"Ted's WTF Prediction Thread"

[Patler]

And you can guarantee there will be a couple of "WTF?" type moves.. :D

That sounds like it should have its own thread. The "Ted's WTF Prediction Thread".

You asked for it, here it is! :lol:

I'll start:

Just 2 running backs, Grant and Jackson (the "generals")
But, 3 FBs again, with Kuhn subbing as a RB when needed.
4 TEs. (Crabtree to PS)

This will "save" a spot for Starks, and by weeks 7, 8 or 9 Hall will again be injured so they can move him out for Starks, if need be.

[Tony Oday]

You traded Hawk!?

[HarveyWallbangers]

I actually agree with patler's prediction.

[Patler]

You traded Hawk!?

?? You lost me with this comment.

[Fritz]

Cuts Blackmon, keeps Bush as "swing" guy.

[Tony Oday]

You traded Hawk!?

?? You lost me with this comment.

TTs WTF Prediction...

He trades Hawk for something and then I say WTF...I would guess a CB

[rbaloha1]

You traded Hawk!?

?? You lost me with this comment.

TTs WTF Prediction...

He trades Hawk for something and then I say WTF...I would guess a CB

Mentioned this many months ago since I assumed Bishop would step-up and previously receiving nothing for Kampman.

Given the lack of depth at ilb trading Hawk is not prudent.

[Patler]

Underwood to IR.

I discussed this in my thread about the "25" for defense. They moved Lee to IR last year even though no one believed his injury was season-ending. Underwood has a shoulder issue that they are saying little about. Protect him for a year to develop, and to be indicted or absolved; convicted or acquitted; etc.

[vince]

"the generals"
:lol: That could stick. U.S. and Stonewall

I agree with the prediction of 2 rb's too.

I have no idea what will happen at TE. I'd like to see Lee moved, but I'll be surprised to see it happen. Quarless is the one who McCarthy speaks the least highly of at this point, but I think he'd get snatched up off the PS and he could develop into a very good one. Crabtree has been seeing time recently on first team special teams, so it seems like their liking him for his abilities there.

[Tony Oday]

You traded Hawk!?

?? You lost me with this comment.

TTs WTF Prediction...

He trades Hawk for something and then I say WTF...I would guess a CB

Mentioned this many months ago since I assumed Bishop would step-up and previously receiving nothing for Kampman.

Given the lack of depth at ilb trading Hawk is not prudent.

I agree hence the WTF

[Patler]

I have no idea what will happen at TE. I'd like to see Lee moved, but I'll be surprised to see it happen. Quarless is the one who McCarthy speaks the least highly of at this point, but I think he'd get snatched up off the PS and he could develop into a very good one. Crabtree has been seeing time recently on first team special teams, so it seems like their liking him for his abilities there.

Moving Lee would be risky for this season. If Finley goes out for a few games, having just Havner. Quarless and Crabtree would significantly chnage the offense. But then again, with their 4 WRs, maybe it wouldn't be that significant. If you could deal him for a competent backup CB, it might be worth the risk.

[cheesner]

An over-paid, over-rated, over-the-hill player, with a recognizable name, will be cut by another team and TT will not sign him.

[Bossman641]

An over-paid, over-rated, over-the-hill player, with a recognizable name, will be cut by another team and TT will not sign him.....and fans will become overly upset

That's better

[HarveyWallbangers]

"the generals"
:lol: That could stick. U.S. and Stonewall

I agree with the prediction of 2 rb's too.

I'd like to see Lee moved

They should move Lee to RB. Then, they would have a trio of "generals".

[sharpe1027]

"the generals"
:lol: That could stick. U.S. and Stonewall

I agree with the prediction of 2 rb's too.

I'd like to see Lee moved

They should move Lee to RB. Then, they would have a trio of "generals".

Why not? He already lines up in the backfield all the time.

[Scott Campbell]

Underwood to IR.

I discussed this in my thread about the "25" for defense. They moved Lee to IR last year even though no one believed his injury was season-ending. Underwood has a shoulder issue that they are saying little about. Protect him for a year to develop, and to be indicted or absolved; convicted or acquitted; etc.


While plausible, I don't see that happening unless he's really hurting. They're too thin at DB right now.

[bobblehead]

All his cuts this year favor experience over youth.

[Fritz]

Well, how good do people think Havner is at tight end?

What does Lee offer that Havner does not? Could Lee and Spitz be traded? Could you get a reasonable NFL backup corner for Lee or Spitz and a 4th round pick?

[Joemailman]

Harrell makes the team. Graham, not Justin.

[retailguy]

Jason Chery makes the team, if he has a solid return night tomorrow. We need a spark on ST, and he might be the guy to provide it.

Besides I always pull for the underdog.

[Smidgeon]

Sadly, Breno or Barbre sticks...

[Smidgeon]

Despite what everyone seems to be predicting, the Packers will not keep just two RBs.

[MadScientist]

In a repeat of last year's trade with the Ravens, GB sends an OL to Baltimore (Spitz) for a safety (Ken Hamlin).

[retailguy]

Despite what everyone seems to be predicting, the Packers will not keep just two RBs.

I suspect Starks is the #3 guy, and I anticipate that we will keep two until he comes off PUP.

[imscott72]

Harrell makes the team. Graham, not Justin.

Disagree. I think both Harrell's make the team.

[imscott72]

Despite what everyone seems to be predicting, the Packers will not keep just two RBs.

I don't see this either. The days of one back shouldering the entire load are over. Grant couldn't handle that anyhow.

[retailguy]

Despite what everyone seems to be predicting, the Packers will not keep just two RBs.

I don't see this either. The days of one back shouldering the entire load are over. Grant couldn't handle that anyhow.

John Kuhn is your third back.

[imscott72]

Despite what everyone seems to be predicting, the Packers will not keep just two RBs.

I don't see this either. The days of one back shouldering the entire load are over. Grant couldn't handle that anyhow.

John Kuhn is your third back.

Kuhn is great at the goal line, but I don't see him carrying the ball 5-10 times a game should something happen to Grant/Jackson.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Kuhn is great at the goal line, but I don't see him carrying the ball 5-10 times a game should something happen to Grant/Jackson.

I'm guessing that if Grant (who has never missed a game) and Jackson both got injured in the same game, Kuhn would be up to carrying the ball 5-10 times. I'd also guess that we'd throw the ball almost every down. Then, after the game we'd scour the waiver wire. Lumpkin vs. Johnson all depends on how the Packers project these guys a year or two down the road. I could see them keeping Lumpkin, but not if they think Johnson is going to eventually be one of the best FBs in the league. I could also see them getting another team's reject as the third RB. I like Lumpkin as a runner. I don't like his injury history so much.

[Patler]

Despite what everyone seems to be predicting, the Packers will not keep just two RBs.

I don't see this either. The days of one back shouldering the entire load are over. Grant couldn't handle that anyhow.

John Kuhn is your third back.

Kuhn is great at the goal line, but I don't see him carrying the ball 5-10 times a game should something happen to Grant/Jackson.

Why not? He had 5 carries last night and was a prolific runner in college. Set all kinds of rushing records at Shippensburg, with close to 1,000 carries for close to 5,000 yards. He was a big running back that was converted to FB in the NFL, not a former linebacker or TE as many others are.

[imscott72]

Despite what everyone seems to be predicting, the Packers will not keep just two RBs.

I don't see this either. The days of one back shouldering the entire load are over. Grant couldn't handle that anyhow.

John Kuhn is your third back.

Kuhn is great at the goal line, but I don't see him carrying the ball 5-10 times a game should something happen to Grant/Jackson.

Why not? He had 5 carries last night and was a prolific runner in college. Set all kinds of rushing records at Shippensburg, with close to 1,000 carries for close to 5,000 yards. He was a big running back that was converted to FB in the NFL, not a former linebacker or TE as many others are.

I guess it's just because I haven't seen him do it. 5 times maybe, but not sure as the primary ball carrier. He's primarily a between the tackles type guy. I don't recall seeing any east/west type stuff from him.

[Tony Oday]

Despite what everyone seems to be predicting, the Packers will not keep just two RBs.

I don't see this either. The days of one back shouldering the entire load are over. Grant couldn't handle that anyhow.

John Kuhn is your third back.

Kuhn is great at the goal line, but I don't see him carrying the ball 5-10 times a game should something happen to Grant/Jackson.

Why not? He had 5 carries last night and was a prolific runner in college. Set all kinds of rushing records at Shippensburg, with close to 1,000 carries for close to 5,000 yards. He was a big running back that was converted to FB in the NFL, not a former linebacker or TE as many others are.

I guess it's just because I haven't seen him do it. 5 times maybe, but not sure as the primary ball carrier. He's primarily a between the tackles type guy. I don't recall seeing any east/west type stuff from him.

Grant does with a little help from B Jack...

[retailguy]

Despite what everyone seems to be predicting, the Packers will not keep just two RBs.

I don't see this either. The days of one back shouldering the entire load are over. Grant couldn't handle that anyhow.

John Kuhn is your third back.

Kuhn is great at the goal line, but I don't see him carrying the ball 5-10 times a game should something happen to Grant/Jackson.

Why not? He had 5 carries last night and was a prolific runner in college. Set all kinds of rushing records at Shippensburg, with close to 1,000 carries for close to 5,000 yards. He was a big running back that was converted to FB in the NFL, not a former linebacker or TE as many others are.

I guess it's just because I haven't seen him do it. 5 times maybe, but not sure as the primary ball carrier. He's primarily a between the tackles type guy. I don't recall seeing any east/west type stuff from him.

Earnest Graham did it in Tampa a couple of years ago, he's their starting FB now. Brad Hoover did it in Carolina 3 years ago, still a FB for them, I believe.

It's not that uncommon in a case of injury.

The question that Ted needs to answer is, is John Kuhn more valuable than Lumpkin? I think that answer is clearly YES.

[bobblehead]

Despite what everyone seems to be predicting, the Packers will not keep just two RBs.

I don't see this either. The days of one back shouldering the entire load are over. Grant couldn't handle that anyhow.

John Kuhn is your third back.

Kuhn is great at the goal line, but I don't see him carrying the ball 5-10 times a game should something happen to Grant/Jackson.

Why not?

Because he is WHITE!!! There, I said it.

[imscott72]

Despite what everyone seems to be predicting, the Packers will not keep just two RBs.

I don't see this either. The days of one back shouldering the entire load are over. Grant couldn't handle that anyhow.

John Kuhn is your third back.

Kuhn is great at the goal line, but I don't see him carrying the ball 5-10 times a game should something happen to Grant/Jackson.

Why not?

Because he is WHITE!!! There, I said it.

Racist bastard.. :lol:

[Fritz]

Despite what everyone seems to be predicting, the Packers will not keep just two RBs.

I don't see this either. The days of one back shouldering the entire load are over. Grant couldn't handle that anyhow.

John Kuhn is your third back.

Kuhn is great at the goal line, but I don't see him carrying the ball 5-10 times a game should something happen to Grant/Jackson.

Why not? He had 5 carries last night and was a prolific runner in college. Set all kinds of rushing records at Shippensburg, with close to 1,000 carries for close to 5,000 yards. He was a big running back that was converted to FB in the NFL, not a former linebacker or TE as many others are.

I agree.

I guess it's just because I haven't seen him do it. 5 times maybe, but not sure as the primary ball carrier. He's primarily a between the tackles type guy. I don't recall seeing any east/west type stuff from him.

Earnest Graham did it in Tampa a couple of years ago, he's their starting FB now. Brad Hoover did it in Carolina 3 years ago, still a FB for them, I believe.

It's not that uncommon in a case of injury.

The question that Ted needs to answer is, is John Kuhn more valuable than Lumpkin? I think that answer is clearly YES.

I agree with this.

[pbmax]

All data and work is Greg A. Bedard's of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. The original page can be found here (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/102209129.html). Blog was posted on Sept. 4th, accessed on Sept. 4th as well.

Download and conversion to text format completed by pbmax. If there are discrepancies, they are inadvertent and possibly the result of reformatting. The original source should be considered the authority. Download of data in Excel format (Bedard's version) can be found here (http://www.mediafire.com/file/9ac9g35nwlqnac1/plusminus.xlsx).

All data through 3 preseason games.


RECEIVERS Snaps Pass+ Pass- Run+ Run- PEN Other +/-
89 Jones, James 78 4 0 0 0 0 0 4.5
87 Nelson, Jordy 81 3 1 1 0 0 1 4.0
80 Driver, Donald 52 3 0 0 0 0 0 3.5
85 Jennings, Greg 27 3 0 0 0 0 0 3.5
13 Chery, Jason 23 1 1 0 0 0 1 2.5
18 Williams, Patrick 52 1 0 0 0 0 1 2.0
19 Gore, Shawn 30 1 1 0 0 0 0 0.0
11 West, Chastin 50 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0
17 Dillon, Charles 74 0 1 0 0 0 0 -1.0
16 Swain, Brett 46 0 1 0 0 0 0 -1.0


TIGHT ENDS Snaps Pass+ Pass- Run+ Run- PEN Other +/-
81 Quarless, Andrew 84 2 0 4 2 0 0 5.0
88 Finley, Jermichael 74 3 1 2 1 0 0 2.0
83 Crabtree, Tom 64 0 1 2 1 0 0 0.0
86 Lee, Donald 28 0 0 1 1 0 0 0.0
41 Havner, Spencer 47 0 2 0 0 1 0 -3.0


OFF. LINE Snaps Pass+ Pass- Run+ Run- PEN Other +/-
73 Colledge, Daryn 84 2 4 7 2 1 0 3.0
62 Dietrich-Smith, E. 119 0 2 7 3 0 0 2.0
70 Lang, T.J. 123 3 2 6 6 0 0 0.0
71 Sitton, Josh 80 1 0 2 3 0 0 0.0
72 Spitz, Jason 48 1 0 1 1 1 0 0.0
75 Bulaga, Bryan 86 2 6 2 0 0 0 -1.0
76 Clifton, Chad 79 3 4 0 2 0 0 -1.5
69 Campbell, Chris 16 0 0 0 1 1 0 -2.0
65 Tauscher, Mark 74 1 4 2 2 0 0 -2.0
78 Barbre, Allen 77 1 1 3 4 1 0 -2.5
67 McDonald, Nick 76 0 1 2 4 0 0 -2.5
63 Wells, Scott 79 1 1 0 3 0 0 -2.5
74 Newhouse, Marshall 90 0 3 0 2 0 0 -4.5
68 Giacomini, Breno 83 1 6 3 4 0 0 -7.5


HALFBACKS Snaps Pass+ Pass- Run+ Run- PEN Other +/-
32 Jackson, Brandon 69 2 1 4 1 0 0 4.5
28 Lumpkin, Kregg 53 2 1 2 1 0 0 2.0
40 Porter, Quinn 36 0 0 1 0 0 -2 -1.0
25 Grant, Ryan 35 0 0 0 0 0 0 -2.5


FULLBACKS Snaps Pass+ Pass- Run+ Run- PEN Other +/-
45 Johnson, Quinn 55 2 1 6 4 0 0 3.0
30 Kuhn, John 62 0 2 5 1 0 0 2.0
35 Hall, Korey 32 0 0 1 0 0 0 1.5


QUARTERBACKS Snaps Pass+ Pass- Run+ Run- PEN Other +/-
12 Rodgers, Aaron 82 13 3 1 0 0 0 12.5
10 Flynn, Matt 99 6 6 1 0 0 0 1.0
7 Harrell, Graham 42 2 4 0 0 0 0 -1.5

DEFENSIVE LINE Snaps Pass+ Pass- Run+ Run- PEN Other +/-
96 Neal, Mike 73 6 0 1 0 0 0 7.0
91 Harrell, Justin 50 4 2 3 1 0 0 5.0
79 Pickett, Ryan 49 1 0 4 0 0 0 5.0
90 Raji, B.J. 74 4 0 1 0 0 0 3.0
94 Wynn, Jarius 36 3 0 0 0 0 0 3.0
98 Wilson, C.J. 35 1 0 1 1 0 0 1.5
77 Jenkins, Cullen 40 0 0 1 0 0 0 1.0
93 Toribio, Anthony 25 0 0 1 0 0 0 1.0
95 Talley, Ronald 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0

LINEBACKERS Snaps Pass+ Pass- Run+ Run- PEN Other +/-
57 Obiozor, Cyril 56 4 0 3 0 0 0 7.0
54 Chillar, Brandon 103 2 2 2 0 0 0 2.0
51 Poppinga, Brady 87 3 1 2 2 0 0 2.0
41 Havner, Spencer 29 1 0 0 0 0 0 1.5
59 Jones, Brad 28 0 0 2 0 0 0 1.5
47 Zombo, Frank 126 4 1 1 3 0 0 1.5
56 Barnett, Nick 55 2 1 0 0 1 0 0.5
49 Francois, Robert 109 2 1 0 1 0 0 0.5
53 Simpkins, Maurice 12 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.5
55 Bishop, Desmond 55 0 0 2 2 0 -1 -1.0
50 Hawk, A.J. 46 1 3 1 1 0 0 -2.5

CORNERBACKS Snaps Pass+ Pass- Run+ Run- PEN Other +/-
33 Underwood, Brandon 85 2 2 1 0 0 0 1.5
43 Clark, D.J. 41 1 0 0 0 0 0 1.0
37 Shields, Sam 89 4 2 0 1 0 -3 1.0
21 Woodson, Charles 48 1 0 0 0 0 0 1.0
22 Lee, Pat 75 1 2 0 0 0 1 -1.5
24 Bush, Jarrett 66 1 5 0 0 2 0 -5.5
38 Williams, Tramon 80 0 5 1 0 1 0 -5.5

SAFETIES Snaps Pass+ Pass- Run+ Run- PEN Other +/-
34 Levine, Anthony 43 3 0 0 0 0 0 3.0
46 Peprah, Charlie 55 1 2 1 0 0 1 1.0
27 Blackmon, Will 31 0 1 1 0 0 0 0.5
36 Collins, Nick 75 4 4 0 2 0 0 -1.0
42 Burnett, Morgan 102 3 3 1 3 0 0 -1.5
29 Martin, Derrick 60 1 1 0 0 1 1 -1.5

[Smidgeon]

So far, does just Havner being cut count as a WTF? Any keeps so far that qualify?

[Pugger]

So far, does just Havner being cut count as a WTF? Any keeps so far that qualify?

There is always one every year...but we aren't done yet.

[retailguy]

So far, does just Havner being cut count as a WTF? Any keeps so far that qualify?

There is always one every year...but we aren't done yet.

We may grab a depth guy off waivers and cut someone, but Havner is going to be the biggest surprise.