Moss to the Vikings?

[sheepshead]

ok, i heard it now ill look it up

[sheepshead]

TomPelissero‎: Multiple reports now emerging that #Vikings are pursuing a trade for Randy Moss. @Jay_Glazer reporting it's "close" but pending new contract

its all over twitter

[mission]

Hopefully they give up a 1st.

[jpompo]

Read a 3rd, why would the pats, a contender, do that?

[imscott72]

I have no idea why the Pats would do this. This is bad news for us though..

[Tony Oday]

find out what it is and increase the offer for him...I mean seriously we dont need him but with him the Vikes are a different team

[mission]

because he's in the last year of his contract and they just scored 41 points without him catching a single pass.

[jpompo]

because he's in the last year of his contract and they just scored 41 points without him catching a single pass.

Their O did look sick last night ...

[rbaloha1]

It happens due to Favre's desire for Moss. This could be a scary combo and a big problem for the Packers.

[Freak Out]

because he's in the last year of his contract and they just scored 41 points without him catching a single pass.

Exactly......this is pure Belichick.

[imscott72]

because he's in the last year of his contract and they just scored 41 points without him catching a single pass.

That was all special teams points. Well a majority of them. You just don't ship off your #1 WR 4 weeks into the season. This is baffling..

[imscott72]

Rumors are Moss demanded a trade already on week 1, so the Vikings could be getting a disgruntled WR who is going to demand a boat load of money. Belicheck is going to rape Chilly and the Vikings.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Hmmmmm Moss, Rice, Harvin, Peterson, and a motivated Favre? How would anyone stop that.

[Brandon494]

I know this would never happen but would you trade Driver to the Pats for Randy Moss? He would fit into the type of player the Patriots look for and Moss would give Rodgers another big target.

[red]

SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT

this is horrible news for us, we should all go to bed praying that this doesn't happen.

sounds like it might be a done deal as long as they can work out a new contract. moss might give a big discount to go to a new team that gives him an extension and pairs him with favre. the queens just had a contract all set to go with vincent jackson that i'm sure wasn't for small money. i have no doubt they'll agree to a deal with moss

[steve823]

Lol. Good, let them give up more draft picks for a player past his prime. He should help the already struggling Vikes implode even more.

Oh and this is a LOT better then them getting Vincent Jackson, who has a long future.

[mission]

because he's in the last year of his contract and they just scored 41 points without him catching a single pass.

That was all special teams points. Well a majority of them. You just don't ship off your #1 WR 4 weeks into the season. This is baffling..

Freak has it right. It's just Belicheck. Moss wants out, they already know they aren't going to pay him, and they're a team willing to start a 175 lb white midget from somewhere St. It adds up.

The Pats have shown a willingness to stockpile picks off other team's desperation and be satisfied with the overall value of the deal. There are no sacred cows except Tom Brady. Did you see BB going nuts on the sideline even before they had a big lead? Talking to guys on the bench, walking through, firing them up. I don't know -- I felt like the 16 year old who didn't get a car for her birthday. I want to see some of that. Coaching.

And I even hate the Pats. :(

[pbmax]

Bring on the Moss-pocalypse.

It will give the Defense an excuse to start only one safety.

[imscott72]

I know this would never happen but would you trade Driver to the Pats for Randy Moss? He would fit into the type of player the Patriots look for and Moss would give Rodgers another big target.

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL no....

[Tony Oday]

With Moss in the lineup the Vikes win the North...hands down unless Harris comes back and does NOT miss a step...do you really see this happening?

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

With Moss in the lineup the Vikes win the North...hands down unless Harris comes back and does NOT miss a step...do you really see this happening?

Even if Harris comes back and plays well it would still be very very very hard to stop Moss, Rice, Harvin, Peterson, and Favre. They have other weapons as well.

[Bretsky]

With Moss in the lineup the Vikes win the North...hands down unless Harris comes back and does NOT miss a step...do you really see this happening?


I would not crown their @sses yet......lol....Sydney Rice still might not make it back and if he doesn't that would really hurt them. Things are just not clicking for the Vikes this year and it would not surprise me if the breaks don't fall their way this year

[channtheman]

With Moss in the lineup the Vikes win the North...hands down unless Harris comes back and does NOT miss a step...do you really see this happening?


I would not crown their @sses yet......lol....Sydney Rice still might not make it back and if he doesn't that would really hurt them. Things are just not clicking for the Vikes this year and it would not surprise me if the breaks don't fall their way this year

"You wanna crown em, then crown their ass!" - Dennis Green

Who are we to argue with the legend?

[Tony Oday]

That is true but they wont NEED Rice when they have Moss he would just be a bonus. Moss deep, Shianco middle of the field, Harvin like a pinball and AP running like a truck with a VERY good defense...crown em.

[PackerTimer]

With Moss in the lineup the Vikes win the North...hands down unless Harris comes back and does NOT miss a step...do you really see this happening?


I would not crown their @sses yet......lol....Sydney Rice still might not make it back and if he doesn't that would really hurt them. Things are just not clicking for the Vikes this year and it would not surprise me if the breaks don't fall their way this year

I was listening to the radio in the cities today and it sounds like there might be some concern as to when and if Rice will every be ready this year. He's still on crutches which means he isn't really even close to coming back yet.

[PackerTimer]

That is true but they wont NEED Rice when they have Moss he would just be a bonus. Moss deep, Shianco middle of the field, Harvin like a pinball and AP running like a truck with a VERY good defense...crown em.

Favre will have to be much better that he has been in the first three games. Their O-line hasn't been anything special either.

I'm not saying that adding Moss would not be a huge get for the Vikings and it would make me extremely nervous but like most of the teams in the NFL this year the Vikings have more than one concern. Adding Moss doesn't guarantee anything.

[steve823]

Are you serious? Crown them with Moss back? That's ridiculous. You obviously haven't seen any Viking games recently.

[Scott Campbell]

I have no idea why the Pats would do this. This is bad news for us though..

It'd be worse news if he went to the Bears.

[sheepshead]

With Moss in the lineup the Vikes win the North...hands down unless Harris comes back and does NOT miss a step...do you really see this happening?


I would not crown their @sses yet......lol....Sydney Rice still might not make it back and if he doesn't that would really hurt them. Things are just not clicking for the Vikes this year and it would not surprise me if the breaks don't fall their way this year

Im in this camp. We have to step it up anyway. This is the vikings last shot for a long time. They know it. I dont think, if we play up to our level, they will climb out of the hole they are in.

[Scott Campbell]

With Moss in the lineup the Vikes win the North...hands down unless Harris comes back and does NOT miss a step...do you really see this happening?


There's a really good chance that the Vikes are 2 and a half games behind both the Packers and the Bears by Sunday. They might be able to overtake one team from that far behind. But no way on two.

[mmmdk]

Packers secondary isn't scary to BF & Moss. Vikes are 1-2 and not out of NFC North at all...but that MNF game in NY could pin Vikings at 1-3...with or without Moss.

[packerbacker1234]

Moss puts Harvin back in the slot where he belongs, and makes shiancoe get more open opportunities. Rice coming back or not - moss is a great replacement for rice from last season, making their offense at least as good as it was last year. If Rice come sback and is able to be effective this season... watch the hell out.

Not going to crown them, thye have to prove it will work first, but man that offense is scary with Moss in that mix.

And with all the problems were having against bad competition, you have to worry now about minnesota becoming the favorites for the NFC north again.

[packerbacker1234]

Packers secondary isn't scary to BF & Moss. Vikes are 1-2 and not out of NFC North at all...but that MNF game in NY could pin Vikings at 1-3...with or without Moss.

Well, the vikings defense has been nothing short of "stellar" all season. I highly doubt LT is going off against that front 7 - and I have a feeling Sanchez is still not as good as he has looked of late. It's all about if the vikings can find a way to score against arguably the best defense in the NFL. AP is a big factor in that, and if favre can now go deep...

who knows? I think it will be a low scoring affair.

[imscott72]

Vikings beat reporter just tweeted that on a scale of 1-10 with a 10 meaning it's happening, he gave it a 7. :cry:

[cheesner]

Hmmmmm Moss, Rice, Harvin, Peterson, and a motivated Favre? How would anyone stop that.by sackin the shit out of favre.. Wit moss their line still sucks.

The bottom line is the pats brain trust has put together several SB winning teams recently. The vikes are still looking for their first. I don't thing this will work out in favor of the vikes.


As far as trading driver for moss. Wtf!

[gbgary]

sounds like minn is willing to do whatever it takes with the window they've been given.

[imscott72]

sounds like minn is willing to do whatever it takes with the window they've been given.

Sure sounds that way. I even heard a report that the Vikes would do a deal even if they couldn't work out a long term contract with Moss. Now how dumb would that be. They'd cough up at least 3rd or 4th for 13 regular season games with Moss?

[TennesseePackerBacker]

sounds like minn is willing to do whatever it takes with the window they've been given.

Sure sounds that way. I even heard a report that the Vikes would do a deal even if they couldn't work out a long term contract with Moss. Now how dumb would that be. They'd cough up at least 3rd or 4th for 13 regular season games with Moss?

The window is closing for the hapless Vikes. With-in a year it'll be back to Adrian Peterson, a decent defense, and no answer at quarterback. They just aren't built to contend for the long haul like our Packers.

[gbgary]

sounds like minn is willing to do whatever it takes with the window they've been given.

Sure sounds that way. I even heard a report that the Vikes would do a deal even if they couldn't work out a long term contract with Moss. Now how dumb would that be. They'd cough up at least 3rd or 4th for 13 regular season games with Moss?

The window is closing for the hapless Vikes. With-in a year it'll be back to Adrian Peterson, a decent defense, and no answer at quarterback. They just aren't built to contend for the long haul like our Packers.

oh they have plenty of hap and are about to get some more. they're thinking now and that's how contending teams need to think.

[packerbacker1234]

sounds like minn is willing to do whatever it takes with the window they've been given.

Sure sounds that way. I even heard a report that the Vikes would do a deal even if they couldn't work out a long term contract with Moss. Now how dumb would that be. They'd cough up at least 3rd or 4th for 13 regular season games with Moss?

The window is closing for the hapless Vikes. With-in a year it'll be back to Adrian Peterson, a decent defense, and no answer at quarterback. They just aren't built to contend for the long haul like our Packers.

It's no secret - the vikings are all in this year. They know it, the sports world knows it. They purposely didn't draft a QB, and they did everything they could to bring brett back for one more shot. Rice goes down, and things look bad.

They need a new big play WR, and if the pats are willing to deal Moss, who has no been pretety much a reduced role guy in the pats offense, then the vikings are going to do everything they can to get him.

This year is their window. The next few with a healthy AP they will still be a 9-7 10-6 ceiling type team, but this is the last year, assuming Favre stays relatively healthy all year, that the vikings have a real contending shot at their first SB for the forseeable future. They have to go all in right now honestly. A new QB coming to town soon enough means rebuilding through "most" of the rest of AP's career.

[3irty1]

Hopefully this is Herschel Walker 2.0 but I doubt it. Moss has turned to crap before when he's unhappy and a change of scenery to the Queens will probably motivate him. That said it makes me wonder if Sid Rice isn't coming back. Moss is a big deal but IMO Sid Rice is by far the bigger weapon to their offense. They need a move the chains guy not another deep ball threat.

The trade makes sense for both, I bet its real. Really sucks we missed out on the Lynch sweepstakes. :(

[Jimx29]

sounds like minn is willing to do whatever it takes with the window they've been given.To bad TT doesn't know how to get whatever it takes to win.

[sheepshead]

sounds like minn is willing to do whatever it takes with the window they've been given.To bad TT doesn't know how to get whatever it takes to win.

whatever losses we have this year it's NOT going to be the fault of the general manager..come on

[mmmdk]

It's a risky quick fix by Vikings but only on paper; this could work wonders for our NFC North rival and especially All Day. But here comes a cruel 4 game stretch for Vikes:
at NY Jets, Dallas, at Green Bay, at New England plus rest of schedule doesn't give many breaks. Much like the Packer schedule.

No doubt the BF [short training camp] friendly Bye Week helps and the fact that Vikings defense hasn't slipped. It's now or never for Vikings - in the nick of time or too late?

[mmmdk]

Moss to Vikings will go down today.

[sheepshead]

Bert has another target

[MichiganPackerFan]

It's official. That's cool: my heart broke through two losses last year and I want to beat them at their best.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Hopefully this is Herschel Walker 2.0 but I doubt it. Moss has turned to crap before when he's unhappy and a change of scenery to the Queens will probably motivate him. That said it makes me wonder if Sid Rice isn't coming back. Moss is a big deal but IMO Sid Rice is by far the bigger weapon to their offense. They need a move the chains guy not another deep ball threat.

The Vikes don't have a deep threat. Berrian isn't the deep threat he's made out to be, plus he can't adjust to passes very well at all. Harvin isn't it either. Moss is the deep threat they need given Rice's situation is all over the place. One report says he'll be back in week 9, another says he might be out longer than that if not all season.

This gives the Vikes the luxury of not having to bring Rice back too soon so when he does come back he can be eased into things.

This just makes life a whole lot more interesting doesn't it?

[mraynrand]

I know I'm excessively celebrating

http://www.collegecharlie.com/p1_moss_moon_all.jpeg

[ThunderDan]

I think this hurts the Vikings long-term. They are getting old and need replacements at key positions. Number 1 being what do they do at QB when BF retires.

Now they are trading away draft picks for a 13 game rental. I heard on NFL radio this morning that the Vikings were not going to extend Moss. If they did Greenway, Lieber et al who were told there would be no extensions or raises would be lied to for a 2nd time this year (BF and Moss).

[red]

yuck

this isn't good

[mraynrand]

I think this hurts the Vikings long-term. They are getting old and need replacements at key positions. Number 1 being what do they do at QB when BF retires.

Now they are trading away draft picks for a 13 game rental. I heard on NFL radio this morning that the Vikings were not going to extend Moss. If they did Greenway, Lieber et al who were told there would be no extensions or raises would be lied to for a 2nd time this year (BF and Moss).

I don't think they care. They want to win it all this year. They can worry about the long term when it becomes reality. Teams wax and wane, but he shine never comes off a Lombardi trophy.

[ThunderDan]

I think this hurts the Vikings long-term. They are getting old and need replacements at key positions. Number 1 being what do they do at QB when BF retires.

Now they are trading away draft picks for a 13 game rental. I heard on NFL radio this morning that the Vikings were not going to extend Moss. If they did Greenway, Lieber et al who were told there would be no extensions or raises would be lied to for a 2nd time this year (BF and Moss).

I don't think they care. They want to win it all this year. They can worry about the long term when it becomes reality. Teams wax and wane, but he shine never comes off a Lombardi trophy.

I don't think they do either.

But they will care when they become the next Detroit Lions with Barry Sanders. How many 5-11 to 9-7 seasons can you take in a row?

[Cheesehead Craig]

I think this hurts the Vikings long-term. They are getting old and need replacements at key positions. Number 1 being what do they do at QB when BF retires.

Now they are trading away draft picks for a 13 game rental. I heard on NFL radio this morning that the Vikings were not going to extend Moss. If they did Greenway, Lieber et al who were told there would be no extensions or raises would be lied to for a 2nd time this year (BF and Moss).

I don't think they care. They want to win it all this year. They can worry about the long term when it becomes reality. Teams wax and wane, but he shine never comes off a Lombardi trophy.
Bingo. If they win the SB, nobody will care for years what they do.

They know this is it for them, as they just went all-in with this move.

[Willard]

I think with a little nudge we can initiate a Vikings team implosion. Let's rent them a party boat and some hookers to celebrate the return of Moss. Care to donate?

[3irty1]

I think we're mostly kidding ourselves that its not going to help them. Their window is/was about to close anyways, even if it were a 1st or 2nd round pick it might be worth it for them. This move should put them right back in the mix. They haven't even played us or the Bears yet. I'm thinking this move will right the ship for them this year. Moss still has plenty left in the tank, he's just a weird guy who just sucks when he's unhappy about something off the field. I'm sure he'll be right back to his dominant old self. Why couldn't we have just played them already while they were in shambles?

[ThunderDan]

Bingo. If they win the SB, nobody will care for years what they do.
They know this is it for them, as they just went all-in with this move.

I don't know about this. It's great that the Packers won Super Bowl 1 and 2 but damn there were a lot of horrible teams in between until Wolfe and MH came to town.

A good season was defined by beating the Bears. That was it.

[bobblehead]

I have no idea why the Pats would do this. This is bad news for us though..

Moss was being moss before the season. He was whining about his contract not being extended and now he is mailing the season in. He hasn't been hustling, or working hard in practice. He is basically becoming the cancer we all knew he was.

BB isn't going to let that spread to the rest of the team. Best to move him now for whatever you can get.

[packerbacker1234]

Bingo. If they win the SB, nobody will care for years what they do.
They know this is it for them, as they just went all-in with this move.

I don't know about this. It's great that the Packers won Super Bowl 1 and 2 but damn there were a lot of horrible teams in between until Wolfe and MH came to town.

A good season was defined by beating the Bears. That was it.

Obviously people are going to eventually care about "winning another one", but not within the current era of the vikings. They have never even won one - so if this move helps put them over the top to win their first, their is no complaining. This sort of trade (dumping a third round pick for a HoF WR with some left in the tank and extra motivation) doesn't wreck them for decades. They didn't give up any picks in the first 2 rounds, and missing a 3rd round pick isn't a franchise killer.

It was a move the vikings had to make. They need a deep play threat. Now they have it. No need to rush Rice back too soon, and if Rice is good to go like, even the last 4 games of the season, the vikings will be shining like rock stars heading into the playoffs.

Vikings are all in, they knew it going into this season with the persuit of Brett. The players I think feel it too - when allen, hutch, and longwell go to favre's house and ask him to give it one more try for the players on the team, it's clear the players themselves feel that this is it - this is their best shot to win a SB period.

I do not blame the vikings in the least bit, and giving up a 3rd rounder is NOT a long term franchsie killer. What is a long term killer is keeping childress as the head coach.

[mraynrand]

I think this hurts the Vikings long-term. They are getting old and need replacements at key positions. Number 1 being what do they do at QB when BF retires.

Now they are trading away draft picks for a 13 game rental. I heard on NFL radio this morning that the Vikings were not going to extend Moss. If they did Greenway, Lieber et al who were told there would be no extensions or raises would be lied to for a 2nd time this year (BF and Moss).

I don't think they care. They want to win it all this year. They can worry about the long term when it becomes reality. Teams wax and wane, but he shine never comes off a Lombardi trophy.

I don't think they do either.

But they will care when they become the next Detroit Lions with Barry Sanders. How many 5-11 to 9-7 seasons can you take in a row?

Ask Steve Young if he would trade his Superbowl trophy and MVP for some better records for the Niners over the past 15 years. Sure, it was a different era then, but the Niners went all in that year, signing up 7 new starters including Deion for just one year. Ask any SF fan if they are willing to give up that Superbowl win for a few more wins over the next decade...

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Bingo. If they win the SB, nobody will care for years what they do.
They know this is it for them, as they just went all-in with this move.

I don't know about this. It's great that the Packers won Super Bowl 1 and 2 but damn there were a lot of horrible teams in between until Wolfe and MH came to town.

A good season was defined by beating the Bears. That was it.

Obviously people are going to eventually care about "winning another one", but not within the current era of the vikings. They have never even won one - so if this move helps put them over the top to win their first, their is no complaining. This sort of trade (dumping a third round pick for a HoF WR with some left in the tank and extra motivation) doesn't wreck them for decades. They didn't give up any picks in the first 2 rounds, and missing a 3rd round pick isn't a franchise killer.

It was a move the vikings had to make. They need a deep play threat. Now they have it. No need to rush Rice back too soon, and if Rice is good to go like, even the last 4 games of the season, the vikings will be shining like rock stars heading into the playoffs.

Vikings are all in, they knew it going into this season with the persuit of Brett. The players I think feel it too - when allen, hutch, and longwell go to favre's house and ask him to give it one more try for the players on the team, it's clear the players themselves feel that this is it - this is their best shot to win a SB period.

I do not blame the vikings in the least bit, and giving up a 3rd rounder is NOT a long term franchsie killer. What is a long term killer is keeping childress as the head coach.

Funny thing though is that this is not a one year thing. You mean to tell me that an offense with Moss, Rice, Harvin, Peterson, and Shiancoe will not be GREAT even without Favre? This move will make them a contender for a couple more years not just this year. And if people haven't noticed Favre doesn't exactly keep his word. He said he would retireafter this year before the Vikings went and got Moss. If they miss the superbowl, but are very close again, I think Favre comes back yet again and continues this nightmare.

[Badgerinmaine]

It's official: Randy Moss is going to the Vikings in exchange for a third-round pick in the 2011 draft:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/06/sportsline/main6931953.shtml

How big is the Vikings' locker room at the HHH Metrodome? They may have to expand it to accomodate Moss and Favre's egos. :P

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

It's official: Randy Moss is going to the Vikings in exchange for a third-round pick in the 2011 draft:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/06/sportsline/main6931953.shtml

How big is the Vikings' locker room at the HHH Metrodome? They may have to expand it to accomodate Moss and Favre's egos. :P

Favre and Moss love each other and are good friends. They WANT to play to together. They are going to destory the league once Rice comes back.

[Badgerinmaine]

At one time, Moss was excited to be playing with Tom Brady, too.

[imscott72]

This is unfortunate news, but doesn't make them unbeatable. They still have OL issues and a hard pass rush is going to be even more important now. If gramps doesn't have time to get Moss the ball then it won't matter. If we give him 6 or 7 seconds like last year, then he'll torch us again.

[packerbacker1234]

At one time, Moss was excited to be playing with Tom Brady, too.

And he has a record setting year. 98 catches, 23tds. He only needs to be excited to play with Favre for one season (this one) for us to be worried. Favre is either done this year, or due to this trade, he is willing for one more shot again next year.

Bottom line is their window is now. They don't need moss to happy long term, they need moss to be happy right now, and from all indications, he is happy right now, and the dream matchup that they have both talked about in the past (favre and moss together) has finally happened. Moss is playing for a contract - not just from the vikings, but to increase his FA value.

This is a SCARY thing to happen within the NFC North. If that OL clicks as the season wears on (sort of like how ours does every year) - the vikings will be scary.

Moss is going to want 10 mil a year, and I am not sure the vikings are going to give that when they feel Rice is a legit #1.

This is a move to win this year. Anything, a deal, or whatever, is fluff.

[Badgerinmaine]

Moss is going to want 10 mil a year, and I am not sure the vikings are going to give that when they feel Rice is a legit #1.


The stories I'd seen said he wanted $9 million from the Pats, so maybe he'll give someone a discount. :-)

[Cheesehead Craig]

Moss is going to want 10 mil a year, and I am not sure the vikings are going to give that when they feel Rice is a legit #1.


The stories I'd seen said he wanted $9 million from the Pats, so maybe he'll give someone a discount. :-)
There's not going to be a new deal done this year. The Vikes have already said they are not extending anyone's contract and they have several defensive starters in the last year of their deals.

[mission]

It's official: Randy Moss is going to the Vikings in exchange for a third-round pick in the 2011 draft:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/06/sportsline/main6931953.shtml

How big is the Vikings' locker room at the HHH Metrodome? They may have to expand it to accomodate Moss and Favre's egos. :P

Favre and Moss love each other and are good friends. They WANT to play to together. They are going to destory the league once Rice comes back.

Could you be any more over the top?

LOVE each other
GOOD friends
DESTROY the league

[ThunderDan]

This is just general thoughts to no one specifically.

What's going to happen if Favre gets knocked out and TJack is the QB? You think Moss will be happy about that? Is Moss really going to be happy without a contract extension? If Favre keeps struglling with a bad ankle and the Vikings go heavy to the run with AP is Randy going to be happy not being the focal point of the O? When Rice comes back is Moss going to be happy sharing balls? Does having Moss on the team hurt the development of Rice and Harvin? What if MN doesn't make the Super Bowl (You have Favre and Moss added to team and can't get it done)?

I think Minnesota upgraded its offense but are the question marks worth the reward?

[denverYooper]

It's official: Randy Moss is going to the Vikings in exchange for a third-round pick in the 2011 draft:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/06/sportsline/main6931953.shtml

How big is the Vikings' locker room at the HHH Metrodome? They may have to expand it to accomodate Moss and Favre's egos. :P

Favre and Moss love each other and are good friends. They WANT to play to together. They are going to destory the league once Rice comes back.

They're going to remove every other team's narrative?

I kid. But I think there's a good chance that this move means Rice is possibly farther away from returning than they'd hoped.

[Rastak]

This is just general thoughts to no one specifically.

What's going to happen if Favre gets knocked out and TJack is the QB? You think Moss will be happy about that? Is Moss really going to be happy without a contract extension? If Favre keeps struglling with a bad ankle and the Vikings go heavy to the run with AP is Randy going to be happy not being the focal point of the O? When Rice comes back is Moss going to be happy sharing balls? Does having Moss on the team hurt the development of Rice and Harvin? What if MN doesn't make the Super Bowl (You have Favre and Moss added to team and can't get it done)?

I think Minnesota upgraded its offense but are the question marks worth the reward?

What's going to happen if Favre gets knocked out and TJack is the QB?

Well, I am guessing they'll be damn glad they have someone that can go up and get the ball since T-Jack isn't very accurate.


Is Moss really going to be happy without a contract extension?

Probably not but even he knows you hustle during a contract year. Dogging it will not get you a deal in free agency next year. PFT said he demanded a trade after week one and he got it. He'll be a free agent next year so my guess is he's be motivated and work hard like he did when he got to NE.


If Favre keeps struglling with a bad ankle and the Vikings go heavy to the run with AP is Randy going to be happy not being the focal point of the O?

Hard to say. Like I said above, contract year. Being a crybaby isn't your best move with free agency around the corner.

When Rice comes back is Moss going to be happy sharing balls?

I'm guessing Rice is out till about week 12. Just my gut feeling.

Does having Moss on the team hurt the development of Rice and Harvin?


Not buying that one at all. More weapons opens things up for everybody.

What if MN doesn't make the Super Bowl (You have Favre and Moss added to team and can't get it done)?


Then Moss leaves, Favres retire and the Vikings get a 3rd or 4th compensatory pick for Moss.


Seems like a win-win to me. Even Viking hater Adam Schein is saying this is an outstanding move for Minnesota and a head scratcher for New England.

[red]

you know this wouldn't even be an issue if TT would have just given up a 4th or whatever it was a few years back to get moss in the first place

now that moves will once again haunt us

[denverYooper]

This is just general thoughts to no one specifically.

What's going to happen if Favre gets knocked out and TJack is the QB? You think Moss will be happy about that? Is Moss really going to be happy without a contract extension? If Favre keeps struglling with a bad ankle and the Vikings go heavy to the run with AP is Randy going to be happy not being the focal point of the O? When Rice comes back is Moss going to be happy sharing balls? Does having Moss on the team hurt the development of Rice and Harvin? What if MN doesn't make the Super Bowl (You have Favre and Moss added to team and can't get it done)?

I think Minnesota upgraded its offense but are the question marks worth the reward?

Agree that the move gives their offense more potential, even though I don't think it will be anywhere close to last year's juggernaut.

Here're the questions I have:

Can Randy Moss play RT over Peppers?

Will Moss play hard if the Vikings go 1-6/2-5? Their next 4 games are not easy ones and you've got to believe the Jets are going to bring it next Monday. After that, they've got Brett's favorite Cowboys, the Packers, and the Pats. After that the load lightens considerably but it sure looks rough for the next month.

How many times will Tramon pick off Favre on throws forced to Moss?

[get louder at lambeau]

He'll be a free agent next year so my guess is he's be motivated and work hard like he did when he got to NE.

He was already in a contract year, and he pitched a huge fit. Nothing has changed about his contract situation, so I'm not as sure as you are that his attitude will change. Maybe, maybe not.

[red]

When Rice comes back is Moss going to be happy sharing balls?

I'm guessing Rice is out till about week 12. Just my gut feeling.



Seems like a win-win to me. Even Viking hater Adam Schein is saying this is an outstanding move for Minnesota and a head scratcher for New England.

wes welker had like 785 receptions last year to lead the league. i didn't hear moss bitch about that

i don't see how this is anything but an outstanding move by minnesota. they were already all in, we all knew that. now they just sent a 4th round pick(no big deal imo) for one of, if not THE best wr in the nfl.

we need to hope for a win this week and for the jets to beat minnie before they hit their groove. this will give us a bit of a buffer for when we head into the brutal part of our schedule (which is like the whole second half)

[Rastak]

He'll be a free agent next year so my guess is he's be motivated and work hard like he did when he got to NE.

He was already in a contract year, and he pitched a huge fit. Nothing has changed about his contract situation, so I'm not as sure as you are that his attitude will change. Maybe, maybe not.


Nobody knows for sure what will happen but he pitched a fit and got his way. Pitching another one doesn't make much sense but who knows.

[Patler]

How long before Favre and Moss get on the same page? Other than Shiancoe, Favre hasn't been clicking with his offense from last year, and now they bring in a new element. I suspect it will be a few weeks before Moss can make a consistent impact, although just having him in the game and running deep might help them.

This isn't the first time NE let go of a player, and everyone wondered why. Somehow it never seems to hurt them.

[denverYooper]

How long before Favre and Moss get on the same page? Other than Shiancoe, Favre hasn't been clicking with his offense from last year, and now they bring in a new element. I suspect it will be a few weeks before Moss can make a consistent impact, although just having him in the game and running deep might help them.

This isn't the first time NE let go of a player, and everyone wondered why. Somehow it never seems to hurt them.

Agree. They seem to be very good at knowing when to let a player go.

[Rastak]

How long before Favre and Moss get on the same page? Other than Shiancoe, Favre hasn't been clicking with his offense from last year, and now they bring in a new element. I suspect it will be a few weeks before Moss can make a consistent impact, although just having him in the game and running deep might help them.

This isn't the first time NE let go of a player, and everyone wondered why. Somehow it never seems to hurt them.

It probably would take 2-3 weeks. Moss does have the advantage of being able to go up and get balls so it's possible to chuck it up without having that chemistry.

As for NE, yea what's up with that? They are good at trading some of their better players and not sinking. I think they missed Seymour though.

[red]

How long before Favre and Moss get on the same page? Other than Shiancoe, Favre hasn't been clicking with his offense from last year, and now they bring in a new element. I suspect it will be a few weeks before Moss can make a consistent impact, although just having him in the game and running deep might help them.

This isn't the first time NE let go of a player, and everyone wondered why. Somehow it never seems to hurt them.

do they even need to be on the same page? favre just has to launch the ball and let randy go get it.

remember, moss made cassel look the a hall of famer the year brady went down

[Patler]

i don't see how this is anything but an outstanding move by minnesota. they were already all in, we all knew that. now they just sent a 4th round pick(no big deal imo) for one of, if not THE best wr in the nfl.

Not that it matters a lot, but I think it is a 3rd, not a 4th round pick.

Moss is still a good receiver and should fill a need for the Vikings; but I don't consider him the best by any means.

Is Childress coach enough to deal with Moss? Will the "Randy Ratio" return? Has Moss matured? This could be a very good thing for the Vikings, but it also might not be all roses.

[Patler]

It probably would take 2-3 weeks. Moss does have the advantage of being able to go up and get balls so it's possible to chuck it up without having that chemistry.

As for NE, yea what's up with that? They are good at trading some of their better players and not sinking. I think they missed Seymour though.

I'm not dismissing his abilities at all, but I haven't seen Moss much recently. I wonder if he is as good at getting the contested balls as he once was. He has had a long career.

Having watched Favre all those years, I'm not sure that I would want to encourage him to just chuck up long balls for Moss to go after. Favre will love to do it, but it is far from the best part of his game. The Vikings could be in store for a bunch of exciting catches by Moss and as many "What the hell??" interceptions by Favre. As a Packer fan, the more he does that and the less he gives the ball to Peterson, the better I like it.

[gbgary]

How long before Favre and Moss get on the same page? Other than Shiancoe, Favre hasn't been clicking with his offense from last year, and now they bring in a new element. I suspect it will be a few weeks before Moss can make a consistent impact, although just having him in the game and running deep might help them.

This isn't the first time NE let go of a player, and everyone wondered why. Somehow it never seems to hurt them.

immediate and devastating consequences. how long does allyoop take to master? unless they suffer season ending injuries at the top positions we'll need to run the table to stay above them.

[pack4to84]

This is just general thoughts to no one specifically.

What's going to happen if Favre gets knocked out and TJack is the QB? You think Moss will be happy about that? Is Moss really going to be happy without a contract extension? If Favre keeps struglling with a bad ankle and the Vikings go heavy to the run with AP is Randy going to be happy not being the focal point of the O? When Rice comes back is Moss going to be happy sharing balls? Does having Moss on the team hurt the development of Rice and Harvin? What if MN doesn't make the Super Bowl (You have Favre and Moss added to team and can't get it done)?

I think Minnesota upgraded its offense but are the question marks worth the reward?

What's going to happen if Favre gets knocked out and TJack is the QB?

Well, I am guessing they'll be damn glad they have someone that can go up and get the ball since T-Jack isn't very accurate.


Is Moss really going to be happy without a contract extension?

Probably not but even he knows you hustle during a contract year. Dogging it will not get you a deal in free agency next year. PFT said he demanded a trade after week one and he got it. He'll be a free agent next year so my guess is he's be motivated and work hard like he did when he got to NE.


If Favre keeps struglling with a bad ankle and the Vikings go heavy to the run with AP is Randy going to be happy not being the focal point of the O?

Hard to say. Like I said above, contract year. Being a crybaby isn't your best move with free agency around the corner.

When Rice comes back is Moss going to be happy sharing balls?

I'm guessing Rice is out till about week 12. Just my gut feeling.

Does having Moss on the team hurt the development of Rice and Harvin?


Not buying that one at all. More weapons opens things up for everybody.

What if MN doesn't make the Super Bowl (You have Favre and Moss added to team and can't get it done)?


Then Moss leaves, Favres retire and the Vikings get a 3rd or 4th compensatory pick for Moss.


Seems like a win-win to me. Even Viking hater Adam Schein is saying this is an outstanding move for Minnesota and a head scratcher for New England.the highest pick a 10 year vet can get you is a 5th rd compensatory pick.

[Patler]

What if MN doesn't make the Super Bowl (You have Favre and Moss added to team and can't get it done)?

Then Moss leaves, Favres retire and the Vikings get a 3rd or 4th compensatory pick for Moss.
the highest pick a 10 year vet can get you is a 5th rd compensatory pick.

...and it is impossible to predict what they might get, because it also depends on who the Vikings might sign as FAs. They might get nothing at all.

[Scott Campbell]

Double Patlerized!

[superfan]

Couple random thoughts:

1. It's now or never for the Vikes to get their new stadium approved, with the pending expiration of the Metrodome lease. Wilf has shown he will do anything he can to keep the team in the forefront of local media and put the best product possible on the field to help the stadium push.

2. Recalling the article by Brandt a couple weeks ago about how the Favre - Moss deal went down. Anybody else think ol' #4 might have made a request or two to upper management to get Moss? Viking brass seems to be willing to do whatever is necessary to keep their starting QB happy, and are perhaps learning from possible mistakes made by Packer management in a similar situation.

3. The Patriots really look pretty weak on paper now. Brady, Welker coming off a serious injury, some TE potential, and that's about it. No running game to speak of and a porous defense. If they were any team other than the Patriots, they would look like an 8-8 team at best.

[mngolf19]

I think this hurts the Vikings long-term. They are getting old and need replacements at key positions. Number 1 being what do they do at QB when BF retires.

Now they are trading away draft picks for a 13 game rental. I heard on NFL radio this morning that the Vikings were not going to extend Moss. If they did Greenway, Lieber et al who were told there would be no extensions or raises would be lied to for a 2nd time this year (BF and Moss).

I don't think they care. They want to win it all this year. They can worry about the long term when it becomes reality. Teams wax and wane, but he shine never comes off a Lombardi trophy.

I don't think they do either.

But they will care when they become the next Detroit Lions with Barry Sanders. How many 5-11 to 9-7 seasons can you take in a row?

I fail to see how trading a 3rd round pick is going to cause this.

[swede]

Moss was drafted the same year as Vonnie Holiday, wasn't he? Was that '99?

The dude is old. Not as old as Grandpa, but still old.

I think the Vikings are trying to jump through a window that slammed shut last winter.

[mngolf19]

He'll be a free agent next year so my guess is he's be motivated and work hard like he did when he got to NE.

He was already in a contract year, and he pitched a huge fit. Nothing has changed about his contract situation, so I'm not as sure as you are that his attitude will change. Maybe, maybe not.

Perhaps that was his strategy to get traded.

[mngolf19]

Couple random thoughts:

1. It's now or never for the Vikes to get their new stadium approved, with the pending expiration of the Metrodome lease. Wilf has shown he will do anything he can to keep the team in the forefront of local media and put the best product possible on the field to help the stadium push.

2. Recalling the article by Brandt a couple weeks ago about how the Favre - Moss deal went down. Anybody else think ol' #4 might have made a request or two to upper management to get Moss? Viking brass seems to be willing to do whatever is necessary to keep their starting QB happy, and are perhaps learning from possible mistakes made by Packer management in a similar situation.

3. The Patriots really look pretty weak on paper now. Brady, Welker coming off a serious injury, some TE potential, and that's about it. No running game to speak of and a porous defense. If they were any team other than the Patriots, they would look like an 8-8 team at best.

This. And it just made the Vikes game vs. NE in a couple weeks that much easier.

[rbaloha1]

This is going to be a dangerous combination -- two instinctive players combined with a solid running game.

CW needs to shadow Moss with Collins over the top.

[mmmdk]

J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS :mrgreen:

[ThunderDan]

Couple random thoughts:

1. It's now or never for the Vikes to get their new stadium approved, with the pending expiration of the Metrodome lease. Wilf has shown he will do anything he can to keep the team in the forefront of local media and put the best product possible on the field to help the stadium push.

2. Recalling the article by Brandt a couple weeks ago about how the Favre - Moss deal went down. Anybody else think ol' #4 might have made a request or two to upper management to get Moss? Viking brass seems to be willing to do whatever is necessary to keep their starting QB happy, and are perhaps learning from possible mistakes made by Packer management in a similar situation.

3. The Patriots really look pretty weak on paper now. Brady, Welker coming off a serious injury, some TE potential, and that's about it. No running game to speak of and a porous defense. If they were any team other than the Patriots, they would look like an 8-8 team at best.

I was just listening to NFL radio at lunch and a couple of analysts are already saying this will make NE better. Moss has been taking plays off this year and hasn't been active run blocking on plays. They have had to take Moss out in certain situations and opponents knew that a bubble screen was coming. They will lose some explosive plays but it will now stop defenses from being able to key on certain plays when Moss is either in or out of the game.

The other thing that was brought up was that Moss will not learn the West Coast offense and won't care to. He doesn't want to run the 7 yard slants and crossing patterns anymore. They said that Moss really only runs 3 routes anymore and excels at the 9 and the fade to a jump ball.

[denverYooper]

This is going to be a dangerous combination -- two instinctive players combined with a solid running game.

CW needs to shadow Moss with Collins over the top.

I'll bet that Tramon gets that job. And I'm ok with that!

[mraynrand]

How long before Favre and Moss get on the same page? Other than Shiancoe, Favre hasn't been clicking with his offense from last year, and now they bring in a new element. I suspect it will be a few weeks before Moss can make a consistent impact, although just having him in the game and running deep might help them.

This isn't the first time NE let go of a player, and everyone wondered why. Somehow it never seems to hurt them.

It probably would take 2-3 weeks. Moss does have the advantage of being able to go up and get balls so it's possible to chuck it up without having that chemistry.

As for NE, yea what's up with that? They are good at trading some of their better players and not sinking. I think they missed Seymour though.

I agree. The 'Chuck it up for grabs/Moss play requires about 10 seconds of preparation. As far as the chemistry part goes, I'm sure Randy will warm up to ol' Brett the first time Favre pulls Moss' boxers down in the lockerroom, After all, Moss is used to that.

[mraynrand]

J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS :mrgreen:

Boy after the Moss trade, if ol' Brent were still with the Jets, he'd be sitting pretty looking forward to another ring!

[imscott72]

He'll be a free agent next year so my guess is he's be motivated and work hard like he did when he got to NE.

He was already in a contract year, and he pitched a huge fit. Nothing has changed about his contract situation, so I'm not as sure as you are that his attitude will change. Maybe, maybe not.


Nobody knows for sure what will happen but he pitched a fit and got his way. Pitching another one doesn't make much sense but who knows.

I can't imagine him being happy there if the Vikings don't give him a deal. If he gets seriously hurt in any of these games without a new contract he's fucked.

[imscott72]

How long before Favre and Moss get on the same page? Other than Shiancoe, Favre hasn't been clicking with his offense from last year, and now they bring in a new element. I suspect it will be a few weeks before Moss can make a consistent impact, although just having him in the game and running deep might help them.

This isn't the first time NE let go of a player, and everyone wondered why. Somehow it never seems to hurt them.

It probably would take 2-3 weeks. Moss does have the advantage of being able to go up and get balls so it's possible to chuck it up without having that chemistry.

As for NE, yea what's up with that? They are good at trading some of their better players and not sinking. I think they missed Seymour though.

The Pats have a ton of young talent there in guys like Tate and Hernandez. Plus now they have a plethora of draft picks for next year's deep draft class. They're going to be fine.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

It's official: Randy Moss is going to the Vikings in exchange for a third-round pick in the 2011 draft:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/06/sportsline/main6931953.shtml

How big is the Vikings' locker room at the HHH Metrodome? They may have to expand it to accomodate Moss and Favre's egos. :P

Favre and Moss love each other and are good friends. They WANT to play to together. They are going to destory the league once Rice comes back.

Could you be any more over the top?

LOVE each other
GOOD friends
DESTROY the league

lol shut the hell up......Okay they don't love each other, but I don't see what is over the top in saying they are good friends and will destroy the league. I got in this same agreement about Moss three years ago and I still believe Moss is top talent. Moss and Favre will destroy the league and they are good friends.

They probably don’t click right away but as the season goes on they will be very hard to stop. I actually think they will lose to the Jets Monday night.

I would love a be wrong, but once Rice comes back healthy that offense looks scary good.

[Patler]

lol shut the hell up......Okay they don't love each other, but I don't see what is over the top in saying they are good friends and will destroy the league. I got in this same agreement about Moss three years ago and I still believe Moss is top talent. Moss and Favre will destroy the league and they are good friends.

Are you sure? I thought the story back then was that they didn't really even know each other, but had a mutual interest in playing together. I could be "misremembering" that, however.

Couldn't have been too strong on Moss' part, because he nixed the deal when GB insisted on a two year contract and NE was OK with 1 year.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

So many chicken littles reporting that the sky is indeed falling. I don't buy it. Sure, Moss will have a big game or two, but is he really the difference-maker he once was? The Patriots sure don't think so.

Three years ago when he was traded to the Patriots Moss was a different player than he is today. He was coming off a nice vacation in Oakland without having logged any significant minutes in two seasons(?). Moss wasn't the same player last year in New England when he was "trying". It's ridiculous for me to think that a 12 year vet. simply plays when he wants to anymore. How well did that go for T.O.?

Maybe the Vikings win the Superbowl this year and I'm eating crow, but I don't think so. The addition of Moss certainly didn't improve their offensive line situation. One player won't win the big game. The Vikings will have to come together as a team if they ever want to be able to hoist the trophy. I don't see it.

[ThunderDan]

How long before Favre and Moss get on the same page? Other than Shiancoe, Favre hasn't been clicking with his offense from last year, and now they bring in a new element. I suspect it will be a few weeks before Moss can make a consistent impact, although just having him in the game and running deep might help them.

This isn't the first time NE let go of a player, and everyone wondered why. Somehow it never seems to hurt them.

do they even need to be on the same page? favre just has to launch the ball and let randy go get it.

remember, moss made cassel look the a hall of famer the year brady went down

Are you sure of that?

Moss 2007 98R 1,493Y 23TD
2008 69R 1,008Y 11TD

Cassel 2008 63% 3,693Y 21TD 11Int 89.4 Rating
Brady 2007 69% 4,806Y 50TD 8INT 117.2 Rating

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

lol shut the hell up......Okay they don't love each other, but I don't see what is over the top in saying they are good friends and will destroy the league. I got in this same agreement about Moss three years ago and I still believe Moss is top talent. Moss and Favre will destroy the league and they are good friends.

Are you sure? I thought the story back then was that they didn't really even know each other, but had a mutual interest in playing together. I could be "misremembering" that, however.

Couldn't have been too strong on Moss' part, because he nixed the deal when GB insisted on a two year contract and NE was OK with 1 year.


I mean they didn't sign a friends contract or something like that so its not something set in stone. I don't think they have to go get a drink after a game to be considered friends. I think you are way off with them “not really knowing each other in 2007.” But reading articles through the years and watching their interaction after games and how they talk about each other in the media you get the impression that they are friends.

Way Moss refused Green bays offer in 2007 is really another discussion. Favre clams the packers treated him like crap and gave him demands and thats why he didn't come. No one probably will ever really know what went down with 100% certainty. A lot of factors go into trading a player to another team than just simply being friends with the Qb of the other team. If you are claming that a strong friendship would have overcame all other factors like his contract demands for example than I just don’t buy that.

[mission]

Good friends and even 'just' friends hang out with each other, go out and have a beer, their wives go shopping together, they play cards together, whatever...

I'd venture a guess that they've never done anything together and up until yesterday, probably haven't even communicated outside of normal pleasantries.

I mean -- Randy Moss is what he is. Favre is a good ol' boy from Mississippi. Not exactly a lot in common.

Anyway it's not a big deal, just pointing out your girlfriend-like dramatics. :P

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Anyway it's not a big deal, just pointing out your girlfriend-like dramatics. :P

Will take note. I will try to act like more of a man when I post next time. :)

[Patler]

lol shut the hell up......Okay they don't love each other, but I don't see what is over the top in saying they are good friends and will destroy the league. I got in this same agreement about Moss three years ago and I still believe Moss is top talent. Moss and Favre will destroy the league and they are good friends.

Are you sure? I thought the story back then was that they didn't really even know each other, but had a mutual interest in playing together. I could be "misremembering" that, however.

Couldn't have been too strong on Moss' part, because he nixed the deal when GB insisted on a two year contract and NE was OK with 1 year.


I mean they didn't sign a friends contract or something like that so its not something set in stone. I don't think they have to go get a drink after a game to be considered friends. I think you are way off with them “not really knowing each other in 2007.” But reading articles through the years and watching their interaction after games and how they talk about each other in the media you get the impression that they are friends.

Way Moss refused Green bays offer in 2007 is really another discussion. Favre clams the packers treated him like crap and gave him demands and thats why he didn't come. No one probably will ever really know what went down with 100% certainty. A lot of factors go into trading a player to another team than just simply being friends with the Qb of the other team. If you are claming that a strong friendship would have overcame all other factors like his contract demands for example than I just don’t buy that.

I readily acknowledged that I might be remembering the story wrong about Favre and Moss. But, competitors exchange pleasantries after contests all the time, without really knowing each other or being friends. I think of friends as people who have contact away from forced contacts at work, etc. Those I consider acquaintances.

I was going by Brandt's description of what happened in the negotiations and why Moss didn't end up in GB. I doubt that Favre knows the details of the negotiation.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I doubt that Favre knows the details of the negotiation.

Same goes for you and me. That is why I said the Moss trade not going through doesn’t necessarily mean that they are not friends. I guess you are right in that I can't possibility know if they are friends or not b/c we don't know much about their personal lives. Just as you can't really clam they are not friends either.

It doesn't matter anyways b/c it has come to my attention that my original post was more like an over the top girlfriend lol. :)

So now I agree that they don't love each other and they may or may not be friends, but I still think they will destroy the league. :)

[woodbuck27]

That is true but they wont NEED Rice when they have Moss he would just be a bonus. Moss deep, Shianco middle of the field, Harvin like a pinball and AP running like a truck with a VERY good defense...crown em.

Favre will have to be much better that he has been in the first three games. Their O-line hasn't been anything special either.

I'm not saying that adding Moss would not be a huge get for the Vikings and it would make me extremely nervous but like most of the teams in the NFL this year the Vikings have more than one concern. Adding Moss doesn't guarantee anything.

Adding Randy Moss gurantees nothing IMO, but alot!

A BIG STORY deserves a BIG Post ! :lol:

Having # 84 back in a Viking jersey is huge for that team and it's fans.

Gurantees ??

It gurantees that Brett Favre finally gets his desire met. FAVRE hooking up with a tremendously talented WR again! We did not want that. TT didn't want that in the scenario as it now exists. Funny how this story may come back to haunt TT forever?

A Gurantee?

It gurantees that Favre and the Vikings have arguably the best WR in the NFL. PackerTimer ! With the Vikings getting Randy Moss. That will gurantee two results, for sure.

a) A ' smile ' on Brett Favre's mug. :)

b) Then, ' a bigger smile ', on Brett Favre's mug. :D

Randy Moss is ' a lights out ' terrific WR. An extremely talented/gifted WR. If your missing 'that fact', the last three seasons ( anyone ) , your in need of some sort of adjustment. I suggest boxer shorts. If Randy Moss gets on the exact same page as Favre? Then look the hell out. The word that comes to mind is 'explosive'. The words . . . 'explosive combination'.

Brett Favre passing to Randy Moss ! Routes. Slants inside, down the middle and pulling up to come back to the ball and leaping catch's and hooking routes, and down the hash marks and long catch and running routes and deep !!! Touchdown! ...... Alot!

A brand new start for Randy Moss gets a real break on ' the Vikings ' team. A real good change is as good as any wonderful rest.

Brad Childress is no Bill Belichick in terms of ' laying on the wood ' as Belichick can; or sticking it to anyone that steps out of line or gets the least bit disruptive. That result too often in NE was ' in the Bill Belichick doghouse '.

How pleased is one of, ' our an almost ' absentee poster Rastak !? Rastak was in for a visit about ten days ago. Rastak has got to be so very happy to learn of this news?

Why?It's huge news! Impacting news !!

Do any Packerrats, realistically looking at this news, like it? If it doesn't concern you? Weigh in with all the present adversity. How well or high, is your balloon flying today?

This news isn't good for us! I might say that it ... SUCKS !! :idea:

Viking fans love it!

They now forsee some relief. Learning that Randy Moss is returning to ' his NFL roots'. It's unbelievable, as I see it's potential in terms of potential positive impact for that teams results. Especially the way that Brett Favre can utilize a receiver with the talent and pizzazz of Randy Moss. That 'the Vikings' managed to pull this blockbuster move off is very impresive.

I had them, very possibly out of it by November. Now at least they 'likely' manage to hang in there and get to an easier schedule, after surviving these next four weeks. If they come out of that portion of the schedule at 3W-4L? They're still good.

Something else I'm impressed with. Is this team has the power and motivation to 'at least try' to make a real move that's calculated to make a real difference.

Our teams GM, Ted Thompson !

I look for him to make a rather significant move very soon or his ass should be grass. Alot of Packer Nation eyes will be on TT now. The pressure is on Ted! This man is like a glacier. Slow ! Really ... really... slow ! Slow to get ' it ' done. Sometimes I wonder. Does TT really know what 'it' is?

Green Bay Packer fans. All of us ! Should desire a lot more than just making the playoff rounds anf bowing out. WE need to want or desire 'a Super Bowl Championship '. The same way Brett Favre always has. The way 'the Vikings Owner' and AP and Randy Moss and the rest of the Vikings will demonstrate that they do want and will pay 'the price for that want.

Do we have to wait nearly another 3 decades? Even ' the great Ted Thompson ' can have only so much rope. He's not supposed to tie himself up with it.

Three decades and maybe a longer wait !? Even Ted Thompson and/or Mike Murphy won't be around that long.

Randy Moss back in a Vikings jersey. It appears like a winning move to me, I also know how apppearances can turn out. In reality it's ' a wait and see '. Randy Moss ' can only be ' one, very big piece of the balance and whole that it takes.

Maybe, some really sick or rapid fan will take matters in hand and go all ape shit on Randy Moss and / or Brett Favre. I can't see Favre or Moss getting a great reception come Monday night in New York. (JETS)

There's also huge games coming up ' with us ', and ' the Pats ' for the Vikings ' on the road '. Not that that's any significant factor as we've witnessed the NFL game results this season to date.

Who's going to win a game. Maybe? Just flip a coin. Analysis has been extremely challenging. Any team can blow any game at home or play over their head on the road and win. I base that on a personal observation and results to date, Results that are challenging me moreso, then in the past in the Pro Pick'em.

Back to Randy Moss. Viking fans love it !

Other thoughts:

With the state of 'the Vikings' receiving corps and their #1 TE Shiancoe and Favre's only real threat on ' the limp ' and questionable for week five as I saw it two days ago. Besides that. An ON and a ' on and off ' Percy Harvin. V. Shiancoe is or was on ' the limp ' and possibly out for the MNF game Vs the Jets. Given that adversity or take that away.

The Vikings couldn't have made a more inspiring move for Brett Favre.

I can almost imagine reading 'the hate posts' now from those here, that havn't a clue about ' the karma ' factor. We don't need anymore bad luck Packerrats.

OK. So the Vikings got the star WR they needed so badly and ' all that ' right at this time of their need and adversity and their most challenging difficulty of schedule coming up over these next four weeks to boot.

Bill Belichick ??

Bill Belichick gave up a sweet gift to ' the team ' we need to overcome to win the NFCN. and 'only for a third'? When has he been so gratuitious? I don't get that.

Ohh! Is it this? :D

Maybe Belichick's trying to impress ' the NFL Commissioner ' as the ratings will be through the roof come this Monday night when ' the Jets ' host Brett Favre and Randy Moss (finally together) and ' the horse' Adrian Petersen and 'killer' Allen and ' the Big and Bad Williams Boys' and ...and ...and ! and ' the sleeping so far this season ', Minnesota Vikings. We were aware that for weeks Randy Moss was unhappy in his limited use in the Pat's offensive scheme.

Did any of you imagine that Brett Favre would get ' his wish list card ' fully punched?

The Vikings havn't looked all that great in terms of their offensive line and that fact may prevail. That result, sit Brett Farve on his ass more than he likes to prevent him setting up any decent play flow.

Looking at Randy Moss in Minnesota from just the factor he will add positively, to slow down the tide against the Vikings, Just, isn't a good thing for us. That move by Bill Belichick sucks for the Green Bay Packers BIG TIME.

This is a major coup for the Minnesota Vikings and should inspire both Randy Moss and Brett Favre. Neither one of those fellas needs inspiring. That combination plus all the other Viking tools should give them a realistic ' wish and a prayer chance ' to survive the next four weeks of their schedule. Moss's acquisition by the Vikings could mean bad news for all but the very best opposition 'D's.

Damn that Favre if he can't find a way. :D

He'll play another year now, if he doesn't get to and win the Super Bowl this season. Give any good man enough chances and the law of averages prevails. Brett Favre is a good man inspite of what many here at Packerrats judge differently.

Geee! Favre and certainly now. With ' his man ' Moss in the fold means a solid chance for another season of him wearing the ' Purple and Gold '.
That trade may cause Peyton Manning to shrug a wee bit. He may be thinking. Will Favre ever retire?

My next thought. Will Randy Moss be on the receiving end of Favre's 500th TD pass? Favre's next TD pass will be his 500th.

Yup ! Brett and Randy sharing supper.

How did that get 'to reality' Packerrats?

GO ' Ted Thompson ' ... GO!!

DO ... SOMETHING PLEASE !!

DO SOMETHING 'REALLY POSITIVE' for 'OUR TEAM's'... 'REAL CHANCES'.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Your girlfriend is just fine on top PackFan_N_MD

[Cheesehead Craig]

Do any Packerrats, realistically looking at this news, like it? If it doesn't concern you? Weigh in with all the present adversity. How well or high, is your balloon flying today?

You do realize there was 5 1/2 pages of us weighing in our opinions already, right?

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Your girlfriend is just fine on top PackFan_N_MD

LOL :D

[woodbuck27]

Do any Packerrats, realistically looking at this news, like it? If it doesn't concern you? Weigh in with all the present adversity. How well or high, is your balloon flying today?

You do realize there was 5 1/2 pages of us weighing in our opinions already, right?

Yes ' of course commander ' but you should get ' the real scoop ' too skip. :idea:

[woodbuck27]

I have no idea why the Pats would do this. This is bad news for us though..

It'd be worse news if he went to the Bears.

Ahh Scott. Your mistaken. That move by 'the Vikings' was simply put.

Brialliant ! Now we get to enjoy in Minnesota what TT tossed away for Packer Nation. Well (maybe) you'd be excluded from that 'enjoy' part? :lol:

Who gets 'the last laugh' Scott? You or I? :idea:

[mraynrand]

Double Patlerized!

http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/Patlerized.jpghttp://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/Patlerized.jpg

[ThunderDan]

I have no idea why the Pats would do this. This is bad news for us though..

It'd be worse news if he went to the Bears.

Ahh Scott. Your mistaken. That move by 'the Vikings' was simply put.

Brialliant ! Now we get to enjoy in Minnesota what TT tossed away for Packer Nation. Well (maybe) you'd be excluded from that 'enjoy' part? :lol:

Who gets 'the last laugh' Scott? You or I? :idea:

Why would you laugh if the Vikings do well and the Packers falter? I don't get it.

As to your original post you have a coach/GM who has won the Super Bowl multiple times in the last decade and you have a coach/GM who have never won anything, who's fooling who here? Trust me, if BB didn't think he was getting the better end of this trade RM would still be in NE.

[woodbuck27]

I doubt that Favre knows the details of the negotiation.

Same goes for you and me. That is why I said the Moss trade not going through doesn’t necessarily mean that they are not friends. I guess you are right in that I can't possibility know if they are friends or not b/c we don't know much about their personal lives. Just as you can't really clam they are not friends either.

It doesn't matter anyways b/c it has come to my attention that my original post was more like an over the top girlfriend lol. :)

So now I agree that they don't love each other and they may or may not be friends, but I still think they will destroy the league. :)

It's going to be some fun for Vikings fans to watch. Lights out take em' down HARD offense. Favre to Moss = Many TOUCHDOWNS over the next two or three seasons.

Lots of wins for Favre and MOSS!! A match made in NFL football heaven. Finally ... as an NFL fan. I get to enjoy that with such intense pleasure. :D

The Packers Vs Vikings stuff. I leave that up to TT and MM to handle. That's beyond my realm of deepest understanding.

[woodbuck27]

With Moss in the lineup the Vikes win the North...hands down unless Harris comes back and does NOT miss a step...do you really see this happening?


I would not crown their @sses yet......lol....Sydney Rice still might not make it back and if he doesn't that would really hurt them. Things are just not clicking for the Vikes this year and it would not surprise me if the breaks don't fall their way this year

That teams managment and ownership just proved to me that you can and must seize the moment and take 'the bull by the horns' B. That's what wins in Pro Sports. Guts...Gutsy moves pay BIG RETURNS.

Too bad we don't have a similiar mentality in our front office.

I'm reminded as I post this B. of the name of one of Snow Whites pals...Sleepy. You snooze ...YOU LOSE! :D

Once apon a time..... errrr TT !?

[imscott72]

I doubt that Favre knows the details of the negotiation.

Same goes for you and me. That is why I said the Moss trade not going through doesn’t necessarily mean that they are not friends. I guess you are right in that I can't possibility know if they are friends or not b/c we don't know much about their personal lives. Just as you can't really clam they are not friends either.

It doesn't matter anyways b/c it has come to my attention that my original post was more like an over the top girlfriend lol. :)

So now I agree that they don't love each other and they may or may not be friends, but I still think they will destroy the league. :)

It's going to be some fun for Vikings fans to watch. Lights out take em' down HARD offense. Favre to Moss = Many TOUCHDOWNS over the next two or three seasons.

Lots of wins for Favre and MOSS!! A match made in NFL football heaven. Finally ... as an NFL fan. I get to enjoy that with such intense pleasure. :D

The Packers Vs Vikings stuff. I leave that up to TT and MM to handle. That's beyond my realm of deepest understanding.

I swear you're a closet Viking fan.. :roll:

[Cheesehead Craig]

Do any Packerrats, realistically looking at this news, like it? If it doesn't concern you? Weigh in with all the present adversity. How well or high, is your balloon flying today?

You do realize there was 5 1/2 pages of us weighing in our opinions already, right?

Yes ' of course commander ' but you should get ' the real scoop ' too skip. :idea:

So what was said before was meaningless, skip? :huh:

[imscott72]

Let the games begin.. :lol:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/06/report-growing-tension-between-brett-favre-and-brad-childress/

[Scott Campbell]

That is true but they wont NEED Rice when they have Moss he would just be a bonus. Moss deep, Shianco middle of the field, Harvin like a pinball and AP running like a truck with a VERY good defense...crown em.

Favre will have to be much better that he has been in the first three games. Their O-line hasn't been anything special either.

I'm not saying that adding Moss would not be a huge get for the Vikings and it would make me extremely nervous but like most of the teams in the NFL this year the Vikings have more than one concern. Adding Moss doesn't guarantee anything.

Adding Randy Moss gurantees nothing IMO, but alot!

A BIG STORY deserves a BIG Post ! :lol:

Having # 84 back in a Viking jersey is huge for that team and it's fans.

Gurantees ??

It gurantees that Brett Favre finally gets his desire met.



Is Randy bringing Jenn Sterger with him?

[Patler]

Let the games begin.. :lol:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/06/report-growing-tension-between-brett-favre-and-brad-childress/

This might sum it up the best:



As Silver quoted one unnamed Viking saying, "I think it's all or nothing. It's either the missing piece and we go all the way, or Moss takes on Chilly and this thing blows up by the end of October. There's no C grade on this one. It'll either be an A or an F."

[Scott Campbell]

The Packers Vs Vikings stuff. I leave that up to TT and MM to handle. That's beyond my realm of deepest understanding.


Have you considered leaving sentence structure up to Ted and Mike?

[Scott Campbell]

I doubt that Favre knows the details of the negotiation.

Same goes for you and me. That is why I said the Moss trade not going through doesn’t necessarily mean that they are not friends. I guess you are right in that I can't possibility know if they are friends or not b/c we don't know much about their personal lives. Just as you can't really clam they are not friends either.

It doesn't matter anyways b/c it has come to my attention that my original post was more like an over the top girlfriend lol. :)

So now I agree that they don't love each other and they may or may not be friends, but I still think they will destroy the league. :)

It's going to be some fun for Vikings fans to watch. Lights out take em' down HARD offense. Favre to Moss = Many TOUCHDOWNS over the next two or three seasons.

Lots of wins for Favre and MOSS!! A match made in NFL football heaven. Finally ... as an NFL fan. I get to enjoy that with such intense pleasure. :D

The Packers Vs Vikings stuff. I leave that up to TT and MM to handle. That's beyond my realm of deepest understanding.

I swear you're a closet Viking fan.. :roll:


Minus the closet.

[Scott Campbell]

He'll play another year now, if he doesn't get to and win the Super Bowl this season.


If??????????????????????????

You wrote all that crap and then qualify it with "if"?

Bert is out of excuses if he can't win it all with Randy and AP. Though I expect you to continue making them for him.

[Tony Oday]

Vikes dont have a chance to win the SB with the pathetic shadow of a former great QB there. He will be out by the 12th game this year with a career injury

[falco]

Vikes dont have a chance...


crown em...

:?:

[Tony Oday]

Vikes dont have a chance...


crown em...

:?:

I was pissed yesterday. OR whenever now its on D Bag Purple! The Pack will smoke them.

[falco]

Vikes dont have a chance...


crown em...

:?:

I was pissed yesterday. OR whenever now its on D Bag Purple! The Pack will smoke them.

That's more like it!!! :D

[falco]

That's beyond my realm of deepest understanding.

Apparently so are the key concepts of brevity and humility as well as the general use of the English language.

[woodbuck27]

I have no idea why the Pats would do this. This is bad news for us though..

It'd be worse news if he went to the Bears.

Ahh Scott. Your mistaken. That move by 'the Vikings' was simply put.

Brialliant ! Now we get to enjoy in Minnesota what TT tossed away for Packer Nation. Well (maybe) you'd be excluded from that 'enjoy' part? :lol:

Who gets 'the last laugh' Scott? You or I? :idea:

Why would you laugh if the Vikings do well and the Packers falter? I don't get it.

As to your original post you have a coach/GM who has won the Super Bowl multiple times in the last decade and you have a coach/GM who have never won anything, who's fooling who here? Trust me, if BB didn't think he was getting the better end of this trade RM would still be in NE.

Why would you laugh if the Vikings do well and the Packers falter? I don't get it.

Holy tunderin' be jaysus bye. Not sure that 'YOU' ... get it ThunderDan?

See ... when the Vikings play the Packers, and given my dedication or loyalty to my HERO Brett Favre; and that weighed against my explicit dedication and or loyalty to THE GREEN BAY PACKERS. It comes up as a draw in terms of who I want to win.

I enjoy the game or match. I have no preferenc as to which team wins so as a fan I always win. So wanting either the Packers or Vikings to win isn't relevant to the way I enjoy the game.

In simple terms. I don't really give a damn who wins the matchup. I just want to see which team is best.

Last season the Vikings with Favre were 'the best' of the two teams.

Of course the Vikings had a focused 'right' Brett Favre as their QB. Any Packer fan should realize how difficult it is to defeat his team if he has that teams number. Common sense dictates that you don't piss off Brett Favre and expect not to suffer for that. You know that if you've been a Packer fan for even the time we had him.

Have you been a Packer fan long ThunderDan? The Packers are at a certain disdadvantage facing Favre for too many reasons to account for here man. It's not the same as a scrimmage when Packers meet Vikings anyway in terms related to OUR history or rivalry. They have had a slight advantage over us since they came into the league. Now that gap will in all liklihood widen with Favre behind center. He's 'the fox'. He's not going to ever allow 'the Packers to beat him. The Packers have to have the game plan and skill set to get that done.

Favre knows the in's and out's of the WCO. He knows the strengths and weakness's of our 'D'. Huge advantage ...Vikings. It got worse today .

Randy Moss.

and this:

Who gets 'the last laugh' Scott? You or I?

Please don't read alot into that. That's just a thing between Scott and I and not to be deemed serious. This whole Favre Vs Rodgers thing is such a bag of gas. It really comes down to a ' it is what it is ' , Man

The young Buck Vs the Fox. Both sides except the fans have moved on. Let the best team win. Celebrate that team.

Hey if the Pakers win I win. If Favre and 'the Vikings win, I win.

[superfan]

That teams managment and ownership just proved to me that you can and must seize the moment and take 'the bull by the horns' B. That's what wins in Pro Sports. Guts...Gutsy moves pay BIG RETURNS.

They haven't proved anything to me yet. Let's see where they are in February 2011 before claiming this gutsy move pays big returns. And 2012, 2013, etc.

If the all in approach fails this year and they stink this year and next year and beyond, a lot of people will point at this move as a mistake.

I will say to the Vikings credit the potential reward seems to far outweigh the potential risk of only a 3rd round pick. This does look like a no brainer trade from their perspective.

[MOBB DEEP]

Vikes dont have a chance to win the SB with the pathetic shadow of a former great QB there. He will be out by the 12th game this year with a career injury

yeah, he's KNOWN for mssing games

lol...i pray u dont actually hope for this pal

[MOBB DEEP]

This does look like a no brainer trade from their perspective.

BINGO!

actually WHO CARES about 2 years from now??? i might be in heaven

WIN NOW!!!!

[superfan]

Holy tunderin' be jaysus bye.

One of the best standalone sentences on this, or any, board. Ever. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Woody, I think I finally see where you are coming from.


See ... when the Vikings play the Packers, and given my dedication or loyalty to my HERO Brett Favre; and that weighed against my explicit dedication and or loyalty to THE GREEN BAY PACKERS. It comes up as a draw in terms of who I want to win.

I enjoy the game or match. I have no preferenc as to which team wins so as a fan I always win. So wanting either the Packers or Vikings to win isn't relevant to the way I enjoy the game.

In simple terms. I don't really give a damn who wins the matchup. I just want to see which team is best.

At this point in your "fan career", you've come to appreciate the game as a whole. From a rooting perspective you tend to prefer the Packers, and beyond the Packers certain players, in particular Brett Favre. This perspective allows you to watch individual games from a relatively detached perspective. Like an appreciation of fine art or a fine wine. Sort of. And I respect that. This is obvious from your enjoyment of the Rats Pick'Em league, which is more focused on the league as a whole, not just the Packers.

However, the vast majority of those of us on this board and other boards are die hard Packer fans. To say I could care less about the Vikings would be an understatement. I root for them to lose, unless they absolutely stink and are playing an opponent that could affect Packer playoff positioning, or if they stink and I want them to win a few games to keep them from firing a coach that I want them to keep and/or hurt their draft position (looking at you, Denny Green and Brad Childress).

No offense intended to our resident Viking fan Rats who are not trolls and who we appreciate on this site.

Woody, based on your posts, I would say you are first and foremost an NFL fan. Then it seems to be a tie between a fan of individual players and the Green Bay Packers. Since this is a Packer fan board and you are in the minority, you will continue to be savaged for your views. Unfortunate perhaps, yet inevitable.

[imscott72]

I have no idea why the Pats would do this. This is bad news for us though..

It'd be worse news if he went to the Bears.

Ahh Scott. Your mistaken. That move by 'the Vikings' was simply put.

Brialliant ! Now we get to enjoy in Minnesota what TT tossed away for Packer Nation. Well (maybe) you'd be excluded from that 'enjoy' part? :lol:

Who gets 'the last laugh' Scott? You or I? :idea:

Why would you laugh if the Vikings do well and the Packers falter? I don't get it.

As to your original post you have a coach/GM who has won the Super Bowl multiple times in the last decade and you have a coach/GM who have never won anything, who's fooling who here? Trust me, if BB didn't think he was getting the better end of this trade RM would still be in NE.

See ... when the Vikings play the Packers, and given my dedication or loyalty to my HERO Brett Favre; and that weighed against my explicit dedication and or loyalty to THE GREEN BAY PACKERS. It comes up as a draw in terms of who I want to win.

I enjoy the game or match. I have no preferenc as to which team wins so as a fan I always win. So wanting either the Packers or Vikings to win isn't relevant to the way I enjoy the game.

In simple terms. I don't really give a damn who wins the matchup. I just want to see which team is best.

Hey if the Pakers win I win. If Favre and 'the Vikings win, I win.

:roll: :roll:

[Cheesehead Craig]

Holy tunderin' be jaysus bye.

One of the best standalone sentences on this, or any, board. Ever. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Woody, I think I finally see where you are coming from.


See ... when the Vikings play the Packers, and given my dedication or loyalty to my HERO Brett Favre; and that weighed against my explicit dedication and or loyalty to THE GREEN BAY PACKERS. It comes up as a draw in terms of who I want to win.

I enjoy the game or match. I have no preferenc as to which team wins so as a fan I always win. So wanting either the Packers or Vikings to win isn't relevant to the way I enjoy the game.

In simple terms. I don't really give a damn who wins the matchup. I just want to see which team is best.

At this point in your "fan career", you've come to appreciate the game as a whole. From a rooting perspective you tend to prefer the Packers, and beyond the Packers certain players, in particular Brett Favre. This perspective allows you to watch individual games from a relatively detached perspective. Like an appreciation of fine art or a fine wine. Sort of. And I respect that. This is obvious from your enjoyment of the Rats Pick'Em league, which is more focused on the league as a whole, not just the Packers.

However, the vast majority of those of us on this board and other boards are die hard Packer fans. To say I could care less about the Vikings would be an understatement. I root for them to lose, unless they absolutely stink and are playing an opponent that could affect Packer playoff positioning, or if they stink and I want them to win a few games to keep them from firing a coach that I want them to keep and/or hurt their draft position (looking at you, Denny Green and Brad Childress).

No offense intended to our resident Viking fan Rats who are not trolls and who we appreciate on this site.

Woody, based on your posts, I would say you are first and foremost an NFL fan. Then it seems to be a tie between a fan of individual players and the Green Bay Packers. Since this is a Packer fan board and you are in the minority, you will continue to be savaged for your views. Unfortunate perhaps, yet inevitable.

Remind me not to have you analyze me the next time you're over.

[digitaldean]

Oh man, after reading all the "expert" drivel crowning the Viqueens NFC champs with this trade, I can't wait to see this season blow up in the Queens' faces.

We have our own problems to overcome. Mainly injuries galore, lack of a TRUE running game and some "not-so" special teams play.

Getting Moss will make this division a lot tougher, obviously.

But keep in mind that the Vikes O-line hasn't done Favre or Peterson any favors. Peterson got 160+ yards vs. Detroit despite having defenders in his face before he even clears the line of scrimmage. If they continue to block like they have over the first 3 games, Favre will be beaten senseless and no WR in the world would help that team win.

[swede]

Holy tunderin' be jaysus bye.

One of the best standalone sentences on this, or any, board. Ever. :lol: :lol: :lol:



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[MOBB DEEP]

That is true but they wont NEED Rice when they have Moss he would just be a bonus. Moss deep, Shianco middle of the field, Harvin like a pinball and AP running like a truck with a VERY good defense...crown em.

Favre will have to be much better that he has been in the first three games. Their O-line hasn't been anything special either.

I'm not saying that adding Moss would not be a huge get for the Vikings and it would make me extremely nervous but like most of the teams in the NFL this year the Vikings have more than one concern. Adding Moss doesn't guarantee anything.

Adding Randy Moss gurantees nothing IMO, but alot!

A BIG STORY deserves a BIG Post ! :lol:

Having # 84 back in a Viking jersey is huge for that team and it's fans.

Gurantees ??

It gurantees that Brett Favre finally gets his desire met. FAVRE hooking up with a tremendously talented WR again! We did not want that. TT didn't want that in the scenario as it now exists. Funny how this story may come back to haunt TT forever?

A Gurantee?

It gurantees that Favre and the Vikings have arguably the best WR in the NFL. PackerTimer ! With the Vikings getting Randy Moss. That will gurantee two results, for sure.

a) A ' smile ' on Brett Favre's mug. :)

b) Then, ' a bigger smile ', on Brett Favre's mug. :D

Randy Moss is ' a lights out ' terrific WR. An extremely talented/gifted WR. If your missing 'that fact', the last three seasons ( anyone ) , your in need of some sort of adjustment. I suggest boxer shorts. If Randy Moss gets on the exact same page as Favre? Then look the hell out. The word that comes to mind is 'explosive'. The words . . . 'explosive combination'.

Brett Favre passing to Randy Moss ! Routes. Slants inside, down the middle and pulling up to come back to the ball and leaping catch's and hooking routes, and down the hash marks and long catch and running routes and deep !!! Touchdown! ...... Alot!

A brand new start for Randy Moss gets a real break on ' the Vikings ' team. A real good change is as good as any wonderful rest.

Brad Childress is no Bill Belichick in terms of ' laying on the wood ' as Belichick can; or sticking it to anyone that steps out of line or gets the least bit disruptive. That result too often in NE was ' in the Bill Belichick doghouse '.

How pleased is one of, ' our an almost ' absentee poster Rastak !? Rastak was in for a visit about ten days ago. Rastak has got to be so very happy to learn of this news?

Why?It's huge news! Impacting news !!

Do any Packerrats, realistically looking at this news, like it? If it doesn't concern you? Weigh in with all the present adversity. How well or high, is your balloon flying today?

This news isn't good for us! I might say that it ... SUCKS !! :idea:

Viking fans love it!

They now forsee some relief. Learning that Randy Moss is returning to ' his NFL roots'. It's unbelievable, as I see it's potential in terms of potential positive impact for that teams results. Especially the way that Brett Favre can utilize a receiver with the talent and pizzazz of Randy Moss. That 'the Vikings' managed to pull this blockbuster move off is very impresive.

I had them, very possibly out of it by November. Now at least they 'likely' manage to hang in there and get to an easier schedule, after surviving these next four weeks. If they come out of that portion of the schedule at 3W-4L? They're still good.

Something else I'm impressed with. Is this team has the power and motivation to 'at least try' to make a real move that's calculated to make a real difference.

Our teams GM, Ted Thompson !

I look for him to make a rather significant move very soon or his ass should be grass. Alot of Packer Nation eyes will be on TT now. The pressure is on Ted! This man is like a glacier. Slow ! Really ... really... slow ! Slow to get ' it ' done. Sometimes I wonder. Does TT really know what 'it' is?

Green Bay Packer fans. All of us ! Should desire a lot more than just making the playoff rounds anf bowing out. WE need to want or desire 'a Super Bowl Championship '. The same way Brett Favre always has. The way 'the Vikings Owner' and AP and Randy Moss and the rest of the Vikings will demonstrate that they do want and will pay 'the price for that want.

Do we have to wait nearly another 3 decades? Even ' the great Ted Thompson ' can have only so much rope. He's not supposed to tie himself up with it.

Three decades and maybe a longer wait !? Even Ted Thompson and/or Mike Murphy won't be around that long.

Randy Moss back in a Vikings jersey. It appears like a winning move to me, I also know how apppearances can turn out. In reality it's ' a wait and see '. Randy Moss ' can only be ' one, very big piece of the balance and whole that it takes.

Maybe, some really sick or rapid fan will take matters in hand and go all ape shit on Randy Moss and / or Brett Favre. I can't see Favre or Moss getting a great reception come Monday night in New York. (JETS)

There's also huge games coming up ' with us ', and ' the Pats ' for the Vikings ' on the road '. Not that that's any significant factor as we've witnessed the NFL game results this season to date.

Who's going to win a game. Maybe? Just flip a coin. Analysis has been extremely challenging. Any team can blow any game at home or play over their head on the road and win. I base that on a personal observation and results to date, Results that are challenging me moreso, then in the past in the Pro Pick'em.

Back to Randy Moss. Viking fans love it !

Other thoughts:

With the state of 'the Vikings' receiving corps and their #1 TE Shiancoe and Favre's only real threat on ' the limp ' and questionable for week five as I saw it two days ago. Besides that. An ON and a ' on and off ' Percy Harvin. V. Shiancoe is or was on ' the limp ' and possibly out for the MNF game Vs the Jets. Given that adversity or take that away.

The Vikings couldn't have made a more inspiring move for Brett Favre.

I can almost imagine reading 'the hate posts' now from those here, that havn't a clue about ' the karma ' factor. We don't need anymore bad luck Packerrats.

OK. So the Vikings got the star WR they needed so badly and ' all that ' right at this time of their need and adversity and their most challenging difficulty of schedule coming up over these next four weeks to boot.

Bill Belichick ??

Bill Belichick gave up a sweet gift to ' the team ' we need to overcome to win the NFCN. and 'only for a third'? When has he been so gratuitious? I don't get that.

Ohh! Is it this? :D

Maybe Belichick's trying to impress ' the NFL Commissioner ' as the ratings will be through the roof come this Monday night when ' the Jets ' host Brett Favre and Randy Moss (finally together) and ' the horse' Adrian Petersen and 'killer' Allen and ' the Big and Bad Williams Boys' and ...and ...and ! and ' the sleeping so far this season ', Minnesota Vikings. We were aware that for weeks Randy Moss was unhappy in his limited use in the Pat's offensive scheme.

Did any of you imagine that Brett Favre would get ' his wish list card ' fully punched?

The Vikings havn't looked all that great in terms of their offensive line and that fact may prevail. That result, sit Brett Favre on his ass more than he likes to prevent him setting up any decent play flow.

Looking at Randy Moss in Minnesota from just the factor he will add positively, to slow down the tide against the Vikings, Just, isn't a good thing for us. That move by Bill Belichick sucks for the Green Bay Packers BIG TIME.

This is a major coup for the Minnesota Vikings and should inspire both Randy Moss and Brett Favre. Neither one of those fellas needs inspiring. That combination plus all the other Viking tools should give them a realistic ' wish and a prayer chance ' to survive the next four weeks of their schedule. Moss's acquisition by the Vikings could mean bad news for all but the very best opposition 'D's.

Damn that Favre if he can't find a way. :D

He'll play another year now, if he doesn't get to and win the Super Bowl this season. Give any good man enough chances and the law of averages prevails. Brett Favre is a good man inspite of what many here at Packerrats judge differently.

Geee! Favre and certainly now. With ' his man ' Moss in the fold means a solid chance for another season of him wearing the ' Purple and Gold '.
That trade may cause Peyton Manning to shrug a wee bit. He may be thinking. Will Favre ever retire?

My next thought. Will Randy Moss be on the receiving end of Favre's 500th TD pass? Favre's next TD pass will be his 500th.

Yup ! Brett and Randy sharing supper.

How did that get 'to reality' Packerrats?

GO ' Ted Thompson ' ... GO!!

DO ... SOMETHING PLEASE !!

DO SOMETHING 'REALLY POSITIVE' for 'OUR TEAM's'... 'REAL CHANCES'.

good post

[MichiganPackerFan]

Anyway it's not a big deal, just pointing out your girlfriend-like dramatics. :P

Will take note. I will try to act like more of a man when I post next time. :)

Ok - this is FUNNY!!!

[hoosier]

Who cares about Randy Moss when the frickin' wheels are falling off the Packers' bus? Grant, Burnett, Barnett, Chillar, Collins...where will it end and what will we look like when we get there?

[woodbuck27]

lol shut the hell up......Okay they don't love each other, but I don't see what is over the top in saying they are good friends and will destroy the league. I got in this same agreement about Moss three years ago and I still believe Moss is top talent. Moss and Favre will destroy the league and they are good friends.

Are you sure? I thought the story back then was that they didn't really even know each other, but had a mutual interest in playing together. I could be "misremembering" that, however.

Couldn't have been too strong on Moss' part, because he nixed the deal when GB insisted on a two year contract and NE was OK with 1 year.


I mean they didn't sign a friends contract or something like that so its not something set in stone. I don't think they have to go get a drink after a game to be considered friends. I think you are way off with them “not really knowing each other in 2007.” But reading articles through the years and watching their interaction after games and how they talk about each other in the media you get the impression that they are friends.

Way Moss refused Green bays offer in 2007 is really another discussion. Favre clams the packers treated him like crap and gave him demands and thats why he didn't come. No one probably will ever really know what went down with 100% certainty. A lot of factors go into trading a player to another team than just simply being friends with the Qb of the other team. If you are claming that a strong friendship would have overcame all other factors like his contract demands for example than I just don’t buy that.

I readily acknowledged that I might be remembering the story wrong about Favre and Moss. But, competitors exchange pleasantries after contests all the time, without really knowing each other or being friends. I think of friends as people who have contact away from forced contacts at work, etc. Those I consider acquaintances.

I was going by Brandt's description of what happened in the negotiations and why Moss didn't end up in GB. I doubt that Favre knows the details of the negotiation.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/09000d5d806f8d4f/article/moss-willing-to-listen-to-offers-favre-nearing-decision-on-future

The above LINK takes you to an article written by Adam Schefter and dated: Mar. 01,2008.

It's interesting what possibility Re: the places of employment for Randy Moss and Brett Favre concerning any desire to work together, is forcast in this article and 'the fact' yesterday, that it came to be 'a reality'. Was that simply happenstance or inspired by some uncanny destiny?

I don't know yet, for sure. I do sense that Brett Favre had something to do with ' the Vikings ' bringing in Randy Moss.

Even if that possibility was inspired by the TRUTH or RUMORS we've read concerning their mutual respect and appreciation for their exceptional and mutual skills, that potentially could be combined. To make a positive difference for any teams offense, so fortunate to have them together.

Anyone that knows the NFL and has followed it closely for even the past two decades certainly recognizes the talents of Brett Favre and Randy Moss. These are two very gifted football players. Both will be HOFers. Both are seriously competitive and want first. To win and win BIG. To win a Super Bowl. That is what really matters. The Championship and dedication and focus daily. To that ideal, by any NFL teams total organizational objective.

Both Favre and Moss know what that takes fr. a team standpoint and only wish to do the best they can to fill a needed role. They are now together and it remains to be seen just how mediocre or dominant that combination can be. The potential for dominance certainly still exists inspite of any age factors mentioned as a negative by some here.

This is Brett Favre AND Randy Moss on the same offense.

This is Brett Favre and Randy Moss we are discussing. They can concentrate on extending one anothers careers as a main focus and in turn benefit the Minnesota Vikings. That will have to be a results oriented focus. One defined by one word.

Winning.

How happy they both must be to be finally on the same team. Favre and the Vikings roster and management and ownership should be thinking. Thanks Bill Belichick for being so fair in allowing Favre and Moss to happen. That potential for 'only' a third round pick. As a result, not disturbing the Minnesota Viking roster and it's chemistry, that will jell or not.

Team chemistry and decent health and hard work with properly skilled and mutually motivated team players is all that is necessaey to have a potentially potent and a Championship team.

The support for that has to run throughout the whole organization from owner to management to coaches to the roster players on offense, defense and ST's. All that and all the way to the equipment managers to the water boy. It's al about believing and getting it done.

Quotes ** that support anyone that senses that Moss and Favre have some special respect and admiration for one another follow and come fr. this article:

Date: Mar. 01, 2008

** " Two days into the free-agent signing period, the New England Patriots have yet to re-sign wide receiver Randy Moss and the Green Bay Packers still have not heard from quarterback Brett Favre regarding his decision about whether to return or retire.

Now, the two storylines could connect the way Moss and Favre have hoped to in past offseasons."

This next quote alludes (at least) to the fact that if our teams GM Ted Thompson was on the ball? That he wanted Favre back in 2008 as (again)MM maintained was 'the Green Bay Packers ' position. That TT had a second opportunity to go out and get Randy Moss and that move would most likely have kept or secured Brett Favre for that 2008 season; and as MM maintained was the Packers best choice and desire.

MM clearly stated that Aaron Rodgers would be held out one more season and as the first choice 'the Packers' still desired Brett Favre as their starting QB. Why not !? Favre was Mr. Everyting but Super Bowl bound in the 2007 season. Favre had an awesome year in 2007 and thus 'the Green Bay Packers' did as well. We're also aware that Favre had thr support of teammates to return for another season (2008). Favre was voted MVP by his teammates for that 2007 seasons body of work.

If you'll re-call. Favre led us to a 13-3 record in 2007! Favre was Fed Ex Offensive MVP of the 2007 NFL Season. Favre made history as being named Man of the Year by Sports Illustrated Magazine and for the first time that publication saw 'three releases'. Copies were scooped up as fast as they hit the news stands. Favre's popularity may have been at an All Time high. Favre decided to retire and un-retire. He wanted to return to the team he loved. The Green Bay Packers. He was 'in effect' refused that wish. He was in a matter of words told that the Packer Organization had moved forward in terms related to the starting QB. Aaron Rodgers would be our starting QB. Favre would be the back-up.

In effect, the Green Bay Packers, having to know Favre fully well in terms related to the season he experienced in 2007 would not, could not accept a back-up role, as the QB he was and remains today. Being a Minneesota Viking starting QB.

That message from MM to Brett Favre was the final signal that he should retire. He still knew he could and needed to be an NFL starting QB. The thanks he got for his 17 years of dedicated service, was a slap in the face trade to the other conference, for a lowly *4th round pick. ( * conditional ? ). How did Favre fall so low in the Packer Organizations terms related to it's immediate future given the sensational season he had in 2007?

Those facts cannot be refuted Packer fans. Smack down on it as you please. Piss all over Brett Favre acomplishments and piss all over yourselves in so doing as I can 'only' shake my head at the behaviours of some of you in here that are so unrealistic or deluded in how Favre was treated by 'the Green Bay Packer' Organization as the whole mess went down.

I can 'only' hang my head in shame, as a very dedicated and long term Green Bay Packer fan. That whole issue will go down in Packer history as a very dark, to at least, a very unfortunate mess due to both sides not getting their shit together at certain times between the end of 2007 and the day Favre clearly offered (again) his skills for the 2008 season.

Again and soon we will be able to compare the skills of Favre Vs Aaron Rodgers and let the best man win. No matter what team defeats the other I will win. :D

The history we all witnessed between the end of that 2007 season and the day Favre became a New York JET will bug me till I die. It sucked! It will always ...SUCK.

How long will we pay the price as Packer fans for that unfortunate mess. We payed for it last season as Favre torched OUR side and the Vikings defeated us in both games and claimed the NFCN. Only time and Favre's dedication and fortunate or not means towords winning it all will be the determining factor in the suffering over Favre now in a Vikings jersey.

We all here will suffer or not :D differently.

I do not want to upset a sole here or infer that what TT has in place today isn't of Championship potential. I don't want to deflate any Packer fans balloon, that flys high and proclaims Championship now. I like our team. Do I love it or see it winning the Super Bowl? Certainly not. I'm too realistic. TT hasn't fitted all the pieces together, and TT won't ever get there as good a job as he's done. It takes alot more. He and MM must be on the same wavelength or page. TT has to provide ample talent to MM. Just do whatever it takes to get it done. Get 'really' busy. Fill the gaps.

Re: Ted Thompson.

I don't believe he has it right. Not that - just yet. If he ever gets focused and 'only right and every day ' totally focused, his total agenda. To win a Super Bowl. I'll be very surprized. I certainly believe from my observations of TT that to get right there. TT must change.

His problem lies somewhere in this bit of our history:

With a certain due dilegence and respect, for Favre's dedication to what he believed it takes to win a Championship, that respect, returned to Brett Favre, on behalf of our GM. With a sincere effort on behalf of Ted Thompson. We could be the team that benefited from the skills of Brett Favre and Randy Moss working out of Lambeau Field.

We could have had what I sense ' the Vikings ' are putting into place at this very time. Some call it STAR POWER. I call it the chemistry that evolves from being consistent and dedicated to what it takes to be ' a WINNER'.

Here's 'the quote:

** " Favre openly campaigned for the Packers to sign Moss last offseason. When they didn't, he spoke out against the organization. ....

With Favre nearing a decision on his future –- some believe he will inform Green Bay of his plans as early as this week -– the Packers could make the decision for him. If they signed Moss now, those who know Favre believe it would be a dead-lock cinch for the Packers quarterback to play another season. "

Now all we have left (as this Packer fan see's it) is ** the dark karma effect of TT and MM deciding to toss Brett Favre's loyal 17 year service to the organization we all love and support as GREEN BAY PACKER fans. Packer fans!?

Where can ** that go?

All we have left is hope that Ted Thompson and MM and our teams coaching staff can utilize with the best of their ability what Ted Thompson provides.

Inspite of any disappointment I feel over how this mess has gone. With me it will always remain this and the same:

GO PACK GO!

[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

This is Brett Favre and Randy Moss we are discussing. They can concentrate on extending one anothers careers as a main focus and in turn benefit the Minnesota Vikings. That will have to be a results oriented focus. One defined by one word.

Winning.



I think the word you were looking for is "Crocs".

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2010/10/07/2010-10-07_website_claims_it_will_expose_favre.html



And yesterday was such a good day for you. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[mraynrand]

lol shut the hell up......Okay they don't love each other, but I don't see what is over the top in saying they are good friends and will destroy the league. I got in this same agreement about Moss three years ago and I still believe Moss is top talent. Moss and Favre will destroy the league and they are good friends.

Are you sure? I thought the story back then was that they didn't really even know each other, but had a mutual interest in playing together. I could be "misremembering" that, however.

Couldn't have been too strong on Moss' part, because he nixed the deal when GB insisted on a two year contract and NE was OK with 1 year.


I mean they didn't sign a friends contract or something like that so its not something set in stone. I don't think they have to go get a drink after a game to be considered friends. I think you are way off with them “not really knowing each other in 2007.” But reading articles through the years and watching their interaction after games and how they talk about each other in the media you get the impression that they are friends.

Way Moss refused Green bays offer in 2007 is really another discussion. Favre clams the packers treated him like crap and gave him demands and thats why he didn't come. No one probably will ever really know what went down with 100% certainty. A lot of factors go into trading a player to another team than just simply being friends with the Qb of the other team. If you are claming that a strong friendship would have overcame all other factors like his contract demands for example than I just don’t buy that.

I readily acknowledged that I might be remembering the story wrong about Favre and Moss. But, competitors exchange pleasantries after contests all the time, without really knowing each other or being friends. I think of friends as people who have contact away from forced contacts at work, etc. Those I consider acquaintances.

I was going by Brandt's description of what happened in the negotiations and why Moss didn't end up in GB. I doubt that Favre knows the details of the negotiation.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/09000d5d806f8d4f/article/moss-willing-to-listen-to-offers-favre-nearing-decision-on-future

The above LINK takes you to an article written by Adam Schefter and dated: Mar. 01,2008.

It's interesting what possibility Re: the places of employment for Randy Moss and Brett Favre concerning any desire to work together, is forcast in this article and 'the fact' yesterday, that it came to be 'a reality'. Was that simply happenstance or inspired by some uncanny destiny?

I don't know yet, for sure. I do sense that Brett Favre had something to do with ' the Vikings ' bringing in Randy Moss.

Even if that possibility was inspired by the TRUTH or RUMORS we've read concerning their mutual respect and appreciation for their exceptional and mutual skills, that potentially could be combined. To make a positive difference for any teams offense, so fortunate to have them together.

Anyone that knows the NFL and has followed it closely for even the past two decades certainly recognizes the talents of Brett Favre and Randy Moss. These are two very gifted football players. Both will be HOFers. Both are seriously competitive and want first. To win and win BIG. To win a Super Bowl. That is what really matters. The Championship and dedication and focus daily. To that ideal, by any NFL teams total organizational objective.

Both Favre and Moss know what that takes fr. a team standpoint and only wish to do the best they can to fill a needed role. They are now together and it remains to be seen just how mediocre or dominant that combination can be. The potential for dominance certainly still exists inspite of any age factors mentioned as a negative by some here.

This is Brett Favre AND Randy Moss on the same offense.

This is Brett Favre and Randy Moss we are discussing. They can concentrate on extending one anothers careers as a main focus and in turn benefit the Minnesota Vikings. That will have to be a results oriented focus. One defined by one word.

Winning.

How happy they both must be to be finally on the same team. Favre and the Vikings roster and management and ownership should be thinking. Thanks Bill Belichick for being so fair in allowing Favre and Moss to happen. That potential for 'only' a third round pick. As a result, not disturbing the Minnesota Viking roster and it's chemistry, that will jell or not.

Team chemistry and decent health and hard work with properly skilled and mutually motivated team players is all that is necessaey to have a potentially potent and a Championship team.

The support for that has to run throughout the whole organization from owner to management to coaches to the roster players on offense, defense and ST's. All that and all the way to the equipment managers to the water boy. It's al about believing and getting it done.

Quotes ** that support anyone that senses that Moss and Favre have some special respect and admiration for one another follow and come fr. this article:

Date: Mar. 01, 2008

** " Two days into the free-agent signing period, the New England Patriots have yet to re-sign wide receiver Randy Moss and the Green Bay Packers still have not heard from quarterback Brett Favre regarding his decision about whether to return or retire.

Now, the two storylines could connect the way Moss and Favre have hoped to in past offseasons."

This next quote alludes (at least) to the fact that if our teams GM Ted Thompson was on the ball? That he wanted Favre back in 2008 as (again)MM maintained was 'the Green Bay Packers ' position. That TT had a second opportunity to go out and get Randy Moss and that move would most likely have kept or secured Brett Favre for that 2008 season; and as MM maintained was the Packers best choice and desire.

MM clearly stated that Aaron Rodgers would be held out one more season and as the first choice 'the Packers' still desired Brett Favre as their starting QB. Why not !? Favre was Mr. Everyting but Super Bowl bound in the 2007 season. Favre had an awesome year in 2007 and thus 'the Green Bay Packers' did as well. We're also aware that Favre had thr support of teammates to return for another season (2008). Favre was voted MVP by his teammates for that 2007 seasons body of work.

If you'll re-call. Favre led us to a 13-3 record in 2007! Favre was Fed Ex Offensive MVP of the 2007 NFL Season. Favre made history as being named Man of the Year by Sports Illustrated Magazine and for the first time that publication saw 'three releases'. Copies were scooped up as fast as they hit the news stands. Favre's popularity may have been at an All Time high. Favre decided to retire and un-retire. He wanted to return to the team he loved. The Green Bay Packers. He was 'in effect' refused that wish. He was in a matter of words told that the Packer Organization had moved forward in terms related to the starting QB. Aaron Rodgers would be our starting QB. Favre would be the back-up.

In effect, the Green Bay Packers, having to know Favre fully well in terms related to the season he experienced in 2007 would not, could not accept a back-up role, as the QB he was and remains today. Being a Minneesota Viking starting QB.

That message from MM to Brett Favre was the final signal that he should retire. He still knew he could and needed to be an NFL starting QB. The thanks he got for his 17 years of dedicated service, was a slap in the face trade to the other conference, for a lowly *4th round pick. ( * conditional ? ). How did Favre fall so low in the Packer Organizations terms related to it's immediate future given the sensational season he had in 2007?

Those facts cannot be refuted Packer fans. Smack down on it as you please. Piss all over Brett Favre acomplishments and piss all over yourselves in so doing as I can 'only' shake my head at the behaviours of some of you in here that are so unrealistic or deluded in how Favre was treated by 'the Green Bay Packer' Organization as the whole mess went down.

I can 'only' hang my head in shame, as a very dedicated and long term Green Bay Packer fan. That whole issue will go down in Packer history as a very dark, to at least, a very unfortunate mess due to both sides not getting their shit together at certain times between the end of 2007 and the day Favre clearly offered (again) his skills for the 2008 season.

Again and soon we will be able to compare the skills of Favre Vs Aaron Rodgers and let the best man win. No matter what team defeats the other I will win. :D

The history we all witnessed between the end of that 2007 season and the day Favre became a New York JET will bug me till I die. It sucked! It will always ...SUCK.

How long will we pay the price as Packer fans for that unfortunate mess. We payed for it last season as Favre torched OUR side and the Vikings defeated us in both games and claimed the NFCN. Only time and Favre's dedication and fortunate or not means towords winning it all will be the determining factor in the suffering over Favre now in a Vikings jersey.

We all here will suffer or not :D differently.

I do not want to upset a sole here or infer that what TT has in place today isn't of Championship potential. I don't want to deflate any Packer fans balloon, that flys high and proclaims Championship now. I like our team. Do I love it or see it winning the Super Bowl? Certainly not. I'm too realistic. TT hasn't fitted all the pieces together, and TT won't ever get there as good a job as he's done. It takes alot more. He and MM must be on the same wavelength or page. TT has to provide ample talent to MM. Just do whatever it takes to get it done. Get 'really' busy. Fill the gaps.

Re: Ted Thompson.

I don't believe he has it right. Not that - just yet. If he ever gets focused and 'only right and every day ' totally focused, his total agenda. To win a Super Bowl. I'll be very surprized. I certainly believe from my observations of TT that to get right there. TT must change.

His problem lies somewhere in this bit of our history:

With a certain due dilegence and respect, for Favre's dedication to what he believed it takes to win a Championship, that respect, returned to Brett Favre, on behalf of our GM. With a sincere effort on behalf of Ted Thompson. We could be the team that benefited from the skills of Brett Favre and Randy Moss working out of Lambeau Field.

We could have had what I sense ' the Vikings ' are putting into place at this very time. Some call it STAR POWER. I call it the chemistry that evolves from being consistent and dedicated to what it takes to be ' a WINNER'.

Here's 'the quote:

** " Favre openly campaigned for the Packers to sign Moss last offseason. When they didn't, he spoke out against the organization. ....

With Favre nearing a decision on his future –- some believe he will inform Green Bay of his plans as early as this week -– the Packers could make the decision for him. If they signed Moss now, those who know Favre believe it would be a dead-lock cinch for the Packers quarterback to play another season. "

Now all we have left (as this Packer fan see's it) is ** the dark karma effect of TT and MM deciding to toss Brett Favre's loyal 17 year service to the organization we all love and support as GREEN BAY PACKER fans. Packer fans!?

Where can ** that go?

All we have left is hope that Ted Thompson and MM and our teams coaching staff can utilize with the best of their ability what Ted Thompson provides.

Inspite of any disappointment I feel over how this mess has gone. With me it will always remain this and the same:

GO PACK GO!

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Too much ruminating....

[mraynrand]

I doubt that Favre knows the details of the negotiation.

Same goes for you and me. That is why I said the Moss trade not going through doesn’t necessarily mean that they are not friends. I guess you are right in that I can't possibility know if they are friends or not b/c we don't know much about their personal lives. Just as you can't really clam they are not friends either.

It doesn't matter anyways b/c it has come to my attention that my original post was more like an over the top girlfriend lol. :)

So now I agree that they don't love each other and they may or may not be friends, but I still think they will destroy the league. :)

It's going to be some fun for Vikings fans to watch. Lights out take em' down HARD offense. Favre to Moss = Many TOUCHDOWNS over the next two or three seasons.

Lots of wins for Favre and MOSS!! A match made in NFL football heaven. Finally ... as an NFL fan. I get to enjoy that with such intense pleasure. :D

The Packers Vs Vikings stuff. I leave that up to TT and MM to handle. That's beyond my realm of deepest understanding.

I swear you're a closet Viking fan.. :roll:


Minus the closet.

belly laugh funny

[pbmax]

Both Favre and Moss know what that takes fr. a team standpoint and only wish to do the best they can to fill a needed role. They are now together and it remains to be seen just how mediocre or dominant that combination can be. The potential for dominance certainly still exists inspite of any age factors mentioned as a negative by some here.
Woodbuck, Randy Moss' (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/07/report-moss-dissed-belichick-on-plane-back-from-miami/) entire history is an exercise in getting paid, not looking to win. The fit in Minnesota to get to Oakland with a new contract. The preference to have a one year contract to enable him to get a shot at FA again taking him to New England rather than join Favre in Green Bay. And now (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/06/report-randy-moss-had-halftime-outburst-at-patriots-assistant/) the hissy fits (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2010/10/05/source-randy-moss-camp-asked-for-a-trade-from-the-patriots-following-week-1/) he threw (http://twitter.com/Gary_Tanguay/statuses/26510245941) in New England, starting (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/12/loud-randy-moss-says-some-in-new-england-dont-want-to-see-me-do-good/) in Week 1 (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/12/randy-moss-reiterates-his-belief-that-he-wont-be-back-in-new-england/), because they refused to talk about another large contract with him (http://www.csnne.com/09/12/10/Curran-Tone-deaf-Moss-shows-tender-side/v1_landing_patriots.html?blockID=309472&feedID=3352).

Moss may not be a cancer, but he can be disruptive and selfish. It was a bold move but NFL football is not fantasy football. Those personalities need to fit together in a team and within an offensive concept. Maybe he and Favre will be on the same page as Chilly (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/06/report-growing-tension-between-brett-favre-and-brad-childress/), but it could just as easily be a bad fit.

[Scott Campbell]

I think Moss and Screaming Lord Byron could be a lethal combination.

[3irty1]

Both Favre and Moss know what that takes fr. a team standpoint and only wish to do the best they can to fill a needed role. They are now together and it remains to be seen just how mediocre or dominant that combination can be. The potential for dominance certainly still exists inspite of any age factors mentioned as a negative by some here.
Woodbuck, Randy Moss' (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/07/report-moss-dissed-belichick-on-plane-back-from-miami/) entire history is an exercise in getting paid, not looking to win. The fit in Minnesota to get to Oakland with a new contract. The preference to have a one year contract to enable him to get a shot at FA again taking him to New England rather than join Favre in Green Bay. And now (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/06/report-randy-moss-had-halftime-outburst-at-patriots-assistant/) the hissy fits (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2010/10/05/source-randy-moss-camp-asked-for-a-trade-from-the-patriots-following-week-1/) he threw (http://twitter.com/Gary_Tanguay/statuses/26510245941) in New England, starting (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/12/loud-randy-moss-says-some-in-new-england-dont-want-to-see-me-do-good/) in Week 1 (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/12/randy-moss-reiterates-his-belief-that-he-wont-be-back-in-new-england/), because they refused to talk about another large contract with him (http://www.csnne.com/09/12/10/Curran-Tone-deaf-Moss-shows-tender-side/v1_landing_patriots.html?blockID=309472&feedID=3352).

Moss may not be a cancer, but he can be disruptive and selfish. It was a bold move but NFL football is not fantasy football. Those personalities need to fit together in a team and within an offensive concept. Maybe he and Favre will be on the same page as Chilly (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/06/report-growing-tension-between-brett-favre-and-brad-childress/), but it could just as easily be a bad fit.

He's worse than a cancer. He brings his off the field problems onto the field. He sucks when he's unhappy. Take into account that he's just a super weird guy who won't do things with the team and I'm glad he's not a Packer. That doesn't make me glad that he's a Viking though. He's awesome when motivated and I'm sure he is.

[Scott Campbell]

Are you talking about Moss or Favre?

[woodbuck27]

This is Brett Favre and Randy Moss we are discussing. They can concentrate on extending one anothers careers as a main focus and in turn benefit the Minnesota Vikings. That will have to be a results oriented focus. One defined by one word.

Winning.



I think the word you were looking for is "Crocs".

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2010/10/07/2010-10-07_website_claims_it_will_expose_favre.html



And yesterday was such a good day for you. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hey! Scott... :D

I'm always happy to see 'good things' come to 'good people'.

Brett Favre is overall and by far, GOOD. Evidence to support that ' as a TRUTH ' ... abounds on the internet.

GO PACKERS!

[Scott Campbell]

Yeah, I was just thinking that ole Bert deserved some Tiger Woods karma today. :lol:

Think his ankle is starting to get sore again?

[imscott72]

http://local.yodle.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/snoring.jpg

LOL!!

[imscott72]

This is Brett Favre and Randy Moss we are discussing. They can concentrate on extending one anothers careers as a main focus and in turn benefit the Minnesota Vikings. That will have to be a results oriented focus. One defined by one word.

Winning.



I think the word you were looking for is "Crocs".

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2010/10/07/2010-10-07_website_claims_it_will_expose_favre.html



And yesterday was such a good day for you. :lol: :lol: :lol:



I'm always happy to see 'good things' come to 'good people'.

Brett Favre is overall and by far, GOOD. Evidence to support that ' as a TRUTH ' ... abounds on the internet.



:roll:

[mngolf19]

Let the games begin.. :lol:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/06/report-growing-tension-between-brett-favre-and-brad-childress/

LOL, this is almost a copy of the same article that was written a year ago. Nothing to see here.

[mngolf19]

Oh man, after reading all the "expert" drivel crowning the Viqueens NFC champs with this trade, I can't wait to see this season blow up in the Queens' faces.

We have our own problems to overcome. Mainly injuries galore, lack of a TRUE running game and some "not-so" special teams play.

Getting Moss will make this division a lot tougher, obviously.

But keep in mind that the Vikes O-line hasn't done Favre or Peterson any favors. Peterson got 160+ yards vs. Detroit despite having defenders in his face before he even clears the line of scrimmage. If they continue to block like they have over the first 3 games, Favre will be beaten senseless and no WR in the world would help that team win.

What experts? I've only seen people say this makes them better or it's risky. All experts I've listened to are pumping the Pack.

[Scott Campbell]

Let the games begin.. :lol:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/06/report-growing-tension-between-brett-favre-and-brad-childress/

LOL, this is almost a copy of the same article that was written a year ago. Nothing to see here.


But there's something good to hear here:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2010/10/07/2010-10-07_website_claims_it_will_expose_favre.html

And more to come tomorrow.

[woodbuck27]

Both Favre and Moss know what that takes fr. a team standpoint and only wish to do the best they can to fill a needed role. They are now together and it remains to be seen just how mediocre or dominant that combination can be. The potential for dominance certainly still exists inspite of any age factors mentioned as a negative by some here.
Woodbuck, Randy Moss' (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/07/report-moss-dissed-belichick-on-plane-back-from-miami/) entire history is an exercise in getting paid, not looking to win. The fit in Minnesota to get to Oakland with a new contract. The preference to have a one year contract to enable him to get a shot at FA again taking him to New England rather than join Favre in Green Bay. And now (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/06/report-randy-moss-had-halftime-outburst-at-patriots-assistant/) the hissy fits (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2010/10/05/source-randy-moss-camp-asked-for-a-trade-from-the-patriots-following-week-1/) he threw (http://twitter.com/Gary_Tanguay/statuses/26510245941) in New England, starting (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/12/loud-randy-moss-says-some-in-new-england-dont-want-to-see-me-do-good/) in Week 1 (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/12/randy-moss-reiterates-his-belief-that-he-wont-be-back-in-new-england/), because they refused to talk about another large contract with him (http://www.csnne.com/09/12/10/Curran-Tone-deaf-Moss-shows-tender-side/v1_landing_patriots.html?blockID=309472&feedID=3352).

Moss may not be a cancer, but he can be disruptive and selfish. It was a bold move but NFL football is not fantasy football. Those personalities need to fit together in a team and within an offensive concept. Maybe he and Favre will be on the same page as Chilly (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/06/report-growing-tension-between-brett-favre-and-brad-childress/), but it could just as easily be a bad fit.

Good Morning pbmax or maybe it's Good afternoon? :D

I entirely agree with you on the problems a HC may have attepting to bring *STAR* talents and personalities together. To drop the EGO for the better good and goals of ' a team effort and focus ', to achieve the lofty goal the Minnesota Vikings set for themselves this season. A Super Bowl berth and a Lombardi Trophy. A high ideal indeed! Based in what I'm seeing. Unrealistic to this point in time. Unless they wear out ' the HORSE ' AP. :)

I'm on record in these terms regarding the Viking's offense:

The Vikings were nowhere on offense in games one and two. They controlled the lowly Detroit Lions and covered the spread (Vegas) in game three and sit at 1W-2L. The great offense we saw last season was lost in space or nowhere in those first three games.

a) Bernard Berrian was invisable.

b) The 'migrane kid' was off in regard to running routes or somehow distracted.

c)Favre was using only one weapon effectively over the middle and along the sidelines. His talented TE V. Shiancoe. He was banged up as of early this week and may not be available Vs 'the JETS'.

So they go with 'a wish and a prayer'. Go out and make a spectacular move, bringing in Randy Moss, Yet, how to make that move work?

The Vikings offense is in the celler of all NFL teams.

We understand the reasons for thst dropoff in offense. Those reasons a long ways from falling to blame on Favre who can still make the pass's and be 'the leader' behind center, expected of Championship caliber QB. He just needs a fair chance.

I saw this:

a) Favre's WR's cannot get into position (run proper routes) and when they do they've muffed his pass's.

b) His OL will get him killed if that's not corrected pronto. He's being rushed, sacked and knocked down alot.

c) Favre's getting little time to none properly afforded to him to do his checkdowns. That OL as it was, won't matter 'a lick', in terms related to obtaining Randy Moss, and Brett Favre getting the ball to him deep, sideline or over the middle, anywhere,

The Viking OL problems has been ongoing. The Vikings OL was sucky last season (late) in the NFC Championship game. They made some adjustment in the second half Vs the Saints. Chilly was pissed at his OL and went 'smash mouth' in the dressing room at the half. He knew his QB was in deep trouble.

Favre's performance overall in that game was nothing but courageous. 300+ yards through the air with 18 knockdowns and zero sacks. Unbelievable for a team in the ( NFC ) Championship game and horrible to watch. I've never seen much in sports more ugly.

Comment:

That fact alone or the competence of the Viking OL. Would keep anyone
( but Favre ) away from the Vikings, and seriously believe that they could win the NFC Championship, moreso, the Super Bowl.

They like alot of NFL teams, have TIME to adjust. Time is their best friend. The trouble is they play four highly rated teams over the next four weeks and their BYE week was *early. * adversity due to loss's of starting players, injuries that cause next weeks starters to not be 100% and exhaustion before the end of games, comes to mind.

The good news is that most NFL teams have problem areas. It takes 8-10 games to se the best NFL teams get into the flow and string wins.

If the Vikings can manage a split over these next four weeks ( 3W-4L ) they could get it all together and rally in the second half.

There's that little word (if) with huge needs ( ie Sydney Rice's return and his effectiveness) and 'of course' all that adversity to overcome as well. That points to team depth of roster in terms 'of real talent' and the ability to fill in effectively. It takes so much to go right and alot of good luck to win a Championship. A team cannot just will that.

Ohh pbmax!

If Randy Moss becomes disruptive. I'm sure that Favre and the other Viking leaders can handle that and him. Favre's not still in the game to shrink fr. all responsibility as a Vikings leader and starting QB. There are more leaders on 'the Vikings' to share any burden related to any players less than proper focus and attitude.

Disruption = benching.

The bottom line in terms of Minny landing Randy Moss. Favre has to be given a fair or real opportunity to make the throws or get the ball to him or Moss in Minny is moot. On a positive note. The Vikings are definitely or potentially stronger obtaining Randy Moss. He's removed fr. being' over the hill '.

GO PACKERS!

[mngolf19]

Disruptive. If Moss is disruptive this year, it's because they're losing and I believe everyone would be disruptive in that situation. He won't ruin them, he'd just add to the disruption. I think whether or not he gets an extension determines if he could be a disruption in the future but even in that situation, if he's getting paid and their winning he won't be a disruption.

[woodbuck27]

Holy tunderin' be jaysus bye.

One of the best standalone sentences on this, or any, board. Ever. :lol: :lol: :lol:



http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z236/dsteenswede44/bob-dilbert.jpg

Hi Swede:

I was just tossin' a tad of Newfie ( Newfoundland ) out thar in dat post fer a little hil ar ity fer meself, Boy ( pronounced as Boyee ). :lol:

That Adams fella, the cartoonist? Is he/she a Canuck? A Newfounlander? A Maritimer from,say... Cape Breton, Nova Scotia?

I'm a Newbie or fr. Saint John, New Brunswick. That's located on the Bay of Fundy in ' the Maritime Provinces ' of Eastern Canada. The Maritime Provinces are: New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island, and that's (Island) really a misnomer, now that a bridge connects P E I to mainland New Brunswick, south of Shediac, NB or at Cape Tormantine, NB.

[Scott Campbell]

I was just tossin'......................


Isn't that what got Bert in trouble in the first place? :rs:

[imscott72]

Let the games begin.. :lol:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/06/report-growing-tension-between-brett-favre-and-brad-childress/

LOL, this is almost a copy of the same article that was written a year ago. Nothing to see here.


But there's something good to hear here:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2010/10/07/2010-10-07_website_claims_it_will_expose_favre.html

And more to come tomorrow.

:shock:

[mngolf19]

I was just tossin'......................


Isn't that what got Bert in trouble in the first place?

Doesn't seem to bother Deanna. :)

[mngolf19]

Let the games begin.. :lol:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/06/report-growing-tension-between-brett-favre-and-brad-childress/

LOL, this is almost a copy of the same article that was written a year ago. Nothing to see here.


But there's something good to hear here:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2010/10/07/2010-10-07_website_claims_it_will_expose_favre.html

And more to come tomorrow.

:shock:

"Some big-boobed hoes have morals and souls, believe it or not. ..."

:wink:

[Scott Campbell]

I was just tossin'......................


Isn't that what got Bert in trouble in the first place?

Doesn't seem to bother Deanna. :)


That is interesting. I seriously doubt that it wouldn't bother her. But it could be that she didn't believe it before. And that could change after listening to the voicemails. And seeing the pecker pictures.

I doubt this will distract the Vikings. It didn't distract Tiger.

[woodbuck27]

Disruptive. If Moss is disruptive this year, it's because they're losing and I believe everyone would be disruptive in that situation. He won't ruin them, he'd just add to the disruption. I think whether or not he gets an extension determines if he could be a disruption in the future but even in that situation, if he's getting paid and their winning he won't be a disruption.

If he gets disruptive Favre and Allen will ' threaten to ', or ' black ball ' him. That's just for ' a heads up ' before the real torture begins. :lol:

Maybe with this latest CRAP that Scott Campbell is smearing all over this thread ..hahaaha :lol: It will get to... even worse.

If Randy Moss... steps out of line? or says ... more than three times a game.

" Brett ! BRETT !! Look at me ! Brett!! I'm wide open. Get me the ball."

In the locker room...

Brett Favre will start up a chorus of " Who's Got (Gets) their Pants Down "

Thinking now of ' the dirty/slammy ' Viking days of a few seasons back. Would then be on a RE-RUN, and with that, if nothing else, will add a comedy stress relief break from all that possibly too serious attention and focus on that Super Bowl Run.

Best if Moss just lines his skinny up on the line ( ready - set - go !) and makes spectacular receptions of Favarrian ' feather tight spirel pass's ' and dashs to the end zone.

Another TD!

[Scott Campbell]

Brett Favre will start up a chorus of " Who's Got (Gets) their Pants Down " and actually wiggle his jigger in Moss's gob.


Isn't that how Bert got in trouble in the first place? :rs:

[woodbuck27]

I was just tossin'......................


Isn't that what got Bert in trouble in the first place?

Doesn't seem to bother Deanna. :)


That is interesting. I seriously doubt that it wouldn't bother her. But it could be that she didn't believe it before. And that could change after listening to the voicemails. And seeing the pecker pictures.

I doubt this will distract the Vikings. It didn't distract Tiger.

Scott:

I'm still looking into that 'another SLAM on Bret Favre post' to me earlier.

My first reaction was:

Couldn't he be going ' all hormonal ' mid life crisis back then, and with all the fuecking bullshit and stress ' the Green Bay Packer equivalents of the Terrible Cookie Monsters ' ... TT and MM and what they placed on his plate, between Feb. and Aug, 2008... and confusing that side line reporters bust for Deanna's?

There is a remarkable resemblance there man. For sure! :D

or

Just simply in ' some fascination or mesmerized mode ' imagining that he discovered Deanna's fabulous twin !??

Seems on that basis of analysis ... all pretty normal to me Scott.

Of course, I hail from ' the wilds of the Maritimes ' ** and us fellas get caught up in that sort of behaviour as often as we can ... and can also ... get away with it.Note ** SARCASM ** not meant for anyone to read and take as TRUTH .... I was still trying to get a handle on SC's allegations and personally I don't condone unfaithful behaviour or any excuse of such. This has been an ugly ...UGLY day for me @ Packerrats in terms of the possible Brett Favre scandal having a foundation of TRUTH. When I made this post I had no real idea what SC was alluding to...I am concerned for Favre and his family and he will be innoscent as far as I'm concerned ...until properly found guilty or admits guilt. woodbuck27

[mraynrand]

I was just tossin'......................


Isn't that what got Bert in trouble in the first place?

Doesn't seem to bother Deanna. :)


That is interesting. I seriously doubt that it wouldn't bother her. But it could be that she didn't believe it before. And that could change after listening to the voicemails. And seeing the pecker pictures.

I doubt this will distract the Vikings. It didn't distract Tiger.

This is starting to come across like that scene from Porky's:



"A police line-up so that
you can identify his tallywhacker."

"Please, please, can we call it a tallywhacker?"

Well, we can put hoods over their heads to avoid embarrassment.

Now, listen. We have got to do it, as distasteful as it is. I know it's him. That tallywhacker had a mole on it, and that mole is the key to it.

Miss Balbricker, do you realise the difficulty of your request? Now, I would be very happy to...to apprehend the young man myself, but imagine what the Board of Education would say if you were granted a line-up in order to examine their private pa... pa... pa...their... their... their...their private parts for an incriminating mole.


I think I have a way out of this. We call the police, and we have 'em send over one of their sketch artists. And Miss Balbricker can give a description.

[woodbuck27]

I was just tossin'......................


Isn't that what got Bert in trouble in the first place?

Doesn't seem to bother Deanna. :)


That is interesting. I seriously doubt that it wouldn't bother her. But it could be that she didn't believe it before. And that could change after listening to the voicemails. And seeing the pecker pictures.

I doubt this will distract the Vikings. It didn't distract Tiger.


" I doubt this will distract the Vikings. It didn't distract Tiger. " Scott Campbell

Holy damaged laughter box , Scott, that really broke me up. Hilarious !!

:lol: X 100 !! Good one Campbell !

[woodbuck27]

I was just tossin'......................


Isn't that what got Bert in trouble in the first place?

Doesn't seem to bother Deanna. :)


That is interesting. I seriously doubt that it wouldn't bother her. But it could be that she didn't believe it before. And that could change after listening to the voicemails. And seeing the pecker pictures.

I doubt this will distract the Vikings. It didn't distract Tiger.

This is starting to come across like that scene from Porky's:



"A police line-up so that
you can identify his tallywhacker."

"Please, please, can we call it a tallywhacker?"

Well, we can put hoods over their heads to avoid embarrassment.

Now, listen. We have got to do it, as distasteful as it is. I know it's him. That tallywhacker had a mole on it, and that mole is the key to it.

Miss Balbricker, do you realise the difficulty of your request? Now, I would be very happy to...to apprehend the young man myself, but imagine what the Board of Education would say if you were granted a line-up in order to examine their private pa... pa... pa...their... their... their...their private parts for an incriminating mole.


I think I have a way out of this. We call the police, and we have 'em send over one of their sketch artists. And Miss Balbricker can give a description.

Ex . Ac . Te . ment ! :lol: Good stuff.

[woodbuck27]

I was just tossin'......................


Isn't that what got Bert in trouble in the first place? :rs:

Now I get it!

Scott. Your offering to run the GOSSIP COLUMN here at Packerrats arn't you!?

All these years and I supposed you were a MALE.

Shit!

Am I confluxed and /or confused about you Scott?

Ever taken a gender analysis test, Scott? It's, I understand, painless.

That TEST... it might change your life. :roll:

[Scott Campbell]

I was just tossin'......................


Isn't that what got Bert in trouble in the first place? :rs:

Now I get it!



Nuthin gets by you Woody!


So did you listen to Bert's voicemail?

[woodbuck27]

Scott Cambell:

Are you ' a ghost writer ', among all your other talents? Isn't your name really ... Gary Myers? mmmmm ..... Couldn't be.

Well....maybe?? Let me see....

OK Scott your busted. The Gig is up. You've been exposed right here @ Packerrats. Well .... to not assume anything and therfore make a mistake in leaping. Now...maybe? .... this Gary Myers 'chipper' isn't you Scott; but in any case, I believe I've ' at least ' discovered ... ' your long lost twin ' Scott.

He's not quite a handsome fellow or maybe it's that he takes a poor photo. Why? ... I could be a tad mixed up or confused? .... is that ...this Myers fella ( I think he's MALE?) also ... has a lot to say that dirt bag slams Brett Favre.

Not like you Scott. This Gary Myers chappie, puts more than one or two sentences together, that amounts to a complete shit storm of anti - Brett Favre garbage out there.

Why? To attempt ( I assume ) to upset the shiny apple cart...that's ' the Brett Favre...Legend.
Some people don't have alot of more constructive things to do with their damned lives.

Also, I noticed that unlike you. He's not terribly funny. He's one of those writers that takes a decent script and piss's on it and re-writes the material before the ink dry's out.

Only ... joking ... with you Scott. :D

[woodbuck27]

Scott Cambell:

Are you ' a ghost writer ', among all your other talents? Isn't your name really ... Gary Myers? mmmmm ..... Couldn't be.

Well....maybe?? Let me see....

OK Scott your busted. The Gig is up. You've been exposed right here @ Packerrats. Well .... to not assume anything and therfore make a mistake in leaping. Now...maybe? .... this Gary Myers 'chipper' isn't you Scott; but in any case, I believe I've ' at least ' discovered ... ' your long lost twin ' Scott.

He's not quite a handsome fellow or maybe it's that he takes a poor photo. Why? ... I could be a tad mixed up or confused? .... is that ...this Myers fella ( I think he's MALE?) also ... has a lot to say that dirt bag slams Brett Favre.

Not like you Scott. This Gary Myers chappie, puts more than one or two sentences together, that amounts to a complete shit storm of anti - Brett Favre garbage out there.

Why? To attempt ( I assume ) to upset the shiny apple cart...that's ' the Brett Favre...Legend.
Some people don't have alot of more constructive things to do with their damned lives.

Also, I noticed that unlike you. He's not terribly funny. He's one of those writers that takes a decent script and piss's on it and re-writes the material before the ink dry's out.

Only ... joking ... with you Scott. :D

Got it..this ' Gary Myers ' fella .. Is ' a twister Mister '.

Not ' at all ' like you, Scott.

[Scott Campbell]

Would you mind identifying Favre's penis for us? :lol:

[woodbuck27]

I was just tossin'......................


Isn't that what got Bert in trouble in the first place? :rs:

Now I get it!



Nuthin gets by you Woody!


So did you listen to Bert's voicemail?

No Scott. I'm not 'so much' into ' his Mississippi drawl ' as I am into his

' Toughest Man in America ' athletic physique.

He's sturdy. Can't knock ' that good man down ' and keep him down. Brett Favre's ...' a beast '. T O U G H

That ... reminds me ... somehow ... of me.

Did you listen to that voice mail Scott? I'm more into ' the sultry feminine' and rather seductive voice myself.

Now ..that's just me, Scott.

[Scott Campbell]

Of course, I hail from ' the wilds of the Maritimes ' and us fellas get caught up in that sort of behaviour as often as we can ... and can also ... get away with it.


You jack off on your cell phone and send the pictures to young girls? Maybe that's ok in Canada, but I think it's pretty fucking creepy.

[woodbuck27]

Would you mind identifying Favre's penis for us? :lol:

Scott.

I elect Gary Myers for that assignment. He looks like 'the type' that would handle it.

Well ... maybe not competently !?

No! On second thought. Forget Gary Myers. Brett Favre would eat him up!

Did you read that clowns article written back in mid August? I'd like to twist and break his glass's. :)

[woodbuck27]

Of course, I hail from ' the wilds of the Maritimes ' and us fellas get caught up in that sort of behaviour as often as we can ... and can also ... get away with it.


You jack off on your cell phone and send the pictures to young girls? Maybe that's ok in Canada, but I think it's pretty fucking creepy.

Wow ! Scott be careful. Are you on your Med's?

We don't have cell phones up here yet. Well ... maybe we do? :D

[Scott Campbell]

Let this be a lesson to everyone. When somebody tries to tell you over and over again about what great character they possess, it's usually just a huge lie.

[Scott Campbell]

Of course, I hail from ' the wilds of the Maritimes ' and us fellas get caught up in that sort of behaviour as often as we can ... and can also ... get away with it.



So you're a liar. And a cheater. And proud of it?

Did you really just confess to being a complete piece of shit?

[mraynrand]

Ease up there, SC. In the future, sexting will be frowned upon...

"I've seen a part of myself no man should ever see" - James T. Kirk

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x113/Muselunara/Fake%20life%20pictures/captain-kirk-wtf.jpg

[Tarlam!]

Let this be a lesson to everyone. When somebody tries to tell you over and over again about what great character they possess, it's usually just a huge lie.

+!0000

[woodbuck27]

Let this be a lesson to everyone. When somebody tries to tell you over and over again about what great character they possess, it's usually just a huge lie.

+!0000

What is this? Like wrestling? I get it. The Tag Team approach..hahaa.

The Fabulous Duo Tag team of Tarlam! and Scott Campbell Vs

woodbuck27. Ohh Noo! What chance do I have?

Superman...Batman...or even Robin. Help !! Rescue me from these scary people.

[Scott Campbell]

Screaming Lord Byron drops back for the pass..............he's got a streaking Moss deep down the sideline.................


:lol:

[Freak Out]

Screaming Lord Byron drops back for the pass..............he's got a streaking Moss deep down the sideline.................


:lol:

http://www.packerpalace.com/palace04/moss-running.gif

[mission]

How does that thread get deleted?

[Scott Campbell]

How does that thread get deleted?


It's a mystery.


But man, it sure was fun while it lasted. That's the best time I've had in here in the last 2 years.

[falco]

Mystery solved. Check the garbage can.

[mission]

How does that thread get deleted?


It's a mystery.


But man, it sure was fun while it lasted. That's the best time I've had in here in the last 2 years.

You know Woody blew up Joe's inbox or something. Told him he'd get sued by Deanna and scared him into deleting it.

[Scott Campbell]

That is true but they wont NEED Rice when they have Moss he would just be a bonus. Moss deep, Shianco middle of the field, Harvin like a pinball and AP running like a truck with a VERY good defense...crown em.

Favre will have to be much better that he has been in the first three games. Their O-line hasn't been anything special either.

I'm not saying that adding Moss would not be a huge get for the Vikings and it would make me extremely nervous but like most of the teams in the NFL this year the Vikings have more than one concern. Adding Moss doesn't guarantee anything.

Adding Randy Moss gurantees nothing IMO, but alot!

A BIG STORY deserves a BIG Post ! :lol:

Having # 84 back in a Viking jersey is huge for that team and it's fans.

Gurantees ??

It gurantees that Brett Favre finally gets his desire met. FAVRE hooking up with a tremendously talented WR again! We did not want that. TT didn't want that in the scenario as it now exists. Funny how this story may come back to haunt TT forever?

A Gurantee?

It gurantees that Favre and the Vikings have arguably the best WR in the NFL. PackerTimer ! With the Vikings getting Randy Moss. That will gurantee two results, for sure.

a) A ' smile ' on Brett Favre's mug. :)

b) Then, ' a bigger smile ', on Brett Favre's mug. :D

Randy Moss is ' a lights out ' terrific WR. An extremely talented/gifted WR. If your missing 'that fact', the last three seasons ( anyone ) , your in need of some sort of adjustment. I suggest boxer shorts. If Randy Moss gets on the exact same page as Favre? Then look the hell out. The word that comes to mind is 'explosive'. The words . . . 'explosive combination'.

Brett Favre passing to Randy Moss ! Routes. Slants inside, down the middle and pulling up to come back to the ball and leaping catch's and hooking routes, and down the hash marks and long catch and running routes and deep !!! Touchdown! ...... Alot!

A brand new start for Randy Moss gets a real break on ' the Vikings ' team. A real good change is as good as any wonderful rest.

Brad Childress is no Bill Belichick in terms of ' laying on the wood ' as Belichick can; or sticking it to anyone that steps out of line or gets the least bit disruptive. That result too often in NE was ' in the Bill Belichick doghouse '.

How pleased is one of, ' our an almost ' absentee poster Rastak !? Rastak was in for a visit about ten days ago. Rastak has got to be so very happy to learn of this news?

Why?It's huge news! Impacting news !!

Do any Packerrats, realistically looking at this news, like it? If it doesn't concern you? Weigh in with all the present adversity. How well or high, is your balloon flying today?

This news isn't good for us! I might say that it ... SUCKS !! :idea:

Viking fans love it!

They now forsee some relief. Learning that Randy Moss is returning to ' his NFL roots'. It's unbelievable, as I see it's potential in terms of potential positive impact for that teams results. Especially the way that Brett Favre can utilize a receiver with the talent and pizzazz of Randy Moss. That 'the Vikings' managed to pull this blockbuster move off is very impresive.

I had them, very possibly out of it by November. Now at least they 'likely' manage to hang in there and get to an easier schedule, after surviving these next four weeks. If they come out of that portion of the schedule at 3W-4L? They're still good.

Something else I'm impressed with. Is this team has the power and motivation to 'at least try' to make a real move that's calculated to make a real difference.

Our teams GM, Ted Thompson !

I look for him to make a rather significant move very soon or his ass should be grass. Alot of Packer Nation eyes will be on TT now. The pressure is on Ted! This man is like a glacier. Slow ! Really ... really... slow ! Slow to get ' it ' done. Sometimes I wonder. Does TT really know what 'it' is?

Green Bay Packer fans. All of us ! Should desire a lot more than just making the playoff rounds anf bowing out. WE need to want or desire 'a Super Bowl Championship '. The same way Brett Favre always has. The way 'the Vikings Owner' and AP and Randy Moss and the rest of the Vikings will demonstrate that they do want and will pay 'the price for that want.

Do we have to wait nearly another 3 decades? Even ' the great Ted Thompson ' can have only so much rope. He's not supposed to tie himself up with it.

Three decades and maybe a longer wait !? Even Ted Thompson and/or Mike Murphy won't be around that long.

Randy Moss back in a Vikings jersey. It appears like a winning move to me, I also know how apppearances can turn out. In reality it's ' a wait and see '. Randy Moss ' can only be ' one, very big piece of the balance and whole that it takes.

Maybe, some really sick or rapid fan will take matters in hand and go all ape shit on Randy Moss and / or Brett Favre. I can't see Favre or Moss getting a great reception come Monday night in New York. (JETS)

There's also huge games coming up ' with us ', and ' the Pats ' for the Vikings ' on the road '. Not that that's any significant factor as we've witnessed the NFL game results this season to date.

Who's going to win a game. Maybe? Just flip a coin. Analysis has been extremely challenging. Any team can blow any game at home or play over their head on the road and win. I base that on a personal observation and results to date, Results that are challenging me moreso, then in the past in the Pro Pick'em.

Back to Randy Moss. Viking fans love it !

Other thoughts:

With the state of 'the Vikings' receiving corps and their #1 TE Shiancoe and Favre's only real threat on ' the limp ' and questionable for week five as I saw it two days ago. Besides that. An ON and a ' on and off ' Percy Harvin. V. Shiancoe is or was on ' the limp ' and possibly out for the MNF game Vs the Jets. Given that adversity or take that away.

The Vikings couldn't have made a more inspiring move for Brett Favre.

I can almost imagine reading 'the hate posts' now from those here, that havn't a clue about ' the karma ' factor. We don't need anymore bad luck Packerrats.

OK. So the Vikings got the star WR they needed so badly and ' all that ' right at this time of their need and adversity and their most challenging difficulty of schedule coming up over these next four weeks to boot.

Bill Belichick ??

Bill Belichick gave up a sweet gift to ' the team ' we need to overcome to win the NFCN. and 'only for a third'? When has he been so gratuitious? I don't get that.

Ohh! Is it this? :D

Maybe Belichick's trying to impress ' the NFL Commissioner ' as the ratings will be through the roof come this Monday night when ' the Jets ' host Brett Favre and Randy Moss (finally together) and ' the horse' Adrian Petersen and 'killer' Allen and ' the Big and Bad Williams Boys' and ...and ...and ! and ' the sleeping so far this season ', Minnesota Vikings. We were aware that for weeks Randy Moss was unhappy in his limited use in the Pat's offensive scheme.

Did any of you imagine that Brett Favre would get ' his wish list card ' fully punched?

The Vikings havn't looked all that great in terms of their offensive line and that fact may prevail. That result, sit Brett Favre on his ass more than he likes to prevent him setting up any decent play flow.

Looking at Randy Moss in Minnesota from just the factor he will add positively, to slow down the tide against the Vikings, Just, isn't a good thing for us. That move by Bill Belichick sucks for the Green Bay Packers BIG TIME.

This is a major coup for the Minnesota Vikings and should inspire both Randy Moss and Brett Favre. Neither one of those fellas needs inspiring. That combination plus all the other Viking tools should give them a realistic ' wish and a prayer chance ' to survive the next four weeks of their schedule. Moss's acquisition by the Vikings could mean bad news for all but the very best opposition 'D's.

Damn that Favre if he can't find a way. :D

He'll play another year now, if he doesn't get to and win the Super Bowl this season. Give any good man enough chances and the law of averages prevails. Brett Favre is a good man inspite of what many here at Packerrats judge differently.

Geee! Favre and certainly now. With ' his man ' Moss in the fold means a solid chance for another season of him wearing the ' Purple and Gold '.
That trade may cause Peyton Manning to shrug a wee bit. He may be thinking. Will Favre ever retire?

My next thought. Will Randy Moss be on the receiving end of Favre's 500th TD pass? Favre's next TD pass will be his 500th.

Yup ! Brett and Randy sharing supper.

How did that get 'to reality' Packerrats?

GO ' Ted Thompson ' ... GO!!

DO ... SOMETHING PLEASE !!

DO SOMETHING 'REALLY POSITIVE' for 'OUR TEAM's'... 'REAL CHANCES'.

good post


+1 :lol:

[mission]

Mystery solved. Check the garbage can.

Oh. Guess I've never requested access to that forum until now. At first I refreshed and it just told me I didn't have access. Didn't realize it was moved.

[Scott Campbell]

I wonder what the weather will be like at kickoff on Sunday?

[woodbuck27]

Of course, I hail from ' the wilds of the Maritimes ' and us fellas get caught up in that sort of behaviour as often as we can ... and can also ... get away with it.


You jack off on your cell phone and send the pictures to young girls? Maybe that's ok in Canada, but I think it's pretty fucking creepy.

Scott when I made that post I had not taken the time to pursue your latest slam or allegation Vs Brett Favre.

The last portion of this post was pure Canadian SARCASM.

Look where you took it and persoalized that (in terms referring to me).

This is what I mean about you and sickness Scott:


"You jack off on your cell phone and send the pictures to young girls? Maybe that's ok in Canada, but I think it's pretty fucking creepy." Scott Campbell

How do you think or imagine that post made me feel ? I couldn't make any connection to the Favre accusations as I had no knowledge then of such Scott.

I thought you were just losing it Scott. Scott! That post to me is creepy. What's wrong with YOU Scott?

Look at my initial response. I play off of you Scott or basically ignore the verascity of your post. I just don't get you and all your anger Scott.

[falco]

Careful, don't work Woody up into another lather or this thread will end up in the GC too.

[mission]

Of course, I hail from ' the wilds of the Maritimes ' and us fellas get caught up in that sort of behaviour as often as we can ... and can also ... get away with it.


You jack off on your cell phone and send the pictures to young girls? Maybe that's ok in Canada, but I think it's pretty fucking creepy.

Scott when I made that post I had not taken the time to pursue your latest slam or allegation Vs Brett Favre.

Sorry Woody, but that's hardly Scott's allegation. And Santa Claus isn't real.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Moss said, "I still have a lot of love for the Minnesota Vikings, man. Just luckily I did get traded here. For what reasons, I still don't know to this day. But I am back."

He doesn't know why he was traded? Really? He throws a fit in NE starts talking publicly about not being loved there, calls out the organization, reportedly has verbal altercations with Brady and the QB coach and also reportedly doesn't get along with the HC and he wonders why he was traded?

Must be nice to live in a world where you don't see any consequences for your actions.

[woodbuck27]

you know this wouldn't even be an issue if TT would have just given up a 4th or whatever it was a few years back to get moss in the first place

now that moves will once again haunt us

Yes I most certainly agree with you red but on merely an emotiomal basis can I agree. The facts RE: No MOss in Green Bay are as published recently in ' the Brandt article'. Randy Moss wanted his best deal. Randy Moss looked after Randy Moss and wanted only a one year deal. TT wanted to sign Moss to at least two years. Moss got his speculative contract from NE. Produce in that year and get his real value. He certainly produced in 2007.

Favre then had a contention with TT over that failure to acquire Randy Moss. We are aware of this from generalized statement (s) from articles published on NFL sites and specifically I read of Favre's criticisms (not specific content) in an article published and available in ** the NFL.Com archives ( search ...Brett Favre and start looking about page 14).

There are over 5000 articles RE: Favre in ** that one archive alone, as I re-call the number. Holy Favre !

The facts ( specifics) of that matter RE: Ted Thompson and Brett Favre and ' any specific words of dispute ( between Favre and Ted Thompson and any other team coach's) over Randy Moss going to ' the Pats ' and not us. Has not to my knowledge been made public.

We can only contend that that issue was ' the tipping point' that may have eventually led to Fvare leaving our team, as it transpired. I will not contend that 'in fact' that issue of us not getting Moss was the means to the end of Favre as a Green Bay Packer. There were more factors that led to Favre leaving. Favre himself is on record as claiming that both sides made errors but it is what it is and it's done.

Favre is on record as saying. In his way of understanding. Both sides have moved on or forward. IMO that is as it should be accepted by any NFL fan.

Sadly that has not been the case. Some fans allow their emotions to interfere with ' the reality ' of Favre in New York as a JET ( 2008 ) and now Minnesota as a Viking (2009-10)

Randy Moss got that next contract in 2008 and then was the time for TT to condider making an offer to Moss's agent. TT could have got Moss to sign an offer sheet for 2008 early as he was ' in fact ' a FA.

So again before the 2008 season. TT had a solid opportunity to make Brett Favre happy (not that, that was one of TT's prime considerations nor should it have been ) unless your the emotional fan looking at it from your emotional fan needs. :D

TT for whatever personal reason (s), bypassed that opportunity. Again we may speculate that may have annoid Brett Favre. Speculation = moot.

That has been a main contention of mine since that issue of Randy Moss possibly coming to us fr. 'the Raiders' came up. Brett Favre openly campaigned for TT to get Moss into a Packer jersey. That didn't transpire. That didn't transpire IMO because the cost to TT would have been too rich for him. Also we enjoyes an amazing season in 2007 as Favre connected better with his younf troupe of WR's and DD. Brett Favre was lights out good in 2007. Mr. Everyting hahaa :lol: and we were 13-3 and just missed getting to the Super Bowl.

That was .... A COLD DAY ! We should not have lost to the NY Giants but we did.

There is ' that fan emotion '. :D

Favre then had a contention with TT over that failure to acquire Randy Moss. We are only aware of this from a generalized statement (s) from articles published on NFL sites and specifically I read of Favre's criticisms in an article published and available in the NFL.Com archives (search ...Brett Favre )

The facts of that matter RE: Ted Thompson and Brett Favre and ' any specific words of dispute ( between Favre and Ted Thompson and any other team coach's) over Moss going to ' the Pats ' and not us. Has not to my knowledge been made public.

We can only contend that that issue was ' the tipping point' that may have eventually led to Fvare leaving our team, as it transpired. I will not contend that 'in fact' that issue of us not getting Moss was the means to the end of Favre as a Green Bay Packer. There were more factors that led to Favre leaving. Favre himself is on record as claiming that both sides made errors but it is what it is and it's done.

Favre is on record as saying. In his way of understanding. Both sides have moved on or forward. IMO that is as it should be accepted by any NFL fan.

Sadly that has not been the case. Some fans allow their emotions to interfere with ' the reality ' of Favre in New York as a JET ( 2008 ) and now Minnesota as a Viking (2009-10)

I can produce an article (s) that specifically allude to this:

If TT had secured Randy Moss in 2007. Favre would have returned after we came so close to a Super Bowl berth in 2007. I won't necessarily say that would have been the case as without Randy Moss in Green Bay in 2007. That specuation of Brett Favre and Packers in 2008 is moot.

I believe overall RE: Favre and gone! TT had a concern to deal with RE: Aaron Rodgers being ready and ' of course ' anxious to be OUR starting QB. TT had to sign Aaron Rodgers to a new contract as well and it just fir to give him money relative to a NFL starting QB. With Fvare back in 2008 as MM said was the desire of ' the powers to be'. Thus holding back Aaron Rodgers. I felt ( feel) that the best case scenario for ' the then and immediate future' was satisfied in Favre leaving.

It was Aaron Rodgers time. I am on record several times posting that I was glad that Brett Favre got out of Green Bay at the time he did. I made my own observations and felt he had to be frustrated with Ted Thompson but was that a fact? I really can't say for sure. Any such stance onmy part would be pure speculation and that based on the frustrations I felt as a Packer fan and TT's ways.

I'm just a Packer fan.

Favre is Favre and Ted Thompson is all himself. I can't read Ted Thompson.

After yesterday I'm not positive who Brett Favre is either.

I do know he's (Favfre's) sure provided me with some good and bad entertainment since 1992. I'm not always REAL happy with Bret Favre. I handle him and in respect to what I desire as a fan based in tthe fact he's a mere human being. Just lik the rest of us.

Favre since Green Bay:

What Brett Favre did with his career since. I am on record posting that was entirely ' Favre's business '. Brett Favre is a professional athlete and football, his profession. He has proven productive since Green Bay and his resume is solid. Brett Favre is emplyed as a starting QB for the Minnesota Vikings

He has remained for hire. It's to me to this Packer and NFL fan...

' just ' that simple. :D

GO PACKERS!

[Scott Campbell]

I wonder how long we'll be seeing Moss catch passes from Bert now that there are calls for his suspension from respected members of the national media if the investigation confirms he's a complete sleezeball.

[falco]

:talk:

[woodbuck27]

How long before Favre and Moss get on the same page? Other than Shiancoe, Favre hasn't been clicking with his offense from last year, and now they bring in a new element. I suspect it will be a few weeks before Moss can make a consistent impact, although just having him in the game and running deep might help them.

This isn't the first time NE let go of a player, and everyone wondered why. Somehow it never seems to hurt them.

It probably would take 2-3 weeks. Moss does have the advantage of being able to go up and get balls so it's possible to chuck it up without having that chemistry.

As for NE, yea what's up with that? They are good at trading some of their better players and not sinking. I think they missed Seymour though.
Hi Rastak. :D

Congratulations Viking fan. You fella's needed a move like getting Randy Moss. Only time will tell us NFL fans how great or not that move was. By all I'm reading Randy Moss was entirely respected and liked in New England. Some reports said otherwise but they have been contradicted by the people most important ... RE: THE KNOW. ie Teammates of Randy Moss's and NE GM and HC Bill Belichick.

I believe this. It will take a few games but Moss will want to do really well in 2010 to set up another solid contract. He's still an elite WR in the NFL. Favre will get him the ball.

The questions I have Rastak:

a) will your OL protect Brett Favre over the next four game stretch that will possibly be the tide that makes or breaks the Vikings?

You fella's need a split there at least ( sit at 3-4) or your in some real trouble.

b) What are you learning about your OL that is possibly going to improve it's performance?

c) Alot of speculation surrounds the Viking OL weakness and Favre getting knocked out. What might the impact be on the Vikings if Favre gets injured and you go to your backup QB, specifically related to the next few games and acuiring Randy Moss??

GO PACK GO!

[Scott Campbell]

Scott. Your offering to run the GOSSIP COLUMN here at Packerrats arn't you!?


Gossip?


Really???????


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/brett-favre-jenn-sterger-allegations-should-be-resolved-by-nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-100810

[woodbuck27]

i don't see how this is anything but an outstanding move by minnesota. they were already all in, we all knew that. now they just sent a 4th round pick(no big deal imo) for one of, if not THE best wr in the nfl.

Not that it matters a lot, but I think it is a 3rd, not a 4th round pick.

Moss is still a good receiver and should fill a need for the Vikings; but I don't consider him the best by any means.

Is Childress coach enough to deal with Moss? Will the "Randy Ratio" return? Has Moss matured? This could be a very good thing for the Vikings, but it also might not be all roses.

Moss wasn't the problem you may think he was Patler. For your book of knowledge there's this:

Patriots GM and HC Bill Belichick speaks on the Randy Moss trade

There was never any incident or discipline problem with Randy. Bilichick and Pats players defend Moss's attitude and effort.


http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2010/10/07/patriots-coach-bill-belichick-speaks-on-the-moss-trade-there-was-never-any-incident-or-discipline-problem-with-randy/

and this:

In Defense Of Randy Moss

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1287488&srvc=blog

GO PACKERS!

[Scott Campbell]

Moss wasn't the problem you may think he was Patler. For your book of knowledge there's this:



http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/07/welker-alludes-to-moss-leadership-problem/

[Scott Campbell]

I am concerned for Favre and his family and he will be innoscent as far as I'm concerned ...until properly found guilty or admits guilt. woodbuck27



Do you really think there's going to be a trial?

[woodbuck27]

Moss said, "I still have a lot of love for the Minnesota Vikings, man. Just luckily I did get traded here. For what reasons, I still don't know to this day. But I am back."

He doesn't know why he was traded? Really? He throws a fit in NE starts talking publicly about not being loved there, calls out the organization, reportedly has verbal altercations with Brady and the QB coach and also reportedly doesn't get along with the HC and he wonders why he was traded?

Must be nice to live in a world where you don't see any consequences for your actions.

Sorrry man but your mistaken.

Scan up a post or two and you'll discover that the stuff your basing your opinions on are incorrect. Moss got along well in New England and the record to date proves support for that 'as a fact'.

His HC for 'the Pats' Bill Belichick and his teammated do not support that Randy Moss was anything but a solid Patriot. Inmbelieve that Moss was expendable based inthe fact that NE may be looking ahead to that clubs future and felt that it was smart to move Randy Moss to place him in a venue that would be good for him and also allow his needs for a future contract to be met.

It turns out the Belichick and Randy Moss spoke to one another and overall the result was the trade to 'the Vikings'for a 3rd round pick.

Everyone gets 'to happy' that's involved in that transaction. Sometimes it does turn out that way. Even today where we live in a world that is so cynical and not as bright as some of us wish it was and hope it will be. :D

I hope this helps your understanding of what's real and true Vs false.

Have a great weekend.

GO PACK GO !

[MadtownPacker]

How does that thread get deleted?


It's a mystery.


But man, it sure was fun while it lasted. That's the best time I've had in here in the last 2 years.

You know Woody blew up Joe's inbox or something. Told him he'd get sued by Deanna and scared him into deleting it.Fuck SC, Woody and Mission if they wanna sink the ship cuz all signs point the way Im sad to say. Im mean WTF is it really that entertaining? The thread in the GC has this shit all day, Why not hit that spot? This thread is legit cuz that skinny MFer will be a concern to the Pack DBs. Dont get it tossed like a little bitch.

As for moss, he is a degenerate and had no place amongst the likely snooty whiteys in Boston. Where a Macys magazine coverboy wannabe like brady gets loved to death moss is treated like a black guy you saw last night on America's Most Wanted. A terrible example especially when compared with the token hard working White WR aka Great White Hope Wes Welker.

Im not saying moss' beliefs are true if this is what they where, I just believe he didn't feel like he fit in for whatever reason. My scenario is possibly one of them.

[woodbuck27]

Scott. Your offering to run the GOSSIP COLUMN here at Packerrats arn't you!?


Gossip?


Really???????


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/brett-favre-jenn-sterger-allegations-should-be-resolved-by-nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-100810

I'm ignoring you Scott. :arrow: Take a REST please.

GO PACK GO!

[Scott Campbell]

This has been an ugly ...UGLY day for me @ Packerrats in terms of the possible Brett Favre scandal having a foundation of TRUTH.



This is the best portion of a post I've seen you make on this. Obviously you and I feel very different about this news. But then there is issue of the news itself. And that stands alone, apart from how you and I feel about it. And it deserves to be here, as it's relevant to the Packer season.

[Scott Campbell]

Im mean WTF is it really that entertaining?


The league is investigating it. People are calling for his suspension if the allegations are legit. And the Vikings who are on are schedule twice yet the season look a lot different with T-Jack behind center than Bert.

I'm sorry if real news makes you uncomfortable. But it's relevant to the Packers.

[woodbuck27]

How does that thread get deleted?


It's a mystery.


But man, it sure was fun while it lasted. That's the best time I've had in here in the last 2 years.

You know Woody blew up Joe's inbox or something. Told him he'd get sued by Deanna and scared him into deleting it.Fuck SC, Woody and Mission if they wanna sink the ship cuz all signs point the way Im sad to say. Im mean WTF is it really that entertaining? The thread in the GC has this shit all day, Why not hit that spot? This thread is legit cuz that skinny MFer will be a concern to the Pack DBs. Dont get it tossed like a little bitch.

As for moss, he is a degenerate and had no place amongst the likely snooty whiteys in Boston. Where a Macys magazine coverboy wannabe like brady gets loved to death moss is treated like a black guy you saw last night on America's Most Wanted. A terrible example especially when compared with the token hard working White WR aka Great White Hope Wes Welker.

Im not saying moss' beliefs are true if this is what they where, I just believe he didn't feel like he fit in for whatever reason. My scenario is possibly one of them.

Hi Mad.

With all respect for you Mad. Don't imagine I'm in the same place as SC. You know the history and he'll never change. I"m ignoring his ways Mad. That puts me in a ... :D happy place :D man.

Good to see you post here Mad and I hope the LIFE is treating you 'just' great. :D

GO PACK GO !

[Scott Campbell]

I"m ignoring his ways Mad. That puts me in a ... :D happy place :D man.



So now you're going to act like I started this? After you tried to taunt me in this very thread about who laughs last?

Come on Woody.

[mraynrand]

If you boys can't play nice, I'm going to have to bring out my strongly-worded, safe-for-prime-time reprimand. Don't make me do it!

http://thebradybunchblog.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/mike_brady.jpg

[Scott Campbell]

Woody's rah rah Randy bit would be getting pretty old if it hadn't been for Bert coming through.

[Patler]

i don't see how this is anything but an outstanding move by minnesota. they were already all in, we all knew that. now they just sent a 4th round pick(no big deal imo) for one of, if not THE best wr in the nfl.

Not that it matters a lot, but I think it is a 3rd, not a 4th round pick.

Moss is still a good receiver and should fill a need for the Vikings; but I don't consider him the best by any means.

Is Childress coach enough to deal with Moss? Will the "Randy Ratio" return? Has Moss matured? This could be a very good thing for the Vikings, but it also might not be all roses.

Moss wasn't the problem you may think he was Patler. For your book of knowledge there's this:

Patriots GM and HC Bill Belichick speaks on the Randy Moss trade

There was never any incident or discipline problem with Randy. Bilichick and Pats players defend Moss's attitude and effort.


http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2010/10/07/patriots-coach-bill-belichick-speaks-on-the-moss-trade-there-was-never-any-incident-or-discipline-problem-with-randy/

and this:

In Defense Of Randy Moss

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1287488&srvc=blog

GO PACKERS!

Did I say he was a problem in NE? Nope, I didn't. Why are you reading that into it? You missed the point completely, Woody.

I simply asked a few questions:

"Is Childress coach enough to deal with Moss?" (Obviously, Bellicheck was.)
"Will the "Randy Ratio" return?" They had it when he last played in MN.
"Has Moss matured?" (If he has, things will be different)

I then concluded that, based on the answers to those questions, "This could be a very good thing for the Vikings, but it also might not be all roses."

When we last saw Moss in MN, he complained about not getting the ball enough (not necessarily unusual for WRs). At one time this resulted in the talk of a "Randy Ratio", which I thought was a poor approach by the coaches. Moss admitted to loafing through plays he would not be involved in. He walked off the field before a game was done. He had other acts of immaturity.

The loafing got worse in Oakland, according to reports.

Moss has been different in NE, until his little incident at the start of the season.
Was this due to Bellechik or did Moss mature?
Will Moss be motivated, or will he complain about a new contract?

I will say it again:

This could be a very good thing for the Vikings, but it also might not be all roses. I don't think anything is guaranteed with Moss. As one Viking Player put it:



As Silver quoted one unnamed Viking saying, "I think it's all or nothing. It's either the missing piece and we go all the way, or Moss takes on Chilly and this thing blows up by the end of October. There's no C grade on this one. It'll either be an A or an F."

[pbmax]

i don't see how this is anything but an outstanding move by minnesota. they were already all in, we all knew that. now they just sent a 4th round pick(no big deal imo) for one of, if not THE best wr in the nfl.

Not that it matters a lot, but I think it is a 3rd, not a 4th round pick.

Moss is still a good receiver and should fill a need for the Vikings; but I don't consider him the best by any means.

Is Childress coach enough to deal with Moss? Will the "Randy Ratio" return? Has Moss matured? This could be a very good thing for the Vikings, but it also might not be all roses.

Moss wasn't the problem you may think he was Patler. For your book of knowledge there's this:

Patriots GM and HC Bill Belichick speaks on the Randy Moss trade

There was never any incident or discipline problem with Randy. Bilichick and Pats players defend Moss's attitude and effort.


http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2010/10/07/patriots-coach-bill-belichick-speaks-on-the-moss-trade-there-was-never-any-incident-or-discipline-problem-with-randy/

and this:

In Defense Of Randy Moss

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1287488&srvc=blog

GO PACKERS!
Considering that NFL head coaches have flat lied to the press for years, I put more stock in the contemporaneous accounts of Moss' behavior than in Belicheck's washing of his sins after a trade. After all, Belicheck has to face him later this year.

Belicheck himself has a cluttered history of lying and failing to follow rules, so his word is not exactly golden.

People in the know, ie people who witnessed the confrontations and Moss himself, have reported the incidents and Moss himself acknowledged having to talk to Belicheck himself about one outburst after the Week 1 game.

If Moss presented no problems of this sort, there would be no reason to trade him.

[MadtownPacker]

BREAKING NEWS!!!

Belicheat was pissed cuz moss borrowed his hoody sweater without asking! Said it didnt smell the same afterward.

[MadtownPacker]

Im mean WTF is it really that entertaining?


The league is investigating it. People are calling for his suspension if the allegations are legit. And the Vikings who are on are schedule twice yet the season look a lot different with T-Jack behind center than Bert.

I'm sorry if real news makes you uncomfortable. But it's relevant to the Packers.Fuck you fool, you know what I meant so dont try to spin it. Talking about moss is legit, talking about Favre in the favre thread is legit. You and Woody going back and forth like some fucking school girls is just stupid. That is what is not entertaining, it is the same tired BS. Cant you fucking ignore him and Woody if you are being a saint why the fuck are you even responding to SC??? if this was face to face it would be like you both coming inot a room we are all talking in and taking a big crap right there. I dont wanna smell it and I bet several others feel the same.

[Scott Campbell]

Talking about moss is legit, talking about Favre in the favre thread is legit.



Oh my god. Were talking about both of them in the same thread? You'd think they're both on the same team or something.

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Scott Campbell]

Belicheat was pissed


Bill in the Moss thread? Don't you dare!

[pbmax]

When we last saw Moss in MN, he complained about not getting the ball enough (not necessarily unusual for WRs). At one time this resulted in the talk of a "Randy Ratio", which I thought was a poor approach by the coaches. Moss admitted to loafing through plays he would not be involved in. He walked off the field before a game was done. He had other acts of immaturity.

The loafing got worse in Oakland, according to reports.

Moss has been different in NE, until his little incident at the start of the season.
Was this due to Bellechik or did Moss mature?
Will Moss be motivated, or will he complain about a new contract?
The difference according to reports is that Moss respected Belicheck, but did not hold the assistant coaches in the same regard. As you mention, a lot depends on how Chilldress handles the situation.

But as for maturing, his opponents have said on more than one occasion that he still takes plays off. You could see him taking plays off in the game versus the Dolphins. In fact, it seems that it went so far that when the Patriots went five wide, there was a TE and a RB in the pattern, but no Moss. One opposing player said this helped tip defenses off to the coming play.

He may very well be the difference maker in Minnesota, but it will not be because he changed.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Moss said, "I still have a lot of love for the Minnesota Vikings, man. Just luckily I did get traded here. For what reasons, I still don't know to this day. But I am back."

He doesn't know why he was traded? Really? He throws a fit in NE starts talking publicly about not being loved there, calls out the organization, reportedly has verbal altercations with Brady and the QB coach and also reportedly doesn't get along with the HC and he wonders why he was traded?

Must be nice to live in a world where you don't see any consequences for your actions.

Sorrry man but your mistaken.

Scan up a post or two and you'll discover that the stuff your basing your opinions on are incorrect. Moss got along well in New England and the record to date proves support for that 'as a fact'.

His HC for 'the Pats' Bill Belichick and his teammated do not support that Randy Moss was anything but a solid Patriot. Inmbelieve that Moss was expendable based inthe fact that NE may be looking ahead to that clubs future and felt that it was smart to move Randy Moss to place him in a venue that would be good for him and also allow his needs for a future contract to be met.

It turns out the Belichick and Randy Moss spoke to one another and overall the result was the trade to 'the Vikings'for a 3rd round pick.

Everyone gets 'to happy' that's involved in that transaction. Sometimes it does turn out that way. Even today where we live in a world that is so cynical and not as bright as some of us wish it was and hope it will be. :D

I hope this helps your understanding of what's real and true Vs false.

Have a great weekend.

GO PACK GO !

I do not believe I am mistaken. Moss publically called out the Pats organization for not giving him a contract extention after their game 1 win, that's a fact.

He apparently wanted out of the Pats since that time, per Welker.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/category/_/name/pats-players-reaction-to-moss-trade

The telling quote:
Welker was asked about reports that Moss had wanted out, asking to be traded.

“I think that was kind of the difficult thing, just because he was the guy giving the pep talks before games and halftime, and after the game,” Welker said. “Not knowing he wanted to be traded the whole time was a little bit disappointing. At the same time, he’s doing what’s best for him. It’s a business. You just have to roll with it.”

Welker seems to have found out that Moss wanted out this whole time.

Other sources dispute that there were issues in the locker room.

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5655198&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_5655198

So there were issues with Randy and the Pats ownership and coaches, otherwise the trade would not have happened. If everything was great, there would never have been a trade.

So I don't believe I'm mistaken one bit.

I hope this post helps you see fact from fiction

Have a good weekend.

[Scott Campbell]

When we last saw Moss in MN, he complained about not getting the ball enough (not necessarily unusual for WRs). At one time this resulted in the talk of a "Randy Ratio", which I thought was a poor approach by the coaches. Moss admitted to loafing through plays he would not be involved in. He walked off the field before a game was done. He had other acts of immaturity.

The loafing got worse in Oakland, according to reports.

Moss has been different in NE, until his little incident at the start of the season.
Was this due to Bellechik or did Moss mature?
Will Moss be motivated, or will he complain about a new contract?
The difference according to reports is that Moss respected Belicheck, but did not hold the assistant coaches in the same regard. As you mention, a lot depends on how Chilldress handles the situation.

But as for maturing, his opponents have said on more than one occasion that he still takes plays off. You could see him taking plays off in the game versus the Dolphins. In fact, it seems that it went so far that when the Patriots went five wide, there was a TE and a RB in the pattern, but no Moss. One opposing player said this helped tip defenses off to the coming play.

He may very well be the difference maker in Minnesota, but it will not be because he changed.

He takes plays off, but they're not random plays off. He's playing to get paid now. In NE he was playing to get traded. I expect he'll have his shit together.

[pbmax]

When we last saw Moss in MN, he complained about not getting the ball enough (not necessarily unusual for WRs). At one time this resulted in the talk of a "Randy Ratio", which I thought was a poor approach by the coaches. Moss admitted to loafing through plays he would not be involved in. He walked off the field before a game was done. He had other acts of immaturity.

The loafing got worse in Oakland, according to reports.

Moss has been different in NE, until his little incident at the start of the season.
Was this due to Bellechik or did Moss mature?
Will Moss be motivated, or will he complain about a new contract?
The difference according to reports is that Moss respected Belicheck, but did not hold the assistant coaches in the same regard. As you mention, a lot depends on how Chilldress handles the situation.

But as for maturing, his opponents have said on more than one occasion that he still takes plays off. You could see him taking plays off in the game versus the Dolphins. In fact, it seems that it went so far that when the Patriots went five wide, there was a TE and a RB in the pattern, but no Moss. One opposing player said this helped tip defenses off to the coming play.

He may very well be the difference maker in Minnesota, but it will not be because he changed.

He takes plays off, but they're not random plays off. He's playing to get paid now. In NE he was playing to get traded. I expect he'll have his shit together.
He didn't manage that in NE for the first four games of his contract year. He is the same player. He reacted poorly because it became apparent that NE was not going to extend him. I think if the contract issue stays the same, he will play the same. He will still be close to All World when his number is called, otherwise, he'll be loafing.

[woodbuck27]

This has been an ugly ...UGLY day for me @ Packerrats in terms of the possible Brett Favre scandal having a foundation of TRUTH.

This is the best portion of a post I've seen you make on this. Obviously you and I feel very different about this news. But then there is issue of the news itself. And that stands alone, apart from how you and I feel about it. And it deserves to be here, as it's relevant to the Packer season.

NO Scott. Absolutely NO.

There is ' no place ' for that defamatory content in this section of Packerrats or in my opinion, any section of Packerrats.

I'll explain to you the best I can. Why I believe this is the case Scott Campbell?

It's flaming and in terms related to the principle parties RE: your or anyone else's here at Packerrats. This issue with Brett Favre specifically related to the Deadspin release:

Is accusing and / or defamatory.

PACKERRATS is more important than ........ you.

The reputation of PACKERRATS is more important than ......you.

Also. Your going to risk ruining a decent thread if you continue.

[woodbuck27]

Im mean WTF is it really that entertaining?


The league is investigating it. People are calling for his suspension if the allegations are legit. And the Vikings who are on are schedule twice yet the season look a lot different with T-Jack behind center than Bert.

I'm sorry if real news makes you uncomfortable. But it's relevant to the Packers.Fuck you fool, you know what I meant so dont try to spin it. Talking about moss is legit, talking about Favre in the favre thread is legit. You and Woody going back and forth like some fucking school girls is just stupid. That is what is not entertaining, it is the same tired BS. Cant you fucking ignore him and Woody if you are being a saint why the fuck are you even responding to SC??? if this was face to face it would be like you both coming inot a room we are all talking in and taking a big crap right there. I dont wanna smell it and I bet several others feel the same.

Mad.

I have posted Scott Campbell RE: this matter for the LAST time.

I'm trying to help him Mad. Believe just that Mad. I care about this man whoever he is, but he has to now. Help himself. I'm done with him and that. :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: OUT! :D

[gex]

Campell hasn't just ruined this thread, He has brought this whole forum down with his idiotic obsessions and posting like a 12 year old.
IMO he has chased many a good poster away from this site.

[mission]

Both of you guys need to relax a bit on the junior high school stuff. A little shit here and there is funny but otherwise it borders on Ty / Partial territory, and that just takes away from the content.


Campell hasn't just ruined this thread, He has brought this whole forum down with his idiotic obsessions and posting like a 12 year old.
IMO he has chased many a good poster away from this site.

Not that I'm a complete angel but you've definitely had your 12 year old moments.

As far as the Brett Favre stuff. PackerRats "reputation" is not important. If it was, we'd have an actual website and would allow new users to register. It's news in the NFL right now, it will affect the Vikings / Favre in *some* way. Just because it shines negatively on the hero of some doesn't make it any less worthy of a thread.

The site is what it is and I think it has a large percentage of the knowledgeable online Packer diehards. I think it's great, I like most of you guys. I get a lot of laughs here and a lot of good Packer talk. Don't like it, go somewhere else.

Like a Vikings forum.

[Scott Campbell]

Campell hasn't just ruined this thread, He has brought this whole forum down with his idiotic obsessions and posting like a 12 year old.
IMO he has chased many a good poster away from this site.


I think it's high time we reconcile gex. I've always admired the cut of your jib. Consider this my olive branch to you.

And we could really use your unique perspective over in the OFFICIAL FAVRE SEX SCANDAL ROCKS THE SPORTS WORLD thread.

[swede]

Campell hasn't just ruined this thread, He has brought this whole forum down with his idiotic obsessions and posting like a 12 year old.
IMO he has chased many a good poster away from this site.


I think it's high time we reconcile gex. I've always admired the cut of your jib. Consider this my olive branch to you.
.

Scott, we have told you how we feel about your chasing the other posters with idiotic obsessions, and yet here we are again.

[woodbuck27]

i don't see how this is anything but an outstanding move by minnesota. they were already all in, we all knew that. now they just sent a 4th round pick(no big deal imo) for one of, if not THE best wr in the nfl.

Not that it matters a lot, but I think it is a 3rd, not a 4th round pick.

Moss is still a good receiver and should fill a need for the Vikings; but I don't consider him the best by any means.

Is Childress coach enough to deal with Moss? Will the "Randy Ratio" return? Has Moss matured? This could be a very good thing for the Vikings, but it also might not be all roses.

Moss wasn't the problem you may think he was Patler. For your book of knowledge there's this:

Patriots GM and HC Bill Belichick speaks on the Randy Moss trade

There was never any incident or discipline problem with Randy. Bilichick and Pats players defend Moss's attitude and effort.


http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2010/10/07/patriots-coach-bill-belichick-speaks-on-the-moss-trade-there-was-never-any-incident-or-discipline-problem-with-randy/

and this:

In Defense Of Randy Moss

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1287488&srvc=blog

GO PACKERS!

Did I say he was a problem in NE? Nope, I didn't. Why are you reading that into it? You missed the point completely, Woody.

I simply asked a few questions:

"Is Childress coach enough to deal with Moss?" (Obviously, Bellicheck was.)
"Will the "Randy Ratio" return?" They had it when he last played in MN.
"Has Moss matured?" (If he has, things will be different)

I then concluded that, based on the answers to those questions, "This could be a very good thing for the Vikings, but it also might not be all roses."

When we last saw Moss in MN, he complained about not getting the ball enough (not necessarily unusual for WRs). At one time this resulted in the talk of a "Randy Ratio", which I thought was a poor approach by the coaches. Moss admitted to loafing through plays he would not be involved in. He walked off the field before a game was done. He had other acts of immaturity.

The loafing got worse in Oakland, according to reports.

Moss has been different in NE, until his little incident at the start of the season.
Was this due to Bellechik or did Moss mature?
Will Moss be motivated, or will he complain about a new contract?

I will say it again:

This could be a very good thing for the Vikings, but it also might not be all roses. I don't think anything is guaranteed with Moss. As one Viking Player put it:



As Silver quoted one unnamed Viking saying, "I think it's all or nothing. It's either the missing piece and we go all the way, or Moss takes on Chilly and this thing blows up by the end of October. There's no C grade on this one. It'll either be an A or an F."

Hi Patler:

First of all. The trade this week of Randy Moss (RM) to Minnesota for a third round pick and it's possible impact for New England's future:

The Pat's got a third from Minny, rather than a compensatory pick or maybe? a 5th rounder, if they had not awarded Moss a contract. Of course Moss wants a solid contract as it may be his last? So NE did the logical thing or made a trade. All parties seem happy as this trade works out.

In NE's offense. Randy Moss was used primarily as a threat stretching the field. Having him on the LOS makes the NE offense more predictable. It's reported that Randy Moss doesn't fit into a running game as well as NE desires for their future offensive schemes.

That is the reason RM was granted a trade and went to Minny. He's happy to retrurn to Minny. Home to RM.

Legitimate reports' certainly secure us this knowledge:

That trade had nothing to do with RM and wanting a contract (NOW!) or tirade's / distractions to the Pats over 'any issue'. Randy Moss was a solid NE Patriot and was respected and liked by the NE Patriots.

“Organizationally, we’ve had conversations and obviously are comfortable with the trade,” Bill Belichick

“We wish Randy the absolute best. He’s been a player I’ve had a good relationship with. He’s very honest, when I’ve asked him questions about football and personnel and things like that. He’s been very helpful to me personally. He’s been very professional and I think a good teammate and a good contributing member of this team.... " Bill Belichick

Legitimate reports' certainly secure us this knowledge:

“I’ll just say that Randy was really a pleasure to coach,” Bill Belichick

“There was never any incident or discipline problem with Randy.” Bill Belichick

“I enjoyed having him on our team. He made a lot of contributions to this football team. When I spoke with Randy yesterday morning, the conversations were consistent with what they’ve been for the last four years – honest, open, very forthright. We talked about a lot of things that I’ll keep between Randy and myself. In the end, it was a difficult decision, but one that I feel is in the best interest of the football team. " Bill Belichick

Evidently:

The NE offense 'of late' doesn't favor RM and him getting as many looks as he once did. He's therefore not being utilized in their offense as often as he'd like in terms related to his need to produce. Randy Moss wants to impress as a top WR in the NFL. ' Randy Moss and production', allows his agent the argument for a larger new contract. This new contract may be RM's last?

So everybody wins in this trade. It would appear that RM may be a perfect fit in Minny.

Patler:

I agree with you that RM has demonstrated behaviour in his past that is distracting. Which RM shows up in a Vikings uniform remains for all NFL fans to determine. In fact now that you re-post I see that you and I are exactly on the same page in terms 'all related' to this trade.

Personal comment. RE: Members at Packerrats that want to judge me as a member that is estatic over RM in Minny. I make this rebuttal and not that I need to defend myself before some of you but out of respect for the membership as a whole:

That trade of Randy Moss to Minny. One overall view from me:

* It is what it is. We read that sentence here at Packerrats. ALOT. :D

* A solid trade that offers some uniqness related to ' the fact ' that everybody wins in terms of one word. POTENTIAL. Potential in terms of NE's plan always to build to the future. They have been the most successful organization in the NFL (in terms of wins) based on such prudent moves as this Randy Moss trade.

The potential that Moss offers the Vikings looks overall good. He wants to produce to help msecure a new contract that will allow him the highest earnings possible.He doesn't get that done now in NE as their in a transition offensively.

I expect that, ' the Minnesota Vikings ' are delighted to have the services of a WR such as Randy Moss is. A man that has cleaned up his act in NE or matured. That is the line on Randy Moss today Packer fans. Try to change that fact ad you may? You'd be pissing in the wind as I'd see it. :lol:

Randy Moss still has game. He's still rated among the top WR's in the NFL and his stock value has grown as he'll be a better fit in the Vikings offense. POTENTIALLY.

I see this trade as excellent for both the NE Patriots. The Pat's secured a 3rd round pick or better than they would have secured not trading RM.

RM in Minny, offers that team, in terms of what we saw prior to that trade. More ' potential ' on offense. I'm not here to comment on RM and any good or bad thing arguments. I'm not estatic that RM is now in a Viking jersey. That trade 'merely' threatens to make 'the Vikings' stronger. That's too obvious. What Randy Moss actually brings to the Viking team remains to be seen.

It will be what it will be Packer fans. Nothing but that. :D

GO PACK GO!

[Patler]

It's reported that Randy Moss doesn't fit into a running game as well as NE desires for their future offensive schemes.

(redacted)

So everybody wins in this trade. It would appear that RM may be a perfect fit in Minny.


I quoted only two sentences so as to shorten the response, and I don't think it results in seeing anything out of context, because I believe each statement stands on its own. If I am wrong I apologize.

I think these two statements are contradictory, and are exactly why I am not so certain in the success of this trade for the Vikings. MN should be a run-focused, Peterson-showcasing offense. He is their best weapon. If Moss didn't fit NE's style of offense, how can he fit the Vikings', which should be even more run-focused than NE's? Success of the trade will depend on Moss himself.

As to Belichick's comments, he said only what I would expect him to say whether or not there had been a problem with Moss.

[woodbuck27]

Both of you guys need to relax a bit on the junior high school stuff. A little shit here and there is funny but otherwise it borders on Ty / Partial territory, and that just takes away from the content.


Campell hasn't just ruined this thread, He has brought this whole forum down with his idiotic obsessions and posting like a 12 year old.
IMO he has chased many a good poster away from this site.

Not that I'm a complete angel but you've definitely had your 12 year old moments.

As far as the Brett Favre stuff. PackerRats "reputation" is not important. If it was, we'd have an actual website and would allow new users to register. It's news in the NFL right now, it will affect the Vikings / Favre in *some* way. Just because it shines negatively on the hero of some doesn't make it any less worthy of a thread.

The site is what it is and I think it has a large percentage of the knowledgeable online Packer diehards. I think it's great, I like most of you guys. I get a lot of laughs here and a lot of good Packer talk. Don't like it, go somewhere else.

Like a Vikings forum.

" Don't like it, go somewhere else. Like a Vikings forum " mission

mission: Are you addressing that to me? woodbuck27 mission?? Are you mission, suggesting that I join a Minnesotsa Vikings forum?

I sincerely TRUST that's not the case mission.

ALSO mission:

Please. mission, don't wrap me up in any package related to:

Scott Campbell . I don't know Scott Campbell. I don't ever imagine knowing this persona we see post here as Scott Campbell; would ever even allow that. The persona Scott Campbell is one I personally am aware of fully. I'm nothing like him. No insult intended Scott Campbell. It's a certain TRUTH. :idea: I've offered a better way, Scott Campbell. You ignore that.

I'm overall a positive contributor to Packerrats. I've always debated on certain grounds in terms of my hopes that Packerats deserves to be ranked at the top of all NFL fan sites. I try my best to contribute 'just' to that end at Packerrats. On those ocassions I'm able to be at my Packer Home.

I have a life. I have other things besides ' the Green Bay Packers'.

I will admit this. There is no team in organized sports I am and have been more loyal to. That loyalty a consistent part of my life and that as a fact inspite of anything I deem good or bad about Packer fortunes and news.

The Green Bay Packers will only die in me, when I die. :D

My position as a member here at Packerats:

I will not, as a poster allow any member to downgrade this forum posting garbage. Put that crap in the garbage can. That way it cannot be used in any agenda by any member here at Packerrats that may be felt byb any member here as an intimadation.

No poster's weak or too strong ego should exceed the moral and ethical fiber of Packerats. Specifically in terms related to the overall goodwill of Packerrats and it's valued membership.

I fight my battles when I must. I fight the good fight. I know when to fight and when to stop fighting.

I care about all Packerrats. I am your friend. All members at Packerfrats should believe and TRUST that as a TRUTH.

I can 'only' take that offer so far.

Why? I have my point of ultimate frustration and realization of when ' I'm beating a dead horse' to use an old expression :) .

I'm fair. I don't try. I am.

I can only go so far before I sacrifice my self respect and integrity. They are the tools that I use to captain my ship. Those tools never let me down. I recognize that as a TRUTH more and more as I frow 'in my lifetime'. As I mature to be more and more the person I personally need to be. :)

I've always stood here at Packerrats as a person true to myself. One member, that offers personal integrity and overall good will. Not all members here will agree with that and if they take that stance they are wrong. They are wrong in prejudice or misunderstanding.

I am the friend of all here at Packerrats. I certainly offer that friendship.

I'm well aware of the personal bias, prejudice and even the hatred that inspires certain posters and their manner of posting their agendas at Packerrats. I have personnaly felt their bias Vs me. I've never buckled nor will I through any members otherwise attempts to intimadate woodbuck27.

I am strong. 8-)

Posters that harm Packerrats !

I believe they expose themselves over time. How they are dealt with will be their own undoing. I will not have anything personally to do with any final decision RE: such destructive posters. I'm not an owner. Being an owner of Packerrats cannot be easy in terms related to posters that do intimadate others here. That have and will continue to act in such a manner and thus do damage to Packerrats.

Some people will not grow. Some people won't change. Some people will have agendas that are 'HATE' based and will try anything including bullying and every manner of intimadation to force through their ' hate based bias'.

Packerats must not condone anything even mildly associated with hatred.

I will never and never have had anything to do with decisions at Packerrats at the highest level. I only post to promote myself and good will with all posters here on an overall and final basis. Sometimes, inspite of all my most sincere efforts. I fail. That makes me feel sad; but it is what it is Packerrats.

I've alwaysd maintained. That no one member here should be allowed an agenda that is certainly damaging to any other member or to the membership as a whole. This forum deserves to be top notch. It can only become as such, when we post in terms related 'only' to decent manners and concern for the integrity of Packerrats.

Attacks in terms of intimadation against any poster at Packerrats. No matter if that poster has been here for one post or ten thousand must never be condoned. That is my opinion. I don't make policy.

** Sometimes we get down the garden path in a direction that isn't the best service to the integrity of Packerrats but maturity and sanity dictates common sense, in terms related to when it's time to let go.

If we go there ** we have to smarten up fast and swollow our ego's and get all the way back to posts that are of good will. Just that or 'GOOD WILL'. Where I come from it's called common sense and the gesture is a sincere effort to understand the healing in 'just giving PEACE' by shaking hands.

Every fight has to end. Otherwise ego's rule. :idea:

It cannot be this:

Not... more attacks, slurs, inaccuracies based in personal agendas and emotions. WE have to let go of any post that is obviously directed at another poster in terms of intimidation or of a manner that adds stress to that posters life. That has gone on here and as a result many decent posters have felt thatintimadation and just disappeared or arn't around Packerrats as much as some of us may wish.

I can tell y'all this much. Your not ever going to intimadate this poster to the degree or fashion that I'll withdraw from my Green Bay Packer home. You might as well 'piss into the wind as try to go there 'my friends'. Ole woodbuck27 is one determined LOYAL Green Bay PACKER fan. None of you are more LOYAL than I am. Than woodbuck27 is. I'm not like many of you in terms related to personality (maybe?) ; but don't try to take that away from me.

I am Canadian !!! I am a Green Bay PACKER FAN !!! :D

I've been a Packer fan longer that most of you have lived. I was Packer fan at 13 years of age. I'll be 64 on Dec. 29, 2010. I saw and loved the Packers throughout the entire Lombardi era. I saw the Green Bay Packers win the first two Super Bowls or NFL Championships whe the American and National Conferences combined. I remained a Pacxker fan from then throughout the lean and frustrating decades. I was spoiled by Lombardi as a Packer fan. I want our team to get to only one place.

I promote this as a Packer fan:

To win the Championship and nothing else wash's. Our GM Ted Thompson must deliver just that. An NFL Championship. It's his prime responsibility to every day 'just' focus and deliver that.

GO PACK GO !

[pasquale]

Can we change the title of this thread to "Woodbuck is a man, HE'S 40!!"

Seriously, enough...and I hardly ever post.

[woodbuck27]

It's reported that Randy Moss doesn't fit into a running game as well as NE desires for their future offensive schemes.

(redacted)

So everybody wins in this trade. It would appear that RM may be a perfect fit in Minny.


I quoted only two sentences so as to shorten the response, and I don't think it results in seeing anything out of context, because I believe each statement stands on its own. If I am wrong I apologize.

I think these two statements are contradictory, and are exactly why I am not so certain in the success of this trade for the Vikings. MN should be a run-focused, Peterson-showcasing offense. He is their best weapon. If Moss didn't fit NE's style of offense, how can he fit the Vikings', which should be even more run-focused than NE's? Success of the trade will depend on Moss himself.

As to Belichick's comments, he said only what I would expect him to say whether or not there had been a problem with Moss.

In actuality...Patler, it remains to be seen, but:

Randy Moss, in the absence of Sydney Rice offers 'the Vikings', what they didn't have prior to that trade this season or in the three previous games of their schedule. A talented WR that is, an over the top and sideline deep threat to take the ball long or all the way to the end zone. He offers with Brett Favre a more lethal passing attack in the absence of Sydney Rice.

If Sydney Rice returns and is ready or at full potential the WR pairing of Rice and Moss affords a more potent passing attack. That is the potential any NFL fan must acknowlege as the ultimate 'potential' value of that trade for Randy Moss.

As to his maturity and that side of the debate:

New England ( the Pat's) certainly acknowledged that maturity as a positive in Randy Moss. With him wanting to be at his best to gain a good contract, I predict he 'will be full on trying his best' to be what he wants to and needs to be.

You can never underestimate the value and production of 'any good or talented man' when he's up to task.

I predict that for the remainder of this season,barringinjury. Randy Moss will be a solid Viking contributor. He may be, outstanding.

That is my final position, Patler. If you disagree that's just fine. :D

GO PACKERS!

[Fritz]

Well, I want the Vikings to blow up. I want them to lose, because they are the Vikings and I'm a Packer fan, and because I root against all let's-go-all-out-and-sign-or-trade-for-every-big-name team. It feeds into many fans' perception that somehow getting big names ensures a championship. And I just don't think that is the case. So I want Moss to suck and Favre to suck and all the Vikings to suck and lose.

Moss is a better receiver than what Minny has out there now. So from a talent perspecitve, the Vikings are better today than they were before the trade. And talent matters.

But we'll see if it all fits together and works out. I sure as hell hope not.

[woodbuck27]

Can we change the title of this thread to "Woodbuck is a man, HE'S 40!!"

Seriously, enough...and I hardly ever post.

Good Morning pasquale.

I was born Dec. 29, 1946.

I'll be 64 years YOUNG this year Sir. Welcome to Packerrats. Come here anytime you can pasquale and help build this Packer home into the team site we need it to be. :D

GO PACKERS!

[Scott Campbell]

Can we change the title of this thread to "Woodbuck is a man, HE'S 40!!"

Seriously, enough...and I hardly ever post.

Good Morning pasquale.

I was born Dec. 29, 1946.

I'll be 64 years YOUNG this year Sir. Welcome to Packerrats. Come here anytime you can pasquale and help build this Packer home into the team site we need it to be. :D

GO PACKERS!

+1

[mraynrand]

Well, I want the Vikings to blow up. I want them to lose, because they are the Vikings and I'm a Packer fan, and because I root against all let's-go-all-out-and-sign-or-trade-for-every-big-name team. It feeds into many fans' perception that somehow getting big names ensures a championship. And I just don't think that is the case. So I want Moss to suck and Favre to suck and all the Vikings to suck and lose.

Moss is a better receiver than what Minny has out there now. So from a talent perspecitve, the Vikings are better today than they were before the trade. And talent matters.

But we'll see if it all fits together and works out. I sure as hell hope not. :five:

[Scott Campbell]

I wonder how long it will take him to develop some chemistry with Favre. And then T-Jack.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Im mean WTF is it really that entertaining?


The league is investigating it. People are calling for his suspension if the allegations are legit. And the Vikings who are on are schedule twice yet the season look a lot different with T-Jack behind center than Bert.

I'm sorry if real news makes you uncomfortable. But it's relevant to the Packers.Fuck you fool, you know what I meant so dont try to spin it. Talking about moss is legit, talking about Favre in the favre thread is legit. You and Woody going back and forth like some fucking school girls is just stupid. That is what is not entertaining, it is the same tired BS. Cant you fucking ignore him and Woody if you are being a saint why the fuck are you even responding to SC??? if this was face to face it would be like you both coming inot a room we are all talking in and taking a big crap right there. I dont wanna smell it and I bet several others feel the same.

Damn I forgot how much I missed Madtown. If only we can get Partial back we'll be set.

[Scott Campbell]

Damn I forgot how much I missed Madtown. If only we can get Partial back we'll be set.


Yeah, I miss both of those guys too. Though Mad's lost much of his edge, as I think the white man has finally turned him into Cliff Huxtable.

[pbmax]

From Aaron Schatz, footballoutsiders.com (http://footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2010/simmons-moss-trade-right-move)


For the record, I've spoken to a few people behind the scenes and while I can't give specifics, believe me that everything you've heard about Moss arguing with coaches this season is about half as bad as it actually was. From a stat analyst perspective, the trade makes no sense, but from a team psychology perspective, it had to happen.

I still am not convinced it will affect the Vikings, but he does not seem to have changed. If the Vikings hit the skids again, there will be a lot of unhappy campers with individual agendas.

[pasquale]

Can we change the title of this thread to "Woodbuck is a man, HE'S 40!!"

Seriously, enough...and I hardly ever post.

Good Morning pasquale.

I was born Dec. 29, 1946.

I'll be 64 years YOUNG this year Sir. Welcome to Packerrats. Come here anytime you can pasquale and help build this Packer home into the team site we need it to be. :D

GO PACKERS!

I've been lurking for like 4 years, I just don't add much to the forum :lol:

[falco]

I've been lurking for like 4 years, I just don't add much to the forum :lol:

Don't beat yourself up...sometimes somebody with 200 posts can contribute more than someone with 9300...

:P

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Upon further review, damn this is the best thread I've read on here in awhile. This thread is classic Packerrats, and as a bonus, an impromtu visit from pasquale using one of my favorite quotes of all time. How could this possibly get any better?

I seriously have the mental image of SC and Woody pawing at each other in a feeble attempt at a cat fight. This is gold. Even Patler can't bring reason and sanity in to this thread.

And, just like normal, I have nothing significant to add at all to this thread.