got a good hit on warner...

bye tool

haha karma for all the whining and bitching about the calls he does.

[Fosco33]

someone finally got a good hit on warner...

bye tool

Great - clean hit.

Wonder if he comes back in...

Saints will score 50+. Zona might get 2 more TDs.

[pbmax]

This is what a running game can get you. Brees plays under center instead of in the shotgun and the play action works (also the flea flicker)!
Much easier to run when you are two scores ahead. Running game is safer, it doesn't produce more points than passing.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Where's all that AZ intensity? :lol:

[pbmax]

Whizz clearly forgot to motivate this week.

Also doesn't help that DRC and Rolle are missing.

[mission]

6 days rest playing anybody is tough let alone the Saints off a bye...

not that im shedding any tears over this ass kicking we're watching :lol:

helps me swallow our loss better somehow

[australianpackerbacker]

makes me feel good to see kurt and arizona getting their asses physically kicked, takes some of the pain away of last week! haha im a pretty shallow person arent i!

[BallHawk]

Gotta protect Brees. :roll:

[pbmax]

Star coverage. Sharper on the replay gets to Fitzgerald AFTER (I am pretty sure) he has lost control of the ball, hits him and gets credit for great timing and a great hit. He was where he was supposed to be, but Fitz lost the ball.

[MOBB DEEP]

makes me feel good to see kurt and arizona getting their asses physically kicked, takes some of the pain away of last week! haha im a pretty shallow person arent i!

YEP! Like i schooled my neph, we should want whoever beats us to go all the way. that way we can say we lost to the champs ala Favre v. NYG

[MOBB DEEP]

6 days rest playing anybody is tough let alone the Saints off a bye...

not that im shedding any tears over this ass kicking we're watching :lol:

helps me swallow our loss better somehow

see my last post mission

[red]

it probably doesn't matter that we lost last week.

i don't know if anybody could have beat the buzzsaw that were the saints today

[packerbacker1234]

it probably doesn't matter that we lost last week.

i don't know if anybody could have beat the buzzsaw that were the saints today

Well, we are younger... I think we would of passed better TBH. We have all our weapons, and we seem to be able to score on anyone all year.

Also, remember the ways the cards have been all year. Their offense either looks all world or like crap. Today, it looked like crap.

[Bretsky]

Star coverage. Sharper on the replay gets to Fitzgerald AFTER (I am pretty sure) he has lost control of the ball, hits him and gets credit for great timing and a great hit. He was where he was supposed to be, but Fitz lost the ball.


the Secondary of NO looks so much better and so much deeper with their FA acquisitions in the defensive backfield.

[pbmax]

Star coverage. Sharper on the replay gets to Fitzgerald AFTER (I am pretty sure) he has lost control of the ball, hits him and gets credit for great timing and a great hit. He was where he was supposed to be, but Fitz lost the ball.


the Secondary of NO looks so much better and so much deeper with their FA acquisitions in the defensive backfield.
A pass rush makes all DBs look better. :)

[pbmax]

Memo to wist:

Gregg Williams, he of the Jeff Fisher ties, he of the 4-3 mutiple blitzing front and heir to the Buddy Ryan 46/Bear defense coaching tree, blitzed much more than Capers. He did not however, invent a way to press cover the slot receiver or press all three wides in the bunch alignment. There were a lot of free releases for a fellow student of the 46.

I did see him have much more effective double coverage of the underneath receivers. If there was a lane to complete the pass, that guy went down right away. The inability of the Packer secondary to matchup zone assignments and provide close coverage would seem to be Capers biggest coaching challenge. My fear is the Patler theorem, that McCarthy's hiring is unreliable and Joe Whitt Jr. isn't getting it done with the CBs.

The Packers also need another pass rusher. Whether it will be Jones/Kampman or another OLB, Raji or some other unknown D lineman, they need someone else who can get home.

[Bretsky]

Star coverage. Sharper on the replay gets to Fitzgerald AFTER (I am pretty sure) he has lost control of the ball, hits him and gets credit for great timing and a great hit. He was where he was supposed to be, but Fitz lost the ball.


the Secondary of NO looks so much better and so much deeper with their FA acquisitions in the defensive backfield.
A pass rush makes all DBs look better. :)


and competent players in the secondary will give the DL time to get there as well.

Our pass rush was disappointing
the secondary was as good as they are

[pbmax]

Star coverage. Sharper on the replay gets to Fitzgerald AFTER (I am pretty sure) he has lost control of the ball, hits him and gets credit for great timing and a great hit. He was where he was supposed to be, but Fitz lost the ball.


the Secondary of NO looks so much better and so much deeper with their FA acquisitions in the defensive backfield.
A pass rush makes all DBs look better. :)


and competent players in the secondary will give the DL time to get there as well.

Our pass rush was disappointing
the secondary was as good as they are
But what if the biggest breakdowns came in linebacker coverage of the Cardinals? Most of the time Warner faced pressure, he went short to medium. The Packer linebackers were often no help and just chasing. Against NO, those linebackers short were not exactly intercepting the ball, but they were in a position to tackle.

I don't think the coverage issue is just the DBs.

[Bretsky]

Memo to wist:

Gregg Williams, he of the Jeff Fisher ties, he of the 4-3 mutiple blitzing front and heir to the Buddy Ryan 46/Bear defense coaching tree, blitzed much more than Capers. He did not however, invent a way to press cover the slot receiver or press all three wides in the bunch alignment. There were a lot of free releases for a fellow student of the 46.

I did see him have much more effective double coverage of the underneath receivers. If there was a lane to complete the pass, that guy went down right away. The inability of the Packer secondary to matchup zone assignments and provide close coverage would seem to be Capers biggest coaching challenge. My fear is the Patler theorem, that McCarthy's hiring is unreliable and Joe Whitt Jr. isn't getting it done with the CBs.
The Packers also need another pass rusher. Whether it will be Jones/Kampman or another OLB, Raji or some other unknown D lineman, they need someone else who can get home.



If you are going to blame Joe Whitt Jr, you should consider the talent he was left with against a deep receiving team. Josh Bell, Bush, Martin..even when healthy, Bigby, the Italian Stallion....if you are analyzing why the secondary was going to hurt against a strong passing team I'd be inclined to look at the personnell dept before going after Whitt

[Bretsky]

Star coverage. Sharper on the replay gets to Fitzgerald AFTER (I am pretty sure) he has lost control of the ball, hits him and gets credit for great timing and a great hit. He was where he was supposed to be, but Fitz lost the ball.


the Secondary of NO looks so much better and so much deeper with their FA acquisitions in the defensive backfield.
A pass rush makes all DBs look better. :)


and competent players in the secondary will give the DL time to get there as well.

Our pass rush was disappointing
the secondary was as good as they are
But what if the biggest breakdowns came in linebacker coverage of the Cardinals? Most of the time Warner faced pressure, he went short to medium. The Packer linebackers were often no help and just chasing. Against NO, those linebackers short were not exactly intercepting the ball, but they were in a position to tackle.

I don't think the coverage issue is just the DBs.


I'd agree; there were some isolated plays where the LB's just blew coverage.
But I'd point a lot more to the secondary (and lack of pass rush) than the LB's in coverage.

[MJZiggy]

Memo to wist:

Gregg Williams, he of the Jeff Fisher ties, he of the 4-3 mutiple blitzing front and heir to the Buddy Ryan 46/Bear defense coaching tree, blitzed much more than Capers. He did not however, invent a way to press cover the slot receiver or press all three wides in the bunch alignment. There were a lot of free releases for a fellow student of the 46.

I did see him have much more effective double coverage of the underneath receivers. If there was a lane to complete the pass, that guy went down right away. The inability of the Packer secondary to matchup zone assignments and provide close coverage would seem to be Capers biggest coaching challenge. My fear is the Patler theorem, that McCarthy's hiring is unreliable and Joe Whitt Jr. isn't getting it done with the CBs.
The Packers also need another pass rusher. Whether it will be Jones/Kampman or another OLB, Raji or some other unknown D lineman, they need someone else who can get home.



If you are going to blame Joe Whitt Jr, you should consider the talent he was left with against a deep receiving team. Josh Bell, Bush, Martin..even when healthy, Bigby, the Italian Stallion....if you are analyzing why the secondary was going to hurt against a strong passing team I'd be inclined to look at the personnell dept before going after Whitt

True, when we're playing with better than the #6, we have a phenomenal secondary.

[Bretsky]

Memo to wist:

Gregg Williams, he of the Jeff Fisher ties, he of the 4-3 mutiple blitzing front and heir to the Buddy Ryan 46/Bear defense coaching tree, blitzed much more than Capers. He did not however, invent a way to press cover the slot receiver or press all three wides in the bunch alignment. There were a lot of free releases for a fellow student of the 46.

I did see him have much more effective double coverage of the underneath receivers. If there was a lane to complete the pass, that guy went down right away. The inability of the Packer secondary to matchup zone assignments and provide close coverage would seem to be Capers biggest coaching challenge. My fear is the Patler theorem, that McCarthy's hiring is unreliable and Joe Whitt Jr. isn't getting it done with the CBs.
The Packers also need another pass rusher. Whether it will be Jones/Kampman or another OLB, Raji or some other unknown D lineman, they need someone else who can get home.



If you are going to blame Joe Whitt Jr, you should consider the talent he was left with against a deep receiving team. Josh Bell, Bush, Martin..even when healthy, Bigby, the Italian Stallion....if you are analyzing why the secondary was going to hurt against a strong passing team I'd be inclined to look at the personnell dept before going after Whitt

True, when we're playing with better than the #6, we have a phenomenal secondary.



I knew the loss of Al Harris was devastating and would lead to our downfall.
We could not afford to lose Al Harris, Charles Woodsen, Nick Collins, or Tramon Williams. Bigby was certainly a step up from whoever we wanted to pawn as our backup for him as well.

After those guys I think they all the CB's might have been #6's. Lee, Blackmand, Bush, Bell, Martin, Ford, Giordano.........blaaa

[pbmax]

Memo to wist:

Gregg Williams, he of the Jeff Fisher ties, he of the 4-3 mutiple blitzing front and heir to the Buddy Ryan 46/Bear defense coaching tree, blitzed much more than Capers. He did not however, invent a way to press cover the slot receiver or press all three wides in the bunch alignment. There were a lot of free releases for a fellow student of the 46.

I did see him have much more effective double coverage of the underneath receivers. If there was a lane to complete the pass, that guy went down right away. The inability of the Packer secondary to matchup zone assignments and provide close coverage would seem to be Capers biggest coaching challenge. My fear is the Patler theorem, that McCarthy's hiring is unreliable and Joe Whitt Jr. isn't getting it done with the CBs.
The Packers also need another pass rusher. Whether it will be Jones/Kampman or another OLB, Raji or some other unknown D lineman, they need someone else who can get home.



If you are going to blame Joe Whitt Jr, you should consider the talent he was left with against a deep receiving team. Josh Bell, Bush, Martin..even when healthy, Bigby, the Italian Stallion....if you are analyzing why the secondary was going to hurt against a strong passing team I'd be inclined to look at the personnell dept before going after Whitt

True, when we're playing with better than the #6, we have a phenomenal secondary.



I knew the loss of Al Harris was devastating and would lead to our downfall.
We could not afford to lose Al Harris, Charles Woodsen, Nick Collins, or Tramon Williams. Bigby was certainly a step up from whoever we wanted to pawn as our backup for him as well.

After those guys I think they all the CB's might have been #6's. Lee, Blackmand, Bush, Bell, Martin, Ford, Giordano.........blaaa

No one has talent 4-6 (or 7, or 8). There isn't enough elite level talent. Its a matter of the player understanding his job, coaching him to both understand and execute (and get better) and the scheme to allow as much help as possible or limit the time where there is no help.

The reason I worry about Whitt are the number of times in zone where the Packers do not seem to understand the assignments. Some of that is also LBs.

The reason I am less worried about the players is that no one has starting caliber depth 4-7 or 8. Especially after your 2nd round pick (Lee) and Harris go down. McCallister and McKenzie are unemployed for a reason.

[Bretsky]

Memo to wist:

Gregg Williams, he of the Jeff Fisher ties, he of the 4-3 mutiple blitzing front and heir to the Buddy Ryan 46/Bear defense coaching tree, blitzed much more than Capers. He did not however, invent a way to press cover the slot receiver or press all three wides in the bunch alignment. There were a lot of free releases for a fellow student of the 46.

I did see him have much more effective double coverage of the underneath receivers. If there was a lane to complete the pass, that guy went down right away. The inability of the Packer secondary to matchup zone assignments and provide close coverage would seem to be Capers biggest coaching challenge. My fear is the Patler theorem, that McCarthy's hiring is unreliable and Joe Whitt Jr. isn't getting it done with the CBs.
The Packers also need another pass rusher. Whether it will be Jones/Kampman or another OLB, Raji or some other unknown D lineman, they need someone else who can get home.



If you are going to blame Joe Whitt Jr, you should consider the talent he was left with against a deep receiving team. Josh Bell, Bush, Martin..even when healthy, Bigby, the Italian Stallion....if you are analyzing why the secondary was going to hurt against a strong passing team I'd be inclined to look at the personnell dept before going after Whitt

True, when we're playing with better than the #6, we have a phenomenal secondary.



I knew the loss of Al Harris was devastating and would lead to our downfall.
We could not afford to lose Al Harris, Charles Woodsen, Nick Collins, or Tramon Williams. Bigby was certainly a step up from whoever we wanted to pawn as our backup for him as well.

After those guys I think they all the CB's might have been #6's. Lee, Blackmand, Bush, Bell, Martin, Ford, Giordano.........blaaa

No one has talent 4-6 (or 7, or 8). There isn't enough elite level talent. Its a matter of the player understanding his job, coaching him to both understand and execute (and get better) and the scheme to allow as much help as possible or limit the time where there is no help.

The reason I worry about Whitt are the number of times in zone where the Packers do not seem to understand the assignments. Some of that is also LBs.

The reason I am less worried about the players is that no one has starting caliber depth 4-7 or 8. Especially after your 2nd round pick (Lee) and Harris go down. McCallister and McKenzie are unemployed for a reason.


Ya, I've read that last sentence a couple of times; I don't buy it. Some teams choose to sign young guys with upside over guys that can play now.

The Saints, when injuries hit their secondary, needed to stay ahead of MN at the time and chose the vets that could play. Mac was coming back from an injury but he looked good. CM is old but still looked very serviceable. Curious if you watched the games they participated in ? I believe one of the games was a Sunday night or Monday night. They played well. Would you question that both played far better than the players we put out there ? We chose the young guys with upside. Regardless of choice we now live with the results

[Zool]

I'm still too annoyed by last weeks game to read anything Cardinal related, but I did catch the highlights lastnight.

Apparently the NFL's description of the incidental facemask last week does not apply to Kurt Warner.

[pbmax]

Memo to wist:

Gregg Williams, he of the Jeff Fisher ties, he of the 4-3 mutiple blitzing front and heir to the Buddy Ryan 46/Bear defense coaching tree, blitzed much more than Capers. He did not however, invent a way to press cover the slot receiver or press all three wides in the bunch alignment. There were a lot of free releases for a fellow student of the 46.

I did see him have much more effective double coverage of the underneath receivers. If there was a lane to complete the pass, that guy went down right away. The inability of the Packer secondary to matchup zone assignments and provide close coverage would seem to be Capers biggest coaching challenge. My fear is the Patler theorem, that McCarthy's hiring is unreliable and Joe Whitt Jr. isn't getting it done with the CBs.
The Packers also need another pass rusher. Whether it will be Jones/Kampman or another OLB, Raji or some other unknown D lineman, they need someone else who can get home.



If you are going to blame Joe Whitt Jr, you should consider the talent he was left with against a deep receiving team. Josh Bell, Bush, Martin..even when healthy, Bigby, the Italian Stallion....if you are analyzing why the secondary was going to hurt against a strong passing team I'd be inclined to look at the personnell dept before going after Whitt

True, when we're playing with better than the #6, we have a phenomenal secondary.



I knew the loss of Al Harris was devastating and would lead to our downfall.
We could not afford to lose Al Harris, Charles Woodsen, Nick Collins, or Tramon Williams. Bigby was certainly a step up from whoever we wanted to pawn as our backup for him as well.

After those guys I think they all the CB's might have been #6's. Lee, Blackmand, Bush, Bell, Martin, Ford, Giordano.........blaaa

No one has talent 4-6 (or 7, or 8). There isn't enough elite level talent. Its a matter of the player understanding his job, coaching him to both understand and execute (and get better) and the scheme to allow as much help as possible or limit the time where there is no help.

The reason I worry about Whitt are the number of times in zone where the Packers do not seem to understand the assignments. Some of that is also LBs.

The reason I am less worried about the players is that no one has starting caliber depth 4-7 or 8. Especially after your 2nd round pick (Lee) and Harris go down. McCallister and McKenzie are unemployed for a reason.


Ya, I've read that last sentence a couple of times; I don't buy it. Some teams choose to sign young guys with upside over guys that can play now.

The Saints, when injuries hit their secondary, needed to stay ahead of MN at the time and chose the vets that could play. Mac was coming back from an injury but he looked good. CM is old but still looked very serviceable. Curious if you watched the games they participated in ? I believe one of the games was a Sunday night or Monday night. They played well. Would you question that both played far better than the players we put out there ? We chose the young guys with upside. Regardless of choice we now live with the results
The Packers called McKenzie too after Underwood went down (I think it was Underwood). But he went to NO.

But that simply reinforces the idea that McKenzie was no better than anyone on the roster or PS until injuries wreaked havoc. And if I am not mistaken, McCallister was let go in the before everyone got healthy.