Packers off to their 2nd best rushing performance under MM.

[Patler]

Through the first four games, the Packers have their second best start to a season for their running game, and aren't far behind last year. Through four games:

2006 - 325 yards
2007 - 292 yards
2008 - 374 yards
2009 - 399 yards
2010 - 378 yards

We have the same discussion year after year. The running game is quite bad through the first 4 or 5 games, starts to find itself through the next 4 or 5, then does OK at the end of the season.

[mmmdk]

Through the first four games, the Packers have their second best start to a season for their running game, and aren't far behind last year. Through four games:

2006 - 325 yards
2007 - 292 yards
2008 - 374 yards
2009 - 399 yards
2010 - 378 yards

We have the same discussion year after year. The running game is quite bad through the first 4 or 5 games, starts to find itself through the next 4 or 5, then does OK at the end of the season.

I think you're right and then not entirely; Packer run plays are more obvious than ever & the QB run option is the savior. Still, November & December are often better run-wise for Packers. Weather?

[Patler]

I think you're right and then not entirely; Packer run plays are more obvious than ever & the QB run option is the savior. Still, November & December are often better run-wise for Packers. Weather?

Rodgers had more rushing yards in the first four games of 2008 and 2009 than he does this year.
2008 - 78
2009 - 104
2010 - 69

"Non Rodgers" rushing yards:
2008 - 296
2009 - 295
2010 - 309

I guess we could argue that the running game is off to its best start, as bad as that is!

[Scott Campbell]

Good stuff Patler. You earned your game check this week.

[pack4to84]

:shock: Guess I just got PALTERIZED!

[Freak Out]

What.....no down and distance numbers? :)

[cheesner]

:shock: Guess I just got PATLER!
Thats "PALTERIZED". Saying you got Palter may mean different things to different people.



(did you just get 'cheesed'?) :D

[mmmdk]

I think you're right and then not entirely; Packer run plays are more obvious than ever & the QB run option is the savior. Still, November & December are often better run-wise for Packers. Weather?

Rodgers had more rushing yards in the first four games of 2008 and 2009 than he does this year.
2008 - 78
2009 - 104
2010 - 69

"Non Rodgers" rushing yards:
2008 - 296
2009 - 295
2010 - 309

I guess we could argue that the running game is off to its best start, as bad as that is!

I think all NFL teams have tape with AR running...that option is what even suggests GB has a running game. Stats are stats & this is a great example that stats do not tell the whole story. Packers can't run the ball when the opponents know Packers are running. Got a stat for that? You're Patler, so you probably do :doh: :lol:

[channtheman]

:shock: Guess I just got PATLER!
Thats "PALTERIZED". Saying you got Palter may mean different things to different people.



(did you just get 'cheesed'?) :D

His name is Patler. I wonder do you spell Favre, Far-ve? (Edit: the forum seems to be correcting the misspelling of Favre! :lol: )

[denverYooper]

I think you're right and then not entirely; Packer run plays are more obvious than ever & the QB run option is the savior. Still, November & December are often better run-wise for Packers. Weather?

Rodgers had more rushing yards in the first four games of 2008 and 2009 than he does this year.
2008 - 78
2009 - 104
2010 - 69

"Non Rodgers" rushing yards:
2008 - 296
2009 - 295
2010 - 309

I guess we could argue that the running game is off to its best start, as bad as that is!

I think all NFL teams have tape with AR running...that option is what even suggests GB has a running game. Stats are stats & this is a great example that stats do not tell the whole story. Packers can't run the ball when the opponents know Packers are running. Got a stat for that? You're Patler, so you probably do :doh: :lol:

Green Bay Packers at 6:32
1-10-GB 13 (6:32) J.Kuhn up the middle to GB 20 for 7 yards (L.Delmas).
2-3-GB 20 (5:53) J.Kuhn left guard to GB 25 for 5 yards (Z.Follett). R11
1-10-GB 25 (5:09) A.Rodgers pass short right to D.Driver ran ob at GB 37 for 12 yards (C.Brown). P12
1-10-GB 37 (4:34) B.Jackson left tackle to GB 34 for -3 yards (T.McBride, C.Avril).
2-13-GB 34 (3:51) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers right end to 50 for 16 yards (A.Smith). R13
1-10-50 (3:02) J.Kuhn left guard to DET 44 for 6 yards (C.Brown).
2-4-DET 44 (2:19) J.Kuhn left guard to DET 39 for 5 yards (Z.Follett, L.Johnson). R14
Two-Minute Warning
1-10-DET 39 (2:00) A.Rodgers pass short left to D.Lee to DET 24 for 15 yards (Z.Follett). P15
Timeout #2 by DET at 01:52.
1-10-DET 24 (1:52) J.Kuhn right end to DET 22 for 2 yards (L.Delmas, Z.Follett).
2-8-DET 22 (1:07) J.Kuhn right end to DET 21 for 1 yard (N.Suh).
Timeout #3 by DET at 00:55.
3-7-DET 21 (:55) J.Kuhn up the middle to DET 13 for 8 yards (L.Delmas; A.Palmer). R16
1-10-DET 13 (:12) A.Rodgers kneels to DET 14 for -1 yards.

[channtheman]

^ Last year against the 49ers in almost the exact same way (we got a big lead, let them back in while not being able to do anything ourselves) we ran out final 4:30 of the game by running down their throats. This Packer team is very odd.

[MichiganPackerFan]

It seems to me that dump offs to Jackson can also be part of the running game and I like what I've seen there.

[Patler]

I think you're right and then not entirely; Packer run plays are more obvious than ever & the QB run option is the savior. Still, November & December are often better run-wise for Packers. Weather?

Rodgers had more rushing yards in the first four games of 2008 and 2009 than he does this year.
2008 - 78
2009 - 104
2010 - 69

"Non Rodgers" rushing yards:
2008 - 296
2009 - 295
2010 - 309

I guess we could argue that the running game is off to its best start, as bad as that is!

I think all NFL teams have tape with AR running...that option is what even suggests GB has a running game. Stats are stats & this is a great example that stats do not tell the whole story. Packers can't run the ball when the opponents know Packers are running. Got a stat for that? You're Patler, so you probably do :doh: :lol:

I think you are missing my point. I think the stats do tell the story. The running game has been missing every year early in the season. This year is really no different. My "headline" was just to grab attention, while being technically true. This year is second best of five seasons of mediocre to lousy performances early in the season. I wasn't suggesting that this year is good by any means.

The rushing offense has performed very inconsistently early in the season every year under MM. It tends to get better as the season progresses. Not sure if it will this year or not. Starks might have a lot to do with it.

Although, in mud, snow and bad weather, Kuhn might be very effective.

[steve823]

I think you're right and then not entirely; Packer run plays are more obvious than ever & the QB run option is the savior. Still, November & December are often better run-wise for Packers. Weather?

Rodgers had more rushing yards in the first four games of 2008 and 2009 than he does this year.
2008 - 78
2009 - 104
2010 - 69

"Non Rodgers" rushing yards:
2008 - 296
2009 - 295
2010 - 309

I guess we could argue that the running game is off to its best start, as bad as that is!

I think all NFL teams have tape with AR running...that option is what even suggests GB has a running game. Stats are stats & this is a great example that stats do not tell the whole story. Packers can't run the ball when the opponents know Packers are running. Got a stat for that? You're Patler, so you probably do :doh: :lol:

I think you are missing my point. I think the stats do tell the story. The running game has been missing every year early in the season. This year is really no different. My "headline" was just to grab attention, while being technically true. This year is second best of five seasons of mediocre to lousy performances early in the season. I wasn't suggesting that this year is good by any means.

The rushing offense has performed very inconsistently early in the season every year under MM. It tends to get better as the season progresses. Not sure if it will this year or not. Starks might have a lot to do with it.

Although, in mud, snow and bad weather, Kuhn might be very effective.

Why is everyone so high on Starks? The coaches, this forum, etc. I mean I hope he steps in and is the best rb in the game , but lets be realistic how do we even know he'll be decent ?

[Patler]

Why is everyone so high on Starks? The coaches, this forum, etc. I mean I hope he steps in and is the best rb in the game , but lets be realistic how do we even know he'll be decent ?

We don't know that he will be decent, but he appears to be the only option for change from what we have right now. For that reason he might have a lot to do with whether or not the run game improves. If he is good, it will improve. If he isn't good, it may not improve this year.

All we have on Starks is the same hype we had for Bulaga, Burnett, etc. going into TC.

[mmmdk]

Still, November & December are often better run-wise for Packers. Weather?


Although, in mud, snow and bad weather, Kuhn might be very effective

Answer to my weather Q, Patler? :mrgreen:

[Tony Oday]

John Kuhn for president!

[rbaloha1]

Numbers do not tell the whole story.

IMO the running game is below average due to the lack of a homerun threat. Yes, Kuhn did a nice John Riggins impersonation but imo unsustainable. Kuhn will not lead us to the super bowl playing tailback.

TT needs to trade for a big play rb.

[Tony Oday]

Numbers do not tell the whole story.

IMO the running game is below average due to the lack of a homerun threat. Yes, Kuhn did a nice John Riggins impersonation but imo unsustainable. Kuhn will not lead us to the super bowl playing tailback.

TT needs to trade for a big play rb.

SHUT YOUR MOUTH WHEN YOU ARE TALKING TO ME!!!!!!!!! If we had John Riggins we would be knee deep in rings and chopped cars!

[mmmdk]

I think you're right and then not entirely; Packer run plays are more obvious than ever & the QB run option is the savior. Still, November & December are often better run-wise for Packers. Weather?

Rodgers had more rushing yards in the first four games of 2008 and 2009 than he does this year.
2008 - 78
2009 - 104
2010 - 69

"Non Rodgers" rushing yards:
2008 - 296
2009 - 295
2010 - 309

I guess we could argue that the running game is off to its best start, as bad as that is!

I think all NFL teams have tape with AR running...that option is what even suggests GB has a running game. Stats are stats & this is a great example that stats do not tell the whole story. Packers can't run the ball when the opponents know Packers are running. Got a stat for that? You're Patler, so you probably do :doh: :lol:

Green Bay Packers at 6:32
1-10-GB 13 (6:32) J.Kuhn up the middle to GB 20 for 7 yards (L.Delmas).
2-3-GB 20 (5:53) J.Kuhn left guard to GB 25 for 5 yards (Z.Follett). R11
1-10-GB 25 (5:09) A.Rodgers pass short right to D.Driver ran ob at GB 37 for 12 yards (C.Brown). P12
1-10-GB 37 (4:34) B.Jackson left tackle to GB 34 for -3 yards (T.McBride, C.Avril).
2-13-GB 34 (3:51) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers right end to 50 for 16 yards (A.Smith). R13
1-10-50 (3:02) J.Kuhn left guard to DET 44 for 6 yards (C.Brown).
2-4-DET 44 (2:19) J.Kuhn left guard to DET 39 for 5 yards (Z.Follett, L.Johnson). R14
Two-Minute Warning
1-10-DET 39 (2:00) A.Rodgers pass short left to D.Lee to DET 24 for 15 yards (Z.Follett). P15
Timeout #2 by DET at 01:52.
1-10-DET 24 (1:52) J.Kuhn right end to DET 22 for 2 yards (L.Delmas, Z.Follett).
2-8-DET 22 (1:07) J.Kuhn right end to DET 21 for 1 yard (N.Suh).
Timeout #3 by DET at 00:55.
3-7-DET 21 (:55) J.Kuhn up the middle to DET 13 for 8 yards (L.Delmas; A.Palmer). R16
1-10-DET 13 (:12) A.Rodgers kneels to DET 14 for -1 yards.

That drive had a lot of AR & Kuhn; actually the only really positive from the Detroit game. So thanx, this really proves that AR gives juice to Packers run game.

[Scott Campbell]

Numbers do not tell the whole story.


No they don't. They don't adequately explain how thoroughly our running game crushed the life out of the Lions with 6 and a half minutes to play on Sunday.

[mmmdk]

Numbers do not tell the whole story.


No they don't. They don't adequately explain how thoroughly our running game crushed the life out of the Lions with 6 and a half minutes to play on Sunday.

One drive! Why wait though? It's not like Detroit defense were tired at any point in the game. Drive due to: Great call at 2 min warning to go to passing game and that 16 yard scamper, early in drive, by AR on 2nd 13 were paramount. Kuhn did the rest - really well too.

[mission]

Kuhn ran really hard on that last drive but he left a lot of yards on the field during other drives.

I'd love to have a guy like just about everyone has. We can still keep Kuhn :D

[denverYooper]

Numbers do not tell the whole story.


No they don't. They don't adequately explain how thoroughly our running game crushed the life out of the Lions with 6 and a half minutes to play on Sunday.

One drive! Why wait though? It's not like Detroit defense were tired at any point in the game. Drive due to: Great call at 2 min warning to go to passing game and that 16 yard scamper, early in drive, by AR on 2nd 13 were paramount. Kuhn did the rest - really well too.

The great ones get it done when it counts.

[mission]

Numbers do not tell the whole story.


No they don't. They don't adequately explain how thoroughly our running game crushed the life out of the Lions with 6 and a half minutes to play on Sunday.

One drive! Why wait though? It's not like Detroit defense were tired at any point in the game. Drive due to: Great call at 2 min warning to go to passing game and that 16 yard scamper, early in drive, by AR on 2nd 13 were paramount. Kuhn did the rest - really well too.

The great ones get it done when it counts.

So he's the next Jim Taylor now? :P

[mmmdk]

I like Kuhn & Kuhn is certainly a better runner than BJ.
Now, BJ should see some screens chalked up for him as he's a pretty nice weapon as a receiving RB.