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HarveyWallbangers
08-17-2010, 03:45 PM
Not sure if this was posted before.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Aaron-Rodgers-Green-Bay-Packers-leadership-anti-Favre-NFL-training-camp-2010


Rodgers embraces role as team leader

This is a very special place in the world of the NFL. The smallest city in the league has the most championships, a gorgeous renovated stadium, some of the finest football facilities around, knowledgeable fans everywhere and enough sports bars to host their arguments.

Plus, the Packers have a new leader in quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who can be best described as the anti-Favre.

Down in the loading dock area in the bowels of Lambeau Field, head coach Mike McCarthy parks his oversized black truck with the winch on the back, a truck powerful enough to plow snow-covered driveways. Right next to McCarthy’s truck is a Cadillac Escalade, in Brett Favre’s old parking spot. Those are the only two vehicles in the place, immune from the hundreds of tailgaters outside on a typical practice day.

“Is that Rodgers’ Cadillac?” I asked the loading dock manager.

“No, Aaron Rodgers is a regular guy,” was the reply. “He parks with the rest of his teammates outside.”

After 16 seasons of having a living legend in their midst, the Green Bay faithful, from general manager Ted Thompson on down to Joe Fan, has come to adore Rodgers because he really seems to be a regular guy.

He’s also a very good quarterback.

“It’s not that I don’t appreciate what Brett did for this franchise, but we all got tired of the drama,” said fan Mike Wainwright, who brought his wife to watch practice. "Rodgers isn’t bigger than the whole team.”

By now, we all know the Rodgers story -- how he was bypassed by his favorite team, the San Francisco 49ers, and slid from the top of the 2005 draft all the way down to where Thompson felt obligated to pick him at No. 24 overall because he ranked so high on his draft board. Not too surprisingly, Favre and Rodgers didn’t get along that first season.

“The week before the draft I really thought I was going to be a 49er and be the first pick,” Rodgers said. “They were my childhood team, but I would say this is the perfect place now, and I’m not saying that because I’ve had some success the last couple of years. I like to think I would have had success anywhere else I went. Plus, the organization here has been good to me. They’ve built a pretty good team on both sides of the ball.”

But this is Green Bay! The microscope is huge on the quarterback! Don’t you ever feel harassed by the fans?

“That’s not the right word,” Rodgers said.

OK, are you ever bothered by them?

“That’s not a good word, either,” Rodgers said. "This is a special place to play football. The Packer fans, especially those that live here in Brown County, have a special stake in this team. They basically own it. I enjoy the interaction with the fans. I come from a small town in California and there are a lot of similarities. They are blue-collar people who simply love their football

You have probably read the stories where Rodgers invited his teammates over to his home after Favre retired in early 2008. He hosted barbecues and even Bible study meetings. He was an everyman, but he was showing his teammates he was willing to do anything to be their leader and new quarterback. He didn’t simply want to be Favre’s replacement.

“I know how cynical you can be, but Rodgers is real; he’s totally genuine,” a Packers executive told me. “There is no one in our building who thinks he’s a phony. Besides, the players would have seen through that by now if he wasn’t the real deal.”

Packers coach Mike McCarthy, who was involved in choosing Alex Smith over Rodgers when he coached in San Francisco, said he knew Rodgers was ready to assume Favre’s role in 2008. “More importantly, I knew our team was ready,” McCarthy said.

“One of the worst things you can do to a young quarterback is to start him when the rest of the team is really struggling or simply doesn’t have enough talented players around him.”

For 2 1/2 seasons, Rodgers stood and watched Favre quarterback the Packers.

Then his chance came in Dallas against the Cowboys when Favre got injured in the second quarter. “I played pretty well and knew I was ready to play in this league,” Rodgers said.

There are some in the Favre conspiracy faction who believe that’s when Thompson and McCarthy knew they could move on without No. 4; that they no longer had to wait all offseason for Favre to make up his mind to play or retire.

And the Green Bay braintrust isn’t alone. A top executive of a team who recently drafted a QB in the first round said that when making his decision on a quarterback, he compared him against these top five quarterbacks: Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers and Rodgers. He mentioned the last two even though they haven’t won a Super Bowl. Heck, Rodgers still hasn’t won a playoff game.

Statistically, only Favre had a better overall season than Rodgers last year. Rodgers had a 30-to-7 touchdown to interception ratio while Favre's was 33-to-7. Rodgers was fourth in the league in both passing yards (4,434) and quarterback rating (103.2).

I asked Rodgers if he thought he was better off sitting and watching Favre, much like Rivers did in San Diego for two seasons behind Brees.

“I think learning is the best way to put that,” he said. “I’d like to think physically I might have been able to play as a rookie, but mentally I would have been swimming. Maybe I would have been impacted negatively by those experiences. I will say that I am 10 times better right now mentally than my first couple of years. By the third season, I think I had figured it out.”

Donald Driver, the Packers’ veteran receiver, favorably compares Rodgers’ arm strength to Favre’s and John Elway’s. “He has one of the strongest arms in the league,” Driver said of his quarterback. “But I believe he worked hard in the weight room to develop that strength. His velocity is so much better now than when he first came here. He also throws one of the prettiest deep balls I’ve ever seen.”

But in Green Bay’s biggest game last season, an overtime playoff loss to Kurt Warner and the Arizona Cardinals, Rodgers misfired on two deep throws to a wide open Greg Jennings. A completion on either one would have won the game.

“Even though I have played well statistically,” Rodgers said, “I’m driven to get better and better. I want to win championships here. That’s the only success that matters to me.”

Scott Campbell
08-17-2010, 04:34 PM
He might be the one of just a couple guys in the league can make us contenders for the foreseeable future.

Joemailman
08-17-2010, 08:00 PM
“I know how cynical you can be, but Rodgers is real; he’s totally genuine,” a Packers executive told me. “There is no one in our building who thinks he’s a phony. Besides, the players would have seen through that by now if he wasn’t the real deal.”

I think this is an important aspect of Rodgers. It can't be easy being the face of the franchise under the circumstances in which it happened. I sometimes wondered if the composed, well spoken guy we see in interviews was the real guy, or the image he felt he needed to project. Probably both. I agree that if he wasn't genuine, the players would have seen through it. He deserves a ton of credit for the way he's handled the situation he was thrust in to.

Freak Out
08-18-2010, 01:41 PM
Take a look at this.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5473874

Gunakor
08-18-2010, 02:38 PM
Take a look at this.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5473874

That's not the impressive part. What's impressive is that he does that practically week in and week out in live game action with a bunch of pissed off DL bearing down on him.

Fritz
08-18-2010, 05:28 PM
'Down in the loading dock area in the bowels of Lambeau Field, head coach Mike McCarthy parks his oversized black truck with the winch on the back, a truck powerful enough to plow snow-covered driveways. Right next to McCarthy’s truck is a Cadillac Escalade, in Brett Favre’s old parking spot. Those are the only two vehicles in the place, immune from the hundreds of tailgaters outside on a typical practice day.

“Is that Rodgers’ Cadillac?” I asked the loading dock manager.

“No, Aaron Rodgers is a regular guy,” was the reply. “He parks with the rest of his teammates outside.” '

Well goddammit, whose Escalade was parked next to McCarthy's truck, then??

HarveyWallbangers
08-18-2010, 05:42 PM
Well goddammit, whose Escalade was parked next to McCarthy's truck, then??

Thompson? Murphy? Capers?

Scott Campbell
08-18-2010, 05:53 PM
Well goddammit, whose Escalade was parked next to McCarthy's truck, then??


Dibs.

Fritz
08-18-2010, 07:49 PM
I vote for the hot dog vendor.

PlantPage55
08-19-2010, 02:46 AM
Well goddammit, whose Escalade was parked next to McCarthy's truck, then??

Leroy Butler used to drive a tricked out Escalade. I drove it and washed it after he sold it a few years ago.

Tarlam!
08-20-2010, 11:43 PM
This doesn't seem like another fluff piece;

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/101207844.html

Rodgers has taken part of the responsibility for the sack situation from early last season, IMHO. Coupled with the "new and improved Finley", we might see an MVP Rodgers leading the Packers this season.

Tarlam!
09-09-2010, 03:40 PM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/09/08/warner-rodgers-separating-himself-from-other-qbs/?module=HP_spotlight3col

Spaulding
09-09-2010, 04:46 PM
Nice link Tarlam. Have always liked Warner (met him once while with his wife and kids and you could just tell he was a legit nice guy) and to hear him say the things about Rodgers to me speaks volumes.

Still can't believe the luck we had to transition from Favre to Rodgers. Short of Montana to Young (which also had an ugly divorce) I'm hard pressed to think of another one like it. Then again, Rodgers still has to win a playoff game let alone a Super Bowl like Young but you have to believe with the ways things are playing out that it's a possibility at some point.

chain_gang
09-10-2010, 08:24 PM
Well goddammit, whose Escalade was parked next to McCarthy's truck, then??

Thompson? Murphy? Capers?


It's Thompson's Silver Escalade. First week of training camp went on the stadium tour... I noticed two vehicles down there and asked the tour guide whose they were. Said the Truck was McCarthy's and the Escalade was TT's...(Wish the the pictures would've turned out better but I left my camera at home and had to use a crappy disposable one.) Anyways he said how Favre was the only player that ever parked down there. Fans would jump the fence area for players parking just to get to him, so the team had him parked there. At first he hated it, the tour guide said, but come winter he came around to parking underground real quick.

HarveyWallbangers
09-10-2010, 08:44 PM
Anyways he said how Favre was the only player that ever parked down there. Fans would jump the fence area for players parking just to get to him, so the team had him parked there.

I'm not sure if I believe this. I've been to 12-13 games at Lambeau. Most of the time I'd watch Favre and the other players come in. Not once did I see fans jump the fence. I'm not saying it never happened. But I'd say that it would be extremely rare. Favre was always cool with the fans though. His brother and/or Dad would often drop him off. He'd always acknowledge the fans.

chain_gang
09-10-2010, 08:52 PM
Anyways he said how Favre was the only player that ever parked down there. Fans would jump the fence area for players parking just to get to him, so the team had him parked there.

I'm not sure if I believe this. I've been to 12-13 games at Lambeau. Most of the time I'd watch Favre and the other players come in. Not once did I see fans jump the fence. I'm not saying it never happened. But I'd say that it would be extremely rare. Favre was always cool with the fans though. His brother and/or Dad would often drop him off. He'd always acknowledge the fans.


Yeah I didn't know what to think of it either, but just stating what the guide said. I've been to Lambeau many times...Not to far away from it, and I never heard that story before. I do seem to remember him driving down the ramp to go underground a few times tho, not the games I've been at, but on some of the pre-game shows...

Fritz
09-10-2010, 09:00 PM
“I know how cynical you can be, but Rodgers is real; he’s totally genuine,” a Packers executive told me. “There is no one in our building who thinks he’s a phony. Besides, the players would have seen through that by now if he wasn’t the real deal.”

I think this is an important aspect of Rodgers. It can't be easy being the face of the franchise under the circumstances in which it happened. I sometimes wondered if the composed, well spoken guy we see in interviews was the real guy, or the image he felt he needed to project. Probably both. I agree that if he wasn't genuine, the players would have seen through it. He deserves a ton of credit for the way he's handled the situation he was thrust in to.

Yes, all those hot young women wanting to sit on the face of the franchise. Tough.

vince
09-12-2010, 06:54 AM
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/102305684.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=packers

Rodgers took hits on, off the field in 2008

Aaron Rodgers absorbed the hits and mostly held everything in, which went against his very nature. Then he braced himself for every awkward encounter. At the store, a function, an interview, he mentally dropped his dukes and prepared for yet another cheap shot.

Didn't we all remark at how bravely Rodgers handled that messy, painful transition of Brett Favre's departure? Didn't we admire his maturity, class and strength? Before we ever knew Rodgers could thread a needle 50 yards downfield or take 50 sacks and get up every time, didn't we marvel at how the man held his head above the sewage flow that was the summer of 2008?

But really, we had no idea. . . .

About the nasty letters. The hateful comments. The intrusion on his property. The brazen confrontations.

Two years ago, as Green Bay's first new quarterback in 16 years, Rodgers thought the only way to handle angry fans who still wanted No. 4 at the helm was to speak up but not out, to make people laugh and to take the verbal sacks.

Privately, however, his days as the punching bag certainly were numbered. He would not take the body blows forever. He was young but he was no victim. And so when the calendar changed years, Rodgers changed his own rules.

"I was really beat down," Rodgers said. "My teammates helped me out a bunch.

"But in '09, I just said, 'I'm going to take back my life.' "

Rodgers sits under a shaded cabana hut in the backyard of his beautiful house in the hills of San Diego. This is the kind of place where shoes are optional year-round. He's barefoot. It's July, and he just came back from his favorite week in the summer, golfing in Lake Tahoe with Michael Jordan and every other celebrity in the sports world.

He's in a great mood. He opens up.

This used to be a subject that was off-limits, that would get a "no comment" through clenched jaws. Rodgers will share it now, only because he was asked - again - and because he'd like to explain that Sunday armor does come off.

And he heard those boos at that first Favre-less practice in 2008, the sarcastic rooting for the New York Jets, the hecklers every time he wound up.

And he felt those boos during Family Night, when he made his official debut as the Packers' starting quarterback at Lambeau Field.

And his jaw dropped at the kid who cussed at him.

He was often aware of the nasty comments on local and national blogs.

He found his truck keyed at Miller Park.

He read derogatory comments written on his driveway (although we must chuckle at that because it was written in sidewalk chalk).

But it was no joke when he and former teammate Ruvell Martin were harassed at a gas station.

The letters, well, there were too many to count.

"It was ugly," Packers receiver Greg Jennings said. "They didn't always mean harm. But it was very harmful, what they were doing.

"I remember this one lady saying, 'I'm a Favre fan. I don't dislike Aaron; I just don't like the fact that he's our quarterback.'

"I was like, are you serious right now? This guy hasn't done anything! He didn't ask to be here. He didn't ask to get drafted by the Packers. He didn't ask to be behind a future Hall of Famer. He didn't ask Brett to leave."

Rodgers didn't tell most of his teammates what he was experiencing, and two years later most of them still don't know.

"I heard and saw the fans say things. I heard things at practice. Fans are not always nice," running back Ryan Grant said. "Aaron kept that to himself as much as possible."

Even in the sanctity of his home in Green Bay, Rodgers could not escape the jabs.

"It was all the stuff that was said on TV," receiver James Jones said. "The guy took so much heat on TV and I mean, you watch ESPN, you watch NFL Network, and everybody is just saying bad things about you. That's tough to deal with."

Even as Rodgers kept it to himself, the Packers who once blocked and bled for Favre clamored to support Rodgers because they could sense he needed it.

"The more moral support he got from us, that other stuff kind of fell on deaf ears," Jennings said. "Well . . .  deaf ears . . .  we still heard it. But he handled it better than anyone with some of the most pressure you can have. Yeah, that was ridiculous.

"It was very disappointing to me to hear those boos. You want to boo the guy who is supposed to lead you to a Super Bowl someday? It was very disappointing, but at the same time we knew we had to support him. We kind of took ownership. We had to make plays. We have to make plays for this man."

Buoyed by their support and mentally strong already after a lifetime of being overlooked, Rodgers put up a front for the public. He said most of the right things. He threw for 4,000 yards. He fought off injury. He played well and faced his critics.

But remember the grunge hair? No accident. Everything Rodgers does, even down to his physical appearance, has a purpose and so did that beach-bum look.

"I don't take myself too seriously. I grow my hair out, grow a mustache in training camp. It's for comic relief," Rodgers said.

It was, in part, a way to get all the guys on the team to at least laugh with him and maybe that would lead to unity.

"Well that's my secret. It's not going to be a secret anymore obviously," Rodgers said. "There's not many things that I do that aren't thought out. I'm not just a whimsical person. If more people are going to talk about my mustache than Brett Favre in 2008, that's a win for me. It's not like I just woke up one day, 'Oh, I am going to do this.' "

Whenever possible, Rodgers flashed a disguising grin. But by the end of the year, he'd heard enough.

"People have some funny ways of trying to get under my skin," Rodgers said. "The common one is just comparing me to Brett. Which . . .  it doesn't affect me. It doesn't affect me at all.

"I don't want to be him.

"I just got to a point where I couldn't not do something about it. It hurts when I open my car door and a guy yells 'F you' to me. You just hold all that in, and I have a hard time holding all that in."

In the end, that 2008 season was a mixed bag. Rodgers played well but the Packers finished with a 6-10 record. At least the world could put the transition in the rearview mirror.

"I said, 'I'm going to take back the normalcy that I want,' " Rodgers said. "In '08, I didn't really do much, I didn't go out much. But in '09 I was like, whether we win, lose, whether we're terrible or I'm terrible or whether I play well, I've got to be myself. I'm going to go to the restaurants I want to go to, go to the store when I need to."

Last year, the 11-5 Packers went to the playoffs and Rodgers played brilliantly. He had once vowed to turn the Family Night boos into cheers, and he did it.

"I couldn't think of anybody just going about his business better than Aaron," Grant said. "I bet it just motivated him even more. He played with a chip on his shoulder."

Now seen as a quarterback in his own right, and not Favre's replacement - which is really all he wanted - Rodgers also has allowed his outspoken side to come out. Now that he truly feels like the leader of a strong and proud franchise, the strong and proud son of Chico, Calif., often shares his viewpoints on wide-ranging topics, from urging former teammate Aaron Kampman to embrace the new 3-4 defense, to critiquing football TV commentators to even telling someone on Twitter to get a life and get out of his.

Rodgers almost always has a thought on any issue. That's not new. He just feels comfortable expressing it now.

Of course, he must choose his battles. Rodgers started to tell another story but stopped, explaining that he's not looking for pity. Then he seems like he doesn't want to get into it.

He's nudged.

While Rodgers was golfing in Tahoe, a fan lashed out.

"A guy said he hopes I break my F-ing leg this year because I didn't sign his jersey," Rodgers said.

Rodgers paused, for such a long time it seemed only the birds in the palm trees were going to continue.

"How does that not affect you? I mean, it affects me big-time," Rodgers said. "I can't believe that guy had the audacity to say that to me. And he only did it because there's a gate between us and there are 200 witnesses if I were to punch his lights out.

"What kind of person says that, in general, in life? Saying something inappropriate because I can't punch you back or I can't do anything because I'm a public figure and you can sue me?"

He adjusts his aviator sunglasses and for a second the irritated anger in his eyes is unmistakable.

"In no way did I tell the stories of '08 to try and draw any sympathy from anybody," Rodgers said. "More to draw an awareness of the fact that we're people first. And, how ridiculous is this.

"I have gotten to the point where I don't feel like I should be just a punching bag that can't punch back. If someone says something highly inappropriate, then there's no reason I shouldn't respond. It's ridiculous."

The subject is changed. There are 9 million stories to share in the life of 26-year-old Aaron Rodgers. This was just one chapter. It has been told and it's over.

Rodgers reclines, grins and relaxes again, but that body language is deceiving. He is tougher than ever and ready for any fight.

"A lot of people were partial to Brett Favre and rightfully so," cornerback Charles Woodson said. "That's just them stating their loyalty to Brett. But I knew once Aaron started playing, that wouldn't matter.

"And I think it's over. It's done with. This is his time."

falco
09-12-2010, 07:27 AM
If I had to choose between Rodgers now and Favre in his prime, I'm taking Rodgers all the way. He's an all-pro QB and doesn't make the mental mistakes that always left me pulling my hair out with Favre.

I could really care less if he's not the cowboy gunslinger Favre always was. He's a guy you can win with.

Scott Campbell
09-12-2010, 07:42 AM
If I had to choose between Rodgers now and Favre in his prime, I'm taking Rodgers all the way. He's an all-pro QB and doesn't make the mental mistakes that always left me pulling my hair out with Favre.

I could really care less if he's not the cowboy gunslinger Favre always was. He's a guy you can win with.


Unbelievably I find myself thinking the same. Aaron doesn't seem to take you out of games with the inexplicable unforced errors. I don't think we'll ever see him throw a block on a reverse with the gusto that Bert did, but he's as good or better in many other respects, and doesn't make the brain dead head scratchers or have any off field drama - thus far anyway.

Now he's just got to win some of the hardware that goes along with being one of the all time greats.