Official Free Agency Thread

[Joemailman]

Thought I would start this so we don't end up with about 50 threads on free agency.

Panthers are signing Charles Johnson to a 6 -year, 76 million dollar deal with 32 million guaranteed.

Redskins have agreed on compensation to sent McNabb to Minnesota. However, McNabb has to agree to rework his contract first.

Roy Williams finished in Dallas.

Redskins re-sign Santana Moss to 3-year, 15 million dollar contract.

[Brandon494]

Damn, I don't like McNabb going to the Vikings.

[packers11]

Damn, I don't like McNabb going to the Vikings.

maybe 3 years ago... if you watched any of him the passed 2 years... his play has really FALLEN OFF

[vince]

Thought I would start this so we don't end up with about 50 threads on free agency.
Thank you.

I heard James Jones was going to the Bears.

[red]

marion barber is also done in big D

seachickens sign t-jack

the eagles have said they are letting all their free agents walk. stewart bradley, quinton mikell, jerome harrison, max jean gilles, Dimitri Patterson, and Nick Cole

[Lurker64]

Thank you.

I heard James Jones was going to the Bears.

That was a joke rumor started on Twitter, with the link pointing to a Youtube video of "Never Gonna Give You Up" by Rick Astley. Jones isn't going to be gone in the first wave of FA.

[vince]

That was a joke rumor started on Twitter, with the link pointing to a Youtube video of "Never Gonna Give You Up" by Rick Astley. Jones isn't going to be gone in the first wave of FA.
Yeah, I was just ripping on whoever started the thread here.

[vince]

Rodgers is lobbying hard for TT to re-sign James Jones. I disagree with him, but you have to respect his loyalty to his guy.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/28833/rodgers-calls-james-jones-priority-no-1

Rodgers Calls Jones Priority No. 1
By Kevin Seifert

Many of us presumed the Green Bay Packers were prepared to let receiver James Jones move on via free agency. I, for one, have been among those who wondered if the Packers would commit market-level money to a pass-catcher when Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, Jordy Nelson and Jermichael Finley will all be on the roster in 2011.

Well, none of us asked Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

Appearing Tuesday on ESPN 540 in Milwaukee, Rodgers lobbied for Jones' return in the strongest terms imaginable.

"James is extremely talented and he's a guy that I think we need to bring back without a doubt," Rodgers said. "He should be priority No. 1 and I mean that with all my heart. He really should be priority No. 1. We don't win the Super Bowl without him and we need him."

Asked about Jones' well-documented drops last season, Rodgers said: "Physical mistakes can happen. Yeah, it's frustrating, but James made a ton of big plays for us [last] season and I think his best football is in front of him."

Whoa.

General manager Ted Thompson doesn't typically consult with players on such matters and Rodgers admitted his job isn't to make such decisions. But when the Super Bowl MVP speaks up forcefully on a personnel issue, it's worth listening to. If nothing else, we know Rodgers will be quite disappointed if Jones moves on.

There are a number of high quality receivers available, and the market has yet to develop. It's possible the Packers could wind up with Jones at a bargain price. We'll see.

[Lurker64]

Didn't we learn from the last guy not to let the QB play at GM?

[vince]

Didn't we learn from the last guy not to let the QB play at GM?
Something tells me Rodgers isn't going to retire over TT's decisions any time soon.

[Joemailman]

The comments do show Rodgers hasn't lost confidence in Jones, despite the drops. It should be remembered that Jones wasn't the only WR to have some drops last year, and he was 2nd on the team in receiving yards. I definitely could see TT bringing Jones back.

[Smidgeon]

Something tells me Rodgers isn't going to retire over TT's decisions any time soon.

Or really let it bother him that much if he doesn't get his way.

[Fritz]

I would think Mason Crosby would be priority Number One.

Aaron?

[vince]

Panthers are signing Charles Johnson to a 6 -year, 76 million dollar deal with 32 million guaranteed.
Wow. And Jenkins licks his chops.

[Fritz]

Anybody hear what the Queens are giving up for McNabb?

[Joemailman]

Rams sign S Quintin Mikell to 4 year 28 million dollar contract.

[Fritz]

The Rams will be in LA in three years if Minny doesn't beat them there first.

[vince]

Back to Rodgers on Jones. He supported his guy, but he also said very emphatically, "But I'm not the guy who makes those decisions." The article was dramatized a bit over the actual audio, which is here.

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=71&c=501&f=125641

[vince]

Ravens re-signed OG Marshall Yanda.

Niners re-signed QB Alex Smith.

[pbmax]

Damn, I don't like McNabb going to the Vikings.

I agree. It will be harder for the Packer DBs to intercept a ball that one hops to a receiver compared to Brett's passes traveling in the air.

[MJZiggy]

Damn, I don't like McNabb going to the Vikings.

Isn't he just a couple years younger than dirt (aka Favre)?

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Damn, I don't like McNabb going to the Vikings.

Lol. I welcome this with open arms. McNabb is done. Hell, when the Redskins realize that you know it's over.

You thinking the Vikings aging line will be able to keep the immobile McNabb upright? Will they put in Joe Webb when McNabb doesn't have the cardiovascular endurance to run a 2-minute drill?

[jmbarnes101]

I agree wholeheartedly that Jones needs to come back. I don't want to see Cobb as anything more than a #4 this year.

So should I keep McNabb at $2 on one of my fantasy teams?

[Joemailman]

Paul Posluszny headed from Buffalo to Jacksonville.

Looks like Barrett Ruud finished at Tampa Bay.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Paul Posluszny headed from Buffalo to Jacksonville.

Looks like Barrett Ruud finished at Tampa Bay.

Two solid LBs. Both would probably be ILBs in our scheme though, and may not even fit.

Would be nice to target a OLB, but I'm not getting my hopes up. :)

Flier on Manny Lawson maybe? Anybody have any thoughts on whether Stewart Bradley could play OLB in a 3-4? He's always intrigued me. He looks good when I see him. He has the kind of size that the Steelers have had at OLB.

[Bretsky]

It would not surprise me if McNabb does well in MN; they will rededicate themselves IMO to the run.

I sit on the fence with McNabb and Cutler. Both seem to have the talent but both also seem to be losers.....aka....they don't have the winning intangeables......smart....make the key plays and reads....etc

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'd be careful if I were the Vikings. Peterson's career will be short if they lean on him any more than they have. That OL will get him beat into the ground. Think Earl Campbell. I felt like he's lost a little bit of explosiveness since he came into the league. I respect the way he runs, but it's not conducive to a long career. Toby Gerhart is a JAG. Hell, John Kuhn looked better last year.

[Partial]

I'd be careful if I were the Vikings. Peterson's career will be short if they lean on him any more than they have. That OL will get him beat into the ground. Think Earl Campbell. I felt like he's lost a little bit of explosiveness since he came into the league. I respect the way he runs, but it's not conducive to a long career. Toby Gerhart is a JAG. Hell, John Kuhn looked better last year.

I agree with you. Pete didn't look nearly as quick accelerating last year in my opinion. MAybe it was just due to lack of space.

[Deputy Nutz]

Running backs wear out at the end of the year, especially on bad offenses. Peterson is still the best back in the league.

[Lurker64]

Running backs wear out at the end of the year, especially on bad offenses. Peterson is still the best back in the league.

He's likely the best back in the league, but he's 26 years old and with the hits he takes he is unlikely to be productive by the end of his second contract. 30 is the standard lifespan for an RB, but I'm not sure that Peterson won't start to fall apart earlier.

[Brandon494]

McNabb had one bad season last year with the Skins in which he had no receivers, no running game, horrible O-line, and a offensive coordinator who happened to be the coaches son. You put a motivated McNabb in Minny around that talent and playing in a offensive scheme that's similar to the one he ran in Philly in 10+ years.... not liking that at all. Not saying they are going to beat us but it would make the Vikings a playoff contender.

[sheepshead]

I was surprised there wasn't the flurry of FA activity yesterday I thought there would be. Maybe everyone needs to wait until Thursday?

[imscott72]

Hasselbeck to the Titans..

[imscott72]

I was surprised there wasn't the flurry of FA activity yesterday I thought there would be. Maybe everyone needs to wait until Thursday?

They can make agreement with FA's, just can't officially sign until Friday at 5pm. I think a lot of teams are trying to figure out where they are financially, and feeling out the market.

[imscott72]

I'd be careful if I were the Vikings. Peterson's career will be short if they lean on him any more than they have. That OL will get him beat into the ground. Think Earl Campbell. I felt like he's lost a little bit of explosiveness since he came into the league. I respect the way he runs, but it's not conducive to a long career. Toby Gerhart is a JAG. Hell, John Kuhn looked better last year.

The Vikings need to follow suit of other teams and go with a 2-3 headed attack at RB. That keeps your star RB fresh for the 4th quarter when you need him most. The days of the 30+ carries are slowing disappearing.

[MJZiggy]

The Vikings need to follow suit of other teams and go with a 2-3 headed attack at RB. That keeps your star RB fresh for the 4th quarter when you need him most. The days of the 30+ carries are slowing disappearing.
No they don't. At least not from my perspective.

[hoosier]

McNabb had one bad season last year with the Skins in which he had no receivers, no running game, horrible O-line, and a offensive coordinator who happened to be the coaches son. You put a motivated McNabb in Minny around that talent and playing in a offensive scheme that's similar to the one he ran in Philly in 10+ years.... not liking that at all. Not saying they are going to beat us but it would make the Vikings a playoff contender.

I see it a little differently. At the very best McNabb is the difference between the Vikings going 5-11 and 8-8. In other words, if he plays better than last year they won't be drafting in the top 10 next spring.

[Cheesehead Craig]

McNabb had one bad season last year with the Skins in which he had no receivers, no running game, horrible O-line, and a offensive coordinator who happened to be the coaches son. You put a motivated McNabb in Minny around that talent and playing in a offensive scheme that's similar to the one he ran in Philly in 10+ years.... not liking that at all. Not saying they are going to beat us but it would make the Vikings a playoff contender.

What talent in Minny? They don't have a WR corps as Rice is rumored to be going to Seattle as they can offer him a ton of cash so that leaves Harvin who's not a #1 by any stretch and could miss games at any time with migraines. The Vikes OL is below average. Musgrave has been a failure as an OC everywhere he's been. The Vikes are NOT playoff contenders.


I see it a little differently. At the very best McNabb is the difference between the Vikings going 5-11 and 8-8. In other words, if he plays better than last year they won't be drafting in the top 10 next spring.

I don't even know if they are an 8-8 team honestly. I see them with a losing record by end of season.

[Brandon494]

Honestly who knows, no one saw the Bears winning the division and making the NFC title game last season. BTW who did they lose to again? :p

[Cheesehead Craig]

Honestly who knows, no one saw the Bears winning the division and making the NFC title game last season. BTW who did they lose to again? :p

True that!

[Fritz]

You just never know, that's so. And so when the Jets sign Ashamouga (sp?) and are instantly crowned Super Bowl Champs for the upcoming year, we can all smile.

[Freak Out]

Santonio Holmes...5 years 50 mill. WTF over?

[sheepshead]

Santonio Holmes...5 years 50 mill. WTF over?

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot indeed

[Freak Out]

The guys a good player but man....24 million guaranteed.....risky.

[Partial]

Seems to me that everyone knows TV revenue is going to drive the cap way up in a few years.

[Bossman641]

WTF are the Panthers doing? 5 years and $43M for DeAngelo when they already have Stewart and Goodson?

[sheepshead]

I guess Vince Young (future hall of famer) must have his phone turned off.

[sheepshead]

Seems to me that everyone knows TV revenue is going to drive the cap way up in a few years.
I wouldnt count on anyones revenue going up for sometime to come.

[Freak Out]

WTF are the Panthers doing? 5 years and $43M for DeAngelo when they already have Stewart and Goodson?

No doubt....what did they pay the DL? 72 Million contract or something.

[imscott72]

No they don't. At least not from my perspective.

Well they don't have to if they don't mind their star studded RB wearing out many years sooner than he'd have too.

[imscott72]

Santonio Holmes...5 years 50 mill. WTF over?

Vincent Jackson just blew his load.. ;)

[MJZiggy]

Well they don't have to if they don't mind their star studded RB wearing out many years sooner than he'd have too.

That would work for me. I wouldn't be opposed at all.

[Freak Out]

Vincent Jackson just blew his load.. ;)

So did Jennings. :)

[Brando19]

So did Jennings. :)

And Jones!

[Cheesehead Craig]

Vincent Jackson just blew his load.. ;)


That would work for me. I wouldn't be opposed at all.

At first glance, I thought MJ was replying to scott given they were right after each other.

[vince]

.

#Packers are talking to FA ILB Matt Wilhelm, source tells me.

[Bretsky]

SYDNEY RICE TO SEATTLE

[red]

apparently there is no market for jones, and the packers are trying to resign him

[red]

SYDNEY RICE TO SEATTLE

nice

so now when harvin gets a migraine they will have no passing threat at all

[pbmax]

Bretsky and red, cough up some links!

Or I can paste them in.

Rice: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/27/sidney-rice-picks-the-seahawks/

You would think that Syndey Rice learned the wisdom of having a good QB from his time with Sagevarious and then Favre. Must have been one heck of an offer.

[imscott72]

SYDNEY RICE TO SEATTLE

Yessssss...lol..Take that McNabb..:lol:

[Bretsky]

apparently there is no market for jones, and the packers are trying to resign him

Jacoby Jones just signed like a 3Yr for 10MIL per year

IMO James Jones might be able to get a similar deal

There is still a chance he lands in GB but IMO other teams need him more.

As much as I use to despise him I'd feel better if we'd resign Colledge

[imscott72]

Here are Sidney Rice's numbers with Seattle: five years up to $44 million including $18.5M guaranteed

[red]

Bretsky and red, cough up some links!

Or I can paste them in.

Rice: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/27/sidney-rice-picks-the-seahawks/


You would think that Syndey Rice learned the wisdom of having a good QB from him time with Sagevarious and then Favre. Must have been one heck of an offer.

http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football/

[red]

Here are Sidney Rice's numbers with Seattle: five years up to $44 million including $18.5M guaranteed

thats a little surprising

IMO rice is the better wr and prospect compared to holmes

[Bretsky]

Santonio Holmes....5 yr 50 MIL

NFL networksaid he took a hometown discount ???? wth ?

Dude is no superstar

[Bretsky]

MIAMI wants Kyle Orton; rumors flowing

[red]

Jacoby Jones just signed like a 3Yr for 10MIL per year

IMO James Jones might be able to get a similar deal

There is still a chance he lands in GB but IMO other teams need him more.

As much as I use to despise him I'd feel better if we'd resign Colledge

man, thats a lot of money for a # 4 WR, especially when we have so much other talent to catch the ball. i would rather skip giving that type of money to jones and use it to lock up finley

[red]

MIAMI wants Kyle Orton; rumors flowing

it sounds like miami wants any QB on the market

[Joemailman]

thats a little surprising

IMO rice is the better wr and prospect compared to holmes

Except that 2 out of 4 years he's missed significant time with injuries. He's had 1 big year so far out of 4.

[Bretsky]

Leinart signs with Texans

[Bretsky]

Donte Stallworth to the Redskins

[Brandon494]

Leinart signs with Texans

You mean Seattle

[Bretsky]

Bretsky and red, cough up some links!

Or I can paste them in.

Rice: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/27/sidney-rice-picks-the-seahawks/

You would think that Syndey Rice learned the wisdom of having a good QB from his time with Sagevarious and then Favre. Must have been one heck of an offer.


dude...just take my word as gold. Not a link guy. Too busy getting texts from Mortenson, Glazer, and Scheffler on the most recent moves.......lol

[red]

You mean Seattle

nope, the texans. i heard that too

seems like matty realised he couldn't beat out t-jack and that he's nothing more then a career backup

[Bretsky]

You mean Seattle


nope; my sources tell me the Texans won his services

[Brandon494]

Never mind I guess he changed his mind.

[Bretsky]

Jake Delhomme...soon to get his walking papers. Smartest QB of 2010 making 20MIL.....13 from CAROLINA AND 7 FROM BROWNS

[Lurker64]

man, thats a lot of money for a # 4 WR, especially when we have so much other talent to catch the ball. i would rather skip giving that type of money to jones and use it to lock up finley

Other potentially comparable contract to James Jones: Steve Breaston signed with the Chiefs for 5-years $9m.

EDIT: $9m guaranteed. No idea about total contract value. Thought that was too good to be true.

[RashanGary]

MIAMI wants Kyle Orton; rumors flowing


Good fit. Pretty good team.

[pbmax]

I think Jacoby's deal is 3 years 10.5 total, 3.5 guaranteed. Jones will beat that.

[Bretsky]

Other potentially comparable contract to James Jones: Steve Breaston signed with the Chiefs for 5-years $9m.


WOW; Jacoby Jones sure did well then.

Big Money not going to the average WR's

[vince]

Tom Silverstein is hearing the Colledge may be going to the Arizonal Cardinals. He's trying to confirm with Colledge now.


@DarynColledge73 Is it true? Arizona bound?

[vince]

.
G Daryn Colledge's days with the Packers are over. He's going elsewhere, his agent said. Leader in clubhouse is Arizona.

[vince]

The Cardinals are reportedly giving up Dominic Rodgers-Cromartie, next year's 2nd round pick and $30 million guaranteed in a restructured contract for Kevin Kolb.

[pbmax]

The Cardinals are reportedly giving up Dominic Rodgers-Cromartie, next year's 2nd round pick and $30 million guaranteed in a restructured contract for Kevin Kolb.

Someone found DRC's name on the Eagle Uniform customizable web store already.

[vince]

That seems insane to me. I'm not saying Kolb can't play, but he has some question marks, not the least of which is whether he'll even hold up. I'd rather get a guy like Bulger or Hasselbeck and keep drafting... That's just me I guess.

[Bretsky]

Seattle signing Robert Gallery

SD resigns Eric Waddle for five year 40MIL deal; great story on this guy

[Fred's Slacks]

That seems insane to me. I'm not saying Kolb can't play, but he has some question marks, not the least of which is whether he'll even hold up. I'd rather get a guy like Bulger or Hasselbeck and keep drafting... That's just me I guess.

I'm right there with ya vince. This seems silly. DRC a 2nd round pick and 30 mil? Silly.

[Bretsky]

DeAngelo Williams resigns with Pathers for way too much ching

[red]

The Cardinals are reportedly giving up Dominic Rodgers-Cromartie, next year's 2nd round pick and $30 million guaranteed in a restructured contract for Kevin Kolb.

thats stupid

kolb hasn't proven a damn thing and DRC is one of the young up and coming CB's in the nfl

IMO

DRC > kolb

[hoosier]

I wouldn't be surprised if losing Syndey Rice causes the Vikings to become a little more interested in James Jones.

[Bretsky]

Darrell Bevell is the Offensive Coodinator for the Seattle Seahawks
prolly a good move for him

[RashanGary]

DeAngelo Williams resigns with Pathers for way too much ching


Agreed. He's no spring chicken. He had a lot of pounding in college and a lot so far in the NFL. He's on the way down.

[Bretsky]

EIGHT MIL per year for a RB; unless he's a superstar that is just not good spending. It appears that is why Carolina is Carolina

[Joemailman]

EIGHT MIL per year for a RB; unless he's a superstar that is just not good spending. It appears that is why Carolina is Carolina

Isn't their owner (Jerry Richardson) the guy who suggested Peyton Manning doesn't know how to read a revenue chart? Maybe Richardson doesn't know how to read an expense chart.

[Joemailman]

Broncos and Dolphins working on a deal to send Orton to Miami.

[Bretsky]

Broncos and Dolphins working on a deal to send Orton to Miami.


this news was broken in this thread two hours ago when Mortenson text'd the PR insiders lol

[Bretsky]

I think Nate Clements is getting cut

NFL Network noted how he'd be a great fit for the Lions, who clearly need an upper level CB.

What in the hell are my dam Rams doing ? They desperately need WR help. James Jones.....Plaxico Burress....wake up Rams !

[Brando19]

Looks like the Dolphins and Saints are working on a deal that will send Reggie Bush to Miami. What about Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown?

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think Brown is an UFA. Not sure about Ricky. Can he be trusted to carry the load by himself?

[wootah]

EIGHT MIL per year for a RB; unless he's a superstar that is just not good spending. It appears that is why Carolina is Carolina

I don't understand it either. What about Jonathan Stewart? Plus they also signed their DE to a 72 mil (32 guaranteed) contract IIRC.

Cam Newton's dad is probably quite happy with all of this.

[MJZiggy]

I still can't believe Todd Heap is getting cut.

[SkinBasket]

This is better than a demolition derby. They should do this every year.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I don't get all the fuss about Kolb. Can the guy really play? I mean I have seem him play a couple games and he really never impressed me. Now there is talk about them giving up DRC + a 2nd + a 30 mil guarantee. I feel the Eagles are about to rob the cards in this trade.

[Bossman641]

Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th round pick.

[Fritz]

I think it was PB who was lamenting the lack of stupid and thus entertaining moves by teams. Well, it's coming in spades now.

[MJZiggy]

Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th round pick.

They were willing to pick up THAT contract? AND give up a pick? Geez...

[sheepshead]

They were willing to pick up THAT contract? AND give up a pick? Geez...

How many pixels were spent on here slamming TT for not signing that guy back in the day? Ahhh the memories.

[Bretsky]

They were willing to pick up THAT contract? AND give up a pick? Geez...


Pats are desperate for a guy like Haynesworth and if anybody can get him to work hard it's Hoody Genius

[wootah]

Pats are desperate for a guy like Haynesworth and if anybody can get him to work hard it's Hoody Genius

Most definately. But look at this:
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp93/thankyoudonnie/LazyAssHaynesworth.gif

The guy clearly doesn't play "for the love of the game". His grand-grand-grand-grand children are set up for life financially. BB will need to pull out all stops on this one, but if there's one guy who can do it, it's him.

[Teamcheez1]

Pats are desperate for a guy like Haynesworth and if anybody can get him to work hard it's Hoody Genius

The fifth round pick isn't until 2013. If he doesn't work out, they can always cut him before the regular season starts and not pay him a dime. The way the Pats stock draft picks, giving up the pick two years from now probably has minimal impact

[imscott72]

Queens are talking to James Jones..Shocker..

[imscott72]

The fifth round pick isn't until 2013. If he doesn't work out, they can always cut him before the regular season starts and not pay him a dime. The way the Pats stock draft picks, giving up the pick two years from now probably has minimal impact

Yep, and they're only on the hook for 5M if they don't keep him..The contract was front loaded, so the Skins already absorbed most of the cost.

[pbmax]

I think it was PB who was lamenting the lack of stupid and thus entertaining moves by teams. Well, it's coming in spades now.

Yes, yes. Wednesday was much more fun. And if the Eagles fleece the Cards with Kolb, then we can break out the popcorn.

Though uniting Sagevarious Jacksonfels with Rice and Bevell is close.

[pbmax]

They were willing to pick up THAT contract? AND give up a pick? Geez...

The best part is that Shanahan and Allen were supposed to bring some order to Snyder's irrationality. But they paid a princely sum for both Haynesworth and McNabb and are now taking a bath.

[pbmax]

Pats are desperate for a guy like Haynesworth and if anybody can get him to work hard it's Hoody Genius

We'll see. They need a pass rush and Haynesworth is not getting younger. They also spend half their downs in a 3-4. So either the very expensive addition will be a part time player or he will need to be convinced to be a 3-4 end. The only advantage is that a Belicheck 3-4 end isn't quite as unglamorous as a Packer 3-4 end.

[Joemailman]

PFT: Redskins closing in on a deal for Cullen Jenkins.

Are compensatory picks in the new CBA? If so, Packers will get a few.

[red]

PFT: Redskins closing in on a deal for Cullen Jenkins.

Are compensatory picks in the new CBA? If so, Packers will get a few.

i would imagine they are

i for one am totally shocked that the queens are trying to sign one of our guys

[imscott72]

Are compensatory picks in the new CBA? If so, Packers will get a few.

Yes

[pbmax]

Brandon Stokley backed out of his verbal agreement with the Skins, which means they may be looking for another WR. But Stokley backed out after the Skins signed other receivers, so a crowded position and the fact that James Jones will command more salary than Stokley makes Washington an unlikely landing place for him.

[Smidgeon]

This is better than a demolition derby. They should do this every year.

I agree. I find I'm liking free agency compressed into a three or so day window. It's fascinating to watch team makeups change dramatically.

[sheepshead]

I agree. I find I'm liking free agency compressed into a three or so day window. It's fascinating to watch team makeups change dramatically.

Mostly under the 'addition by subtraction' scenario.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think they should have a lockout every season. I don't like spring football one bit, it's a bunch of empty speculation. Preseason is exciting, seeing the prospects in pads playing scrimmage games. Having a free agency frenzy doubles the fun.

[Joemailman]

Looks like Cullen Jenkins might not be going to Washington after all. Washington signed Stephen Bowen to a 5-year, 27.5 million dollar contract.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/126336498.html

[imscott72]

Looks like Cullen Jenkins might not be going to Washington after all. Washington signed Stephen Bowen to a 5-year, 27.5 million dollar contract.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/126336498.html

I would love the market to dry up for Jenkins so we could sign him back at an affordable rate. That would really solidify the front line.

[pbmax]

The actual reporters in Twitterverse hae been retweeting someone that the remaining interest in Jenkins would come from the Cowboys and Saints.

[Lurker64]

The actual reporters in Twitterverse hae been retweeting someone that the remaining interest in Jenkins would come from the Cowboys and Saints.

I heard the Broncos as well.

[pbmax]

Kolb is gone to Arizona for basically the package discussed earlier. Like Schaub, its a big price for a mostly unproven young vet.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/28/cardinals-give-up-huge-bounty-to-acquire-kolb/

[pbmax]

I heard the Broncos as well.

Jason LaConfara was the close to reliable Twitter source for my earlier tidbit.

[Fritz]

I'm surprised Jenkins hasn't been offered a larger contract sooner. But I see that John Elway wants to operate just like Daniel Snyder and Jerry Jones (of the last few years) do - brazenly, with little regard for on-the-field results.

[imscott72]

OchoCinco to the Pats..Wow

[Brando19]

I hope the Packers resign either Jenkins or Jones.

[Brandon494]

OchoCinco to the Pats..Wow

Holy shit LMAO

[Lurker64]

Holy shit LMAO

Either Belichick is brilliant, or this he's desperate because he hasn't won a playoff game since 2007 which lead him to trade for both Haynesworth and Ochocinco.

[sheepshead]

Locker room follies for sure.

[Brandon494]

Or he just getting ready for the Jets hahaha FOOTBALL IS BACK BABY!

[Lurker64]

Greg Olsen traded to Carolina for "A player and a draft pick."

[red]

Greg Olsen traded to Carolina for "A player and a draft pick."

bears are also trying to sign roy williams

thank you god

[pbmax]

I'm surprised Jenkins hasn't been offered a larger contract sooner. But I see that John Elway wants to operate just like Daniel Snyder and Jerry Jones (of the last few years) do - brazenly, with little regard for on-the-field results*.

See Tim Tebow over Kyle Orton. He is well on his way.

[pbmax]

Locker room follies for sure.

I wonder who leads that defense? Seymour is gone, so is Harrison, Banta-Cain and Vrabel. Is it down to Wilfork?

[Freak Out]

bears are also trying to sign roy williams

thank you god

Man this is getting good. Looks like Forte may be holding out as well.

[Freak Out]

Reggie Bush to the Flippers? When did this happen?

[red]

Reggie Bush to the Flippers? When did this happen?

they've been talking about it for two days, i think it just became official a couple hours ago

[Joemailman]

Ted Thompson: Will y'all just let me know when you're finished?

[Lurker64]

Ted Thompson: Will y'all just let me know when you're finished?

Ted has three more roster spots open after he signs his draft picks!

Expect them to be filled with Matt Wilhelm, John Kuhn, and Anthony Smith.

[Joemailman]

CB Johnathan Joseph going to Houston. Jets still in the Nnamdi sweepstakes.

[Lurker64]

Brandon Jackson signs 2 year $4.5m deal with Browns. I guess we really didn't want him back.

[MJZiggy]

Ted has three more roster spots open after he signs his draft picks!

Expect them to be filled with Matt Wilhelm, John Kuhn, and Anthony Smith.
And he hasn't cut Barnett yet.

[Lurker64]

Jason Spitz signed a 3 year deal with the Jaguars. I for one look forward to all of these compensatory picks.

[vince]

Ted has three more roster spots open after he signs his draft picks!

Expect them to be filled with Matt Wilhelm, John Kuhn, and Anthony Smith.
Good call. Has Hall offically signed with the Saints?

[Brando19]

David Akers to San Fran.

[Fritz]

OchoCinco and Haynesworth to the Pats? Wow. I'm waiting to hear that they've signed Ron Artest, too.

Is Hoodie desperate, or is his ego so big that he thinks he can handle all these crazies in the lockerroom while letting go his stable lockerroom leaders?

[Bretsky]

Sounds like Reggie Bush is getting traded to Miami

Malcolm Floyd to either Vikings or Cardinals

[Lurker64]

Sounds like Reggie Bush is getting traded to Miami

Reggie Bush was already traded to Miami, it went down last night/this morning. It was for an unspecified draft pick.



Malcolm Floyd to either Vikings or Cardinals

I think Minnesota is just getting linked to every FA WR who's worth a darn.

[Brando19]

Reggie Bush was already traded to Miami, it went down last night/this morning. It was for an unspecified draft pick.




I think Minnesota is just getting linked to every FA WR who's worth a darn.

Reggie Bush was also traded for a player...I think a Safety.

[Bretsky]

Looks like Roy Williams is going to be a Chicago Bear

[smuggler]

Roy Williams to the Bears is a classic Bears signing.

[Bretsky]

yup....I'm not sure dude can get open on Estus Hood

[vince]

Muhsin Muhammed part 2

[imscott72]

Queens lose DE Ray Edwards to the Falcons.. :)

[Lurker64]

Queens lose DE Ray Edwards to the Falcons.. :)

Edwards was never going to go back to Minnesota, he made that clear before the lockout. Too bad he went to a team that may actually be competitive.

[imscott72]

Bungles have 49M cap room after all their transactions..

[MJZiggy]

Barnett must have been released? He just tweeted this:

Ok not going to lie the bolts fans and lions go hard on twitter!!! I see a couple eagle fans and Tampa but overwhelmed by Detroit and SD

[Badgerinmaine]

OchoCinco and Haynesworth to the Pats? Wow. I'm waiting to hear that they've signed Ron Artest, too.

Is Hoodie desperate, or is his ego so big that he thinks he can handle all these crazies in the lockerroom while letting go his stable lockerroom leaders?

He handled Randy Moss just fine--so well that Moss has been begging to come back. The pats will win and Brady will be able to get Ochocinco the ball, and playing for a Super Bowl contender will help Haynesworth. I think they really can pull it off because BB will not put up with any mouthing off from his players.

[pittstang5]

Just heard on NFL Network nnamdi asougha is an eagle.

[Brandon494]

Eagles are looking dangerous right now. Wow

[Joemailman]

Eagles are now the Packers biggest threat in the NFC. Actually, they probably were last year as well.

[Freak Out]

The Vince Young Juggernaut....Tex would be proud.

[Joemailman]

Lions going after Nick Barnett. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Schwartz-and-the-Lions-are-going-after-Nick-Barnett.html

[Badgerinmaine]

Barnett must have been released? He just tweeted this:

Ok not going to lie the bolts fans and lions go hard on twitter!!! I see a couple eagle fans and Tampa but overwhelmed by Detroit and SD
It's now official from the Packers website that Barnett has been released, along with Mark Tauscher, Brandon Chillar, Brady Poppinga and Justin Harrell. http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/Packers-release-seven-players/dab18783-b902-4e9e-b128-6527703c2965 (http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/Packers-release-seven-players/dab18783-b902-4e9e-b128-6527703c2965)

[Lurker64]

Eagles are now the Packers biggest threat in the NFC. Actually, they probably were last year as well.

The thing is, we don't play them this year and we're not scheduled to play them next year. A team you don't play can't be that huge a threat.

Also, this pretty much guarantees that Samuel has to be moved, as DRC/Asomugha are press-man CBs and Samuel is an off-zone corner. It's hard to mix them, since Samuel doesn't really play man and Asomugha doesn't really play zone.

[Joemailman]

Eagles are now the Packers biggest threat in the NFC. Actually, they probably were last year as well.


The thing is, we don't play them this year and we're not scheduled to play them next year. A team you don't play can't be that huge a threat.

I'm already thinking playoffs. :cow:

[Lurker64]

I'm already thinking playoffs. :cow:

You can never guarantee somebody else doesn't beat one of the teams you're concerned about in the playoffs, and pretty much all of the teams you play in the playoffs are good.

[smuggler]

We should be concerned about the Eagles. Their additions of DRC and Scrabble are in direct retort to our handling of them in Philly last season in the playoffs.

[jmbarnes101]

Eagles also signed TE Donald Lee, another former player gone, and WR/KR Johnnie Lee Higgins to one year contracts.

Thanks Donald.

[Badgerinmaine]

Korey Hall signs with the Saints: http://blogs.greenbaypressgazette.com/blogs/gpg/insider/2011/07/29/packers-lose-another-free-agent-hall-to-new-orleans/

[Lurker64]

We should be concerned about the Eagles. Their additions of DRC and Scrabble are in direct retort to our handling of them in Philly last season in the playoffs.

How does Asomugha prevent James Starks from running for 120+?

[pittstang5]

How does Asomugha prevent James Starks from running for 120+?


Lurker..ya beat me to it.

The Eagles have D-line issues and now are losing all of their linebackers. Yeah, they signed Babin but is he really going to help. I don't think so. I guess the eagles are thinking that having better corners will improve their D-line - give them more time to get to the quarterback. I'd rather have a stellar pass rush over a stellar secondary.

[Freak Out]

Gholston to da bears.

[imscott72]

I think they really can pull it off because BB will not put up with any mouthing off from his players.

Neither does Shanahan..

[Joemailman]

Al Harris going to Rams.

As is Mike Sims-Walker.

[Badgerinmaine]

Neither does Shanahan..
True--but the players listen a lot better when you're winning as much as the Patriots have the past decade.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Al Harris going to Rams.

As a coach?

[smuggler]

Sims-Walker is an intriguing add for the Rams. They are moving in the right direction. Not nearly as "right" as the Eagles. Of course, in 3 years, the Eagles are going to be scrapping and rebuilding, so they'd better cash in while they have the chance.

[pbmax]

The thing is, we don't play them this year and we're not scheduled to play them next year. A team you don't play can't be that huge a threat.

Also, this pretty much guarantees that Samuel has to be moved, as DRC/Asomugha are press-man CBs and Samuel is an off-zone corner. It's hard to mix them, since Samuel doesn't really play man and Asomugha doesn't really play zone.

Couldn't the Packers play the Eagles next year, as two NFC games are determined by the order of finish in the division? Or is the NFC East not up next year at all?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Yes, they could. It all depends on whether they finish in the same spot in their division as us.

[Lurker64]

Couldn't the Packers play the Eagles next year, as two NFC games are determined by the order of finish in the division? Or is the NFC East not up next year at all?

Yeah, if both the Packers and Eagles finish in the same place in their divisions this year (both first, both second, etc.) then they play each other (which is why I said "we're not scheduled to play them", not "we won't play them.) But why would we worry about games the season after the one that's coming up? A lot's going to happen between then and now.

[pbmax]

According to a report to PFT, the Jets are going to make a run at Plaxico Burress. James Jones could be down to two teams bidding.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/30/jets-poised-to-make-a-run-at-plaxico/

[imscott72]

Eagles just signed Jenkins..Wow..

[imscott72]

Jenkins gets 5 yrs 25 M and we couldn't do that? That's as much as Barnett would have made. Seems like a fair price for a player of Jenkins caliber.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Disappointing. I have a bad feeling this is where Thompson's aversion to FA comes back to haunt us. I know paper champions don't normally win, but the Eagles look formidable. I know we have some extensions to do, but couldn't we get a little bit creative?

[packers11]

Jenkins gets 5 yrs 25 M and we couldn't do that? That's as much as Barnett would have made. Seems like a fair price for a player of Jenkins caliber.


agreed. don't see why we couldn't do that ... hes very underrated

[RashanGary]

Very fair. Our problem is we have some pretty big time players coming up for contracts and we can't keep them all. Colledge and Jones were alright players for us. Jenkins was really good.

Ted has done a great job adding young talent. There is no saying what new, excellent players are going to emerge this year. We lost a couple decent players and a really good one, yeah, but I'll bet more than 2 decent players and one really good one emerge this year.

When you draft and develop from within, sometimes the results have to speak for themselves on the field, not in the news paper during free agency time.


I'm not going to lie, I fear the Eagles a little right now. Nnamdi is 30 years old. Jenkins is 30 years old. One is dominant. The other is really good. They got better, no doubt. And the Cromartie trade helped too. They're going to be tough to beat.

I think they have reason to fear us too.

[SkinBasket]

Eagles won't even win their division this season.

[pbmax]

Jenkins deal can essentially void after 1 year and $4 million if the Eagles choose (according to Mike Lombardi of NFLN). I think more teams that just the Packers are worried about his ability to stay healthy. The Eagles are definitely trying to win this year. But it rarely works in football.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Eagles won't even win their division this season.

Packers didn't even win their division last season.

I think Teddy coulda shoulda signed a free agent on defense, somewhere in front 7. Maybe Jenkins, not sure who else is available for the middle of the field.

[imscott72]

Packers didn't even win their division last season.

I think Teddy coulda shoulda signed a free agent on defense, somewhere in front 7. Maybe Jenkins, not sure who else is available for the middle of the field.

Yea the front line of the 3-4 is so damn important. If Jenkins was available at that price it's a shame we couldn't upgrade that position.

[Bretsky]

Jenkins gets 5 yrs 25 M and we couldn't do that? That's as much as Barnett would have made. Seems like a fair price for a player of Jenkins caliber.


HOLY SHIT

You gotta be kidding

5Yr for only 25 ??? I think all of us figured it'd take bare minimum 7MIL and probably more

WOW

[Bretsky]

Disappointing. I have a bad feeling this is where Thompson's aversion to FA comes back to haunt us. I know paper champions don't normally win, but the Eagles look formidable. I know we have some extensions to do, but couldn't we get a little bit creative?


Ditto; I'm surprised if that is all he wanted we couldn't have pulled the trigger, perhaps even frontloading a bit, and still been fine to keep out stars going forward.

Eagles look DAM good now; hopefully we don't pay for this one

[Bretsky]

Eagles won't even win their division this season.



Who does then ? I'd take their roster over Dallas and NYG. Who knows how it'll play out but I'd take their players and Reid is a good coach

[red]

its hard to sit back at this point and put all your trust in TT when you look at what the eagles are doing

damn, what a week for those guys

problem is, vick is their main guy. if he gets hurt, like he usually does, then they won't score shit

[HarveyWallbangers]

To be fair, Jenkins might have been bitter and didn't let the Packers match the offer.

Nick McDonald, Randall Cobb (provided Jones leaves), Mike Neal, Frank Zombo or Erik Walden, Morgan Burnett

Most of these guys better be ready to be solid starters or major contributors or this team will take a step back.

I'm really hoping we see some extensions very soon.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Lol not impressed at all. There defense is not going to be able to stop us. Bring back Jones now though. Lock and load on them and we are putting up points regardless of Jenkins or Asomugha. They will be a tough team no doubt, but we are still more talented. I've learned from the past. I'm not going to get all worked up about losing Jenkins. Making tough decisions, drafting well continuously, and having patience is the name of the game.

We don't have an almost 40 year old QB any more. We are built for more than 1-2 years and keeping Sitton, Finley, and Nelson is more impotant than Jenkins. I easily see a 5-8 year run out of this team. Sign your young players just entering there prime to second contracts, not often injured players in there 30's. And we are STILL the more talented team even with all these signing.

[Bretsky]

In the bigger picture I still saw good potential for Neal and Wilson might keep developing. If they can improve and stay healthy, the Packers should be good on the D-line. Raji and Pickett are both good players. Green is a good attitude and is alright at plugging holes in this defense. Wynn is JAG...just a guy.

They'll need at least one new player to step up and they need to stay healthy. The Packers should be getting some good compensatory picks for all their losses next year, but I'd like another player or 2 for the front 7 this year.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

But I hae always been a big JJ fan. Now that the market is slowing I would like us to make a decent offer to him. He's not going to break the bank and Clifton, Grant, and Driver will probably all be gone next year clearing up about 20 mil in cap on top of about 10 mil in room we have now. Plus the cap should only increase next year. I say bring back JJ now though. Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Driver, Cobb, Finley? Seriously thats some deep talent. If we stay healthy I would take all that talent over Asomugha and DRC.

[Brandon494]

its hard to sit back at this point and put all your trust in TT when you look at what the eagles are doing

damn, what a week for those guys

problem is, vick is their main guy. if he gets hurt, like he usually does, then they won't score shit

Not if they Vince Young to backup Vick, the Eagles are looking scary right now.

[pbmax]

its hard to sit back at this point and put all your trust in TT when you look at what the eagles are doing

damn, what a week for those guys

problem is, vick is their main guy. if he gets hurt, like he usually does, then they won't score shit

Exactly how many Super Bowls has Reid won while playing coach and de facto GM?

There is no debate between Reid and TT.

[Bretsky]

To be fair, Jenkins might have been bitter and didn't let the Packers match the offer.

Nick McDonald, Randall Cobb (provided Jones leaves), Mike Neal, Frank Zombo or Erik Walden, Morgan Burnett

Most of these guys better be ready to be solid starters or major contributors or this team will take a step back.

I'm really hoping we see some extensions very soon.


It'd be neat to really know what goes on behind the scenes. I think it's fair to say Jenkins is a bit bent that we didn't make any effort at all.

We don't know if TT made any effort to ask him to come back to see if GB wanted to match their best offer or if he made no effort to throw that option out there. Maybe Jenkins did come back and we said thanks for the memories. But gut tells me that did not occur and since GB didn't show much interest be4 the FA period he felt like moving on.

When interviewed on the NFL Network before it started I think he noted he felt 99% sure he would not be returning to GB

[HarveyWallbangers]

Not if they Vince Young to backup Vick, the Eagles are looking scary right now.

I'd take my chances in the playoffs if Vince Young is the starting QB. I'd rather have Matt Flynn. Or Kevin Kolb for that matter.

[Bretsky]

Exactly how many Super Bowls has Reid won while playing coach and de facto GM?

There is no debate between Reid and TT.


While I find myself questioning this it's hard for me to criticize anything TT is doing. He brought us a title.

[Bretsky]

But I hae always been a big JJ fan. Now that the market is slowing I would like us to make a decent offer to him. He's not going to break the bank and Clifton, Grant, and Driver will probably all be gone next year clearing up about 20 mil in cap on top of about 10 mil in room we have now. Plus the cap should only increase next year. I say bring back JJ now though. Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Driver, Cobb, Finley? Seriously thats some deep talent. If we stay healthy I would take all that talent over Asomugha and DRC.


I see Jones getting around 3 MIL per year
I'd be ok if we paid him that but not too worried if we took a pass

Remember there still may be some bargains out there.

Just because we let Jenkins go doesn't mean we might not be able to pick up a decent DL for the 2MIL or so range

[pbmax]

Who does then ? I'd take their roster over Dallas and NYG. Who knows how it'll play out but I'd take their players and Reid is a good coach

They dumped everyone's favorite Defensive assistant (Sean McDermott) after last year and brought in the D Line coach from the Titans to pair with former O Line coach Juan Castillo as D coordinator.

Lots of questions for the Eagles.

[digitaldean]

I expected Jenkins to be gone, but more likely to the Bears or Redskins.

Eagles are going for broke defensively. Their defense will be much improved (but given the secondary stunk on ice even WITH Asante Samuel that wouldn't have been hard).

We caught some breaks (NYG folding vs. Philly and TB choking vs. Detroit), but we had reserve players and street FAs step up when called upon. We now have most of them back. The team chemistry will be different, but the title is still very attainable.

We have to be fortunate with injuries, but the Packers do have the main core group of players to win another title.

Neal and CJ Wilson will have to step up big. D-Line is thinnest spot on the team.

Heard John Clayton on ESPN Radio say that the Jets were after James Jones. Going to be a very different season, but it can be done, but it will just a bit harder with everyone gunning for you.

[pbmax]

It'd be neat to really know what goes on behind the scenes. I think it's fair to say Jenkins is a bit bent that we didn't make any effort at all.

We don't know if TT made any effort to ask him to come back to see if GB wanted to match their best offer or if he made no effort to throw that option out there. Maybe Jenkins did come back and we said thanks for the memories. But gut tells me that did not occur and since GB didn't show much interest be4 the FA period he felt like moving on.

When interviewed on the NFL Network before it started I think he noted he felt 99% sure he would not be returning to GB

He is 30 years old with an pretty thorough injury history. There isn't much hidden about this decision.

[Bretsky]

They dumped everyone's favorite Defensive assistant (Sean McDermott) after last year and brought in the D Line coach from the Titans to pair with former O Line coach Juan Castillo as D coordinator.

Lots of questions for the Eagles.


questions are with every squad. I've heard on NFL network many who find that OL coach to be near genius and had full faith in him. Good players make good coaches look good most of the time. Of course there are some exceptions if a squad is very strong in one area....my thoughts are we might be there with our secondary coaches

[pbmax]

They dumped everyone's favorite Defensive assistant (Sean McDermott) after last year and brought in the D Line coach from the Titans to pair with former O Line coach Juan Castillo as D coordinator.

Lots of questions for the Eagles.

In fact, it looks as though they are going to play a new variant of the 4-3, one that features man to man coverage more on the outside (if rumors that Samuel is now the odd man out are, in fact, true). Its going to take some time and he's a first time D coordinator.

[Bretsky]

He is 30 years old with an pretty thorough injury history. There isn't much hidden about this decision.


so your view is GB had no interest at this cost ?
My gut agrees

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I see Jones getting around 3 MIL per year
I'd be ok if we paid him that but not too worried if we took a pass

Remember there still may be some bargains out there.

Just because we let Jenkins go doesn't mean we might not be able to pick up a decent DL for the 2MIL or so range

Thats true, but I would rather take care of our own first. Raji, Neal, Pickett, and Wilson is not that bad. We won the super bowl with just Jenkins (just coming off injury), Raji, Pickett, and Wilson.

[pbmax]

questions are with every squad. I've heard on NFL network many who find that OL coach to be near genius and had full faith in him. Good players make good coaches look good most of the time. Of course there are some exceptions if a squad is very strong in one area....my thoughts are we might be there with our secondary coaches

Yes on players, but were you ever that confident about Bob Sanders despite a lifetime on the d side of the ball? He has a lot to prove.

[Bretsky]

Thats true, but I would rather take care of our own first. Raji, Neal, Pickett, and Wilson is not that bad. We won the super bowl with just Jenkins (just coming off injury), Raji, Pickett, and Wilson.


Not that bad as long as they stay healthy. Wilson was alright last year....which is great for a rookie. With that group they really need Neal, Pickett, and Raji to stay healthy as IMO they are at a different level of ability than the rest. Lose one of those and we are thin

[red]

Lol not impressed at all. There defense is not going to be able to stop us. Bring back Jones now though. Lock and load on them and we are putting up points regardless of Jenkins or Asomugha. They will be a tough team no doubt, but we are still more talented. I've learned from the past. I'm not going to get all worked up about losing Jenkins. Making tough decisions, drafting well continuously, and having patience is the name of the game.

We don't have an almost 40 year old QB any more. We are built for more than 1-2 years and keeping Sitton, Finley, and Nelson is more impotant than Jenkins. I easily see a 5-8 year run out of this team. Sign your young players just entering there prime to second contracts, not often injured players in there 30's. And we are STILL the more talented team even with all these signing.

right now they have 3 of the best corners in the game. they just got the best cb in the game traded a sucky qb for another yound awesome cb. and the eagles are talking about keeping the pro bowl corner they already had on their team in asante samuel

with that said, i don't know if asomugha and DRC are better then our tandem of woodson and williams

what they don;'t have though, and no one in the nfl does, is somebody that can stop finley. thats our key

[Bretsky]

Yes on players, but were you ever that confident about Bob Sanders despite a lifetime on the d side of the ball? He has a lot to prove.


I think my view on Vanilla Bob were pretty well documented. I think I was first on the hate train ....never wanted him hired at all.....and I was calling for a replacement a couple years before it occured.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

right now they have 3 of the best corners in the game. they just got the best cb in the game traded a sucky qb for another yound awesome cb. and the eagles are talking about keeping the pro bowl corner they already had on their team in asante samuel

with that said, i don't know if asomugha and DRC are better then our tandem of woodson and williams

what they don;'t have though, and no one in the nfl does, is somebody that can stop finley. thats our key

Agreed. But will they even keep Samuel? They are handing out a lot of big contracts and Samuel is zone player while DRC and Asomugha are man cover corners. And you are right about Finley being the key. If he comes back and destorys they will have problems stopping us.

[Brandon494]

Hopefully this will turn out like last season when everyone including myself did not understand why TT did not go after CB help in free agency. Just like Sam Shield stepping up for us last season at nickel CB I believe Mike Neal will do that exact same thing for us replacing Jenkins.

[red]

Not that bad as long as they stay healthy. Wilson was alright last year....which is great for a rookie. With that group they really need Neal, Pickett, and Raji to stay healthy as IMO they are at a different level of ability than the rest. Lose one of those and we are thin

i don't know, in a 3-4 you're d-line really doesn't have to be all-world for you to be good enough to tie up the o-line so you're linebackers can go to town. its a major plus if your d-line is better then that. in our case raji looks like a beast, pickett is solid, and i know first hand that neal has been working his ass off all off season. add in green and wynn and wilson and our line looks more then good enough

[Bretsky]

i don't know, in a 3-4 you're d-line really doesn't have to be all-world for you to be good enough to tie up the o-line so you're linebackers can go to town. its a major plus if your d-line is better then that. in our case raji looks like a beast, pickett is solid, and i know first hand that neal has been working his ass off all off season. add in green and wynn and wilson and our line looks more then good enough

Wynn ? You can find him on any practice squad IMO

[pbmax]

so your view is GB had no interest at this cost ?
My gut agrees

Anything is possible and that could have been far less than he expected. Not sure if the Packers ever made an offer, my memory says they did not.

If that's the case, then no, I don't think they wanted him back with Neal, Wilson and Wynn available.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

i don't know, in a 3-4 you're d-line really doesn't have to be all-world for you to be good enough to tie up the o-line so you're linebackers can go to town. its a major plus if your d-line is better then that. in our case raji looks like a beast, pickett is solid, and i know first hand that neal has been working his ass off all off season. add in green and wynn and wilson and our line looks more then good enough

Yep and if you want to start talking injuries.....the same could be said about almost every team. If we want to win the superbowl again we hae to stay fairly healthy. We can't have 15 players on IR again to win it all. We won it last year b/c we deep and got lucky they we lost players at positions with backups who were probably even better players. Looking at are roster and esp our starters, I still think we are the best team in the NFL.

[Lurker64]

I don't get where the Eagles are going to play Jenkins. He's not nearly good enough against the run to be an every down 3-technique (as I'm sure Packer fans are well aware) and between Trent Cole and Jason Babin (and Brandon Graham) he's not going to get many snaps at DE.

So did they just pay $5m/year for a situational inside pass rusher?

[Joemailman]

Wynn ? You can find him on any practice squad IMO

I agree. I really like the Packers top 5 guys Raji, Neal, Pickett, Wilson and Green. However, Wynn is mediocre at best. I'm hoping they can find someone better, either in camp or elsewhere. Maybe Guy will surprise.

[red]

Agreed. But will they even keep Samuel? They are handing out a lot of big contracts and Samuel is zone player while DRC and Asomugha are man cover corners. And you are right about Finley being the key. If he comes back and destorys they will have problems stopping us.

they said a little bit ago that they weren't gonna trade samuel. now they're saying they're taking trade offers

so who knows. they'll probably get a couple 1st round picks for him knowing them

[Bretsky]

Anything is possible and that could have been far less than he expected. Not sure if the Packers ever made an offer, my memory says they did not.

If that's the case, then no, I don't think they wanted him back with Neal, Wilson and Wynn available.


GB did not make an offer if you believe Jenkins. Who knows what they left it at once FA started

[pbmax]

Wynn ? You can find him on any practice squad IMO

Perhaps, but now that he has played in a Super Bowl, I can immediately overestimate him without fear of recrimination. Beside, all he need do is provide depth.

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now they're saying on NFLN that the eagles could land plax

how the hell do they have enough money to do all this?

[SkinBasket]

Who does then ? I'd take their roster over Dallas and NYG. Who knows how it'll play out but I'd take their players and Reid is a good coach

Giants.

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I think my view on Vanilla Bob were pretty well documented. I think I was first on the hate train ....never wanted him hired at all.....and I was calling for a replacement a couple years before it occured.

Exactly, so a qualified candidate with appropriate experience can bomb out. As could an O line coach moving to the other side of the ball, even a genius, is subject to the same possibilities.

[Lurker64]

now they're saying on NFLN that the eagles could land plax

how the hell do they have enough money to do all this?

Large parts of their roster are underpaid or neglected. All of their WRs combined make less than Jennings or Driver. All of their LBs combined make less than Hawk. All of their RBs combined make less than Grant.

[hoosier]

I don't get where the Eagles are going to play Jenkins. He's not nearly good enough against the run to be an every down 3-technique (as I'm sure Packer fans are well aware) and between Trent Cole and Jason Babin (and Brandon Graham) he's not going to get many snaps at DE.

So did they just pay $5m/year for a situational inside pass rusher?

Jenkins is surely better than Babin against the run. They put him opposite Cole on early downs and then move him inside and replace with Babin on passing downs. What I don't get in all this hussle and bustle is that they seem to be giving up (at least temporarily) on Graham. Babin isn't likely to play inside, it seems to me.

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bears just signed amobi okoye

i don't like this. i loved the guy when he was drafted. 4 year vet who's only 24

[imscott72]

It'd be neat to really know what goes on behind the scenes. I think it's fair to say Jenkins is a bit bent that we didn't make any effort at all.

We don't know if TT made any effort to ask him to come back to see if GB wanted to match their best offer or if he made no effort to throw that option out there. Maybe Jenkins did come back and we said thanks for the memories. But gut tells me that did not occur and since GB didn't show much interest be4 the FA period he felt like moving on.

When interviewed on the NFL Network before it started I think he noted he felt 99% sure he would not be returning to GB

Jenkins said on Twitter that there was no talk from the Packers at all.

[imscott72]

now they're saying on NFLN that the eagles could land plax

how the hell do they have enough money to do all this?

They're probably backloading contracts. Basically mortgaging the future for now assuming higher cap in future years.

[MJZiggy]

They're probably backloading contracts. Basically mortgaging the future for now assuming higher cap in future years.

Or backloading assuming they'll just cut them when it gets expensive.

[Joemailman]

Bears have signed Amobi Okoye, Roy Williams and Vernon Gholston. Don't they know the Packers have released Justin Harrell?

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bears just signed amobi okoye

i don't like this. i loved the guy when he was drafted. 4 year vet who's only 24

That defense in Houston was bad and he didn't help it. Never matured as a player and at 20, he had a long way to go. Could still happen but think about the team that just let him go; they aren't swimming in D talent.

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Michael Jenkins signs with Vikes. James Jones loses another suitor. His price could come down soon. If the Jets target Plax, it might be the 49ers and Packers and I have read nothing that linked the 9ers with Jones yet.

[Lurker64]

Michael Jenkins signs with Vikes. James Jones loses another suitor. His price could come down soon. If the Jets target Plax, it might be the 49ers and Packers and I have read nothing that linked the 9ers with Jones yet.

I've heard that the Cardinals are interested as well.

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Wrong thread.

[Bretsky]

did Nick Barnett end up singing with the Lions ??

[HarveyWallbangers]

did Nick Barnett end up singing with the Lions ??

Did he get a contract with Motown or something?