Packerrats group project: Top 100 NFL Players

[3irty1]

I thought this project probably needed its own thread to get organized.

The idea is to create a page here on Packerrats that will display two random player images out of a database and allow the user to choose between those players. The result of that choice will be processed by a script containing an Elo rating formula. More on the formula here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

The formula will be used to apply ratings to each player in the database such that the players with the top 100 ratings in that database can be displayed. Essentially we are breaking up the task of rating hundreds of unalike players into thousands of simple tasks of rating two players at a time.

The scripts for this project are already complete with perhaps just a little fine-tuning and styling left on my part. A demo of this concept using only NFL quarterbacks is already implemented on another site.

Now as a community we have this to do list to get this project done:

1) Decide exactly what to tell users to make their choices based on which will determine the Top 100.

2) Compile a list of players for the database. We don't need or want every NFL player in there, just ones with an outside shot of making the Top 100. The number of players in the database will probably end up being a few hundred. I have no ideas on how to decide this list and my only suggestion is a series of threads with polls maybe.

3) The biggest of all... we need images for each of these players. To make this easier I have written a bash script that will resize, compress, and convert all images at once. We need non-boring images of each player, in the same aspect ratio, with the files all named after the player they are of.

Let me know if I overlooked something.

[MJZiggy]

What aspect ratio?

[3irty1]

What aspect ratio?

Doesn't matter as long as they are all the same. Right now I'm using a 3x2 aspect ratio.

[Deputy Nutz]

This is tough. I thought the NFL Network did a poor job with theirs and they have a lot more money and access than Packer Rats.

[Deputy Nutz]

I would like to see a top ten by position, do that first. Then work from their.

[MJZiggy]

Let's also assume you want stills of at least decent quality. I'm thinking you don't want screen shots off of youtube?

[MJZiggy]

This is tough. I thought the NFL Network did a poor job with theirs and they have a lot more money and access than Packer Rats.

I'd suggest that we have more imagination. Lack of money will do that for you.

[pbmax]

Pro Football Reference has a metric that rates players across positions called Approximate Value. Here is the link for Approx Value for 2010. You can collect as many players as you wish off this list. There will be debate near the cutoff line and for this injured during 2010, but this list should be a good starting point.

This query only considers 2010. If you widen the years considered, it will look different obviously. If injury concerns us, then we could expand to look at two or three years, do the query and collect the names. Then we can divide them by position for everyone to look at.

2010: http://pfref.com/tiny/n4jGM

2009-10: http://pfref.com/tiny/XNRe7

2008-10: http://pfref.com/tiny/EqV97

Average value defined. (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?page_id=518)

[3irty1]

Let's also assume you want stills of at least decent quality. I'm thinking you don't want screen shots off of youtube?

Well needing this many images our options are limited and its probably going to resort to a team of rats hunting down what we need one by one. youtube is an interesting idea, the images probably wouldn't look too bad if they were resized to have a smaller resolution than the video had. I can't think of a way that this isn't more work than using the advanced options on good old google/images

[3irty1]

Pro Football Reference has a metric that rates players across positions called Approximate Value. Here is the link for Approx Value for 2010. You can collect as many players as you wish off this list. There will be debate near the cutoff line and for this injured during 2010, but this list should be a good starting point.

This query only considers 2010. If you widen the years considered, it will look different obviously. If injury concerns us, then we could expand to look at two or three years, do the query and collect the names. Then we can divide them by position for everyone to look at.

2010: http://pfref.com/tiny/n4jGM

2009-10: http://pfref.com/tiny/XNRe7

2008-10: http://pfref.com/tiny/EqV97

Average value defined. (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?page_id=518)

This is a good find. I just opened the list and went a few pages deep to see if any of the players around the 300 mark would have a shot at the top 100. Larry Fitzgerald was 294. That makes me wonder how far we'd have to go!

Perhaps the best would be to ask the fans of other teams to rank the top dozen players or so from their team. For the Packers this would put guys in that AJ Hawk, Ryan Grant range in the mix. For other teams I imagine the 13th and 14th best players have even less of a shot at the top 100.

[pbmax]

This is a good find. I just opened the list and went a few pages deep to see if any of the players around the 300 mark would have a shot at the top 100. Larry Fitzgerald was 294. That makes me wonder how far we'd have to go!

Perhaps the best would be to ask the fans of other teams to rank the top dozen players or so from their team. For the Packers this would put guys in that AJ Hawk, Ryan Grant range in the mix. For other teams I imagine the 13th and 14th best players have even less of a shot at the top 100.

I think the 2 year mix might be the best. Rookies from 2010 would have a shot but injuries or team decimation (Fitzgerald) would be given a chance.

Fitz is 169 in the two year spread.

[3irty1]

Ok I'm sold. Can you propose a list pbmax?

[3irty1]

I know there is a lot of news right now but I'm still a little surprised that this thread got paged. Are people interested in this idea? I thought it would bring a lot of new traffic to the site.

[pbmax]

I will furnish one. However, the current query doesn't return position, so sorting will be difficult.

I am going to contact profootballreference and see if there is a way to get the 2 year list with positions.

Is there anywhere simple we have to store the file, or do we just want to post it?

[3irty1]

I will furnish one. However, the current query doesn't return position, so sorting will be difficult.

I am going to contact profootballreference and see if there is a way to get the 2 year list with positions.

Is there anywhere simple we have to store the file, or do we just want to post it?

Post it for now I think.

[pbmax]

-Game- ----Misc-----
Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Yrs PB AP1 AV
1 Darrelle Revis 2009 2010 1-14 NYJ NFL 29 29 2 2 2 36
2 Philip Rivers 2009 2010 1-4 SDG NFL 32 32 2 2 0 36
3 Tom Brady 2009 2010 6-199 NWE NFL 32 32 2 2 1 35
4 Julius Peppers 2009 2010 1-2 TOT NFL 32 30 2 2 1 34
5 Aaron Rodgers 2009 2010 1-24 GNB NFL 31 31 2 1 0 34
6 Peyton Manning 2009 2010 1-1 CLT NFL 32 32 2 2 1 33
7 Patrick Willis 2009 2010 1-11 SFO NFL 31 31 2 2 2 33
8 James Harrison 2009 2010 PIT NFL 32 32 2 2 1 32
9 Chris Johnson 2009 2010 1-24 OTI NFL 32 32 2 2 1 32
10 Matt Schaub 2009 2010 3-90 HTX NFL 32 32 2 1 0 32
11 Jahri Evans 2009 2010 4-108 NOR NFL 32 32 2 2 2 31
12 Ray Lewis 2009 2010 1-26 RAV NFL 32 32 2 2 1 31
13 Ray Rice 2009 2010 2-55 RAV NFL 32 29 2 1 0 31
14 Drew Brees 2009 2010 2-32 NOR NFL 31 31 2 2 0 30
15 Clay Matthews 2009 2010 1-26 GNB NFL 31 28 2 2 1 30
16 Charles Woodson 2009 2010 1-4 GNB NFL 32 32 2 2 1 30
17 Haloti Ngata 2009 2010 1-12 RAV NFL 30 28 2 2 1 29
18 David Harris 2009 2010 2-47 NYJ NFL 32 32 2 0 0 28
19 Roddy White 2009 2010 1-27 ATL NFL 32 32 2 2 1 28
20 Jared Allen 2009 2010 4-126 MIN NFL 32 32 2 1 1 27
-Game- ----Misc-----
Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Yrs PB AP1 AV
21 Andre Johnson 2009 2010 1-3 HTX NFL 29 29 2 2 1 27
22 Maurice Jones-Drew 2009 2010 2-60 JAX NFL 30 30 2 2 0 27
23 Reggie Wayne 2009 2010 1-30 CLT NFL 32 32 2 2 1 27
24 LaMarr Woodley 2009 2010 2-46 PIT NFL 32 32 2 1 0 27
25 Jamaal Charles 2009 2010 3-73 KAN NFL 31 16 2 1 1 26
26 Antonio Gates 2009 2010 SDG NFL 26 26 2 2 0 26
27 Jake Long 2009 2010 1-1 MIA NFL 32 32 2 2 1 26
28 Adrian Peterson 2009 2010 1-7 MIN NFL 31 30 2 2 1 26
29 Ben Roethlisberger 2009 2010 1-11 PIT NFL 27 27 2 0 0 26
30 Matt Ryan 2009 2010 1-3 ATL NFL 30 30 2 1 0 26
31 DeMarcus Ware 2009 2010 1-11 DAL NFL 32 31 2 2 1 26
32 Wes Welker 2009 2010 NWE NFL 29 24 2 2 1 26
33 John Abraham 2009 2010 1-13 ATL NFL 31 28 2 1 1 25
34 Jon Beason 2009 2010 1-25 CAR NFL 32 32 2 2 0 25
35 Joe Flacco 2009 2010 1-18 RAV NFL 32 32 2 0 0 25
36 David Garrard 2009 2010 4-108 JAX NFL 30 30 2 1 0 25
37 DeSean Jackson 2009 2010 2-49 PHI NFL 29 29 2 2 0 25
38 Eli Manning 2009 2010 1-1 NYG NFL 32 32 2 0 0 25
39 Jay Ratliff 2009 2010 7-224 DAL NFL 32 32 2 2 1 25
40 Nnamdi Asomugha 2009 2010 1-31 RAI NFL 30 30 2 2 1 24
Games Misc
Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Yrs PB AP1 AV
41 Kris Dielman 2009 2010 SDG NFL 31 31 2 2 0 24
42 Nick Mangold 2009 2010 1-29 NYJ NFL 32 32 2 2 2 24
43 Kevin Williams 2009 2010 1-9 MIN NFL 32 32 2 2 1 24
44 Jay Cutler 2009 2010 1-11 CHI NFL 31 31 2 0 0 23
45 Darnell Dockett 2009 2010 3-64 CRD NFL 31 31 2 2 0 23
46 Shaun Ellis 2009 2010 1-12 NYJ NFL 30 30 2 1 0 23
47 Arian Foster 2009 2010 HTX NFL 22 14 2 1 1 23
48 Greg Jennings 2009 2010 2-52 GNB NFL 32 29 2 1 0 23
49 Ed Reed 2009 2010 1-24 RAV NFL 22 22 2 2 1 23
50 Justin Smith 2009 2010 1-4 SFO NFL 32 32 2 2 0 23
51 Sebastian Vollmer 2009 2010 2-58 NWE NFL 30 24 2 0 0 23
52 Lance Briggs 2009 2010 3-68 CHI NFL 30 30 2 2 0 22
53 Ryan Clady 2009 2010 1-12 DEN NFL 32 32 2 1 1 22
54 Nick Collins 2009 2010 2-51 GNB NFL 32 32 2 2 0 22
55 Matt Forte 2009 2010 2-44 CHI NFL 32 32 2 0 0 22
56 Leon Hall 2009 2010 1-18 CIN NFL 32 32 2 0 0 22
57 Logan Mankins 2009 2010 1-32 NWE NFL 25 25 2 2 1 22
58 Kyle Orton 2009 2010 4-106 DEN NFL 29 28 2 0 0 22
59 Vince Wilfork 2009 2010 1-21 NWE NFL 29 29 2 2 0 22
60 Jason Witten 2009 2010 3-69 DAL NFL 32 32 2 2 1 22
Games Misc
Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Yrs PB AP1 AV
61 Miles Austin 2009 2010 DAL NFL 32 25 2 2 0 21
62 Brett Favre 2009 2010 2-33 MIN NFL 29 29 2 1 0 21
63 London Fletcher 2009 2010 WAS NFL 32 32 2 2 0 21
64 Dwight Freeney 2009 2010 1-11 CLT NFL 30 25 2 2 1 21
65 Tony Gonzalez 2009 2010 1-13 ATL NFL 32 32 2 1 0 21
66 Percy Harvin 2009 2010 1-22 MIN NFL 29 21 2 1 0 21
67 Matt Light 2009 2010 2-48 NWE NFL 27 27 2 1 0 21
68 Jerod Mayo 2009 2010 1-10 NWE NFL 29 28 2 1 1 21
69 LeSean McCoy 2009 2010 2-53 PHI NFL 31 17 2 0 0 21
70 Donovan McNabb 2009 2010 1-2 TOT NFL 27 27 2 1 0 21
71 Carl Nicks 2009 2010 5-164 NOR NFL 32 32 2 1 0 21
72 Carson Palmer 2009 2010 1-1 CIN NFL 32 32 2 0 0 21
73 Jason Peters 2009 2010 PHI NFL 28 28 2 2 0 21
74 Asante Samuel 2009 2010 4-120 PHI NFL 27 26 2 2 0 21
75 Jeff Saturday 2009 2010 CLT NFL 32 32 2 2 0 21
76 Justin Tuck 2009 2010 3-74 NYG NFL 32 31 2 1 0 21
77 Jonathan Vilma 2009 2010 1-12 NOR NFL 31 31 2 2 0 21
78 Jason Campbell 2009 2010 1-25 TOT NFL 29 28 2 0 0 20
79 Trent Cole 2009 2010 5-146 PHI NFL 31 31 2 1 0 20
80 Marques Colston 2009 2010 7-252 NOR NFL 31 25 2 0 0 20
Games Misc
Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Yrs PB AP1 AV
81 Vernon Davis 2009 2010 1-6 SFO NFL 32 32 2 1 0 20
82 DBrickashaw Ferguson 2009 2010 1-4 NYJ NFL 32 32 2 2 0 20
83 Frank Gore 2009 2010 3-65 SFO NFL 25 25 2 1 0 20
84 Shaun Phillips 2009 2010 4-98 SDG NFL 32 32 2 1 0 20
85 Tony Romo 2009 2010 DAL NFL 22 22 2 1 0 20
86 Chris Snee 2009 2010 2-34 NYG NFL 32 32 2 2 0 20
87 Jon Stinchcomb 2009 2010 2-37 NOR NFL 32 32 2 1 0 20
88 Joe Thomas 2009 2010 1-3 CLE NFL 32 32 2 2 2 20
89 Kyle Williams 2009 2010 5-134 BUF NFL 30 30 2 1 0 20
90 Adrian Wilson 2009 2010 3-64 CRD NFL 32 32 2 2 1 20
91 Matt Cassel 2009 2010 7-230 KAN NFL 30 30 2 1 0 19
92 Tyson Clabo 2009 2010 ATL NFL 32 32 2 1 0 19
93 Dallas Clark 2009 2010 1-24 CLT NFL 22 22 2 1 1 19
94 Chris Harris 2009 2010 6-181 TOT NFL 29 29 2 0 0 19
95 A.J. Hawk 2009 2010 1-5 GNB NFL 32 29 2 0 0 19
96 Rashard Mendenhall 2009 2010 1-23 PIT NFL 32 28 2 0 0 19
97 Terence Newman 2009 2010 1-5 DAL NFL 32 32 2 1 0 19
98 Troy Polamalu 2009 2010 1-16 PIT NFL 19 19 2 1 1 19
99 Sione Pouha 2009 2010 3-88 NYJ NFL 32 29 2 0 0 19
100 Antrel Rolle 2009 2010 1-8 TOT NFL 31 31 2 2 0 19

[pbmax]

-Game- ----Misc----
Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Yrs PB AP1 AV
101 Michael Roos 2009 2010 2-41 OTI NFL 32 32 2 0 0 19
102 Bart Scott 2009 2010 NYJ NFL 32 32 2 0 0 19
103 Michael Turner 2009 2010 5-154 ATL NFL 27 26 2 1 0 19
104 Brent Celek 2009 2010 5-162 PHI NFL 32 30 2 0 0 18
105 Chad Clifton 2009 2010 2-44 GNB NFL 28 28 2 1 0 18
106 Daryn Colledge 2009 2010 2-47 GNB NFL 32 32 2 0 0 18
107 Leonard Davis 2009 2010 1-2 DAL NFL 32 32 2 1 0 18
108 Ryan Diem 2009 2010 4-118 CLT NFL 31 31 2 0 0 18
109 James Farrior 2009 2010 1-8 PIT NFL 32 32 2 0 0 18
110 Chad Greenway 2009 2010 1-17 MIN NFL 32 32 2 0 0 18
111 Andre Gurode 2009 2010 2-37 DAL NFL 32 32 2 2 0 18
112 DeAngelo Hall 2009 2010 1-8 WAS NFL 29 28 2 1 0 18
113 Steve Hutchinson 2009 2010 1-17 MIN NFL 27 27 2 1 1 18
114 Steven Jackson 2009 2010 1-24 RAM NFL 31 31 2 2 0 18
115 Brett Keisel 2009 2010 7-242 PIT NFL 26 26 2 1 0 18
116 Manny Lawson 2009 2010 1-22 SFO NFL 32 32 2 0 0 18
117 Curtis Lofton 2009 2010 2-37 ATL NFL 32 32 2 0 0 18
118 Derrick Mason 2009 2010 4-98 RAV NFL 32 31 2 0 0 18
119 Bryant McKinnie 2009 2010 1-7 MIN NFL 32 32 2 1 0 18
120 Marcus McNeill 2009 2010 2-50 SDG NFL 27 27 2 0 0 18
Games Misc
Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Yrs PB AP1 AV
121 Quintin Mikell 2009 2010 PHI NFL 31 31 2 1 0 18
122 Brian Orakpo 2009 2010 1-13 WAS NFL 31 31 2 2 0 18
123 Donald Penn 2009 2010 TAM NFL 32 32 2 1 0 18
124 Darren Sharper 2009 2010 2-60 NOR NFL 22 15 2 1 1 18
125 Josh Sitton 2009 2010 4-135 GNB NFL 32 32 2 0 0 18
126 Terrell Suggs 2009 2010 1-10 RAV NFL 29 29 2 1 0 18
127 Bryan Thomas 2009 2010 1-22 NYJ NFL 32 26 2 0 0 18
128 Lawrence Timmons 2009 2010 1-15 PIT NFL 30 28 2 0 0 18
129 Osi Umenyiora 2009 2010 2-56 NYG NFL 32 27 2 0 0 18
130 Mike Wallace 2009 2010 3-84 PIT NFL 32 20 2 0 0 18
131 Eric Weddle 2009 2010 2-37 SDG NFL 29 29 2 0 0 18
132 Antoine Winfield 2009 2010 1-23 MIN NFL 26 25 2 2 0 18
133 Eric Winston 2009 2010 3-66 HTX NFL 32 32 2 0 0 18
134 Jonathan Babineaux 2009 2010 2-59 ATL NFL 31 31 2 0 0 17
135 Champ Bailey 2009 2010 1-7 DEN NFL 31 31 2 2 0 17
136 Ronde Barber 2009 2010 3-66 TAM NFL 32 32 2 0 0 17
137 Anquan Boldin 2009 2010 2-54 TOT NFL 31 31 2 0 0 17
138 Ahmad Bradshaw 2009 2010 7-250 NYG NFL 31 12 2 0 0 17
139 Jeromey Clary 2009 2010 6-187 SDG NFL 26 26 2 0 0 17
140 Pierre Garcon 2009 2010 6-205 CLT NFL 28 27 2 0 0 17
Games Misc
Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Yrs PB AP1 AV
141 Robert Geathers 2009 2010 4-117 CIN NFL 31 31 2 0 0 17
142 Casey Hampton 2009 2010 1-19 PIT NFL 31 30 2 1 0 17
143 E.J. Henderson 2009 2010 2-40 MIN NFL 28 28 2 1 0 17
144 Santonio Holmes 2009 2010 1-25 TOT NFL 28 26 2 0 0 17
145 Vincent Jackson 2009 2010 2-61 SDG NFL 20 20 2 1 0 17
146 Mike Jenkins 2009 2010 1-25 DAL NFL 32 31 2 1 0 17
147 Calvin Johnson 2009 2010 1-2 DET NFL 29 29 2 1 0 17
148 Jarret Johnson 2009 2010 4-109 RAV NFL 32 32 2 0 0 17
149 Dhani Jones 2009 2010 6-177 CIN NFL 32 32 2 0 0 17
150 Dan Koppen 2009 2010 5-164 NWE NFL 32 32 2 0 0 17
151 James Laurinaitis 2009 2010 2-35 RAM NFL 32 32 2 0 0 17
152 Marcedes Lewis 2009 2010 1-28 JAX NFL 31 31 2 1 0 17
153 Robert Mathis 2009 2010 5-138 CLT NFL 30 25 2 2 0 17
154 Randy Moss 2009 2010 1-21 TOT NFL 32 27 2 1 0 17
155 Michael Oher 2009 2010 1-23 RAV NFL 32 32 2 0 0 17
156 Calvin Pace 2009 2010 1-18 NYJ NFL 24 23 2 0 0 17
157 Anthony Spencer 2009 2010 1-26 DAL NFL 32 32 2 0 0 17
158 Darren Sproles 2009 2010 4-130 SDG NFL 32 5 2 0 0 17
159 Randy Starks 2009 2010 3-71 MIA NFL 32 32 2 1 0 17
160 Hines Ward 2009 2010 3-92 PIT NFL 32 31 2 0 0 17
Games Misc
Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Yrs PB AP1 AV
161 Cedric Benson 2009 2010 1-4 CIN NFL 29 29 2 0 0 16
162 Dwayne Bowe 2009 2010 1-23 KAN NFL 27 25 2 1 0 16
163 Duane Brown 2009 2010 1-26 HTX NFL 28 28 2 0 0 16
164 Jermon Bushrod 2009 2010 4-125 NOR NFL 31 30 2 0 0 16
165 Brandon Carr 2009 2010 5-140 KAN NFL 32 32 2 0 0 16
166 Brian Cushing 2009 2010 1-15 HTX NFL 28 28 2 1 0 16
167 Glenn Dorsey 2009 2010 1-5 KAN NFL 31 30 2 0 0 16
168 Donald Driver 2009 2010 7-213 GNB NFL 31 31 2 0 0 16
169 Larry Fitzgerald 2009 2010 1-3 CRD NFL 32 31 2 2 0 16
170 Malcom Floyd 2009 2010 SDG NFL 27 18 2 0 0 16
171 Aubrayo Franklin 2009 2010 5-146 SFO NFL 32 32 2 0 0 16
172 Josh Freeman 2009 2010 1-17 TAM NFL 26 25 2 0 0 16
173 Dashon Goldson 2009 2010 4-126 SFO NFL 32 32 2 0 0 16
174 Jonathan Goodwin 2009 2010 5-154 NOR NFL 32 32 2 1 0 16
175 Michael Griffin 2009 2010 1-19 OTI NFL 32 31 2 1 0 16
176 Brent Grimes 2009 2010 ATL NFL 32 24 2 1 0 16
177 Tamba Hali 2009 2010 1-20 KAN NFL 32 32 2 0 0 16
178 James Hall 2009 2010 RAM NFL 30 30 2 0 0 16
179 Parys Haralson 2009 2010 5-140 SFO NFL 31 31 2 0 0 16
180 Fred Jackson 2009 2010 BUF NFL 32 24 2 0 0 16
Games Misc
Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Yrs PB AP1 AV
181 Bradie James 2009 2010 4-103 DAL NFL 32 32 2 0 0 16
182 Charlie Johnson 2009 2010 6-199 CLT NFL 27 27 2 0 0 16
183 Chris Kelsay 2009 2010 2-48 BUF NFL 32 32 2 0 0 16
184 Jeremy Maclin 2009 2010 1-19 PHI NFL 31 29 2 0 0 16
185 Brandon Marshall 2009 2010 4-119 TOT NFL 29 27 2 1 0 16
186 Darren McFadden 2009 2010 1-4 RAI NFL 25 20 2 0 0 16
187 Brandon Meriweather 2009 2010 1-24 NWE NFL 32 29 2 2 0 16
188 Hakeem Nicks 2009 2010 1-29 NYG NFL 27 18 2 0 0 16
189 Chad Ochocinco 2009 2010 2-36 CIN NFL 30 27 2 1 0 16
190 Mike Peterson 2009 2010 2-36 ATL NFL 32 29 2 0 0 16
191 Sidney Rice 2009 2010 2-44 MIN NFL 22 19 2 1 0 16
192 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie 2009 2010 1-16 CRD NFL 32 32 2 1 0 16
193 Will Smith 2009 2010 1-18 NOR NFL 31 31 2 0 0 16
194 Takeo Spikes 2009 2010 1-13 SFO NFL 31 31 2 0 0 16
195 Aqib Talib 2009 2010 1-20 TAM NFL 26 26 2 0 0 16
196 Mike Thomas 2009 2010 4-107 JAX NFL 30 15 2 0 0 16
197 Brian Urlacher 2009 2010 1-9 CHI NFL 17 17 2 1 0 16
198 Michael Vick 2009 2010 1-1 PHI NFL 24 12 2 1 0 16
199 Mario Williams 2009 2010 1-1 HTX NFL 29 29 2 1 0 16
200 Tramon Williams 2009 2010 GNB NFL 32 26 2 1 0 16

[pbmax]

Game Misc
Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Yrs PB AP1 AV
201 Kellen Winslow Jr. 2009 2010 1-6 TAM NFL 32 25 2 0 0 16
202 Flozell Adams 2009 2010 2-38 TOT NFL 32 32 2 0 0 15
203 Joseph Addai 2009 2010 1-30 CLT NFL 23 22 2 0 0 15
204 Sam Baker 2009 2010 1-21 ATL NFL 30 30 2 0 0 15
205 Antoine Bethea 2009 2010 6-207 CLT NFL 32 32 2 1 0 15
206 Kenny Britt 2009 2010 1-30 OTI NFL 28 13 2 0 0 15
207 Alex Brown 2009 2010 4-104 TOT NFL 32 32 2 0 0 15
208 Jairus Byrd 2009 2010 2-42 BUF NFL 30 25 2 1 0 15
209 Karlos Dansby 2009 2010 2-33 TOT NFL 30 29 2 0 0 15
210 Brian Dawkins 2009 2010 2-61 DEN NFL 27 27 2 1 0 15
211 Elvis Dumervil 2009 2009 4-126 DEN NFL 16 14 1 1 1 15
212 Ray Edwards 2009 2010 4-127 MIN NFL 30 30 2 0 0 15
213 Brandon Flowers 2009 2010 2-35 KAN NFL 30 30 2 0 0 15
214 Kelly Gregg 2009 2010 6-173 RAV NFL 32 30 2 0 0 15
215 Roman Harper 2009 2010 2-43 NOR NFL 31 31 2 2 0 15
216 Matt Hasselbeck 2009 2010 6-187 SEA NFL 28 28 2 0 0 15
217 Todd Heap 2009 2010 1-31 RAV NFL 29 29 2 0 0 15
218 Chad Henne 2009 2010 2-57 MIA NFL 29 27 2 0 0 15
219 Quentin Jammer 2009 2010 1-5 SDG NFL 32 32 2 0 0 15
220 Thomas Jones 2009 2010 1-7 TOT NFL 32 26 2 0 0 15
Games Misc
Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Yrs PB AP1 AV
221 Winston Justice 2009 2010 2-39 PHI NFL 29 29 2 0 0 15
222 Johnny Knox 2009 2010 5-140 CHI NFL 31 16 2 1 0 15
223 Mario Manningham 2009 2010 3-95 NYG NFL 30 18 2 0 0 15
224 Richard Marshall 2009 2010 2-58 CAR NFL 32 32 2 0 0 15
225 Rocky McIntosh 2009 2010 2-35 WAS NFL 31 31 2 0 0 15
226 Kareem McKenzie 2009 2010 3-79 NYG NFL 28 28 2 0 0 15
227 Heath Miller 2009 2010 1-30 PIT NFL 30 30 2 1 0 15
228 Zach Miller 2009 2010 2-38 RAI NFL 30 30 2 1 0 15
229 Eugene Monroe 2009 2010 1-8 JAX NFL 30 28 2 0 0 15
230 Chris Myers 2009 2010 6-200 HTX NFL 32 32 2 0 0 15
231 Terrell Owens 2009 2010 3-89 TOT NFL 30 27 2 0 0 15
232 Paul Posluszny 2009 2010 2-34 BUF NFL 26 26 2 0 0 15
233 Kerry Rhodes 2009 2010 4-123 TOT NFL 32 30 2 0 0 15
234 Mark Sanchez 2009 2010 1-5 NYJ NFL 31 31 2 0 0 15
235 Richard Seymour 2009 2010 1-6 RAI NFL 29 29 2 1 0 15
236 Steve Smith 2009 2010 2-51 NYG NFL 25 22 2 1 0 15
237 Shawntae Spencer 2009 2010 2-58 SFO NFL 32 32 2 0 0 15
238 David Stewart 2009 2010 4-113 OTI NFL 31 31 2 0 0 15
239 Marcus Stroud 2009 2010 1-13 BUF NFL 30 29 2 0 0 15
240 Ndamukong Suh 2010 2010 1-2 DET NFL 16 16 1 1 1 15
Games Misc
Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Yrs PB AP1 AV
241 LaDainian Tomlinson 2009 2010 1-5 TOT NFL 29 27 2 0 0 15
242 Kamerion Wimbley 2009 2010 1-13 TOT NFL 31 31 2 0 0 15
243 Anthony Adams 2009 2010 2-57 CHI NFL 32 24 2 0 0 14
244 Yeremiah Bell 2009 2010 6-213 MIA NFL 32 31 2 1 0 14
245 Matt Birk 2009 2010 6-173 RAV NFL 32 32 2 0 0 14
246 Tyler Brayton 2009 2010 1-32 CAR NFL 30 28 2 0 0 14
247 Keith Brooking 2009 2010 1-12 DAL NFL 32 30 2 0 0 14
248 Sheldon Brown 2009 2010 2-59 TOT NFL 32 32 2 0 0 14
249 Calais Campbell 2009 2010 2-50 CRD NFL 31 30 2 0 0 14
250 Ryan Clark 2009 2010 PIT NFL 31 30 2 0 0 14
251 Antonio Cromartie 2009 2010 1-19 TOT NFL 31 31 2 0 0 14
252 Harvey Dahl 2009 2010 ATL NFL 27 27 2 0 0 14
253 David Diehl 2009 2010 5-160 NYG NFL 28 28 2 1 0 14
254 Ben Grubbs 2009 2010 1-29 RAV NFL 32 32 2 0 0 14
255 Gary Guyton 2009 2010 NWE NFL 32 24 2 0 0 14
256 David Hawthorne 2009 2010 SEA NFL 32 27 2 0 0 14
257 Geno Hayes 2009 2010 6-175 TAM NFL 31 29 2 0 0 14
258 Todd Herremans 2009 2010 4-126 PHI NFL 27 26 2 0 0 14
259 Devin Hester 2009 2010 2-57 CHI NFL 29 25 2 1 1 14
260 Michael Huff 2009 2010 1-7 RAI NFL 32 27 2 0 0 14
Games Misc
Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Yrs PB AP1 AV
261 Cullen Jenkins 2009 2010 GNB NFL 27 24 2 0 0 14
262 Malcolm Jenkins 2009 2010 1-14 NOR NFL 29 21 2 0 0 14
263 Felix Jones 2009 2010 1-22 DAL NFL 30 8 2 0 0 14
264 Johnathan Joseph 2009 2010 1-24 CIN NFL 28 28 2 0 0 14
265 Dustin Keller 2009 2010 1-30 NYJ NFL 32 26 2 0 0 14
266 Tommy Kelly 2009 2010 RAI NFL 32 32 2 0 0 14
267 Phil Loadholt 2009 2010 2-54 MIN NFL 31 31 2 0 0 14
268 Rey Maualuga 2009 2010 2-38 CIN NFL 31 30 2 0 0 14
269 Bryant McFadden 2009 2010 2-62 TOT NFL 32 32 2 0 0 14
270 Robert Meachem 2009 2010 1-27 NOR NFL 32 14 2 0 0 14
271 Brad Meester 2009 2010 2-60 JAX NFL 32 32 2 0 0 14
272 Knowshon Moreno 2009 2010 1-12 DEN NFL 29 22 2 0 0 14
273 Santana Moss 2009 2010 1-16 WAS NFL 32 32 2 0 0 14
274 Stephen Nicholas 2009 2010 4-109 ATL NFL 32 24 2 0 0 14
275 Barrett Ruud 2009 2010 2-36 TAM NFL 32 32 2 0 0 14
276 Scott Shanle 2009 2010 7-251 NOR NFL 28 28 2 0 0 14
277 Visanthe Shiancoe 2009 2010 3-91 MIN NFL 32 22 2 0 0 14
278 Mike Sims-Walker 2009 2010 3-79 JAX NFL 29 27 2 0 0 14
279 Isaac Sopoaga 2009 2010 4-104 SFO NFL 32 32 2 0 0 14
280 Ike Taylor 2009 2010 4-125 PIT NFL 32 31 2 0 0 14
Games Misc
Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Yrs PB AP1 AV
281 Terrell Thomas 2009 2010 2-63 NYG NFL 32 32 2 0 0 14
282 Charles Tillman 2009 2010 2-35 CHI NFL 31 31 2 0 0 14
283 Stephen Tulloch 2009 2010 4-116 OTI NFL 32 29 2 0 0 14
284 Kyle Vanden Bosch 2009 2010 2-34 TOT NFL 27 27 2 1 0 14
285 Cameron Wake 2009 2010 MIA NFL 30 17 2 1 0 14
286 Scott Wells 2009 2010 7-251 GNB NFL 31 30 2 0 0 14
287 Chris Williams 2009 2010 1-14 CHI NFL 29 29 2 0 0 14
288 D.J. Williams 2009 2010 1-17 DEN NFL 32 31 2 0 0 14
289 Pat Williams 2009 2010 MIN NFL 31 31 2 0 0 14
290 Ricky Williams 2009 2010 1-5 MIA NFL 32 7 2 0 0 14
291 Will Witherspoon 2009 2010 3-73 TOT NFL 33 32 2 0 0 14
292 Marshall Yanda 2009 2010 3-86 RAV NFL 32 25 2 0 0 14
293 Vince Young 2009 2010 1-3 OTI NFL 21 18 2 1 0 14
294 James Anderson 2009 2010 3-88 CAR NFL 32 22 2 0 0 13
295 O.J. Atogwe 2009 2010 3-66 RAM NFL 28 27 2 0 0 13
296 Remi Ayodele 2009 2010 NOR NFL 31 29 2 0 0 13
297 Jeff Backus 2009 2010 1-18 DET NFL 32 32 2 0 0 13
298 Eric Berry 2010 2010 1-5 KAN NFL 16 16 1 1 0 13
299 Justin Blalock 2009 2010 2-39 ATL NFL 32 32 2 0 0 13
300 Kevin Boss 2009 2010 5-153 NYG NFL 30 28 2 0 0 13

[3irty1]

Well unless anyone takes issue with it, I'll start with pbmax's first list and start collecting pictures using the ratio I use on my own site: 3:2. Any volunteers for the second list? You don't have to commit to the whole thing but even getting 20 or 30 is a big help.

[SkinBasket]

Well unless anyone takes issue with it, I'll start with pbmax's first list and start collecting pictures using the ratio I use on my own site: 3:2. Any volunteers for the second list? You don't have to commit to the whole thing but even getting 20 or 30 is a big help.

I'll take 101-120 for now. Should I make an album here or is there an easier way to make them available to you?

Also is there a specific size you're using if I'll be cropping some anyway... and should the filename be the player or their place on the list?

[3irty1]

I'll take 101-120 for now. Should I make an album here or is there an easier way to make them available to you?

Also is there a specific size you're using if I'll be cropping some anyway... and should the filename be the player or their place on the list?

Good points I forgot to hit on. Zip the files when they are done and get them to me via email. Lets make the filenames be the player's name with the convention:

aaron_rodgers.whatever

I'll eventually resize them all to 300 x 200 but I'll be using the script so if its even 1 more second of work its not worth it for you to do it. You can send me the files in any format or even any mixture of formats.

[SkinBasket]

Good points I forgot to hit on. Zip the files when they are done and get them to me via email. Lets make the filenames be the player's name with the convention:

aaron_rodgers.whatever

I'll eventually resize them all to 300 x 200 but I'll be using the script so if its even 1 more second of work its not worth it for you to do it. You can send me the files in any format or even any mixture of formats.

Sounds good. Just wanted to make sure some weren't too small.

[SkinBasket]

I need you to pm me your email though. I'll have time to do more tomorrow.

[SkinBasket]

Well, I guess I'll battle my way through the helpful throngs and move on to 121-140.

[sharpe1027]

A few questions for the voting:

1) Will the votes be based upon projecting the 2011 season value, projecting over their entire career, based only upon last year's performance, based only upon past career performance? For example if it is based solely upon current ability, hall-of fame players on the tail-end of their careers might not make the list. Which is fine, but it shows how huge of difference there can be in the voting.

2) Do the voters weigh different positions as being more important? For example, if you are voting between a QB and a kicker, do you vote for the QB even though the QB is only the 4th best at his position and the kicker might be the best in the league?

[3irty1]

A few questions for the voting:

1) Will the votes be based upon projecting the 2011 season value, projecting over their entire career, based only upon last year's performance, based only upon past career performance? For example if it is based solely upon current ability, hall-of fame players on the tail-end of their careers might not make the list. Which is fine, but it shows how huge of difference there can be in the voting.

2) Do the voters weigh different positions as being more important? For example, if you are voting between a QB and a kicker, do you vote for the QB even though the QB is only the 4th best at his position and the kicker might be the best in the league?

1) I'd think it would make more sense to make the list for the top 100 players currently

2) I'm interested to see what people think but I would simply ask the question "Which is currently the better football player?"

[3irty1]

I'm through Adrian Peterson on the first list. Found a great shot of him trying to jump on his own fumble.

[SkinBasket]

I'm through Adrian Peterson on the first list. Found a great shot of him trying to jump on his own fumble.

This is the one I sent you for colledge. seemed fitting.
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Daryn+Colledge+2011+NFC+Championship+Green+_6WOd1p WbtTl.jpg

[3irty1]

Haha perfect.

[3irty1]

bump. Any volunteers for photo gathering?

[3irty1]

Looks like if this is going to happen its going to be without the pictures for now. Maybe after everyone sees that its cool they'll want to improve it. I'll get to work.

[Upnorth]

I won't be available till tuesday to work on this and I will take 121 - 140. I would like to know the answer skin's question as well.

[SkinBasket]

I won't be available till tuesday to work on this and I will take 121 - 140. I would like to know the answer skin's question as well.

I already did 121-140, so you shouldn't do those. I'm going to do 141-160 now, so you might want to hit 161-180

[SkinBasket]

just so everyone's on the same page...

141-160 delivered.

[SkinBasket]

161-180 done. YOu fuckers are hard to keep up with.

[3irty1]

I'm almost done with the first 100

[SkinBasket]

181-200 complete. There sure are a lot of mugshots out there.

[3irty1]

1-100 are done. 1-200 are loaded onto the prototype ranking page hosted here at packerrats (http://packerrats.com/rankings).

We just have 201 through 300 to go. Helpers?

[SkinBasket]

1-100 are done. 1-200 are loaded onto the prototype ranking page hosted here at packerrats (http://packerrats.com/rankings).

We just have 201 through 300 to go. Helpers?

I'll keep going, but it wont be til monday.

BTW, looking good, even when strange match-ups occur...

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g188/skinbasket/vs.jpg

[Upnorth]

I am starting on 281 to 300 now.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Tramon Williams = #200 best player in the NFL according to that list? Who's doing those rankings?

I could post the top 200 for the Scouts, Inc. list on ESPN.

[Upnorth]

I just sent you 281-300, hope i did it right but I suck with tech. That is what assistants are for, but I could not justify making her do this project!

[SkinBasket]

201-220 complete.

[SkinBasket]

Tramon Williams = #200 best player in the NFL according to that list? Who's doing those rankings?

I could post the top 200 for the Scouts, Inc. list on ESPN.

The 101-200 group got mis-sorted so they're just listed by last name. I thought the same thing with some of the picks until I noticed I was working alphabetically.

So did 201-300 apparently. blame pbmax.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'll have some free time this weekend to work on a project. (Wife and kids are out of town.) What exactly are we doing here?

[Guiness]

Assign me some numbers...

[Guiness]

I was playing with that link you posted.

You should have the option to skip a choice. Sometimes you just don't know, so skipping is better than randomly picking one.

[HarveyWallbangers]

After being disapointed with the NFL's top 100, a few of us at Packerrats thought we could do better.

Disappointed is spelled wrong in the first sentence.

Donald Penn's name is spelled wrong.

Can we fix the issue where all players with hyphenated names have lower case to start the second part of the name (e.g. Maurice Jones-Drew rather than Maurice Jones-drew)?

I'll continue to put typos on here. We want this to look professional, right?
:)

Thanks to all of the work put into this.

[HarveyWallbangers]

How is this going to work? How come guys like Darrell Revis are mixed in with Brett Favre and Manny Lawson? Should we start by ranking 1-100, 101-200, etc. based on Scouts, Inc. Finding out who we think is the best in each group. Then, doing another ranking of maybe the bottom 50 from 1-100 and the top 50 from 101-200. I'm confused. I got tired of seeing Brett Favre and quit ranking them.
:)

[3irty1]

Thank you Harvey for catching the typos. I'll either fix the hyphenated names or move everything to all caps. I'm going to be all self-conscious now that I know you're spelling bee champion of the world.

What I'll do to discourage against the brett favre situation is that once the rankings are solidified a bit from people's choices, I'll switch it so that the first player is random and the 2nd player is within 25 spots or so of the first one. This will prevent Tom Brady ever being compared to Brett Favre which puts gives some tard the power to make the obvious wrong choice but also prevents boring nobrainer choices as well.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Well, if I didn't list the typos, Ziggy eventually would. :) My concern mainly is that if this goes right, this could go to the "outside world." That would be cool.

[3irty1]

Assign me some numbers...

You can have 241-260. Be sure to follow our conventions, PM me if you need help.

I can add a skip button but the refresh button in your browser does the same thing.

[3irty1]

I'll have some free time this weekend to work on a project. (Wife and kids are out of town.) What exactly are we doing here?

Harv the main work to be done is rounding up some pictures. I've just been doing it with the advanced search on google.com/images. We need an aspect ratio of 3:2. The final images will be 300 x 200 jpegs but any mixture of gif, png, jpeg, etc is fine. A script will resize and convert them all. the files should be named like so:

aaron_rodgers.whatever

You want 261-280?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Sure, but won't get to them until Friday. I did notice a few guys had photos with their old team. If I notice them, I'll try to find photos with their new teams.

I found a photo of Manny Lawson with Cincinnati. Should we eliminate some obvious guys that have no right to be sniffing the top 100? Top 100 on average is one of three best players on a team? I can't see a guy like Lawson even being in consideration.

[Smidgeon]

I was playing with that link you posted.

You should have the option to skip a choice. Sometimes you just don't know, so skipping is better than randomly picking one.

You can refresh the page to skip a choice. F5 or the like. But I agree that there should be a more obvious way to do that because your point is accurate.

[Smidgeon]

Well, if I didn't list the typos, Ziggy eventually would. :) My concern mainly is that if this goes right, this could go to the "outside world." That would be cool.

I'm sure if we solicit the right people, this could work.

[SkinBasket]

Could we also maybe get the names under the photos? Would be useful like.

[Guiness]

I've got 261-280. First up at #261: Cullen Jenkins. I see Visanthe is also on my list. Can't think of what picture of him to use...

[Smidgeon]

I've got 261-280. First up at #261: Cullen Jenkins. I see Visanthe is also on my list. Can't think of what picture of him to use...

Preferably one with him missing a pass.

[Guiness]

Preferably one with him missing a pass.

On what planet is the dressing room photo of him not used?

[HarveyWallbangers]

If we are doing a top 100, why do we even need to mess with the Shiancoes and Lawsons. We should eliminate them now, so there's no chance they get overranked when we leave this up to PR users.

[pbmax]

The list of Top 300 was generated by Pro Football References Average Value metric. We used a 3 year window to week out one year wonders and career achievement awards but also to include those who may have had an injury in one year. There are undoubtedly oversights or other errors (such as Favre's 3rd retirement).

The alphabetical problem with the 201-300 group is a functional of the 3 year window and the small values or Average Value. There are a ton of players who have averaged 14, 15 or 16 points in three years. Which raises another problem: There are likely viable players in the 301-320 range or so who have the same values as the last 20 in my list.

So someone should probably review the list to weed out the unnecessary (Favre) and then we can add those immediately after 300 as fill-ins.

I am still working on adding positions to the list.