10 yd splits

[Fred's Slacks]

It looks as if one reason TT had CMIII rated so high in last year draft is because he had a blazing 10 yd split of 1.49 at the combine. It seems that this measurement is very important when determining suddenness and explosion. With that this article goes over the 10 yd splits for some of the best pass rushers in this years draft:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Behind-the-times-the-10yard-split.html

No one is overly impressive but Kindle sticks out like a sore thumb. I was pretty high on the guy until I saw this.

Which brings me to a question. Does anyone know a place where they post official comprehensive results of the combine? A lot of places have bits and pieces but none that I've seen have everything.

[bigcoz75]

Todays 10 yd article to go along with that one.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Prospects-Tenyard-split-studs-and-duds.html

Last year I remember seeing a site with 10yd splits for all the players listed but I have failed to find it again this year. Thing is I'm not sure theres a real "official" 10 yd time. Instead I think it all comes from scouts and timing recorded 40s.

[Brandon494]

Nice to see my boy Jason Worilds of VT being top on the list. He pretty much played with one arm all of last season and still was one of the top pass rushers in the ACC. He is not familiar with standing up at LB since he played DE in college but think he could make the switch. He also ran high 4.4 and low 4.5 in the 40 times. Projected as a 3rd to 4th round draft pick so if we decide draft at another position with our 1st round pick I sure wouldnt mind drafting him, this guy is going to be a player.

[Brandon494]

haha right after I posted this I found this on scout.com

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/79/790181.jpg By Bill Huber -
Where did the Packers send their scouts on Thursday and who did they see? How about a possible first-round pick at cornerback, a second-round pick at outside linebacker and perhaps their future left tackle. Learn more in this exclusive.

http://gnb.scout.com/a.z?s=61&p=2&c=955213&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fgnb.scout.com%2f2%2f9552 13.html

I don't have a membership so I couldn't read which players they were talking about but that is Worilds picture on the front page.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Worilds is a player. I don't think he could make it out of the 3rd round. Being from NE Tennessee I get the "pleasure" of watching my fair share of VTech games. I see another player is also on the list of fastest 10 yrd splits that I'd love to see the Packers grab, CB Brandon Ghee from Wake.

[pbmax]

They used to show the splits at 10 and 20 yards at nfl.com. But they are not there for this year.

[The Leaper]

Hawk also had impressive numbers in this category...so it would certainly appear this is a trend that TT looks for in his LBs.

[Brandon494]

Hawk also had impressive numbers in this category...so it would certainly appear this is a trend that TT looks for in his LBs.

You sure about that? I find that kinda hard to believe

[RashanGary]

nfldraftsscout.com got bought by cbs sports. I don't know the current address, but if you type in www.nfldraftscout.com, it will bring you there.

Anyway, you click on "prospect rankings", then you can browse by position or order. They give 10 yard splits, three cone, short shuttle, etc. . .

Great site. Best draft site anywhere if you ask me, and it's free!!

[RashanGary]

Top OLB's. I'll weed out short, light guys. Tall light guys like Brad Jones can always bulk up. Short light guys, I don't know if they translate well to our system so I'll weed them out.

Dekoda Watson 1.53
Kavell Conner 1.55
Dexter Davis 1.55
Jason Worlids 1.56
Arthur Moats 1.58
Eric Norwood 1.58
Ricky Sapp 1.60
Cameron Sheffield 1.60
AJ Edds 1.60
Adrian Tracy 1.60
Several other 1.60's
Brandon Graham 1.61, but much heavier than the others so I assume he'd bring more whollup when he gets there.

[RashanGary]

DE's (possible Converts)

Lindsey Witten 1.59
Rahim Alem 1.60
Derrick Morgan 1.60
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 1.61
Brandon Lang 1.62
Jerry Hughs 1.63
Everson Griffen 1.63
Jason Pierre Paul 1.65

[RashanGary]

10 yard split shows explosion out of the gate for pass rushing.
3 cone shows agility in the open space

Here are some guys with impressive numbers in both: Look a little further into these guys. Watch their youtube clips. See if there are any that look tenacious and have histories of being hard workers, loving football and having the respect of teammates, opposing players and coaches. Chacnes are, if they were great college players, work hard and have stats like this, they'll be solid pros. Tough to project guys who have never played in coverage, so that part is up in the air a little. Matthews was a rare prospect that did it all in college and had the numbers.


Clay Matthews 1.49 10 yd, 6.90 3-cone (guy is a freak, nobody like him this year that I see)
Brad Jones 1.59 10 yd, 6.75 3-cone (tops in this class, guy is a freak)
Jason Worlids 1.56 10 yd, 6.95 3-cone Most impressive this year
Nate Triplett 1.60 10 yd, 7.02 3-cone
Dexter Davis 1.55 10 yd, 7.08 3-cone
Adrian Tracy 1.60 10 yd, 7.08 3-cone
Eric Norwood 1.58 10 yd, 7.08 3-cone
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 1.61 10 yd, 6.91 3-cone
Jerry Hughes 1.63 10 yd, 6.99 3-cone
Derrick Morgan 1.60 10 yd, 7.12 3-cone

[RashanGary]

Adrian Tracy looked decent at LB in the texas vs nation game.
Eric Norwood played LB at EC. He's got the pass rush and serviceable coverage


Jason Worlids is a freak that had 32 freaking QB hurries last year
Physically, and production wise, Hughes as it. Can he pick up the LB position mentally? don't know enough about him, but he's interesting.



Those four stand out a bit to me. The others, I haven't gotten any real evidence that they can handle coverage, but I don't have all the information Ted has. Any of these 10 yd/3-cone guys could fit well with us (based on physical attributes) depending on what our guys know about them.

[CaptainKickass]

Clay Matthews 1.49 10 yd, 6.90 3-cone (guy is a freak, nobody like him this year that I see)
Brad Jones 1.59 10 yd, 6.75 3-cone (tops in this class, guy is a freak)
Jason Worlids 1.56 10 yd, 6.95 3-cone Most impressive this year
Nate Triplett 1.60 10 yd, 7.02 3-cone
Dexter Davis 1.55 10 yd, 7.08 3-cone
Adrian Tracy 1.60 10 yd, 7.08 3-cone
Eric Norwood 1.58 10 yd, 7.08 3-cone
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 1.61 10 yd, 6.91 3-cone
Jerry Hughes 1.63 10 yd, 6.99 3-cone
Derrick Morgan 1.60 10 yd, 7.12 3-cone

Is that our current "Brad Jones" OLB opposite CMIII?? Or is this another guy in the upcoming draft with the same name?

[Lurker64]

Clay Matthews 1.49 10 yd, 6.90 3-cone (guy is a freak, nobody like him this year that I see)
Brad Jones 1.59 10 yd, 6.75 3-cone (tops in this class, guy is a freak)
Jason Worlids 1.56 10 yd, 6.95 3-cone Most impressive this year
Nate Triplett 1.60 10 yd, 7.02 3-cone
Dexter Davis 1.55 10 yd, 7.08 3-cone
Adrian Tracy 1.60 10 yd, 7.08 3-cone
Eric Norwood 1.58 10 yd, 7.08 3-cone
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 1.61 10 yd, 6.91 3-cone
Jerry Hughes 1.63 10 yd, 6.99 3-cone
Derrick Morgan 1.60 10 yd, 7.12 3-cone

Is that our current "Brad Jones" OLB opposite CMIII?? Or is this another guy in the upcoming draft with the same name?

I believe that's our Brad, but there is a Brad Jones in this draft as well (this one's a CB).

[Bretsky]

Adrian Tracy looked decent at LB in the texas vs nation game.
Eric Norwood played LB at EC. He's got the pass rush and serviceable coverage


Jason Worlids is a freak that had 32 freaking QB hurries last year
Physically, and production wise, Hughes as it. Can he pick up the LB position mentally? don't know enough about him, but he's interesting.



Those four stand out a bit to me. The others, I haven't gotten any real evidence that they can handle coverage, but I don't have all the information Ted has. Any of these 10 yd/3-cone guys could fit well with us (based on physical attributes) depending on what our guys know about them.


Hughes
Great Attitude
Love the game of football
Great Motor

I'd be happy with him at 23 but I think he'll go a bit later in first/early second.

[RashanGary]

That's our Brad Jones and CMIII. I put them in there, just for comparisons sake. I'm doing a Waldo impression here, but I think he's on to something looking at these trends. It looks like the guys we draft tend to show these characteristics.

[Fred's Slacks]

Seeing these numbers makes me think there is little chance we'd pick an OLB with the first pick. It doesn't appear that any of them are a better athlete than Jones. That doesn't mean they aren't better players right now but I see little chance that we'd use our first pick on a guy who might have a lower ceiling than the guy we already have.

[red]

i'm with fred

that article makes it sound like none of those guys are worth a 1st round pick

[Lurker64]

i'm with fred

that article makes it sound like none of those guys are worth a 1st round pick

We do need to pick up a couple at some point. Clearly, Thompson hit a home run with Matthews but other than him, the cupboard is pretty bare at OLB. We have Brad Jones; a seventh round draft pick who did yeoman's service as a rookie; we have Brady Poppinga who is playing out of position and never was that good anyway; and we have undrafted Cyril Obiozor, who largely appeared to stay with the team because Kevin Greene made a project of him.

I would be surprised if we don't pick an OLB in the first three rounds, and at least two in this draft.

Edit: Oh, and we also have Jeremy Thompson... who, despite a neck injury, is unstoppable in shorts, and mediocre in pads. If the NFL ever goes to touch football... watch out!

[Fred's Slacks]

i'm with fred

that article makes it sound like none of those guys are worth a 1st round pick

We do need to pick up a couple at some point. Clearly, Thompson hit a home run with Matthews but other than him, the cupboard is pretty bare at OLB. We have Brad Jones; a seventh round draft pick who did yeoman's service as a rookie; we have Brady Poppinga who is playing out of position and never was that good anyway; and we have undrafted Cyril Obiozor, who largely appeared to stay with the team because Kevin Greene made a project of him.

I would be surprised if we don't pick an OLB in the first three rounds, and at least two in this draft.

Oh yeah, we definately take one at some point, maybe even early. Just doesn't look like its worth using our first on IMO. I still like Graham, and I'd like Hughes with an early second but none of them seem to provide a big enough upgrade to use our first on. I'd rather get a nice upgrade to another position and hopefully fill the OLB depth with a later pick (like Misi, Watson or Worlids).

[The Leaper]

Hawk also had impressive numbers in this category...so it would certainly appear this is a trend that TT looks for in his LBs.

You sure about that? I find that kinda hard to believe

Hawk - his 3 cone really stands out...that is an outstanding 3 cone time.

1.56 10 yd
2.72 20 yd
6.82 3 cone

Sure, Hawk hasn't been a big play guy...but he's a very athletic LB.