Vince Young Finished In TN

[Scott Campbell]

Bud Adams chooses Jeff Fisher over Vince Young

Posted by Michael David Smith on January 5, 2011, 6:46 PM EST
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/budadams1.jpg?w=250Tennessee Titans owner Bud Adams has finally come to the realization that his coach, Jeff Fisher, and his quarterback, Vince Young, simply can’t coexist.
And in a surprisingly sensible decision, Adams has decided to go with Fisher.
Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean reports that Adams has made the decision that the team is moving on without Young (http://twitter.com/#%21/jwyattsports/status/22799728160804864), and he won’t be on the roster in 2011. Sources tell Wyatt the Titans plan to either release or trade Young. Considering that Young is due a $4.25 million roster bonus on March 10, a release seems a lot more likely than a trade.
Although the Titans haven’t officially announced that Fisher will be back to coach the Titans in 2011, all indications are that he will — and the Titans will be on the market for a new quarterback, one who can play for Fisher.
And Young will be looking for work.
UPDATE: The Titans released the following statement from Adams, which suggests that while Young is definitely out, Fisher isn’t necessarily returning:
“As you are aware, we have been engaged in a series of internal discussions over the last month about the future of our football team. We have two critical decisions to make – the direction of the coaching staff and the future at the quarterback position. They are separate issues to me and will be dealt with separately. Today, I informed our general manager Mike Reinfeldt to move forward with plans to begin the process of identifying the next quarterback for our franchise. He will inform Vince Young’s agent that Vince will not be on our roster next season. I want to offer my personal thanks to Vince for all of his positive contributions to the club. These kinds of decisions are never easy and this is especially true for this particular player. I certainly wish that things would have worked out better, but I think it is best for the franchise that we move on at this point. I also informed Jeff (Fisher) today that I was continuing the evaluation of the coaching staff and I am hoping to make a decision soon.”

[Fritz]

Bud Adams is one ugly mofo

[pbmax]

Man, its so disappointing to see a franchise make good decisions instead of settling for another year of disaster. Now Vince Young might learn a thing or two and play well for someone the Packers must face. Too bad the Titans will be without their game changer.

[Joemailman]

I'm guessing Jeff Fisher is no longer on Vince Young's Christmas card list.

[Scott Campbell]

Partial really thought he had "it". Not anymore I guess.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Partial thought Young had "it," but Rodgers didn't have "it."

[Lurker64]

Well, if we end up trading Flynn for a king's ransom this offseason, I wouldn't be completely opposed to bringing in Young as the backup. If he's ever going to get his head right and learn to play QB, it would probably be in a place like Green Bay and with a coach like McCarthy.

Wouldn't be happy about it though.

[packrulz]

TT considered drafting Young, if he slipped to #5, thank God he didn't, the guy's a coach killer headcase. Fisher is a damn good coach, Adams would be foolish to fire him.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Put me in the camp that both Young and Fisher are overrated. Fisher has been frankly poor and yet he's still revered.

Fisher facts:

* 6 playoff appearances in 17 years.

* 5 - 6 career playoff record.

* Has not won a playoff game in 7 years.

* Has not won more than 1 playoff game in a season in 12 years.

* Has 3 years out of 17 where he won a playoff game.

* Ten 3rd or 4th place division finishes in 17 years.

* Twice finished 13-3 and lost his first playoff game.

MM gets enough grief around here, imagine if he did this poorly.

[Guiness]

Mmm, maybe they'd give us Young and a 2nd for Flynn?

(I kid, I kid!)

[bobblehead]

Well, if we end up trading Flynn for a king's ransom this offseason, I wouldn't be completely opposed to bringing in Young as the backup. If he's ever going to get his head right and learn to play QB, it would probably be in a place like Green Bay and with a coach like McCarthy.

Wouldn't be happy about it though.

I'd be happy with this scenario. We aren't likely to get a QB with more potential and we wouldn't pay him too much I'm sure. If his head issues appear to big, you cut bait and move on. On the other hand if he gets a wakeup from being cut and decides to dedicate himself from the bench for a year or 2, he could come out of it a stud that we could then trade for a king's ransom.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Young is no match for our offensive system. If they trade Flynn, I'd rather they go a different direction for backup QB--whether that's a veteran or drafting two QBs again and hoping one sticks. :)

[Tony Oday]

Young is terrible...he may have "it" if "it" is herpes that is about it!

[woodbuck27]

Well, if we end up trading Flynn for a king's ransom this offseason, I wouldn't be completely opposed to bringing in Young as the backup. If he's ever going to get his head right and learn to play QB, it would probably be in a place like Green Bay and with a coach like McCarthy.

Wouldn't be happy about it though.

We may be facing Vince Young two times per season? Vince Young has the talent and will want to start. OUR backup looks decent and has put in his time.

The Vikings are a good destination for Vince Young and his agent to consider. I see Minny rebuilding fr. a standpoint of 'youth' first after this past disasterous season. Vince Young fits that choice 'of plan'.

GO PACKERS !

[MichiganPackerFan]

Partial thought Young had "it," but Rodgers didn't have "it."

Only if "it" was a immediate need for an updated resume

[mraynrand]

no interest in Young here

[vince]

I think Graham Harrell may have the potential to be Matt Flynn II. I watched a few practices in camp and also the preseason, so obviously I don't have a lot to go on, but I liked what I saw from him. He doesn't have a strong arm (like Flynn), but he does have the gray matter (like Flynn), is more elusive than Flynn, and has the command to run the West Coast offense (like Flynn). I think he's a competitor and has the intangibles that McCarthy could work with.

[Jimx29]

perhaps the queens get him and find one more way to eff up an entire season??

[Brandon494]

Young is terrible...he may have "it" if "it" is herpes that is about it!

Lets see a 30-17 record as a starter, after starting 0-6 last season with Kerry Collins the team finished 8-2 with VY, and had 98.6 QB rating this season. Try doing some research before trying to bash a player. Hes not the smartest player but if you watched this guy play then you would know he has "it", and Im not talking about the "it" that you have on your upper lip.

[Brandon494]

Well, if we end up trading Flynn for a king's ransom this offseason, I wouldn't be completely opposed to bringing in Young as the backup. If he's ever going to get his head right and learn to play QB, it would probably be in a place like Green Bay and with a coach like McCarthy.

Wouldn't be happy about it though.

Do you even watch the NFL? VY isnt going to be a backup anywhere. With teams like the Niners, Cardinals, Vikings, and so on hes not going to sign with us to be a backup.

[Scott Campbell]

He'll probably get another chance to start somewhere - because he did tease at times in TN. But it's really hard to put your fate in the hands of somebody with a history of being that unstable.

[Brandon494]

I think Graham Harrell may have the potential to be Matt Flynn II. I watched a few practices in camp and also the preseason, so obviously I don't have a lot to go on, but I liked what I saw from him. He doesn't have a strong arm (like Flynn), but he does have the gray matter (like Flynn), is more elusive than Flynn, and has the command to run the West Coast offense (like Flynn). I think he's a competitor and has the intangibles that McCarthy could work with.

Graham Harrell is nothing more than another Colt Bennan.

[bobblehead]

Lets see a 30-17 record as a starter, after starting 0-6 last season with Kerry Collins the team finished 8-2 with VY, and had 98.6 QB rating this season. Try doing some research before trying to bash a player. Hes not the smartest player but if you watched this guy play then you would know he has "it", and Im not talking about the "it" that you have on your upper lip.

completely agree. I think MM would be the perfect coach for him, and mind you I am advocating him spending a year on the bench and in the offseason QB camp MM runs. Teach him the part of the game he is missing, which is recognizing a defense and knowing where to go with the ball instead of relying on god given ability and nothing else. He has done all that with very little in the area of working knowledge of HOW to play QB. I like his chances if he TRULY wants to learn how to play the position.

[Tony Oday]

Lets see a 30-17 record as a starter, after starting 0-6 last season with Kerry Collins the team finished 8-2 with VY, and had 98.6 QB rating this season. Try doing some research before trying to bash a player. Hes not the smartest player but if you watched this guy play then you would know he has "it", and Im not talking about the "it" that you have on your upper lip.

Career Stats
Career Stats Passing Rushing Sacked Fumbles
Season Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Sack YdsL Fum FumL
2006-07 Tennessee 15 66.7 184 357 51.5 2199 146.6 6.2 12 13 83 552 36.8 6.7 7 25 129 11 3
2007-08 Tennessee 15 71.1 238 382 62.3 2546 169.7 6.7 9 17 93 395 26.3 4.2 3 25 157 9 3
2008-09 Tennessee 3 64.5 22 36 61.1 219 73.0 6.1 1 2 8 27 9.0 3.4 0 3 13 2 0
2009-10 Tennessee 12 82.8 152 259 58.7 1879 156.6 7.3 10 7 55 281 23.4 5.1 2 9 36 8 2
2010-11 Tennessee 9 98.6 93 156 59.6 1255 139.4 8.0 10 3 25 125 13.9 5.0 0 13 80 6 4
Career 54 75.7 689 1190 57.9 8098 150.0 6.8 42 42 264 1380 25.6 5.2 12 75 415 36 12


These are the stats of a guy who has had a great defense and running game. He has more turnovers than TDs and two mental breakdowns...he does not have it.

[retailguy]

Lets see a 30-17 record as a starter, after starting 0-6 last season with Kerry Collins the team finished 8-2 with VY, and had 98.6 QB rating this season. Try doing some research before trying to bash a player. Hes not the smartest player but if you watched this guy play then you would know he has "it", and Im not talking about the "it" that you have on your upper lip.

With very few exceptions, I believe that every single drafted players and a bunch that go undrafted have "it", if "it" is talent. However, "it" in this context, as it relates to our dearly departed friend partial, was an undefinable, intangible quality that led to success in an NFL career.

A significant number of NFL players apparently do not possess "it" since most are out of the league in less than 5 years.

What VY is today, from my vantage point anyhow, is a very talented, massive head case. I don't believe it's likely that VY has the maturity to "fix" what ails him, and we are better off passing and investing in guys like Matt Flynn or Graham Harrell.

[Pugger]

With very few exceptions, I believe that every single drafted players and a bunch that go undrafted have "it", if "it" is talent. However, "it" in this context, as it relates to our dearly departed friend partial, was an undefinable, intangible quality that led to success in an NFL career.

A significant number of NFL players apparently do not possess "it" since most are out of the league in less than 5 years.

What VY is today, from my vantage point anyhow, is a very talented, massive head case. I don't believe it's likely that VY has the maturity to "fix" what ails him, and we are better off passing and investing in guys like Matt Flynn or Graham Harrell.

+1

[pbmax]

Career Stats
Passing
Season Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int
2006-07 Tennessee 15 66.7 184 357 51.5 2199 146.6 6.2 12 13
2007-08 Tennessee 15 71.1 238 382 62.3 2546 169.7 6.7 9 17
2008-09 Tennessee 3 64.5 22 36 61.1 219 73.0 6.1 1 2
2009-10 Tennessee 12 82.8 152 259 58.7 1879 156.6 7.3 10 7
2010-11 Tennessee 9 98.6 93 156 59.6 1255 139.4 8.0 10 3
Career 54 75.7 689 1190 57.9 8098 150.0 6.8 42 42

Rushing Sacked Fumbles
Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Sack YdsL Fum FumL
83 552 36.8 6.7 7 25 129 11 3
93 395 26.3 4.2 3 25 157 9 3
8 27 9.0 3.4 0 3 13 2 0
55 281 23.4 5.1 2 9 36 8 2
25 125 13.9 5.0 0 13 80 6 4
264 1380 25.6 5.2 12 75 415 36 12




These are the stats of a guy who has had a great defense and running game. He has more turnovers than TDs and two mental breakdowns...he does not have it.

Better?

[Brando19]

Career Stats
Career Stats Passing Rushing Sacked Fumbles
Season Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Sack YdsL Fum FumL
2006-07 Tennessee 15 66.7 184 357 51.5 2199 146.6 6.2 12 13 83 552 36.8 6.7 7 25 129 11 3
2007-08 Tennessee 15 71.1 238 382 62.3 2546 169.7 6.7 9 17 93 395 26.3 4.2 3 25 157 9 3
2008-09 Tennessee 3 64.5 22 36 61.1 219 73.0 6.1 1 2 8 27 9.0 3.4 0 3 13 2 0
2009-10 Tennessee 12 82.8 152 259 58.7 1879 156.6 7.3 10 7 55 281 23.4 5.1 2 9 36 8 2
2010-11 Tennessee 9 98.6 93 156 59.6 1255 139.4 8.0 10 3 25 125 13.9 5.0 0 13 80 6 4
Career 54 75.7 689 1190 57.9 8098 150.0 6.8 42 42 264 1380 25.6 5.2 12 75 415 36 12


These are the stats of a guy who has had a great defense and running game. He has more turnovers than TDs and two mental breakdowns...he does not have it.

Agreed...this guy is an average/below average QB. One can only hope Minnesota is dumb enough to give up a draft pick to get Vince Young.

[woodbuck27]

Do you even watch the NFL? VY isnt going to be a backup anywhere. With teams like the Niners, Cardinals, Vikings, and so on hes not going to sign with us to be a backup.

Intersting comments and certainly IMO, accurate Packer 'and' ... NFL fan.

Why? When I read such logic in a post here. Does the word 'blinders' come to mind? This needs no response. Your knowledge is obvious... but you'll get blasted with stat's and attacks on Vince Young and anything negative ever printed about him.

These 'boys' love / have to be right. (-:

GO PACK GO !

[Pugger]

Vince Young has a ton of talent but all of his talent is below his shoulders.

[Tony Oday]

I have no doubt he will get another shot...damn I hope that the Vikings give it to him...he is not a QB that can take you all the way.

[Scott Campbell]

...... but you'll get blasted with stat's....




Stats? STATS?????

Oh my gawd no - please, not that.

The nerve of these people.

[Patler]

VY isnt going to be a backup anywhere. With teams like the Niners, Cardinals, Vikings, and so on hes not going to sign with us to be a backup.

...and yet, signing with a team that doesn't need him to play right away, one that has a coaching staff with proven ability at training QBs might be the best thing for his long term career opportunities. That's where his agent could come in and help. A one or two year deal at a place where he can reground himself could help immensely.

The next team to sign him to be their starter right now will likely have even less patience with him. They will expect results almost immediately.

It's different but similar to Michael Vick. He signed where they didn't need him to start. He worked back slowly and it paid off for him, and will with his next contract, wherever that may be.

[Tony Oday]

VY is getting eviscerated on KFAN...saying after talking to people around the NFL VY isnt wanted except maybe in Houston because no GM wants a player that doesnt want to play and doesnt care if he wins...bye bye

[woodbuck27]

Vince Young has a ton of talent but all of his talent is below his shoulders.

We have no pressing need for another QB. I am, watching Aaron Rodgers, and his problems with concussions. Things can change dramatically. I'm thinking Sterling Sharpe and Dorsey Levens and how rapidly his dominance declined.

I think to be an NFL GM or HC you have to be on the job and on the ball. 24/7 for 365 days a year. Always aware of who's available or possibly so. Now that Vince Young is available it's moot to us.

[woodbuck27]

Stats? STATS?????

Oh my gawd no - please, not that.

The nerve of these people.

Scott. Picture the back of my hand. Picture that with a single wave to you.

[Patler]

We have no pressing need for another QB. I am, watching Aaron Rodgers, and his problems with concussions. Things can change dramatically. I'm thinking Sterling Sharpe and Dorsey Levens and how rapidly his dominance declined.

I think to be an NFL GM or HC you have to be on the job and on the ball. 24/7 for 365 days a year. Always aware of who's available or possibly so. Now that Vince Young is available it's moot to us.

Haven't you contradicted yourself within each paragraph?

GB has no pressing need for a backup, but AR has had multiple concussions and a career can end in one play?
A GM always has to be looking to improve 24/7/365. But it is moot that VY is available?

I don't know if I agree or disagree with you, because it is unclear what point you are making. :-?

[MichiganPackerFan]

I'm not sure that we DON'T have a need for a backup. At some point, GB has to cash in the Matt Flynn chip if they don't expect him to be their long term starter (which I don't think anyone does) and start developing someone else young. Look at how many Favre backups were in the league for an extended period of time. Actually, i would LOVE to see that list!

[mraynrand]

http://www.campaugusta.org/Summer/Activities/Clinics/Yoga/Labyrinth/Labyrinth.png




Haven't you contradicted yourself within each paragraph?

GB has no pressing need for a backup, but AR has had multiple concussions and a career can end in one play?
A GM always has to be looking to improve 24/7/365. But it is moot that VY is available?

I don't know if I agree or disagree with you, because it is unclear what point you are making. :-?


We have no pressing need for another QB. I am, watching Aaron Rodgers, and his problems with concussions. Things can change dramatically. I'm thinking Sterling Sharpe and Dorsey Levens and how rapidly his dominance declined.

I think to be an NFL GM or HC you have to be on the job and on the ball. 24/7 for 365 days a year. Always aware of who's available or possibly so. Now that Vince Young is available it's moot to us.

[woodbuck27]

Haven't you contradicted yourself within each paragraph?

GB has no pressing need for a backup, but AR has had multiple concussions and a career can end in one play?
A GM always has to be looking to improve 24/7/365. But it is moot that VY is available?

I don't know if I agree or disagree with you, because it is unclear what point you are making. :-?

I didn't think I contradicted myself Patler.

OK I'll do it this way. It's important that you agree with me:

a) NEWS FLASH !! Vince Young is available.

b) As we are aware of that fact so should OUR Team's GM. TT should then assess V. Y's (rumored) availability in real terms as concerns The Green Bay Packers. Ie Does he feel or not that Vince Young and 'the Packers are a good fit and do the Packers need Vince Young.

c) My observation says: We don't 'at present' have a pressing need at the QB position with ARod and a capable backup in Matt Flynn and another developing 3rd string QB.

d) Now ... If ARod should suffer an unfortunate blow. Adding further concern (s) for his concussive issue.

Please refer to: The comment RE: Our past and experience as Packer fans and S. Sharpe and D. Levens and their loss (S. Sharpe) or quick decline (D. Levens)

e) ** Unless something as unfortunate as that (d) should happen.

f) ** The fact that Vince Young is available 'is moot to us'.

So......

g) Vince Young will not land in Green Bay as conditions now exist.

That's my analysis Patler. Savvy?

GO PACK GO!

[Patler]

I didn't think I contradicted myself Patler.

OK I'll do it this way. It's important that you agree with me:

a) NEWS FLASH !! Vince Young is available.

b) As we are aware of that fact so should OUR Team's GM. TT should then assess V. Y's (rumored) availability in real terms as concerns The Green Bay Packers. Ie Does he feel or not that Vince Young and 'the Packers are a good fit and do the Packers need Vince Young.

c) My observation says: We don't 'at present' have a pressing need at the QB position with ARod and a capable backup in Matt Flynn and another developing 3rd string QB.

d) Now ... If ARod should suffer an unfortunate blow. Adding further concern (s) for his concussive issue.

Please refer to: The comment RE: Our past and experience as Packer fans and S. Sharpe and D. Levens and their loss (S. Sharpe) or quick decline (D. Levens)

e) ** Unless something as unfortunate as that (d) should happen.

f) ** The fact that Vince Young is available 'is moot to us'.

So......

g) Vince Young will not land in Green Bay as conditions now exist.

That's my analysis Patler. Savvy?

GO PACK GO!


Flynn's contract expires after 2011 (I think).
At that point the Packers have nothing to trade (subject to tags or RFA rules).
To get value for Flynn, they will need to trade him before or during the 2011 season.
Which means before or during the 2011 season they will need a backup other than Flynn.

Of course, if RFA rules under a new CBA might hold Flynn to GB for 2012, the Packers can delay a trade for another year.

[woodbuck27]

Flynn's contract expires after 2011 (I think).
At that point the Packers have nothing to trade (subject to tags or RFA rules).
To get value for Flynn, they will need to trade him before or during the 2011 season.
Which means before or during the 2011 season they will need a backup other than Flynn.

Of course, if RFA rules under a new CBA might hold Flynn to GB for 2012, the Packers can delay a trade for another year.

TT is aware of all this 'of course'. What may happen (Re: Vince Young and certain availability) if next game Aaron Rodgers gets his bell really rung. Might TT pay some real attention to possibly signing Vince Young?

or Is it all moot?

As I stated in another post. It's my opinion that Vince Young will seek out a team that will allow him to start. For some in here to judge that he's not worthy of such consideration. Again makes Vince Young's possible availability moot, as long as TT agrees with those posters.

[Tony Oday]

Vince Young will be signed by TT even if AR decided to retire after this year. He is a cancer in the locker room, a non winner, bad QB and a head case.

[Lurker64]

It's my opinion that Vince Young will seek out a team that will allow him to start. For some in here to judge that he's not worthy of such consideration. Again makes Vince Young's possible availability moot, as long as TT agrees with those posters.

Well, it goes without question that he'll seek out such an opportunity. The question is whether that opportunity will present itself. It's no secret that Vince Young didn't get along at all with one of the most respected coaches in the league and never won the locker room in Tennessee... so the question is how many people are going to be even willing to give him the chance? He's at his best when things are going well, and no team that has things going well has a dire need for a starting quarterback.

[woodbuck27]

Well, it goes without question that he'll seek out such an opportunity. The question is whether that opportunity will present itself. It's no secret that Vince Young didn't get along at all with one of the most respected coaches in the league and never won the locker room in Tennessee... so the question is how many people are going to be even willing to give him the chance? He's at his best when things are going well, and no team that has things going well has a dire need for a starting quarterback.

or . . . can Vice Young be judged as 'only' doing well, when the outcome of games he's quarterbacking are going well?

Holy mackeral. (-: X 100

[Lurker64]

or . . . can Vice Young be judged as 'only' doing well, when the outcome of games he's quarterbacking are going well?

Holy mackeral. (-: X 100

It's more that "when things are going poorly, Vince Young makes sure they go really, really poorly."

[mraynrand]

http://www.thelovesongs.com/scandia/08_windshield.jpg

[swede]

Hmmm. A "Welcome to Kentucky" derby?

The last thing to go through a bug's mind when it hits the windshield is its rectum?

In the category of things that should be clear but aren't?

[woodbuck27]

http://www.thelovesongs.com/scandia/08_windshield.jpg

Who's driving?

[woodbuck27]

It's more that "when things are going poorly, Vince Young makes sure they go really, really poorly."

So he's not really efficient under stressful situations. I'm trying to re-call how he did in 'the Wonderlik test'? Maybe that should have shown up there?

[Lurker64]

So he's not really efficient under stressful situations. I'm trying to re-call how he did in 'the Wonderlik test'? Maybe that should have shown up there?

His initial score was a single digit (I think it was like a 9?) and is responsible for the fact that the NFL guards wonderlic scores tighter now than they ever used to.

[mraynrand]

So he's not really efficient under stressful situations. I'm trying to re-call how he did in 'the Wonderlik test'? Maybe that should have shown up there?

The windshield reminds me of your posts, Woody. There's something there to look at, but it's hard to see. Now look and see I'll get another warning from Joe for insulting a fellow poster...

http://www.firstgenmc.com/museum/aceventura.jpg

[bobblehead]

Career Stats
Career Stats Passing Rushing Sacked Fumbles
Season Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Sack YdsL Fum FumL
2006-07 Tennessee 15 66.7 184 357 51.5 2199 146.6 6.2 12 13 83 552 36.8 6.7 7 25 129 11 3
2007-08 Tennessee 15 71.1 238 382 62.3 2546 169.7 6.7 9 17 93 395 26.3 4.2 3 25 157 9 3
2008-09 Tennessee 3 64.5 22 36 61.1 219 73.0 6.1 1 2 8 27 9.0 3.4 0 3 13 2 0
2009-10 Tennessee 12 82.8 152 259 58.7 1879 156.6 7.3 10 7 55 281 23.4 5.1 2 9 36 8 2
2010-11 Tennessee 9 98.6 93 156 59.6 1255 139.4 8.0 10 3 25 125 13.9 5.0 0 13 80 6 4
Career 54 75.7 689 1190 57.9 8098 150.0 6.8 42 42 264 1380 25.6 5.2 12 75 415 36 12


These are the stats of a guy who has had a great defense and running game. He has more turnovers than TDs and two mental breakdowns...he does not have it.

Anyone besides me see an ever improving TD to TO ratio? Or do we not allow for a guy improving?

[woodbuck27]

The windshield reminds me of your posts, Woody. There's something there to look at, but it's hard to see. Now look and see I'll get another warning from Joe for insulting a fellow poster...

http://www.firstgenmc.com/museum/aceventura.jpg

You don't insult me mraynrand. That's just your style of posting. If I could find the edit function on a post, I would edit a few errors I now see. Is there a time clock on the edit function?

Mike Sherman's Texas A & M Team is playing LSU on the tube right now. Texas is playing very well.

[Fritz]

The Great Swami Fritz sees Vince Young landing in Oakland with Mr. Al Davis.

[woodbuck27]

Flynn's contract expires after 2011 (I think).
At that point the Packers have nothing to trade (subject to tags or RFA rules).
To get value for Flynn, they will need to trade him before or during the 2011 season.
Which means before or during the 2011 season they will need a backup other than Flynn.

Of course, if RFA rules under a new CBA might hold Flynn to GB for 2012, the Packers can delay a trade for another year.

I'm seeing your point here Patler. So it comes down to the question of whether or not Vince Young insists on wanting to start and because Matt Flynn most likely isn't willing to fulfill a prolonged role as AR's backup and will be traded to give TT some value for the team. With that scenario, the door may open to discuss a future in Green Bay for Vince Young.

Alot of you don't want Vince Young in 'the Green and Gold' for whatever reason. Set that aside please. I'm indifferent on that possibility. I'm only discussing the possibilities RE: him and 'the Packers' in light of present conditions and what may seem to be upcoming in OUR QB position.

GO PACK GO!

[mraynrand]

I'm seeing your point here Patler. So it comes down to the question of whether or not Vince Young insists on wanting to start and because Matt Flynn most likely isn't willing to fulfill a prolonged role as AR's backup and will be traded to give TT some value for the team. With that scenario, the door may open to discuss a future in Green Bay for Vince Young.

Alot of you don't want Vince Young in 'the Green and Gold' for whatever reason. Set that aside please. I'm indifferent on that possibility. I'm only discussing the possibilities RE: him and 'the Packers' in light of present conditions and what may seem to be upcoming in OUR QB position.

GO PACK GO!


It just seems to me that he's a bad fit for the Packer offense and there are other teams where he could step in right away and generate excitement. BUT, as you hinted before, Rodger's situation could change in an instant - it seems more tenuous now because of the specter of the concussions. But I can't see VY stepping in. DON'T TRADE FLYNN!

[woodbuck27]

You don't insult me mraynrand. That's just your style of posting. If I could find the edit function on a post, I would edit a few errors I now see. Is there a time clock on the edit function?

Note: Mike Sherman's Texas A & M Team is playing LSU on the tube right now. Texas is playing very well.

Well the Mike Sherman Texas A&M team had won six straight games but tonight LSU is taking them downtown.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I'm seeing your point here Patler. So it comes down to the question of whether or not Vince Young insists on wanting to start and because Matt Flynn most likely isn't willing to fulfill a prolonged role as AR's backup and will be traded to give TT some value for the team. With that scenario, the door may open to discuss a future in Green Bay for Vince Young.

Alot of you don't want Vince Young in 'the Green and Gold' for whatever reason. Set that aside please. I'm indifferent on that possibility. I'm only discussing the possibilities RE: him and 'the Packers' in light of present conditions and what may seem to be upcoming in OUR QB position.

GO PACK GO!
Wait, those of us who don't want Young here are not allowed to discuss that viewpoint but you can discuss him being here?

Holy double standard Batman!

[Brandon494]

...and yet, signing with a team that doesn't need him to play right away, one that has a coaching staff with proven ability at training QBs might be the best thing for his long term career opportunities. That's where his agent could come in and help. A one or two year deal at a place where he can reground himself could help immensely.

The next team to sign him to be their starter right now will likely have even less patience with him. They will expect results almost immediately.

It's different but similar to Michael Vick. He signed where they didn't need him to start. He worked back slowly and it paid off for him, and will with his next contract, wherever that may be.

Its no where near Michael Vick. Vick was out of the game for 2 seasons, thats why he had to go to a team to backup. VY may not put up great stats or look like the typical QB but hes a winner. Hes also very immature and while I do think the Titans made the right decision to go with Fisher over VY I still believe Young is a starter in this league.

[Patler]

Its no where near Michael Vick. Vick was out of the game for 2 seasons, thats why he had to go to a team to backup. VY may not put up great stats or look like the typical QB but hes a winner. Hes also very immature and while I do think the Titans made the right decision to go with Fisher over VY I still believe Young is a starter in this league.

I think he can be a starter, he hasn't been acting like a starter for the last two seasons. Being a starting QB in the NFL requires a lot more than just playing in the games (which at times he seemed disinterested in anyway). I think for his long term career, it would be best to "start over" and go somewhere that he can sit, watch, learn and most importantly, mature for a year or two. Let the emotional baggage carried by fans and himself diminish (as it did for Vick), then look to be a starter somewhere.

My opinion, and an opinion only, is that if he goes somewhere to start immediately, it will play out again the same as it did in Tennessee.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I think he can be a starter, he hasn't been acting like a starter for the last two seasons. Being a starting QB in the NFL requires a lot more than just playing in the games (which at times he seemed disinterested in anyway). I think for his long term career, it would be best to "start over" and go somewhere that he can sit, watch, learn and most importantly, mature for a year or two. Let the emotional baggage carried by fans and himself diminish (as it did for Vick), then look to be a starter somewhere.

My opinion, and an opinion only, is that if he goes somewhere to start immediately, it will play out again the same as it did in Tennessee.

I agree. I think he needs a break from the expectations and to get his head on straight(er). It doesn't sound like he wants to do that though so I highly doubt he'll take a backup role anywhere.