ROSTER BREAKDOWN

[RashanGary]

-on team-........** = make team / possible trade........() = Bubble, doubtful trade
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OFFENSE - mostly locks with bubble/possible trade
QB - 2 - Rodgers, Harrell *Flynn*
RB - 3 - Starks, Grant, Green
FB - 1 - Kuhn (Quinn Jonson)
TE -4 - Finley, Williams *Quarless* (Taylor, Crabtree)
WR - 5 - Jennings, Driver, Nelson, Cobb, *Jones, West*
OL - 8 - Clifton, Lang, Wells, McDonald, Sitton, Bulaga, Newhouse, McDonald, Sherrod (Shlaudershit, Dietrich Smith, Domingez)

23 IN HOUSE
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DEFENSE - mostly locks with bubble/possible trade
DL - 4 - Raji, Neal, Pickett, Green (Wynn Wilson, Guy)
LB - 6 - Matthews, Hawk, Bishop, Zombo, Walden, Williams (Francios, Jones, So'oto, Elmore)
S - 3 - Collins, Burnett, Peprah (Levine, MD Jennings)
CB - 5 - Williams, Woodson, Shields, Gordy, Bush (Ross) - Note, I think Lee is damn near guaranteed to be cut

18 IN HOUSE
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SPECIAL TEAMS
Crosby, Goode, Masthay

3 IN HOUSE

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46 LOCKED SPOTS
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2-4 open offensive spots - 6 to be cut or traded from this list of 10
Flynn
Quarless
Jones
West

Q Johnson
R Taylor
T Crabtree
Shit Shlaudershit
E Dietrich
Whoever Domingez

We have excess offense

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5-7 open defensive spots - 0 safe players in this list
C Wilson
J Wynn
whoever Guy
R Francois
whoever So'oto
R Elmore
whoever Levine
M Jennings
B Ross

Our defense could be upgraded
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TRADES LIKELY - OFFENSE FOR DEFENSE Could be a surprise trade, a quality offensive player for a quality defensive player or high pick.

[MJZiggy]

M3 has already said flat out that Flynn's not going anywhere. No qualifications, just flat out he's not going anywhere. M3 is pretty straightforward. Therefore, I don't expect Flynn to go anywhere until he hits free agency next year.

[RashanGary]

So they wouldn't trade him for Suh?

Everyone has a price.

[MJZiggy]

So they wouldn't trade him for Suh?

Everyone has a price.

I don't want Suh anywhere near this team until he learns to play by the NFL rules. If he keeps it up, he'll be suspended before the end of the season.

[smuggler]

Get real. Suh is the shit. We'd take him over any player on our D line, excepting Raji

[rbaloha1]

So they wouldn't trade him for Suh?

Everyone has a price.

Trades rarely happen within the same division except for McNabb.

[vince]

There are some guys with talent that are expendable IMO due to young talent, but it's hard for me to envision any of them getting traded at this point in the game. I think the thing to do would be to keep West and go with 8 o-linemen and Schlauderaff, Campbell and Dominguez on the PS. That or Crabtree could be gone. I haven't paid attention to West's special teams play and he'll have to show promise there to stick. He's been making plays all camp at receiver though - not just in the last game.

With no trades, here would be my 53.

QB: Rodgers, Flynn, Harrell
RB: Grant, Starks, Green, Kuhn
TE: Finley, Quarless, Williams, Taylor, Crabtree
WR: Jennings, Driver, Cobb, Nelson, West, Jones
OL: Clifton, Lang, Wells, Sitton, Bulaga, Sherrod, McDonald, Newhouse
DL: Raji, Pickett, Neal, Green, Wilson, Wynn
OLB: Matthews, Zombo, Walden, Jones
ILB: Hawk, Bishop, Smith, Francois
CB: Williams, Shields, Woodson, House, Gordy, Bush
S: Collins, Burnett, Peprah, Levine
ST: Crosby, Masthay, Goode

PS: Schlauderaff, Campbell, Dominguez, Borel, So'oto, Pnut Joseph, Guy, Hoeze

I think it's two of Crabtree, Dietrich-Smith, Johnson, West. My picks are Crabtree and West.
I wouldn't look forward to having Gordy on the field, but he is playing aggressive and looks like he wants it more than Lee.

[Yoop]

Get real. Suh is the shit. We'd take him over any player on our D line, excepting Raji

who else is there? of course we would take him lol.

[MJZiggy]

who else is there? of course we would take him lol.

What good is Suh after he gets himself suspended? Jolly's a great player too. A lot of good he's doing us.

[Deputy Nutz]

What good is Suh after he gets himself suspended? Jolly's a great player too. A lot of good he's doing us.

Suh is great better than Jolly could ever be. Suh is actually a pretty decent person off the field. Not a drug addict. Get your facts straight. He has beat the crap out of some QBs in preseason games, fined, he won't play like that any more and if he gets a mark or two, it is all about reputation.

Don't be a troll

[digitaldean]

From what I was hearing on the Green Bay stations is that Lee is doing the coverage perfectly in practice, but not carrying it over into the game. So far his play (not counting his admirable fill-in performance in SB45) hasn't demonstrated being him kept for the finalroster. Crabtree somehow has to find his way on the roster because he is the best BLOCKING TE and semi-servicable receiver. Finley is a stud but can't block that well. I concur with Vince's final 53.

WR is going to be one helluva tough final cutdown. Cobb had an awesome chance at a punt runback last night but ran before he caught the ball. West hopefully will get some touches vs. Indy on ST.

I love Johnson at FB, but I can't see him making the squad especially if Green, Starks, Kuhn and Grant are all healthy.

[MJZiggy]

Suh is great better than Jolly could ever be. Suh is actually a pretty decent person off the field. Not a drug addict. Get your facts straight. He has beat the crap out of some QBs in preseason games, fined, he won't play like that any more and if he gets a mark or two, it is all about reputation.

Don't be a troll

He was quoted this week as saying that he has no intention of changing the way he plays. He blamed the refs for not being able to judge his never-before-seen strength. Get YOUR facts straight. And Jolly is just as good at sitting home as Suh will be if he doesn't get his act together. Just watch. And don't call me a troll, I'll take your left kneecap out!

[smuggler]

Don't be a troll

Pretty much this. If you look at the dude objectively, you know that we would want/need/take him.

Incidently, while is Jolly is an idiot, he's hardly a fiend. He's going to win his case against the NFL, too, which will set him up for purple drank for lyfe.

[Deputy Nutz]

He was quoted this week as saying that he has no intention of changing the way he plays. He blamed the refs for not being able to judge his never-before-seen strength. Get YOUR facts straight. And Jolly is just as good at sitting home as Suh will be if he doesn't get his act together. Just watch. And don't call me a troll, I'll take your left kneecap out!

So let me get this straight, Suh was the number one over all draft pick last year, rookie of the year in 2010. Pro Bowl, and All Pro, and you wouldn't trade him for a back up QB? If you don't know any more about footbll than this, then yes you are a troll. Sorry, even if he cracks a QB and gets suspended for a game, it is a wee bit different than the one season, going on two that Jolly is on.

So before we waste any more time and you demonstrate any more ignorance on the subject I will get back to the topic at hand. The roster, the Packers will keep more than 4 defensive linemen. Wynn had a pretty decent game last night, Wilson hasn't had the best camp but for the time he was in he looked like he can play as a reserve. They keep six regardless if they drop a couple of DLs on this current roster and pick up or trade for one or two more the bottom line is they keep 6.

I get that they have several extra tight ends, but keeping 5 tight ends makes no sense unless one of them can be a battering ram on short yardage plays. An area where the Packers struggled last year. Quinn Johnson isn't going to be counted on to catch balls out of the backfield he is going to be paid to destroy linebackers. His blocking has to be top notch to compete with the talent at other positions and he might not make this roster because of it. I like John Kuhn but he isn't short yardage fullback, running back yes, but he isn't going to be paving any roads.

[MJZiggy]

So let me get this straight, Suh was the number one over all draft pick last year, rookie of the year in 2010. Pro Bowl, and All Pro, and you wouldn't trade him for a back up QB? If you don't know any more about footbll than this, then yes you are a troll. Sorry, even if he cracks a QB and gets suspended for a game, it is a wee bit different than the one season, going on two that Jolly is on.

So before we waste any more time and you demonstrate any more ignorance on the subject I will get back to the topic at hand. The roster, the Packers will keep more than 4 defensive linemen. Wynn had a pretty decent game last night, Wilson hasn't had the best camp but for the time he was in he looked like he can play as a reserve. They keep six regardless if they drop a couple of DLs on this current roster and pick up or trade for one or two more the bottom line is they keep 6.

I get that they have several extra tight ends, but keeping 5 tight ends makes no sense unless one of them can be a battering ram on short yardage plays. An area where the Packers struggled last year. Quinn Johnson isn't going to be counted on to catch balls out of the backfield he is going to be paid to destroy linebackers. His blocking has to be top notch to compete with the talent at other positions and he might not make this roster because of it. I like John Kuhn but he isn't short yardage fullback, running back yes, but he isn't going to be paving any roads.

Nice post and all that is really nice about the accolades and everything, but it's not my point. I am a student of human behavior and he does not exhibit the kind of human behavior that TT wants anywhere near his team. Suh is quickly becoming a me-first player who now thinks he is above the refs. His attitude would KILL the atmosphere in the locker room that the Packers have worked SO hard to achieve. That is more of an effect than one guy getting accolades in a season. At GB, your draft status means nothing and I don't think Mr. #1 pick could handle that. He said in a NATIONAL interview that he won't change. I hope he does, but for this year he has a huge bullseye on his ass after what he said about the refs. $20K is NOTHING that will make him want to play within the rules and when he did this to Delhomme was it preseason? I guess at this point we'll have to agree to disagree, but I say he's lost control so we'll have to watch and see how many yards his invincibility costs the Lions. Hope it comes at critical points in games, because the rest of the team is getting good, but how often can they give up 15 yards and an automatic first down? And how do you think the league is going to think about some second year DE injuring one of its star quarterbacks?

[3irty1]

There are some guys with talent that are expendable IMO due to young talent, but it's hard for me to envision any of them getting traded at this point in the game. I think the thing to do would be to keep West and go with 8 o-linemen and Schlauderaff, Campbell and Dominguez on the PS. That or Crabtree could be gone. I haven't paid attention to West's special teams play and he'll have to show promise there to stick. He's been making plays all camp at receiver though - not just in the last game.

With no trades, here would be my 53.

QB: Rodgers, Flynn, Harrell
RB: Grant, Starks, Green, Kuhn
TE: Finley, Quarless, Williams, Taylor, Crabtree
WR: Jennings, Driver, Cobb, Nelson, West, Jones
OL: Clifton, Lang, Wells, Sitton, Bulaga, Sherrod, McDonald, Newhouse
DL: Raji, Pickett, Neal, Green, Wilson, Wynn
OLB: Matthews, Zombo, Walden, Jones
ILB: Hawk, Bishop, Smith, Francois
CB: Williams, Shields, Woodson, House, Gordy, Bush
S: Collins, Burnett, Peprah, Levine
ST: Crosby, Masthay, Goode

PS: Schlauderaff, Campbell, Dominguez, Borel, So'oto, Pnut Joseph, Guy, Hoeze

I think it's two of Crabtree, Dietrich-Smith, Johnson, West. My picks are Crabtree and West.
I wouldn't look forward to having Gordy on the field, but he is playing aggressive and looks like he wants it more than Lee.

I pretty well agree with all of that. I do think that they could consider Brad Jones an ILB making way for So'oto instead of Francois. I have a feeling that even Walden would move inside before they'd play Francois there. I would also think long and hard about that last corner spot. That spot you have going to Gordy is going to a special teams gunner/protection specialist for the punting teams. Lee is better at that. If MD Jennings is going to get a roster spot, that's the spot he'll take it from. Johnson vs Crabtree is a tough call for me.

[sheepshead]

From what I was hearing on the Green Bay stations is that Lee is doing the coverage perfectly in practice, but not carrying it over into the game. So far his play (not counting his admirable fill-in performance in SB45) hasn't demonstrated being him kept for the finalroster. Crabtree somehow has to find his way on the roster because he is the best BLOCKING TE and semi-servicable receiver. Finley is a stud but can't block that well. I concur with Vince's final 53.

WR is going to be one helluva tough final cutdown. Cobb had an awesome chance at a punt runback last night but ran before he caught the ball. West hopefully will get some touches vs. Indy on ST.

I love Johnson at FB, but I can't see him making the squad especially if Green, Starks, Kuhn and Grant are all healthy.


I dont know if you meant this but I dont think Finley is a liability as a blocker.

[Deputy Nutz]

Nice post and all that is really nice about the accolades and everything, but it's not my point. I am a student of human behavior and he does not exhibit the kind of human behavior that TT wants anywhere near his team. Suh is quickly becoming a me-first player who now thinks he is above the refs. His attitude would KILL the atmosphere in the locker room that the Packers have worked SO hard to achieve. That is more of an effect than one guy getting accolades in a season. At GB, your draft status means nothing and I don't think Mr. #1 pick could handle that. He said in a NATIONAL interview that he won't change. I hope he does, but for this year he has a huge bullseye on his ass after what he said about the refs. $20K is NOTHING that will make him want to play within the rules and when he did this to Delhomme was it preseason? I guess at this point we'll have to agree to disagree, but I say he's lost control so we'll have to watch and see how many yards his invincibility costs the Lions. Hope it comes at critical points in games, because the rest of the team is getting good, but how often can they give up 15 yards and an automatic first down? And how do you think the league is going to think about some second year DE injuring one of its star quarterbacks?

First, he is a defensive tackle, and secondly if you think Suh is going to implode this season you know just as much about human behavior as you do football.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

First, he is a defensive tackle, and secondly if you think Suh is going to implode this season you know just as much about human behavior as you do football.

I think Suh is the man too and my vote for DPOY, but your talking as if he were your kid. Did Suh safe your life or something?

[Brandon494]

FYI Sam Bradford was the #1 overall pick.

[Yoop]

FYI Sam Bradford was the #1 overall pick.

I was wondering if anyone would point that incidental out, haha, Suh will be fined till he cleans his act up, he is a top talent, dont even mention Jolly in the same breath, it's not even close, Suh plays with reckless abandon, once he gets that dialed back a bit, he will be fine and a perinial pro bowler.

[cheesner]

Trades rarely happen within the same division except for McNabb.

Yes. Trading Suh for Quinn, a HOF caliber DT for a 3rd string FB (who will be cut anyway), the only hangup on that going through is that we won't trade within our division.

[Smidgeon]

I think Suh is the man too and my vote for DPOY, but your talking as if he were your kid. Did Suh safe your life or something?

I think the DPOY is determined after the season is played, not before...

[mraynrand]

First, he is a defensive tackle, and secondly if you think Suh is going to implode this season you know just as much about human behavior as you do football.


I think you need to conduct a Gallup poll of GMs to see how many would take Suh for Flynn, and how many think Suh will implode. Also, please present Gallup poll statistics for verification.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I think the DPOY is determined after the season is played, not before...

Oh really I thought they were determined before the season. Thats why I thought we always start these prediction threads b/c we have the power to determine stuff before the season starts. See and I was going to call Rodgers and tell him he was going to win MVP. Dam.

[Zool]

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk127/fireandashes36/heatsmyballs.jpg

In honor of possibly the dumbest thread argument here in a long time. Yes of course the Packers would trade almost anyone on the roster for Suh straight up. The real troll here is JH for making a ridiculously over the top statement like that in the first place.

[mraynrand]

What this thread lacks in intelligent thought, it makes up for in biting, merciless sarcasm.

[MJZiggy]

First, he is a defensive tackle, and secondly if you think Suh is going to implode this season you know just as much about human behavior as you do football.
When did I say this season? Doesn't matter when he implodes, I don't want him around my boys when he does and trading for him puts him squarely in the locker room with my boys beyond this season. Maybe he fixes himself, maybe he implodes, but he cannot keep tackling QBs by the head and expect to hang around in this league. In the league's eyes A Manning > A Suh. He's said he's not going to change so he's made it them vs. him. How many 15-yard penalties that give the other team a first down (on third down?) does it take to offset a sack?

[Deputy Nutz]

Fuck! stop being so damn ignorant! He is going to be a pro bowler for the next ten years. But "your boys' are not going to have to worry about being teammates with him, they are going to have to worry about keeping him off Rodgers for two games a year.

"Your boys", fuck that is funny. How many of those Packers you push through your birth hole?

[MJZiggy]

Fuck! stop being so damn ignorant! He is going to be a pro bowler for the next ten years. But "your boys' are not going to have to worry about being teammates with him, they are going to have to worry about keeping him off Rodgers for two games a year.

"Your boys", fuck that is funny. How many of those Packers you push through your birth hole?

How many of them did you root for last season?

[Deputy Nutz]

You're goofy. What the hell does that last statement have to do with anything?

[Joemailman]

What this thread lacks in intelligent thought, it makes up for in biting, merciless sarcasm.

Excellent point, Einstein.

[woodbuck27]

M3 has already said flat out that Flynn's not going anywhere. No qualifications, just flat out he's not going anywhere. M3 is pretty straightforward. Therefore, I don't expect Flynn to go anywhere until he hits free agency next year.

We need help on the DL and at LB. Is it possible that our Backup at QB could be trade bait?

I agree that to let Flynn go would be a tad foolhardy given that Aaron Rodgers has suffered concussion in his past.

GO Packers !

[woodbuck27]

How many of them did you root for last season?

Holy shit! Do you know who your posting that crap to MJ? Havn't you been paying attention to detail since you started to post with OUR group?? That Packer and NFL fan understands football at a level most of us here will never comprehend.

Just a polite suggestion MJ. I'm on your side Packer fan.

Try to form a new agenda please. Change is a remarkable quality.

This year we are all on the same bus.To see OUR team repeat. Got that ticket yet, mj? We are trying to be ONE here not devided by past emotions and misspent angst. Let's all get it together. Get along 'as Packer fans' in a state of some decency and harmony and let go of the BS.

If you take that man on you lose MJ. Just STOP. Your smarter than that. Of course, Deputy Nutz ia a Packer fan. Ok your having a bad day when you posted the above.We all get there at times.

Its all this:

GO PACK GO!... nothing else promotes the karma we need. Let's HEAL here on PackerRats please.

GO PACK GO!

[Deputy Nutz]

Woodbuck, don't throw me in with all of you lunatic Packer fans. I jumped that addiction 3 years ago and I ain't never looking back.

[Pugger]

Woodbuck, don't throw me in with all of you lunatic Packer fans. I jumped that addiction 3 years ago and I ain't never looking back.

If you are not a Packer fan why do you post here?

Jolly isn't in the same galaxy talent wise compared to Suh but if Suh is suspended he contributes to the loins about as much as purple drank has lately for the Pack.

[Harlan Huckleby]

DEputy Nutz suffered psychological damage in recent years with the meltdown of his hero, Bert Favre.

He'll be back with the green and gold pom-poms, maybe not til menopause, but soon enough.
In the case of Nutz, time heals on wounds, with Favre, time wounds all heels.

[Deputy Nutz]

If you are not a Packer fan why do you post here?

Jolly isn't in the same galaxy talent wise compared to Suh but if Suh is suspended he contributes to the loins about as much as purple drank has lately for the Pack.

Fuck you. I will post where ever and when ever the fuck I want, about any topic I want. I hope Suh never contribute to the loins, that is just sick.

[Deputy Nutz]

DEputy Nutz suffered psychological damage in recent years with the meltdown of his hero, Bert Favre.

He'll be back with the green and gold pom-poms, maybe not til menopause, but soon enough.
In the case of Nutz, time heals on wounds, with Favre, time wounds all heels.

Fuck you to Harlan. At least I don't run away from the forum because I became to emotionally invested and burned out over an internet forum. So who is the real bitch?

[NewsBruin]

Either the horse or the rider, not sure.

[hoosier]

Suh is the real bitch. I mean Sue.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/5372/suev.jpg

[ThunderDan]

If you are not a Packer fan why do you post here?

Jolly isn't in the same galaxy talent wise compared to Suh but if Suh is suspended he contributes to the loins about as much as purple drank has lately for the Pack.

When did we start talking about loins? I thought this was about Suh.

[mraynrand]

Suh is the real bitch. I mean Sue.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/5372/suev.jpg

I just soiled my armor

[Harlan Huckleby]

Fuck you to Harlan. At least I don't run away from the forum because I became to emotionally invested and burned out over an internet forum. So who is the real bitch?

I love you. I don't stop and say that nearly often enough.

[KYPack]

Suh otta change his name to Sioux.

[Zool]

I just soiled my armor

What...behind the rabbit?

[Deputy Nutz]

I love you. I don't stop and say that nearly often enough.

You sound like a battered spouse.

[pbmax]

I just soiled my armor

That's a dinosaur, not a dragon. Though it could be a rabbit.