DA BRYANT.....BOOM OR BUST

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/90901594.html

Nice article on probably the most controversial player going into the 2010 draft:

Most I've seen still think Bryant goes well before Green Bay

But what if by chance he falls to 23 ?

Dude has top 10 talent and nobody denies that.........so two questions.......


1. Will TT consider him ?

2. What if TT gives us a Harrell type curve ball and nabs Bryant......would you be upset ???

[Lurker64]

No thanks, we're good in terms of "people to throw the ball to". Nelson and Jones already don't get enough touches because neither can beat the other one out for WR3, while WR1, WR2, and TE1 are such great targets.

If we draft any WRs this year, it should probably be a late round pick for a return specialist (like a 7th for Trindon Holiday).

[Brandon494]

I think you have to take him. I mean he only lied about going to Deion Sanders house, not like its anything illegal.

If this guy would have played all season he would be a lock top 10 pick and still might even be one.

Driver is not getting any younger at 35 and we saw how fast Marvin Harrison dropped off. Also Nelson and Jones are nothing special. The trio of Jennings, Finley, and Bryant for Aaron to work with would be a top 5 offense for years to come IMO.

Also Dex Bryant was a pretty good punt returner in college if I remember correctly.

I doubt he'll fall to us anyway so it doesn't really matter, I think he is a lock to go to Denver after trading Brandon Marshall.

[Fritz]

If Denver takes him that would be weird. Trade one troubled wide receiver, draft another one.

[Bretsky]

I'd find it hard to believe Denver would pass him up as well. I don't think he'll last to us but if you think he's hands down the BPA I could see TT taking him.

[Gunakor]

For the same reason that TT passed on Crabtree last year I think he passes on Bryant this year, should Bryant fall all the way down to #23. No need to draft a boom or bust player at a position of strength in the first round of the draft. If Bryant is the BPA at 23, and there's no other player on TT's board ranked that high, trade the pick away and move down.

[retailguy]

he's not "packer people". whatever the hell that is...

[Tarlam!]

he's not "packer people". whatever the hell that is...

:idea:

Allow me to help point you in the right direction, RG:

http://www.packers.com/team/players/

The site is full of Packer People.... 8-)

[retailguy]

he's not "packer people". whatever the hell that is...

:idea:

Allow me to help point you in the right direction, RG:

http://www.packers.com/team/players/

The site is full of Packer People.... 8-)

touche' my friend, touche'. :D

[red]

good lord no

crabtree part deux

[pbmax]

He maybe Crabtree or Moss in some ways, but I don't understand the criticism about his work. He's built like a Mack trick for a receiver. Even if OKST helped him with supplements (legal or otherwise), he has obviously spent a great deal of time in the weight room. Would it be impossible to get that work ethic to appear on the field?

And if you could, then the more apt comparison might be Terrel Owens. Not that that makes it any easier.

[Tarlam!]

The kid will be playing with a chip and will be successful early; that's my prediction.

If Deion Sanders is still mentoring him, he should be able to stay out of off-field trouble. But, didn't Pacman Jones also have Sanders mentoring him?

[RashanGary]

welcome back, tar. Just in time for the draft.


Whoa, RG, too. Just in time to complain about Ted :)

[Freak Out]

The guy is a badass WR, plus didn't he return punts petty well? Is he a head case? Probably considering how he was raised but he stayed out of trouble except for the lie about Neon from what we can read. He's a tempting pick if he's there that late in the round.

[retailguy]

welcome back, tar. Just in time for the draft.


Whoa, RG, too. Just in time to complain about Ted :)

Complaining? No, No my friend. I am "touting" the company line. Spoken straight from the company front man. :P

[Gunakor]

The guy is a badass WR, plus didn't he return punts petty well? Is he a head case? Probably considering how he was raised but he stayed out of trouble except for the lie about Neon from what we can read. He's a tempting pick if he's there that late in the round.

Even if he 'might' be the best receiver in this draft, WR is a position of real strength on our team right now. So if there's a general consensus that he has a decent chance to bust, I don't know if it's worth the risk given other positions of weakness. At least if TT drafted an OT and he busted it could be looked at as an attempt to fix a real problem that just didn't work out. If TT drafts a WR in the first this year and he busts, it's the worst pick of all time because we didn't need a WR to begin with.

[Tarlam!]

If TT drafts a WR in the first this year and he busts, it's the worst pick of all time because we didn't need a WR to begin with.

Gun, I agree with your post 1000% The Pack truly is not in need of a WR out of the 1st or maybe even second round. But I don't know that I agree with your final conclusion above.

Consider them losing DD, JJ and Jordy to injuries.It happened to their secondary last year, right? All of a sudden, we're screaming for quality depth in our secondary.

It is, indeed, the reasoning behind TT's BPA draft philosophy

[red]

The guy is a badass WR, plus didn't he return punts petty well? Is he a head case? Probably considering how he was raised but he stayed out of trouble except for the lie about Neon from what we can read. He's a tempting pick if he's there that late in the round.

Even if he 'might' be the best receiver in this draft, WR is a position of real strength on our team right now. So if there's a general consensus that he has a decent chance to bust, I don't know if it's worth the risk given other positions of weakness. At least if TT drafted an OT and he busted it could be looked at as an attempt to fix a real problem that just didn't work out. If TT drafts a WR in the first this year and he busts, it's the worst pick of all time because we didn't need a WR to begin with.

for some reason that whole scenario sounds very familiar

the year 2007 seems to be burning an image in my brain

[mission]

The guy is a badass WR, plus didn't he return punts petty well? Is he a head case? Probably considering how he was raised but he stayed out of trouble except for the lie about Neon from what we can read. He's a tempting pick if he's there that late in the round.

Even if he 'might' be the best receiver in this draft, WR is a position of real strength on our team right now. So if there's a general consensus that he has a decent chance to bust, I don't know if it's worth the risk given other positions of weakness. At least if TT drafted an OT and he busted it could be looked at as an attempt to fix a real problem that just didn't work out. If TT drafts a WR in the first this year and he busts, it's the worst pick of all time because we didn't need a WR to begin with.

for some reason that whole scenario sounds very familiar

the year 2007 seems to be burning an image in my brain

ya man i have this sick feeling in my stomach that we're going to do something kind of wacky... :?

[red]

He maybe Crabtree or Moss in some ways, but I don't understand the criticism about his work. He's built like a Mack trick for a receiver. Even if OKST helped him with supplements (legal or otherwise), he has obviously spent a great deal of time in the weight room. Would it be impossible to get that work ethic to appear on the field?

And if you could, then the more apt comparison might be Terrel Owens. Not that that makes it any easier.

word is he was late to practices and even games, shows a giant lack of discipline IMO

[mission]

He maybe Crabtree or Moss in some ways, but I don't understand the criticism about his work. He's built like a Mack trick for a receiver. Even if OKST helped him with supplements (legal or otherwise), he has obviously spent a great deal of time in the weight room. Would it be impossible to get that work ethic to appear on the field?

And if you could, then the more apt comparison might be Terrel Owens. Not that that makes it any easier.

word is he was late to practices and even games, shows a giant lack of discipline IMO

maybe there was traffic coming from his uptown highrise condo??



(wait, do they have those in stillwater?)

[RashanGary]

I don't want him. Bryant is a great talent, but the exact type that isn't found very often on championship teams.

[ThunderDan]

The guy is a badass WR, plus didn't he return punts petty well? Is he a head case? Probably considering how he was raised but he stayed out of trouble except for the lie about Neon from what we can read. He's a tempting pick if he's there that late in the round.

Even if he 'might' be the best receiver in this draft, WR is a position of real strength on our team right now. So if there's a general consensus that he has a decent chance to bust, I don't know if it's worth the risk given other positions of weakness. At least if TT drafted an OT and he busted it could be looked at as an attempt to fix a real problem that just didn't work out. If TT drafts a WR in the first this year and he busts, it's the worst pick of all time because we didn't need a WR to begin with.

for some reason that whole scenario sounds very familiar

the year 2007 seems to be burning an image in my brain

ya man i have this sick feeling in my stomach that we're going to do something kind of wacky... :?

We did make it to the NFC Championship game in 2007!

[Tarlam!]

word is he was late to practices and even games, shows a giant lack of discipline IMO

The word that he vehemently denied to be true in his now infamous "enough is enough" interview.

I wonder why he lied, though. What's the big deal if he hangs out at Primetimes crib?

[Bretsky]

It's an interesting debate so I figured I'd spice things up a bit in here

What if TT thinks he's a Hall of Fame Talent ? This is pick #23. Does TT pass up elite talent at #23.

I get the Raji Pick, even though I will STILL stubbornly say Crabtree will be the better pro.

But if you can get elite talent at #23, at just about any position but QB, you have to condider it.

By the Way, the SAME argument can be made for drafting Ryan Matthews

Best WR....Elite RB...perhaps..., or the 5th or 6th best OT ?

[Brandon494]

For the same reason that TT passed on Crabtree last year I think he passes on Bryant this year, should Bryant fall all the way down to #23. No need to draft a boom or bust player at a position of strength in the first round of the draft. If Bryant is the BPA at 23, and there's no other player on TT's board ranked that high, trade the pick away and move down.

The value of the #9 pick and #23 pick is huge difference. Also you saw how well Crabtree played after missing all of training camp and and half the season when he finally did sign with the team.

[RashanGary]

This is one of pacman Jones friends. Several scouts interviewed have said this guy is a bad apple, plain and simple. Not immature, but just a bad guy.


Thompson has always said, he'll give guys a 2nd chance. Good guys make bad decisions, but he will not take a bad guy.


Dez Bryant is a bad guy according to many of the reports.

[falco]

Why waste a first round pick on him when you could pick up a future star like Jeremy Williams in the later rounds???

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Houston+v+Tulane+vSoaHHLtdkxl.jpg

[Gunakor]

For the same reason that TT passed on Crabtree last year I think he passes on Bryant this year, should Bryant fall all the way down to #23. No need to draft a boom or bust player at a position of strength in the first round of the draft. If Bryant is the BPA at 23, and there's no other player on TT's board ranked that high, trade the pick away and move down.

The value of the #9 pick and #23 pick is huge difference. Also you saw how well Crabtree played after missing all of training camp and and half the season when he finally did sign with the team.

I'm not talking about how Crabs played last season. I'm talking about the question marks surrounding him at draft time. Nobody knew for certain what type of WR he was going to be coming off that injury, which led to some doubt, which would have scared me away from drafting him simply because we did not (and still do not) need a first round WR to begin with.

[pbmax]

This is one of pacman Jones friends. Several scouts interviewed have said this guy is a bad apple, plain and simple. Not immature, but just a bad guy.


Thompson has always said, he'll give guys a 2nd chance. Good guys make bad decisions, but he will not take a bad guy.


Dez Bryant is a bad guy according to many of the reports.
Please find me those quotes or links about him being a bad guy. And what exactly do you mean his is Pacman Jones friend?


"I don't know if he's a mess," Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian said. "I don't think he's a bad kid. He's just got some difficulty."

No arrests. Says he doesn't smoke pot or drink. He got burned by lying to cover for Deion recruiting him for Eugene Parker. His agent scares me more than Bryant does.

[Tarlam!]

Please find me those quotes or links about him being a bad guy. And what exactly do you mean his is Pacman Jones friend?

I've wondered myself about this. What was the big deal with Deion Sanders, anyway?

[pbmax]

Please find me those quotes or links about him being a bad guy. And what exactly do you mean his is Pacman Jones friend?

I've wondered myself about this. What was the big deal with Deion Sanders, anyway?
Deion was befriending Bryant. Buying him dinner, inviting him to his home, working out with him. Sanders has done this with other players in college. A high number of these players later signed with Eugene Parker as their agent. Parker was Deion's agent and they remain close friends.

It is against NCAA rules for college players to be provided gifts by representatives of agents while the player has remaining eligibility. Th idea is to avoid Sugar Daddies, in the form of agents, paying athletes in advance in order to increase the chance that the player signs with an agent after he decides to turn pro.

Sanders maintains that he and Parker have no formal business ties, so he cannot be considered a stringer for Parker. I would surmise this is probably superficially true, and that with the draw of an athlete of Deion's stature, he and Parker have found a way to end run the rule. Sanders then probably receives some kind of consideration on the back end, after the athlete signs, that is nearly invisible to the NCAA.

Bryant got into trouble when he denied meeting with Sanders.

[Tarlam!]

:tup: Thanks PB!

[green_bowl_packer]

Please find me those quotes or links about him being a bad guy. And what exactly do you mean his is Pacman Jones friend?

I've wondered myself about this. What was the big deal with Deion Sanders, anyway?
Deion was befriending Bryant. Buying him dinner, inviting him to his home, working out with him. Sanders has done this with other players in college. A high number of these players later signed with Eugene Parker as their agent. Parker was Deion's agent and they remain close friends.

It is against NCAA rules for college players to be provided gifts by representatives of agents while the player has remaining eligibility. Th idea is to avoid Sugar Daddies, in the form of agents, paying athletes in advance in order to increase the chance that the player signs with an agent after he decides to turn pro.

Sanders maintains that he and Parker have no formal business ties, so he cannot be considered a stringer for Parker. I would surmise this is probably superficially true, and that with the draw of an athlete of Deion's stature, he and Parker have found a way to end run the rule. Sanders then probably receives some kind of consideration on the back end, after the athlete signs, that is nearly invisible to the NCAA.

Bryant got into trouble when he denied meeting with Sanders.

Read an article in ESPN the Magazine on Monday in the drs. office that I didn't get to finish (I'm fine - thanks for asking (':D')) regarding PrimeTimes relationship with all these guys. They said they don't know what purpose he really serves (more to himself and his ego), as the star players don't really need him, he won't mentor a fringe player, most say they have ignored his advice and the relationships, only go public when something bad happens like Crabtree and Bryant. Interesting blurb about Noel Divine's the RB from WV and his relationship with Deion.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4979835

[Tarlam!]

Enjoyed the article, green_bowl_packer. Thanks for digging that up.