We're 4-0, stop bitching!!!

[Iron Mike]

That's all. :)

[Upnorth]

4-0 is awesome, We ARE JUST OVER 1/5 of the way to a perfect season.

[MJZiggy]

I remember when we used to complain that we couldn't find a way to win. I think we found one. (or two.)

[Lurker64]

4-0 is awesome, We at 1/5 of the way to a perfect season.

I think if we go 16-0, we'll get a bye week... so the best we could do is 19-0.

[Guiness]

Am I allowed to bitch about the DL???? lol

Saw an article and Jenkins doesn't seem very happy at all. Said the Eagles weren't 'mentally tough. Maybe we can trade for him! I know, I know, midseason trades never happen.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/31180/eagles-dream-team-may-not-wake-up

[mission]

But why can't we have the world's greatest defense AND the world's greatest offense?!?!

[AtlPackFan]

But why can't we have the world's greatest defense AND the world's greatest offense?!?!

I would settle for a good defense.

[denverYooper]

But why can't we have the world's greatest defense AND the world's greatest offense?!?!

We almost did once. It didn't end well...

[rbaloha1]

Its sure nice considering the average/poor secondary play.

[denverYooper]

I think this team has a great chance at repeating.

That said, their pass rush is a major weakness for that team right now and could hurt them against a dangerous arm at some point.

[MadtownPacker]

Last year several where bitching about the offense having issues. As long as the winning continues it doesn't matter to me.

[denverYooper]

Its sure nice considering the average/poor secondary play.

Thing is, you can probably count the number of better secondaries right now on one hand...

[Upnorth]

In terms of take aways we are the best, but the takeaways come at the expense of big plays. That is not sustainable in the postseason. I realize it is a long way away and we need to play 12 more games, however when going against teams with better def and off we can't expect turnovers. With that mentality you can expect to give up big plays.

Sorry for bitchin where i'm not supposed to bitch. Maybe I am surley about the lions and bears games

[gbgary]

if you remember last year the d had a much better second half of the season. the same thing may happen this year.

[rbaloha1]

Thing is, you can probably count the number of better secondaries right now on one hand...

Not currently. The secondary is minus Collins and given up more explosive plays (20 yards plus) than any NFL team.

Anytime Jarrett Bush is on the verge of starting its a concern.

[rbaloha1]

Last year several where bitching about the offense having issues. As long as the winning continues it doesn't matter to me.

Thank goodness you are not part of the coaching staff.

[rbaloha1]

if you remember last year the d had a much better second half of the season. the same thing may happen this year.

True. Can not expect the offense to continually play unbelievable.

[MJZiggy]

True. Can not expect the offense to continually play unbelievable.

I think Rodgers does...

[mission]

True. Can not expect the offense to continually play unbelievable.

I'm not sure why not. They're executing, not playing above their head.

It's hardly "unbelievable" -- there's nothing I've seen in the first four weeks that I couldn't believe.

[Cheesehead Craig]

We're 4-0, stop bitching!!!

That's all. :)

You stop bitching about our bitching you bitch!

[rbaloha1]

I'm not sure why not. They're executing, not playing above their head.

It's hardly "unbelievable" -- there's nothing I've seen in the first four weeks that I couldn't believe.

Sometime this season the offense shall sputter and the defense has to win the game.

No high scoring offense with a poor defense has won a super bowl (i.e. Chargers, run and shoot offenses and Patriots).

[rbaloha1]

I'm not sure why not. They're executing, not playing above their head.

It's hardly "unbelievable" -- there's nothing I've seen in the first four weeks that I couldn't believe.

AR just set a record THAT NO ONE HAS EVER ACCOMPLISHED. Should not expect every weekend.

[rbaloha1]

I think Rodgers does...

6 tds every week -- c'mon.

[pbmax]

Sometime this season the offense shall sputter and the defense has to win the game.

No high scoring offense with a poor defense has won a super bowl (i.e. Chargers, run and shoot offenses and Patriots).

Colts? They played three good defensive games and they were all in the playoffs. Its all timing.

And the Packers are four games into the season. The defense will not be the same as it is now for Week 17.

[RashanGary]

I'm proud of McCarthy. This is the first year since 2007 that we've come out of the gates on fire. There's none of that bumbling and stumbling on offense. It seems like year after year they struggle, then when their backs are against the wall, they talk about simplifying things and it all takes off. For whatever reason, they're ready right now.

[gbpackfan]

Some people are never happy. The other 31 teams have really good football players too, that is why they are called professionals. We thrashed the Broncos today. Use every game as an opportunity to improve, but Packer fans should not be complaining. We are a very, very good team. Enjoy the ride.

[rbaloha1]

Colts? They played three good defensive games and they were all in the playoffs. Its all timing.

And the Packers are four games into the season. The defense will not be the same as it is now for Week 17.

I think you are right.

[rbaloha1]

I'm proud of McCarthy. This is the first year since 2007 that we've come out of the gates on fire. There's none of that bumbling and stumbling on offense. It seems like year after year they struggle, then when their backs are against the wall, they talk about simplifying things and it all takes off. For whatever reason, they're ready right now.

True -- offense is smoking. Just trying to be realistic that to expect this type of offensive performance every week is ridiculous. No bitching here.

[MadtownPacker]

Thank goodness you are not part of the coaching staff.
Wow you really got me there. Maybe if you where on the coaching staff things would be better?

[MadtownPacker]

And the Packers are four games into the season.t The defense will not be the same as it is now for Week 17.
Exactly, but until then some posters made need diapers in case they shit themselves.

[Iron Mike]

You stop bitching about our bitching you bitch!

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!! :)

[Ballboy]

Someone earlier mentioned that we are close to having Bush starting and thats not a good thing.

Well, I've actually been wishing he would start.....at safety. One good thing he does is blitz. With the DL getting nothing, I would like to see both Woodson and Bush getting off the edge, just to try and creat something. Neither Peprah or Burnett has been used that way which I can only guess is a coaching decision.

I'm very happy we are 4-0....this week will be interesting. Atlanta's record doesn't seem like much, but this will on paper seem like a great test for the Packers. The defense will have to step up.

[Pugger]

Not currently. The secondary is minus Collins and given up more explosive plays (20 yards plus) than any NFL team.

Anytime Jarrett Bush is on the verge of starting its a concern.

Of course we were giving up big yards before Collins got hurt. :-(

[pbmax]

We need a photoshop of Jarret Bush in a glass case, "Break In Case of Emergency".

[Pugger]

Some people are never happy. The other 31 teams have really good football players too, that is why they are called professionals. We thrashed the Broncos today. Use every game as an opportunity to improve, but Packer fans should not be complaining. We are a very, very good team. Enjoy the ride.

We should all enjoy the ride. Our D has issues but EVERY team has issues. If you listen to the national media guys they sing Rodgers praises and nary a word about our D.

[rbaloha1]

Wow you really got me there. Maybe if you where on the coaching staff things would be better?

Oh yeah -- I forgot -- you are the wanna be comedian on the board. I shall notify Chuck Lorre about your credentials.

[rbaloha1]

We should all enjoy the ride. Our D has issues but EVERY team has issues. If you listen to the national media guys they sing Rodgers praises and nary a word about our D.

Okay the packers are super bowl champs after 4 games.

[ThunderDan]

The only thing to really bitch about yesterday was the 45 minute line to get into the stadium. We got in line at 2 and got into the stadium at 2:45. Glad we didn't wait until the usual 25 minutes before kickoff.

[Joemailman]

Okay the packers are super bowl champs after 4 games.

No, but the previous 7 times they've started 4-0, they have won the title.

[rbaloha1]

No, but the previous 7 times they've started 4-0, they have won the title.

7 out of 46 = 15.2 %. Go ahead and crown the Packers.

[ThunderDan]

7 out of 46 = 15.2 %. Go ahead and crown the Packers.

7 of 7 is 100%.

[K-town]

No, but the previous 7 times they've started 4-0, they have won the title.

I seem to remember them starting 4 and 0 in 1999. I believe they finished the season 8-8. This 2011 team is better than that 1999 team. But I'm not penciling them in for the Super Bowl just yet.

[ThunderDan]

I seem to remember them starting 4 and 0 in 1999. I believe they finished the season 8-8. This 2011 team is better than that 1999 team. But I'm not penciling them in for the Super Bowl just yet.

Nope, we lost to DET in week 2.

[rbaloha1]

7 of 7 is 100%.


The Detroit Lions love you!

[ThunderDan]

No, but the previous 7 times they've started 4-0, they have won the title.


The Detroit Lions love you!

Joe was talking about the Packers starting 4-0 in the past not about any other team.

[rbaloha1]

Joe was talking about the Packers starting 4-0 in the past not about any other team.

Have the Packers won 7 super bowls?

[ThunderDan]

Have the Packers won 7 super bowls?

Did he say "Super Bowls" or titles?

[mraynrand]

I seem to remember them starting 4 and 0 in 1999. I believe they finished the season 8-8. This 2011 team is better than that 1999 team. But I'm not penciling them in for the Super Bowl just yet.


Hey they did win their final game 49-24 over Arizona. Bring back De'Mond Parker!

[Joemailman]

Have the Packers won 7 super bowls?

No. Not yet. Perhaps you didn't know there were NFL titles before there were Super Bowls. Let me be clear. 7 times previously the Packers have started 4-0. Every time they have won the NFL Title. That included the first Super Bowl.

[rbaloha1]

No. Not yet. Perhaps you didn't know there were NFL titles before there were Super Bowls. Let me be clear. 7 times previously the Packers have started 4-0. Every time they have won the NFL Title. That included the first Super Bowl.

Okay if you want to use acme packers data to support your thesis be my guest. Since you are great historian how many other super bowl champions started 4-0? During the super bowl era -- what was the final result of 4-0 teams. Didn't the broncos started 4-0 last season?

[ThunderDan]

Okay if you want to use acme packers data to support your thesis be my guest. Since you are great historian how many other super bowl champions started 4-0? During the super bowl era -- what was the final result of 4-0 teams. Didn't the broncos started 4-0 last season?

Do you consider records by Babe Ruth in baseball relavent? World Series Championships before the 1960s? Any NHL games when it was the original 6 teams?

[rbaloha1]

Do you consider records by Babe Ruth in baseball relavent? World Series Championships before the 1960s? Any NHL games when it was the original 6 teams?

know nothing about baseball and hockey. lets examine the super bowl era and see the statistical significance of 4-0 with winning a super bowl.

Making the playoffs is very high -- the Packers are almost assured a playoff spot.

[ThunderDan]

Just five of the last 20 Super Bowl champions started the next season 4-0. Two of them, New England in 2004 and Denver in 1998, also were the last two teams to repeat as champions.

From Bossman's post in the GC.

[rbaloha1]

Just five of the last 20 Super Bowl champions started the next season 4-0. Two of them, New England in 2004 and Denver in 1998, also were the last two teams to repeat as champions.

From Bossman's post in the GC.


Okay good stuff - 2/5 40%. Now go place your bold bet on the Packers.

[AtlPackFan]

Post has become a bit contentious, has it not? I think rbaloha1's point (which I share) is simply that at this point the D is a concern but I believe we all have faith in Dom and believe that it will be fixed...somehow.

[Zool]

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk127/fireandashes36/heatsmyballs.jpg

[bobblehead]

Colts? They played three good defensive games and they were all in the playoffs. Its all timing.

And the Packers are four games into the season. The defense will not be the same as it is now for Week 17.

Those games coincided with Bob Sanders being healthy. IMO bob is the best run defending safety I have ever watched. He is sick. CWood is probably second (distant). That colts D went from bleeding rushing yards all season long to Bob Sanders being a run stopping stud that transformed the D in the playoffs.

So you are correct, but the timing wasn't a coincidence.

[rbaloha1]

Post has become a bit contentious, has it not? I think rbaloha1's point (which I share) is simply that at this point the D is a concern but I believe we all have faith in Dom and believe that it will be fixed...somehow.

Mahalo Braddah!

[rbaloha1]

Those games coincided with Bob Sanders being healthy. IMO bob is the best run defending safety I have ever watched. He is sick. CWood is probably second (distant). That colts D went from bleeding rushing yards all season long to Bob Sanders being a run stopping stud that transformed the D in the playoffs.

So you are correct, but the timing wasn't a coincidence.

Exactly! Maybe the Colts do not win without Sanders -- defense improved big time.

[Pugger]

Okay the packers are super bowl champs after 4 games.

Who's saying we are SB champs after 4 games? Do we have issues on D? Yes. Am I wringing my hands over it? No.

[pbmax]

Those games coincided with Bob Sanders being healthy. IMO bob is the best run defending safety I have ever watched. He is sick. CWood is probably second (distant). That colts D went from bleeding rushing yards all season long to Bob Sanders being a run stopping stud that transformed the D in the playoffs.

So you are correct, but the timing wasn't a coincidence.

Yep. But Bob, as good as he was, was also around for some stunning D collapses in the playoffs as well. So I am sure he helped, but there had to be help elsewhere. And none of it looked likely before the end of the season.

I am not sure Neal or So'oto are the Packers answer to Bob Sanders, but I hope they can plug some holes in the dam.

[Guiness]

I would settle for a good defense.

wow did you ever channel your avatar with that comment :lol:

[rbaloha1]

Yep. But Bob, as good as he was, was also around for some stunning D collapses in the playoffs as well. So I am sure he helped, but there had to be help elsewhere. And none of it looked likely before the end of the season.

I am not sure Neal or So'oto are the Packers answer to Bob Sanders, but I hope they can plug some holes in the dam.

They are not. Current players need to play better.

[Brandon494]

The are not the only team that are struggling on defense right now, its happening all over the league. The lack of training camp and OTAs is the reason for the slow start. Our defense will be fine by seasons end and So'oto coming back will help our pass rush more than you think.

[Joemailman]

Packers are 28th in total defense if you just look at yards, but 18th in scoring defense. Not great, but not horrible either. I think there's a much better chance they'll get better than there is that they'll get worse. The pass rush should get better when they get Neal, Zombo and So'oto back. The secondary still seems a bit out of sync. Safeties not always in a position to give help that CB's seem to be expecting. The talent is there for this to get rectified as the season progresses.

[Upnorth]

Packers are 28th in total defense if you just look at yards, but 18th in scoring defense. Not great, but not horrible either. I think there's a much better chance they'll get better than there is that they'll get worse. The pass rush should get better when they get Neal, Zombo and So'oto back. The secondary still seems a bit out of sync. Safeties not always in a position to give help that CB's seem to be expecting. The talent is there for this to get rectified as the season progresses.

We gave up a lot of points to NO and way too many to Car. Chi and Den are aren't good on o, so our d looked good.
Against bad to mid level offense, our d will prevail and make alot of picks. However against a high powered team like NO or NE, our d won't slow them This problem needs to be fixed.

[rbaloha1]

The are not the only team that are struggling on defense right now, its happening all over the league. The lack of training camp and OTAs is the reason for the slow start. Our defense will be fine by seasons end and So'oto coming back will help our pass rush more than you think.

Why are the offenses in sync?