Random Football Stuff

[MJZiggy]

Any moves, etc. you find interesting.

The Ravens this week signed a one-year deal with Dante Stallworth said to be worth $900K with $300K in incentives. Interesting now that the legal issues are done for now...

[DannoMac21]

Makes you wonder what kind of murder schemes Ray Lewis and Stallworth will think of. Scary.

[The Leaper]

Cincinnati signing Matt Jones is funny. They are going to TRY to turn him into a TE, more than likely against his will...and that experiment has about zero chance of success.

[pbmax]

Can we do CBA here?

Troy Vincent just got a job in the league office, not a year after he was a finalist for the Executive Directors Position for the NFLPA.

His position? Vice-President of Player Development for Active Players.

His boss? NFL vice president of law and labor policy Adolpho Birch.

This is going to get ugly.

[pbmax]

Cincinnati signing Matt Jones is funny. They are going to TRY to turn him into a TE, more than likely against his will...and that experiment has about zero chance of success.


Pro Football Talk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/19/bengals-say-matt-jones-will-play-wide-receiver-not-tight-end/)[/b]]Bengals say Matt Jones will play wide receiver, not tight end

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 19, 2010 12:34 PM ET
When reports surfaced that the Bengals might play the newly signed Matt Jones at tight end rather than wide receiver, PFT's birthday boy pointed out that Jones isn't that big and isn't known for his blocking skills.

So it's good news for Bengals fans that the team says Jones will, in fact, play wide receiver.

Geoff Hobson of Bengals.com reports that the Bengals aren't thinking about putting Jones at tight end (http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Slants-and-screens-Offers-and-downers/f633a6fc-e39a-4462-a34e-8156fd7de482). Per Hobson, tight end is a need for the Bengals, but it's a need they're likely to address through the draft, not by putting the 218-pound Jones at a position he's never played.

Jones reportedly had an awful workout and probably won't make the team anyway. But if he does, it'll be at wide receiver, not tight end.

[Joemailman]

Can we do CBA here?

Troy Vincent just got a job in the league office, not a year after he was a finalist for the Executive Directors Position for the NFLPA.

His position? Vice-President of Player Development for Active Players.

His boss? NFL vice president of law and labor policy Adolpho Birch.

This is going to get ugly.

Union wedge, double agent, or neither?

[pbmax]

Can we do CBA here?

Troy Vincent just got a job in the league office, not a year after he was a finalist for the Executive Directors Position for the NFLPA.

His position? Vice-President of Player Development for Active Players.

His boss? NFL vice president of law and labor policy Adolpho Birch.

This is going to get ugly.

Union wedge, double agent, or neither?
PFT had a second article that had Union sources saying it looks to be a wedge play, maybe to coax some of Vincent's supporters to look at the League's position. But its a dangerous move to go to the side that made the first move that resulted in a number of players being RFAs instead of UFAs.

The NFLPA is a weird beast. Apparently, Vincent and Upshaw had a huge falling out, but no one knows what it was about or over. And no one knows what Vincent's goal is. Then there was the revolt led by the kicker to get Upshaw to name a successor. It seems as though there is a younger (but still veteran) generation that did not like Upshaw holding all the cards. But no one knows what they hope to change.

Its terrible timing all around. Some of the best football ever has been played under this CBA structure. Most of the best Super Bowls have been under this structure. 2009 was an aberration in that the league started to split again into very good teams and horrible teams; parity took a beating. I do not think it has been a coincidence that some teams have been way closer to the salary floor than to its cap.

Of course, some of those teams with low payrolls need revenue sharing (the supplemental sharing of local revenues) and the teams that pay that bill have stadium construction costs and higher interest rates to deal with. So there is common ground, if the two sides care to find it.

[Joemailman]

LaDainian Tomlinson released.

Another great RB with a relatively short career, at least as a starter. Makes you really appreciate guys like Payton and Emmitt Smith.


http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2010-02-22/chargers-release-ladainian-tomlinson-after-nine-seasons

[Fosco33]

LaDainian Tomlinson released.

Another great RB with a relatively short career, at least as a starter. Makes you really appreciate guys like Payton and Emmitt Smith.


http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2010-02-22/chargers-release-ladainian-tomlinson-after-nine-seasons

New England, Philadelphia - or GREEN BAY. He wants to play for a contender with a proven QB.

What say you, packer nation? We brought back Green last year - could LT be a 2nd/3rd down back for the right price?

[pbmax]

OK, I am going to behave and put this in the random football stuff thread. But as soon as someone less disciplined than me posts it as its own thread, I will start to whine and cry like a locked out basketball player.

Packers Sign Derrick Martin to a 2 Year Deal

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/84997367.html

So that is 2 special teamers locked up longish term (Bush as well). At least we know Ted has that market pegged.

[red]

OK, I am going to behave and put this in the random football stuff thread. But as soon as someone less disciplined than me posts it as its own thread, I will start to whine and cry like a locked out basketball player.

Packers Sign Derrick Martin to a 2 Year Deal

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/84997367.html

So that is 2 special teamers locked up longish term (Bush as well). At least we know Ted has that market pegged.

you gotta be effing kidding me

[Joemailman]

Martin kind of supplanted Jarrett Bush as the Packers top special teams cover guy. Bush could finally be on his way out this time.

[Smidgeon]

Martin kind of supplanted Jarrett Bush as the Packers top special teams cover guy. Bush could finally be on his way out this time.

Plus, seeing Martin on special teams...he's a friggin' demon. As long as that's what he's doing, I'm glad he's on the Packers. Let's just hope that should the time arise when he's substituted in a defensive package that he doesn't bring to mind Bush.

[channtheman]

Makes you wonder what kind of murder schemes Ray Lewis and Stallworth will think of. Scary.

Fuckin LMAO. That is awesome! :lol:

[Bretsky]

OK, I am going to behave and put this in the random football stuff thread. But as soon as someone less disciplined than me posts it as its own thread, I will start to whine and cry like a locked out basketball player.

Packers Sign Derrick Martin to a 2 Year Deal

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/84997367.html

So that is 2 special teamers locked up longish term (Bush as well). At least we know Ted has that market pegged.


Derrick Martin IMO is Bush but a bit better; I read he was very well thought of as a teammate. He's a nice number six DB who is the top special teams guy.

If TT does his job Martin will be an upgrade to Bush and Bush will head silently to the Rams...wait....I like the Rams...send him to da Bears !

Regardless they are similar players but IMO Martin is better.

[Smidgeon]

Awesome-ugha (i.e. Asomugha) is available via trade. Any takers considering the astronomical salary and trade bait required?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/23/raiders-looking-to-unload-players/

[red]

Awesome-ugha (i.e. Asomugha) is available via trade. Any takers considering the astronomical salary and trade bait required?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/23/raiders-looking-to-unload-players/

not a chance in hell

great player, but you would have to give him 15 million up front before he even plays a game(roster and option bonus). and i would imagine his salary is pretty decent too

thats a lot of money to pay one player for one year

[Joemailman]

Crazy Al will either have to pay him, or cut him. The only guy who would be crazy enough to trade for a guy with that contract is, well, Al.

[MJZiggy]

OK, I am going to behave and put this in the random football stuff thread. But as soon as someone less disciplined than me posts it as its own thread, I will start to whine and cry like a locked out basketball player.

Packers Sign Derrick Martin to a 2 Year Deal

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/84997367.html

So that is 2 special teamers locked up longish term (Bush as well). At least we know Ted has that market pegged.

Actually I thought you guys would automatically start threads for Packer stuff. I thought this would be a good place to put random league stuff that wasn't done by the Pack.

[LP]

Crazy Al will either have to pay him, or cut him. The only guy who would be crazy enough to trade for a guy with that contract is, well, Al.

What are the chances Al will try and make a deal with himself?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Crazy Al will either have to pay him, or cut him. The only guy who would be crazy enough to trade for a guy with that contract is, well, Al.

What are the chances Al will try and make a deal with himself?

Now that Matt Millan is retired, you may have a point.

[Smidgeon]

Crazy Al will either have to pay him, or cut him. The only guy who would be crazy enough to trade for a guy with that contract is, well, Al.

What are the chances Al will try and make a deal with himself?

Now that Matt Millan is retired, you may have a point.

There's always Snyder...

[Brando19]

Wow. Darren Sproles may hit the open market! Open your wallet, Teddy bear!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/23/report-sproles-wont-be-back-on-one-year-deal/

[Brando19]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/23/report-bears-looking-to-pick-up-peppers/

Looks like the Bears number one target is Julius Peppers. They also want AK74.

[pbmax]

Peppers wants to play OLB in a 3-4 doesn't he?

[pbmax]

Dunta Robinson is supposed to hit the FA market. What sayeth our pro scouting department on ol' Dunta?

[Brando19]

According to PFT...the Jets are close to cutting Lito Sheppard. There's a guy we might wanna look at.

[Brando19]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4952941

The Jets are set to release Thomas Jones. And TO is going to be a Free Agent. This is the biggest star studded free agent class in years. Sure they're mostly washed up, but most still have a bit left in the tank. Surely TT will be a little active this year.

[MJZiggy]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4952941

The Jets are set to release Thomas Jones. And TO is going to be a Free Agent. This is the biggest star studded free agent class in years. Sure they're mostly washed up, but most still have a bit left in the tank. Surely TT will be a little active this year.

Not if he feels they're washed up, he won't.

[Bretsky]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4952941

The Jets are set to release Thomas Jones. And TO is going to be a Free Agent. This is the biggest star studded free agent class in years. Sure they're mostly washed up, but most still have a bit left in the tank. Surely TT will be a little active this year.

Not if he feels they're washed up, he won't.


All free agents are washed up

[MJZiggy]

I'm glad you've finally come to your senses.

[Joemailman]

I could see Jones ending up in New England or Philly. Don't think he's be interested in Green Bay with Grant here.

[Lurker64]

Isn't Thomas Jones like 32 years old? That's pretty ancient for an RB, I imagine that alone will temper the market enthusiasm.

[steve823]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/01/rams-ready-to-part-ways-with-alex-barron/

Anyone think we might have a shot at him. Now he hasn't lived up to his college hype, but I wouldn't mind grabbing him. However a 2nd round pick is too high. I would only do it for a 3rd ,but I'm unsure how all the rules are so I doubt he will be any cheaper then a 2nd.

[steve823]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/01/rams-ready-to-part-ways-with-alex-barron/

Anyone think we might have a shot at him. Now he hasn't lived up to his college hype, but I wouldn't mind grabbing him. However a 2nd round pick is too high. I would only do it for a 3rd ,but I'm unsure how all the rules are so I doubt he will be any cheaper then a 2nd.

Woah, nevermind. I've been doing some research and he is very athletic and has physical tools ,but he was the most penalized OT last year. I think we all know how great our coaching staff is at fixing the penalties.

[Brando19]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/01/rams-ready-to-part-ways-with-alex-barron/

Anyone think we might have a shot at him. Now he hasn't lived up to his college hype, but I wouldn't mind grabbing him. However a 2nd round pick is too high. I would only do it for a 3rd ,but I'm unsure how all the rules are so I doubt he will be any cheaper then a 2nd.

Woah, nevermind. I've been doing some research and he is very athletic and has physical tools ,but he was the most penalized OT last year. I think we all know how great our coaching staff is at fixing the penalties.

I thought Flozell Adams was the most penalized OT last year?

[steve823]

That's what i thought too. Regardless this guy is up there and isn't worth a 2nd.

[Joemailman]

Big Ben accused of sexual assault...again.
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Trenches/entry/view/58298/report-steelers-qb-ben-roethlisberger-accused-of-sexual-assault

[steve823]

Mary Kay Cabot, of The Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports the Cleveland Browns may be interested in acquiring Green Bay Packers QB Matt Flynn, according to a source.

Doubt anything happens ,but hey it caught my eye when I read it.

[pbmax]

Mary Kay Cabot, of The Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports the Cleveland Browns may be interested in acquiring Green Bay Packers QB Matt Flynn, according to a source.

Doubt anything happens ,but hey it caught my eye when I read it.
Flynn and a fourth for Joe Thomas and Josh Cribbs. Easy trade to make Mr. Holmgren. :lol:

[steve823]

Mary Kay Cabot, of The Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports the Cleveland Browns may be interested in acquiring Green Bay Packers QB Matt Flynn, according to a source.

Doubt anything happens ,but hey it caught my eye when I read it.
Flynn and a fourth for Joe Thomas and Josh Cribbs. Easy trade to make Mr. Holmgren. :lol:

Sounds good. Throw in some twinkies and Holmgren won't be able to pass the trade up.

[Joemailman]

Seriously, it could possibly happen. Cleveland has some extra draft picks. One thing Holmgren has done in both Green Bay and Seattle was immediately trade for a Quarterback.

[steve823]

Oh yea it could happen. IT would probably be for a 4th or worse though..I couldn't imagine them giving more then that, even a 4th round pick seems high.

Thing is would it be worth getting rid of him, since it would essentially leave us with nothing at quarterback again.

[SkinBasket]

Thing is would it be worth getting rid of him, since it would essentially leave us with nothing at quarterback again.

http://austinsthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/080307-aaron-rodgers-widec.jpg - http://www.freewebs.com/footballthoughts/matt%20flynn.jpg = http://austinsthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/080307-aaron-rodgers-widec.jpg

Not zero.

[steve823]

You really going to nitpick? It's obvious I meant in terms of backup qbs. :bs:

[Fritz]

If all you'd get would be a fourth round pick, then it seems a useless trade. By all accounts Flynn has improved greatly and would be a fine backup for GB this year.

What the hell would you do with a fourth? Draft another QB to develop and leave yourself - as the team did two years ago - with no backup QB who has any experience whatsoever in the NFL? Sign Daunte Culpepper so you can draft a project in the fourth round?

Nah, doesn't sound good. Give Flynn one more year to increase his stock, draft a young buck in this year's draft, let the young guy sit at the #3 spot this year, then see what happens.

And now that Clifton's re-signed, trading Flynn and Hawk for Joe Thomas wouldn't even make sense (that's my crazy-fan-trade-of-the-day, though I prolly should've written "Joe Thomas and Josh Cribbs").

[SkinBasket]

You really going to nitpick? It's obvious I meant in terms of backup qbs. :bs:

And my point was more about the value of Matt Flynn. I'm not buying that Flynn can be a half decent QB til I see it.

On a side note, I don't understand why you all turn green when you masturbate. I would think maybe you would be a little pink or red depending on your pace, blue if you're going at it David Carradine Kung-Fu style, but green?

[ThunderDan]

You really going to nitpick? It's obvious I meant in terms of backup qbs. :bs:

And my point was more about the value of Matt Flynn. I'm not buying that Flynn can be a half decent QB til I see it.

On a side note, I don't understand why you all turn green when you masturbate. I would think maybe you would be a little pink or red depending on your pace, blue if you're going at it David Carradine Kung-Fu style, but green?

I think it was Partial who stated last year after the Packers 4-4 start that there was a QB controversy brewing and that ARod was going to be benched or could be benched because of Flynn's strong play at practice.

I mean if P brought it up it must be true.

[SkinBasket]

Wasn't Cutler also the best QB in the division?

[mission]

You really going to nitpick? It's obvious I meant in terms of backup qbs. :bs:

And my point was more about the value of Matt Flynn. I'm not buying that Flynn can be a half decent QB til I see it.

On a side note, I don't understand why you all turn green when you masturbate. I would think maybe you would be a little pink or red depending on your pace, blue if you're going at it David Carradine Kung-Fu style, but green?

I think it was Partial who stated last year after the Packers 4-4 start that there was a QB controversy brewing and that ARod was going to be benched or could be benched because of Flynn's strong play at practice.

I mean if P brought it up it must be true.

:lol: :lol: :lol: i forgot about that

[Fritz]

I'm a little concerned about Vandermause. Here's a phrase he's been using far too often lately:

"...remain desperate to fill another gaping hole."

I think that dude's been watching a bit too much porn lately.

[ThunderDan]

You really going to nitpick? It's obvious I meant in terms of backup qbs. :bs:

And my point was more about the value of Matt Flynn. I'm not buying that Flynn can be a half decent QB til I see it.

On a side note, I don't understand why you all turn green when you masturbate. I would think maybe you would be a little pink or red depending on your pace, blue if you're going at it David Carradine Kung-Fu style, but green?

I think it was Partial who stated last year after the Packers 4-4 start that there was a QB controversy brewing and that ARod was going to be benched or could be benched because of Flynn's strong play at practice.

I mean if P brought it up it must be true.

:lol: :lol: :lol: i forgot about that

Here it is in all its glory:

"I will get flamed to hell for this but I've heard rumbling of an eventual QB controversy. You heard it here first. Flynn has evidently looked awesome in practice as he is an innovator like Favre, and his arm strength is getting better to match his pinpoint accuracy. There is a growing school of thought that they found a diamond in the rough out of LSU. "

[red]

Colts just released Ryan Lilja

anyone know much about him? is he better than colledge?

he was the starting guard for a super bowl team and is only 28

[packers11]

Raiders released WR Javon Walker and DE Greg Ellis.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

J-Walks has hit a new bottom...

[packers11]

Colts just released Ryan Lilja

anyone know much about him? is he better than colledge?

he was the starting guard for a super bowl team and is only 28

Colts released LG Ryan Lilja.
Lilja started in the Super Bowl, but struggled badly as a run blocker along with much of Indianapolis' front five last season. The 28-year-old missed all of 2008 due to multiple knee surgeries, returning in 2009 without much left. The Colts are likely to pursue interior line help in April's draft. Mar. 8 - 5:20 pm et
Source: FOX Sports

[Freak Out]

I just heard Big Ben was under investigation again for sexual assault.....partying with school girls in Georgia. Woot.

[Fritz]

I'm just gonna say it. It's a knee jerk thing: Mark Chmura!

[Brandon494]

I just heard Big Ben was under investigation again for sexual assault.....partying with school girls in Georgia. Woot.

First of all they were college girls who are legal and second he was set up.

When the cops asked the female to describe her attacker she said 6'5 240 pounds, his exact height and weight. Something about that to me is just fishy. Then again I wasn't there so what do I know.

[Bretsky]

Ryan Clark resigns with Pitt; no surprise there and good for Pitt

Javon Walker released; Nick Barnett twittered Walker would love to play for GB again

Dear TT

Go sign Tauscher

[Bretsky]

Looking at the whole Peppers deal, this is the only part that counts

Peppers deal is 40.5M for 3 yrs

rest is nonguaranteed fluff.

[Bretsky]

CONGRATS TO CHRIS CHAMBERS

every time I read about him I remember Da Fraud

[Bretsky]

Will Allen was a good depth signing for the Steelers

[Scott Campbell]

Congratulations to Javon Walker for soaking crazy Al Davis out of $21M. At least you made some dough after you left GB, but you sure sucked.

[Bretsky]

Greg Ellis, a decent DE for the Cowboys a while back....also took big AL for a loot. He was released today as well.....a decent player before who turned worthless for da Raiders.

[Brando19]

Looks like Holmgren and the Browns won't be going after Flynn. Just saw that Holmgren got Seneca Wallace from the Seahawks.

[swede]

Looks like Holmgren and the Browns won't be going after Flynn. Just saw that Holmgren got Seneca Wallace from the Seahawks.

And there goes the honeymoon in Cleveland.


Edit: JK, the Rams also picked up a clipboard holder that knew the head coach. I think coaches like to have former backups in the Radar O'Reilly role. They already know how the coach likes the clipboard color-coded.

[Brando19]

The Eagles traded WR Reggie Brown to the Bucs for a 6th round pick.

[vince]

Walker would love to play for GB again
Now that's funny right there!

[packers11]

Walker would love to play for GB again
Now that's funny right there!

Nick Barnett

Had a conversation with Javon said he would love to play for the packers again but who wouldn't lol
about 6 hours ago via Tweetie

[pbmax]

Seneca Wallace?

Guess Brady is going into the season Number 1.

[pbmax]

Will Allen was a good depth signing for the Steelers
Allen has been dumped by the Bucs and the Giants, hasn't he? Now he is signing up to be a special teams player. I think its more likely he is simply a more recognizable version of Derek Martin.

B, what do you think about the G Men signing Rolle? I know you like the former and current GM combo for the Giants, but did they get taken for a ride for top dollar for an average safety?

[Iron Mike]

Emmitt Smif rips on Dan Snyder:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Dan-Snyder-makes-Emmitt-Smith-just-want-to-pumme?urn=nfl,226677

"I loved defeating the Redskins," said Smith. "I loved it, I loved it, I loved it with a passion. And I loved it more when Daniel Snyder got the team, for a number of reasons. I did. Because here is a guy who thought he could build a football team just because he has the money to buy players. There's more to it than that."

Yeah, you have to be able to pull off the Herschel Walker trade. :roll:

[Fritz]

Looks like Holmgren and the Browns won't be going after Flynn. Just saw that Holmgren got Seneca Wallace from the Seahawks.

And there goes the honeymoon in Cleveland.


Edit: JK, the Rams also picked up a clipboard holder that knew the head coach. I think coaches like to have former backups in the Radar O'Reilly role. They already know how the coach likes the clipboard color-coded.

But Holmgren's not the head coach...

If I were a Cleveland fan, I would not be heartened by this move. Not at all. It's not a major move, but if he brings in any more Seahogs (of that lack of caliber) it signals a guy who's comfortable with what he knows, not a guy who's confident enough to rip it up and go find players - by sitting in the film room.

[Bretsky]

Will Allen was a good depth signing for the Steelers
Allen has been dumped by the Bucs and the Giants, hasn't he? Now he is signing up to be a special teams player. I think its more likely he is simply a more recognizable version of Derek Martin.

B, what do you think about the G Men signing Rolle? I know you like the former and current GM combo for the Giants, but did they get taken for a ride for top dollar for an average safety?


I think they overpaid a bit but by no means did they get taken for a ride. I think Rolle will be a well above average safety for them and they slightly overpaid. But they could afford this, they identified their #1 guy they wanted, and they went out and secured the deal. I don't think he's as good as Collins but IMO he's also way better than most think he is.

[Fritz]

Remember Jason Hunter? Special teams demon, a bit too light to be an every down DE? Check this out:

"The team also placed a second-round tender on restricted free agent Jason Hunter."

From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100309/SPORTS0101/3090325/Lions-say-goodbye-to-defensive-end-Dewayne-White#ixzz0hgTgJ8dI

Is it just me, or is that pretty high for a guy of that caliber?

[SkinBasket]

Remember Jason Hunter? Special teams demon, a bit too light to be an every down DE?

Is it just me, or is that pretty high for a guy of that caliber?

Don't forget we have a second on Bigby. I would put them in the same boat. Then sink it.

[ThunderDan]

Remember Jason Hunter? Special teams demon, a bit too light to be an every down DE?

Is it just me, or is that pretty high for a guy of that caliber?

Don't forget we have a second on Bigby. I would put them in the same boat. Then sink it.

At least we could let Bigby live. He can go back home and smoke some weed.

[mission]

Will Allen was a good depth signing for the Steelers
Allen has been dumped by the Bucs and the Giants, hasn't he? Now he is signing up to be a special teams player. I think its more likely he is simply a more recognizable version of Derek Martin.

B, what do you think about the G Men signing Rolle? I know you like the former and current GM combo for the Giants, but did they get taken for a ride for top dollar for an average safety?


I think they overpaid a bit but by no means did they get taken for a ride. I think Rolle will be a well above average safety for them and they slightly overpaid. But they could afford this, they identified their #1 guy they wanted, and they went out and secured the deal. I don't think he's as good as Collins but IMO he's also way better than most think he is.

Agreed. It's not like Rolle completely bent them over backwards. They did exactly what they had to do to get their guy... not an unreasonable move.

[get louder at lambeau]

Remember Jason Hunter? Special teams demon, a bit too light to be an every down DE? Check this out:

"The team also placed a second-round tender on restricted free agent Jason Hunter."

From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100309/SPORTS0101/3090325/Lions-say-goodbye-to-defensive-end-Dewayne-White#ixzz0hgTgJ8dI

Is it just me, or is that pretty high for a guy of that caliber?

Hunter was undrafted, so it's a second round tender or basically right of refusal with an original round tender. He also had 5 sacks for them last year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Rolle = well above average safety? Really?

[Brando19]

TT made a move!

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/87167532.html

[Bretsky]

Rumor has it he might even try punting :!:

[Joemailman]

The guy averaged 21 yards per kick return, but that's on a 50 yard field. So that's like averaging 42 yards per return in the NFL, right?

[steve823]

Seems like a decent move. He was drafted by the Colts GM, who is top-notch. Also, the only reason he got waived was because he was injured so it's not like the talent is lacking.

[pbmax]

The guy averaged 21 yards per kick return, but that's on a 50 yard field. So that's like averaging 42 yards per return in the NFL, right?
Yes, but don't they field it off a bounce from the endzone wall/net like Yastrzemski in Left Field at Fenway?

[Fritz]

Man, you know it's the slow part of the offseason now.

[Freak Out]

So it looks like the fake McNabby trade story caught a few people.

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2010/03/500x_dmcnabb.jpg

[steve823]

So it looks like the fake McNabby trade story caught a few people.

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2010/03/500x_dmcnabb.jpg

Didn't Andy Reid make it clear he wasn't getting rid of McNabb? I don't know why people keep saying they will get McNabb. This is also why I stick to nfl.com so I don't get caught up in fake stories.

[Fritz]

Hey, I just heard the Eagles traded McNabb to the 49ers. Wow!

[MichiganPackerFan]

Thing is would it be worth getting rid of him, since it would essentially leave us with nothing at quarterback again.

http://austinsthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/080307-aaron-rodgers-widec.jpg - http://www.freewebs.com/footballthoughts/matt%20flynn.jpg = http://austinsthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/080307-aaron-rodgers-widec.jpg

Not zero.

What's with the picture of Matt Damon?

[hoosier]

Hey, I just heard the Eagles traded McNabb to the 49ers. Wow!

That story was a fake. The real story of the day is that the Eagles just signed Terrell Owens.

[pbmax]

According to Bedard, Colledge was on the list of player attendees for Fan Fest. He is not on the current list. Let the speculation commence.

<<<>>>

Andrew Brandt's one sentence deconstruction of Collin's agent Alan Herman's quote about signing the tender offer:

We have done our part Green Bay. Now show us the money!

<<<>>>

Also according to Bedard, Packer's draft strategy should not include a reach at pick number 1 because the Packers do not have a lot of All-Pros on the team. I can't wait to see his explanation next year, if that number should increase, that it was all due to his suggestion on drafting strategy. :roll:

Bedard's Daily Briefing for 3/12/10: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/87479872.html

[Bretsky]

Reports are LT is deciding between the Vikings and the Jets

I still think Westbrook, if you give him time to get healthy, functions as a stellar 3rd down back for teams like MN and GB

[CaptainKickass]

Cleveland Inks deal with Del-Homey

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/cleveland-browns-jake-delhomme-031310


Updated Mar 13, 2010 6:49 PM ET
CLEVELAND (AP)
Free agent quarterback Jake Delhomme has agreed to terms on a two-year contract with the Cleveland Browns.

The QB's agent, Rick Smith confirmed Delhomme's agreement with the Browns, who have been busy trying to fix a troublesome position. Delhomme, 35, was released last week after seven seasons with the Carolina Panthers.

He had been scheduled to visit the New Orleans Saints, his hometown team, but canceled the trip. Delhomme visited the Browns on Thursday but left without a deal.

Delhomme is expected to compete for Cleveland's starting job with Brady Quinn. Earlier this week, the Browns acquired backup Seneca Wallace in a trade with Seattle and released Derek Anderson.

------------------------------------

Really Holmgren? Jake Delhomme? Seneca Wallace?

The "Big Show" in Cleveland is not impressing.

.

[Fritz]

I agree, Cap'n.

Looks more like a group of castaways, stranded.

Which one's Ginger?

[packers11]

Quinn traded to Broncos!

rotoworld.com


Broncos acquired QB Brady Quinn from the Browns in exchange for FB Peyton Hillis and two conditional draft picks.

While Quinn won't be guaranteed anything in Denver -- he'll have to beat out Tom Brandstater and Chris Simms just to threaten Kyle Orton -- the move is a best-case landing spot for the former No. 22 overall pick. At Notre Dame, Quinn played in essentially an identical offense to the one Josh McDaniels runs in Denver, and McDaniels' track record of coaching up QBs is highly impressive. Quinn is again a worthwhile stash in dynasty leagues.

[Brando19]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/15/seahawk-dump-deon-grant-darryl-tapp-signs-tender/

Anyone know anything about S Deon Grant? Should TT take a look at him?

[Joemailman]

Packers have a workout scheduled with Chris Cook, CB/S from Virginia. 6-2, 212. Expected to probably be a 2nd round pick. Supposed to be pretty good in zone coverage.

[Brandon494]

Packers have a workout scheduled with Chris Cook, CB/S from Virginia. 6-2, 212. Expected to probably be a 2nd round pick. Supposed to be pretty good in zone coverage.

I'm a VT fan and hate UVA BUT Chris Cook is a player and would love if we drafted him. Only thing that kinda concerns me is while he has all the athletic ability you want in a CB he does have a few character issues missing all of the 2008 season for academics reasons. Also heard he only put up 7 bench reps which is pretty weak for someone his size.

[pbmax]

Can someone explain to me how Matthew Stafford could "know" Nate Burleson from an NFL personnel standpoint?


PFT-Rosenthal (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/16/matthew-stafford-does-it-all/)[/b]]Stafford told Detroit-area reporters Tuesday that the team keeps him in the loop on free agent moves and asks for feedback. He also makes an occasional recruiting pitch, like the phone call he made to Nate Burleson when free agency opened.

"It's exciting to be able to bounce ideas -- I think they know I know a lot of the guys in the league and the personnel pretty well," Stafford said. "It's fun to be able to help out a little bit.''

[Bretsky]

IS SEATTLE INSANE ????????????e

For a Whitehurst, they swapped second round picks (I think that has them moving down about twenty picks

AND

gave up a 2011 3rd round pick.

I think that's about a second round draft pick for a QB who is a year older than Aaron Rodgers and really has no NFL Experience

[CaptainKickass]

IS SEATTLE INSANE ????????????e

For a Whitehurst, they swapped second round picks (I think that has them moving down about twenty picks

AND

gave up a 2011 3rd round pick.

I think that's about a second round draft pick for a QB who is a year older than Aaron Rodgers and really has no NFL Experience

No Seattle is not insane in the classic sense.

It's just that there's some really high quality marijuana in the pacific northwest.

Everyone is just really baked...man.

:D

[packerbacker1234]

IS SEATTLE INSANE ????????????e

For a Whitehurst, they swapped second round picks (I think that has them moving down about twenty picks

AND

gave up a 2011 3rd round pick.

I think that's about a second round draft pick for a QB who is a year older than Aaron Rodgers and really has no NFL Experience

No Seattle is not insane in the classic sense.

It's just that there's some really high quality marijuana in the pacific northwest.

Everyone is just really baked...man.

:D

Who knows, maybe they seem something in Whitehurst?

I know, doubtful, but the guy better perform extremely well RIGHT NOW to save seattle.

[Brandon494]

I know a few teams were trying to go after Whitehurst and he has played pretty well in preseason games. Also has been tutored under Norv Turner the last 4 years so should be well prepared instead of drafting a QB with their #6 pick.

[Guiness]

Quinn traded to Broncos!

rotoworld.com


Broncos acquired QB Brady Quinn from the Browns in exchange for FB Peyton Hillis and two conditional draft picks.

While Quinn won't be guaranteed anything in Denver -- he'll have to beat out Tom Brandstater and Chris Simms just to threaten Kyle Orton -- the move is a best-case landing spot for the former No. 22 overall pick. At Notre Dame, Quinn played in essentially an identical offense to the one Josh McDaniels runs in Denver, and McDaniels' track record of coaching up QBs is highly impressive. Quinn is again a worthwhile stash in dynasty leagues.


This one is really something. That's awful quick to give up on a 1st round QB that you moved up to get! Did they lose that much confidence in him?

Quite the housecleaning at the position over there. Does Delhomme start???

[Brandon494]

Mike Holgrem didn't move up to get him though. Think he is just trying to clean house and get his type of QB.

[steve823]

Rumor in Philly is that Rams got Mcnabb for a 3rd round draft pick. Supposedly it has some truth to it.

[red]

Rumor in Philly is that Rams got Mcnabb for a 3rd round draft pick. Supposedly it has some truth to it.

IMO, that would make the seahawks look like the dumbest team ever

[steve823]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/24/conflicting-reports-emerge-regarding-mcnabb-to-rams/

Even though PFT is a horrible source there's definitely something going on. IMO McNabb isn't even worth Jarret Bush. He's horribly overrated and the only reason people consider him one of the "top" quarterbacks (even while he plays bad) and constantly praise him is because he is black. He's been known to play the race card also, so that can be another reason why many reporters and announcers don't bash him that much.

[Joemailman]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/24/conflicting-reports-emerge-regarding-mcnabb-to-rams/

Even though PFT is a horrible source there's definitely something going on. IMO McNabb isn't even worth Jarret Bush. He's horribly overrated and the only reason people consider him one of the "top" quarterbacks (even while he plays bad) and constantly praise him is because he is black. He's been known to play the race card also, so that can be another reason why many reporters and announcers don't bash him that much.

Nice speech Rush. Being black must also be the reason why no one ever criticizes Jamarcus Russell or Jason Campbell. Oh wait...

[Brandon494]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/24/conflicting-reports-emerge-regarding-mcnabb-to-rams/

Even though PFT is a horrible source there's definitely something going on. IMO McNabb isn't even worth Jarret Bush. He's horribly overrated and the only reason people consider him one of the "top" quarterbacks (even while he plays bad) and constantly praise him is because he is black. He's been known to play the race card also, so that can be another reason why many reporters and announcers don't bash him that much.

:roll:

Do you even watch football?

[steve823]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/24/conflicting-reports-emerge-regarding-mcnabb-to-rams/

Even though PFT is a horrible source there's definitely something going on. IMO McNabb isn't even worth Jarret Bush. He's horribly overrated and the only reason people consider him one of the "top" quarterbacks (even while he plays bad) and constantly praise him is because he is black. He's been known to play the race card also, so that can be another reason why many reporters and announcers don't bash him that much.

Nice speech Rush. Being black must also be the reason why no one ever criticizes Jamarcus Russell or Jason Campbell. Oh wait...

Not trying to get into a race debate on some internet site, I was giving an example.If you want go do some research on Mcnabb you'll see he isn't the amazing quarterbacks everyone makes him out to be, yet he's hardly criticized.

[Brandon494]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/24/conflicting-reports-emerge-regarding-mcnabb-to-rams/

Even though PFT is a horrible source there's definitely something going on. IMO McNabb isn't even worth Jarret Bush. He's horribly overrated and the only reason people consider him one of the "top" quarterbacks (even while he plays bad) and constantly praise him is because he is black. He's been known to play the race card also, so that can be another reason why many reporters and announcers don't bash him that much.

Nice speech Rush. Being black must also be the reason why no one ever criticizes Jamarcus Russell or Jason Campbell. Oh wait...

Not trying to get into a race debate on some internet site, I was giving an example.If you want go do some research on Mcnabb you'll see he isn't the amazing quarterbacks everyone makes him out to be, yet he's hardly criticized.

Guess you don't remember the Eagles before Mcnabb got there. Also besides Owens for 2 seasons and D Jackson recently, Mcnabb has really had no recievers. Sorry but thats just a ignorant statement to make. This guy has put up top numbers since he has been in the league.

[Gunakor]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/24/conflicting-reports-emerge-regarding-mcnabb-to-rams/

Even though PFT is a horrible source there's definitely something going on. IMO McNabb isn't even worth Jarret Bush. He's horribly overrated and the only reason people consider him one of the "top" quarterbacks (even while he plays bad) and constantly praise him is because he is black. He's been known to play the race card also, so that can be another reason why many reporters and announcers don't bash him that much.

Nice speech Rush. Being black must also be the reason why no one ever criticizes Jamarcus Russell or Jason Campbell. Oh wait...

Not trying to get into a race debate on some internet site, I was giving an example.If you want go do some research on Mcnabb you'll see he isn't the amazing quarterbacks everyone makes him out to be, yet he's hardly criticized.

McNabb led the Eagles to 4 NFC Championship games and a SB appearance. Of course he's going to be cut a little bit of slack. That's what happens when you win. I can give you another example of a QB who isn't the most amazing QB in the world either yet escaped a great deal of criticism.

[steve823]

I can understand that point of view Gunakor. That could be one of the reasons they cut him slack. At least your bringing up a logical point and arguing it unlike a lot of trolls here.

[Brandon494]

I can understand that point of view Gunakor. That could be one of the reasons they cut him slack. At least your bringing up a logical point and arguing it unlike a lot of trolls here.

:roll:

Sorry man but when you made stupid comments Im going to call you out on them.

[mr_blonde]

I can understand that point of view Gunakor. That could be one of the reasons they cut him slack. At least your bringing up a logical point and arguing it unlike a lot of trolls here.

:roll:

Sorry man but when you made stupid comments Im going to call you out on them.

[Brandon494]

:lol:

[pbmax]

McNabb is now rumored to be the subject of a trade discussion with the Raiders. Which makes a lot of sense since they have the reasonably priced Jamarcus Russell back there now. :roll:

[pbmax]

I know a few teams were trying to go after Whitehurst and he has played pretty well in preseason games. Also has been tutored under Norv Turner the last 4 years so should be well prepared instead of drafting a QB with their #6 pick.
But the report is that the Chargers sent the offer for the picks to the Seahawks, fully expecting to get a counter-offer back and instead they agreed to the deal as first proposed. That joke would be on the Seahawks, as no one else was bidding and they could have had him for less.

If he works out, no one will remember, but the Chargers are having a laugh right now.

[red]

McNabb is now rumored to be the subject of a trade discussion with the Raiders. Which makes a lot of sense since they have the reasonably priced Jamarcus Russell back there now. :roll:

if i'm McNabb i'm using ever last ounce of energy in my body pushing that veto button as many times as humanly possible

[DannoMac21]

IS SEATTLE INSANE ????????????e

For a Whitehurst, they swapped second round picks (I think that has them moving down about twenty picks

AND

gave up a 2011 3rd round pick.

I think that's about a second round draft pick for a QB who is a year older than Aaron Rodgers and really has no NFL Experience

No Seattle is not insane in the classic sense.

It's just that there's some really high quality marijuana in the pacific northwest.

Everyone is just really baked...man.

:D

I had some from Oregon a couple weeks ago. Shit was ridiculous.

[Freak Out]

McNabb is now rumored to be the subject of a trade discussion with the Raiders. Which makes a lot of sense since they have the reasonably priced Jamarcus Russell back there now. :roll:

if i'm McNabb i'm using ever last ounce of energy in my body pushing that veto button as many times as humanly possible

McNobby could be just what the Raiders need though....and he might do it. Granny would probably throw mad cash his way and he'd be living in the Bay area. With him behind center they could turn into a heck of a team.

[Joemailman]

Maybe one reason Raiders are looking to trade for McNabb:

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Trenches/entry/view/60836/jamarcus-russell-one-coach-says-his-body-is-transformed-one-report-has-him-at-290-lbs

Reports are JaMarcus Russell showed up at 290 pounds.

[steve823]

Maybe one reason Raiders are looking to trade for McNabb:

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Trenches/entry/view/60836/jamarcus-russell-one-coach-says-his-body-is-transformed-one-report-has-him-at-290-lbs

Reports are JaMarcus Russell showed up at 290 pounds.

Wow. 290 pounds for a quarterback. I wonder what the record is.

[LP]

Maybe one reason Raiders are looking to trade for McNabb:

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Trenches/entry/view/60836/jamarcus-russell-one-coach-says-his-body-is-transformed-one-report-has-him-at-290-lbs

Reports are JaMarcus Russell showed up at 290 pounds.

Wow. He could be his very own offensive lineman.

[BZnDallas]

Maybe one reason Raiders are looking to trade for McNabb:

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Trenches/entry/view/60836/jamarcus-russell-one-coach-says-his-body-is-transformed-one-report-has-him-at-290-lbs

Reports are JaMarcus Russell showed up at 290 pounds.

Wow. 290 pounds for a quarterback. I wonder what the record is.

i dont know what the record is but a few years ago the NY Giants had a back up that was 300+... can't remember his name and dont feel like looking it up... but i remember that kat was a mac truck as a qb...

[CaptainKickass]

Maybe one reason Raiders are looking to trade for McNabb:

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Trenches/entry/view/60836/jamarcus-russell-one-coach-says-his-body-is-transformed-one-report-has-him-at-290-lbs

Reports are JaMarcus Russell showed up at 290 pounds.

Wow. 290 pounds for a quarterback. I wonder what the record is.

i dont know what the record is but a few years ago the NY Giants had a back up that was 300+... can't remember his name and dont feel like looking it up... but i remember that kat was a mac truck as a qb...

Yeah - but I remember his nickname:

"The Hefty Lefty"

:)

[Bretsky]

I think that dude was the QB at Kentucky in college

[BlueBrewer]

I think that dude was the QB at Kentucky in college
Lorenzen I think

[Joemailman]

Chad Lorenzen

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3BaJMgGKAmE/SZovPyVa2LI/AAAAAAAAI8g/Ktz-a_klFcc/s320/jared+lorenzen.jpg

[vince]

Lorenzen's first name is Jared. He's also known as JLoad. Wikipedia lists him at 285, which means that he undoubtedly went 300.

[K-town]

The Pillsbury Throwboy.

[steve823]

Not sure if anyone posted this, but this is a good article.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/29/mccarthy-umpire-in-backfield-would-have-seen-cardinals-penalty/

McCarthy addresses the referees to a point. The Cardinal game is over and thatls a different topic, however he does a good job of talking about protecting Rodgers. As most Packers fans know, last year Rodgers took a beating and there were a decent amount of late hits that should have been called. I think between this and Rodgers increasing status, he will definitely get more calls next year.

[pbmax]

Not sure if anyone posted this, but this is a good article.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/29/mccarthy-umpire-in-backfield-would-have-seen-cardinals-penalty/

McCarthy addresses the referees to a point. The Cardinal game is over and thatls a different topic, however he does a good job of talking about protecting Rodgers. As most Packers fans know, last year Rodgers took a beating and there were a decent amount of late hits that should have been called. I think between this and Rodgers increasing status, he will definitely get more calls next year.
Maybe. But that umpire has a different scope of responsibility than the Head Ref. The umpire is watching the line and not the QB. He could call something, but its not his first priority.


Umpire—Primary responsibility to rule on players? equipment, as well as their conduct and actions on scrimmage line. Lines up approximately four to five yards downfield, varying position from in front of weakside tackle to strongside guard. Looks for possible false start by offensive linemen. Observes legality of contact by both offensive linemen while blocking and by defensive players while they attempt to ward off blockers. Is prepared to call rule infractions if they occur on offense or defense. Moves forward to line of scrimmage when pass play develops in order to insure that interior linemen do not move illegally downfield. If offensive linemen indicate screen pass is to be attempted, Umpire shifts his attention toward screen side, picks up potential receiver in order to insure that he will legally be permitted to run his pattern and continues to rule on action of blockers. Umpire is to assist in ruling on incomplete or trapped passes when ball is thrown overhead or short. On punt plays, Umpire positions himself opposite Referee in offensive backfield—5 yards from kicker and one yard behind.

[packrulz]

TT is looking at a CB: http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2010/3/30/1396477/prospect-watch-south-florida-cb?ref=CBS

[Fritz]

Thanks Pack for the info.

Jerome Murphy. Hmm. He's got the size, it would seem. I wonder how fast he is and how well he can turn.

[packrulz]

Wednesday, March 31, 2010

Davis' Workout Probably Solidifies Status In Top 15
All the reports that Rutgers left tackle Anthony Davis is in a freefall in the first round of this year's draft that perhaps could make him available when the Packers pick at No. 23 overall appear to have jumped the gun.

Davis became one of the top two or three left-tackle prospects when he declared for the draft as a junior eligible. But as scouts looked deeper into his history, some questioned his commitment to the game and maturity.

When Davis didn't participate in Rutgers' Pro Day on March 10, some scouts apparently were miffed, though Davis said he was ill and had a hamstring injury, and his agent said he'd notified teams. Davis also refused to be measured or weighed when he eventually showed up at the workout to let teams know he wasn't just skipping the session, which didn't win him any points.

All those factors combined had some draftniks speculating that Davis could go from a possible top-10 pick to the bottom part of the first round. In their most recent mock drafts, ESPN's Mel Kiper had him going No. 18 overall , and Todd McShay had him going to the Packers at No. 23.

Looks like those predictions are unlikely now, though. On Wednesday he held a personal workout for 11 teams that reportedly went well. He measured in at 6-feet-5 and 325 pounds and looked good in all drills, according to NationalFootballPost.com. It's looking like he's a likely top-15 pick after all.

-- Pete Dougherty, pdougher@greenbaypressgazette.com

[Bretsky]

Giants Sign Deon Grant; decent signing.
They are worried Philips degenerative knee might end his career
Grant provides stability for a talented defense looking to come back after a disappointing year

[Fritz]

With Aaron Rouse patrolling the back end, the Giants are looking at a big comeback year!

Man, what happened to that guy? He looked awfully good at times his rookie year. Then he pooped the bed.

[Patler]

With Aaron Rouse patrolling the back end, the Giants are looking at a big comeback year!

Man, what happened to that guy? He looked awfully good at times his rookie year. Then he pooped the bed.

The Giants released Rouse in early March. His career continues to fade. He started about half the season for the Giants, and they thought so little of him that they didn't even want to bring him back to training camp in the fall.

[Fritz]

This is what scares me about Taylor Mays. The two players seem similar in skills and potential. And drawbacks.

[packers11]

Cowboys beat writer Todd Archer reports that the team is set to release FS Ken Hamlin.


:shock:

[Fritz]

He's the guy many rats wanted TT to sign a couple years ago. Was he better than Bigby?

[packers11]

He's the guy many rats wanted TT to sign a couple years ago. Was he better than Bigby?

I wonder if he can play SS... I doubt T.T. will sign him, some team will pay him big money to play FS...

I know he had an off year last year ( I watch a lot of cowboys games ) , but the year before he was a playmaker and was all over the field.

[Bretsky]

He's the guy many rats wanted TT to sign a couple years ago. Was he better than Bigby?


yes

[Bretsky]

This is what scares me about Taylor Mays. The two players seem similar in skills and potential. And drawbacks.


Mays is WAY more talented than Rouse.
As far as concerns about the players, that may be the same. I remain luke warm for Mays.

I can't figure out which player to curse this year

[The Leaper]

Mays is WAY more talented than Rouse.

Athletically, yeah. Between the ears? Probably about the same.

[Fritz]

Wouldn't it be interesting to be able to interview some of these guys?

Bretsky, I'll take your word on Mays and Hamlin both. I just don't know that much about either.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Im worried about Mays. He's such an athletic talent, and seems like he has a good head on his shoulders. But can he really be intelligent enough to play safety at the NFL level?

Mays is the ultimate late first round gamble. He's either boom or bust. All we can do is trust in Ted to make the right bet.

[Bretsky]

I think Mays is incredible as an athlete
He's intelligent enough to play safety

What's concerning is what we saw with Rouse. He's lights out straight forward and backward. But he doesn't seem to be nearly as effecitive shifting/moving side to side...which you need to cover guys.

If there was a comparison I can think of, he kind of reminds me of Thomas Davis....but more talented. Davis was a safety out of Georgia and Carolina didn't really know for sure where to play him at. He ended up being a pretty good LB.

I'm in the I trust TT mojo on Mays. I would not be elated but not unhappy with the pick either. We'd have to trust our defensive coaches to utilize him and develop him but the upside is pretty high.

If he was a project on the OL I would not want him. I trust our defensive coaches ability to develop talent a lot more than I do the offensive coaches...with the exception of QB. We have IMO one of the best QB coaches in the NFL and then MM is stellar there as well.

[pbmax]

Everyone probably is aware of this link, but since I just found it:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/03/11/pro.days.draft.news.tracker/index.html

Basically, covers all the pro day sites, participants and results. Not sure on sources, so buyer/reader beware.

[pbmax]

A report that Mike Tomlin does not like Mays:


Forget the safety from Southern California, Taylor Mays. Mike Tomlin does not like him, not high in the draft anyway. He put up good numbers at the combine, but not good performances during last season. Remember what Deion Sanders said about Mays? He's right on as far as the Steelers are concerned. Here is a safety Tomlin does like: Kam Chancellor of Virginia Tech, a big man at 6-3, 231. He's not a first-rounder, but then the Steelers no longer have an interest in drafting a safety on the first round.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10094/1047802-66.stm?cmpid=steelers.xml#ixzz0kFQ3wcb7


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10094/1047802-66.stm?cmpid=steelers.xml

[Brandon494]

Kam Chancellor is the exact same player as Mays expect he doesn't run a 4.3 40 time. I watch every single VT game and go to about 3-4 games a year and Chancellor is very similiar to Aaron Rouse.

[ThunderDan]

Bulger relased by the Rams. Another 6 year $60+ million contract wacked by the owners. The players have to be getting a little worried as their overall salary pool is shrinking at an alarming rate.

[wist43]

This is what scares me about Taylor Mays. The two players seem similar in skills and potential. And drawbacks.

It's tough to tell what kind of mental make up a guy has... sometimes it's obvious if the guy is an overt head case - but, sometimes a guy can have all the physical ability in the world, but simply not have the drive or mental wherewithal to accel and achieve.

You have to look these kids in the eye and sit down and talk to them for a while... and even then they can con ya.

Then again, if you're determined to see what you want to see, you're going to find reasons to like the guy and draft him anyway.

[packers11]

Updating a previous item, NFL.com's Jason LaCanfora reports league sources believe the Titans would be interested in bringing back Albert Haynesworth "at the right price."

The key to any Haynesworth deal is money. The Skins just paid him a $21M bonus, and they'll want any trade partner to kick back a good portion of that loot. Per LaCanfora, Haynesworth has a "strained relationship" with many teammates, and Mike Shanahan wants to deal him before the draft to improve the culture at Redskins Park. The Skins are also "strongly interested" in an Adam Carriker/Haynesworth swap with St. Louis. The Washington Post adds the Lions, Bucs, and Jags as possible destinations. Apr. 6 - 4:41 pm et

Source: NFL.com

can you say FREE AGENT BUST?!
:shock:

[red]

Updating a previous item, NFL.com's Jason LaCanfora reports league sources believe the Titans would be interested in bringing back Albert Haynesworth "at the right price."

The key to any Haynesworth deal is money. The Skins just paid him a $21M bonus, and they'll want any trade partner to kick back a good portion of that loot. Per LaCanfora, Haynesworth has a "strained relationship" with many teammates, and Mike Shanahan wants to deal him before the draft to improve the culture at Redskins Park. The Skins are also "strongly interested" in an Adam Carriker/Haynesworth swap with St. Louis. The Washington Post adds the Lions, Bucs, and Jags as possible destinations. Apr. 6 - 4:41 pm et

Source: NFL.com

can you say FREE AGENT BUST?!
:shock:

sounds like the skins are desperate to dump the slug

[OS PA]

Updating a previous item, NFL.com's Jason LaCanfora reports league sources believe the Titans would be interested in bringing back Albert Haynesworth "at the right price."

The key to any Haynesworth deal is money. The Skins just paid him a $21M bonus, and they'll want any trade partner to kick back a good portion of that loot. Per LaCanfora, Haynesworth has a "strained relationship" with many teammates, and Mike Shanahan wants to deal him before the draft to improve the culture at Redskins Park. The Skins are also "strongly interested" in an Adam Carriker/Haynesworth swap with St. Louis. The Washington Post adds the Lions, Bucs, and Jags as possible destinations. Apr. 6 - 4:41 pm et

Source: NFL.com

can you say FREE AGENT BUST?!
:shock:

sounds like the skins are desperate to dump the slug

Lets just hope the slug doesn't get dumped to the Lions. They'd have 2/4ths of the line that created Haynesworth's contract two years ago and the same coach. I could definitely see them pulling the trigger on this trade and then drafting Okung with the 2nd pick. For any of you know-it-alls, can a team trade money as compensation without trading a player or a draft pick? The new Lion's GM values his draft picks and the Ford's have pretty deep pockets. It appears that the Skins are looking to get back some of the $21 million they paid fat Albert last week.

I personally think they're building a decent team over there to our East. Stafford, Megatron, and Pettigrew could be a scary trio if they can keep Stafford upright and find a few DBs in the draft.

[pbmax]

Draft Value By Position and Selection (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=6513) from Pro Football References Blog

When you do a cost benefit analysis of drafting any player, you have to consider what will be available to you when you pick next if you are looking to fill needs. And while successful teams do not draft on need alone, they would be ill served to ignore it entirely.

Here is a chart of the median draft selection sorted by position. This is the pick where the player value is equal (considering their pro careers only) for all players at that position before and after the pick. This could be considered the tipping point, where finding the starting gem will be harder to do. It also must reflect, to some degree, the importance that teams place on the positions.

I am stunned that ILB are this high and DTs are so low. A little surprised by WRs being the fifth highest.


pos pick
QB 24
ILB 40
CB 45
T 50
WR 54
RB 55
DE 57
TE 69
OLB 71
DT 77
S 84
G 108
C 173

[ThunderDan]

PB-

Those numbers don't seem right. You figure there are 7 rounds at 32 players each plus compensatory picks. That makes it around 240 picks per year. If there are 240 picks the average player should go 120th. I think your numbers would average out to a lot lower considering only one position has a higher average than 120. Of course if teams draft 3 C for every other position it might average out correctly.

[ThunderDan]

I guess I missed the average value part.

[Bretsky]

Graham makes two visits
The News
Brandon Graham (Michigan) visited the Patriots and Falcons, according to Scout.com.
Our View
The defensive end prospect helped raise his draft stock with a strong showing at the Senior Bowl. He is projected to go in the first-round, and both Atlanta and New England could use help at the position.


I've kind of been thinking all along the genius from NE will nab Graham ahead of us

[Brandon494]

Graham makes two visits
The News
Brandon Graham (Michigan) visited the Patriots and Falcons, according to Scout.com.
Our View
The defensive end prospect helped raise his draft stock with a strong showing at the Senior Bowl. He is projected to go in the first-round, and both Atlanta and New England could use help at the position.


I've kind of been thinking all along the genius from NE will nab Graham ahead of us

I hope so, I question his ability to play LB in the 3-4. I believe the Falcons will end up taking him though.

[Joemailman]

Graham makes two visits
The News
Brandon Graham (Michigan) visited the Patriots and Falcons, according to Scout.com.
Our View
The defensive end prospect helped raise his draft stock with a strong showing at the Senior Bowl. He is projected to go in the first-round, and both Atlanta and New England could use help at the position.


I've kind of been thinking all along the genius from NE will nab Graham ahead of us

New England took him in the Packerrats 2010 Mock Draft, so you know it will happen.

[pbmax]

Graham makes two visits
The News
Brandon Graham (Michigan) visited the Patriots and Falcons, according to Scout.com.
Our View
The defensive end prospect helped raise his draft stock with a strong showing at the Senior Bowl. He is projected to go in the first-round, and both Atlanta and New England could use help at the position.


I've kind of been thinking all along the genius from NE will nab Graham ahead of us

New England took him in the Packerrats 2010 Mock Draft, so you know it will happen.
Exaclty, however, at his size, he will be playing linebacker in a 3-4. He might inhabit the hybrid position like McGinest did, but he will not strictly be a DE like Seymour.

[Fritz]

I too like Graham but wonder if he can cover a tight end or running back for even a short time. I just don't know.

[red]

I too like Graham but wonder if he can cover a tight end or running back for even a short time. I just don't know.

thats the question for almost every possible 3-4 OLB. most of them were never asked to do it in college

[OS PA]

Jets just traded a fifth round pick to the Steelers for Santonio Holmes.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/11/steelers-ship-santonio-to-the-jets/

If Dez Bryant falls to the Steelers in the first round, do they pick him? That might mean that Mike Iuaputi falls to the Packers at 23, do we pick him then?

[Brandon494]

Jets just traded a fifth round pick to the Steelers for Santonio Holmes.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/11/steelers-ship-santonio-to-the-jets/

If Dez Bryant falls to the Steelers in the first round, do they pick him? That might mean that Mike Iuaputi falls to the Packers at 23, do we pick him then?

A 5th round pick? I can't believe that just made that deal. Good deal for the Jets.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Jets just traded a fifth round pick to the Steelers for Santonio Holmes.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/11/steelers-ship-santonio-to-the-jets/

If Dez Bryant falls to the Steelers in the first round, do they pick him? That might mean that Mike Iuaputi falls to the Packers at 23, do we pick him then?

A 5th round pick? I can't believe that just made that deal. Good deal for the Jets.

Really goes to show you the price of baggage.

[pbmax]

Jets just traded a fifth round pick to the Steelers for Santonio Holmes.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/11/steelers-ship-santonio-to-the-jets/

If Dez Bryant falls to the Steelers in the first round, do they pick him? That might mean that Mike Iuaputi falls to the Packers at 23, do we pick him then?

A 5th round pick? I can't believe that just made that deal. Good deal for the Jets.

Really goes to show you the price of baggage.
That, plus a four game suspension (so his employer is getting him for twelve games) and one year left on his deal. There isn't much leverage for the Steelers except to wait for a better offer.

[Tarlam!]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8177fe7e&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Dolphins trying to trade WR Ginn, possibly during next week's draft

By Jason La Canfora | NFL.com

The Miami Dolphins have been pursuing options to trade wide receiver Ted Ginn, league sources said Tuesday.

Ginn, a first-round draft pick by the Dolphins in 2007, has excelled on special teams, but he hasn't regularly contributed as a receiver. He had 38 receptions for 454 yards and one touchdown last season.

Ginn's lack of productivity and relatively heavy rookie contract have turned off some teams, and two league executives said they don't anticipate the Dolphins receiving considerable value for the three-year pro in a trade.

Still, Ginn could be a part of a package on the first night of the draft next Thursday, as the Dolphins might trade up from the 12th spot. Clemson running back C.J. Spiller is among the players for whom they could make a move.

The Dolphins are looking for playmakers on the outside and still could make a trade for Denver Broncos wide receiver Brandon Marshall, a restricted free agent who received a first-round tender.

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This is quite shocking to me. Ginn was 9th overall, which I think we all agree was a massive reach. But I think the Big Tuna is off his rocker with this move.

[Fritz]

Why would any team ahead of the Dolphins trade back in exchange for the underproductive Mr. Tedd Ginn?

[Joemailman]

ESPN reporting Brandon Marshall will be sent to Miami for 2010 and 2011 2nd round picks. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

[Fritz]

My gosh, that seems a high price to pay for a malcontent.

Why are receivers some of the biggest prima donnas?

[Tarlam!]

dd Ginn to Dolphins on trade block (with video)
Coach Tony Sparano has often said the Dolphins are happy with their wide receivers. Well, I guess one would have to define happiness if, as I suspect, the report Ted Ginn is on the trade block is correct.

NFL.com's Jason LaCanfora tweeted minutes ago that Ginn is being shopped by the Dolphins.

My question is who would buy and for how much?

Ginn is coming off a year in which he regressed in 2009. He caught 38 passes for 454 yards and one touchdown. He also dropped eight passes, which was among the NFL leaders in that category.

In 2008 Ginn caught 56 passes for 790 yards and two touchdowns. Not stellar, but there were still hopes Ginn could continue to improve. Those hopes took a significant hit last year.

At one point, Ginn lost his starting job before regaining it late in the season.

So where does this leave us?

One might assume the Baltimore Ravens might be interested as Cam Cameron is their offensive coordinator. Cameron was the one who drafted Ginn's family in 2007. General manager Randy Mueller drafted Ginn.

But let's face it, in a league where Brandon Marshall is available for less than a first-round pick and Anquan Boldin was traded for a third and fourth-round pick, Ginn's value cannot be very high.

The Dolphins might be lucky to get a low fourth rounder for Ted Ginn Jr. And that might be based on his promise as a good return man.

[Update: One NFL personnel man has returned an email on the topic and he confirms Ginn is on the market. He also said Ginn would have different value for different teams, with most showing no interest. He said someone might, might give up a fifth-round pick because Ginn's only 26 years old and has elite speed that is "tempting."]

In recent days it has come to light that Miami is willing to consider trading Ronnie Brown, Tyler Thigpen and now Ginn.

We'll see.



Read more: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2010/04/add-ginn-to-list-of-players-on-trade-block.html#ixzz0l52LNFYP

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Since we have serious issues in the return game, I'd trade our 5th in a heartbeat to get Ginn.

[steve823]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8178623b&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Supposedly the LT from the Bucs, Donald Penn wants a new deal or trade. If things get out of control maybe they'll trade him who knows.

Also, I think Ginn would be a great pickup for us. For a 5th round pick and maybe a prospect player to the Dolphins I think it could be done. It would just be another less need (kick returner) we would have to address in the draft.

[pbmax]

Posthumous profile of the late Joel Buchsbaum. Or, what I imagine Lurker to be living like right now :lol:

http://apse.dallasnews.com/contest/2003/writing/over250/over250.features.second.html

[Tarlam!]

Posthumous profile of the late Joel Buchsbaum.

Great read, PB. Thanks for posting. Sounds like an amazing guy.

[Tarlam!]

Goodell is doing a live chat, starting at 2pm EST.

Here's my question to him...

Thanks a million for the chat, Mr. Goodell! Kudos!! Isn't the NFL discriminating against "cold weather fanchises" by mandating only stadium's with a roof or an average February temperature of 50°F have an opportunity to host the "Big Dance".? PS Europe loves the NFL!!!

I hope he takes it!!

[Tarlam!]

Timothy, FWB,Florida 2:12 PM ET
Hello Mr. Goodell. How are you today? Now to my real question;who will the New Orleans Saints play in the regular season opener?

Commissioner Roger Goodell, NFL.com
Tim, I'm doing well. I know I will get in trouble from our scheduling makers for releasing this in advance, but the Saints will be hosting the Minnesota Vikings for our Kickoff game. It should be a great celebration in a great city.

You heard it here first

[swede]

The Korey Stringer Institute for the Prevention of Heat-Related Illnesses


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FBN_STRINGER_INSTITUTE?SITE=WIMIL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

First point: This is good.

Second Point: It needs to be honest. If there is a rising problem then consider that fat-ass football players can't load up on diet pills to mask steroid use in 100 degree heat and then blame the makers of the helmets.

[steve823]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/21/lito-shuffles-to-minnesota/

Lito Sheppard to the Vikings. Seeing how bad he played on the Jets last year, this move might benefit the Pack more than the queens. :D

[MJZiggy]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/21/lito-shuffles-to-minnesota/

Lito Sheppard to the Vikings. Seeing how bad he played on the Jets last year, this move might benefit the Pack more than the queens. :D

Wonder if Sheppard was "demanded?"

[packrulz]

NFL NETWORK
Goodell: Rookie salary structure is ‘wasting money’
Posted: April 25th, 2010 | NFL.com Staff | Tags: 2010 NFL Draft
With the 75th annual draft in the books, there are going to be a lot of very wealthy rookies out there, some of whom will garner considerably larger contracts than their veteran teammates.

The question is, will this be the last season that we see rookies command such large salaries? The new CBA, whenever it is established, is likely to have a structure to regulate rookie salaries, which up to now have continued to grow without any sort of ceiling.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell spoke about this issue Saturday and had some pretty strong words on the matter.

“I love Sam Bradford, and I hope he’s great, but he probably made somewhere between $40 and $45 million the night before last,” said Goodell, speaking to a group of select fans who won a random lottery to ask the commissioner questions. “He has not even hit the field yet and that’s a guaranteed contract. So if Sam Bradford can’t play, what good does that do any other NFL player? As much as I like these young rookies, and I do think they’re terrific, it’s crazy to give someone who hasn’t proven themselves on the NFL field $45 million.

“I think over these three days, we will give $600 million in guaranteed money to these rookies that you’re hearing their names. $600 million. And if let’s just say half of them don’t make it and the money is equivalent to this, that’s $300 million out the door. It doesn’t go to veterans, it doesn’t go to owners. It goes to somebody who couldn’t play the game. That’s wasting money.”

Posted in: NFL Network |

[packers11]

rotoworld.com


JaMarcus Russell has beefed up to 300 pounds, a league source tells Aaron Wilson of the National Football Post.

Do we need more depth at DE or LT? I think we found some potential here... :wink:

[jmbarnes101]

rotoworld.com


JaMarcus Russell has beefed up to 300 pounds, a league source tells Aaron Wilson of the National Football Post.

Do we need more depth at DE or LT? I think we found some potential here... :wink:

Is this guy an idiot? They're bringing in QB's left and right and he's eating himself out of a job. WOW!!!

[Brandon494]

rotoworld.com


JaMarcus Russell has beefed up to 300 pounds, a league source tells Aaron Wilson of the National Football Post.

Do we need more depth at DE or LT? I think we found some potential here... :wink:

Is this guy an idiot? They're bringing in QB's left and right and he's eating himself out of a job. WOW!!!

He already got his money, he doesnt care.

Thats the reason I hate how the NFL doesn't have a rookie salary cap like the NBA.

Around 600 million dollars will be spent on a rookie class, about half of that amount is wasted on players like Russell.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

rotoworld.com


JaMarcus Russell has beefed up to 300 pounds, a league source tells Aaron Wilson of the National Football Post.

Do we need more depth at DE or LT? I think we found some potential here... :wink:

Is this guy an idiot? They're bringing in QB's left and right and he's eating himself out of a job. WOW!!!

He already got his money, he doesnt care.

Thats the reason I hate how the NFL doesn't have a rookie salary cap like the NBA.

Around 600 million dollars will be spent on a rookie class, about half of that amount is wasted on players like Russell.

I was watching the SVP show, or something similar, maybe Mike & Mike. Anyway, over roughly the same amount of games Russell is having a better career than Ryan Leaf. I thought it was pretty funny. Also, I never knew Leaf used to lie about injuries so he could go play golf.

[Brandon494]

I heard the same show on sports radio today.

Its hard to say who is a bigger bust.

[pbmax]

The Jets are winning the offseason (their Vegas odds for the Super Bowl have been moved), guaranteeing they will be out by the first round of the playoffs. This will make me happy to witness.

[packers11]

opps wrong thread

[Fritz]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/21/lito-shuffles-to-minnesota/

Lito Sheppard to the Vikings. Seeing how bad he played on the Jets last year, this move might benefit the Pack more than the queens. :D

Wonder if Sheppard was "demanded?"

At least if there's another party on the lakes in Minny we can say Lito missed the boat that day.

Well, Bozz Scaggs can say it, anyway.

[pbmax]

Around 600 million dollars will be spent on a rookie class, about half of that amount is wasted on players like Russell.
Did you get that number from somewhere? Because its seems like an exaggeration. Not to mention Goodell is wrong and not even the top picks get guaranteed contracts. He is fibbing. Russell was let go with years and money remaining. Not to mention the incentive he missed. Everyone remembers the trumped up agent figures and never subtracts what he will never see.

By the way, NBA contracts are fully guaranteed. If the Commish is willing to give in on that, the players will happily cave on the rookie wage scale.

Thirdly, there is a constraint on rookie deals. In fact, there are two. One is the amount of alternate bonus money you are willing to commit. Because the rookie salary cap will not allow large signing bonuses or large base salaries. Second, like the Jacksonville Jaguars and the 49ers last year, there is self control. No one forces teams to keep the first round windfall from creeping down the draft order.

[Joemailman]

Redskins acquire Jamall Brown from Saints. If Trent Williams is as good as they expect, the Redskins OL should be much improved.

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Trenches/entry/view/69311/redskins-reportedly-acquire-jammal-brown-from-saints