Packer players compare Lang to Colledge

[Patler]

Some very interesting comments in this article:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/128225603.html

Lots of quotes from Raji, Green and Picket. This is just a sample:


"Not to belittle Colledge, but I think T.J. will definitely be more effective," nose tackle B.J. Raji said Monday shortly after coach Mike McCarthy announced Lang had beat out rookie Derek Sherrod.

and about Colledge later:

"He's not really strong and doesn't have too much confidence."

[Deputy Nutz]

Not a lot of love thrown around for Colledge, basically calling him soft, and a pussy, but not to belittle him or anything.

[Joemailman]

Raji's comment about Colledge not having a lot of confidence was interesting. I sometimes felt Colledge had an air of cockiness about him that was not justified by his level of play. Was cockiness a cover for his lack of confidence? At any rate, I'm happy with the change. With the exception of the LT position, the Packers are transitioning to an OL with more physical toughness than we're used to.

[Brandon494]

I've said all long I think he's a upgrade at LG. With Clifton and College the left side has always been weak in the run game, I think Lang is a major upgrade in run blocking and he'll be just as good in pass protection once he gets reps.

[rbaloha1]

Raji's comment about Colledge not having a lot of confidence was interesting. I sometimes felt Colledge had an air of cockiness about him that was not justified by his level of play. Was cockiness a cover for his lack of confidence? At any rate, I'm happy with the change. With the exception of the LT position, the Packers are transitioning to an OL with more physical toughness than we're used to.

Exactly. Milder version of Russ Verba. Played well enough to get a big contract.

Also completely pussy whipped by spouse. With Lang, the packers can run plays to the left side.

[denverYooper]

I've said all long I think he's a upgrade at LG. With Clifton and College the left side has always been weak in the run game, I think Lang is a major upgrade in run blocking and he'll be just as good in pass protection once he gets reps.

+1. I've been waiting to see Twanger get in there at LG.

[Tony Oday]

Exactly. Milder version of Russ Verba. Played well enough to get a big contract.

Also completely pussy whipped by spouse. With Lang, the packers can run plays to the left side.
Verba wasn't pussy whipped.

[VermontPackFan]

Not a lot of love thrown around for Colledge, basically calling him soft, and a pussy, but not to belittle him or anything.

Exactly, no offense or anything...:)

[VermontPackFan]

Exactly. Milder version of Russ Verba. Played well enough to get a big contract.



I remember Verba being a tough guy both in Green Bay and Cleveland...?

[Guiness]

I remember Verba being a tough guy both in Green Bay and Cleveland...?

and near insane. His little stint in Las Vegas with Paris Hilton, running out of money and having a casino cal in a marker. Oh ya, don't forget he was a Christian missionary in there somewhere!

[retailguy]

getting pretty crowded here on the anti colledge bandwagon. I remember some pretty lonely days on this bandwagon. Funny how things change.... ;)

[Deputy Nutz]

I remember Verba being a tough guy both in Green Bay and Cleveland...?

Just not very good.

[Fritz]

Not to belittle the guy or anything...then they all belittled him.

Sounds like they were actually doing some psychological analysis in that article, using euphemisms. Thus, Howard Green: "(Colledge) plays the game to what he knows how to do, and that's use his technique" = 'That dude was a puss!"

Ryan Pickett calling Colledge playing guard as a "finesse, position" = "I told him I had sex with his mom and he asked me if she was any good."

And then Raji on Colledge: "He's not really strong and doesn't have too much confidence" = "He plays like an overweight woman wearing a white dress on a blind date while on her period."

Man, not to belittle Colledge, but....they really belittled Colledge.

[VermontPackFan]

Just not very good.

I thought he was pretty good and thought it was a mistake to let him go at the time...

[VermontPackFan]

Man, not to belittle Colledge, but....they really belittled Colledge.

Yes they did, funny huh? It makes me wonder if there were some underlying chemistry issues going on while he was on the team. I knew he was gone just due to team financials and the oveall fact that you cannot keep everyone.

Hopefully we will not miss his toughness in that he never missed a game or practice in 5 years. I still think LG is a question mark for our team. Until I see Lang play steady for 2-4 games I will not rest easily...

[bobblehead]

getting pretty crowded here on the anti colledge bandwagon. I remember some pretty lonely days on this bandwagon. Funny how things change.... ;)

NOt necessarily. I remember me and PB defending college and feeling pretty lonely at the time. One of us has a shoddy memory. I still defend him for what he is. A serviceable starter who is always available, but you constantly try and replace. Not living up to his draft status, but he probably will start for 10 years in this league. A ten year starter in the NFL...is that really so awful?

[RashanGary]

I think what Raji's saying is Colledge didn't have confidence in his ability to move anyone. He said he finessed and cut rather than mauled. It sounds like Lang is a little stronger. He has confidence in his ability to create movement.

That was the context of "confidence" that I understood.

[Upnorth]

I liked College, not great, just passable, which was better than at the time. Now we have better players, and I hope he has a nice career. I feel the same about all the packers players, keep them until some one better comes along.

[Fritz]

I think what Raji's saying is Colledge didn't have confidence in his ability to move anyone. He said he finessed and cut rather than mauled. It sounds like Lang is a little stronger. He has confidence in his ability to create movement.

That was the context of "confidence" that I understood.

It's clear, any way you interpret it, that they think Lang is - or will be - far better.

[KYPack]

Colledge was Colledge and he's gone, now.

Hey BJ, shut up, Bro.

This kind of shit can't help, it'll only hurt in the long run.

[vince]

Colledge was Colledge and he's gone, now.

Hey BJ, shut up, Bro.

This kind of shit can't help, it'll only hurt in the long run.
Good point. I bet someone said the same thing to them if they didn't say it to themselves by now. They were tricked into it by McGinn the old vet shyster.

[vince]

Just kiddin' about the shyster part. I thought that was a great article actually. McGinn is a crafty old reporter, and I mean old in a good way.

I especially liked reading this about Lang,


"(Colledge) plays the game to what he knows how to do, and that's use his technique. He uses his head to kind of make up for the stuff he maybe lacks physically. T.J. is kind of a bang-bang, knock 'em back guy. He has good feet also."

Defensive end Ryan Pickett called Colledge a "finesse, position" guard. He said Lang "has got a lot of dirtiness, which you want an offensive lineman to have. Like a lot of fight."

[smuggler]

keep them until some one better comes along. Poor Peprah. Q.Q

[MadScientist]

I liked College, not great, just passable, which was better than at the time. Now we have better players, and I hope he has a nice career. I feel the same about all the packers players, keep them until some one better comes along.

As Ron Wolf said to Brian Noble:

You’re a good player, but not a great player. You’re only going to be around until I can find someone better to replace you with.
Lang sounds tougher. I hope he turns out to be better. We won't know until September.

[mraynrand]

Colledge was Colledge and he's gone, now.

Hey BJ, shut up, Bro.

This kind of shit can't help, it'll only hurt in the long run.

That's some serious billboard material for when the Packers and Cards meet in the playoffs. Colledge will really bring it then!

[ThunderDan]

NOt necessarily. I remember me and PB defending college and feeling pretty lonely at the time. One of us has a shoddy memory. I still defend him for what he is. A serviceable starter who is always available, but you constantly try and replace. Not living up to his draft status, but he probably will start for 10 years in this league. A ten year starter in the NFL...is that really so awful?

I was defending Colledge also. I said he isn't Probowl caliber but he is a serviceable LG and until they had something better they should keep him. I knew after 2010 he was gone strictly for financial reasons. Hopefully the next starter is an improvement but DC was good enough for the Packers to win a Superbowl with.

[Yoop]

Colledge=Sherrod, both LT's in college, both tried at G when they arrived, the difference is a younger Clifton when Colledge got here versus a need now at LT since Cliffy is about to retire, reverse these two guy's and the time frame, and it's about the same thing, Colledge would have been a better tackle than he's ever been at G, however we needed G's when he got here, and I'am sure thats what Colledge is pissed about and has a resentment over, who wouldn't be in his shoes, add that to Colledge reworking his skillset as best he could to play G, not practicing at T, then being thrown to the wolfs (jarrod Allen) and failing miserably, easy to see his confidense was shaken, not so much sticking up for Colledge, just understanding his mindset on this a little.

[retailguy]

Colledge=Sherrod, both LT's in college, both tried at G when they arrived, the difference is a younger Clifton when Colledge got here versus a need now at LT since Cliffy is about to retire, reverse these two guy's and the time frame, and it's about the same thing, Colledge would have been a better tackle than he's ever been at G, however we needed G's when he got here, and I'am sure thats what Colledge is pissed about and has a resentment over, who wouldn't be in his shoes, add that to Colledge reworking his skillset as best he could to play G, not practicing at T, then being thrown to the wolfs (jarrod Allen) and failing miserably, easy to see his confidense was shaken, not so much sticking up for Colledge, just understanding his mindset on this a little.

I used to think this way too. Then they inserted him at LT in the 2009 season when Cliffy was hurt. It was an abject disaster, and if I recall, Lang wound up filling in there much better than Colledge did.

We were both wrong Yoop. Maybe if he'd have been there as a rookie, but no longer. He sucks as a tackle. As a guard too, but that's a different issue. Good luck to Kolb, he's gonna need it.

[Yoop]

I used to think this way too. Then they inserted him at LT in the 2009 season when Cliffy was hurt. It was an abject disaster, and if I recall, Lang wound up filling in there much better than Colledge did.

We were both wrong Yoop. Maybe if he'd have been there as a rookie, but no longer. He sucks as a tackle. As a guard too, but that's a different issue. Good luck to Kolb, he's gonna need it.

agreed Retail, and basically that was my point, if he would have stayed at LT and allowed to groom there he may have ended up a decent LT, who knows for sure, but he was not drafted to play there, he was OK filling in for Cliffy on several occasions, but he lost that skillset over time concentrating more at G, where he was never destined to be real good one, team needs dictated Colledges career, they do with all players though, Colledge just could not make the switch.

same with Bulaga, I think he could be a starter at LT, make more money, however team needs have him at RT, and he will still be a good one, when in all actuality he could probably be a top 5 LG in this league with some time at it, course thats just my opinion though.

[RashanGary]

It sounds like Colledge was an undersized, under strength guard who got by on finesse and technique. I also read between the lines that he wasn't particularly liked. Wells is another guy who doesn't move people. He gets by on smarts and technique. But everyone likes Wells. He's a natural leader. Raji can destroy him, but I'll bet he never talks shit about him the way he did Colledge. Wells is also incredibly consistent where Colledge had lapses once or twice a game.

It seems like Lang is a stronger guy and everyone seems to like him a little more.

Whatever happened exactly, nobody knows, but Colledge is a decent guard, making decent money from a coach who knows OL play (Wisenhunt) Point is, he didn't suck, he's just not as good as what we have and TT talks about lockerroom guys. . . Seems like DC wasn't one of those. There might be a few reasons he's gone, but he'll be a 10 year starter in the NFL. Not bad for him.

[Patler]

It sounds like Colledge was an undersized, under strength guard who got by on finesse and technique. I also read between the lines that he wasn't particularly liked. Wells is another guy who doesn't move people. He gets by on smarts and technique. But everyone likes Wells. He's a natural leader. Raji can destroy him, but I'll bet he never talks shit about him the way he did Colledge. Wells is also incredibly consistent where Colledge had lapses once or twice a game.

It seems like Lang is a stronger guy and everyone seems to like him a little more.

Whatever happened exactly, nobody knows, but Colledge is a decent guard, making decent money from a coach who knows OL play (Wisenhunt) Point is, he didn't suck, he's just not as good as what we have and TT talks about lockerroom guys. . . Seems like DC wasn't one of those. There might be a few reasons he's gone, but he'll be a 10 year starter in the NFL. Not bad for him.

In some ways, Colledge has had a charmed career.
He was drafted into a situation that gave him every opportunity to start.
He underperformed regularly and often, but stayed healthy.
He was replaced numerous times due to poor play, but his replacements were injured and out within weeks.
He most likely would have lost his job to Bulaga in 2010, then Bulaga got hurt so Colledge held on.
When Bulaga recovered and could have challenged him, Tauscher went down and Bulaga had to move to RT.
GB wins the Super Bowl with Colledge as a starter just before Colledge hits free agency.

Now, he gets a $7.5M bonus on a $5+ million/year contract. He will be the starter for several years at least, unless he is absolutely awful. Availability means a lot, but that is about all that Colledge offers and as a result he is being paid more than his playing performance should merit.

[rbaloha1]

Colledge played it safe which allowed him to stay healthy and score the big contract. Maybe the result of being pussy whipped.

[rbaloha1]

That's some serious billboard material for when the Packers and Cards meet in the playoffs. Colledge will really bring it then!

LOL. A hyped-up Colledge results in penalties and mistakes.

[Smidgeon]

That's some serious billboard material for when the Packers and Cards meet in the playoffs. Colledge will really bring it then!

Playoffs for the Cards? :D

[rbaloha1]

Verba wasn't pussy whipped.

Never said he was.

[RashanGary]

In some ways, Colledge has had a charmed career.
He was drafted into a situation that gave him every opportunity to start.
He underperformed regularly and often, but stayed healthy.
He was replaced numerous times due to poor play, but his replacements were injured and out within weeks.
He most likely would have lost his job to Bulaga in 2010, then Bulaga got hurt so Colledge held on.
When Bulaga recovered and could have challenged him, Tauscher went down and Bulaga had to move to RT.
GB wins the Super Bowl with Colledge as a starter just before Colledge hits free agency.

Now, he gets a $7.5M bonus on a $5+ million/year contract. He will be the starter for several years at least, unless he is absolutely awful. Availability means a lot, but that is about all that Colledge offers and as a result he is being paid more than his playing performance should merit.



Yeah, you know more about OL play than Wisenhunt.

But yeah, the Packers seemed to always want to replace Colledge. He doesn't seem like he was liked much in the lockerroom. Those were some unusual comments from Raji and Pickett.

If I had to guess, I'd say Colledge's #1 quality was availability. Is #2 redeeming quality was that he was a functional starter at LG. Maybe there aren't as many of them as you think.

But who knows exactly what Colledge is as a player. None of us know-it-all. Well, except you, of course. You know it all. A lot like Colledge did.



Now, he gets a $7.5M bonus on a $5+ million/year contract. He will be the starter for several years at least, unless he is absolutely awful. Availability means a lot, but that is about all that Colledge offers and as a result he is being paid more than his playing performance should merit.

You have it all figured out, right down to the reasoning behind Arizona's contract offer and even the merit of it. Thanks for Patlerizing me. You really proved me wrong there.

The football know-it-all has spoken. [/thread] [/thread]

[Upnorth]

It suprises me to see how much he is making. I belive this year he would be a backup on our line, yet is making good money elsewhere.

[Patler]

Yeah, you know more about OL play than Wisenhunt.

But yeah, the Packers seemed to always want to replace Colledge. He doesn't seem like he was liked much in the lockerroom. Those were some unusual comments from Raji and Pickett.

If I had to guess, I'd say Colledge's #1 quality was availability. Is #2 redeeming quality was that he was a functional starter at LG. Maybe there aren't as many of them as you think.

But who knows exactly what Colledge is as a player. None of us know-it-all. Well, except you, of course. You know it all. A lot like Colledge did.



There's a Patler gem for ya. Yeah, Patler, you have it all figured out, right down to the reasoning behind Arizona's contract offer and even the merit of it. Thanks for Patlerizing me. You really proved me wrong there.

A little testy this morning, aren't you? I guess I should have said "In my opinion...." but I thought that was assumed, since neither you nor I really know a damn thing about running an NFL team and this is a fan site for opinions. :lol: :lol:

I don't have it anymore figured out than say, ...oh..., maybe you and most other fans. But I do have opinions just like, ...oh, maybe you and most other fans. You often give very strong opinions about the abilities and performances of players. Why are you so offended when I do? Just because I quoted you? I wasn't trying to "prove you wrong" I was merely trying to continue the discussion. Sometimes if I don't quote, intervening posts by others make it a bit disjointed. I was just offering a countering opinion.

Now to some of the specifics you raised:

Just because Whisenhunt is the coach, it doesn't mean he was the one who wanted Colledge. It could have been more the idea of Graves or even one of the Bidwells. I don't know who makes those decisions in Arizona. It wouldn't be MM in Green Bay, why does it have to be Whisenhunt in Arizona? For all we know, Whisenhunt may not even want Colledge, but has to deal with him.

Whisenhunt was a TE coach and an OC, does that make him infallible in judging every player on an O-line? Even if he does want Colledge and even if he was responsible for the contract, does that make him right and TT wrong? Apparently TT did not see a reason to offer a long term, relatively pricey contract for Colledge. In the end, either might be right or wrong.

(BTW - and this has little to do with our current discussion - Did you catch the snippet implying the Packers had been interested in Colledge on a deal, no longer than two years? That's the first I have seen about them maybe having had discussions with Colledge's agent. I thought it was kind of interesting.)

Besides, very skilled, knowledgeable and successful football professionals make mistakes all the time and overpay for players who don't earn it, or let talented players get away they later wish they had kept.

As to overpaying for Colledge, it has been discussed on here following an article in JSO or the GBPG last spring that the Packers would lose players because teams often overpay for the FAs of Super Bowl Champs. IN MY OPINION ( :wink: ) this may have happened with Colledge.

[Joemailman]

Playoffs for the Cards? :D

Take a look at their division. If Kolb is just decent, I think they win it.

[Fritz]

It may be that Lang is just a nastier, meaner football player, which the d-linemen see as an asset to the team.

[RashanGary]

I've seen this type of thread before. Start a topic without really sharing your opinion on it, just open the door. Then when someone makes a post about the topic you disagree with, you come with a list of evidence/context that is in stark contrast. More than actually saying anything, it discredits the post before.

The way it's done, it feels like the old, I gotchya bait and hook tactic. A direct post would have started with the topic opener and been followed by some thoughts and opinions on the matter. The timing of the whole list coincidentally ended in the classic "Patlerized" "I gotchya" routine. Either you just happen to be smarter than everyone else and you just happen to show people up in a way that has been affectionately titled, "patlerized." or you open these topics, wait for an opportunity and then pounce.

You probably don't even know you're doing it. Subconsciouses are a bitch that way. We have a funny way of chasing feelings that feel good and avoiding ones that feel bad, even if we don't know it. You seem to like that feeling of patlerizing people.

There are plenty of smart people here and across the web. Smart as you, smart as tacks. There aren't many of them who patlerize people on a regular basis.

Thing is, I never said anything about Colledge being worth his money or him being a good guard. Your post read like an, "I gotchya." I don't even know why you quoted me to share your thoughts and opinions on the matter. Those would have been equally effective to start the thread. But then you would have missed your "gotchya" opportunity.

[Bossman641]

And here I thought Patler just liked using stats to back his thoughts.

IMO, I didn't get the feeling he was trying to trap anyone at all.

Colledge is what he is, an average guard with certain warts (strength in run-blocking and occasional mental lapses). I still think people give him unfair criticism to an extent. A second round pick who will more than likely have a 8-10 year career as a starter certainly doesn't suck.

[bobblehead]

In some ways, Colledge has had a charmed career.
He was drafted into a situation that gave him every opportunity to start.
He underperformed regularly and often, but stayed healthy.
He was replaced numerous times due to poor play, but his replacements were injured and out within weeks.
He most likely would have lost his job to Bulaga in 2010, then Bulaga got hurt so Colledge held on.
When Bulaga recovered and could have challenged him, Tauscher went down and Bulaga had to move to RT.
GB wins the Super Bowl with Colledge as a starter just before Colledge hits free agency.

Now, he gets a $7.5M bonus on a $5+ million/year contract. He will be the starter for several years at least, unless he is absolutely awful. Availability means a lot, but that is about all that Colledge offers and as a result he is being paid more than his playing performance should merit.

If we were in FYI you would argue that people make their own "luck". Availability was Colleges strongest attribute and it was worth more than Jason Spitz's strength.

[bobblehead]

Colledge=Sherrod, both LT's in college, both tried at G when they arrived, the difference is a younger Clifton when Colledge got here versus a need now at LT since Cliffy is about to retire, reverse these two guy's and the time frame, and it's about the same thing, Colledge would have been a better tackle than he's ever been at G, however we needed G's when he got here, and I'am sure thats what Colledge is pissed about and has a resentment over, who wouldn't be in his shoes, add that to Colledge reworking his skillset as best he could to play G, not practicing at T, then being thrown to the wolfs (jarrod Allen) and failing miserably, easy to see his confidense was shaken, not so much sticking up for Colledge, just understanding his mindset on this a little.

I always thought Colleges best spot was RT. He was simply too small physically to play LT in the NFL. I figured that out after he played several games there. Sherrod is what? 330? Much bigger than DC, longer arms, moves like a LT, slides like an LT. DC never slid like Sherrod does.

[bobblehead]

And here I thought Patler just liked using stats to back his thoughts.

IMO, I didn't get the feeling he was trying to trap anyone at all.

Colledge is what he is, an average guard with certain warts (strength in run-blocking and occasional mental lapses). I still think people give him unfair criticism to an extent. A second round pick who will more than likely have a 8-10 year career as a starter certainly doesn't suck.

I agree JH overreacted a bit, but Patler did quote him and didn't actually offer any stats, just opinions...which I disagreed with for the most part. JH shouldn't take it personally, but then, we all do that at times.

[Patler]

If we were in FYI you would argue that people make their own "luck". Availability was Colleges strongest attribute and it was worth more than Jason Spitz's strength.

I agree with that, which is why I said "Availability means a lot..." I kind of thought that Spitz might have to sign a one or two year incentive laden contract, maybe even at minimum salary, just to prove that he was recovered from his surgery and could still play. He didn't show it last year with the Packers. He did a little better than I thought he might with his new contract, but not a lot at $1.5M/year.

My point with Colledge has nothing to do with what Spitz got. It seems to me that Colledge is being paid for both sides of the coin, availability and performance. In my opinion, his performance mitigates the advantages of his availability, because while he is there game after game, he doesn't perform that well.

I have always given Colledge credit for being available, but it just got to be uncanny that as soon as a player replaced or challenged Colledge's spot, that player went down for a few weeks. His being "charmed" was not so much his own health, but the timing of injuries to those who replaced him. Must be Voo Doo! Someone should check his locker for dolls with pins in them!

[Patler]

I've seen this type of thread before. Start a topic without really sharing your opinion on it, just open the door. Then when someone makes a post about the topic you disagree with, you come with a list of evidence/context that is in stark contrast. More than actually saying anything, it discredits the post before.

The way it's done, it feels like the old, I gotchya bait and hook tactic. A direct post would have started with the topic opener and been followed by some thoughts and opinions on the matter. The timing of the whole list coincidentally ended in the classic "Patlerized" "I gotchya" routine. Either you just happen to be smarter than everyone else and you just happen to show people up in a way that has been affectionately titled, "patlerized." or you open these topics, wait for an opportunity and then pounce.

You probably don't even know you're doing it. Subconsciouses are a bitch that way. We have a funny way of chasing feelings that feel good and avoiding ones that feel bad, even if we don't know it. You seem to like that feeling of patlerizing people.

There are plenty of smart people here and across the web. Smart as you, smart as tacks. There aren't many of them who patlerize people on a regular basis.

Thing is, I never said anything about Colledge being worth his money or him being a good guard. Your post read like an, "I gotchya." I don't even know why you quoted me to share your thoughts and opinions on the matter. Those would have been equally effective to start the thread. But then you would have missed your "gotchya" opportunity.

Apparently you are now a psychologist too, huh?. Do I have to pay you for that analysis?

I started the thread to share the link for the article with people. Nothing more. I thought it was interesting that former team mates would be as opinionated publicly as they were. That's why I mentioned it and quoted one comment about Lang and one about Colledge.

I really don't understand what you are so upset about. If you read your initial post and my response objectively, I was agreeing with your conclusions more than I was disagreeing, although I had a different perspective as to why things have turned out for Colledge the way they have. How could I have baited you when the entirety of my response was simply my opinion?

You seem to be upset because I quoted you. If I had written what I did without quoting you, would it be any different? As I said, I quoted you for continuity, not contradiction, because your comments brought to mind what I wrote, which was nothing but my opinions.

However, since quoting you has upset you so much (this isn't the first time), I will be sure to never do it again. If I can figure out how to do it, I will put you on "Ignore" so that I will not see your posts and can not quote them. A simple solution which should make things more pleasant for both of us.

[Lurker64]

I always thought Colleges best spot was RT. He was simply too small physically to play LT in the NFL. I figured that out after he played several games there. Sherrod is what? 330? Much bigger than DC, longer arms, moves like a LT, slides like an LT. DC never slid like Sherrod does.

Colledge looked really good at RT in that game where we played the 0-15 Lions. Then the next season we had the Right Tacklatastrophe with Barbre and Breno, and even when Colledge got snaps there he didn't look half as good as I thought I remembered him looking. Maybe that 0-16 Lions team was just bad, dunno.

[Joemailman]

Apparently you are now a psychologist too, huh?. Do I have to pay you for that analysis?

I started the thread to share the link for the article with people. Nothing more. I thought it was interesting that former team mates would be as opinionated publicly as they were. That's why I mentioned it and quoted one comment about Lang and one about Colledge.

I really don't understand what you are so upset about. If you read your initial post and my response objectively, I was agreeing with your conclusions more than I was disagreeing, although I had a different perspective as to why things have turned out for Colledge the way they have. How could I have baited you when the entirety of my response was simply my opinion?

You seem to be upset because I quoted you. If I had written what I did without quoting you, would it be any different? As I said, I quoted you for continuity, not contradiction, because your comments brought to mind what I wrote, which was nothing but my opinions.

However, since quoting you has upset you so much (this isn't the first time), I will be sure to never do it again. If I can figure out how to do it, I will put you on "Ignore" so that I will not see your posts and can not quote them. A simple solution which should make things more pleasant for both of us.

Justin is just having one of those days.

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?22248-Dont-drink-and-post!&p=596725&highlight=#post596725


Originally Posted by JustinHarrell
I don't drink any more. Turns out I'm mentally ill and incredibly unstable. But hey, it gives me personality / builds character I wouldn't trade it for the world. God put me here to shake things up.

[Zool]

I can't wait for the day Patler has had enough and tells someone to fuck off. JH is apparently off his meds or back on the bottle. He seems quite hurt about being contradicted in a rational and thought provoking manner. Maybe he needs to change his log on to Alex Green? Mad can you help a non-brotha out?

College is adequate.

[rbaloha1]

And here I thought Patler just liked using stats to back his thoughts.

IMO, I didn't get the feeling he was trying to trap anyone at all.

Colledge is what he is, an average guard with certain warts (strength in run-blocking and occasional mental lapses). I still think people give him unfair criticism to an extent. A second round pick who will more than likely have a 8-10 year career as a starter certainly doesn't suck.

Lets see what happens after DC collects the guaranteed money. Over inflated self that played well in his last season for the payday.

[rbaloha1]

It may be that Lang is just a nastier, meaner football player, which the d-linemen see as an asset to the team.

Expect improved running game.

[Yoop]

I always thought Colleges best spot was RT. He was simply too small physically to play LT in the NFL. I figured that out after he played several games there. Sherrod is what? 330? Much bigger than DC, longer arms, moves like a LT, slides like an LT. DC never slid like Sherrod does.

it's possible, but normally your RT is as big or bigger than the LT, course thats changed now some with the advent of the 34 popularity thruout the league with olb speed versus DE power which would be Colledges weak point, when Colledge got here he had Tackle feet and some decent skillset to match,but the only spot for him to play was G or C, and we needed both, it's hard to say if he could have been a starting T in this league, he never really got a chance when he got here to try, and obviously he lost what little skillset he had as the years past, oh well, shit happens. lol

[Fritz]

I agree with Bossman - Colledge is "an average guard with certain warts."

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[pbmax]

Holy Cow Fritz, that nearly brought up lunch.

Number 1 Colledge defender here and just a couple of points.

1. I forget which media narrative we are on right now, but Colledge was always a better run blocker than advertised and a worse pass blocker at Guard. I still remember him moving Fat Pat Williams out of the way and back on the goal line a few years ago. This does run contrary to McGinn's numbers, though I do have one partial explanation. He functioned OK in the zone blocking scheme. And contrary to something mentioned earlier, the Packers favored running left (both inside and outside zone) until Sitton came of age last year. And even when running right it was more traditional blocking schemes. However, the reason they ran zone left might have had more to do with their tackles than with Colledge (Tauscher was not the best cut off pursuit tackle, but Clifton was/is worse).

Pass blocking for Colledge was a mystery at times. He could be bull rushed, which was understandable as he wasn't built low like most guards and was quite tall. But he could also be beat by quickness, which should have been his strength and this happened often on T-E stunts, where he was late to pass off and then pick up the DE. I once saw the Bears run a stunt where they ran a twist and despite the fact that Colledge was already setup outside near Clifton, the DE scooted through that gap while Colledge completely whiffed his punch. In a way, you could see him take the time to think.

2. I can see Raji's point about him being a technician over a physical player and I think that caused him dismay over having to cover tackle as well. Clearly Colledge felt most comfortable with reps mainly at one spot. The two years he got that, rookie and 09, he played well. Last year was more of a mixed bag. Perhaps Bulaga being a threat threw him off.

3. Not sure I agree with injuries being fortuitous for Colledge. Barbre didn't lose a starting spot because of an injury, he lost it because he was outplayed. He was a better Guard than Tackle, but he became terrible when the pads went on. Bulaga, on the other hand, was simply a better player and built even better than Colledge for Guard. He did luck out on that one. When Sitton battled Spitz for the job, Spitz was not his old self and that injury was more than a year old.

4. I think Colledge would have had a chance to beat out Sherrod.

5. I am sure Lang is more of a bully and fiesty. But that doesn't make up for technique. He will need to be better than mean to compete versus the tackles he is going to face. Suh even made Sitton look average.

6. Essentially, we are arguing which side of average he belongs on. Packer fans feel he is below average. I think he was above it at Guard. I suspect Russ Grimm agrees with me, but we will see.

[HarveyWallbangers]

This is just not right.


I agree with Bossman - Colledge is "an average guard with certain warts."

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[Bossman641]

Fritz you earned some negative reputation with that picture.

[Lurker64]

Fritz, I would have gone with the "Indonesian Treeman" Dede Koswara for the joke. It's probably a little less gross.

You can click this link if you want to find out more, I won't link the picture: http://bodygeeks.com/2011/04/dede-koswara-the-forgotten-story-of-the-tree-man/

They're weird looking warts, but they are caused by the Human Papilomavirus (HPV).

[Smidgeon]

This is just not right.

Easy to tell it's CGI ish.