OFFICIAL FAVRE SEXT SCANDAL ROCKS SPORTS WORLD

[MJZiggy]

I blame Scott Campbell for today's loss. All the negative Karma from his Schadenfreude over Favre's debacle landed on the Packers in D.C. I also blame Ziggy because she was there and could have done something!

I have no voice left from doing all any fan could from the top row of the stadium. Could you guys here the "Go Pack Go" chanting on TV?

[MJZiggy]

Not going to stop me from drowning my week in this thread. Sometimes its the little things. Scott my week is in your hands.

and in this case...favre's little thing

VERY little thing...

[imscott72]

The Vikings control our week now. A humiliating loss to the Jets would make things feel so much better. If they get a big win on the road after all the drama this week, it's going to double the pain.


Either way Da Bears are in first place

Who cares. The Bears are a fraud and everyone knows it.

[woodbuck27]

I care about you Scott.


:shock: :shock: :shock:


Bwahhahhhahahaahahahahahahaahahhahhahah!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:hug:

I do. 8-) Becaus I'm something right down to it you'll seldom understand Tarlam! Fair. 8-)

Packers!

[woodbuck27]

I'm the guy who voted that he'd retire after the Jets game if anyone was wondering.

You'd be wrong again Scott. I'm positive that prediction was a tad presumptious. How's those apples Scott? I'll even shine them up for you Scott.

Ohh I'll stand by this too. This whole mess as it's going on can only lead me to easily predict that Favre suffer zero penalty in the end Scott.

Here's a post for you to copy and paste in your "I've got the dirt on you right here file ". LOL

Get out the file. Copy...paste away Scott. Waste your time some more. Well isn't that 'just you'?

Do you really believe that Brett Favre is so retarded that he would actually be the person inn that smut video? Think Scott. Favre has never come across as stupid. He's always come across as actually not as fair to himself in terms of taking too much blame for any failure Scott.

How could I be so wrong Scott? I honestly believe that it just couldn't be the way you want to believe it is. Who's wrong and who's right isn't the issue. The issue is that the world has gone so mad that sensationaism takes precedence over common sense Scott.

I'll just go with my simple Canadian style of common sense and the genetic ntelligence and wisdom life fortunately bless'd me with Scott. I'll add that to the spiritual development and growth from using that as my Higher Power asks of me.

Favre will not receive punishment for something noone can prove he did and I'll take it here. A step closer to purity.

He's by 'the TRUTH' of his behaviour,conduct and reputation the last decade and a half. Innoscent as well Scott.

I just pray I'm correct Scott. I have faith I am.

GO PACK GO!

[woodbuck27]

All this dwelling on the negative nanny Favre and Moss stuff clearly has the Karma gods pissed; we're hosed :lol:

That is the BEST analysis here at Packerrats for the past week. Congratulations Packer fan.

Now to keep that in some perspective. It has been a week of rather to really lousy and incompetent analysis on a lot of posters part. I believe we all rebound when the head search's out the heart and dash's the emotions as being inferior.

That's simply put just my opinion mind you but all the same full kudos to YOU B.

Your always too 8-) in my view B. Come back more often as you may man. I miss your strengths.

PACKERS!

[3irty1]

The way you say "Scott" at the end of every sentence makes you sound crazy.

I made some refreshments, Dan.
Would you like some refreshments,
Dan? I'll be right back,
Daaaan!!
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[woodbuck27]

If Favre wants to be so stupid as to try to cheat on his wife by sending cockshots of himself (or is it "crocshots"?) that are nearly bound to get out, well, so be it. Don't try to be all high and mighty about it, NFL. He's not breaking any laws and he's not wcheating the game by using steroids.

True, unless it actually did cross the line into harassment. Somehow, I doubt it. Favre is a pretty likable guy in person. I'm betting there are lots of young ladies who like his attentions. Doesn't make him much less slimy, but there may be nothing much here other than unsavory infidelity.

What's there mraynrand is simply sensationalism and today some people are so soaked in it they get to actually swollowing the crap and into their emotions and forget to use their heads. Use some decent analysis and get to straight up fairness and allow the TRUTH to surface as we must believe it will.

Re: How I see Brett Favre mraynrand:

Favre is far from being an idiot. If I'm wrong and he actually was the chump in that fricken video I will be the mot unimpressed and totally disappointed person at Packerrats and one of the most let down Packer fans that ever admired Brett Favre.

I went to bed this past Thursday night in real pain over what transpired here. I fought my fight as best I was able to then but I'm stronger and certainly more focused on the wholed stinking affair and know that it will lead nowhere in terms of damage to Favre except for the pain he feels for his loved one's. People here didn't seem to give a lick about that. Tyhe real victims they are in this sordid mess.

I'm asking myself the last day or so. What would I do if I was Favre? How would I handle this legally? Would I go there.?

Favre is like this. He'll get to who he is and in terms of himself not care what NFL fans or others thinkm or say. He knows who he is. The problem for him lies in damage not to his reputation but to his wife and childrennand his close Family members.

I went to PFT.CommThursday night and I invite you to do the same and read the comments by those that are as I am and are disgusted with posters that go to this issue with a lurid response mraynrand. I wonder if they realize just how badly they damage themselves? Do they not realize that the karma falls on them?

Poo Poo that karma thing as they may I hold how we act and behave as having a universal cosmic effect on our lives as a group or as an individual.

Think or do bad. Get back bad.

Posters here at Packerats should put their peoper thinking caps on. Get to only one place. Recover Packerrats as a class act forum that is dominated by posters that act right in terms of their level of higher thinking and have a strong collective intelligence. ASAP.

WE can grow from an error. We can suck it up and let this CRAP go pronto. Leave the issue up to those that have to deal with it in a proper context.

I want to see us get there and 'just there ' as a collective mraynrand and not see any member suffer for whatever part he/she may have playeed in any emotional misjudgement. Am I seeming the idealist?

I simply believe we deserve as a forum to grow from where we went thursday. Accept that no matter what we believ RE; Favre and guilt or not . It's moot as The NFL will decide if there are to be repurcussions detrimentle to Favre based in it's findings upon a fair review.

To be a boo bird often means to exercise extreme emotion and extreme prejudice that's not actually fact based. It often means being clouded in judgement and emotional reactions that are detrimentle to oneself when all is said and done with as a personal final anaysis.

Is there anyone here that reads this that could adamently disagree with this post? Is this post not all about fairness and healing?

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

He should be suspended if Big Ben was. I have known for a long time that Favre was like this as all of us did who followed his career...but before he was better at being discrete.

And just a thought, think maybe the NFL is a little ticked about the Vikings circumventing them with the Williams Cheaters? This would be a way to get back at the team...

That will be up to the NFL committee appointed to investigate and deem his guilt or not. As mere fans why can you 'in terms of your humanity'deem him guilty based on the story as we already know it? As a human being are you perfect? Do you live, have you lived a perfect moral and ethical life? Can you claim that in YOU Tony Oday?

I can't. I understand as humans we error. In that respect, I don't judge any man as guilty before any formal hearing of the facts.

If Favre is deemed guilty he needs to be punished. That won't come to pass as it is today. Thus noone is correct till that TRUTH of his actual guilt is determined Packer fan.

Just some support for you Re: basic decency in terms of Favre's rights Tony Oday.

Tony. Enjoy Packers @ Redskins today on FOX if you can get that game on your TV. :)

GO PACKERS!

BIG BEN WAS NEVER PROVEN GUILTY!!!

Does anyone NOT see this? WTF...There is PROOF that Favre did this...

I get NFL Ticket I get all the games.

PROOF that that was Favre in that video or that wasn't proof of Favre in that video. I believe that it will come down to doubt 'at the worst' Tony Oday, and therefore Favre will be in the clear. Deemed innoscent.

I actually didn't see the Packers in Washington Tony Oday. The network shifted to the Giants @ Texans game. I was looking forward to seeing how our 'D' performed with all the adversity we're now struck with.

GO PACK GO!

[woodbuck27]

The way you say "Scott" at the end of every sentence makes you sound crazy.

I made some refreshments, Dan.
Would you like some refreshments,
Dan? I'll be right back,
Daaaan!!
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I'm far from crazy 3irty1. I'm totally sane man. :lol:

I appreciate the concern though. 8-)

PACKERS!

[Tarlam!]

Whether some posters like it or not, there are Packers Fans that wish Favre evry failure in the world and are dlighted to see this scandal become front page news, because it distracts from the rival team. Some posters hope he will be suspended, so every time his record of consecutive starts is ever mentioned, there can be the addendum: ended by a sex scandal. Some posters want his legacy to be so damaged by this that he isn't even a first round ballot HOFer.

I am one of those posters. I view this as an early birthday present. I will set my alarm to 2 a.m. Tuesady morning, so I can witness from the comfort of my couch on my 76" screen the reception Favre receives in New Jersey. I will be scanning the posters that fans have been creative with.

He's a pro and can probably block it out and the Vikes might win. I hope not, but hey, we'll see.

If Favre is innocent, he had a perfect opportunity to clear the record immediately earlier in the year, but also last Thursday during his presser. He did neither, so, he has caused Deanna and the girls a lot of humiliation, public humiliation already. What wholesome man does such a thing?

[woodbuck27]

If Favre wants to be so stupid as to try to cheat on his wife by sending cockshots of himself (or is it "crocshots"?) that are nearly bound to get out, well, so be it. Don't try to be all high and mighty about it, NFL. He's not breaking any laws and he's not wcheating the game by using steroids.

True, unless it actually did cross the line into harassment. Somehow, I doubt it. Favre is a pretty likable guy in person. I'm betting there are lots of young ladies who like his attentions. Doesn't make him much less slimy, but there may be nothing much here other than unsavory infidelity.

BUT YOU ALL EVISCERATED BIG BEN FOR CONSENSUAL SEX!!!

That is what bugs me about this whole thing...I dont care if he is trying to pimp his old balls out to smoking hot ladies that is a right in the Bill of Rights of old Millionaires! HOT YOU LADIES...but treat everyone the same.

I don't think I posted anything about BR. BUT wasn't there some controversy about whether it was consensual?

FYI, In our society, there are still some who find whoring objectionable.

Yes! That BIG GUY mentioned alot in the BIBLE.

[3irty1]

Woody, we all get your point. That video they posted isn't enough on its own to prove anything. With enough time and effort I could have made that video and I've never spoken with Favre in my life.

The video is not proof but getting the smoking gun phone records is so trivial that you've got seriously doubt how any website would make that video if none of it could be verified by the NFL. Its really a matter of seeing if the number that sent the pictures and left the voice mails is known to be Favre's phone. We're all thrilled because the NFL is going to bust him easily if it really happened which it probably did. Its not exactly far fetched just because you want it to be.

Ok so he probably did it, but will he get in any real trouble? Why would the NFL investigate if there weren't going to be consequences? The fact that the women involved were harassed at work makes it likely as well. Even if he's not punished by the NFL I'll still revel in the bad press he's getting. Karma be damned, that shits not real although the fact that this is all happening to Favre may suggest otherwise. Do I feel bad for his family? Yeah, but not because people are slandering their father and husband--because it looks like their father and husband is a sleezeball.

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, I actually found this statement of yours quite admirable.


It's not who's right man. It's about what's right. It's about ideals and comportment. It's about growth and decisions made to support HIGHER thinking and what's best not what's worse.

But then you come back with this one.


in that scenario. Favre the accused trumps over her. That is just life. The way life is packerbacker1234.

How can these two statements be reconciled? If it really is about what is right, is it right that Favre should triumph due to greater recognition?

For someone who loves the TRUTH, shouldn't there be some interest on your part to discern both fact and truth from this event?

Otherwise, I am tempted to tell people who find this kind of topic and coverage lamentable that Scott Campbell and Deadspin are just life. And that is the way life is.

Hello:pbmax:

I responded to this Sunday AM, but somehow that post failed to go through. It ended up in the nether land I expect. Just gone. I'll try again.

Re: the following partial quote by yours truly. I'll elaborate:

" in that scenario. Favre the accused trumps over her. That is just life. The way life is packerbacker1234. " woodbuck27

Life in terms of how one is deemed guilty or not and that 'in terms' related to 'the TRUTH' of all available information that can be used to access guilt or not.

I'm referring to the evidence from that video that in all fairness I felt no personal need to view pbmax. The NFL will investigate this story/matter as Favre is no different in terms of status as an NFL rookie.If upon looking at all the hard evidence or material evidence it's not conclusive that the person in that video or any pic's of said person purported to be Favre leads to no creedance that 'in fact' that is Favre what's left?

pbmax.

If this Lady comes right out with her complaint or civil suit and she cannot expand on that vieo or offer more concrete proof of Favre and harassinbg her or trying to date her or whatever her.

Then and if Favre denies he ever went there what's left but a she said-he said and that's deemed an fraw in terms of Favre's guilt as it would be a draw in terms of it was YOU or I accused Vs the plaintiff or accusers word Vs yours or mine and again it's a zero.

The only thing that remains are the same people that are so quick to find against Favre and in terms of Favre it would be a 'so what'. Favre is on record as saying that, he gave up a long time ago trying to please all of the fans all of the time . Gave up trying to please some of the fans some of the time , as well or that he no longer allows fan reaction to get under his skin or lives and works to please them.

Like you and I.

Favre has to live for himself and answer to himself in terms of all behaviours and all actions. That is a position that is best in terms of focus and positive results based on goals or objectives.


" For someone who loves the TRUTH, shouldn't there be some interest on your part to discern both fact and truth from this event? " pbmax

NO ! Of course NOT.

I have read enough accounts fr. those that saw that video to determine that the evidence that can be attributed to identifying the man in that video as Favre willl not be enough to positively identify that man as Bret Favre. Most specifically many say that mans hands just simply are NOT Favre's hands.

If the hands won't fit then we must not convict. I'm sure lawyers or committee apointed reviewers of this cases hard evidence will see more that says that's not Favre than that says that is Favre. Maybe the hands not being Favre's will toss this issue away as that's enough. I will find out someday I'm sure. Guilty or innoscent?

My position is to simply leave it all up to those appoinmted to investigate. To remain true to that and not get all emotional and thus risk error in judgement and harm anyone over this 'just a story' to me. I am powerless as a fan to decide guilt or not, or judge Favre as guilty when more informed people's decision will prevail pbmax.

This thread exists and goes on because the Owner of Packerrats see's merit in allowing it. His decision is not my concern once that decision leads to the thread or this thread.

I cannot oppose that decision. It's too late for that pbmax as it's alive here . W're posting in it. Maybe we'll grow in the future at least partially from it as we accept this thread as a vauable tool to growing together here for the right not wrong reasons pbmax

I have no problem with and certainly support differences in posters or people in terms of differences.

I do have a problem with dominance, control and hatred and stances of presummed guilt or allutions to punishments when too often such rhetoric is just silly and flaming.

Am I the last man standing pbmax, that desires proper respect as concerns this matter and respect for all principle parties involved and I mean not just Brett Favre? As a collective at Packerrats. Don't we stand for respect for both 'the guilty or the innoscent? Respect for this TRUTH and IDEAL:

Any person is to be deemed inoscent until evidence convicts or proves otherwise. Why the quick rush to find Favre guilty and propose a punishment (s) when it's not our jurisdiction?

GO PACKERS!

[Gunakor]

But Woody, you've been expressing your opinion as truth. As in, you are 100% certain of the truth, and the truth is Favre is innocent. But we don't know that to be truth. We don't know that to be lies, either.

What pbmax is suggesting is simply that you, being a man of truth, should be open to the possibility that your opinion in the matter may not in fact be truth at all. Maybe it is, we'll see.

But it's not okay to preach about the truth when you won't be bothered to look into the matter to discern the truth. It's not truth just because it's what you'd like to believe.


I'm referring to the evidence from that video that in all fairness I felt no personal need to view pbmax.

If you won't view the evidence, how would you have any idea of the truth? Maybe the truth lies within that evidence you feel no need to examine.

You are looking at this as a matter of law. Innocent until proven guilty. I feel the same way as a matter of law. But this isn't a matter of law just yet Woody. At this time it's a matter of public opinion. It's in the court of public opinion that Favre is being tried right now.

Evidence has been presented in this case, whether you choose to view it or not. Others have, and their opinions have been swayed by said evidence. To many, Favre is guilty. To you, Favre is innocent. That's how this court works. It's the only court in which Favre is being tried right now, and everyone is a judge. Some of us will be wrong, some of us will be right. So how about allowing for the possibility that Favre just might be guilty before saying that all of us who have already convicted him in OUR court are full of it.

[Pugger]

NFL will suspend him...probably 2 games. This isn't quite on the level of forcing yourself on a drunk girl in the bathroom of a backwoods bar while your beefy bodyguards stand watch.

with internet photos and the like...minn might cut him. this probably breaks some morals clause in his contract. save them a ton of money.

They just traded for Moss...they aren't going to cut him. Are you crazy?

They will just be pissed to know that all it would've taken to get him into camp on time was a few dumb brunette bimbos who like 40 year old shuttlecock.

Somehow I doubt she was enamored with his 40 year old johnson...

[mraynrand]

NFL will suspend him...probably 2 games. This isn't quite on the level of forcing yourself on a drunk girl in the bathroom of a backwoods bar while your beefy bodyguards stand watch.

with internet photos and the like...minn might cut him. this probably breaks some morals clause in his contract. save them a ton of money.

They just traded for Moss...they aren't going to cut him. Are you crazy?

They will just be pissed to know that all it would've taken to get him into camp on time was a few dumb brunette bimbos who like 40 year old shuttlecock.

Somehow I doubt she was enamored with his 40 year old johnson...

Wouldja believe...a fifty year-old johnson?

http://yoshi2me.com/sexual-health/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/magic-johnson.jpeg

[MJZiggy]

But Woody, you've been expressing your opinion as truth. As in, you are 100% certain of the truth, and the truth is Favre is innocent. But we don't know that to be truth. We don't know that to be lies, either.

What pbmax is suggesting is simply that you, being a man of truth, should be open to the possibility that your opinion in the matter may not in fact be truth at all. Maybe it is, we'll see.

But it's not okay to preach about the truth when you won't be bothered to look into the matter to discern the truth. It's not truth just because it's what you'd like to believe.


I'm referring to the evidence from that video that in all fairness I felt no personal need to view pbmax.

If you won't view the evidence, how would you have any idea of the truth? Maybe the truth lies within that evidence you feel no need to examine.

You are looking at this as a matter of law. Innocent until proven guilty. I feel the same way as a matter of law. But this isn't a matter of law just yet Woody. At this time it's a matter of public opinion. It's in the court of public opinion that Favre is being tried right now.

Evidence has been presented in this case, whether you choose to view it or not. Others have, and their opinions have been swayed by said evidence. To many, Favre is guilty. To you, Favre is innocent. That's how this court works. It's the only court in which Favre is being tried right now, and everyone is a judge. Some of us will be wrong, some of us will be right. So how about allowing for the possibility that Favre just might be guilty before saying that all of us who have already convicted him in OUR court are full of it.

Actually, I don't know that you can fairly determine whether Favre is innocent or guilty either way, even in the court of public opinion without bothering to look at the evidence--and you certainly cannot profess to others what the truth is. Without looking at the evidence, what you're spouting is just wishes and wannabes. There's a voice on that video that sounds an awful lot like Favre and what that voice says clearly indicates that the advances of the person who's speaking had been rebuffed. Woodbuck has no business telling anyone they're full of it until he sees the same evidence they have. The people who've watched that video are speaking from a position of having more information than Woodbuck does. So, ok, Woody. Go ahead and attack me like you always do when I post something you don't like. By the way, Miss Sterger does NOT have to press charges or bring suit for the NFL to find a violation in the personal conduct code. She has agreed to assist in the NFL's investigation. By the way, the public opinion on the metro after the game last night is that Favre is a total creeper.

[Tarlam!]

Not too certain, Zig. If no one is complaing/litigating, then it's no foul, no harm, except to Favre himself and family and maybe team, and that's already severe enough. It's an easy out for Goodell to say the investigation is concluded, but there haven't been any formal complaints and leave it at that.

So far, his misconduct policy has always been used againt players where 3rd parties have been actively pursuing compensation or have broken some law. That's not the case here so far.

Now, if the investigation proves he is guilty and one of the 3rd parties strives for a civil lawsuit based on the findings, Goodell must react with the accustomed toughness, lest he be accused of playing Favre-itism.

Maybe I'm off base here, but that's my current thinking.

I hope they conclude he violated his position and a sexual harrassment occured, although, I'm not sure how that works. He was not in a position to fire anybody, despite his position and stature, so, what leverage did he have to manipulate any of the 3rd parties?

I think he's a scumbag, if for no other reason than the public humiliation his family has to go through. If he is truly innocent, IMHO, all he needed to say was "it never happened". He has had ample opportunity and hasn't. He could also take the high road and say "my lawyers have advised me not to discuss the matter". Then, in my court of public opinion, he'd be innocent until proven guilty. He hasn't offered any defense at all. That to me reeks of a smoking gun.

[pbmax]

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Life in terms of how one is deemed guilty or not and that 'in terms' related to 'the TRUTH' of all available information that can be used to access guilt or not.

I'm referring to the evidence from that video that in all fairness I felt no personal need to view pbmax. The NFL will investigate this story/matter as Favre is no different in terms of status as an NFL rookie.If upon looking at all the hard evidence or material evidence it's not conclusive that the person in that video or any pic's of said person purported to be Favre leads to no creedance that 'in fact' that is Favre what's left?

pbmax.

If this Lady comes right out with her complaint or civil suit and she cannot expand on that vieo or offer more concrete proof of Favre and harassinbg her or trying to date her or whatever her.

Then and if Favre denies he ever went there what's left but a she said-he said and that's deemed an fraw in terms of Favre's guilt as it would be a draw in terms of it was YOU or I accused Vs the plaintiff or accusers word Vs yours or mine and again it's a zero.

...

I have read enough accounts fr. those that saw that video to determine that the evidence that can be attributed to identifying the man in that video as Favre willl not be enough to positively identify that man as Bret Favre. Most specifically many say that mans hands just simply are NOT Favre's hands.

If the hands won't fit then we must not convict. I'm sure lawyers or committee apointed reviewers of this cases hard evidence will see more that says that's not Favre than that says that is Favre.
You may be selectively reading accounts of the video. The phone number from which the calls, texts and photos were sent is known. And the watch in one of the photos is the same Brett wore at his Packer retirement press conference. And there are intermediaries involved who can provide third party confirmation of attempts to contact the women. An examination of the hands is low on the list of available evidence. There are also accounts from friends of the women that she contemporaneously reported the events to them.

An investigation into the event should remain even-handed and impartial. But reasonable minds can find evidence to support the charge. And I find your assertion that you are SURE investigators will find more evidence to clear Favre than to implicate him is very premature.

[mraynrand]

When a soiled blue dress is produced, I will be convinced, but it depends on what the color 'blue' is.

[Freak Out]

The "Sports Babe" probably receives lots of texts and calls from guys wanting nookie....Favre might be the biggest name of that group and that's why he is getting the attention...what is it now...two years after the fact?

[3irty1]

I just posted a gem in the GC thread.

[vince]

I just posted a gem in the GC thread.
Go back and double check that 3irty1. The image doesn't show. Maybe you can retry some other way.

[3irty1]

I just posted a gem in the GC thread.
Go back and double check that 3irty1. The image doesn't show. Maybe you can retry some other way.

Fixed at least for now.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Heard on the radio here this morning (in the Twin Cities) that there's some concern over this as Favre hasn't denied anything. He's had multiple opportunities and he refuses to even acknowledge the situation. The fact he won't even deny it or say this is silly is raising eyebrows locally.

[woodbuck27]

Whether some posters like it or not, there are Packers Fans that wish Favre evry failure in the world and are dlighted to see this scandal become front page news, because it distracts from the rival team. Some posters hope he will be suspended, so every time his record of consecutive starts is ever mentioned, there can be the addendum: ended by a sex scandal. Some posters want his legacy to be so damaged by this that he isn't even a first round ballot HOFer.

I am one of those posters. I view this as an early birthday present. I will set my alarm to 2 a.m. Tuesady morning, so I can witness from the comfort of my couch on my 76" screen the reception Favre receives in New Jersey. I will be scanning the posters that fans have been creative with.

He's a pro and can probably block it out and the Vikes might win. I hope not, but hey, we'll see.

If Favre is innocent, he had a perfect opportunity to clear the record immediately earlier in the year, but also last Thursday during his presser. He did neither, so, he has caused Deanna and the girls a lot of humiliation, public humiliation already. What wholesome man does such a thing?

" If Favre is innocent, he had a perfect opportunity to clear the record immediately earlier in the year, but also last Thursday during his presser. He did neither, so, he has caused Deanna and the girls a lot of humiliation, public humiliation already. What wholesome man does such a thing? " Tarlam!

Tarlam! An innoscent man acts exactly as we have observed Favre acting since last Thursday.

Favre has a duty to the Vikings and a personal desire to help his team advance beyond what they managed to do in terms of performance in 2009. He has only a desire to concentrate on football. Not scandalsmut or wild accusations of which he has had no part or is otherwiswe innoscent.

His wife certainly feels pain over this scanda and the fact she knows her husband is being innoscently persecuteed by false accusations. DEanna and Brett Favre as a married couple must. Will stand together and strong in light of any attacks that are pointless to riculous in the exact purpose and only inspire weaker people to imagine that a man such as Favre is would act so stupidly as the perpetrators of the scandal have proposed.

Favre had a duty to clear the record of what, Tarlam!?

Lies?

How should any person react to lies? Is there a standard for such 'in terms related to', a specific or standard a specific response?

I am impressed with Favre's cool and professionalism and duty to the Vikings. I'm impressed that he's doing all he can to (I assume) work with the Vikings PR Dept. and to ignore this scandalous attack. He did very well 'in fact' as he performed RE: any question of he and the charges.

He simply dismissed that mnonsence. Why? Easy Tarlam!. Favre is innoscent.

You cannot for a minute even imagine that fact. You admit that your incompetant towords any objectivity and Favre because you hate Brettb Favre. Thus you surrende all credibility to your own position. Your merely a hater. I do not judge you as such.

I feel so damn sorry for the state you are in as a man that deserves to allow better for yourself. Over five seaons I've observed you and you'll never change and that because of your admission in your posy.

Loike afool you lead yourself down the garden path to your own lack of credibility. Thank YOU Tarlam! for the support I needed. You spite your face and fail to keep it clean. Too bad for you Tarlam!

I do not personally attack you mister. I merely point out to the forum your weakness. Thatb weakness is lined up always it's seemed and has been with the originator of this thread. Two and the same.

Again I sincerely THANK YOU Tarlam! for exposing yourself so voluntarily. Shoulsd I be impressed or feel great pity for you?

Would you have acted differently (anyone?) . Than we are aware Favre has acted.

I would only hope I could manage this, as well, as Brett Favre has to date. To accept advice and propwer support from my camp or team. Shrug off any blame when the only matter of my integrity was/is my innoscence.

Again. Would you react any different than Brett Favre did at last weeks press conference?

Tarlam!:

**In terms specifically relate to Deanna Favre and public humiliation. Have you acted in any form or manner towords supporting Deanna as the wife of Brett Favre?

Loving wives support husbands in times as we are seeing in this scandalos pursuit to blemish Brett Favre. Loving wives believe in their husbands. Decent and fair, healthy minded people (ie NFL fans etc.) believe in the innoscence of any man /woman before any proof of accusation.

Is that just the way inmy democracy of Canada? Doesn't an American citizen have and deserve that same respect?

Anyone? Would YOU want that respect?

Tarlam! Your response to that specific question immediately above ** will be intersting to Packerats. Fill your boots.

In regards to the last sentence of your query Tarlam!

I believe this:

The wholesome man that acts as Favre did is an innoscent man. Again would you suggest a better way that Favre should have acted?

Then what exact evidence can you ...YOU Tarlam present to Packerrats that will support any accusation you have specifically that supports that Brett Favre is anything but a wholesome man?

You can't. Why . Your credibility has been sacrificed, again and I emphasixe this fact.

YOU have before the forum (Packerrats); because you admit HATE for Brett Favre disqualified yourself.

[ThunderDan]

" If Favre is innocent, he had a perfect opportunity to clear the record immediately earlier in the year, but also last Thursday during his presser. He did neither, so, he has caused Deanna and the girls a lot of humiliation, public humiliation already. What wholesome man does such a thing? " Tarlam!

Tarlam! An innoscent man acts exactly as we have observed Favre acting since last Thursday.



Bullshit!! An innocent man says that the rumors are false and I will cooperate in anyway asked to clear my name of these slanderous accusations.

BF has the stage to say a 1 or 2 sentence, I am innocent. Here are my phone records.

[Tarlam!]

Woody, when you stop writing posts that disregard grammar and are of biblical proportions, I might consider actually reading one, especially if it is directed at me.

Skimming through it I again discover you feel a condascending urgency to "raise me into manhood". Save it. As I keep repeating, Packer Rats can vouch for me and often have.

You, on the other hand, feel the continued need to tell everyone how great you are and how your morals are so wholesome and above many posters' here at PR. I suggest you ask your therapist why you are so compelled to do so.

My explaination is that you were once a pretty fine man that is now receding through the natural process called aging backwards to childhood status.

My grandmother turned 89 in June and she started living in a nursing home only a year ago. Last time I saw her was here birthday and they had a party for her. She was as excited about it as any 5 year old could be. And then, she proudly showed me her newest creation. It was a finger painting.

I'm just saying....

[Tarlam!]

An innocent man says that the rumors are false and I will cooperate in anyway asked to clear my name of these slanderous accusations.

BF has the stage to say a 1 or 2 sentence, I am innocent. Here are my phone records.

My point entirely. His refusal to deny the allegations has made this monster bigger than it needed to be. Even if he'd have just said his attorneis are on it and the truth will prevail, some of the humiliation could have been spared. That's what a good husband, father and team mate would do.

[vince]

B-rod has a strange way of denying this...

http://www.businessinsider.com/favre-apologizes-to-teammates-about-naked-crotch-shots-2010-10?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+%28Business+I nsider%29


Favre Apologizes To Teammates About Naked Crotch Shots
Nicholas Carlson | Oct. 11, 2010, 3:02 PM

Brett Favre – who allegedly took pictures of his private parts and sent them to a Jets employee named Jenn Sterger – today apologized to his teammates about the distraction, ESPN reports.

ESPN also says Favre promised to play "lights out" tonight.

We've reached out to the companies that pay Favre to endorse their products – Wrangler jeans, Remington rifles, and Snapper mowers. Each acknowledged the controversy but declined to comment.

The NFL says its investigating Favre's crotch shots – and allegations that he made unrequited advances on some of the Jet's other employees.

[imscott72]

An innocent man says that the rumors are false and I will cooperate in anyway asked to clear my name of these slanderous accusations.

BF has the stage to say a 1 or 2 sentence, I am innocent. Here are my phone records.

My point entirely. His refusal to deny the allegations has made this monster bigger than it needed to be. Even if he'd have just said his attorneis are on it and the truth will prevail, some of the humiliation could have been spared. That's what a good husband, father and team mate would do.

One thing about Favre is he's always been brutally honest. I credit his old man for that. If Brett did this he won't lie about it.

[vince]

One thing about Favre is he's always been brutally honest. I credit his old man for that. If Brett did this he won't lie about it.
Disagree wholeheartedly with this. Brett Favre has been lying to his wife and family for years. You don't think he lies to the public for his own benefit? He's been lying and manipulating his way through the NFL for the last three years at least.

Favre wants nothing more than for this to go away with the least amount of damage possible. The only reason he's not lying about it is making a big deal out of it by denying the accusations in the face of irrefutable evidence and multiple eyewitnesses (including a pissed off husband) in the middle of an NFL investigation would only do the opposite.

It's quite possible there are many, many more skeletons he'd prefer to keep in the closet here.

[vince]

:lol: Oh, the irony
Brett Favre Has His Hands Full With Remorse (http://deadspin.com/5661224/brett-favre-has-his-hands-full-with-remorse)

[imscott72]

One thing about Favre is he's always been brutally honest. I credit his old man for that. If Brett did this he won't lie about it.
Disagree wholeheartedly with this. Brett Favre has been lying to his wife and family for years.

Lying about it, or just hiding it? I guess we can't answer that one.

[Joemailman]

Brett Favre – who allegedly took pictures of his private parts and sent them to a Jets employee named Jenn Sterger – today apologized to his teammates about the distraction, ESPN reports.

I thought Chilly said it wasn't a distraction. :huh:

[vince]

It isn't very often that I root for the Jets, but tonight is definitely one of them. J-E-T-S JETS! JETS! JETS!

[Tarlam!]

B-rod has a strange way of denying this...

Favre Apologizes To Teammates About Naked Crotch Shots

Brett Favre – who allegedly took pictures of his private parts and sent them to a Jets employee named Jenn Sterger – today apologized to his teammates about the distraction,

Yeah, Vince, but this is what "wholesome" men do. It's their way of denying that any of this could possibly be true. /sarcasm

[Tarlam!]

It isn't very often that I root for the Jets, but tonight is definitely one of them. J-E-T-S JETS! JETS! JETS!

I am so looking forward to the reception he will receive.

He prolly will actually play really well and use this as motivation. The big question is how much of an effect it's had on the rest of the team and the chemistry. Apparently he's loved by his team mates. These types of things can get into the heads of the players anyway, especially the youngens.

Or, the Vikes all rally around him and all play their hearts out. Interesting game coming up.

[Cheesehead Craig]

It isn't very often that I root for the Jets, but tonight is definitely one of them. J-E-T-S JETS! JETS! JETS!

I am so looking forward to the reception he will receive.

He prolly will actually play really well and use this as motivation. The big question is how much of an effect it's had on the rest of the team and the chemistry. Apparently he's loved by his team mates. These types of things can get into the heads of the players anyway, especially the youngens.

Or, the Vikes all rally around him and all play their hearts out. Interesting game coming up.

They'll surely lay it all out for him... Well, maybe not all of it out... I mean doing that is what got Brett in trouble in the first place...

[vince]

The latest...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/11/favre-on-controversy-that-will-takes-its-course/

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5670800

[vince]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/11/ryan-longwell-says-brett-favre-cried-as-he-apologized-to-teammates/


Ryan Longwell says Brett Favre cried as he apologized to teammates
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 11, 2010 6:26 PM ET
Vikings kicker Ryan Longwell, a longtime friend and teammate of Brett Favre's, says that Favre cried as he told teammates he was sorry for the distraction caused by allegations that he sexually harassed former Jets employee Jenn Sterger.

ESPN's Michelle Tafoya said on SportsCenter that she talked to Longwell about the meeting.

"Brett Favre actually broke down in tears and was very emotional, saying, 'I'm sorry to have been a distraction,'" Tafoya said she was told by Longwell.

Although Tafoya said that Longwell wouldn't give her all the details of the meeting, Longwell said that Favre appealed to his teammates to stick with him.

"I need you guys to carry me tonight," Favre told the Vikings, as related by Longwell to Tafoya. "I'm ready to go out there and give it my best, but I don't know what's going to happen."

Longwell, who played with Favre in Green Bay from 1997 to 2005, told Tafoya that the tearful team meeting was reminiscent of Favre addressing his Packers teammates in December of 2003 after the death of Favre's father.

Meanwhile, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that Sterger hasn't decided whether she will cooperate with the NFL's investigation into the matter, which Mortensen interprets as very good news for Favre.

"If she doesn't cooperate," Mortensen reported, "it's very unlikely that Favre would be disciplined."

[imscott72]

Sounds like Favre cried while he addressed his teammates today. Where have we seen that before?

[vince]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASBJJBIZVmk

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/11/ryan-longwell-says-brett-favre-cried-as-he-apologized-to-teammates/


Ryan Longwell says Brett Favre cried as he apologized to teammates
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 11, 2010 6:26 PM ET
Vikings kicker Ryan Longwell, a longtime friend and teammate of Brett Favre's, says that Favre cried as he told teammates he was sorry for the distraction caused by allegations that he sexually harassed former Jets employee Jenn Sterger.

ESPN's Michelle Tafoya said on SportsCenter that she talked to Longwell about the meeting.

"Brett Favre actually broke down in tears and was very emotional, saying, 'I'm sorry to have been a distraction,'" Tafoya said she was told by Longwell.

Although Tafoya said that Longwell wouldn't give her all the details of the meeting, Longwell said that Favre appealed to his teammates to stick with him.

"I need you guys to carry me tonight," Favre told the Vikings, as related by Longwell to Tafoya. "I'm ready to go out there and give it my best, but I don't know what's going to happen."

Longwell, who played with Favre in Green Bay from 1997 to 2005, told Tafoya that the tearful team meeting was reminiscent of Favre addressing his Packers teammates in December of 2003 after the death of Favre's father.

Meanwhile, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that Sterger hasn't decided whether she will cooperate with the NFL's investigation into the matter, which Mortensen interprets as very good news for Favre.

"If she doesn't cooperate," Mortensen reported, "it's very unlikely that Favre would be disciplined."

The fact that he was crying shows he did it. He feels bad and regerts it. Everyone makes mistakes, be it a really big one. Still I hope he plays like crap today.

[cheesner]

[size=18]

"I need you guys to carry me tonight," Favre told the Vikings, as related by Longwell to Tafoya. "I'm ready to go out there and give it my best, but I don't know what's going to happen."

Longwell, who played with Favre in Green Bay from 1997 to 2005, told Tafoya that the tearful team meeting was reminiscent of Favre addressing his Packers teammates in December of 2003 after the death of Favre's father.



Was Brett looking for the same support?

I think feeling for a guy because a close loved one passes is far different than sorrow for a guy because he is an old pervert. Totally different levels and types of 'motivation'.

[ThunderDan]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/11/ryan-longwell-says-brett-favre-cried-as-he-apologized-to-teammates/


Ryan Longwell says Brett Favre cried as he apologized to teammates
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 11, 2010 6:26 PM ET
Vikings kicker Ryan Longwell, a longtime friend and teammate of Brett Favre's, says that Favre cried as he told teammates he was sorry for the distraction caused by allegations that he sexually harassed former Jets employee Jenn Sterger.

ESPN's Michelle Tafoya said on SportsCenter that she talked to Longwell about the meeting.

"Brett Favre actually broke down in tears and was very emotional, saying, 'I'm sorry to have been a distraction,'" Tafoya said she was told by Longwell.

Although Tafoya said that Longwell wouldn't give her all the details of the meeting, Longwell said that Favre appealed to his teammates to stick with him.

"I need you guys to carry me tonight," Favre told the Vikings, as related by Longwell to Tafoya. "I'm ready to go out there and give it my best, but I don't know what's going to happen."

Longwell, who played with Favre in Green Bay from 1997 to 2005, told Tafoya that the tearful team meeting was reminiscent of Favre addressing his Packers teammates in December of 2003 after the death of Favre's father.

Meanwhile, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that Sterger hasn't decided whether she will cooperate with the NFL's investigation into the matter, which Mortensen interprets as very good news for Favre.

"If she doesn't cooperate," Mortensen reported, "it's very unlikely that Favre would be disciplined."

The fact that he was crying shows he did it. He feels bad and regerts it. Everyone makes mistakes, be it a really big one. Still I hope he plays like crap today.

Yeah, why cry. If it was made up I think he would be "mad/pissed off" at Deadspin for dragging his teammates into this wrongly.

[vince]

The last sentence in the article bothers me. It would be a miscarriage of justice for B-rod to get off without any discipline because Sterger doesn't want to cooperate.

[swede]

ESPN Anchor: Michelle, have you spoken to Favre personally?

Tafoya: No, but Longwell gave Favre my cell number in case he wished to comment or elaborate...wait...I'm getting a text now and it's from Brett...perhaps he will...EWWWWW!

[imscott72]

She's got an attorney now. At the very minimum this is going to cost the Favre's some serious cash..

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/11/ryan-longwell-says-brett-favre-cried-as-he-apologized-to-teammates/


Ryan Longwell says Brett Favre cried as he apologized to teammates
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 11, 2010 6:26 PM ET
Vikings kicker Ryan Longwell, a longtime friend and teammate of Brett Favre's, says that Favre cried as he told teammates he was sorry for the distraction caused by allegations that he sexually harassed former Jets employee Jenn Sterger.

ESPN's Michelle Tafoya said on SportsCenter that she talked to Longwell about the meeting.

"Brett Favre actually broke down in tears and was very emotional, saying, 'I'm sorry to have been a distraction,'" Tafoya said she was told by Longwell.

Although Tafoya said that Longwell wouldn't give her all the details of the meeting, Longwell said that Favre appealed to his teammates to stick with him.

"I need you guys to carry me tonight," Favre told the Vikings, as related by Longwell to Tafoya. "I'm ready to go out there and give it my best, but I don't know what's going to happen."

Longwell, who played with Favre in Green Bay from 1997 to 2005, told Tafoya that the tearful team meeting was reminiscent of Favre addressing his Packers teammates in December of 2003 after the death of Favre's father.

Meanwhile, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that Sterger hasn't decided whether she will cooperate with the NFL's investigation into the matter, which Mortensen interprets as very good news for Favre.

"If she doesn't cooperate," Mortensen reported, "it's very unlikely that Favre would be disciplined."

The fact that he was crying shows he did it. He feels bad and regerts it. Everyone makes mistakes, be it a really big one. Still I hope he plays like crap today.

Yeah, why cry. If it was made up I think he would be "mad/pissed off" at Deadspin for dragging his teammates into this wrongly.

Yep thats what I would expect also. I mean thats how he reacted when he felt wronged by the packers and TT for trading him. He was pissed and even went on TV to make sure everyone knew it.

[cheesner]

ESPN Anchor: Michelle, have you spoken to Favre personally?

Tafoya: No, but Longwell gave Favre my cell number in case he wished to comment or elaborate...wait...I'm getting a text now and it's from Brett...perhaps he will...EWWWWW!
:lol:

[Iron Mike]

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/brett-favre-wangler-jeans.jpg

[gbgary]

ESPN Anchor: Michelle, have you spoken to Favre personally?

Tafoya: No, but Longwell gave Favre my cell number in case he wished to comment or elaborate...wait...I'm getting a text now and it's from Brett...perhaps he will...EWWWWW!
:lol:

http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:forums.corvetteforum.com/get/images/smilies/lol.gif

[hoosier]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/11/ryan-longwell-says-brett-favre-cried-as-he-apologized-to-teammates/


Ryan Longwell says Brett Favre cried as he apologized to teammates
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 11, 2010 6:26 PM ET
Vikings kicker Ryan Longwell, a longtime friend and teammate of Brett Favre's, says that Favre cried as he told teammates he was sorry for the distraction caused by allegations that he sexually harassed former Jets employee Jenn Sterger.

ESPN's Michelle Tafoya said on SportsCenter that she talked to Longwell about the meeting.

"Brett Favre actually broke down in tears and was very emotional, saying, 'I'm sorry to have been a distraction,'" Tafoya said she was told by Longwell.

Although Tafoya said that Longwell wouldn't give her all the details of the meeting, Longwell said that Favre appealed to his teammates to stick with him.

"I need you guys to carry me tonight," Favre told the Vikings, as related by Longwell to Tafoya. "I'm ready to go out there and give it my best, but I don't know what's going to happen."

Longwell, who played with Favre in Green Bay from 1997 to 2005, told Tafoya that the tearful team meeting was reminiscent of Favre addressing his Packers teammates in December of 2003 after the death of Favre's father.

Meanwhile, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that Sterger hasn't decided whether she will cooperate with the NFL's investigation into the matter, which Mortensen interprets as very good news for Favre.

"If she doesn't cooperate," Mortensen reported, "it's very unlikely that Favre would be disciplined."

The fact that he was crying shows he did it. He feels bad and regerts it. Everyone makes mistakes, be it a really big one. Still I hope he plays like crap today.

I think you meant to write that he "re-berts" it. As in he's very sorry, oh so sorry...that he got caught.

[pbmax]

I would not lay money on this game. Except for the chance there will be an obscene chant in the stands. I think he could play like his hair is on fire and light up the scoreboard (of course, those points could be in either column).

But of the things McGinn has written, one that has proven true over time is that he is a very willful player and should not ever be counted out.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/11/ryan-longwell-says-brett-favre-cried-as-he-apologized-to-teammates/


Ryan Longwell says Brett Favre cried as he apologized to teammates
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 11, 2010 6:26 PM ET
Vikings kicker Ryan Longwell, a longtime friend and teammate of Brett Favre's, says that Favre cried as he told teammates he was sorry for the distraction caused by allegations that he sexually harassed former Jets employee Jenn Sterger.

ESPN's Michelle Tafoya said on SportsCenter that she talked to Longwell about the meeting.

"Brett Favre actually broke down in tears and was very emotional, saying, 'I'm sorry to have been a distraction,'" Tafoya said she was told by Longwell.

Although Tafoya said that Longwell wouldn't give her all the details of the meeting, Longwell said that Favre appealed to his teammates to stick with him.

"I need you guys to carry me tonight," Favre told the Vikings, as related by Longwell to Tafoya. "I'm ready to go out there and give it my best, but I don't know what's going to happen."

Longwell, who played with Favre in Green Bay from 1997 to 2005, told Tafoya that the tearful team meeting was reminiscent of Favre addressing his Packers teammates in December of 2003 after the death of Favre's father.

Meanwhile, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that Sterger hasn't decided whether she will cooperate with the NFL's investigation into the matter, which Mortensen interprets as very good news for Favre.

"If she doesn't cooperate," Mortensen reported, "it's very unlikely that Favre would be disciplined."

The fact that he was crying shows he did it. He feels bad and regerts it. Everyone makes mistakes, be it a really big one. Still I hope he plays like crap today.

I think you meant to write that he "re-berts" it. As in he's very sorry, oh so sorry...that he got caught.

Lol yeah. I know he regrets getting caught.

[green_bowl_packer]

http://stylealchemy.com/ruminations/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/dawson.gif

[mmmdk]

Nothing will happen to lord Favre as the only balls Goodell will have on the matter; are the balls lord Favre texts Goodell.

BF has lied plenty in the past; ask Deanna, Packers & Detroit Lions.

NB - How can Longwell compare Favre's crying about his [now] puplic dick and the death of Favre's father? Favre is truely disturbed and Longwell is clueless.

[vince]

Harry Caray says, "Sterger spelled backwards is REGRETS."

Yes he does Harry.

[vince]

How ironic is it that Woody Johnson brought Pevre to New York. He just had to return the favor.

[digitaldean]

Favre evasive as hell at his postgame presser....

Asked numerous times about the investigation by NFL, immediately said "if you want to talk about football, I will comment on the game".

Asked point blank are the allegations are true or false... if you want to ask about the game, I'll answer questions about that. If the text stuff is false, then why not just come out and say it!!??

Good ol'Bert. No "aw shucks" or "good ol' boy" type of demeanor is going to get him off the hook on this one.

[Bossman641]

Favre evasive as hell at his postgame presser....

Asked numerous times about the investigation by NFL, immediately said "if you want to talk about football, I will comment on the game".

Asked point blank are the allegations are true or false... if you want to ask about the game, I'll answer questions about that. If the text stuff is false, then why not just come out and say it!!??

Good ol'Bert. No "aw shucks" or "good ol' boy" type of demeanor is going to get him off the hook on this one.

Was he wearing Wranglers? That really feeds into the good ol boy act. If he wasn't wearing them it's possible the media weren't sucked in enough.

[woodbuck27]

Woody, we all get your point. That video they posted isn't enough on its own to prove anything. With enough time and effort I could have made that video and I've never spoken with Favre in my life.

The video is not proof but getting the smoking gun phone records is so trivial that you've got seriously doubt how any website would make that video if none of it could be verified by the NFL. Its really a matter of seeing if the number that sent the pictures and left the voice mails is known to be Favre's phone. We're all thrilled because the NFL is going to bust him easily if it really happened which it probably did. Its not exactly far fetched just because you want it to be.

Ok so he probably did it, but will he get in any real trouble? Why would the NFL investigate if there weren't going to be consequences? The fact that the women involved were harassed at work makes it likely as well. Even if he's not punished by the NFL I'll still revel in the bad press he's getting. Karma be damned, that shits not real although the fact that this is all happening to Favre may suggest otherwise. Do I feel bad for his family? Yeah, but not because people are slandering their father and husband--because it looks like their father and husband is a sleezeball.


3irty1 I cetainly appreciate your manners and personal points of view in the above post, man.

I do not know if Favre's guilty 3irty1, not yet. When and if I learn of his guilt, as determined by the NFL,, or otherwise, I'll post my honest reaction and give this forum a piece of my meat. I'm not, a too proud man. :)

Till then ... Favre's innoscent and I'll defend his innoscent until proven guilty, basic human rights. ... woodbuck27

[hawaii50]

Favre evasive as hell at his postgame presser....

Asked numerous times about the investigation by NFL, immediately said "if you want to talk about football, I will comment on the game".

Asked point blank are the allegations are true or false... if you want to ask about the game, I'll answer questions about that. If the text stuff is false, then why not just come out and say it!!??

Good ol'Bert. No "aw shucks" or "good ol' boy" type of demeanor is going to get him off the hook on this one.


man, i just watched his post game presser and boy did he seem flustered when they asked him about the texts. did you see how he tried to change the subject? "anyone wanna talk about randy moss?" (silence) "Percy. Anyone wanna talk about percy?" (Silence). Then he proceeded to ramble on for what felt like 5 minutes about nothing hoping they'd change the subject...it was pathetic

Like you said, I think the media isn't falling for his "aw shucks" personality anymore. I'm just hoping jenn sterger doesn't bail out of the investigation so we can all find out what the "truth" is...(because it's so hard to tell :lol: )

[woodbuck27]

But Woody, you've been expressing your opinion as truth. As in, you are 100% certain of the truth, and the truth is Favre is innocent. But we don't know that to be truth. We don't know that to be lies, either.

What pbmax is suggesting is simply that you, being a man of truth, should be open to the possibility that your opinion in the matter may not in fact be truth at all. Maybe it is, we'll see.

But it's not okay to preach about the truth when you won't be bothered to look into the matter to discern the truth. It's not truth just because it's what you'd like to believe.


I'm referring to the evidence from that video that in all fairness I felt no personal need to view pbmax.

If you won't view the evidence, how would you have any idea of the truth? Maybe the truth lies within that evidence you feel no need to examine.

You are looking at this as a matter of law. Innocent until proven guilty. I feel the same way as a matter of law. But this isn't a matter of law just yet Woody. At this time it's a matter of public opinion. It's in the court of public opinion that Favre is being tried right now.

Evidence has been presented in this case, whether you choose to view it or not. Others have, and their opinions have been swayed by said evidence. To many, Favre is guilty. To you, Favre is innocent. That's how this court works. It's the only court in which Favre is being tried right now, and everyone is a judge. Some of us will be wrong, some of us will be right. So how about allowing for the possibility that Favre just might be guilty before saying that all of us who have already convicted him in OUR court are full of it.

I'm not into :) viewing such evidence Gunakor. I'm not a gossip type. I'm removed from needing titillation and sensationalism to enter my life. I'm a Christian Gunakor. It's not my place as ' just a fan ', to have to view smut. I choose that as my free will choice and believe that's certainly for me... best. I trust you'll understand me even if that disagree's with your position.

I don't have to do any viewing when I can read here and elsewhere, about content and reaction to such, given the claims that do nothing to me to make any judgement.

Gunokar. We agree that Favre is 'in fact' being tried in the court of public opinion and he's ' in fact ' either guilty or innoscent of charges against him. I'm raised and live as a fair person. It's obvious to me that I'm far removed in my personality and personal standards from certain posters at Packerrats. I'm not better or superior but maybe simply more fortunate that some in terms related to my needs to express overall goodwill and positive self esteem. I am only for what's fair and obviously a course of PEACE and distinct and decent harmony.

As a Christian. I choose a more positive way than ' to hate'. I choose understanding and mannerly communication overall. I'm human and I sometimes get pissed and make error and I make no excuse for those times.

I try to learn from those errors. To make a solid contribution overall to Packerrats. In terms related to some posters here that I certainly disagree with or totlly oppose. I try to achieve at least a compromise that works best for the general population of the society I choose to exist in and contribute to Gonokor.

As a member of Packerrats I stand for a better way then to choose **
' hatred ' as an expression related with any criticisms of any person. In specific terms, directly related to a man that I've admired and maintain made such a great contribution to the NFL team we support. The Green Bay Packers. A man that tried to be a great Packer and in many ways succeeded. Brett Favre.

To Packerrats:

I sincerely believe that:

** Hatred is a negative and dangerous emotion that has throughout history, inspired obsessions with the consequence of desruction and damage to people that are different from the haters. Haters that have misused their power. Hatred only leads to obsessions, that border on or become the highest levels of evil, if that hatred is left unchecked.

The negative consequences any person familiar with history is aware of, Gunakor.

Hatred cannot be ignored. It certainly cannot be laughed at and must never be condoned or admired as an emotion that's commendable. It must be strongly opposed by anyone that refuses to hate; that has a way that's more even and not at all controlling or dominant.

It's IMO, a too strong emotion that must be tempered by any person. If it's influence coupled with obsessin and any manner of power isn't curbed or removed in the general context of it's use. All members of such a society are harmed. That emotion (hatred) starts small and as any society allows for it to leak in, it will flourish or grow to be that emotion that will, over time, dominate any society destructively.

Packerrats is such a society Gunokar. It's over the top too evident that some posters here actually imagine it's OK to express hate (hatred) and to use such emotion in their agenda (s). Such people are sick individuals that know no better or are ignorant sometimes until they manage to run agendas that secure their needs and that often means to crush those innoscent of hate.

Packerats and Gunokar:

I object to an outright admission of that emotion (hatred) as a driving force behind any persons agenda (s). Such emotion gets to 'in my face' and I rebel against that. I never have nor will run away fron the challenge to defeat it. I stand in for 'the right way' or fight to stop it before it's too late and there is suffering for anyone, and some to many. These haters have hurt posters here and in the past. They are the same people that hate and others actually migrste to them. Their power grows slowly as another and yet another joins their silly /sick club. Hate inspired groups that are composed of posters that feed on themselves to nourish their power of hate.

It's a progressive negative emotion that feeds on itself everyone at Packerrats. I address thsi to all here including and moreso those that hate. I believe those haters expose themselves as that need of power comes from their overall weakness.

It creeps into a society and will dominate unless more mild mannered folk stand up and be counted against it. I am such a person to stand against hate (Hatred). I do so as a course in my life that realizes such emotion reflects evil. By the way such people can be very charming.

I'm not charming. I am honest. I am forthright . I am strong. I am perseverant in my first agenda here atbPackerrats to help protect the positive integrity of this Packer home and NFL fan site against haters and their bent for destructive agenda (s) that is driven to manipulate 'YOU' and monopolize Packerats to persevere in their self serving needs.

They are so easily exposed , So easily seen here Packerrats. They hate.

That fact cannot be ignored by the membership here as a whole. If it's ignored the overwelming and obvious negative result is easily predicted as destruction in terms of those that oppose haters. It starts a a small seed and grows and grows to meet it's own purpose. Enevitable and total ruination for the general population exposed to that hatred.

My position Re: Brett Favre is based on two things Gunakor:

a)Today he's under investigation by the NFL Rules and Personal Conduct Committee. Today. He's innoscent of the charges Vs him; and that as a matter of basic and decent respect for that man's dignity and reputation. Moreso, the dignity that his immediate family ( wife and children) and family overall deserves from all people.

b) I especially stand in that regard, in terms of my association with Packerrats and members here that I've come to associate with and learn about. Deal with in terms from real respect, learning positively and appreciation of them as decent and positive overall forward minded posters.

Then there's the flip side. Those posters here at Packerrats thatbI must oppose to exercise myself the best I can to adamently disrespect and oppose 'the haters' and selfish posters that manage to suvive here and make Packerats a place that people not strong enough to deal with run away from.

These posters are in no uncertain terms...bullies. They enjoy themselves and their sick ways. They support one another in ignorance or somehow assist one another to achieve agenda's with a common thread of hatred as their core emotion.

I've observed thes posters here and since spring of 2005 or going back to JSO's Green Bay Packer forum. Their easyy to spot. They attack anyone that ever stands opposed to any one of them. Watch how they flock together when any one of themis opposed. They have their own club abd they become most powerful in themselves when it's easiest for them to hate.

GO PACK GO!

[woodbuck27]

One thing about Favre is he's always been brutally honest. I credit his old man for that. If Brett did this he won't lie about it.
Disagree wholeheartedly with this. Brett Favre has been lying to his wife and family for years. You don't think he lies to the public for his own benefit? He's been lying and manipulating his way through the NFL for the last three years at least.

Favre wants nothing more than for this to go away with the least amount of damage possible. The only reason he's not lying about it is making a big deal out of it by denying the accusations in the face of irrefutable evidence and multiple eyewitnesses (including a pissed off husband) in the middle of an NFL investigation would only do the opposite.

It's quite possible there are many, many more skeletons he'd prefer to keep in the closet here.

He who judges....

[woodbuck27]

One thing about Favre is he's always been brutally honest. I credit his old man for that. If Brett did this he won't lie about it.
Disagree wholeheartedly with this. Brett Favre has been lying to his wife and family for years.

Lying about it, or just hiding it? I guess we can't answer that one.

and we should not venture into that arena.

That's ' only ' Brett Favre and his wife Deanna's personal life and business Packerrats. A common decent approach for all outsiders is never to get involved in their life, and especially not to comment speculatively.

Speculation leads to rumor and rumor often only to hurt and otherwise damage.

[woodbuck27]

B-rod has a strange way of denying this...

Favre Apologizes To Teammates About Naked Crotch Shots

Brett Favre – who allegedly took pictures of his private parts and sent them to a Jets employee named Jenn Sterger – today apologized to his teammates about the distraction,

Yeah, Vince, but this is what "wholesome" men do. It's their way of denying that any of this could possibly be true. /sarcasm

Tarlam! ' the wanna be master ' of the re-direct.

A man's honor is his own.

A man dishonored by lies and deceit is protected or sheltered best inside himself.

Innoscence cannot be challenged by 'the mob', before the proof supplied by evidence is judged by appointed peers.

Any person that allows emotion to run amuck before ' the facts of evidence ' is playing the fool. :idea:

and I add this:

From the story:

Ryan Longwell says Brett Favre cried as he apologized to teammates

Posted by: Michael David Smith ... October 11, 2010 6:26 PM ET

From this story ...

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that Sterger hasn't decided whether she will cooperate with the NFL's investigation into the matter, which Mortensen interprets as very good news for Favre.

"If she doesn't cooperate," Mortensen reported, "it's very unlikely that Favre would be disciplined."

[MJZiggy]

B-rod has a strange way of denying this...

Favre Apologizes To Teammates About Naked Crotch Shots

Brett Favre – who allegedly took pictures of his private parts and sent them to a Jets employee named Jenn Sterger – today apologized to his teammates about the distraction,

Yeah, Vince, but this is what "wholesome" men do. It's their way of denying that any of this could possibly be true. /sarcasm

Tarlam! ' the wanna be master ' of the re-direct.

A man's honor is his own.

A man dishonored by lies and deceit is protected or sheltered best inside himself.

Innoscence cannot be challenged by 'the mob', before the proof supplied by evidence is judged by appointed peers.

Any person that allows emotion to run amuck before ' the facts of evidence ' is playing the fool. :idea:

and I add this:

From the story:

Ryan Longwell says Brett Favre cried as he apologized to teammates

Posted by: Michael David Smith ... October 11, 2010 6:26 PM ET

From this story ...

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that Sterger hasn't decided whether she will cooperate with the NFL's investigation into the matter, which Mortensen interprets as very good news for Favre.

"If she doesn't cooperate," Mortensen reported, "it's very unlikely that Favre would be disciplined."

Woodbuck, why was Fave tearfully apologizing if he's done nothing wrong?

[woodbuck27]

B-rod has a strange way of denying this...

Favre Apologizes To Teammates About Naked Crotch Shots

Brett Favre – who allegedly took pictures of his private parts and sent them to a Jets employee named Jenn Sterger – today apologized to his teammates about the distraction,

Yeah, Vince, but this is what "wholesome" men do. It's their way of denying that any of this could possibly be true. /sarcasm

Tarlam! ' the wanna be master ' of the re-direct.

A man's honor is his own.

A man dishonored by lies and deceit is protected or sheltered best inside himself.

Innoscence cannot be challenged by 'the mob', before the proof supplied by evidence is judged by appointed peers.

Any person that allows emotion to run amuck before ' the facts of evidence ' is playing the fool. :idea:

and I add this:

From the story:

Ryan Longwell says Brett Favre cried as he apologized to teammates

Posted by: Michael David Smith ... October 11, 2010 6:26 PM ET

From this story ...

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that Sterger hasn't decided whether she will cooperate with the NFL's investigation into the matter, which Mortensen interprets as very good news for Favre.

"If she doesn't cooperate," Mortensen reported, "it's very unlikely that Favre would be disciplined."

Woodbuck, why was Fave tearfully apologizing if he's done nothing wrong?

Favre is well known as a very emotional person MJ. That's been reported often.

Do you read alot in a person's tears?

In Canada, or especially the tradition still exists to use tea leaves for that.

Tears often accompany pain/hurt when, for example in Favre's case. Silly football fans or hateful (hate inspired people) jumping on some ' beat him down bandwagon '.

I wonder?

Does he understand that in their ignorance and needs to judge and persecute. Some people lack moral and a certain higher quality and thinking. Lack decency and/or fairness. Are 'way over the top' impressed with sensationalism, dirty senseless rumors and character assinations.

Favre has given alot to all the teams he played for in the NFL, MJ. His driving personal goal is to assist his team the best he can and this past week has had to be a terrible distraction for him and his family. What an ugly shame.

Maybe he's feeling concern that his loyal fans may be in some doubt over this nonsence? He shouldn't be if that's the case. We understand Brett Favre and are certainly behind him through it all. Otherwise, we wouldn't be no more than simple football fans that are maybe weak, fickle, harsh and unfair as they fail to examine themselves before judging another.

He hasn't lost this fella yet. I've never been in any rush to judge a fellow human being. I'm just a human being. I cannot go there, or judge, as it's certainly wrong and personally to do so, wouldn't stand for who I am and desire to be. MJ. After all of my life I've managed to gain that much higher learning from higher thinking.

That may ony arrive through maturity in a sense unrelated to average maturity MJ. It may come from surviving life and it's many trials and tribulations and to live more gently in terms of that attitude of fairness.

You have to live life possibly for some longer time to have a real clue MJ.

I wouldn't be fair to myself MJ. :) I'm usually fair and accurate in how I see things and that's my patience coming to the front. I was taught to understand boudaries Vs when to be assertive / aggresive. There's not a fine line.

[vince]

Pevre may well get out of this situation without being punished by the NFL. If that occurs, it will have everything to do with MONEY and nothing to do with THE TRUTH. That much is blatantly obvious.

[woodbuck27]

Pevre may well get out of this situation without being punished by the NFL. If that occurs, it will have everything to do with MONEY and nothing to do with THE TRUTH. That much is blatantly obvious.

Absolutely no open mindedness in you Vince? No room 'for any possibility' Favre is completely innoscent? No room for fair judgement?

:idea:

[Bossman641]

Woodbuck, how can you accurately analyze the situation when you won't even look at the evidence? You are coming from a less knowledgeable position then probably every person here, yet you act 100% sure he is innocent?

Regarding judging, as far as I can see you judge SC and Tarlam nearly every chance you get. You also judge many on this forum with your holier than thou attitude lecturing to us all how horrible we are for believing Favre is guilty. Do you not find some of your statements a bit hypocritical??

[sheepshead]

Pevre may well get out of this situation without being punished by the NFL. If that occurs, it will have everything to do with MONEY and nothing to do with THE TRUTH. That much is blatantly obvious.

Absolutely no open mindedness in you Vince? No room 'for any possibility' Favre is completely innoscent? No room for fair judgement?

:idea:

You cant be that naive. oh maybe you can, look at your spelling.

[mmmdk]

Woodbuck, how can you accurately analyze the situation when you won't even look at the evidence? You are coming from a less knowledgeable position then probably every person here, yet you act 100% sure he is innocent?

Regarding judging, as far as I can see you judge SC and Tarlam nearly every chance you get. You also judge many on this forum with your holier than thou attitude lecturing to us all how horrible we are for believing Favre is guilty. Do you not find some of your statements a bit hypocritical??

BF is bipolar & his tears are crocodile tears.

[vince]

Pevre may well get out of this situation without being punished by the NFL. If that occurs, it will have everything to do with MONEY and nothing to do with THE TRUTH. That much is blatantly obvious.

Absolutely no open mindedness in you Vince? No room 'for any possibility' Favre is completely innoscent? No room for fair judgement?

:idea:
Woody, I've taken into account everything I know about Brett Favre, looked at all of the information about this situation with an open mind, listened to the voice messages (There is no doubt whatsoever that is his voice), seen that those messages and posts can be irrefutably traced back to hihis cell phone, and arrived at a conclusion which I am confident is very consistent with all that I've learned. Brett Favre does not deserve any respect whatsoever from me or anyone else in my opinion. He is a "creepy douche" with no regard for anyone but himself, including his own family. As you can see, I'm perfectly comfortable treating him as such.

I don't have the power to take away B-rod's freedom Woody, so I'm not bound by any threshold other than what I deem to be pretty simple common sense in this case. All I can hope to do is play some miniscule part in undermining the farce that the man's reputation and unbelievable wealth has been built on. I won't be buying Wrangler jeans anytime soon, and I'll be attempting to undermine Favre's image that has been built on lies and self-absorption. It ain't much, but it's all I got in this case Woody.

[vince]

I'll also add that, while neither Jenn Sterger nor the masseuses deserve to receive such uncouth and idiotic unwanted sexual advances, she now appears to be showing that she cares only about how she can best use this situation to her greatest financial advantage. That may well mean that she ignores her responsibility here. That would be unfortunate on many levels.

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, how can you accurately analyze the situation when you won't even look at the evidence? You are coming from a less knowledgeable position then probably every person here, yet you act 100% sure he is innocent?

Regarding judging, as far as I can see you judge SC and Tarlam nearly every chance you get. You also judge many on this forum with your holier than thou attitude lecturing to us all how horrible we are for believing Favre is guilty. Do you not find some of your statements a bit hypocritical??

"how can you accurately analyze the situation when you won't even look at the evidence?" Bossman641

I will never stoop so low as to watch some video of a man naked below the waist and jerking his slimy and acting like some under sexed slimeball with a woman that has zero interest in him.

Would viewing that video ensure that I would join the rest of the posters at Packerrats, judging Favre based on mere allegations of some tape that was attained without consent, and shows a man that has a voice similiar to Favre's and other body parts that many say just cannot be Favre's?

The answer is NO! Based on what I'm reading. Seeing that video would be a moot effort. Pointless and again a violation of my self respect and choice of free will.

You judge Favre. You join the rest of the railbirds Bossman641. Don't exercise Free Will. Don't act as your own man and take what I believe is the correct or higher road. Favre should not be judged publicly and certainly not at Packerrats. We should be above that as a small society.

You belong where your comfortable and feel right in your integrity. Right? You belong where your FREE WILL lands you. On the opposite side of a fence from me. That fence is called pre judgement. Your side YES! Favre's guilty.

My sde says:

I refuse to judge him. To do so would, 'in fact' make me 'a hypocrit', as I'm imagining many here are in their lack of decent sense, not to judge as that's ethically wrong. Hypocritically wrong and out of place, given. ' The fact' of your, or anyone else's humanity.

That's not my place. Are you perfect Bossman641? Anyone else here at Packerrats perfect? I'm certainly NOT perfect. The haters here will be very quick to inform you of wooodbuck27 and their assessment of me and perfect.

Watch or pay close attention how they go about that. Tyhey believe they have skills. Worse they believe that their correct and justified.They'll inform the membership of my frequent attacks on so many posters.

In fact any perceived attacks are most likely against them and their insider admirers and them not so much.

The clique at Packerreats. It certainly exists. They perceive they have certain and special powers. They are disallutioned. :)

Packerrats and Bossman641:

If your perfect, anyone? If that's the case then you may certainly justify to me your exceptional Goflike standards as and therefore be above most human beings and an eligible candidate to judge Favre based on your ideal set of morals and ethical behaviours. That only as your appointed to investigate, find guilty and punish Favre in light of his guilt.

I'm not prefecrt. I have not been perfect. I have error'd as a human being. I certainly may not be as solid in character as you are Bossman641? In any case, as I'm a mere human being I'm not qualified to judge Favre and not even eligible. I'm merely a football fan and noone has appointed me as judge of Favre RE: Deadspin published evidence or allegations of Favre's immoral or unethical behaviour.

Is that clear? :idea:


" You are coming from a less knowledgeable position then probably every person here, yet you act 100% sure he is innocent?" Bossman641

I'm not sure of either his guilt nor of his innoscence Bossman641.

My position is clearly stated. I don't as yet know. I act of my free will and choose the higher road. I refuse to lower my standards to anyone's that has judged Favre based on material, that many fans say does not fix Favre as the man in that Deadspin released video.

Deadspin....that is a certain play on words hahaaha... as in that spin by Deadspin is ' dead in the water BS' ...

...and as a result, slanderous to Brett Favre. Everey man or woman that jumps on the Favre is guilty, and positively, that man in that video is jumping the gun...persecuting Favre prematurely and a a result wrongly.

Is that clear to you now Bossman641?

A public judgement of Favre is hardly fair in terms related to the known evidence. A video and text messages that have to be carefully examined by people properly appointed to investigate all evidence. That's not you or I or anyone else at Packerrats. Is my position clear now? I cannot make my position more clear Bossman641 :idea:

" Regarding judging, as far as I can see you judge SC and Tarlam nearly every chance you get. You also judge many on this forum with your holier than thou attitude lecturing to us all how horrible we are for believing Favre is guilty. Do you not find some of your statements a bit hypocritical?? " Bossman641

I cannot judge Scott Campbell nor Tarlam! as I'm again not eligible. I can knowing them on boards /foums and seeing their style of behaviour and posts and their treatment of members here especially Scott Campbell's derisive and sarcastic offensive ways and manners poitively point out that they are haters. Read their posts. It's too easy to determine that fact in their personalities and agendas.

That cannot only be obvious to me. Others here cannot be totally blinded by their posts that clearly express their passions of hate. They both hate very well as more and more I see their power snare others at Packerrats as they join the cheer to persecute Favre. That is only one aspect of their power to hate.

That is their position and so be it. These two posters never get inside of me. I've observed their ways for five years. I've observed others here that act similiar or just like them in a sort of mutual admiration society or private club. So be it.

I don't have to, nor will I ever join their club. They are exactly what I don't ever desire to be, need to be and would lose my self-respect and moral and ethical integrity if I was to become like them. They are clearly driven by obsessions of hate. They are as a result dangerous to my Green Bay Packer fan forum or my Packer home on the internet...Packerrats. Our home ...all packerrats sense of what home should and must be maintaied to be. A place that is non-threatening and non evasive RE: common decency and respect for ALL of the membership. It's OK to disagre as long as they have their power and way. Try criticizing either of them and feel thir wrath and resentment.

Anyone at Packerrats I challenge you to go there.

I know that by making this statement I challenge both Scott Campbell and Tarlam! to change or expose themselves as just what they are, in terms related to past observations. I believe that they will threrefore change and I as a result protect Packerrats.

This issue I have is founded onn just that.It's not at all about me and my problems with either of them .I can handle Scott Campbell and Tarlam! easily. I've had to prove this in the past to myself or I would have gone the way of some past members that were not mas strong and left the Packer forum because of their discomfort or other personal pain because they felt oppressed and unsuported by the general membership that just sits and watch's 'thew show' without intervening and calling out these haters 'to just STOP'. To just clean up and stop their obsessions to ridicule and otherwise demean members of the forum that they choose to disrespect.

If you knew me and my background you would become more understanding of my necessary position.

I believe that the Scott Campbell's and the Tarlam!'s are as they are from their heritage and upbringing that I'm sure they are as proud of as I am mine, Bossman641. Unfortunately my ways and theirs are polar opposites and thus we end up on opposite sides, in terms of hard issues.

Are we so different inn terms of the fact of a cultural difference? Your from the USA. I'm a Canadian from the Maitimes of Eastern Canada.

Is our differences a factor that my father fought against haters and fashists and the perils of Nazi hatred and all innoscent people in that society that wern't of the status quo? Is it maybe because I live the best I cannas a Christian man? Is it a factor of maybe a difference in our educations? Maybe it has to do withjust a personality difference. An emotional balance difference? etc.

No hate is unacceptable as it's an offensive emotion that can only inspire a seed to a web of destruction and domination of their way or the highway and their way is absolutey wrong and unacceptable in OUR Packer forum. Not their Packer forum. Not ever just their agenda's based in their hatred and thus their sickness.

There you go Bossman641. My side of why I oppose the liikes of Scott Campbell and Tarlam!as they've been inmy most sincere and TRTHFUL observations over five years posting on the same Green Bay Packer forums as them.

I mean not to offend .ONly ask for the haters to intervene uponthemselves. STOP Hating. Stop being doninantly oppressive to anyone who ever desires to enjoy Packerats.

The above is TRUTH. My TRUTH. :idea:


My name is Edwin Wood woodbuck27

[red]

more personal attacks

when will something be done about this?

[pbmax]

Actually Woodbuck, the great majority of the video is audio only. A copy of two voice mails with no material that could be deemed not safe for work. If you stop after 2 minutes or so (the website gives the exact time) you can skip the photography altogether.

[mraynrand]

I challenge both Scott Campbell and Tarlam! to change or expose themselves

Isn't this exactly what started all the troubles?

[Freak Out]

This is why Packerrats is the best fan site on the web. :lol:

[Tarlam!]

more personal attacks

when will something be done about this?


:bclap: :wow: :bclap:

See Woody, your fan club lost another member.

[woodbuck27]

I challenge both Scott Campbell and Tarlam! to change or expose themselves

Isn't this exactly what started all the troubles?

With all respect.

No mraynrand. I'm struggling for one ideal here man.

PEACE for all members of this forum.

Packerats as a Packer fan site home.

That home being for ALL members ... OURS. OUR HOME!

Our home existing in terms entirely based in common respect,dignity and a duty for all members at Packerrats to use common sense in not harming any member that isn't posting in accordance with those that broadcast hate and obsessively post in that manner.

[sheepshead]

I challenge both Scott Campbell and Tarlam! to change or expose themselves

Isn't this exactly what started all the troubles?

With all respect.

No mraynrand. I'm struggling for one ideal here man.

PEACE for all members of this forum.

Packerats as a Packer fan site home.

That home being for ALL members ... OURS. OUR HOME!

Our home existing in terms entirely based in common respect,dignity and a duty for all members at Packerrats to use common sense in not harming any member that isn't posting in accordance with those that broadcast hate and obsessively post in that manner.

can you take a picture of your house and post it please?

[Cheesehead Craig]

The natives here in MN are very restless.

Forums scream that Favre should be benched.

They point to that T-Jack had better numbers than Favre and was benched for it.

Yes, there are calls for T-Jack. And they are not few in number.

[sheepshead]

The natives here in MN are very restless.

Forums scream that Favre should be benched.

They point to that T-Jack had better numbers than Favre and was benched for it.

Yes, there are calls for T-Jack. And they are not few in number.

Favre sure looked pedestrian last night that's for sure.

Florio just said the same thing...

[woodbuck27]

Actually Woodbuck, the great majority of the video is audio only. A copy of two voice mails with no material that could be deemed not safe for work. If you stop after 2 minutes or so (the website gives the exact time) you can skip the photography altogether.

OK Thank You pbmax. I appreciate that information.

pbmax:

Do you 100% find that that man's voice in that source of information or purported evidence. That on that video, that the man is 'in fact' Brett Favre. That your 100% positive that's Brett Favre speaking on that video?

I'm sorry Packerrats but I have to leave here for the day. Places to go. Things to do. People to see.

Have a wonderful day. :)

[HowardRoark]

Woodbuck, how can you accurately analyze the situation when you won't even look at the evidence? You are coming from a less knowledgeable position then probably every person here, yet you act 100% sure he is innocent?

Regarding judging, as far as I can see you judge SC and Tarlam nearly every chance you get. You also judge many on this forum with your holier than thou attitude lecturing to us all how horrible we are for believing Favre is guilty. Do you not find some of your statements a bit hypocritical??

"how can you accurately analyze the situation when you won't even look at the evidence?" Bossman641

I will never stoop so low as to watch some video of a man naked below the waist and jerking his slimy and acting like some under sexed slimeball with a woman that has zero interest in him.

Would viewing that video ensure that I would join the rest of the posters at Packerrats, judging Favre based on mere allegations of some tape that was attained without consent, and shows a man that has a voice similiar to Favre's and other body parts that many say just cannot be Favre's?

The answer is NO! Based on what I'm reading. Seeing that video would be a moot effort. Pointless and again a violation of my self respect and choice of free will.

You judge Favre. You join the rest of the railbirds Bossman641. Don't exercise Free Will. Don't act as your own man and take what I believe is the correct or higher road. Favre should not be judged publicly and certainly not at Packerrats. We should be above that as a small society.

You belong where your comfortable and feel right in your integrity. Right? You belong where your FREE WILL lands you. On the opposite side of a fence from me. That fence is called pre judgement. Your side YES! Favre's guilty.

My sde says:

I refuse to judge him. To do so would, 'in fact' make me 'a hypocrit', as I'm imagining many here are in their lack of decent sense, not to judge as that's ethically wrong. Hypocritically wrong and out of place, given. ' The fact' of your, or anyone else's humanity.

That's not my place. Are you perfect Bossman641? Anyone else here at Packerrats perfect? I'm certainly NOT perfect. The haters here will be very quick to inform you of wooodbuck27 and their assessment of me and perfect.

Watch or pay close attention how they go about that. Tyhey believe they have skills. Worse they believe that their correct and justified.They'll inform the membership of my frequent attacks on so many posters.

In fact any perceived attacks are most likely against them and their insider admirers and them not so much.

The clique at Packerreats. It certainly exists. They perceive they have certain and special powers. They are disallutioned. :)

Packerrats and Bossman641:

If your perfect, anyone? If that's the case then you may certainly justify to me your exceptional Goflike standards as and therefore be above most human beings and an eligible candidate to judge Favre based on your ideal set of morals and ethical behaviours. That only as your appointed to investigate, find guilty and punish Favre in light of his guilt.

I'm not prefecrt. I have not been perfect. I have error'd as a human being. I certainly may not be as solid in character as you are Bossman641? In any case, as I'm a mere human being I'm not qualified to judge Favre and not even eligible. I'm merely a football fan and noone has appointed me as judge of Favre RE: Deadspin published evidence or allegations of Favre's immoral or unethical behaviour.

Is that clear? :idea:


" You are coming from a less knowledgeable position then probably every person here, yet you act 100% sure he is innocent?" Bossman641

I'm not sure of either his guilt nor of his innoscence Bossman641.

My position is clearly stated. I don't as yet know. I act of my free will and choose the higher road. I refuse to lower my standards to anyone's that has judged Favre based on material, that many fans say does not fix Favre as the man in that Deadspin released video.

Deadspin....that is a certain play on words hahaaha... as in that spin by Deadspin is ' dead in the water BS' ...

...and as a result, slanderous to Brett Favre. Everey man or woman that jumps on the Favre is guilty, and positively, that man in that video is jumping the gun...persecuting Favre prematurely and a a result wrongly.

Is that clear to you now Bossman641?

A public judgement of Favre is hardly fair in terms related to the known evidence. A video and text messages that have to be carefully examined by people properly appointed to investigate all evidence. That's not you or I or anyone else at Packerrats. Is my position clear now? I cannot make my position more clear Bossman641 :idea:

" Regarding judging, as far as I can see you judge SC and Tarlam nearly every chance you get. You also judge many on this forum with your holier than thou attitude lecturing to us all how horrible we are for believing Favre is guilty. Do you not find some of your statements a bit hypocritical?? " Bossman641

I cannot judge Scott Campbell nor Tarlam! as I'm again not eligible. I can knowing them on boards /foums and seeing their style of behaviour and posts and their treatment of members here especially Scott Campbell's derisive and sarcastic offensive ways and manners poitively point out that they are haters. Read their posts. It's too easy to determine that fact in their personalities and agendas.

That cannot only be obvious to me. Others here cannot be totally blinded by their posts that clearly express their passions of hate. They both hate very well as more and more I see their power snare others at Packerrats as they join the cheer to persecute Favre. That is only one aspect of their power to hate.

That is their position and so be it. These two posters never get inside of me. I've observed their ways for five years. I've observed others here that act similiar or just like them in a sort of mutual admiration society or private club. So be it.

I don't have to, nor will I ever join their club. They are exactly what I don't ever desire to be, need to be and would lose my self-respect and moral and ethical integrity if I was to become like them. They are clearly driven by obsessions of hate. They are as a result dangerous to my Green Bay Packer fan forum or my Packer home on the internet...Packerrats. Our home ...all packerrats sense of what home should and must be maintaied to be. A place that is non-threatening and non evasive RE: common decency and respect for ALL of the membership. It's OK to disagre as long as they have their power and way. Try criticizing either of them and feel thir wrath and resentment.

Anyone at Packerrats I challenge you to go there.

I know that by making this statement I challenge both Scott Campbell and Tarlam! to change or expose themselves as just what they are, in terms related to past observations. I believe that they will threrefore change and I as a result protect Packerrats.

This issue I have is founded onn just that.It's not at all about me and my problems with either of them .I can handle Scott Campbell and Tarlam! easily. I've had to prove this in the past to myself or I would have gone the way of some past members that were not mas strong and left the Packer forum because of their discomfort or other personal pain because they felt oppressed and unsuported by the general membership that just sits and watch's 'thew show' without intervening and calling out these haters 'to just STOP'. To just clean up and stop their obsessions to ridicule and otherwise demean members of the forum that they choose to disrespect.

If you knew me and my background you would become more understanding of my necessary position.

I believe that the Scott Campbell's and the Tarlam!'s are as they are from their heritage and upbringing that I'm sure they are as proud of as I am mine, Bossman641. Unfortunately my ways and theirs are polar opposites and thus we end up on opposite sides, in terms of hard issues.

Are we so different inn terms of the fact of a cultural difference? Your from the USA. I'm a Canadian from the Maitimes of Eastern Canada.

Is our differences a factor that my father fought against haters and fashists and the perils of Nazi hatred and all innoscent people in that society that wern't of the status quo? Is it maybe because I live the best I cannas a Christian man? Is it a factor of maybe a difference in our educations? Maybe it has to do withjust a personality difference. An emotional balance difference? etc.

No hate is unacceptable as it's an offensive emotion that can only inspire a seed to a web of destruction and domination of their way or the highway and their way is absolutey wrong and unacceptable in OUR Packer forum. Not their Packer forum. Not ever just their agenda's based in their hatred and thus their sickness.

There you go Bossman641. My side of why I oppose the liikes of Scott Campbell and Tarlam!as they've been inmy most sincere and TRTHFUL observations over five years posting on the same Green Bay Packer forums as them.

I mean not to offend .ONly ask for the haters to intervene uponthemselves. STOP Hating. Stop being doninantly oppressive to anyone who ever desires to enjoy Packerats.

The above is TRUTH. My TRUTH. :idea:


My name is Edwin Wood woodbuck27

How can you tupe this much?

[swede]

My name is Edwin Wood



MY name is Edwin Wood.


http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z236/dsteenswede44/truth_big.jpg

[channtheman]

Serious question. Does anyone here actually read Woodbuck's book length posts? Or do you scroll past them and continually be amazed by the length?

[mraynrand]

.........................

How can you tupe this much?

Once you start tuping, it's hard to stop:

http://www.05news.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/James-Traficant.jpg

http://www.findagrave.com/photos/2007/111/7960_117723159374.jpg

[get louder at lambeau]

Serious question. Does anyone here actually read Woodbuck's book length posts? Or do you scroll past them and continually be amazed by the length?

I scroll.

[mraynrand]

Serious question. Does anyone here actually read Woodbuck's book length posts? Or do you scroll past them and continually be amazed by the length?

I just try to find a funny snippet, that I can take out of context. Then Woody answers it SERIOUSLY! That's Hi-larious! Woody is a Packerrats icon...

http://vote08.freedomblogging.com/files/2008/08/perot.jpg

[vince]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2010/10/12/2010-10-12_tv_hostess_could_opt_for_brett_hush_money.html


Jenn Sterger could take money from Brett Favre to keep quiet, attorney Gloria Allred says

BY Michael O'Keeffe
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER


The sexy TV personality who allegedly received X-rated crotch shots from Brett Favre is under no obligation to talk to NFL investigators - and, according to attorney Gloria Allred, she could even agree to a deal with the legendary quarterback to keep her mouth shut.

Attorneys who believe their clients have legitimate harassment complaints can negotiate settlements that include confidentiality clauses, Allred told the Daily News Monday.

"Parties often agree to confidential settlements rather than have one party pursue litigation," said Allred, who represented Tiger Woods' mistresses Rachel Uchitel, who is reported to have received a settlement from Woods prior to canceling a news conference, and porn actress Joslyn James. "If there's no legal merit to the claim, that's a different situation."

Sterger has not ruled out cooperating with the NFL's probe but she has also not yet agreed to talk to the league's investigators, according to a source familiar with the NFL inquiry. Sterger's manager, Phil Reese, declined comment Monday when asked if she has retained counsel.

"We're looking at all our options right now and our only concern is what's in Jenn's best interest," Reese said in an email to the News.

Unlike prosecutors, NFL investigators cannot issue subpoenas requiring Sterger to talk about the photos and voicemails Favre allegedly sent in a clumsy attempt to woo Sterger, who is now a host of "The Daily Line" on Versus.

"She has no legal duty to speak to the NFL," Allred said. "The only way you can compel somebody to answer questions is with a subpoena."

A.J. Daulerio, the Deadspin editor who posted on his website what he says are pictures of Favre's private parts last week, says he's heard from Sterger's friends that the former Jets game-day hostess has been getting pressure to not speak to the NFL gumshoes.

"She doesn't want to be known as the person who ruined the public perception of this guy," said Daulerio, who has not spoken directly with Sterger.

Deadspin posted three pictures of private parts it says the Minnesota Vikings quarterback sent to Sterger in 2008, when Favre was with the Jets and Sterger was the game-day hostess.

Daulerio also posted voicemails he says that Favre, a 41-year-old grandfather, left on Sterger's phone in a attempt to hook up with the 26-year-old model, actress and TV host.

Two other women - massage therapists who also worked for the Jets in 2008 - have said Favre sent them unwelcome texts, phone calls and emails.

Daulerio said Sterger did not supply the photos and voicemails. The website purchased them from a third party he refused to identify.

[HowardRoark]

Or do you scroll past them and continually be amazed by the length?

I think that's whart that gal working for the Jets did.

[Guiness]

Maybe I'm just slow here (and I have scrolled past most of this thread) but it just occured to me that Deanna knows the truth.

Two seconds for her to have a peek at the photos and give it a yay or nay. So I'd guess his fate is determined one way or the other where she's concerned.

Of course, we're all assuming she's concerned...

[HowardRoark]

Maybe I'm just slow here (and I have scrolled past most of this thread) but it just occured to me that Deanna knows the truth.

Two seconds for her to have a peek at the photos and give it a yay or nay. So I'd guess his fate is determined one way or the other where she's concerned.

Of course, we're all assuming she's concerned...

I think it's a Bill & Hillary dealy.

[Guiness]

Of course, we're all assuming she's concerned...

I think it's a Bill & Hillary dealy.
My point exactly.

[Tarlam!]

I cannot judge Scott Campbell nor Tarlam! as I'm again not eligible.

Well, in this post alone you pass judgement on quite a few occasions,

[Tarlam!]

They both hate very well as more and more I see their power snare others at Packerrats as they join the cheer to persecute Favre.

I'm a Packer fan. I'm entitled to hate Brett Favre, just as much as you are entitled to have a man crush on him. You insist only you way or the highway. That's unacceptable in a democracy and, unless you own the Packer Rats, unacceptable here.

[Tarlam!]

These two posters never get inside of me.

:shock: Why would I want to? You sick old man. Seriously though, I saw this in another posters reply. Only then did I scan your latest Phd thesis to put it into context. I ignored the rest of your dribble.

[Tarlam!]

I don't have to, nor will I ever join their club. They are exactly what I don't ever desire to be, need to be and would lose my self-respect and moral and ethical integrity if I was to become like them.

I don't speak for SC, he doesn't for me. He has stuck to his word and left your completely alone on this thread. He has demonstrated his ability to keep his word. You, on the other hand, are still in it, despite saying you were out. Integrity. You don't come close to demonstrating it.I think you're confusing integrity with hypocracy

[Tarlam!]

They are clearly driven by obsessions of hate. They are as a result dangerous to my Green Bay Packer fan forum or my Packer home on the internet...Packerrats. Our home ...all packerrats sense of what home should and must be maintaied to be.

Funny, but you seem to be the only one that believes this. Was there a vote for poster spokesperson and you won? When was that? I must have been drafting my wreck PR manifesto at the time.

[Tarlam!]

Try criticizing either of them and feel thir wrath and resentment.

I get critisism all the time from other posters, I have observed SC cop it as well. As long as personal attacks are void of such critisism I am "not guilty as charged"

[Tarlam!]

I know that by making this statement I challenge both Scott Campbell and Tarlam! to change or expose themselves as just what they are, in terms related to past observations. I believe that they will threrefore change and I as a result protect Packerrats.

This is jibberish. What you see is what you get. I don't have an urge to change, the owner hasn't issued me with a warning and when I've been outta line, posters have pointed it out and I usually apologize. As to exposing myself - what the hell are you even talking about?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Maybe I'm just slow here (and I have scrolled past most of this thread) but it just occured to me that Deanna knows the truth.

Two seconds for her to have a peek at the photos and give it a yay or nay. So I'd guess his fate is determined one way or the other where she's concerned.

Of course, we're all assuming she's concerned...

He's be a moron to text her a photo of his private parts. Of course, he'd be a moron to send her voice mails also. It's possible that he is an old pervert that made the calls, but the nasty photo he sent wasn't him. Would be interesting to know, but I bet she gets hush money.

[Tarlam!]

To just clean up and stop their obsessions to ridicule and otherwise demean members of the forum that they choose to disrespect.

The only person I was ever hostile against was Sheepshead. I still am and probably always will be. Unless personally attacked, or force fed religeon on a fooball site, I'm cool. No, I lie. mmmk and I had words recently, but I think that's a Danish/German deal.

[Tarlam!]

Unfortunately my ways and theirs are polar opposites and thus we end up on opposite sides, in terms of hard issues.

I don't care if we are polar opposites on anything. My problem is with you. I am appalled at your total disregard for the English language, grammar punctuation, incessant use of CAPS and insisting on addressing posters by name at the end or beginning of each non-sentence. I have no problems with your typos, we all make those.

I take issue with your "I'm morally superior to you" approach and your compulsion to impersonate John the Baptist proclaing THE TRUTH IS, speaking on behalf of all Packer Fans on this, our Packer home.

I and, it would seem many others, take issue with the abnormal length of your posts

[Tarlam!]

An emotional balance difference?

I agree. I've always maintained you are emotionally unbalanced.

[Tarlam!]

No hate is unacceptable as it's an offensive emotion that can only inspire a seed to a web of destruction and domination of their way or the highway and their way is absolutey wrong and unacceptable in OUR Packer forum. Not their Packer forum. Not ever just their agenda's based in their hatred and thus their sickness.

More of being a spokesperson, more passing judgements.

I dislike only 4 posters here. You for the reasons described here, Sheepshead, but the feeling is mutual. Sheep is quick to get into peronal attacks and I hate that from any poster. But I admire his knowledge and always read his opinions on football. And two others that I won't mention here.

I try and treat everyone with respect, except you 4. I'm sure I've pissed off more than just these 4 posters and I'm disliked by many more than just 4 posters. I can live with it. I also can't contribute too much football wise, because when we first started posting, I didn't know the difference between a 3-4 and a 4-3. I am grateful for the knowledge imparted upon me by the posters here.

It's occured to me that this thread is nearly 20 pages long and you, Woodbuck27, are the only person here defending Favre. Doesn't that give you cause to stop and rethink your position?

[Tarlam!]

Serious question. Does anyone here actually read Woodbuck's book length posts? Or do you scroll past them and continually be amazed by the length?

I scroll, but in this last episode was alerted by another poster. See Chan, I took your advice and broke it into digestable pieces. Thanks for the advice.

[Tarlam!]

Jenn Sterger could take money from Brett Favre to keep quiet, attorney Gloria Allred says


Damned, I hope she pulls him over the coals. But her laywer may get her to settle quickly, because of his popularity amongst potential jurors.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Maybe I'm just slow here (and I have scrolled past most of this thread) but it just occured to me that Deanna knows the truth.

Two seconds for her to have a peek at the photos and give it a yay or nay. So I'd guess his fate is determined one way or the other where she's concerned.

Of course, we're all assuming she's concerned...

He's be a moron to text her a photo of his private parts. Of course, he'd be a moron to send her voice mails also. It's possible that he is an old pervert that made the calls, but the nasty photo he sent wasn't him. Would be interesting to know, but I bet she gets hush money.

Well, paying her hush money is the same as admitting guilt IMO. Everyone would know for sure that he did it then.

One doesn't pay someone to be quiet unless they have something damning to say about the other that they don't want to get out.

[Tarlam!]

Well, paying her hush money is the same as admitting guilt IMO. Everyone would know for sure that he did it then.

One doesn't pay someone to be quiet unless they have something damning to say about the other that they don't want to get out.

True, but I am in favour of anything that will publicly hurt the guy and his legacy. The press could only speculate, the story will go away. Sure, there'd be whispers, but no finger pointing.

It's not the same as a good ol' fashioned public witch burning.

[gbgary]

Jenn Sterger could take money from Brett Favre to keep quiet, attorney Gloria Allred says


Damned, I hope she pulls him over the coals. But her laywer may get her to settle quickly, because of his popularity amongst potential jurors.

i hope she doesn't! i want this to sink the viking ship. hush money will make it all go away.

[mraynrand]

I take issue with your "I'm morally superior to you" approach and your compulsion to impersonate John the Baptist proclaing THE TRUTH IS, speaking on behalf of all Packer Fans on this, our Packer home.

John the Baptist is a Packer fan? I did hear he lost his head over the 'Skins game....

[Tarlam!]

I take issue with your "I'm morally superior to you" approach and your compulsion to impersonate John the Baptist proclaing THE TRUTH IS, speaking on behalf of all Packer Fans on this, our Packer home.

John the Baptist is a Packer fan? I did hear he lost his head over the 'Skins game....

Nice one, Rand. I apolgize for going off, but I am just sick of it. I know from reading other posts I'm not alone. I'll try and keep on topic as a courtesy the SC that started the thread. Can't guarantee it, though.

[MadtownPacker]

And two others that I won't mention here.Cuz you know me and ziggy will whip your ass if you run your kraut mouth. :shock:

[MadtownPacker]

Well, paying her hush money is the same as admitting guilt IMO. Everyone would know for sure that he did it then.

One doesn't pay someone to be quiet unless they have something damning to say about the other that they don't want to get out.

True, but I am in favour of anything that will publicly hurt the guy and his legacy. The press could only speculate, the story will go away. Sure, there'd be whispers, but no finger pointing.

It's not the same as a good ol' fashioned public witch burning.Craig - I agree it would be like saying he did it but doesnt everyone think that anyways? He is paying to avoid suspension which is probably his only true concern career wise. This isnt gonna get him cut. Hush money aint gonna break him either. Sounds like a smart play to me.

As for his legacy, I really dont see how it will affect that very much either. As I have said, he didnt touch kids, rape someone, or beat his wife. He didnt even drive drunk. IMO his behavior if he did it has only harmed himself. Even to that extent probably more half than the NFL fan base (20+ yr old males) would have been acting all horny around that bitch too. I doubt the HOF voters (probably bunch of old perverts too) will hold it against him. He is akready known for having been a pill popper and alkie, really what is a little nastygram gonna tarnish?

[channtheman]

Serious question. Does anyone here actually read Woodbuck's book length posts? Or do you scroll past them and continually be amazed by the length?

I scroll, but in this last episode was alerted by another poster. See Chan, I took your advice and broke it into digestable pieces. Thanks for the advice. :lol:

[HowardRoark]

My name is Edwin Wood



MY name is Edwin Wood.


http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z236/dsteenswede44/truth_big.jpg

http://oi29.tinypic.com/1zxtqgo.jpg

[swede]

Cool!

[Freak Out]

I'll try and keep on topic as a courtesy the SC that started the thread. Can't guarantee it, though.

Funny stuff.

[sheepshead]

I take issue with your "I'm morally superior to you" approach and your compulsion to impersonate John the Baptist proclaing THE TRUTH IS, speaking on behalf of all Packer Fans on this, our Packer home.

John the Baptist is a Packer fan? I did hear he lost his head over the 'Skins game....

Nice one, Rand. I apolgize for going off, but I am just sick of it. I know from reading other posts I'm not alone. I'll try and keep on topic as a courtesy the SC that started the thread. Can't guarantee it, though.

Tarlem, your posts are like that urine covered bum laying in the building entrance passed out as Chicago commuters walk by, one eye peering over and saying, thank God that's not me. I hope he isnt there when I head home tonight.

[vince]

As for his legacy, I really dont see how it will affect that very much either. As I have said, he didnt touch kids, rape someone, or beat his wife. He didnt even drive drunk. IMO his behavior if he did it has only harmed himself. Even to that extent probably more half than the NFL fan base (20+ yr old males) would have been acting all horny around that bitch too. I doubt the HOF voters (probably bunch of old perverts too) will hold it against him. He is akready known for having been a pill popper and alkie, really what is a little nastygram gonna tarnish?
If you consider going from one of the most popular and beloved athletes of all time to being seen as a joke of a human being ridiculed for his unending drama and self-absorption not being tarnished, then I'd say I agree with that.

[mmmdk]

To just clean up and stop their obsessions to ridicule and otherwise demean members of the forum that they choose to disrespect.

The only person I was ever hostile against was Sheepshead. I still am and probably always will be. Unless personally attacked, or force fed religeon on a fooball site, I'm cool. No, I lie. mmmk and I had words recently, but I think that's a Danish/German deal.

I'm good plus I stepped over a line with Tar that I wasn't aware of. Water under the bridge with me.

[Administrator]

I was resisting weighing in on this thread.

I'm going to leave it here for a while, however, get the discussion back to the topic.

I don't really think discussions about morals, intentions, and other posters is the purpose of the thread. I'm trying to leave it here, because it is news, and it is football news.

But, let's be less personal about it, on all sides.

Woody, you aren't going to convince anyone of your viewpoint at this point. Further, the rest of you aren't going to convince woody of anything either. Find a way to agree to disagree without being personally attacking.

[CaptainKickass]

Ok - this made my reading the entire thread worthwhile:



"Woody Johnson broght Brett Perve to the Jets." AND "Sterger spelled backwards is REGRETS."


Thank you Vince.

[HowardRoark]

I was resisting weighing in on this thread.

I'm going to leave it here for a while, however, get the discussion back to the topic.

I don't really think discussions about morals, intentions, and other posters is the purpose of the thread. I'm trying to leave it here, because it is news, and it is football news.

But, let's be less personal about it, on all sides.

Woody, you aren't going to convince anyone of your viewpoint at this point. Further, the rest of you aren't going to convince woody of anything either. Find a way to agree to disagree without being personally attacking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp_jEryyND8

[Gunakor]

Do you 100% find that that man's voice in that source of information or purported evidence. That on that video, that the man is 'in fact' Brett Favre. That your 100% positive that's Brett Favre speaking on that video?

Yes. Absolutely. Without ANY doubt, that's Brett Favre's voice. We've been hearing it for 20 years, you'd recognize Brett Favre's voice the same as you'd recognize your mothers voice. That's Brett. Absolutely no question about it.

[Tarlam!]

Yes. Absolutely. Without ANY doubt, that's Brett Favre's voice. We've been hearing it for 20 years, you'd recognize Brett Favre's voice the same as you'd recognize your mothers voice. That's Brett. Absolutely no question about it.

With technology that has existed for the last 35 years or more, it's so easy to prove whether it is or isn't his voice.

However, if nobody offically complains, what's the use? He didn't break any laws, except if someone officially cites sexual harrassment, it gets buried.

I find it repulsive that rich people can buy their way out of this kinda stuff.

[Gunakor]

However, if nobody offically complains, what's the use?

If nobody complains then there's no grounds for legal action. But, if it happened yet nobody complains, does that make him any less dirty for doing it?

Whether Jenn Sterger complains or not, it's clearly evident there was something going on. That makes Favre a sleazebag pervert. A cheating bag 'o douche. The exact opposite of the reformed family man image we've been spoon fed through the media for a decade and a half now. The case doesn't have to go through the US legal system for me to figure that out. No NFL investigation is needed to figure that out. From a legal perspective this investigation must take place and a complaint must be filed, I get that. But from a purely moral and ethical standpoint, he's guilty as sin with or without a complaint or confession. There IS evidence. His voice.

[woodbuck27]

Pevre may well get out of this situation without being punished by the NFL. If that occurs, it will have everything to do with MONEY and nothing to do with THE TRUTH. That much is blatantly obvious.

It will have dick all too do with dollero's Vince.

If he's guilty he'll suffer more than a suspension. As the world desires to judge people and often that ... unfairly.

Not many care when you do right and noone forgets when you do wrong.

[CaptainKickass]

If nobody complains then there's no grounds for legal action. But, if it happened yet nobody complains, does that make him any less dirty for doing it?

I dunno,

If a man has an opinion while in the forest and there's no woman there to hear him, is he still wrong?

?

[Gunakor]

If nobody complains then there's no grounds for legal action. But, if it happened yet nobody complains, does that make him any less dirty for doing it?

I dunno,

If a man has an opinion while in the forest and there's no woman there to hear him, is he still wrong?

?

Yes...

:(

[hoosier]

Do you 100% find that that man's voice in that source of information or purported evidence. That on that video, that the man is 'in fact' Brett Favre. That your 100% positive that's Brett Favre speaking on that video?

Yes. Absolutely. Without ANY doubt, that's Brett Favre's voice. We've been hearing it for 20 years, you'd recognize Brett Favre's voice the same as you'd recognize your mothers voice. That's Brett. Absolutely no question about it.

You think that's Brett Favre on the phone?!? Yo mama!

[woodbuck27]

more personal attacks

when will something be done about this?

red:

Are you referring to me and the above or any other posts in this thread as personal attacks? I am merely debating an issue, issues but.....

Let's establish first if you believe that I'm guilty of attacking any poster here red. Let me offer you this red:

Are you accusing me of making personal atacks on members here?

If so... back yourself up with specifics, PLEASE.

I'll challenge you red. :)

Maybe your definition of a personal attack differs from mine in terms of manner or sensitivity. Go back through the threads of the past week and look for any personal attacks on yours truly before you re-post me.

if you find any (them) do you offer that they were justified or fair attacks against me?

[woodbuck27]

I was resisting weighing in on this thread.

I'm going to leave it here for a while, however, get the discussion back to the topic.

I don't really think discussions about morals, intentions, and other posters is the purpose of the thread. I'm trying to leave it here, because it is news, and it is football news.

But, let's be less personal about it, on all sides.

Woody, you aren't going to convince anyone of your viewpoint at this point. Further, the rest of you aren't going to convince woody of anything either. Find a way to agree to disagree without being personally attacking.

" Woody, you aren't going to convince anyone of your viewpoint at this point." Administrator

Yes. It's now clear to me that your correct. I may have argued 'a losing battle' from the start. What follows may or may not have been a factor in regards to my efforts that were sincere and certainly offered with gusto.

Woody, you aren't going to convince anyone of your viewpoint at this point. Further:)

" Find a way to agree to disagree without being personally attacking " Administrator

That is one part, the bigger part of the agenda I'm focused on. That a common sense approach promotes harmony here at Packerrats.

My mission wasn't meant ultimately, to attack anyone in terms of threat, or otherwiser entreat punishment, to any poster as an outcome, personal to me.

Sometimes emotions run amuck. The agenda's ' that inspire certain posters here at Packerrats that admit their dislike for another is disappointing, Yet a reality.

Why is this disappointing to me?

** How many here at Packerrats really know the other poster's

or

** How many 'really know', who the disliked poster is?

I observe posters here lining up to discredit, insult, humiliate, bully,and name call some individual poster (s). Often and at particular times directly related to a specific issue. A poster 'the popular one', and for whatever reason ' often the attacker ' is aligned with 'a group of posters. A ' ganging on ' attitude and agenda takes hold. Centered in a certain emotion or not.

Centered in a certain emotion of dislike and worse hate takes away from the spirit of debate that is to be more in terms of a discussion approach; and in time, harvest a position between posters or debators and in terms of group debate then position of 'the group or membership at Packerrats.

Please, simply read this as it follows, with an open mind and do not perceive it as a personal attack on one soul here. He or she doesn't like this or that poster. Worse this or that poster admits to being capable of hate or hatred.

Sometimes, an attacked poster will persevere, inspite of any levity of an attack by any number of members and defend a position with vigor. This calls upon a certain phenomenon or group response that forgoes objective debate or reasoning and turns instead to defending the insider no matter how aggressive and 'in truth' wrong the aggressor or attacker may certainly be.

Thus 'the Forum 'as a whole fails in compromised debate, to arrive at a more accurate outcome. Susequent to that, 'the clique', finds ways and means; an agenda to isolate and reject the disfavoured poster. This may not even be a conscious effort, agenda or focus/goal of ' the insider clique '. As that focus may be initiated and aggressively acted out by ' the disliker ' or ' hater '.

He/she leaves our small society, Packerrats and OUR membership continues to exist with the status quo and the same clique running it's ' closed minded ' agendas.

Agenda's ... Right or Wrong.

Onlookers or non members that may enter Packerrat5s to take a look around and see and feel the style of Packerrats. Observe this process and may? become intimidated. If so? and thus decide against and fail to join as a potential contributing member, or simply join OUR membership and post in a manner that's plainly aggressive and may or not find favor with the 'in group or ** clique'. As members pf Packerrats it's up to every poster to promote good will at Packerrats as a decent respect for a return on the membership.

It's a privalege to post here at Packerrats. It's not a battle ground or a place to settle old or newer accounts primarily based in terms related to any person's ego or sensitivities or paranoia or need to showboat, control or manipulate.

What drives your needs to post at Packerrats. Do you have issues that run amuck of the specific questions asked in the threads?

** The clique ( re-call thst from High School days), is a group of posters that may harbour their own favor, by not often or never, monitoring Packerrats to ensure fair play for all posters. Thus defeat what we all need to aspire to. Overall good will and harmony to attract new and positive minde and significant positively contributing members.

Aggressive, attacking or flaming posts must never be tolerated, much more, become the custom at Packerrats.

I want to write about some posters referring to a dislike for other posters. Is disliking someone a milder form (or a self defensive choice of a word) to cover up hating someone?

I don't know. I'm not sure?? :idea:

Often a person's dislike for another is out of some fear or need to control or manipulate another; to seek alignment in terms of agreement. Sometimes posters just want to bust a posters ASS. Those attacks are too obvious.

We're 'the post police' here arn't we?

That often fails after an altercation that adds to seperation. The best result reached in this case is;
For the two posters to compromise ' in time ' or act mannerly. Often two posters must accept that there exists a strong seperation in terms of values, ideas, positions, viewpoints (or personality) and simply stop posting one another.

This one gives me further pause and creates a more magnified problem:
We have posters here at Packerrats that admit to aspiring to HATE. To 'be hateful ' or 'a hater' or 'to hate'. My position is 'that emotion' or HATE is one that is dangerous, in terms of destrution.

If any poster here at Packerrats knows history ( Google ), and even goes back over the past century . You must be aware of what such a strong and negative emotion such as hate leads to. I won't give you a history lesson here. :)

I must as the person I am. Oppose only one thing. HATERS I cannot aspire to do that and succeed if the membership as a whole disagrees with me and imagines that 'Haters", are what we should all aspire to be.

Hate the action and not the person accused or guilty of that action. Hate informs me of unfair or prejudice in terms of weighing guilt and judgement. Hate inspires unfarness in terms of subjective reasoning and decision making. It detracts from one being objective and therefore competent in looking morew closely at matters or issues.

My position is that to hate is wrong/destructive and an unwanted emotion in our Packer home. When ' the clique ' is drawn together and inspired by HATE. We should clearly see the course and discredit those with such emotion. Haters are hardly objective in terms of fairplay and assessing issues that require more fair minded and more emotionally balanced posters.

Going back to the top and the ultimate or expected manner (s)
all posters at Packerrats need to adopt fully and ' remain true to, ' or not accepting is:

" Find a way to agree to disagree without being personally attacking " by adopting decent manners and respect for all members at Packerrats, by adopting a personal monitoring policy of being assertive in debate, but never aggressive in terms of poor manners and choice of the written word.

Think about any possible consequence in terms of personal damage or insult to the member your posting.

This should be considered as 'only my presentation' towords any personal code of conduct towords promoting. ' good and decent will and harmony ' at Packerrats.

My name is Ed. woodbuck27

[woodbuck27]

Serious question. Does anyone here actually read Woodbuck's book length posts? Or do you scroll past them and continually be amazed by the length?

If you read my posts with an open mind you may find something that is positive and of decent sense man. I havn't lived as long as I have, experienced what I have, to come away without some merit in terms of wisdom and common sense.

I post with as much honesty and integrity as I can muster. I post in this thread with nothing but concern for my position of values and to promote future good will for Packerrats. To attempt to make a contribution that makes Packerrats a better NFL and Team fan site on the WWW.

I want Packerrats to be the best fan site that exists. :D

I do NOT beg you to agree with me. :)

Sincerely,

woodbuck27

[woodbuck27]

Serious question. Does anyone here actually read Woodbuck's book length posts? Or do you scroll past them and continually be amazed by the length?

I scroll.

That's your choice and as I respect. The same free will we all deserve.

Scroll away. :lol:

[woodbuck27]

Serious question. Does anyone here actually read Woodbuck's book length posts? Or do you scroll past them and continually be amazed by the length?

I just try to find a funny snippet, that I can take out of context. Then Woody answers it SERIOUSLY! That's Hi-larious! Woody is a Packerrats icon...

http://vote08.freedomblogging.com/files/2008/08/perot.jpg

I'll inform you mraynrand of what I am here @ Packerrats. AMN that really cares that as a forum we operate as an example for all NFL and team fan forums. :D

Yes. My effforts make me happy in terms of the integrity and overall positive efforts. I do indeed attempt to contribute here. If posters here misjudge or or otherwise are confused by my efforts. That's something I must weigh in terms related to my personal values and that integrity.

I will always stick to that method of posting by far and overall.

[mraynrand]

Not many care when you do right and noone forgets when you do wrong.

Heh, Heh...there's some trooth there to that one, Mr. Woodybucky. Did I mention ta y'all that I'm tryin' evrything I knows ta get y'all them texcuts extended? Read ma book, I heven't red it yet maself, but I betcha Bert Ferver is in there some too.

http://dudewheresmymajority.com/images/dubya.jpg

[mraynrand]

Serious question. Does anyone here actually read Woodbuck's book length posts? Or do you scroll past them and continually be amazed by the length?

I just try to find a funny snippet, that I can take out of context. Then Woody answers it SERIOUSLY! That's Hi-larious! Woody is a Packerrats icon...



I'll inform you mraynrand of what I am here @ Packerrats. AMN that really cares that as a forum we operate as an example for all NFL and team fan forums. :D

Yes. My effforts make me happy in terms of the integrity and overall positive efforts. I do indeed attempt to contribute here. If posters here misjudge or or otherwise are confused by my efforts. That's something I must weigh in terms related to my personal values and that integrity.

I will always stick to that method of posting by far and overall.

You're a good AMN, woodbuck

[HowardRoark]

I was resisting weighing in on this thread.

I'm going to leave it here for a while, however, get the discussion back to the topic.

I don't really think discussions about morals, intentions, and other posters is the purpose of the thread. I'm trying to leave it here, because it is news, and it is football news.

But, let's be less personal about it, on all sides.

Woody, you aren't going to convince anyone of your viewpoint at this point. Further, the rest of you aren't going to convince woody of anything either. Find a way to agree to disagree without being personally attacking.

" Woody, you aren't going to convince anyone of your viewpoint at this point." Administrator

Yes. It's now clear to me that your correct. I may have argued 'a losing battle' from the start. What follows may or may not have been a factor in regards to my efforts that were sincere and certainly offered with gusto.

Woody, you aren't going to convince anyone of your viewpoint at this point. Further:)

" Find a way to agree to disagree without being personally attacking " Administrator

That is one part, the bigger part of the agenda I'm focused on. That a common sense approach promotes harmony here at Packerrats.

My mission wasn't meant ultimately, to attack anyone in terms of threat, or otherwiser entreat punishment, to any poster as an outcome, personal to me.

Sometimes emotions run amuck. The agenda's ' that inspire certain posters here at Packerrats that admit their dislike for another is disappointing, Yet a reality.

Why is this disappointing to me?

** How many here at Packerrats really know the other poster's

or

** How many 'really know', who the disliked poster is?

I observe posters here lining up to discredit, insult, humiliate, bully,and name call some individual poster (s). Often and at particular times directly related to a specific issue. A poster 'the popular one', and for whatever reason ' often the attacker ' is aligned with 'a group of posters. A ' ganging on ' attitude and agenda takes hold. Centered in a certain emotion or not.

Centered in a certain emotion of dislike and worse hate takes away from the spirit of debate that is to be more in terms of a discussion approach; and in time, harvest a position between posters or debators and in terms of group debate then position of 'the group or membership at Packerrats.

Please, simply read this as it follows, with an open mind and do not perceive it as a personal attack on one soul here. He or she doesn't like this or that poster. Worse this or that poster admits to being capable of hate or hatred.

Sometimes, an attacked poster will persevere, inspite of any levity of an attack by any number of members and defend a position with vigor. This calls upon a certain phenomenon or group response that forgoes objective debate or reasoning and turns instead to defending the insider no matter how aggressive and 'in truth' wrong the aggressor or attacker may certainly be.

Thus 'the Forum 'as a whole fails in compromised debate, to arrive at a more accurate outcome. Susequent to that, 'the clique', finds ways and means; an agenda to isolate and reject the disfavoured poster. This may not even be a conscious effort, agenda or focus/goal of ' the insider clique '. As that focus may be initiated and aggressively acted out by ' the disliker ' or ' hater '.

He/she leaves our small society, Packerrats and OUR membership continues to exist with the status quo and the same clique running it's ' closed minded ' agendas.

Agenda's ... Right or Wrong.

Onlookers or non members that may enter Packerrat5s to take a look around and see and feel the style of Packerrats. Observe this process and may? become intimidated. If so? and thus decide against and fail to join as a potential contributing member, or simply join OUR membership and post in a manner that's plainly aggressive and may or not find favor with the 'in group or ** clique'. As members pf Packerrats it's up to every poster to promote good will at Packerrats as a decent respect for a return on the membership.

It's a privalege to post here at Packerrats. It's not a battle ground or a place to settle old or newer accounts primarily based in terms related to any person's ego or sensitivities or paranoia or need to showboat, control or manipulate.

What drives your needs to post at Packerrats. Do you have issues that run amuck of the specific questions asked in the threads?

** The clique ( re-call thst from High School days), is a group of posters that may harbour their own favor, by not often or never, monitoring Packerrats to ensure fair play for all posters. Thus defeat what we all need to aspire to. Overall good will and harmony to attract new and positive minde and significant positively contributing members.

Aggressive, attacking or flaming posts must never be tolerated, much more, become the custom at Packerrats.

I want to write about some posters referring to a dislike for other posters. Is disliking someone a milder form (or a self defensive choice of a word) to cover up hating someone?

I don't know. I'm not sure?? :idea:

Often a person's dislike for another is out of some fear or need to control or manipulate another; to seek alignment in terms of agreement. Sometimes posters just want to bust a posters ASS. Those attacks are too obvious.

We're 'the post police' here arn't we?

That often fails after an altercation that adds to seperation. The best result reached in this case is;
For the two posters to compromise ' in time ' or act mannerly. Often two posters must accept that there exists a strong seperation in terms of values, ideas, positions, viewpoints (or personality) and simply stop posting one another.

This one gives me further pause and creates a more magnified problem:
We have posters here at Packerrats that admit to aspiring to HATE. To 'be hateful ' or 'a hater' or 'to hate'. My position is 'that emotion' or HATE is one that is dangerous, in terms of destrution.

If any poster here at Packerrats knows history ( Google ), and even goes back over the past century . You must be aware of what such a strong and negative emotion such as hate leads to. I won't give you a history lesson here. :)

I must as the person I am. Oppose only one thing. HATERS I cannot aspire to do that and succeed if the membership as a whole disagrees with me and imagines that 'Haters", are what we should all aspire to be.

Hate the action and not the person accused or guilty of that action. Hate informs me of unfair or prejudice in terms of weighing guilt and judgement. Hate inspires unfarness in terms of subjective reasoning and decision making. It detracts from one being objective and therefore competent in looking morew closely at matters or issues.

My position is that to hate is wrong/destructive and an unwanted emotion in our Packer home. When ' the clique ' is drawn together and inspired by HATE. We should clearly see the course and discredit those with such emotion. Haters are hardly objective in terms of fairplay and assessing issues that require more fair minded and more emotionally balanced posters.

Going back to the top and the ultimate or expected manner (s)
all posters at Packerrats need to adopt fully and ' remain true to, ' or not accepting is:

" Find a way to agree to disagree without being personally attacking " by adopting decent manners and respect for all members at Packerrats, by adopting a personal monitoring policy of being assertive in debate, but never aggressive in terms of poor manners and choice of the written word.

Think about any possible consequence in terms of personal damage or insult to the member your posting.

This should be considered as 'only my presentation' towords any personal code of conduct towords promoting. ' good and decent will and harmony ' at Packerrats.

My name is Ed. woodbuck27

Cliffnotes please.

[Tarlam!]

Woody is now lecturing the owner. There is no doubt in my mind he means well, but it is audacious of him non-the-less.

What are cliffnotes?

[mission]

tl;dr

there is no problem at packerrats. we get along better than any other board i frequent or have been on in the past.

some argument between everyone vs woody should not be mistaken as there actually being a problem here.

it's called the 'Law of Bob': when Bob has a problem with everyone, the problem is usually Bob.

Substitute whatever name you'd like for 'Bob'.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2010/10/12/2010-10-12_tv_hostess_could_opt_for_brett_hush_money.html


Jenn Sterger could take money from Brett Favre to keep quiet, attorney Gloria Allred says

BY Michael O'Keeffe
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER


The sexy TV personality who allegedly received X-rated crotch shots from Brett Favre is under no obligation to talk to NFL investigators - and, according to attorney Gloria Allred, she could even agree to a deal with the legendary quarterback to keep her mouth shut.

Attorneys who believe their clients have legitimate harassment complaints can negotiate settlements that include confidentiality clauses, Allred told the Daily News Monday.

"Parties often agree to confidential settlements rather than have one party pursue litigation," said Allred, who represented Tiger Woods' mistresses Rachel Uchitel, who is reported to have received a settlement from Woods prior to canceling a news conference, and porn actress Joslyn James. "If there's no legal merit to the claim, that's a different situation."

Sterger has not ruled out cooperating with the NFL's probe but she has also not yet agreed to talk to the league's investigators, according to a source familiar with the NFL inquiry. Sterger's manager, Phil Reese, declined comment Monday when asked if she has retained counsel.

"We're looking at all our options right now and our only concern is what's in Jenn's best interest," Reese said in an email to the News.

Unlike prosecutors, NFL investigators cannot issue subpoenas requiring Sterger to talk about the photos and voicemails Favre allegedly sent in a clumsy attempt to woo Sterger, who is now a host of "The Daily Line" on Versus.

"She has no legal duty to speak to the NFL," Allred said. "The only way you can compel somebody to answer questions is with a subpoena."

A.J. Daulerio, the Deadspin editor who posted on his website what he says are pictures of Favre's private parts last week, says he's heard from Sterger's friends that the former Jets game-day hostess has been getting pressure to not speak to the NFL gumshoes.

"She doesn't want to be known as the person who ruined the public perception of this guy," said Daulerio, who has not spoken directly with Sterger.

Deadspin posted three pictures of private parts it says the Minnesota Vikings quarterback sent to Sterger in 2008, when Favre was with the Jets and Sterger was the game-day hostess.

Daulerio also posted voicemails he says that Favre, a 41-year-old grandfather, left on Sterger's phone in a attempt to hook up with the 26-year-old model, actress and TV host.

Two other women - massage therapists who also worked for the Jets in 2008 - have said Favre sent them unwelcome texts, phone calls and emails.

Daulerio said Sterger did not supply the photos and voicemails. The website purchased them from a third party he refused to identify.

There isn't a thing in the above article that isn't open ended in terms related to 'the possible' key witness, Jenn Sterger and will she or won't she contribute testimony or cooperate with the NFL committee appointed to investigate to date.

Clear and ' absolutely unchallengeable ' evidence, that finds that Brett Favre is without a doubt, the man in the the video and voice mails. Just..may, cause the NFL to impose penalty on Brett Favre.

All that remains to be seen, and as of this moment nothing I'm aware of to this point in time, can determine his guilt.

There's feedback I received from one poster here @ Packerrats, based on a post yesterday to that poster. That provides me with an opinion of his valued analysis that I do trust inn terms of a weight of guilt factor and ...that ... concerns me Re: Favre's guilt.

Another poster here, backs up that first poster, and that adds legitimate weight, for my concern. I am concerned for Brettt Favre and surely for how this has already and may moreso affect his marriage.

I pray the Favre and Deanna Favre stay united and strong. It's just that. In their vows. For better or worse I pray that they will find 'the way and strength' to remain loving and married. Otherwise, I have 'no right ' to offer opinion or otherwise.

With due respect Packerats. Brett Favre has not been deemed guilty by the NFL. Officially and at this tine and to my knowledge based on all I know. I personally HOLD my stance. That Brett Favre is innocent. I don't expect that anyone At Packerrats will agree. We're on opposite sides of a fence. That's OK.

Free Will. :)

Today in terms of my values and common sense . Brett Favre is OK and I pray for him to have integrity and deal with this, as is best. It's not again my business, so I cannot offer any further comment on what Favre might do depended on circumstances.

There is a hint, in that last sentence that suggests what I might advise, depended on the actual circumstances, if he asked me to be his advisor. That is not likely so therfore ...moot. :D

[mission]

Brett Favre is innocent of what? Or innocent like what?

Like a 3 year old child is innocent? What do you mean by innocent?

[Tarlam!]

Brett Favre is innocent of what? Or innocent like what?

Like a 3 year old child is innocent? What do you mean by innocent?

People that disbelieve the accusations that are being levied against their idol will continue with the "innocent until proven guilty" line. Since hush money is IMO a likelihood, he will only get judgement in the court of public opinion.

So the Favre defenders will, sooner or later, offer this as evidence of his innocence. As it stands, they don't even have a denial from their demi-god, the team has a teary apology for "the distraction", and still the defense stays the course.

Mind boggling.

I remeber bringing the same "innocent until proven guilty" line when the Vick shit hit the fan, Scott Campbell ripped me a new one.

[HowardRoark]

Woody is now lecturing the owner. There is no doubt in my mind he means well, but it is audacious of him non-the-less.

What are cliffnotes?

Cliffs (ehemals Cliffs Notes, die ursprünglich Cliff's Notes und oft fälschlicherweise, CliffNotes) sind eine Reihe von Studenten Studie Führer zur Verfügung allem in den Vereinigten Staaten. Die Führungen vorzustellen und zu erläutern literarischen und anderen Werken in Form von Flugblättern oder online. Kritiker der Studie Führer behaupten, sie lassen Studenten Bypass Lesen der Literatur zugeordnet. Im Gegensatz dazu behauptet das Unternehmen, das Lesen des Originals zu fördern, und nicht den Blick Studienführer als Ersatz für die Lesung.

Cliffs wurde von einem einheimischen Nebraska benannt Cliff Hillegass im Jahr 1958 begonnen. Er wurde in Nebraska Book Co. of Lincoln, Nebraska, wenn er Jack Cole, der Mitinhaber von Coles, ein Buch Toronto Geschäft traf arbeiten. Coles war auch der Herausgeber einer Reihe von kanadischen Studie Führer genannt Coles Notes. Jack Cole boten die amerikanischen Rechte an Hillegass.

Hillegass und seine Frau Catherine, begann das Geschäft in ihrem Keller bei 511 Eastridge Drive, mit sechzehn William Shakespeare Titel. Cliffs, gibt es heute in Hunderten von Werken. Der Begriff Cliffs hat nun in modernen Sprachgebrauch kommen, wie ein Substantiv für Notizen ähnlicher Art auf den ursprünglichen CliffsNotes Bücher.

[sharpe1027]

People have been convicted and sent to jail on far less evidence, and we aren't even talking about him being criminally guilty. We're just saying "hey, look at A, B, and C, it seems pretty obvious that he did it." Is it possible that he didn't, I suppose. It is also possible that NASA never landed on the moon, but looking at all the evidence, I'd say its pretty likely that they did.

[woodbuck27]

Brett Favre is innocent of what? Or innocent like what?

Like a 3 year old child is innocent? What do you mean by innocent?

Are you following this story? Are you fully aware of all the facts and details available to you as you may choose or not to investigate them for yourself; do so of your own free will or not?

Maybe you don't have a dictionary?

Webster's Concise Family Dictionary:

Innocent 1. free from guilt or sin; BLAMELESS
3. : free from legal guilt or fault: LAWFUL

[woodbuck27]

I cannot judge Scott Campbell nor Tarlam! as I'm again not eligible.

Well, in this post alone you pass judgement on quite a few occasions,

Tarlam!

Unless your suffering some senseless paranoia my advice is for you to try your best to relax. :idea:

[woodbuck27]

They both hate very well as more and more I see their power snare others at Packerrats as they join the cheer to persecute Favre.

I'm a Packer fan. I'm entitled to hate Brett Favre, just as much as you are entitled to have a man crush on him. You insist only you way or the highway. That's unacceptable in a democracy and, unless you own the Packer Rats, unacceptable here.

You posted me . I'll give you the respect of my reaction to your post:

" I'm a Packer fan. I'm entitled to hate Brett Favre " Tarlam!

What does being a Packer fan have to do with any connection to the emotion of hate ? I've been a Packer fan for over 50 years now and I cannot imagine, lowering myself to feel much less admit to such an ugly emotion as hate inspires in people , in destructive terms.
You may feel appointed in yourself, to muster to what I deem demonstrates clear proff of you and having 'a low emotional IQ'. So low
that you aspire ' to hate Brett Favre '. What has Brett Favre ever personally done to you? That can be acredited as 'a certain damage' to you Tarlam!?

Tell me please, as I'm interested as to what indeed that Favre could have done to lower you to such a degree that you could possibly hate?

Do you and Favre have a personal relationship of any sort?

You hate! You do that 'of your own free will' and demonstrate evidence of a low emotional IQ at the same time Tarlam!, That I might advise needs your attention, yet regardless. That's your problem IMO, and not my business as to how you fix that!

Really! I cannot imagine Favre getting you there. Favre is simply a Pro athlete. An NFL quarterback.

Has he personally affronted you? if so I'm shocked and recommend you get help. Hates not a useful emotion.

** " I'm entitled to hate Brett Favre, just as much as you are entitled to have a man crush on him." Tarlam!

... " just as much as you are entitled to have a man crush on him." Tarlam!

A little funny that you would even suggest that I have such entitlement as to have 'a man crush' on Favre''.

Have you some experience with 'man crush's' Tarlam! hahaa :lol: , that you can imagine that might be a good thing or advisable for me? Such a strange emotional place and ' to crush ' on Favre'? Would such a thing bring Favre good karms It might get me tossed to the turf by 'the Big GUY'.

Now ... myself, Tarlam!

I'm a ladies man Tarlam! I cannot even recall the last time I crushed on any female? Ohh wait ...it was Marilyn Munroe, Bridgit Bardot and some other sexy broad.Ann Margaret WOW!... way back, when I was a young Packer fan in my teens.

Those were the days, ehh Tar!

8-)

I hope that claify's my position Tarlam!

You = alright to HATE

Me = No Man crush ( just the gals Tarlam! .... et moi :) )

Have a great day.

[woodbuck27]

An emotional balance difference?

I agree. I've always maintained you are emotionally unbalanced.

Excuse me Tarlam! That comment 'isn't football related'. I hope that...we're turning a page @ Packerrats or at least; I'm trying to set an example for you younger more rapid / impulsively emotional Packer fans :idea:

Also ....that's again 'just you' and another of your 'wild stabs in the dark' Some would deem that a personal atttack, but I know you after five years and your a tad angry at times. Challenged Ehh.

HATE + impulsivity + ANGER ! Yikes !! = a bad recipe for destruction and personal folly, Tarlam!

Be careful young fella.

Maybe? Your cleaning up your act 'of late'?

I see that your doing alot better so far. In the Pro Pickem! Good stuff.

Hope so. I'll pray for you. Be careful young fella. I care.

[sharpe1027]

If someone is talking about "hating" or "loving" a sports figure, it would seem reasonable to assume it does not carry the same connotation as "hating" someone they know personally. Everyone uses these words differently. Perhaps it would be best to leave well enough alone in either case.

[woodbuck27]

No ... hate is unacceptable as it's an offensive emotion that can only inspire a seed to a web of destruction and domination of their way or the highway and their way is absolutey wrong and unacceptable in OUR Packer forum. Not their Packer forum. Not ever just their agenda's based in their hatred and thus their sickness.

More of being a spokesperson, more passing judgements.

I dislike only 4 posters here. You for the reasons described here, Sheepshead, but the feeling is mutual. Sheep is quick to get into peronal attacks and I hate that from any poster. But I admire his knowledge and always read his opinions on football. And two others that I won't mention here.

I try and treat everyone with respect, except you 4. I'm sure I've pissed off more than just these 4 posters and I'm disliked by many more than just 4 posters. I can live with it. I also can't contribute too much football wise, because when we first started posting, I didn't know the difference between a 3-4 and a 4-3. I am grateful for the knowledge imparted upon me by the posters here.

It's occured to me that this thread is nearly 20 pages long and you, Woodbuck27, are the only person here defending Favre. Doesn't that give you cause to stop and rethink your position?

Who the heck! are you to dislike Tarlam! Grow up please. Get a grip please.

[woodbuck27]

Serious question. Does anyone here actually read Woodbuck's book length posts? Or do you scroll past them and continually be amazed by the length?

I scroll, but in this last episode was alerted by another poster. See Chan, I took your advice and broke it into digestable pieces. Thanks for the advice.

So that you can dispence your anger in small doses?

[woodbuck27]

Jenn Sterger could take money from Brett Favre to keep quiet, attorney Gloria Allred says


Damned, I hope she pulls him over the coals. But her laywer may get her to settle quickly, because of his popularity amongst potential jurors.

That's an assumption and a judgement sonny.

Another one of your imagined leaps that may have little to do with reality and this concern for Favre and his family and the NFL and the parties that may or may not press this matter.

Try re-thinking the whole mess Tarlam! It may calm you. :idea:

[woodbuck27]

I take issue with your "I'm morally superior to you" approach and your compulsion to impersonate John the Baptist proclaing THE TRUTH IS, speaking on behalf of all Packer Fans on this, our Packer home.

John the Baptist is a Packer fan? I did hear he lost his head over the 'Skins game....

Gee mraynrand. I'm nailed on that one. Well sorta.

My middle name is John. Edwin John Wood.

I surrender. :roll:

[woodbuck27]

I take issue with your "I'm morally superior to you" approach and your compulsion to impersonate John the Baptist proclaing THE TRUTH IS, speaking on behalf of all Packer Fans on this, our Packer home.

John the Baptist is a Packer fan? I did hear he lost his head over the 'Skins game....

Nice one, Rand. I apolgize for going off, but I am just sick of it. I know from reading other posts I'm not alone. I'll try and keep on topic as a courtesy the SC that started the thread. Can't guarantee it, though.

Great! You do have that in you Tarlam! Good stuff.

Pullin' for you. It's by far best.

How bout that Favre and 3 TD's on MNF inspite of his sucky OL. Damn can't that man give his best !

I admire his skills still there at 41 years. He's like the Energizer Bunny! Keeps right on a truckin'.

** Better ! I suggest that you don't even post me. Unless it's something positive too constructive Tarlam! and of course you'll oppose me but try to keep the attacks out of your posts. Keep it cool or stay cool. It's OK. :) Something progressive for Packerats and I believe your getting it better after these last posts,

I'm FOR YOU Tarlam!

**That's by far better, than you failing miserably trying to rip on me. That's not necessary. Let's keep it 'between the white lines' not run it 'off into the ditch'.

Easy pick there tar. Take the LHS. That wins every time.

Best to just lay low unless you come up to my level of understanding.

LOVE trumps HATRED ..... LOVE = GOOD KARMA :idea:

[Airin' Rodgers]

I take issue with your "I'm morally superior to you" approach and your compulsion to impersonate John the Baptist proclaing THE TRUTH IS, speaking on behalf of all Packer Fans on this, our Packer home.

John the Baptist is a Packer fan? I did hear he lost his head over the 'Skins game....

Nice one, Rand. I apolgize for going off, but I am just sick of it. I know from reading other posts I'm not alone. I'll try and keep on topic as a courtesy the SC that started the thread. Can't guarantee it, though.

Great! You do have that in you Tarlam! Good stuff.

Pullin' for you. It's by far best.

How bout that Favre and 3 TD's on MNF inspite of his sucky OL. Damn can't that man give his best !

I admire his skills still there at 41 years. He's like the Energizer Bunny! Keeps right on a truckin'.

\No don't even postme unless it's something positive to constructive . That is by far better than you failing miserably trying to rip on me sonny. You've never had it.

Best to just lay low unless you come up to my level of....

LOVE trumps HATRED ..... LOVE = GOOD KARMA :idea:

He had three turnovers, including the game-losing interception. He choked.

Impressive 3rd quarter though, looked back in his prime. Unfortunately, he still lost the game for them

[Tarlam!]

Woody is now lecturing the owner. There is no doubt in my mind he means well, but it is audacious of him non-the-less.

What are cliffnotes?

Cliffs (ehemals Cliffs Notes, die ursprünglich Cliff's Notes und oft fälschlicherweise, CliffNotes) sind eine Reihe von Studenten Studie Führer zur Verfügung allem in den Vereinigten Staaten. Die Führungen vorzustellen und zu erläutern literarischen und anderen Werken in Form von Flugblättern oder online. Kritiker der Studie Führer behaupten, sie lassen Studenten Bypass Lesen der Literatur zugeordnet. Im Gegensatz dazu behauptet das Unternehmen, das Lesen des Originals zu fördern, und nicht den Blick Studienführer als Ersatz für die Lesung.




Cliffs wurde von einem einheimischen Nebraska benannt Cliff Hillegass im Jahr 1958 begonnen. Er wurde in Nebraska Book Co. of Lincoln, Nebraska, wenn er Jack Cole, der Mitinhaber von Coles, ein Buch Toronto Geschäft traf arbeiten. Coles war auch der Herausgeber einer Reihe von kanadischen Studie Führer genannt Coles Notes. Jack Cole boten die amerikanischen Rechte an Hillegass.

Hillegass und seine Frau Catherine, begann das Geschäft in ihrem Keller bei 511 Eastridge Drive, mit sechzehn William Shakespeare Titel. Cliffs, gibt es heute in Hunderten von Werken. Der Begriff Cliffs hat nun in modernen Sprachgebrauch kommen, wie ein Substantiv für Notizen ähnlicher Art auf den ursprünglichen CliffsNotes Bücher.

:shock: :shock: :shock: Your German is almost perfect!!!! Thanks for the the explaination, but I'm gonna needs meds to get over the shock!!!

[woodbuck27]

I take issue with your "I'm morally superior to you" approach and your compulsion to impersonate John the Baptist proclaing THE TRUTH IS, speaking on behalf of all Packer Fans on this, our Packer home.

John the Baptist is a Packer fan? I did hear he lost his head over the 'Skins game....

Nice one, Rand. I apolgize for going off, but I am just sick of it. I know from reading other posts I'm not alone. I'll try and keep on topic as a courtesy the SC that started the thread. Can't guarantee it, though.

Great! You do have that in you Tarlam! Good stuff.

Pullin' for you. It's by far best.

How bout that Favre and 3 TD's on MNF inspite of his sucky OL. Damn can't that man give his best !

I admire his skills still there at 41 years. He's like the Energizer Bunny! Keeps right on a truckin'.

\No don't even postme unless it's something positive to constructive . That is by far better than you failing miserably trying to rip on me sonny. You've never had it.

Best to just lay low unless you come up to my level of....

LOVE trumps HATRED ..... LOVE = GOOD KARMA :idea:

He had three turnovers, including the game-losing interception. He choked.

Impressive 3rd quarter though, looked back in his prime. Unfortunately, he still lost the game for them

How bout that Favre and 3 TD's on MNF inspite of his sucky OL. Damn can't that man give his best !

He chocked or he and 'the Vikings almost got it done?

I'm sort of a positive thinking fella. :idea:

[woodbuck27]

If someone is talking about "hating" or "loving" a sports figure, it would seem reasonable to assume it does not carry the same connotation as "hating" someone they know personally. Everyone uses these words differently. Perhaps it would be best to leave well enough alone in either case.

Just like in alot of marriages and other close relationships. Ehh !?

Alot of compromising going down ... to stay up!

Emotional responses are never the best and at times we weaken and all get 'just there' and fail ourselves.

The intellect trumps emotions. :idea: That's my experience offering my humble life given experience and wisdom.

WE all learn and grow hopefully as TIME or LIFE ................transpires.

[Airin' Rodgers]

I take issue with your "I'm morally superior to you" approach and your compulsion to impersonate John the Baptist proclaing THE TRUTH IS, speaking on behalf of all Packer Fans on this, our Packer home.

John the Baptist is a Packer fan? I did hear he lost his head over the 'Skins game....

Nice one, Rand. I apolgize for going off, but I am just sick of it. I know from reading other posts I'm not alone. I'll try and keep on topic as a courtesy the SC that started the thread. Can't guarantee it, though.

Great! You do have that in you Tarlam! Good stuff.

Pullin' for you. It's by far best.

How bout that Favre and 3 TD's on MNF inspite of his sucky OL. Damn can't that man give his best !

I admire his skills still there at 41 years. He's like the Energizer Bunny! Keeps right on a truckin'.

\No don't even postme unless it's something positive to constructive . That is by far better than you failing miserably trying to rip on me sonny. You've never had it.

Best to just lay low unless you come up to my level of....

LOVE trumps HATRED ..... LOVE = GOOD KARMA :idea:

He had three turnovers, including the game-losing interception. He choked.

Impressive 3rd quarter though, looked back in his prime. Unfortunately, he still lost the game for them

How bout that Favre and 3 TD's on MNF inspite of his sucky OL. Damn can't that man give his best !

He chocked or he and 'the Vikings almost got it done?

I'm sort of a positive thinking fella. :idea:

True, he almost brought them back from a huge deficit. True, it was a great performance leading them back.

However, he got them into the deficit by fumbling twice and playing awful in the first half. And with a chance to win the game, threw a game-ending interception

[HowardRoark]

Woody is now lecturing the owner. There is no doubt in my mind he means well, but it is audacious of him non-the-less.

What are cliffnotes?

Cliffs (ehemals Cliffs Notes, die ursprünglich Cliff's Notes und oft fälschlicherweise, CliffNotes) sind eine Reihe von Studenten Studie Führer zur Verfügung allem in den Vereinigten Staaten. Die Führungen vorzustellen und zu erläutern literarischen und anderen Werken in Form von Flugblättern oder online. Kritiker der Studie Führer behaupten, sie lassen Studenten Bypass Lesen der Literatur zugeordnet. Im Gegensatz dazu behauptet das Unternehmen, das Lesen des Originals zu fördern, und nicht den Blick Studienführer als Ersatz für die Lesung.




Cliffs wurde von einem einheimischen Nebraska benannt Cliff Hillegass im Jahr 1958 begonnen. Er wurde in Nebraska Book Co. of Lincoln, Nebraska, wenn er Jack Cole, der Mitinhaber von Coles, ein Buch Toronto Geschäft traf arbeiten. Coles war auch der Herausgeber einer Reihe von kanadischen Studie Führer genannt Coles Notes. Jack Cole boten die amerikanischen Rechte an Hillegass.

Hillegass und seine Frau Catherine, begann das Geschäft in ihrem Keller bei 511 Eastridge Drive, mit sechzehn William Shakespeare Titel. Cliffs, gibt es heute in Hunderten von Werken. Der Begriff Cliffs hat nun in modernen Sprachgebrauch kommen, wie ein Substantiv für Notizen ähnlicher Art auf den ursprünglichen CliffsNotes Bücher.

:shock: :shock: :shock: Your German is almost perfect!!!! Thanks for the the explaination, but I'm gonna needs meds to get over the shock!!!

It's easy to look smart with the interwebs these days......no need to think anymore:

http://translate.google.com/#en|de|

[woodbuck27]

I take issue with your "I'm morally superior to you" approach and your compulsion to impersonate John the Baptist proclaing THE TRUTH IS, speaking on behalf of all Packer Fans on this, our Packer home.

John the Baptist is a Packer fan? I did hear he lost his head over the 'Skins game....

Nice one, Rand. I apolgize for going off, but I am just sick of it. I know from reading other posts I'm not alone. I'll try and keep on topic as a courtesy the SC that started the thread. Can't guarantee it, though.

Great! You do have that in you Tarlam! Good stuff.

Pullin' for you. It's by far best.

How bout that Favre and 3 TD's on MNF inspite of his sucky OL. Damn can't that man give his best !

I admire his skills still there at 41 years. He's like the Energizer Bunny! Keeps right on a truckin'.

\No don't even postme unless it's something positive to constructive . That is by far better than you failing miserably trying to rip on me sonny. You've never had it.

Best to just lay low unless you come up to my level of....

LOVE trumps HATRED ..... LOVE = GOOD KARMA :idea:

He had three turnovers, including the game-losing interception. He choked.

Impressive 3rd quarter though, looked back in his prime. Unfortunately, he still lost the game for them

How bout that Favre and 3 TD's on MNF inspite of his sucky OL. Damn can't that man give his best !

He chocked or he and 'the Vikings almost got it done?

I'm sort of a positive thinking fella. :idea:

True, he almost brought them back from a huge deficit. True, it was a great performance leading them back.

However, he got them into the deficit by fumbling twice and playing awful in the first half. And with a chance to win the game, threw a game-ending interception

Now there is proof of the saying:

If a fella does alot of things right few people really care. If that same fella does one or a few thing wrong alot of people never forget.

In light of all of US and OUR humanity:

That's just ... sadly to pathetically unfair,

[woodbuck27]

Woody is now lecturing the owner. There is no doubt in my mind he means well, but it is audacious of him non-the-less.

What are cliffnotes?

Cliffs (ehemals Cliffs Notes, die ursprünglich Cliff's Notes und oft fälschlicherweise, CliffNotes) sind eine Reihe von Studenten Studie Führer zur Verfügung allem in den Vereinigten Staaten. Die Führungen vorzustellen und zu erläutern literarischen und anderen Werken in Form von Flugblättern oder online. Kritiker der Studie Führer behaupten, sie lassen Studenten Bypass Lesen der Literatur zugeordnet. Im Gegensatz dazu behauptet das Unternehmen, das Lesen des Originals zu fördern, und nicht den Blick Studienführer als Ersatz für die Lesung.

Cliffs wurde von einem einheimischen Nebraska benannt Cliff Hillegass im Jahr 1958 begonnen. Er wurde in Nebraska Book Co. of Lincoln, Nebraska, wenn er Jack Cole, der Mitinhaber von Coles, ein Buch Toronto Geschäft traf arbeiten. Coles war auch der Herausgeber einer Reihe von kanadischen Studie Führer genannt Coles Notes. Jack Cole boten die amerikanischen Rechte an Hillegass.

Hillegass und seine Frau Catherine, begann das Geschäft in ihrem Keller bei 511 Eastridge Drive, mit sechzehn William Shakespeare Titel. Cliffs, gibt es heute in Hunderten von Werken. Der Begriff Cliffs hat nun in modernen Sprachgebrauch kommen, wie ein Substantiv für Notizen ähnlicher Art auf den ursprünglichen CliffsNotes Bücher.

Yes I agree. Marlene Dietrich was ... HOT!

GO PACKERS!!

[retailguy]

this thread blows.

[3irty1]

this thread blows. Yeah because Scotts gone.

[Airin' Rodgers]

this thread blows.

Agreed.

Woodbuck, how is it unfair? I am acknowledging that he had a great 3rd quarter, and start of the fourth quarter. Why can you not acknowledge that he had an atrocious first half, and threw the game-clinching interception

He was 14/34. Well under 50 percent

[vince]

http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sports_details/article/1424/2010/october/10/monday-madden-after-ben-fiasco-nfl-has-to-suspend-favre.html

After Ben fiasco, NFL has to suspend Favre
By: Mark Madden

When NFL commissioner Roger Goodell suspended Ben Roethlisberger despite no charges filed or evidence existing, he painted himself into a corner. With Roethlisberger punished thusly, how can Goodell not penalize everyone who has tangibly broken the NFL’s personal conduct policy?

Goodell has already given free passes to some lesser lights.

But now Goodell faces a huge PR dilemma. Brett Favre stands accused of sexually harassing a fellow New York Jets employee in 2008, leaving a comprehensive trail of video and audio evidence.

The conventional media did its level best to ignore the story, but gonzo website Deadspin.com continued the TMZ-ing of sports by posting damning voice mails, Facebook entries and extremely risqué texts allegedly sent by Favre to Jenn Sterger (now with Versus, then with the Jets’ in-house TV network).

Roethlisberger missed four games based on he-said, she-said. This goes way beyond. There seems little doubt that it’s Favre on the voice mails. The caller has a Mississippi area code; Favre resides in Mississippi. A watch seen in the pornographic “sexts” sent to Sterger matches one often worn by Favre.

Two massage therapists who worked for the Jets during Favre’s tenure are also said to be targets of unwanted and unsolicited sexual advances from Favre.

Sterger is cooperating with the NFL’s investigation. If her evidence is seen as compelling, Favre will be questioned.

But is Goodell willing to suspend a legend? If not, where does that leave the personal conduct policy?

Goodell is a dictator. A dictator is just a con man with power. Goodell doesn’t need to justify. But lots of people are watching very closely, not least of all Mrs. Favre. Brett has probably already called Kobe Bryant’s jeweler.

As a snarky new-age radio host, I see nothing wrong with l’affaire Favre being reported. I saw nothing wrong with Roethlisberger’s troubles being documented, either, though I felt some aspects of what happened were unfair. Deadspin.com has been castigated for taking Favre to task. But Deadspin.com’s reporting has been exemplary, ahead of the curve and has reduced the rest of the media to riding its coattails or scrambling to catch up.

As a forthcoming biography of Mickey Mantle points out, sportswriters stopped ignoring the malfeasance of athletes after the New York Yankees brawled at the Copacabana night club in 1957. Babe Ruth played in the right era.

As for Sterger, you can’t hate Favre for trying. But Favre comes off as begging, and only a moron would scatter so much proof. It’s like Favre wanted to get caught. Forget the conduct policy; Favre looks like a geek.

If Goodell chooses to not suspend Favre, it’s favoritism. The smoking guns are too plentiful.

If Goodell does suspend Favre, Favre’s legacy is tainted. His record-setting consecutive starts streak would end. It wouldn’t be shocking to see Favre quit in a fit of petulance. He’s always exhibited entitlement, and might perversely feel betrayed by the NFL. Favre thinks he does football a favor by playing.

The thought of Randy Moss having maneuvered himself into playing catch with Tarvaris Jackson is more than a bit amusing.

As for the TMZ-ing of sports, one thing seems certain: It won’t stop. Those who cover sports old-school style are likely to fail in the attempt.

No sympathy for Favre. He’s a married man, a grandfather. With his stature comes a certain responsibility — not to the fans, media or football, but to himself and his family. Don’t be a dirty old man.

What Roethlisberger did was ill-advised.

What Favre did was against the law, against NFL rules, against New York Jets policy and just plain dumb.

[Little Whiskey]

this thread blows. Yeah because Scotts gone.

where did scott go? did he get the boot?

[woodbuck27]

this thread blows.

Agreed.

Woodbuck, how is it unfair? I am acknowledging that he had a great 3rd quarter, and start of the fourth quarter. Why can you not acknowledge that he had an atrocious first half, and threw the game-clinching interception

He was 14/34. Well under 50 percent

First of all I'm not a Vikings fan and I don't give a lick for the result and I had CP's on the JETS in a miserable week in the Pro Pickem.

I wanted to see the Jets win so, Favre and not getting it done in first half....

What Favre did that was negative in the first half has to be anayized in terms not specific to just Favre's performance.

IMO. Favre didn't play bad in the 1st half. He had little chance to play with any effectiveness. He had 2-3 seconds to do 4-5 step dropback pass's. Did you see it ... the game? It was a disaster, but overall I cannot blame Favre; but you go ahead. Everybody else has been shitting on him this week. :lol: Blame Favre and fit right in.

*In that half the Vikings were up to their tricks of getting penalties. So no support for offensive flow again in terms of team discipline.

* AP wasn't busting long so the pressure fell to Favre and pass. Again the Viking OL.

* In that first half. THe Vikings had about 35-38 yards of 'O' through five series and it was more wrong than just Favre. Those five series were all 3 and out's.

I watched the Viking's OL carefully and It was nowhere and Favre had little time to set up to throw. He needs on a short drop about 3-3.5 seconds for almost any toss, and he was getting buried as his OL sucked IMO. He even tried to retreat deep behind the LOS and got pursued and trapped. That was hiliarious.

It looked like he was naked (whooops!) wrong choice of words but it's been that kinda week.

Sure blame Favre. It's easy ... just BLAME him. :roll:

GO PACK GO!

[MadtownPacker]

this thread blows. Yeah because Scotts gone.

where did scott go? did he get the boot?
He didnt get shit. He ran off like a lil bitch cuz I requested he not be quoting me on shit I didnt post. Not sure why he hasnt come back.

[MadtownPacker]

Woody, please cut down your post size it's like your trying to compensate for something. :shock:

Just messing with you man but seriously, I am starting to skip your post also. They are just too long. Keep it at a paragraph or two and I swear I will read them.

[cheesner]

http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sports_details/article/1424/2010/october/10/monday-madden-after-ben-fiasco-nfl-has-to-suspend-favre.html

After Ben fiasco, NFL has to suspend Favre
By: Mark Madden
. . . .
What Favre did was against the law, against NFL rules, against New York Jets policy and just plain dumb.

Not sure I agree with this. Ben raped a woman. Brett sent pics of little brett to a woman he knew. I have a tough time equating the two. If Sterger doesn't talk, then the possibility exists that she was okay at the time with the perverse courtship practice.

[sheepshead]

http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sports_details/article/1424/2010/october/10/monday-madden-after-ben-fiasco-nfl-has-to-suspend-favre.html

After Ben fiasco, NFL has to suspend Favre
By: Mark Madden
. . . .
What Favre did was against the law, against NFL rules, against New York Jets policy and just plain dumb.

Not sure I agree with this. Ben raped a woman. Brett sent pics of little brett to a woman he knew. I have a tough time equating the two. If Sterger doesn't talk, then the possibility exists that she was okay at the time with the perverse courtship practice.

Not only wasnt he convicted, he wasnt even charged. Fact check man.

[MadtownPacker]

http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sports_details/article/1424/2010/october/10/monday-madden-after-ben-fiasco-nfl-has-to-suspend-favre.html

After Ben fiasco, NFL has to suspend Favre
By: Mark Madden
. . . .
What Favre did was against the law, against NFL rules, against New York Jets policy and just plain dumb.

Not sure I agree with this. Ben raped a woman. Brett sent pics of little brett to a woman he knew. I have a tough time equating the two. If Sterger doesn't talk, then the possibility exists that she was okay at the time with the perverse courtship practice.You know what I aint gonna lie, I think that lady is likely a ho. She is marketing that thang to make a name for herself. She has been in Playboy and pretty much has her tits on display at all times. Not hating on her for it in fact I say roll with it if that is what you wanna do. But if she was to follow through with the complaint how will her "legacy" be changed? What fun is it seeing her if all you are gonna think is "that's the chick that filed harassment!". I believe it is even in her best interest to let it go. Then folks might say "thats the chick that let Favre off the hook!". Cant say that doesn't have a better ring to it. Not like she hasnt gotten major attention over this anyways.

[pbmax]

this thread blows.
I think that thread is in the Garbage Can.

[sheepshead]

Did Deanna throw this? (must see)


http://wcco.com/video/?id=84657%40wcco.dayport.com

[gex]

this thread blows.
2ND

[gex]

Woody, please cut down your post size it's like your trying to compensate for something. :shock:

Just messing with you man but seriously, I am starting to skip your post also. They are just too long. Keep it at a paragraph or two and I swear I will read them.
2ND

[pbmax]

Woody is now lecturing the owner. There is no doubt in my mind he means well, but it is audacious of him non-the-less.

What are cliffnotes?

Cliffs (ehemals Cliffs Notes, die ursprünglich Cliff's Notes und oft fälschlicherweise, CliffNotes) sind eine Reihe von Studenten Studie Führer zur Verfügung allem in den Vereinigten Staaten. Die Führungen vorzustellen und zu erläutern literarischen und anderen Werken in Form von Flugblättern oder online. Kritiker der Studie Führer behaupten, sie lassen Studenten Bypass Lesen der Literatur zugeordnet. Im Gegensatz dazu behauptet das Unternehmen, das Lesen des Originals zu fördern, und nicht den Blick Studienführer als Ersatz für die Lesung.




Cliffs wurde von einem einheimischen Nebraska benannt Cliff Hillegass im Jahr 1958 begonnen. Er wurde in Nebraska Book Co. of Lincoln, Nebraska, wenn er Jack Cole, der Mitinhaber von Coles, ein Buch Toronto Geschäft traf arbeiten. Coles war auch der Herausgeber einer Reihe von kanadischen Studie Führer genannt Coles Notes. Jack Cole boten die amerikanischen Rechte an Hillegass.

Hillegass und seine Frau Catherine, begann das Geschäft in ihrem Keller bei 511 Eastridge Drive, mit sechzehn William Shakespeare Titel. Cliffs, gibt es heute in Hunderten von Werken. Der Begriff Cliffs hat nun in modernen Sprachgebrauch kommen, wie ein Substantiv für Notizen ähnlicher Art auf den ursprünglichen CliffsNotes Bücher.

:shock: :shock: :shock: Your German is almost perfect!!!! Thanks for the the explaination, but I'm gonna needs meds to get over the shock!!!

It's easy to look smart with the interwebs these days......no need to think anymore:

http://translate.google.com/#en|de|
Say it ain't so Howard, say it ain't so!

[gex]

http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sports_details/article/1424/2010/october/10/monday-madden-after-ben-fiasco-nfl-has-to-suspend-favre.html

After Ben fiasco, NFL has to suspend Favre
By: Mark Madden
. . . .
What Favre did was against the law, against NFL rules, against New York Jets policy and just plain dumb.

Not sure I agree with this. Ben raped a woman. Brett sent pics of little brett to a woman he knew. I have a tough time equating the two. If Sterger doesn't talk, then the possibility exists that she was okay at the time with the perverse courtship practice.You know what I aint gonna lie, I think that lady is likely a ho. She is marketing that thang to make a name for herself. She has been in Playboy and pretty much has her tits on display at all times. Not hating on her for it in fact I say roll with it if that is what you wanna do. But if she was to follow through with the complaint how will her "legacy" be changed? What fun is it seeing her if all you are gonna think is "that's the chick that filed harassment!". I believe it is even in her best interest to let it go. Then folks might say "thats the chick that let Favre off the hook!". Cant say that doesn't have a better ring to it. Not like she hasnt gotten major attention over this anyways.

Is this just a one-sided story so far... has anyone asked this fine upstanding woman if she ever text Brett back and forth or asked for the pic/or even sent him some racy pics of herself(she coulda just sent him her Playboy spread).

[MadtownPacker]

Is this just a one-sided story so far... has anyone asked this fine upstanding woman if she ever text Brett back and forth or asked for the pic/or even sent him some racy pics of herself(she coulda just sent him her Playboy spread).Buddy, I think the Playboy spread is why the old dog was after her. You know he always likes trying to score on one play. :lol:

[MJZiggy]

http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sports_details/article/1424/2010/october/10/monday-madden-after-ben-fiasco-nfl-has-to-suspend-favre.html

After Ben fiasco, NFL has to suspend Favre
By: Mark Madden
. . . .
What Favre did was against the law, against NFL rules, against New York Jets policy and just plain dumb.

Not sure I agree with this. Ben raped a woman. Brett sent pics of little brett to a woman he knew. I have a tough time equating the two. If Sterger doesn't talk, then the possibility exists that she was okay at the time with the perverse courtship practice.You know what I aint gonna lie, I think that lady is likely a ho. She is marketing that thang to make a name for herself. She has been in Playboy and pretty much has her tits on display at all times. Not hating on her for it in fact I say roll with it if that is what you wanna do. But if she was to follow through with the complaint how will her "legacy" be changed? What fun is it seeing her if all you are gonna think is "that's the chick that filed harassment!". I believe it is even in her best interest to let it go. Then folks might say "thats the chick that let Favre off the hook!". Cant say that doesn't have a better ring to it. Not like she hasnt gotten major attention over this anyways.

Is this just a one-sided story so far... has anyone asked this fine upstanding woman if she ever text Brett back and forth or asked for the pic/or even sent him some racy pics of herself(she coulda just sent him her Playboy spread).

If you listen to the second message, you pretty much have your answer.

[MJZiggy]

Did Deanna throw this? (must see)


http://wcco.com/video/?id=84657%40wcco.dayport.com

Hee hee. Whoever it was apparently has a talent for hitting small targets... :whist:

[retailguy]

Did Deanna throw this? (must see)


http://wcco.com/video/?id=84657%40wcco.dayport.com

Hee hee. Whoever it was apparently has a talent for hitting small targets... :whist:

Must've been Tavaris... :P :D :wink:

[Iron Mike]

LOL...whut?

[Freak Out]

lol.....who let the dongs out.

[denverYooper]

lol.....who let the dongs out.

+1

[Kiwon]

Did Deanna throw this? (must see)


http://wcco.com/video/?id=84657%40wcco.dayport.com

Hee hee. Whoever it was apparently has a talent for hitting small targets... :whist:

Low blow there, MJZ :wink:

[Tarlam!]

Did Deanna throw this? (must see)


http://wcco.com/video/?id=84657%40wcco.dayport.com

Hee hee. Whoever it was apparently has a talent for hitting small targets... :whist:

Low blow there, MJZ :wink:

That's her subtle way of letting us all you that she's getting satisfaction, as opposed to Mick Jagger in the 1960's.

8-)

[woodbuck27]

Woody, please cut down your post size it's like your trying to compensate for something. :shock:

Just messing with you man but seriously, I am starting to skip your post also. They are just too long. Keep it at a paragraph or two and I swear I will read them.

Thanks Mad and I get you. I'm trying to compensate for the fickleness of Packer fans. :lol: The " what have you done for me now " ... deal and they still won't go to the TRUTH and Favre, and why he actually came to be out of Green Bay.

It's always Favre's fault and he's to blame. REALLY tiring for me. I see it another way. Posters attitudes that do not see the facts in context, bother me. I'm all for basic decencies, fairness and justice. Not the opposite. .... " It's really my shock - frustration " Re: Me and my identity and the BS that some here try to plant on me, that's far from the TRUTH.

I protect my integrity. Piss me off, and I don't move easily.

TRUST this Mad. I'm not a Vikings fan and I'm getting some here claiming that I'm not a Packer fan without really going there. That's just really stupid. The stuff that gets on this board fr. ' the terrible duo' can get really pathetic in terms of 'attack' so it goes to 'a pissing match'.

I stand up for myself.

A piece of cake to handle but NOT good for this forum.

I'm glad to hear that Scott Campbell is OK and taking a break. I asked him to do that. I know Scott Campbell and he was running... too hot. Then there's ...!@%$@! WOW! :roll: I'm on their side. I just won't ever allow them to run over me.

Great to read that Scott is just taking a break. He has to go there as he gets something in his head and zooooom !! Those of us that have posted together for five years or more get to really know more of one another. It gets more REAL. Sometimes old resentments never buried... resurface.

I hope it's over for another year or so.

GO PACK GO!

[MadtownPacker]

Thanks Mad and I get you. I'm trying to compensate for the fickleness of Packer fans. :lol: The " what have you done for me now " ... deal and they still won't go to the TRUTH and Favre and out of Green Bay.

It's always Favre's fault and he's to blame. Porters attitudes that do not see the facts in context, bother me. I'm all for basic decencies, fairness and justice. Not the opposite. :idea:

Do people here get me? "It's really my shock. My frustration" Re: Me and my identity and " the BS that some here try to plant on me" that's far the TRUTH. Piss me off, and I don't move easily.

TRUST this Mad. I'm noy a Vikings fan and I'm getting challenged in terms of some trying to handle me not a Packerfn. Fueck!! That's just rally stupid. The stuff that gets on this board fr. ' the terrible duo' can get pathetic or to 'a pissing match'. A piece of cake to handle. Every time their language

I'm so glad to hear that Scott Campbell is OK and taking a wee break. I asked him to do that. I know Scott Campbell and he was running too hot. The !@%$@!?&^#@ WOW! He can't help himself. :roll:

GOD Bless them. :)

Great to read that Scott is just taking a break. He has to go there as he gets something in his head and zoooooooooom !! Those of us that have posted together for five years or more get to really know more of one another. It gets more REAL. Sometimes old resentments never buried... resurface.

Their weakness not mine. I( am real and strong. :D

I really see the real mainliners Vs woodbuck27 and when we go head to head 'it's brutal the way it turns out'. I warn them to RELAX but no...they have to get their 'shit flying storm going' and it does them an injustice. Exposure. They do themselves.

Mad. I hope it's over for another year or so...hahaaha.

GO PACK GO!Better, but thats still too fucking long! Aint nobody being fickle. It is cuz it is difficult to stay in the flow of the topic when a post is so long. Sometimes by the time I finish reading them (yes I read em) the thread has changed topics. Quality not quantity man! :lol:

Stop this BS Woody, SC didnt leave cuz of you and he shouldn't leave at all. Personally I get tired of his BS kinda like many are getting tired of yours. Seriously man, and I say this with expectations you will take it to heart, you are doing wrong. Gotta let things go like you said move forward. Campbell has honored his word now I think it is time you follow suit.

[woodbuck27]

Thanks Mad and I get you. I'm trying to compensate for the fickleness of Packer fans. :lol: The " what have you done for me now " ... deal and they still won't go to the TRUTH and Favre and out of Green Bay.

It's always Favre's fault and he's to blame. Porters attitudes that do not see the facts in context, bother me. I'm all for basic decencies, fairness and justice. Not the opposite. :idea:

Do people here get me? "It's really my shock. My frustration" Re: Me and my identity and " the BS that some here try to plant on me" that's far the TRUTH. Piss me off, and I don't move easily.

TRUST this Mad. I'm noy a Vikings fan and I'm getting challenged in terms of some trying to handle me not a Packerfn. Fueck!! That's just rally stupid. The stuff that gets on this board fr. ' the terrible duo' can get pathetic or to 'a pissing match'. A piece of cake to handle. Every time their language

I'm so glad to hear that Scott Campbell is OK and taking a wee break. I asked him to do that. I know Scott Campbell and he was running too hot. The !@%$@!?&^#@ WOW! He can't help himself. :roll:

GOD Bless them. :)

Great to read that Scott is just taking a break. He has to go there as he gets something in his head and zoooooooooom !! Those of us that have posted together for five years or more get to really know more of one another. It gets more REAL. Sometimes old resentments never buried... resurface.

Their weakness not mine. I( am real and strong. :D

I really see the real mainliners Vs woodbuck27 and when we go head to head 'it's brutal the way it turns out'. I warn them to RELAX but no...they have to get their 'shit flying storm going' and it does them an injustice. Exposure. They do themselves.

Mad. I hope it's over for another year or so...hahaaha.

GO PACK GO!Better, but thats still too fucking long! Aint nobody being fickle. It is cuz it is difficult to stay in the flow of the topic when a post is so long. Sometimes by the time I finish reading them (yes I read em) the thread has changed topics. Quality not quantity man! :lol:

Stop this BS Woody, SC didnt leave cuz of you and he shouldn't leave at all. Personally I get tired of his BS kinda like many are getting tired of yours. Seriously man, and I say this with expectations you will take it to heart, you are doing wrong. Gotta let things go like you said move forward. Campbell has honored his word now I think it is time you follow suit.

Mad.

Here is the TRUTH.

I didn't and don't ever start this CRAP. That is real and the TRUTH.

Mad Look carefully at how it began last Thursday. Look how SC stalked me and set up the exchange. Read my tongue and cheek responses. I had no idea it would go where it did but I believe that when Deadsspin came out with that video.....That was an equivalent to a wet dream for SC. He went all viral over that. His emotions RE;Favre are not realistic. Next, I see the gravity of this mess and Packerrats. I did everything in my power, and acted all by myself to stop his need to piss all over with the Favre Smut Story.

I took my stance and I'm glad I did.

SC goes. I had nothing to do with that . I tried my best to get a result far removed fr. SC going. The record shows that TRUTH. The record shows me trying to calm him down Mad. :idea:

Ohh SC will be back. Don't fret about SC. He needs this place for his agenda (s).

[woodbuck27]

Woody, please cut down your post size it's like your trying to compensate for something. :shock:

Just messing with you man but seriously, I am starting to skip your post also. They are just too long. Keep it at a paragraph or two and I swear I will read them.

Thanks Mad and I get you. I'm trying to compensate for the fickleness of Packer fans. :lol: The " what have you done for me now " ... deal and they still won't go to the TRUTH and Favre, and why he actually came to be out of Green Bay.

It's always Favre's fault and he's to blame. REALLY tiring for me. I see it another way. Posters attitudes that do not see the facts in context, bother me. I'm all for basic decencies, fairness and justice. Not the opposite. .... " It's really my shock - frustration " Re: Me and my identity and the BS that some here try to plant on me, that's far from the TRUTH.

I protect my integrity. Piss me off, and I don't move easily.

TRUST this Mad. I'm not a Vikings fan and I'm getting some here claiming that I'm not a Packer fan without really going there. That's just really stupid. The stuff that gets on this board fr. ' the terrible duo' can get really pathetic in terms of 'attack' so it goes to 'a pissing match'.

I stand up for myself rarely. I always stand up for Packerrats, Mad. I've had to stand Vs those two fella's 2 or 3 times going back to JSO. I think it was during the time of a new m It gets started and I try my best to finish it ASAP.

I'm glad to hear that Scott Campbell is OK and taking a break. I asked him to do that. I know Scott Campbell and he was running... too hot. Then there's ...!@%$@! WOW! :roll: I'm on their side. I just won't ever allow them to run over me.

Great to read that Scott is just taking a break. He has to go there as he gets something in his head and zooooom !! Those of us that have posted together for five years or more get to really know more of one another. It gets more REAL. Sometimes old resentments never buried... resurface.

I hope it's over for another year or so.

GO PACK GO!

[Tarlam!]

If you think SC is absent due to anything you wrote, you are obviously a meglomaniac. Scott Campbell has made you look ridiculous since day one; you're simply too ignorant to get it.

You've been politely asked to shorten your posts length and keep on topic, by members that actually are prepared to tolerate you. Despite efforts, honest efforts, from posters not named Scott Campbell or Tarlam! to point you in the right direction to being a valued contibutor here, you maintain that you, and only you have a monopoly on the truth. You fight to save Packer Rats from negative influences with imaginary agendas. You are judgemental, arrogant, condascending and a hypocrite.

It is you, Edwin Buck, that is ruining this thread and Packer Rats. You're either too conceited or just too plain stupid to get it.

[3irty1]

The title of this thread needs to be changed to:

OFFICIAL WOODBUCK PACKERRATS SCANDAL ROCKS SPORTS WORLD

Lets get back on track here. Call me a bully but I need this Favre/Vikings hating news to feel better about my own team.

Lets hear some more implosion scenarios!

[gbgary]

don't know if it's been mention but some are saying the tendonitis thing is bogus so that he can be asked to sit a few games, it can be done due to that instead of some official sanction...much like the michael jordan year off for baseball instead of getting a gambling suspension.

[vince]

Pevre fans aren't happy, to say the least... :lol: Favre forever baby.

http://deadspin.com/5664133/angry-readers-defend-brett-favre--now-with-audio-nfsw

[vince]

New endorsement deal for B-rod.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/twernke/Packers/bretinchair2.jpg
Courtesy of "Pigskin," Pigskin Prattle forum on Packersnews.net.

[get louder at lambeau]

I didn't know you posted at pn.net, vince. Are you vince over there too?

[vince]

I pop in on occassion to read different perspectives. I don't even have an account there. There's a pretty good group over there IMO though. I should post there too, but I pretty much stay here for some reason that I'm not quite sure of myself. Time constraints mostly...and Fritz.

[CaptainKickass]

lol.....who let the dongs out.


Bwahahahahahaha!!!

[MJZiggy]

don't know if it's been mention but some are saying the tendonitis thing is bogus so that he can be asked to sit a few games, it can be done due to that instead of some official sanction...much like the michael jordan year off for baseball instead of getting a gambling suspension.

I was actually discussing this very thing with a colleague today. Notice it was right after this story broke that he shows up at a PRESS CONFERENCE with ice on his elbow (an elbow that's never bothered him in 20 years), and as more women show up and talk starts about a quick investigation, he starts holding his arm after plays (unless something cool happens, then he forgets to hold it) then Brett Favre VOLUNTEERS to sit a game or two....two hundred and eighty some games, proudest of that record and paranoid from day one about sitting for ANY reason and he suddenly is volunteering. Methinks he wants it to be seen as an "injury" that takes him out rather than a young game hostess.

[ThunderDan]

don't know if it's been mention but some are saying the tendonitis thing is bogus so that he can be asked to sit a few games, it can be done due to that instead of some official sanction...much like the michael jordan year off for baseball instead of getting a gambling suspension.

I was actually discussing this very thing with a colleague today. Notice it was right after this story broke that he shows up at a PRESS CONFERENCE with ice on his elbow (an elbow that's never bothered him in 20 years), and as more women show up and talk starts about a quick investigation, he starts holding his arm after plays (unless something cool happens, then he forgets to hold it) then Brett Favre VOLUNTEERS to sit a game or two....two hundred and eighty some games, proudest of that record and paranoid from day one about sitting for ANY reason and he suddenly is volunteering. Methinks he wants it to be seen as an "injury" that takes him out rather than a young game hostess.

Good thing you put "methinks" in your post otherwise you would need to prove your expertice in the elbow injury department before you could post. :lol:

[MJZiggy]

don't know if it's been mention but some are saying the tendonitis thing is bogus so that he can be asked to sit a few games, it can be done due to that instead of some official sanction...much like the michael jordan year off for baseball instead of getting a gambling suspension.

I was actually discussing this very thing with a colleague today. Notice it was right after this story broke that he shows up at a PRESS CONFERENCE with ice on his elbow (an elbow that's never bothered him in 20 years), and as more women show up and talk starts about a quick investigation, he starts holding his arm after plays (unless something cool happens, then he forgets to hold it) then Brett Favre VOLUNTEERS to sit a game or two....two hundred and eighty some games, proudest of that record and paranoid from day one about sitting for ANY reason and he suddenly is volunteering. Methinks he wants it to be seen as an "injury" that takes him out rather than a young game hostess.

Good thing you put "methinks" in your post otherwise you would need to prove your expertice in the elbow injury department before you could post. :lol:

I hit my funnybone once. I'm eminently qualified.

[HowardRoark]

don't know if it's been mention but some are saying the tendonitis thing is bogus so that he can be asked to sit a few games, it can be done due to that instead of some official sanction...much like the michael jordan year off for baseball instead of getting a gambling suspension.

I was actually discussing this very thing with a colleague today. Notice it was right after this story broke that he shows up at a PRESS CONFERENCE with ice on his elbow (an elbow that's never bothered him in 20 years), and as more women show up and talk starts about a quick investigation, he starts holding his arm after plays (unless something cool happens, then he forgets to hold it) then Brett Favre VOLUNTEERS to sit a game or two....two hundred and eighty some games, proudest of that record and paranoid from day one about sitting for ANY reason and he suddenly is volunteering. Methinks he wants it to be seen as an "injury" that takes him out rather than a young game hostess.

Good thing you put "methinks" in your post otherwise you would need to prove your expertice in the elbow injury department before you could post. :lol:


I hit my funnybone once. I'm eminently qualified.

I sexted a picture of my elbow once.

[MJZiggy]

don't know if it's been mention but some are saying the tendonitis thing is bogus so that he can be asked to sit a few games, it can be done due to that instead of some official sanction...much like the michael jordan year off for baseball instead of getting a gambling suspension.

I was actually discussing this very thing with a colleague today. Notice it was right after this story broke that he shows up at a PRESS CONFERENCE with ice on his elbow (an elbow that's never bothered him in 20 years), and as more women show up and talk starts about a quick investigation, he starts holding his arm after plays (unless something cool happens, then he forgets to hold it) then Brett Favre VOLUNTEERS to sit a game or two....two hundred and eighty some games, proudest of that record and paranoid from day one about sitting for ANY reason and he suddenly is volunteering. Methinks he wants it to be seen as an "injury" that takes him out rather than a young game hostess.

Good thing you put "methinks" in your post otherwise you would need to prove your expertice in the elbow injury department before you could post. :lol:


I hit my funnybone once. I'm eminently qualified.

I sexted a picture of my elbow once.

And did it work? Maybe these guys are just sending the wrong body parts...

[HowardRoark]

don't know if it's been mention but some are saying the tendonitis thing is bogus so that he can be asked to sit a few games, it can be done due to that instead of some official sanction...much like the michael jordan year off for baseball instead of getting a gambling suspension.

I was actually discussing this very thing with a colleague today. Notice it was right after this story broke that he shows up at a PRESS CONFERENCE with ice on his elbow (an elbow that's never bothered him in 20 years), and as more women show up and talk starts about a quick investigation, he starts holding his arm after plays (unless something cool happens, then he forgets to hold it) then Brett Favre VOLUNTEERS to sit a game or two....two hundred and eighty some games, proudest of that record and paranoid from day one about sitting for ANY reason and he suddenly is volunteering. Methinks he wants it to be seen as an "injury" that takes him out rather than a young game hostess.

Good thing you put "methinks" in your post otherwise you would need to prove your expertice in the elbow injury department before you could post. :lol:


I hit my funnybone once. I'm eminently qualified.

I sexted a picture of my elbow once.

And did it work? Maybe these guys are just sending the wrong body parts...

......hey baby, wanna see my foot?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_N2EyyrA_LPs/S2nzzvgaSiI/AAAAAAAAGxc/mRyCiv8mT0o/s320/favreankle.jpg

[SkinBasket]

Sometimes karma is a bitch. Sometimes, it's a football...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMywHFojUtY

Suck it Farve.

[pbmax]

I was actually discussing this very thing with a colleague today. Notice it was right after this story broke that he shows up at a PRESS CONFERENCE with ice on his elbow (an elbow that's never bothered him in 20 years),
I am pretty sure he has had right elbow tendinitis before. He had it one year with Sherman and had to miss minicamp work and then was on the famous pitch count for training camp.

[get louder at lambeau]

I was actually discussing this very thing with a colleague today. Notice it was right after this story broke that he shows up at a PRESS CONFERENCE with ice on his elbow (an elbow that's never bothered him in 20 years),
I am pretty sure he has had right elbow tendinitis before. He had it one year with Sherman and had to miss minicamp work and then was on the famous pitch count for training camp.

Yeah, he was talking about that in one of his interviews this week. I vaguely remember it too.

[Pugger]

LOL...whut?

OMG! Your avatar make me laugh so loud I spooked my hubby watching TV!! :lol: :lol:

[MJZiggy]

I was actually discussing this very thing with a colleague today. Notice it was right after this story broke that he shows up at a PRESS CONFERENCE with ice on his elbow (an elbow that's never bothered him in 20 years),
I am pretty sure he has had right elbow tendinitis before. He had it one year with Sherman and had to miss minicamp work and then was on the famous pitch count for training camp.

Yeah, he was talking about that in one of his interviews this week. I vaguely remember it too.

Details. And he volunteered to sit a couple games then? Did it magically go away when the season started? I don't remember him having it.

[woodbuck27]

I was actually discussing this very thing with a colleague today. Notice it was right after this story broke that he shows up at a PRESS CONFERENCE with ice on his elbow (an elbow that's never bothered him in 20 years),
I am pretty sure he has had right elbow tendinitis before. He had it one year with Sherman and had to miss minicamp work and then was on the famous pitch count for training camp.

Yeah, he was talking about that in one of his interviews this week. I vaguely remember it too.

Details. And he volunteered to sit a couple games then? Did it magically go away when the season started? I don't remember him having it.

Favre suffered this condition at least once before. He knows how to play through it too. He'll have to be dragged out of their starting line up or otherwise.

It's the otherwise or not, we're all watching for. :)

GO PACK GO !

[MJZiggy]

I was actually discussing this very thing with a colleague today. Notice it was right after this story broke that he shows up at a PRESS CONFERENCE with ice on his elbow (an elbow that's never bothered him in 20 years),
I am pretty sure he has had right elbow tendinitis before. He had it one year with Sherman and had to miss minicamp work and then was on the famous pitch count for training camp.

Yeah, he was talking about that in one of his interviews this week. I vaguely remember it too.

Details. And he volunteered to sit a couple games then? Did it magically go away when the season started? I don't remember him having it.

Favre suffered this condition at least once before. He knows how to play through it too. He'll have to be dragged out of their starting line up or otherwise.

It's the otherwise or not, we're all watching for. :)

GO PACK GO !

There's no dragging Woodbuck. He already said he may take a game or two off. Voluntarily. No kicking. No screaming. And it smells VERY suspicious to me.

[pbmax]

Well, this was before Brett was covered with today's cynical eye. Only his INTs, his rehab stint and the odd confessional with Terry Bradshaw were on record as blemishes. So as I remember the coverage, it was roughly as panicky as the immediate reaction to losing A Rod to a concussion. And it was no more detailed.

He essentially was shut down for offseason throwing. Remember, this was back when he maintained that he did not throw at all in the offseason. Then when training camp rolled around, he would throw X amount and then the backups would take over. They nursed him along and it did not pop up in the regular season that I remember.

After the season, Sherman and the training staff wanted him to throw some, in the offseason, so he would not come in cold to offseason workouts/minicamps. This was about the time, that Sherman began to excuse him from one of the OTAs or minicamps each season.

[woodbuck27]

I was actually discussing this very thing with a colleague today. Notice it was right after this story broke that he shows up at a PRESS CONFERENCE with ice on his elbow (an elbow that's never bothered him in 20 years),
I am pretty sure he has had right elbow tendinitis before. He had it one year with Sherman and had to miss minicamp work and then was on the famous pitch count for training camp.

Yeah, he was talking about that in one of his interviews this week. I vaguely remember it too.

Details. And he volunteered to sit a couple games then? Did it magically go away when the season started? I don't remember him having it.

Favre suffered this condition at least once before. He knows how to play through it too. He'll have to be dragged out of their starting line up or otherwise.

It's the otherwise or not, we're all watching for. :)

GO PACK GO !

There's no dragging Woodbuck. He already said he may take a game or two off. Voluntarily. No kicking. No screaming. And it smells VERY suspicious to me.

mj ...

I've always felt, 'that women have a better nose then most men'.

PACKERS!

[Bossman641]

Thanks Mad and I get you. I'm trying to compensate for the fickleness of Packer fans. :lol: The " what have you done for me now " ... deal and they still won't go to the TRUTH and Favre, and why he actually came to be out of Green Bay.

It's always Favre's fault and he's to blame. REALLY tiring for me.

There's also the possibility that YOU are wrong WB. The lines have already been drawn in the sand. You won't change your mind, myself and many others won't change our minds.

I have no issue with you, but please just stop with the posts acting like you know everything that has happened with Favre and are better then others for feeling the way you do.

[Fritz]

I think Zig nailed it a while ago when she said that Favre's stated greatest fear has always been hanging on too long...and now he's living his greatest fear.

His elbow may well hurt. But I think (Dr. Psychology here) he's subconsciously doing the grabbing to show the world that he's hurt, to excuse his not-so-good play this year and to distract from the "other" stuff going on.

If he's not grabbing the elbow after good throws, well, then why is he grabbing it after throwing int's?

[mraynrand]

http://hoffar.com/images/art/titian_venus_lrg.jpg

Sexting, 16th century style

[woodbuck27]

Thanks Mad and I get you. I'm trying to compensate for the fickleness of Packer fans. :lol: The " what have you done for me now " ... deal and they still won't go to the TRUTH and Favre, and why he actually came to be out of Green Bay.

It's always Favre's fault and he's to blame. REALLY tiring for me.

There's also the possibility that YOU are wrong WB. The lines have already been drawn in the sand. You won't change your mind, myself and many others won't change our minds.

I have no issue with you, but please just stop with the posts acting like you know everything that has happened with Favre and are better then others for feeling the way you do.

"please just stop with the posts acting like you know everything that has happened with Favre and are better then others for feeling the way you do" Bossman641

I do NOT feel I'm better or in any manner of speaking a better person than any other that posts at Packerrats. I am 'just' me. 'Flesh and bone' human. Dedicted to my hobby as an NFL and Green Bay Packer fan. :)

I am not 'all knowing' in terms of the Packers management Vs Favre and the decision, that led to Favre and 'the NY JETS'. I wan't disappointed that Favre left Green Bay for 'the Jets'. It seemed to me that was the correct and logical step for OUR team and Favre. I am on record many times, as taking 'just' that stance. One that 'only' seemed sensable or reasonable to me as a fan and to the Gren Bay Packers and Favre. It's worked out well for Favre and 'the Packers', in terms related to football.

That issue is over in my personal way of seeing it and dealing with it.

I certainly do not feel better or above or superior about any position(s); Favre's or 'the Green Bay Packers, that are different fr. any member's at Packerrats. It is 'just' what it was and remains, as I see that whole thing. That whole thing is old to me.

We all have our personality's and rights of 'free will' to determine a position personally RE: any issue related to NFL news. I personally respect that as a matter of decency and due course as a common courtesy.

I ask that you trust that 'is TRUTH' in me.

I'm a work in progress. I humble myself to the membership @ Packerrats. I want 'only' a sense of fair play and courtest among all members here at Packerrats. I will certainly do my utmost to uphold my resolve to make Packerrats, something more positive and really special, for all of us to enjoy, ever more positively.

It's been good..it can improve. I believe we all can contribute more to that means.

Now this, and I offer it as some sense of healing to Packerats, in terms of Brett Favre and his final months as a Green Bay Packer. How you feel about him today may change but that isn't the purpose of what I post next. I fully realize, the hurt many Packer fans have endured RE: Brett Favre.

I'm in a position of concern and challenged by this Favre scandal as well. Challenged as the man I am, to understand and deal with the final verdict and any possible negative repurcussions placed on Brett Favre's life, and that of his Family. The whole matter has a certain sickening effect on my life people. I'm dealing with that day to day.

I hope that Brett Favre has taken the same stace. That's really moot as it's his and his Familys business in problem,cause and affect. The bottom line for me personally as a fan. I'm not impressed as this scandal looms over and harms Favre's overall life, and in particular Brett Favre's Family. That sucks !

Yet I await patiently the final verdict of the committee in charge of the investigation. As a fan and NFL fan and Packer fan first and foremost. I await that verdict. I'm still unwavering or unmoved by the public opinion and charges of guilty. I set that to the side and prepare for what I must do in terms related to personal healing RE: the Favre Scandal.

Back to Favre to 'the Jets' for a 4th round pick and what I'm aware of; that I can believe and thus have used to allow acceptance of that whole affair:

Bossman641 and members @ Packerrats:

What I've learned and pass onto Packerrats:

I'm going with a positive statement that Favre made after the 2008 season ended with a Jets loss to the Miami Dolphins.

In a press conference and response to his present position in terms related to 'the Packers' making a final decision to go to Aaron Rodgers as our starting QB.

Favre said words to this effect:

I feel that errors (or mistakes) were made by both sides. Both sides have since acknowledged that and both sides (Favre and 'the green Bay Packers) have no mutual hard feelings and (both Favre and the Packers ) have moved forward (or moved on).

The proposal I make to you, and to Packerrats, in terms directly related to Favre gone as a Packer QB and Aaron Rodgers as OUR QB and offensive leader is:

That we stop pressing salt into an old wound.

That as Packer fans, we try to accept that as fans, we do not know all the details that were involved in that whole process leading to Favre becoming a New York Jet.

Further, that we as NFL fans seek or take 'the high road' and realize that Favre is in terms of the NFL a QB that wanted /wants to help a team meet it's goals. He went fr. the JETS from which he sought and received his release, without any compensation. Favre then was signed for the 2009 season to be 'the Viking' starting QB. That Favre played admirably for the Vikings in 2009, is without question. That as he claims, he personally had one if not his finest season as a QB should be respected as 'a fact'.

Favre is in alot of hot water at this time. He's not 100% physically and he has certain concerns RE: the NFL investigating him for a possible infraction of it's ehicks and morals clause.

That last fact is beyond my scope of further comment. I take that position as a matter of my personal 'free will'; to not further alienate myself from the membership @ Packerrats. I desire respect for my personal stance and decision and ask that the membership find some manner of understanding for where I was last week and acknowlegement 'in time' for my future positive contributions @ Packerrats.

I apoligize to Packerrats ( to all members here) for any verascity, as that may have been interrpreted by any member here last week; and for my position this week.

To turn a page. Seek a personal ideal to contribute as one member to the better good of our Green Bay Packer home. Packerrats.

I love my Packer HOME. I will put forth every effort to prove that ongoing. All I have is me to achieve that purpose.

I request that all members at Packerrats join me in positive terms. To help me see Packerrats grow better as a team fan site. I believe with all of you 'on board' and positive we will achieve great success.

GO PACKERS!

[woodbuck27]

As this thread exists: For the latest news on 'the Brett Favre Scandal:

Click on the LINK immediately below:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/491997-brett-favre-scandal-jenn-sterger-and-the-latest-on-the-nfl-probe

Brett Favre Scandal: Jenn Sterger and the Latest on the NFL Probe

By Sam Westmoreland (Correspondent)

On October 15, 2010 ... Updates will load automatically - no need to refresh

The Brett Favre sexting scandal has continued to grow in recent days, with revelations of an NFL investigation and two more women coming forward and claiming that Favre sent them lewd messages as well.

We've got all the latest news on the whole scandal, from Favre's injury, to the statements of Sterger and the massage therapists.

Read more > LINK

** 10:05 AM ET

Brett Favre Scandal: Injury to Sideline Favre Before Suspension?

If the commissioner opts to suspend Favre at the conclusion of his investigation, it could wind up being a moot point. It was revealed last week that Favre is suffering from severe tendonitis in his throwing elbow.

Read more » LINK

** 09:59 AM ET

Brett Favre Scandal: Vikes' Quarterback Silent on Allegations

Favre has taken the tact of simply staying silent thus far regarding the allegations. When asked about it during last Thursday's press conference, Favre opted to talk about how busy he was preparing for Monday's clash against the Jets.

Read more » LINK

** 09:52 AM ET

Brett Favre Scandal: Jenn Sterger Speaks

Sterger made her first public statements regarding the scandal earlier this week. Through her manager, Sterger said that she hopes for a right result, not a fast one. When asked if they had retained legal counsel, or even spoken to the league...

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** 09:43 AM ET

Brett Favre Scandal: NFL Investigating Quarterback

When Deadspin released the pictures and messages, reporters logically asked the NFL whether they were investigating the alleged harassment, and spokesman Greg Aiello confirmed that the league was looking into the matter. Commissioner Rog...

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** 09:36 AM ET

Brett Favre Scandal: Favre Sexting Massage Therapists?

Shortly after the Jenn Sterger story broke, it came to light that the former sideline hostess may not have been the only Jets' employee to receive some of Favre's affection. A pair of massage therapists who worked for the Jets during Favre's ...

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** 09:27 AM ET

Brett Favre Scandal: What We Know so Far About the Scandal

In case you've been living under a rock or only listen to Sports Illustrated's Peter King for your sports news, let's go over the basics of what we know so far.In 2008, when Favre was quarterback of the New York Jets, Jenn Sterger was a sideline h...

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Comment woodbuck27:

No stars or suckers today! :roll: Makes me want to * ___ *.

I could use many words to fill in * that blank *. ' Those words ', all say the same thing in terms of my frustration, continued alarm and overall disappointment that Brett Favre has gotten into such a controversial and uncomfortabe mess :roll:

The real issue with me is the pain I feel for Favre's wife and children, and immediate and closest family members and dearest friends.

That pain inside of me hurts. I've been doing my best to recognize that pain for what it is. Deal with it in terms of how I react to it, and deal with it in the most positive terms. This has been a difficult week, but I'm taking that to a positive. I believe we all can learn from this. Learn a lesson for ourselves; and I believe that arrives most completely and positively in terms of 'digging for *** forgivness'. if Favre tales it on 'the lump', over this mess.

*** that'd just me. :)

[Fritz]

http://hoffar.com/images/art/titian_venus_lrg.jpg

Sexting, 16th century style

That chick is hot!

[HowardRoark]

http://hoffar.com/images/art/titian_venus_lrg.jpg

Sexting, 16th century style

That chick is hot!

You are a bad man!

http://www.childstarlets.com/lobby/bios/portraits/drew_barrymore12.jpg

[retailguy]

http://hoffar.com/images/art/titian_venus_lrg.jpg

Sexting, 16th century style

That chick is hot!

That's Drew Barrymore's grandmother.

[Joemailman]

http://hoffar.com/images/art/titian_venus_lrg.jpg

Sexting, 16th century style

That chick is hot!

Hotter:

http://www.packerpalace.com/palace03/girlatbeach.jpg

[HowardRoark]

http://hoffar.com/images/art/titian_venus_lrg.jpg

Sexting, 16th century style

That chick is hot!

Hotter:

http://www.packerpalace.com/palace03/girlatbeach.jpg

Isn't that Chilly's offensive playbook?

[wpony]

I found this out there on the net today I am not taking sides but thought it was different :) [url]http://www.nma.tv/2010/10/15/brett-favres-pecker-the-talk-of-the-town

[wpony]

I found this out there on the net today I am not taking sides but thought it was different :)http://www.nma.tv/2010/10/15/brett-favres-pecker-the-talk-of-the-town/

[Cheesehead Craig]

http://hoffar.com/images/art/titian_venus_lrg.jpg

Sexting, 16th century style
Funny little girl puking in the trunk in the background.

[woodbuck27]

http://hoffar.com/images/art/titian_venus_lrg.jpg

Sexting, 16th century style

That chick is hot!

You'd have to dust her off.

She might? have been ... hot. :)

[woodbuck27]

http://hoffar.com/images/art/titian_venus_lrg.jpg

Sexting, 16th century style

That chick is hot!

Hotter:

http://www.packerpalace.com/palace03/girlatbeach.jpg

Isn't that Chilly's offensive playbook?


Da bas a ball player's way and well now this is a real anda hot. Jeter's Minka

http://www.popeater.com/2010/10/11/minka-kelly-esquire-sexiest-woman-alive/

All foot a ball players. A hands a off, Ehh.

Watcha out for ... a 'Real'... and a HOT.

[Tarlam!]

Funny little girl puking in the trunk in the background.

Well, if it is indeed Drew's great grandmother, she's puking becasue Fritz's great grandfather just opened his trenchcoat and flasded! :lol:

[Fritz]

Yeah, I've done some research on great-great-great-great grandpa fritz, and he scared a lot of girls with the size of his...trenchcoat.

Drew Barrymore. Ah. Now there's a pleasant thought.

But part of the reason she's so hot is that she has the curves like those very, very hot 40's and 50's pin ups. Now those were some fine looking women.

[channtheman]

Thanks Mad and I get you. I'm trying to compensate for the fickleness of Packer fans. :lol: The " what have you done for me now " ... deal and they still won't go to the TRUTH and Favre and out of Green Bay.

It's always Favre's fault and he's to blame. Porters attitudes that do not see the facts in context, bother me. I'm all for basic decencies, fairness and justice. Not the opposite. :idea:

Do people here get me? "It's really my shock. My frustration" Re: Me and my identity and " the BS that some here try to plant on me" that's far the TRUTH. Piss me off, and I don't move easily.

TRUST this Mad. I'm noy a Vikings fan and I'm getting challenged in terms of some trying to handle me not a Packerfn. Fueck!! That's just rally stupid. The stuff that gets on this board fr. ' the terrible duo' can get pathetic or to 'a pissing match'. A piece of cake to handle. Every time their language

I'm so glad to hear that Scott Campbell is OK and taking a wee break. I asked him to do that. I know Scott Campbell and he was running too hot. The !@%$@!?&^#@ WOW! He can't help himself. :roll:

GOD Bless them. :)

Great to read that Scott is just taking a break. He has to go there as he gets something in his head and zoooooooooom !! Those of us that have posted together for five years or more get to really know more of one another. It gets more REAL. Sometimes old resentments never buried... resurface.

Their weakness not mine. I( am real and strong. :D

I really see the real mainliners Vs woodbuck27 and when we go head to head 'it's brutal the way it turns out'. I warn them to RELAX but no...they have to get their 'shit flying storm going' and it does them an injustice. Exposure. They do themselves.

Mad. I hope it's over for another year or so...hahaaha.

GO PACK GO!Better, but thats still too fucking long! Aint nobody being fickle. It is cuz it is difficult to stay in the flow of the topic when a post is so long. Sometimes by the time I finish reading them (yes I read em) the thread has changed topics. Quality not quantity man! :lol:

Stop this BS Woody, SC didnt leave cuz of you and he shouldn't leave at all. Personally I get tired of his BS kinda like many are getting tired of yours. Seriously man, and I say this with expectations you will take it to heart, you are doing wrong. Gotta let things go like you said move forward. Campbell has honored his word now I think it is time you follow suit.

I know this is a few pages late, and probably completely off topic now, but at least SC's BS is funny one liners. :lol:

[get louder at lambeau]

Roger Goodell confirms Brett Favre will meet with league
Posted by Josh Alper on October 16, 2010 4:25 PM ET

During an interview at Notre Dame's game against Western Michigan, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell confirmed that Vikings quarterback Brett Favre would be meeting with the league next week about the messages and photos he allegedly sent to former Jets employee Jenn Sterger.

Goodell told Alex Flanagan of NBC Sports that the league was still investigating the issue and did not specify a time for the meeting during the interview. Flanagan later tweeted that the meeting would take place on Tuesday.

During halftime, Peter King added that the meeting would be in Minneapolis with Milt Aldridge, the NFL's vice president of security operations. King also added that the league has not spoken with Sterger yet.

There was no indication about any potential penalty, which makes sense given the fact that there hasn't been any contact between the league and Favre.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/16/roger-goodell-confirms-brett-favre-will-meet-with-league/

[MJZiggy]

Roger Goodell confirms Brett Favre will meet with league
Posted by Josh Alper on October 16, 2010 4:25 PM ET

During an interview at Notre Dame's game against Western Michigan, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell confirmed that Vikings quarterback Brett Favre would be meeting with the league next week about the messages and photos he allegedly sent to former Jets employee Jenn Sterger.

Goodell told Alex Flanagan of NBC Sports that the league was still investigating the issue and did not specify a time for the meeting during the interview. Flanagan later tweeted that the meeting would take place on Tuesday.

During halftime, Peter King added that the meeting would be in Minneapolis with Milt Aldridge, the NFL's vice president of security operations. King also added that the league has not spoken with Sterger yet.

There was no indication about any potential penalty, which makes sense given the fact that there hasn't been any contact between the league and Favre.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/16/roger-goodell-confirms-brett-favre-will-meet-with-league/

I'm calling it right here: Favre sits out this week "injured" just in case there are ramifications from Tuesday's meeting.

Oh, and for your reading pleasure... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/15/AR2010101502801.html?hpid=artslot

Best line in the article: "Daulerio recently wrote on the site that he had met with Sterger to discuss a possible online swimsuit issue but that the conversation turned, as conversations often do, to a discussion of athletes who text pictures of their genitals."

[mraynrand]

It's extremely annoying if Favre's streak (?!) ends with a suspension. If he had to get knocked out, I wanted the Packers to do it.

[Bretsky]

It's extremely annoying if Favre's streak (?!) ends with a suspension. If he had to get knocked out, I wanted the Packers to do it.


ya, we tried that last year before he made us his bitch. I'd be fine with a suspension in case he does it again

[Tarlam!]

It's extremely annoying if Favre's streak (?!) ends with a suspension. If he had to get knocked out, I wanted the Packers to do it.

Well, either way, it's part of his "legacy". Ziggy called it, I think. If he sits out injured, his "legacy" is that injury ended the streak, not a sext scandal.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Deanna Favre released a statement today...

Deanna has issued a statement defending her husband: "Those pictures Brett sent to that woman were meant for me. But you know Brett - they were intercepted!"

[Tarlam!]

:shock: :twisted:

[Pugger]

Deanna Favre released a statement today...

Deanna has issued a statement defending her husband: "Those pictures Brett sent to that woman were meant for me. But you know Brett - they were intercepted!"

:lol: :lol:

I hate to sound cynical but I doubt anything will happen to #4 over this incident except maybe a fine at the most for behavior unbecoming.