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Bretsky
04-03-2010, 07:37 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/372699-green-bay-packers-draft-needs-running-backkick-returner

My final article on Packers draft needs shifts back to the offensive side of the ball with a look at some of the running backs, as well as kick returners who will be available in the upcoming draft.
The Packers will almost certainly draft a running back this year, but in what round and to fill what role is the question.
Will they take a smaller speedy back who would be a change of pace behind Ryan Grant, or will they take someone they think will be the eventual successor to Grant?
An undrafted free agent acquired from a trade with the New York Giants, Ryan Grant has been the Packers featured back since mid-season 2007. Grant has a nice combination of size, speed and vision.
The biggest knock on Grant is that he does not have great hands and he is fairly ineffective catching the ball out of the backfield.
Grant is coming off another solid year compiling over 1,400 total yards and 11 touchdowns. Unfortunately, Grant's statistics could be a road block from the Packers keeping him beyond 2010.
If Grant puts up similar numbers next year he will be due about $9 million in base salary and roster bonuses in 2011, which may cause the Packers to release him if a restructuring of his contract cannot be worked out.
Brandon Jackson was a second-round pick in 2007, but does not appear to be the long-term answer after Grant. Jackson has good hands and is adept at picking up blitzes which makes him an ideal third-down back.
Ahman Green was brought back last season after Deshawn Wynn was placed on injured reserve.
Green became the Packers all-time leading rusher, but at the age of 33 and having a pretty substantial injury history, he probably does not have too much left in the tank.


Anyone who watched the Packers last year would probably agree they need to upgrade their kickoff and punt return game. This upgrade could come from a running back, wide receiver or a cornerback.

Will Blackmon has shown some promise in the return game, but in his four-year career, he has missed more games with injury than he has actually played.

Jordy Nelson just does not have the explosiveness and or elusiveness to be considered a threat in the return game.

Pat Lee has kickoff return experience, but was injured returning a kick in preseason, and with his injury history the Packers will probably be hesitant to put him in that situation unless absolutely necessary.

So who may the Packers be looking at in the upcoming draft?

Round 1
Ryan Matthews (Fresno State) - A well-rounded back. Matthews' stock has risen after a strong pro day and combine showings. Might be the second back drafted.
Jahvid Best (California) - An explosive back who could also contribute in the return game. Could be a Chris Johnson-type back, but he is fairly small and has had concussion and injury issues.


Round 2
Dexter McCluster (Ole Miss) - His small size will most likely prevent him from being an every-down back, but he is explosive in the open field and also could be used as a receiver. A slower than expected 40 time at the combine may have hurt his draft stock.
Ben Tate (Auburn) - Excellent speed for someone his size. A great combine showing has him moving up some draft boards.
Jonathan Dwyer (Georgia Tech) - A slow 40 time at the combine may have dropped his draft stock a bit, but he is a powerful runner who is hard to bring down.

Round 3
Tony Gerhart (Stanford) - A power back who put up a surprisingly fast 40 time at the combine. A Heisman finalist last year.
Montario Hardesty (Tennessee) - Hardesty has good size and speed and also catches the ball as well as any running back in the draft.

Round 4
LeGarrette Blount (Oregon) - A powerful runner whose stock would be much higher if it were not for character concerns.
Deji Karim (Southern Illinois) A small-school prospect who put up impressive numbers at his pro day that would of ranked him with the top running backs at the combine.
Only 5'9" but at 210 pounds he has the strength to run between the tackles.

Later Round Return Specialists
Trindon Holiday (LSU) - Only 5'5" and 161 pounds, but he has blazing speed and
would be a threat on kick returns.
Brandon Banks (Kansas State) Even more diminutive than Holiday at 149 pounds, but he is a dangerous kick returner.
So Packer fans, who would you want in the green and gold next year?

Fritz
04-03-2010, 08:20 AM
Whoever can block and catch the ball on third down and can return kicks and punts well without fumbling.

Whichever guy that is.

ND72
04-03-2010, 08:56 AM
You forgot Mardy Gilyard from Cincy. He's a 2nd round guy. That would put 5 WR's we've draft or had high in Jennings, Driver, Nelson, and Jones. That'd be some crazy competition though.

Bretsky
04-03-2010, 09:00 AM
even scarier had we drafted DeSean Jackson over Nelson. That'd just be sick talent at WR :!:

Brando19
04-03-2010, 09:40 AM
Tony Gerhart! Dude's a scoring machine. Plus..I want a white running back to do well.

Bretsky
04-03-2010, 10:02 AM
Tony Gerhart! Dude's a scoring machine. Plus..I want a white running back to do well.


We've been the factors for successful white RB's :lol:

Who else can recall

The Otter and the Jervey Train ?

And I'm not even going back to the glory days with Barty Smith and Erik Torkelson :lol:

ND72
04-03-2010, 10:20 AM
Tony Gerhart! Dude's a scoring machine. Plus..I want a white running back to do well.


We've been the factors for successful white RB's :lol:

Who else can recall

The Otter and the Jervey Train ?

And I'm not even going back to the glory days with Barty Smith and Erik Torkelson :lol:

Friend of mine is a Bears fan, and he always says between Chicago and Green Bay we should have the most athletic white guys in the NFL just because. At the start of last season he liked to remind me that 3/4 of our LB's were white, and we were the only NFL team last year that started an entire OL that was white.

Brandon494
04-03-2010, 10:22 AM
Tony Gerhart! Dude's a scoring machine. Plus..I want a white running back to do well.


We've been the factors for successful white RB's :lol:

Who else can recall

The Otter and the Jervey Train ?

And I'm not even going back to the glory days with Barty Smith and Erik Torkelson :lol:

Friend of mine is a Bears fan, and he always says between Chicago and Green Bay we should have the most athletic white guys in the NFL just because. At the start of last season he liked to remind me that 3/4 of our LB's were white, and we were the only NFL team last year that started an entire OL that was white.

No wonder we gave up so many sacks last season, we need to get some brothers on the O-line! I kid! I kid! :lol:

ND72
04-03-2010, 10:24 AM
Tony Gerhart! Dude's a scoring machine. Plus..I want a white running back to do well.


We've been the factors for successful white RB's :lol:

Who else can recall

The Otter and the Jervey Train ?

And I'm not even going back to the glory days with Barty Smith and Erik Torkelson :lol:

Friend of mine is a Bears fan, and he always says between Chicago and Green Bay we should have the most athletic white guys in the NFL just because. At the start of last season he liked to remind me that 3/4 of our LB's were white, and we were the only NFL team last year that started an entire OL that was white.

No wonder we gave up so many sacks last season, we need to get some brothers on the O-line! I kid! I kid! :lol:

I wasn't going to disagree with you.

vince
04-03-2010, 10:44 AM
I didn't take the time to confirm it, but I read somewhere that the Packers were the whitest team in the league last year. Good ol' Teddy drafting guys in his own image. :P

Brando19
04-03-2010, 11:02 AM
Haha...you guys are cracking me up. It is true, though. The Packers are an extremely white team. When TT drafted Jordy...I find myself laughing a bit. Anyone want to bet Ted drafts Tony Gerhart? :lol: Maybe we could be the White Bay Packers?

Brandon494
04-03-2010, 11:07 AM
Haha...you guys are cracking me up. It is true, though. The Packers are an extremely white team. When TT drafted Jordy...I find myself laughing a bit. Anyone want to bet Ted drafts Tony Gerhart? :lol: Maybe we could be the White Bay Packers?

Oh its no doubt in my mind that either Gerhart, Shipley, or Decker will be wearing green and gold when the season starts. :D

Brandon494
04-03-2010, 11:09 AM
I actually hope we draft Decker, he will be a good one. Big reicever with small reciever skills and doesnt mind going over the middle.

HarveyWallbangers
04-03-2010, 11:16 AM
Isn't Gerhart's name Toby?

HarveyWallbangers
04-03-2010, 11:17 AM
Jordy Nelson just does not have the explosiveness and or elusiveness to be considered a threat in the return game.

Maybe not in the punt return game, but I like him a lot as a kick returner.

HarveyWallbangers
04-03-2010, 11:19 AM
ven scarier had we drafted DeSean Jackson over Nelson. That'd just be sick talent at WR

Quit your bitching. You can complain, but I think I like Nelson long-term more than every other WR taken in the first two rounds in that draft. The only thing keeping Nelson from putting up big numbers is Greg Jennings and Donald Driver. Most of those other teams don't have star receivers limiting the playing time of these guys. They just aren't that good yet.

Other WRs taken in the first two rounds that year

Donnie Avery
Devin Thomas
James Hardy
Eddie Royal
Jerome Simpson
Malcolm Kelly
Limas Sweed
Dexter Jackson

BallHawk
04-03-2010, 11:23 AM
I'd love to see Blount in Green Bay. I think the location and the coaches would deal with the character issues pretty effectively. The talent is, without a doubt, all there.

Brando19
04-03-2010, 11:54 AM
Haha...you guys are cracking me up. It is true, though. The Packers are an extremely white team. When TT drafted Jordy...I find myself laughing a bit. Anyone want to bet Ted drafts Tony Gerhart? :lol: Maybe we could be the White Bay Packers?

Oh its no doubt in my mind that either Gerhart, Shipley, or Decker will be wearing green and gold when the season starts. :D

:lol: Maybe all three!

Brando19
04-03-2010, 11:56 AM
Isn't Gerhart's name Toby?

Yeah, it is. My bad.

Bretsky
04-03-2010, 01:29 PM
ven scarier had we drafted DeSean Jackson over Nelson. That'd just be sick talent at WR

Quit your bitching. You can complain, but I think I like Nelson long-term more than every other WR taken in the first two rounds in that draft. The only thing keeping Nelson from putting up big numbers is Greg Jennings and Donald Driver. Most of those other teams don't have star receivers limiting the playing time of these guys. They just aren't that good yet.

Other WRs taken in the first two rounds that year

Donnie Avery
Devin Thomas
James Hardy
Eddie Royal
Jerome Simpson
Malcolm Kelly
Limas Sweed
Dexter Jackson


Didn't realize the above comment was bitching. You've seen me bitch about stuff before; way different that the even scarier remark. You getting sensitive in your old age ? :wink:

swede
04-03-2010, 01:53 PM
Can someone give me a reason that Gerhart wouldn't be a 2nd round pick?

What about his credentials, other than not being a brother, keep him from being considered?

I think he's a perfect one cut back who would fit well in our system.

6 feet, 230, and the cracker churns and burns in a straight line. He won't get you the explosive play but a defense would not want to see him in the fourth quarter running clock and converting short yardage into first downs.

He'll make people forget about Touchdown Tommy Vardell.

Bretsky
04-03-2010, 01:56 PM
well, everybody always wants to try to hit a home run in round one and two
So my two reasons would be

1. Limited upside
2. Perhaps he's just not one of the top 64 players

swede
04-03-2010, 02:02 PM
well, everybody always wants to try to hit a home run in round one and two
So my two reasons would be

1. Limited upside
2. Perhaps he's just not one of the top 64 players

I see your point. It IS a deep draft.

But Brandon Jackson seemed like more of a reach in round two than this kid.

This year every RB after the top two workhorse backs seems to bring questions about size or competing at the next level.

There's a bias at work imho, since Toby Gerhart seems like a lock in a possession-oriented offense.

red
04-03-2010, 02:35 PM
i'll add a name to the return game and the WR group

jacoby ford. i watched quite a bit of clemson this year due to my man crush on CJ Spiller. well ford is his running mate and usually the only guy on the field faster the CJ.

he's a tiny wr like McCluster. once the guy gets the ball in his hands he has the ability to take it deep every time.

and he was the other return guy for clemson. Spiller got all the attention, but teams kicked to spiller because even if they kicked away from him, ford was just as scary

he's the ACC 60 meter champ, and he ran the fastest 40 at the combine

Fritz
04-03-2010, 04:39 PM
Don't we already have the black Toby Gerhart?

Ryan Grant?

Brando19
04-03-2010, 05:31 PM
Don't we already have the black Toby Gerhart?

Ryan Grant?

Yeah...but he ain't white, damnit!

swede
04-03-2010, 06:01 PM
Don't we already have the black Toby Gerhart?

Ryan Grant?

Toby has good vision and can "Joystick" through the first wave of defenders. He doesn't clear and get the big home run the way that Grant occasionally does, but he does punish defenders and makes them work hard. He'd be a great 4th quarter RB the way that Marion the Barbarian is for Dallas.

One of his highlight reels:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLh_yO41jw