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Joemailman
11-07-2010, 08:58 AM
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/Hawk-Directs-Defense-With-Steady-Hand/a1ade1b8-9080-4a2d-80bf-6f81b77b5d78

Yes, I know. It's a packers.com piece, so it's naturally positive. It does however discuss an aspect of Hawk's game this year that doesn't get noticed as much as it should.

Hawk Directs Defense With Steady Hand
By Mike Spofford
Posted Nov 5, 2010
It’s a job that goes relatively unnoticed by the fans both in the stadium and watching on television.


But it’s a job that’s vitally important to the success of the Green Bay Packers’ defense, and linebacker A.J. Hawk does it in the same understated fashion that matches his personality.

As one of two inside linebackers in coordinator Dom Capers’ 3-4 scheme, Hawk is the defensive signal caller, a task that keeps his mind processing information all the way from the end of one play to the beginning of the next.

Simply stated, the sequence goes something like this …

Once a play ends and Capers, from his perch in the coaches’ box, sees the personnel group the offense has on the field for the next snap, he delivers over his headset the defensive play call to assistant head coach Winston Moss on the sidelines. Moss then radios the call in to Hawk, who is the one player on the defense with the speaker in his helmet to receive communication.

Hawk then delivers the call in the huddle and as the players disperse to their positions, he must see and react to the offensive formation. From there, he and fellow inside linebacker Desmond Bishop call out any adjustments the defensive linemen need to be aware of as to their alignment or responsibilities, and the communication must trickle back to the secondary so the defensive backs can make appropriate adjustments as well.

Capers talks all the time about how invaluable clear communication is amongst his defenders on any given play, and the phrase “getting on the same page” isn’t just a cliché but a necessity. Gap responsibilities, blitz lanes, and coverage assignments all must be squared away before the snap.

Players at all levels of the defense have certain communication responsibilities, but it all starts with Hawk, and his sure, steady demeanor couldn’t be more suited to what can be a chaotic, taxing job.

“A.J. is such a consistent guy,” Capers said. “He studies. I think he’s a pro. The guys on the team have confidence in him in terms of making the calls. I think he’s assertive and decisive at doing that.

“The assertiveness, the decisiveness of the signal caller, the adjustments that are made up front -- they affect the confidence of the whole team I think. He’s done a really, really good job with it.”

It’s not even supposed to be Hawk’s job, of course. It’s normally Nick Barnett’s, but since Barnett was lost for the season to a wrist injury in Week 4, Hawk has taken over as the signal caller, just like he did two years ago when Barnett missed the second half of the season with a knee injury.

Even though the Packers were running a different defense in ’08, the experience helped Hawk, just as it did in training camp each of the last two summers as Barnett took significant periods of time off to recuperate from his knee problems.

Barnett certainly performed the job with aplomb as well. But having a player to fill in like Hawk who Moss describes as very “natural” in that leadership role has been one factor that has helped the defense remain competitive and reliable while navigating through a seemingly endless injury list this first half of the season – which culminated last Sunday vs. the New York Jets in the Packers’ first road shutout in 19 years.

“I’ve done it in the past a little bit here, and now doing it full-time, I feel completely confident and comfortable doing it,” Hawk said. “I like being the first guy to get the call through the headset so I’m already thinking in my mind what the defense is and what we’re going to do.”

Hawk’s intelligence and ability to anticipate serve him well as he responds to all the cues on the fly. But perhaps his most valuable trait is his poise, because if the offense shifts the formation or sends someone in motion with the play clock winding down, it opens the possibility that the defense will be forced to scramble frantically at the last second.

“It definitely can get that way if you let it, and that’s one of the biggest tests,” Hawk said. “That’s one of the things I take pride in is trying not to ever freak out or get frantic like that. It kind of runs from the top down. Our coaches do a great job of not being like that and not overreacting, so I don’t want the defense to see me all freaking out getting the call in like we’re behind.

“I just make sure to stay calm and it keeps everybody else calm when you do that.”

Moss appreciates how much easier said than done that actually is in the heat of battle. A former linebacker himself in his playing days, Moss said there’s a lot for the leader in the huddle to cater to – the anxiety on the part of the defensive linemen to want to get lined up right away, or the suggestion of another call by someone in the secondary, for example.

“It can be a very chaotic situation,” said Moss, who also is Hawk’s position coach. “I’ve been in that situation as a signal caller. You’ve got a lot of feedback going on in that huddle, and if you don’t have a guy that has a lot of poise and a lot of command, you can get overrun in that huddle. They can kind of run through you. But they respect A.J. He has a very calm effect in that huddle to where nobody panics.”

That’s especially helpful when the offense is in hurry-up mode or, as inevitably happens at least a few times per game, the offense is late getting organized and Hawk can’t get a call from Moss on the sidelines. The helmet speaker is shut off with 15 seconds remaining on the play clock, so if the offense makes a late personnel substitution and is still huddling after that point, it’s Hawk’s call to make.

Hawk is so consistent in his approach that sometimes the other players don’t even know whether the call he’s communicating is from Capers and Moss, or if he’s making his own decisions. That helps to keep everything business as usual no matter the circumstances

“He has kidded me that he’s wanted to make certain calls on his own,” Moss said with a rather large grin, adding that he doesn’t let Hawk get too “exotic” when he’s on his own. “But he does a very good job of really being detailed and in tune with situations. We have contingencies in place to where he has a call to go to, but he’s also worked outside the framework and he’s been able to put us in very good defenses regardless. We give him a lot of responsibility with that.”

As for the adjustments post-huddle but pre-snap, Hawk credits his mates at inside linebacker, Bishop and Brandon Chillar, for help with the smooth communication. This is Hawk’s fourth year playing with Bishop (a 2007 draft pick) and third with Chillar (a 2008 free agent), and all of them have played multiple linebacker positions within the defense, so everyone’s knowledge of the scheme as a whole has aided the transition in Barnett’s absence.

Hawk’s success with the signal calling has made for an interesting evolution to his season. It started with him not playing any defensive snaps from scrimmage in the opener at Philadelphia, as Capers went with his nickel package the entire game. That prompted some to wonder if Hawk was simply expendable and might be traded to acquire help at another position.

But since then, with Chillar in and out of the lineup with shoulder trouble and Barnett going down for the season, Hawk has not only become an every-down defender for the first time since 2008, but he’s leading the team in total (75) and solo (53) tackles and has tied his career high with two interceptions.

Those are the parts of Hawk’s game everyone sees from the stands and on TV. But it’s the rest of his football acumen that’s made him a major factor for the Packers’ defense in 2010.

“He’s been put in situations every game where he has to respond with a lot of leadership and a lot of smarts to be able to get us lined up, and he’s done a very good job with that,” Moss said.

“To respond to all that and really come on and play at a high level with a lot of production, fulfilling all the roles that he has, embracing all three downs, I couldn’t ask for anything more.”

Patler
11-07-2010, 09:12 AM
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/Hawk-Directs-Defense-With-Steady-Hand/a1ade1b8-9080-4a2d-80bf-6f81b77b5d78

Yes, I know. It's a packers.com piece, so it's naturally positive. It does however discuss an aspect of Hawk's game this year that doesn't get noticed as much as it should.

Hawk Directs Defense With Steady Hand
By Mike Spofford
Posted Nov 5, 2010

....

Hawk’s success with the signal calling has made for an interesting evolution to his season. It started with him not playing any defensive snaps from scrimmage in the opener at Philadelphia, as Capers went with his nickel package the entire game. That prompted some to wonder if Hawk was simply expendable and might be traded to acquire help at another position.

But since then, with Chillar in and out of the lineup with shoulder trouble and Barnett going down for the season, Hawk has not only become an every-down defender for the first time since 2008, but he’s leading the team in total (75) and solo (53) tackles and has tied his career high with two interceptions.
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That seems like a long time ago, doesn't it. Hard to believe that he played no snaps in the first game.

But, its only a few months away from a tough decision for the Packers. What do they do with him and his salary for 2011?

Joemailman
11-07-2010, 09:27 AM
Hawk will never get that 2011 salary, and I think he knows it. It'll be an interesting situation. He may be overpaid right now, compared to what most 3-4 ILB's get. However, he's really good at what he does. I think TT will make a serious effort to sign him. The question is whether teams that run a 4-3 will be willing to pay him more to play OLB.

Fritz
11-07-2010, 09:28 AM
Don't you think we can safely say at least that he won't be bringing home that ten mill next year? After that, who knows? Does it depend on how Barnett's recovery is coming along? On how well Desmond Bishop plays as the season goes on? What a new CBA will look like? Can the team renegotiate past the draft? If so, it might depend on the draft, too. Maybe all of these things?

I think Barnett is the key. If he seems to be progressing well early in the offseason, then I don't think the Packers can live with both Hawk and Bishop. Both have made too many noises about wanting to play full time (don't ask me to define what that means, though...) for them both to be able to come back with a healthy Barnett.

Just my thinking.

Patler
11-07-2010, 09:33 AM
Hawk will never get that 2011 salary, and I think he knows it. It'll be an interesting situation. He may be overpaid right now, compared to what most 3-4 ILB's get. However, he's really good at what he does. I think TT will make a serious effort to sign him. The question is whether teams that run a 4-3 will be willing to pay him more to play OLB.

I felt just as sure that the Packers wouldn't pay KGB is last years salary, or even the last two years, but they kept him after he was only a shell of his former pass-rushing self. He was paid much more than he was worth at the time.

I don't try to guess what TT might do much any more! :lol:

Patler
11-07-2010, 09:40 AM
Don't you think we can safely say at least that he won't be bringing home that ten mill next year? After that, who knows? Does it depend on how Barnett's recovery is coming along? On how well Desmond Bishop plays as the season goes on? What a new CBA will look like? Can the team renegotiate past the draft? If so, it might depend on the draft, too. Maybe all of these things?

I think Barnett is the key. If he seems to be progressing well early in the offseason, then I don't think the Packers can live with both Hawk and Bishop. Both have made too many noises about wanting to play full time (don't ask me to define what that means, though...) for them both to be able to come back with a healthy Barnett.

Just my thinking.

If the defense continues to play well with Hawk and Bishop in the middle, is it inconceivable that TT would trade Barnett?

One way or another it is unlikely that all three will be in GB next year, especially when you factor in what they are also paying Chillar as a fourth player on the inside.

denverYooper
11-07-2010, 09:49 AM
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/Hawk-Directs-Defense-With-Steady-Hand/a1ade1b8-9080-4a2d-80bf-6f81b77b5d78

Yes, I know. It's a packers.com piece, so it's naturally positive. It does however discuss an aspect of Hawk's game this year that doesn't get noticed as much as it should.

Hawk Directs Defense With Steady Hand
By Mike Spofford
Posted Nov 5, 2010

....

Hawk’s success with the signal calling has made for an interesting evolution to his season. It started with him not playing any defensive snaps from scrimmage in the opener at Philadelphia, as Capers went with his nickel package the entire game. That prompted some to wonder if Hawk was simply expendable and might be traded to acquire help at another position.

But since then, with Chillar in and out of the lineup with shoulder trouble and Barnett going down for the season, Hawk has not only become an every-down defender for the first time since 2008, but he’s leading the team in total (75) and solo (53) tackles and has tied his career high with two interceptions.
....

That seems like a long time ago, doesn't it. Hard to believe that he played no snaps in the first game.

But, its only a few months away from a tough decision for the Packers. What do they do with him and his salary for 2011?

It sure seems that giving Hawk more signal calling responsibility plays to his strengths as a "thinker" on the field. "Thinking" was always a knock on him but seems a perfect trait for this role. If the Defense continues to play well this year it will be a lot harder to argue against paying him.

It will also be hard to argue for Barnett getting his job back with the way Bishop is playing in this fit.

ND72
11-07-2010, 09:57 PM
I was talking about this with a buddy of mine, but it really seems like our defense has been better with Hawk & Bishop in the middle than Hawk & Barnett. I like Nick Barnett....and he's a GREAT Wisconsin citizen & a GREAT Packer person....but I really think Hawk & Bishop are our MLB's in this defense, and we grow with them.

Teddy comes in and offers Hawk a nice contract at the end of the year, but at a lower cost next year which he'll make for over the time of the contract.

steve823
11-07-2010, 10:13 PM
I was talking about this with a buddy of mine, but it really seems like our defense has been better with Hawk & Bishop in the middle than Hawk & Barnett. I like Nick Barnett....and he's a GREAT Wisconsin citizen & a GREAT Packer person....but I really think Hawk & Bishop are our MLB's in this defense, and we grow with them.

Teddy comes in and offers Hawk a nice contract at the end of the year, but at a lower cost next year which he'll make for over the time of the contract.

Bishop and Hawk take on blockers better and are a better duo IMO. Can we try Barnett at OLB opposite of MAtthews ? I doubt it, but if not then what are we going to do with Barnett? I mean I love the guy, but is it a possibility we trade him?

Fritz
11-08-2010, 05:39 PM
He doesn't seem strong enough to play outside...just my impression.

Okay, Packer fans...seriously, not fantasy-wise, what could Barnett bring in a trade?

A fourth? Maybe a third if you give back a fifth or something?

Whaddya think?

Brandon494
11-08-2010, 06:04 PM
He doesn't seem strong enough to play outside...just my impression.

Okay, Packer fans...seriously, not fantasy-wise, what could Barnett bring in a trade?

A fourth? Maybe a third if you give back a fifth or something?

Whaddya think?

5th rounder at best

Guiness
11-08-2010, 06:23 PM
He doesn't seem strong enough to play outside...just my impression.

Okay, Packer fans...seriously, not fantasy-wise, what could Barnett bring in a trade?

A fourth? Maybe a third if you give back a fifth or something?

Whaddya think?

5th rounder at best

Really? Damn, eh. Just seems the value for traded players is so low. Can you guarantee that a 4th or 5th rounder will get you a starter? No, but you can guarantee that trading for Barnett will.

I understand why FA's often don't pan out, but not why obtaining a player in a trade like this one (where he's a proven starter, but been bumped down the depth chart) is not more common.

get louder at lambeau
11-09-2010, 11:40 AM
Don't you think we can safely say at least that he won't be bringing home that ten mill next year?

Actually I think the opposite is true. One way or another, I think AJ brings home $10 mil next year because if the Packers choose no to pay him, he will be a free agent.

A healthy free agent linebacker in his prime like Hawk would probably get over $10 mil in first year pay on a long term contract. Karlos Dansby just got almost $21 mil in first year money at 29 years old. Hawk is 26, and has been making some plays and leading the defense well with the playcalling helmet this year. He has some real value on the open market, and some real leverage with that $10 mil dummy year coming up.

Patler
11-09-2010, 11:58 AM
The Packers paid KGB over $6 million in salary in 2008 when the cap was $116 million and they knew he wouldn't start but hoped he might be a pass rusher. He hadn't been much for a couple years already by then. A few weeks into the season, they released him and ate the salary.

Paying Hawk $10 million as a starter in 2011 when some estimate the cap, if there is one, could be $150 million might not be that far fetched.

Cheesehead Craig
11-09-2010, 11:59 AM
I was talking about this with a buddy of mine, but it really seems like our defense has been better with Hawk & Bishop in the middle than Hawk & Barnett. I like Nick Barnett....and he's a GREAT Wisconsin citizen & a GREAT Packer person....but I really think Hawk & Bishop are our MLB's in this defense, and we grow with them.

Teddy comes in and offers Hawk a nice contract at the end of the year, but at a lower cost next year which he'll make for over the time of the contract.
I agree. Hawk's more than proven his value to this team and while that 10M amount will get redone, he's not going anywhere.

Barnett may be the odd man out given how Hawk and Bishop have played. I think he could fetch a 4th rounder at least.

3irty1
11-09-2010, 03:23 PM
Another crappy situation a la Kampman. If Barnett weren't hurt he could be traded for something good. Instead he'll probably walk and become a Viking like everyone else.

Patler
11-09-2010, 03:35 PM
Another crappy situation a la Kampman. If Barnett weren't hurt he could be traded for something good. Instead he'll probably walk and become a Viking like everyone else.

The Packers couldn't trade Kampman because his contract expired. There was nothing to trade. It had nothing to do with his injury. Kampman walked because he wasn't under contract and didn't want to stay.

Barnett's contract runs through 2012. He isn't walking anywhere until 2013 if the Packers don't want him too. But, the Packers can trade him if they chose to.

I don't think Barnett's wrist injury will scare off any potential trade partners. Not like a knee injury might.

MadScientist
11-09-2010, 04:13 PM
Another crappy situation a la Kampman. If Barnett weren't hurt he could be traded for something good. Instead he'll probably walk and become a Viking like everyone else.

The Packers couldn't trade Kampman because his contract expired. There was nothing to trade. It had nothing to do with his injury. Kampman walked because he wasn't under contract and didn't want to stay.
If Kampman wasn't injured, the Packers could have Franchised him to allow them to make a trade. Given the injury, they really could not have done that.

Barnett can stay and the Packers can pay him, the real question is Bishop, who is playing surprisingly well. I think he is a FA this year (possibly an RFA depending what happens with the union).

Lurker64
11-09-2010, 04:22 PM
If Kampman wasn't injured, the Packers could have Franchised him to allow them to make a trade. Given the injury, they really could not have done that.

However, they already used their Franchise tag in the offseason, to ensure that they retained Ryan Pickett. If you were Thompson, would you really have used the Franchise tag in hopes of trading Kampman for something better than the compensatory 3rd or 4th you'll get in the 2011 draft if he walks in free agency if it involved risking losing Ryan Pickett?

Certainly, Pickett eventually signed a longer term extension with the team, but without the leverage of the franchise tag he might not have done so.

steve823
11-09-2010, 04:29 PM
Another crappy situation a la Kampman. If Barnett weren't hurt he could be traded for something good. Instead he'll probably walk and become a Viking like everyone else.

The Packers couldn't trade Kampman because his contract expired. There was nothing to trade. It had nothing to do with his injury. Kampman walked because he wasn't under contract and didn't want to stay.

Barnett's contract runs through 2012. He isn't walking anywhere until 2013 if the Packers don't want him too. But, the Packers can trade him if they chose to.

I don't think Barnett's wrist injury will scare off any potential trade partners. Not like a knee injury might.

Agreed. I mean putting all homerism and biased aside, Barnett is undersized for an ILB in our 3-4 and doesn't take on blocks too well. Bishop and Hawk have been playing better as a duo IMO. I would love to see Barnett traded for an OLB ,but I highly doubt that will happen.

3irty1
11-09-2010, 04:40 PM
Another crappy situation a la Kampman. If Barnett weren't hurt he could be traded for something good. Instead he'll probably walk and become a Viking like everyone else.

The Packers couldn't trade Kampman because his contract expired. There was nothing to trade. It had nothing to do with his injury. Kampman walked because he wasn't under contract and didn't want to stay.
If Kampman wasn't injured, the Packers could have Franchised him to allow them to make a trade. Given the injury, they really could not have done that.

Barnett can stay and the Packers can pay him, the real question is Bishop, who is playing surprisingly well. I think he is a FA this year (possibly an RFA depending what happens with the union).

This.

pbmax
11-09-2010, 05:01 PM
Another crappy situation a la Kampman. If Barnett weren't hurt he could be traded for something good. Instead he'll probably walk and become a Viking like everyone else.

The Packers couldn't trade Kampman because his contract expired. There was nothing to trade. It had nothing to do with his injury. Kampman walked because he wasn't under contract and didn't want to stay.
If Kampman wasn't injured, the Packers could have Franchised him to allow them to make a trade. Given the injury, they really could not have done that.

Barnett can stay and the Packers can pay him, the real question is Bishop, who is playing surprisingly well. I think he is a FA this year (possibly an RFA depending what happens with the union).

This.
Except there is just one franchise tag per team and Pickett got the Packers 2010 tag. As beloved as Kampman might have been, he was not more valuable to Capers defense than Pickett. Especially since the Packers knew in the offseason that Jolly was in serious jeopardy.

No chance Kampman would have gotten a franchise tag just for the purpose of trading him when they HAD to have Pickett back. You could argue transition tag, but most recent transition tags have allowed player to go with very little resistance or compensation. The poison pill possibility makes it easy to force the hand of the transition tag team.