Want to end some draft confusion? Big Board #1

[CaliforniaCheez]

Tired of everyone posting a one round mock and calling themselves an expert?

Have a tough time figuring out how a player can 68th on one big board, 137 on another and 233rd on another, and figure where he really ranks?

Let me help. I have averaged 4 big boards and come up my own. At this point there is a lot of variability among the boards so I will do some more before the draft but right now my big board is:

2010 big board one

1) Suh Ndamukong DT NE
2) Berry Eric FS TN
3) McCoy Gerald DT OK
4) Haden Joe CB FL
5) Clausen Jimmy QB Notre
6) Bryant Dez WR OK St
7) Okung Russell OT OK St
8) Bradford Sam QB OK
9) Morgan Derrick DE GA Tec
10) McClain Rolando LB AL
11) Spiller C.J. RB Clems
12) Mays Taylor FS USC
13) Dunlap Carlos DE FL
14) Davis Anthony OT Rutgers
15) Williams Trent OT OK
16) Bulaga Brian OT IA
17) Thomas Earl SS TX
18) Kindle Sergio LB TX
19) Tate Golden WR Notre
20) Iupati Mike OG ID
21) Griffin Everson DE USC
22) Dwyer Jonathan RB GA Tec
23) Robinson Patrick CB FL St
24) Pierre-Paul Jason DE S FL
25) Gresham Jermaine TE OK
26) Sapp Ricky LB Clems
27) Price Brian DT UCLA
28) Best Jahvid RB CA
29) McCoy Colt QB TX
30) Williams Damian WR USC
31) Campbell Bruce OT MD
32) Odrick Jared DT Pen St
33) Spikes Brandon LB FL
34) Wootton Corey DE Northw
35) Pouncey Maurkice C FL
36) Graham Brandon DE MI
37) Williams Dan DT TN
38) LaFell Brandon WR LSU
39) Benn Arrelious WR IL
40) Weatherspoon Sean LB MO
41) Tebow Tim QB FL
42) Bowman Navorro OLB Pen St
43) Cody Terrence DT AL
44) Hughes Jerry DE/LB TCU
45) Jones Chad FS LSU
46) Matthews Ryan RB Fresno
47) Gronkowski Rob TE AZ
48) Thomas Demaryius WR GA Tec
49) Cox Perrish CB OK
50) Hardy Greg DE MS
51) Franks Dominique CB OK
52) Hernandez Aaron TE FL
53) Allen Nate FS S FL
54) Thompson Syd'Quan CB CA
55) Brown Charles OT USC
56) Jackson Kareem CB AL
57) Ducasse Vlad OG Umass
58) Gilyard Mardy WR Cincin
59) Warren Donovan CB MI
60) Pike Tony QB Cincin
61) Burnett Morgan FS GA Tec
62) Briscoe Dezmon WR KS
63) Capers Selvish OT WV
64) Ghee Brandon CB Wake F
65) Williams Jeremy WR Tulane
66) Murphy Jerome CB S FL
67) Shipley Jordan WR TX
68) Asamoah John OG IL
69) Norwood Eric LB SC
70) McKnight Joe RB USC
71) Johnson Mike OG AL
72) McCourty Devin CB Rutgers
73) Wilson Kyle CB Boise St
74) Selvie George DE S FL
75) Jones Arthur DT Syracu
76) Mitchell Carlton WR S FL
77) McCluster Dexter WR MS
78) Ward T.J. S OR
79) Worilds Jason LB/DE VA Tech
80) Gerhart Toby RB Stanford
81) Young Willie DE NC St
82) Aluaha Tyson DT CA
83) Dixon Anthony RB MS St
84) McCoy Anthony TE USC
85) Washington Daryl LB TX Christ
86) Lyndley Trevard CB KY
87) Lane Austin DE Murray St
88) Dickson Ed TE OR
89) Lee Sean LB Pen St
90) Spievey Amari CB IA
91) Houston Lamarr DT TX
92) Snead Jevan QB MI
93) Muckelroy Roddrick LB TX
94) Decker Eric WR MN
95) Graham Garrett TE WI
96) Alexander Danario WR MO
97) Tennant Matt C Boston C
98) Smith D'Anthony(Boo) DT LA Tech
99) Curran Rennie LB GA
100) Hardesty Montario RB TN
101) Black Ciron OT LSU
102) Lang Brandon DE Troy
103) Wright Major FS FL
104) Walton J.D. C Baylor
105) Calloway Kyle OT IA
106) Fox James OT Miami
107) Owusu-Ansah Akwasi CB (PA)IND
108) Arenas Javier CB/KR AL
109) Ford Jacoby WR Clems
110) Cunningham Jermaine DE FL
111) Schofield O'Brien LB WI
112) Jones Reshad S GA
113) Sharpton Daryl LB Miami
114) Petrus Mitch OG AR
115) Witten Lindsey DE Conn
116) Asante Larry SS NE
117) Chancellor Kam S VA Tech
118) Lewis Myron CB Vanderbi
119) Cooper Riley WR FL (BB)
120) Gibson Thaddeus LB/DE OH St
121) Johnson Micah LB KY
122) Atkins Geno DT GA
123) Stuckey Darrell FS KS
124) Canfield Sean QB OR St
125) Pitta Dennis TE BYU
126) Neal Mike DT Purdue
127) Wilson C.J. DE E Carolina
128) Oghobaase Vince DT Duke
129) Peek Colin TE AL
130) Saffold Roger OT IN
131) Young Sam OT Notre
132) Edds A.J. LB IA
133) Verner Alterraun CB UCLA
134) Carter Brandon OG TX Tech
135) Veldheer Jared OT Hillsdale
136) Tate Ben RB Auburn
137) Roberts Andre WR Citadel
138) Brown Jarrett QB WV
139) Scott Charles RB LSU
140) Beadles Zane G/T Utah
141) Misi Koa DE Utah
142) LeFevour Dan CB Cent MI
143) Jerry John G/T MS
144) Price Taylor WR Ohio
145) Alem Rahim DE LSU
146) Brown Antonio WR Cent MI
147) Angerer Pat LB IA
148) Basped Kevin DE NV
149) Larsen Ted C NC St
150) Coleman Harry S LSU
151) Graham Jimmy TE Miami
152) Carrington Alex DE AR St
153) Brown Chris RB OK
154) Wang Ed OT VA Tech
155) Thurmond Walter CB OR
156) Ulatoski Adam OT TX
157) Ross Devin CB AZ
158) McGaha Chris WR AZ St
159) Mitchell Earl DT AZ
160) Kirlew Jammie DE IN
161) Quarless Andrew TE Pen St
162) Scott Chris OT TN
163) Rolle Myron SS FL St
164) Geathers Clifton DE SC
165) Ross Jay DT E Carolina
166) Blount LeGarrette RB OR

That is only enough to get you through the 5th round plus compensatory picks but accuracy is tough after that.

See where your draft info disagrees with the consensus.
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[Brando19]

Why does everyone think Notre Dame's QB will be the first quarterback selected? I just don't see it.

[ThunderDan]

Why does everyone think Notre Dame's QB will be the first quarterback selected? I just don't see it.

They were talking on NFL radio today that all 3 QBs on the south team sucked. Tebow couldn't get an exchange from the center without fumbling 30% of the time or missing the RB for the handoff.

They said the kid from Troy (no idea who that is) just moved up big time by not even being there.

[CaliforniaCheez]

I just averaged some boards. That is the consensus. Desperate teams do desperate things. My Big Board is what the draft sites are saying, not that they are right. Scouts are saying this is not a good year for QB's.

I disagreed with everyone about Reggie Bush and over time have been proven right. He wasn't a worth a first round pick because he is too small for the NFL.

I trust Ted.

Hey, the more QB's taken early, the better it is for the Packers so talk up those QB's. We want quality picks at other positions. Tim Tebow is a case in point. I don't see him being worth a 3rd round pick yet he is getting ranked as a 2nd round pick.

[ND72]

Why does everyone think Notre Dame's QB will be the first quarterback selected? I just don't see it.


I will say this as a Notre Dame fan. I really liked Jimmy Clausen. He's got everything talent wise. I really compare him to Phillip Rivers in the fact that Jimmy just thinks he's gonna win every game, and complete every pass...he's got a cockiness to him, and I like it. I do wish Jimmy would have stuck around South Bend another year, but I understand. I do think Jimmy is the top QB in this draft, but as for where that would be truly, I don't know. I don't think any QB this year is worthy of a top 5 or top 10 pick. But I like Jimmy a lot, and I think if some team is patient with him, and let him progress, i.e. - Rodgers, I think he could be very special.

[The Leaper]

Why does everyone think Notre Dame's QB will be the first quarterback selected? I just don't see it.

The QB class this year is poor to Detroit Lions bad. Bradford is the only guy IMO who compares favorably to Clausen...but he has some injury concerns after getting beat up this season. I wouldn't be shocked to see someone prefer Clausen.

There isn't a standout stud QB...and the blue chip prospects are limited.

[Lurker64]

Why does everyone think Notre Dame's QB will be the first quarterback selected? I just don't see it.

Bradford's a system QB with a Pennington-esque arm who is coming off of a major shoulder injury. None of the other QBs even deserve a first round grade. If I had to have only one of them, I'd pick Clausen in a heartbeat. He played in a pro-style offense, his mechanics, and his intangibles are both above average. Remember, they had some bad teams at ND in the Weiss years; bad teams but really good offenses.

The one guy that QB-needy friends are broken up about going back to school for his senior season is Washington's Jake Locker, who, though still pretty raw, has the tools to be a bigger, stronger, right handed Steve Young.

[Brando19]

I would think Tebow would be the first QB selected based on his resume and leadership skills. I haven't watched an entire Notre Dame game with Clausen at QB, but I've seen a little tape. His arm strength didn't seem outstanding to me, but like I said...I haven't watched an entire game. I'll definitely check out some more highlights on that kid. I heard that WVU's Jarrett Brown impressed some scouts. He's a good QB, but he had to sit behind Pat White until his senior year and he hasn't had a chance to show what all he can do. Hopefully he'll get a chance at the next level.

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I would think Tebow would be the first QB selected based on his resume and leadership skills. I haven't watched an entire Notre Dame game with Clausen at QB, but I've seen a little tape. His arm strength didn't seem outstanding to me, but like I said...I haven't watched an entire game. I'll definitely check out some more highlights on that kid. I heard that WVU's Jarrett Brown impressed some scouts. He's a good QB, but he had to sit behind Pat White until his senior year and he hasn't had a chance to show what all he can do. Hopefully he'll get a chance at the next level.

nah, tebow is down the list a bit, and that was before the disaster at the senior bowl practices

tebow was a great qb in a qb friendly college system, many experts question is he can do it in the pros. and he's proving them right at the senior bowl, despite working on the pro type things all year

[Cheesehead Craig]

Clausen's got more upside to him than any of the other QBs in the draft. That's what the scouts like about him. His style of play lends itself to the NFL better than the others.

The other big 3 QBs (Tebow, Bradford and McCoy) all play in video game offenses that just rolled people. Clausen was it for the Irish and he did very well. Clausen's gonna be a very good QB so long as he doesn't play for a shit org.

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the thing i don't like about clausen is a guy named brady quinn

quinn was also a sure fire over hyped notre dame player from the same system

quinn sucked, like almost all of the "ready for the pros" qb's that ND has sent out since joe montana

brady quinn
carlyle holiday
jarius jackson
ron powlus (the next joe montana)
rick mirer
steve beuerlein

ND qb's have a hype unlike any other in college

[Brando19]

the thing i don't like about clausen is a guy named brady quinn

quinn was also a sure fire over hyped notre dame player from the same system

quinn sucked, like almost all of the "ready for the pros" qb's that ND has sent out since joe montana

brady quinn
carlyle holiday
ron powlus (the next joe montana)
rick mirer
steve beuerlein

ND qb's have a hype unlike any other in college

Good post. Brady Quinn was supposed to be the future of the Browns. If the Browns are smart, they'll draft a QB.

[rbaloha1]

the thing i don't like about clausen is a guy named brady quinn

quinn was also a sure fire over hyped notre dame player from the same system

quinn sucked, like almost all of the "ready for the pros" qb's that ND has sent out since joe montana

brady quinn
carlyle holiday
ron powlus (the next joe montana)
rick mirer
steve beuerlein

ND qb's have a hype unlike any other in college

Good post. Brady Quinn was supposed to be the future of the Browns. If the Browns are smart, they'll draft a QB.

Quinn only received one year of Weis coaching as opposed to Clausen's three. Many nd qbs did not play in a pro style offense like Clausen.

Clausen = Matt Ryan

[Lurker64]

I would think Tebow would be the first QB selected based on his resume and leadership skills. I haven't watched an entire Notre Dame game with Clausen at QB, but I've seen a little tape. His arm strength didn't seem outstanding to me, but like I said...I haven't watched an entire game. I'll definitely check out some more highlights on that kid. I heard that WVU's Jarrett Brown impressed some scouts. He's a good QB, but he had to sit behind Pat White until his senior year and he hasn't had a chance to show what all he can do. Hopefully he'll get a chance at the next level.

If you think Tebow should be the first QB selected, no offense at all, but you really don't know how to scout college QBs for the NFL game. Tebow is basically the platonic form of "a college superstar who may not fit in in the NFL."

Tebow is a long, long, long way from being an NFL QB. Not to say he won't get there, because he has the work ethic he needs, but the fact that he played in a really gimmicky offense in college severely hurts his pro prospects.

Keep in mind some things:

-Tebow played out of the shotgun exclusively in college. In the Senior Bowl practices on monday, he had significant problems with the Center-Quarterback exchange, and that's basically the easiest thing a QB has to do.

-Tebow's throwing mechanics are awful, he has a long, slow, looping delivery and he frequently throws ducks. His arm strength is already mediocre, and his release has no snap to it.

-Tebow's footwork in the passing game is some of the worst I've ever seen for a purported quarterback.

-He didn't really have to read coverages at all in college, as the release option was always "tuck it and run" and unlike most running QBs (like Vince Young or Michael Vick) Tebow is a power runner, not a speedy elusive guy. That is, he basically runs like a fullback which is going to lead to him taking a lot of unnecessary hits.

Basically, without the legend of Tebow, he wouldn't be a guy that anybody is considering seriously as a QB at all. He'd be a project to convert to a TE, RB, or WR. Great college player, but he won't contribute as a pro quarterback for at least 3 years.

[Lurker64]

Clausen was it for the Irish and he did very well.

Well, he did have some very good receivers to throw to, but he didn't have a running game to speak of and his offensive line was mediocre.

[Joemailman]

Interesting that Charles Brown is as low as 55. I'd be ecstatic if the Packers could get him in the 2nd round.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Interesting that Charles Brown is as low as 55. I'd be ecstatic if the Packers could get him in the 2nd round.

He is ranked from a low of 42 by Drafttek(middle of the second round) to a high of 70 by Great Blue North(early 3rd round). His average is 55.5.

If there is a run on OT's in the first round there may not be one with a first round grade by the time the Packers draft. Brown may not last until the Packer's second pick.

CB Patrick Robinson could be the Packers first pick or Ted could trade down and get OT Bruce Campbell.

CB Trevard Lyndley in the 3rd or RB Tony Gerhart in the 3rd.

The big board let's you see some possibilities.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Interesting that Charles Brown is as low as 55. I'd be ecstatic if the Packers could get him in the 2nd round.


I'ms surprised he's that high!!

http://grafiqa.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/charlie_brown_lucy_football.jpg

[MadScientist]

Interesting that Charles Brown is as low as 55. I'd be ecstatic if the Packers could get him in the 2nd round.


I'ms surprised he's that high!!

http://grafiqa.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/charlie_brown_lucy_football.jpg
They had him out of position at kicker. Still I'd be worried about his really short arms at tackle. :lol:

[Sparkey]

A nice one two pick would be Jahvid Best and then Ducasse in the second.

[swede]

the thing i don't like about clausen is a guy named brady quinn

quinn was also a sure fire over hyped notre dame player from the same system

quinn sucked, like almost all of the "ready for the pros" qb's that ND has sent out since joe montana

brady quinn
carlyle holiday
ron powlus (the next joe montana)
rick mirer
steve beuerlein

ND qb's have a hype unlike any other in college

Good post. Brady Quinn was supposed to be the future of the Browns. If the Browns are smart, they'll draft a QB.

Think they'll draft Jimmy Claussen?

[Brandon494]

the thing i don't like about clausen is a guy named brady quinn

quinn was also a sure fire over hyped notre dame player from the same system

quinn sucked, like almost all of the "ready for the pros" qb's that ND has sent out since joe montana

brady quinn
carlyle holiday
ron powlus (the next joe montana)
rick mirer
steve beuerlein

ND qb's have a hype unlike any other in college

Good post. Brady Quinn was supposed to be the future of the Browns. If the Browns are smart, they'll draft a QB.

Think they'll draft Jimmy Claussen?

Quinn does not have near the arm Claussen has.

Also look at the numbers this guy put up.... 28 TDs only 4 INTs 68% cmp 3,722 passing yards.

Now I hate ND but Claussen is a stud and did his job, the defense just could not stop anybody.

[Brandon494]

I would think Tebow would be the first QB selected based on his resume and leadership skills. I haven't watched an entire Notre Dame game with Clausen at QB, but I've seen a little tape. His arm strength didn't seem outstanding to me, but like I said...I haven't watched an entire game. I'll definitely check out some more highlights on that kid. I heard that WVU's Jarrett Brown impressed some scouts. He's a good QB, but he had to sit behind Pat White until his senior year and he hasn't had a chance to show what all he can do. Hopefully he'll get a chance at the next level.

Tim Tebow? Really?

I don't know if you just dont watch much college football or you are just bad at scouting talent. Tebow is the next Heath Miller, he is not a NFL QB.

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the thing i don't like about clausen is a guy named brady quinn

quinn was also a sure fire over hyped notre dame player from the same system

quinn sucked, like almost all of the "ready for the pros" qb's that ND has sent out since joe montana

brady quinn
carlyle holiday
ron powlus (the next joe montana)
rick mirer
steve beuerlein

ND qb's have a hype unlike any other in college

Good post. Brady Quinn was supposed to be the future of the Browns. If the Browns are smart, they'll draft a QB.

Think they'll draft Jimmy Claussen?

Quinn does not have near the arm Claussen has.

Also look at the numbers this guy put up.... 28 TDs only 4 INTs 68% cmp 3,722 passing yards.

Now I hate ND but Claussen is a stud and did his job, the defense just could not stop anybody.

quinn put up better numbers

2005- 3919 yards 30 tds 7 ints 65% completion
2006- 3426 yards 37 tds 7 ints 62% completion

brady quinn was also a "stud" and did his job too

[Brandon494]

the thing i don't like about clausen is a guy named brady quinn

quinn was also a sure fire over hyped notre dame player from the same system

quinn sucked, like almost all of the "ready for the pros" qb's that ND has sent out since joe montana

brady quinn
carlyle holiday
ron powlus (the next joe montana)
rick mirer
steve beuerlein

ND qb's have a hype unlike any other in college

Good post. Brady Quinn was supposed to be the future of the Browns. If the Browns are smart, they'll draft a QB.

Think they'll draft Jimmy Claussen?

Quinn does not have near the arm Claussen has.

Also look at the numbers this guy put up.... 28 TDs only 4 INTs 68% cmp 3,722 passing yards.

Now I hate ND but Claussen is a stud and did his job, the defense just could not stop anybody.

quinn put up better numbers

2005- 3919 yards 30 tds 7 ints 65% completion
2006- 3426 yards 37 tds 7 ints 62% completion

brady quinn was also a "stud" and did his job too

This is true but Quinn has a noodle arm.

Their games are totally different, you can't compare them by their stats.

[Brando19]

I would think Tebow would be the first QB selected based on his resume and leadership skills. I haven't watched an entire Notre Dame game with Clausen at QB, but I've seen a little tape. His arm strength didn't seem outstanding to me, but like I said...I haven't watched an entire game. I'll definitely check out some more highlights on that kid. I heard that WVU's Jarrett Brown impressed some scouts. He's a good QB, but he had to sit behind Pat White until his senior year and he hasn't had a chance to show what all he can do. Hopefully he'll get a chance at the next level.

Tim Tebow? Really?

I don't know if you just dont watch much college football or you are just bad at scouting talent. Tebow is the next Heath Miller, he is not a NFL QB.

You are just as good at evaluating talent as I am...meaning we should both keep our day jobs. Time will tell on Tebow.

[Brandon494]

I'll keep my day job but I believe I'm better at scouting talent than you are if you believe Tebow will be successful in the NFL. I hope he doest well but its not happening, atleast at the QB position.