Lockout what ifs

[MJZiggy]

So this article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/05/AR2011030504057.html?hpid=moreheadlines&sid=ST2011030600100) in the Post suggests that if an NFL work stoppage lasts until fall, hockey or NASCAR could pick up a lot of viewers. Now, a woman a few days ago, commented that fans could do without the NFL, but the NFL could NOT do without fans--they need us more than we need them. If this impasse lasts into next season what will you do in place of football? I may watch more college ball, soccer, or do crazy stuff like do stuff with the kid.

[HowardRoark]

I will do things around the house: unclog a toilet, re-hang a picture, delouse my family.

[Joemailman]

I will finally write the great American novel.

[mraynrand]

I will do things around the house: unclog a toilet, re-hang a picture, delouse my family. :lol:

Your family will thank you

[Patler]

I'll set around wondering what the heck it was that I did every fall, since I never seemed to have the time in past years to get the things done that I will be doing.

[Lurker64]

I will watch replays of college football games that I wasn't watching, because I was watching other college football games at the same time.

[Patler]

Seriously, if I get away from it. I will not come back with the same commitment I have now. The NHL lost a lot of my attention when they missed a season. The same will happen with the NFL for me. I have a lot of interests, and anyone of them can easily replace the others.

[Scott Campbell]

I gave up baseball in 95. But I'm not giving up football. I'll be back when they are. The NFL isn't tragically flawed like MLB.

[pbmax]

Hitting F5 on SI.com or profootballtalk.com.

Interspersed with ranting incoherently right here.

[easy cheesy]

I gave up baseball in 95. But I'm not giving up football. I'll be back when they are. The NFL isn't tragically flawed like MLB.

I gave up the Mariners a long time ago... maybe for Lent... but 1995 was a good year... RIP Dave Niehaus... we can never, EVER replace you... that being said... GO YANKEES!!!!

http://1995mariners.com/

God I miss Dave Niehaus..... and we're not even in full swing.. God Bless and God Speed... you WERE the voice of the Mariners.... GRAND SALAMI!!!

MY OH MY!!! God we love you Dave!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvNQWQSwmow

[easy cheesy]

I'm in tears... how do we go on without Niehaus? I'm not a huge Mariner fan.. but losing Dave is like losing a family member... so sad... our whole town mourned... all of the millions of us....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTXjaMegR_I

Sorry, I guess this would be considered "off topic"... sorry.... baseball season is upon us and I just can not imagine it without Dave....

[MJZiggy]

Eh. It's quite possible that without football, I may become more of a baseball fan. Or soccer. I can actually afford to go to a soccer game. My condolences, by the way.

[easy cheesy]

Eh. It's quite possible that without football, I may become more of a baseball fan. Or soccer. I can actually afford to go to a soccer game. My condolences, by the way.

Thanks Zig! It's a huge empty shadow/void cast upon our town. ( and thanks for bringing things back around to topic... my apologies for the derailment... sore spot..)

[channtheman]

I'd like to think that I would return back to football, but I might just say screw it. I already follow College Football and College Basketball. That easily fills the fall/winter/spring void by itself.

[Guiness]

I don't know what I will do.

I was a 'cafeteria' MLB fan in the early 90's. Toronto was getting better and better, (Alomar and Joe Carter!) and I watched some games on TV, attended one or two games. I haven't watched a game in its entirety, on TV or in person since the strike. What I found out when it went away was that it wasn't that important to me, and I didn't miss it when it was gone...so never went back.

Now, I'm a much bigger football fan than I ever was baseball, so I can't say that will happen for sure, but...

[HarveyWallbangers]

No matter what happened, I could never see giving up the Packers. As much as I like other sports, the passion just isn't the same as it is with the Packers.

[BobDobbs]

I may finally find the time to lose my virginity.

[pbmax]

Hitting F5 on SI.com or profootballtalk.com.

Interspersed with ranting incoherently right here.

Put another way: not much will change.

[mmmdk]

Seriously, if I get away from it. I will not come back with the same commitment I have now. The NHL lost a lot of my attention when they missed a season. The same will happen with the NFL for me. I have a lot of interests, and anyone of them can easily replace the others.

I can follow this most of the way; I also have numerous other interests that would consume the NFL upon its return but I'd always follow the Packers 100% - it will be the rest of the NFL games that will suffer. All for the better.

Packers 2010-11 Super Bowl Champs

:pack:

[channtheman]

No matter what happened, I could never see giving up the Packers. As much as I like other sports, the passion just isn't the same as it is with the Packers.

I tend to agree with this. When the Badgers lost the Rose Bowl, as big a fan of them as I am, it doesn't hurt or sting quite like when the Packers lose just a regular season game.

[Fritz]

Watch more porn.

[Guiness]

Watch more porn.

And you would do that how? That would imply there is a period of time when you are not viewing it. I guess you could get naked goats tattooed on the back of your eyelids so you see them subliminally when you blink...:eyes:

[Old School]

I thought this comment made by a poster on PFT made a lot of sense.

angrycorgi says:
Mar 7, 2011 9:56 AM
The players are like some stupid little country that has one suitcase nuke and no value except oil exports…98% of these people couldn’t cut it in the real world and they think that one little thing they do is what the world spins on. Talk about rampant arrogance…let’s take the real world as an example and put a trade embargo on them (lock them out) and then nix the NFL so that there are individual teams. Treat NFL rules like an ISO certification guideline. Companies do this everyday in real life. Just because a group of companies operate to a set minimum quality level doesn’t mean they are a trust or present a monopoly.

[swede]

I thought this comment made by a poster on PFT made a lot of sense.

angrycorgi says:
Mar 7, 2011 9:56 AM
The players are like some stupid little country that has one suitcase nuke and no value except oil exports…98% of these people couldn’t cut it in the real world and they think that one little thing they do is what the world spins on. Talk about rampant arrogance…let’s take the real world as an example and put a trade embargo on them (lock them out) and then nix the NFL so that there are individual teams. Treat NFL rules like an ISO certification guideline. Companies do this everyday in real life. Just because a group of companies operate to a set minimum quality level doesn’t mean they are a trust or present a monopoly.

I'm not sure I agree with any of that but it did make me think.

If the league cannot agree, between teams and players, to run themselves unlike typical businesses, then all is lost.

NFL football is an amalgamation of entertainment and violence, not so far removed from the Roman coliseum.

The owners have to realize that the players are selling their long-term health and well-being, not just a few years time.

The players have to realize that they have more of a need to keep the league healthy than the owners do. I don't blame them for balking at the damned 18 game rule. 18 weeks---fine.

[mraynrand]

I may finally find the time to lose my virginity.

You know that's not completely up to you, right? You have to get the consent of the lamb first.:shock::lol:

[Fritz]

I thought this comment made by a poster on PFT made a lot of sense.

angrycorgi says:
Mar 7, 2011 9:56 AM
The players are like some stupid little country that has one suitcase nuke and no value except oil exports…98% of these people couldn’t cut it in the real world and they think that one little thing they do is what the world spins on. Talk about rampant arrogance…let’s take the real world as an example and put a trade embargo on them (lock them out) and then nix the NFL so that there are individual teams. Treat NFL rules like an ISO certification guideline. Companies do this everyday in real life. Just because a group of companies operate to a set minimum quality level doesn’t mean they are a trust or present a monopoly.

Do ISo certifications include agreements on limiting each company's spending on labor costs?

[pbmax]

I thought this comment made by a poster on PFT made a lot of sense.

angrycorgi says:
Mar 7, 2011 9:56 AM
The players are like some stupid little country that has one suitcase nuke and no value except oil exports…98% of these people couldn’t cut it in the real world and they think that one little thing they do is what the world spins on. Talk about rampant arrogance…let’s take the real world as an example and put a trade embargo on them (lock them out) and then nix the NFL so that there are individual teams. Treat NFL rules like an ISO certification guideline. Companies do this everyday in real life. Just because a group of companies operate to a set minimum quality level doesn’t mean they are a trust or present a monopoly.

Except the NFL doesn't simply operate to a set standard of quality. If it did, the Bengals would be in the AFL2. It has exclusive business zones. Except in rare and codified instances, it doesn't compete for employees. It shares revenue and arranges sponsorships collectively. It controls where franchises can be located. They do not not schedule games outside of the current league. And they have prevented other professional teams from using stadiums they control, despite the additional revenue that could be earned.

And of course the years of court precedent and Federal Laws on the books. So sure, angrycorgi, there are no trust or monopoly issues with the NFL. I mean why should we take the word of justices, lawmakers and lawyers when we have posters at PFT to guide us with know-nothingness?

Perhaps they should re-read this: http://amlawdaily.typepad.com/amlawdaily/2009/11/a-trip-down-sports-litigation-memory-lane.html

A symbolic victory, as the $1 judgement certainly mitigated nothing claimed by the USFL, but a real live case finding as fact that the NFL acted as a monopoly. There was also the small matter of $6 million in legal fees paid by the NFL to the USFL.

And there is the presence of a couple of the crucial features that enable such a monopoly to continue to operate, tacit Congressional approval (sometimes even if its absence of action) and a Collective Bargaining Agreement. Perhaps the PFT poster might also wish to refresh their memory about how Reggie White got to the Packers from the Eagles.

http://mn.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19930820_0000073.DMN.htm/qx

[Little Whiskey]

without NFL football next year, more animals will die in the woods. so players and owners get this thing done for bambi!