OFFICIAL GREEN BAY PACKERS vs TAMPA BAY BUCS GAMEDAY THREAD

[red]

Finley not having a good day.

how bout now?

[Guiness]

that pass was all kinds of smart.

Right back to Finley, show him he's got confidence after that penalty.

[gbgary]

cobbed

[pittstang5]

I'm sick of this running the the outside shit. Run it up the middle

[Packers4Glory]

lets get Finley a ball in the endzone now.

[Packers4Glory]

I'm sick of this running the the outside shit. Run it up the middle

yeah IDK why we don't run between Sitton and Bulaga instead of outside.

[Guiness]

Is Hayesworth in? I couldn't tell if that was 82 or 92 playing DT.

[gbgary]

nice

[red]

wisconsin marching band there, that should fire up the crowd at halftime

[pbmax]

Burned Talib again. :lol:

[pittstang5]

That was beautiful. Threw the heater and Nelson was in, in a blink of an eye!

[pbmax]

wisconsin marching band there, that should fire up the crowd at halftime

The Badgers should play some of the band on defense then.

[pittstang5]

Is Hayesworth in? I couldn't tell if that was 82 or 92 playing DT.

I think he's 95...not sure though. He did get hurt earlier and I don't know if he came back in.

[George Cumby]

cobbed

I like how he runs angry.

[Guiness]

Love the way Nelson put his head down and bowled into that DB.

[gbgary]

oak killing minn, car up on det, mia killing buff, bal up on cin, dal up on wsh

[Guiness]

I think he's 95...not sure though. He did get hurt earlier and I don't know if he came back in.

Sportsline tells me 92.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/302201/albert-haynesworth

[pittstang5]

Sportsline tells me 92.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/302201/albert-haynesworth

Ok, but he was hurt

[gbgary]

come on...tampa isn't a deep threat. cover that underneath shit.

[pittstang5]

F'n Tight Ends up the middle!! Think they would learn

[KalamazooPackerFan]

C'mon defense.......someday we're not going to score every drive to save your ass!

[Packers4Glory]

can we find anyone who can cover a TE?

[gbgary]

int time

[pittstang5]

Need a Turn over here

[Guiness]

Ok, but he was hurt

ya, I know, but I saw someone at DT with a number ending in 2...

Just saw that Winslow is 82. Was Haynesworth back in???

[pittstang5]

But we need pressure more

[gbgary]

tw!!!!

[KalamazooPackerFan]

int time

nice call

[pittstang5]

Love it, Let's get at least three here

[pittstang5]

Great, Finley down now.

[Iron Mike]

J Mike = James Jones :(

[red]

Fuck, finley hurt. lets hope he just got the wind knocked out of him

[KalamazooPackerFan]

where's the PI call! Totally had him hooked.

[gbgary]

he's ok...air knocked out of him

[Packers4Glory]

nice interference. I guess its ok to hold the receivers arm so they can only use one hand.

[wootah]

the guy landed with his whole weight on Finley's elbow it seems

[pittstang5]

Jennings got up slow too. WTF!

[pbmax]

Great. Two throws, injuries to Finley and Jennings.

[gbgary]

nice call

:tup:

[pbmax]

I think it was Finley's arm, not wind knocked out of him. Maybe both? Seemed to be holding arm I thought.

[gbgary]

the guy landed with his whole weight on Finley's elbow it seems

yup. on replay...hyper extended some.

[gbgary]

wash up on dal...lol

[pbmax]

The Sex Cannon is playing well.

[Packers4Glory]

yaaay great Terry Bradshaw highlight time!

Raisins up on Cincy

[gbgary]

yaaay great Terry Bradshaw highlight time!

except for the terry bradshaw part

[George Cumby]

except for the terry bradshaw part

hehehe

[Teamcheez1]

Defense is back to its old tricks this game. Poor tackling and very soft pass coverage.

We were lucky the punt wasn't blocked earlier, and TB blew the onsides kick, otherwise we may be looking at a very different score at halftime.

[pbmax]

Defense is back to its old tricks this game. Poor tackling and very soft pass coverage.

We were lucky the punt wasn't blocked earlier, and TB blew the onsides kick, otherwise we may be looking at a very different score at halftime.

Not exactly the same. Capers is blitzing five and they are playing a lot of zone. Though at least one Winslow catch and run on the last drive was on man coverage.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Glad to be starting with the ball. Did we win the flip and defer?

[KalamazooPackerFan]

I LOVE it when DD makes the play!

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Hey, where'd everybody go?

[pbmax]

Bulaga limping

[pbmax]

Wells whiffed or just let him go and got no help.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Bad, bad blocking. Wells got totally fooled and Lang was late to help.

[red]

great start to the half by the o-line

[Teamcheez1]

The O-line is playing very average today. Without Rodger's mobility we would be in a lot of trouble.

[red]

Hey, where'd everybody go?

most of us take off at halftime to piss out all the beer we've already drank and to refill with fresh stuff

[pbmax]

Wells made a late line call/point and I wonder if Lang didn't get it. It was a 3 man D line and Lang was watching outside of Left Tackle.

[pbmax]

Delayed route across the middle against the blitz. Seeing it more and more.

EDIT: Not a delayed route. Just a crossing route against man coverage on a blitz of six. No one to help in coverage in middle.

[Bretsky]

i did too.

if we had that draft to do over again, with a chance to draft aikman, i'd still draft manderich


Well you are a moron :)

Pick #3 was Barry Sanders
Pick #4 was Derrick thomas
Pick #5 was Neon D Sanders

Still want Manarich ??

[pbmax]

Great call on Wood blitz.

[Packers4Glory]

this defense is turnover or bust.

they are going to cost this team a game in the playoffs.

[pittstang5]

What the hell is going on here? I go out for half time, expecting to see another score...and now the bucs are in the red zone. C'mon D!

[George Cumby]

Christ.

[Teamcheez1]

This defense blows. Playing lost the whole game so far.

[red]

this defense is turnover or bust.

they are going to cost this team a game in the playoffs.

completely agree with that

[pittstang5]

Piss poor D!

[pittstang5]

Let's GO!

[pbmax]

OPI

[pittstang5]

Shields on Winslow..Bucs had the right match up.

[red]

Well you are a moron :)

Pick #3 was Barry Sanders
Pick #4 was Derrick thomas
Pick #5 was Neon D Sanders

Still want Manarich ??

oh piss off, i'd rather have manadrich over aikman

i'd take any of the other 3 over those 2.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Lucky call for us. Probably happens alot more than is called.

[pbmax]

No catch.

[Packers4Glory]

my 1st Mike Neal sighting of the yr. I'm sure he played earlier but hadn't really noticed.

[Packers4Glory]

time for the offense to answer their 3 w/ 7 of our own.

[pittstang5]

Need a long sustained drive here. D looked good very early, now is nowhere to be found

[Brando19]

How has neal looked today?

[pittstang5]

How has neal looked today?

Unnoticable....like the rest of the D

[pbmax]

Cobb now officially has a problem with his attention on the ball while on returns.

[pbmax]

Unnoticable....like the rest of the D

He has had two nice bull rushes that I have seen which is better than we have had previously. But he hasn't gotten home.

[pittstang5]

Cobb now officially has a problem with his attention on the ball while on returns.

Fire slocum?

[pittstang5]

UH!!

[pittstang5]

Oh Come on now

[pbmax]

Two off target throws.

[red]

well, a rod is having an off game, and no one else is stepping up

[pittstang5]

Thank you Driver

[gbgary]

tb's made what...three or four plays. a few blount runs and couple of passes? i don't think the d's been that bad as a whole.

[pbmax]

Driver is bailing out the offense in the last quarter. Go DD!

[gbgary]

det came back on car. dang it.

[pbmax]

That is the run you make with Grant. Nice call and execution

[pittstang5]

Hey, a run up the middle....positive yardage.....

[George Cumby]

The Old Pro.

[pittstang5]

Then follow it up with that shit.

[pbmax]

Tampa baited Rodgers to run it right.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Stop running that play, dammit. Hasnt worked yet.

[red]

THAT PLAY DOESN"T FUCKING WORK

how many times are we gonna run that dumb fucking thing?

[pittstang5]

Wow, what is going on here?

[pbmax]

Jennings was open

[Packers4Glory]

ut oh. offense stalling this half.

[pbmax]

THAT PLAY DOESN"T FUCKING WORK

how many times are we gonna run that dumb fucking thing?

It was an audible

[red]

fuck you jerret bush, you can't even do that right

[pittstang5]

THAT PLAY DOESN"T FUCKING WORK

how many times are we gonna run that dumb fucking thing?

I know. I want to reach through the damn TV and Strangle McCarthy for continuing to call that shit.

[red]

It was an audible

take it out of the playbook

[pittstang5]

Rogers looks off. D is worse than a sieve today - can't tackle. I don't like this.

[pittstang5]

take it out of the playbook

With ya there.

[pittstang5]

Need Pressure there

[pbmax]

take it out of the playbook

Actually, I am not sure. His gesture was either run/pass option kind of thing or a protection call.

[red]

how are we undefeated with a defense this worthless?

[red]

absolutely worthless

[pbmax]

Pass when they are in base, run when they are in nickel?

[pittstang5]

PRESSURE!!!!!!!!! COme ON!!!!

[Packers4Glory]

oh wow a TE running wide open? that almost never happens to this defense.

[George Cumby]

I am simply flabbergasted.

We should be clubbing these guys like a baby harp seal.

[pbmax]

Pass when they are in base, run when they are in nickel?

It was on that play.

[pittstang5]

GOD, even on a busted play they get two yards. Why can't we do that?

[RashanGary]

Brad Jones was held. Maybe it's time to rest Matthews. I know he could probably play, but he's not helping the team right now. Let him get healthy.

[Teamcheez1]

What defense? Guys are running free everywhere in the secondary.

[pittstang5]

D needs to tighten up. This is pathetic!

[pittstang5]

Suck it up! Let's go D!!!

[RashanGary]

I saw Neal on a couple plays early. It's a good idea to start him slow. I just hope that's what it is, not that he had problems with health.

[pbmax]

3 man line. Bucs will pass

[pbmax]

3 man line. Bucs will pass

3 for 3 so far.

[gbgary]

why is the underneath shit still open? dammit!!

[red]

DO we even try to cover TE's?

[Teamcheez1]

Can we cover anybody?

[pbmax]

2 man line means run

[pittstang5]

GOD DAMN IT. No pressure, no pressure what's so ever. You give anybody all day back there, they'll find the open man. Somebody has to make a play here.

[pbmax]

2 man line means run

Eh. It was a three man line. Pass 4 for 4

[Packers4Glory]

if a team lined up 5 TE..the QB wouldn't know which one to throw to. they'd all be running wild and free

[pbmax]

2 man line


Run. 5 for 5

[pbmax]

Peprah fell down in zone coverage

[pbmax]

2 man line

and a pass breaks the streak.

[gbgary]

dammit

[pittstang5]

Give me a fucking break. How long was that drive. 85 yards or more. PATHETIC!!!!

[RashanGary]

We're playing afraid of the deep ball. Everything they complete is underneath. Freeman has really been steady. Play after play after play. . . . Pressure is a problem, but credit to him, he's accurate and knows where to go with the ball.

[Packers4Glory]

terrible

[gbgary]

whew

[pbmax]

What is wrong with the turf? Everyone is slipping.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

With the luck we have on our side we should be stomping these guys!

[pittstang5]

WHY THE FUCK WAS BISHOP ON WINSLOW! GOD, WTF!!!!

[Teamcheez1]

I can't stop laughing at how bad this defense is today?

Bishop falls down and TB still blows it.

[Fred's Slacks]

What is it about Tampa that brings out our worst?

[pbmax]

We're playing afraid of the deep ball. Everything they complete is underneath. Freeman has really been steady. Play after play after play. . . . Pressure is a problem, but credit to him, he's accurate and knows where to go with the ball.

They are playing deep when they blitz in mostly zone.

When they rush 3 they are in man and people are getting open as they have all year with no rush.

[gbgary]

gotta get a td now and the d has to get tough.

[pittstang5]

Can't even get a decent return. O sucks, D Sucks, Sp Teams always suck. We lose

[pittstang5]

Retarded. simply retarded

[gbgary]

good protection and that's all there was?

[RashanGary]

Weird year on defense. Last year it was a ton of that single safety high with man outside a lot of extra coverage inside on the zones. This year they're playing really different. A lot of zone corner and not a lot of single safety. Other than Woodson, Matthews and Hawk, our guys just don't play zone well

[pittstang5]

Have to keep moving the chains here.

[gbgary]

come on Pack!

[pittstang5]

Gotta break there, but doesn't excuse the bad play on offense.

[pbmax]

GO STARKS

[pittstang5]

I can't believe that's all they have is those swing out passes. Dink and dunk here

[pbmax]

Weird year on defense. Last year it was a ton of that single safety high with man outside a lot of extra coverage inside on the zones. This year they're playing really different. A lot of zone corner and not a lot of single safety. Other than Woodson, Matthews and Hawk, our guys just don't play zone well

Zone on corner is common when they blitz five or more. Which is what they are doing the last two weeks.

[gbgary]

nice...but something downfield would be nice. guys have to get open.

[gbgary]

nice game from DD so far.

[pbmax]

Tampa is being physical with the receivers. First half they were grabbing arms. Now they have grabbed a waist twice in a row.

[pittstang5]

Shut up Aikman!

[pbmax]

Starks and Driver baby

[gbgary]

come on troy...he cut off his route.

[RashanGary]

Zone on corner is common when they blitz five or more. Which is what they are doing the last two weeks.

We played a ton of man with one safety when we blitzed last year. Those corners and Collins could lock it down. Other teams mostly zone blitz, yeah. Us last year, no. We had the horses.

[pbmax]

Starks!!

[gbgary]

a blount-like run from starks

[red]

at least starks wants to win

[pittstang5]

That's what I want to see. An Angry Starks, just runnung over everyone

[pbmax]

Haynesworth whiffed on a backfield shot

[pittstang5]

Come on now, settle down

[gbgary]

shit...come on Pack!!

[pittstang5]

Shut up Joe Buck

[pbmax]

We played a ton of man with one safety blitzing last year. Those corners and Collins could lock it down. Other teams mostly zone blitz, yeah. Us last year, no. We had the horses.

Yes, but that is one safety coming OR playing in the middle. When they truly send more than 4, zone is more common, though not exclusive.

[pbmax]

Starting to see how Tampa has matched up in pass coverage fter a Packer fast start

[pbmax]

KUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHNNN!

[gbgary]

needed that!!

[pittstang5]

KUHN!

[RashanGary]

Yes, but that is one safety coming OR playing in the middle. When they truly send more than 4, zone is more common, though not exclusive.

Not last year. We blitzed with man outside and Collins single over the top. This year, Capers isn't doing it.

Last year both.
This year almost all zone.

When we do man up, we've been torched over the top. Capers just stopped doing it. This isn't working either. Might have to do both equally shitty, at least there's an element of surprise there.

[pbmax]

I wonder what McCarthy saw on film that caused him to run so much to the outside. They have had success running inside

[gbgary]

mvp today so far is the yellow flag. ;)

[Iron Mike]

KUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHN!!!!!!!

[pittstang5]

needed that!!

Yes. Now the D needs to feed off that energy and hit them in the mouth.

[pbmax]

Not last year. We blitzed with man outside and Collins single over the top. This year, Capers isn't doing it.

Last year both.
This year almost all zone.

Maybe, but the Packers did not blitz Peprah much. So I am not sure what kind of pressure you remember,

[pittstang5]

Another good return by the opposing team after the Packers get rolling. Typical!

[George Cumby]

Righteous flags helpin the O out.

It seems like we are getting the calls that we didn't used to get, though.

[gbgary]

Righteous flags helpin the O out.

It seems like we are getting the calls that we didn't used to get, though.

ugh! now you've done it. :/

[pbmax]

Theory: Mike Neal and So'oto will solve D woes.

Evidence collected today: Not so much,

[RashanGary]

Maybe, but the Packers did not blitz Peprah much. So I am not sure what kind of pressure you remember,

The played man outside with single safety high. Peprah was an extra mid zone defender. This year they're balancing the two safeties deep, and allzone outside. I think Collins range allowed them to do some unique things.

With the two safeties sharing the deep responsibility, it's leaving the inside wide open. Our corners are better at man. This 90% zone blitz thing is playing away from our corners strengths.

[pittstang5]

Can somebody knock Blount the fuck out when he jumps like that...PLEASE!

[pbmax]

Tramontana finally makes a play

[pittstang5]

Watch the fake!

[gbgary]

cobbed

[pittstang5]

Fucking flag!

[Packers4Glory]

go for the jugular now. TD ends this.

[pbmax]

Why touch the guy James?

[rdanomly]

Can it be a block in the back if it actually lead to the tackle that stopped the play?

[pittstang5]

Jones fucking up special teams now. Has he reached Pat Lee or Jarrett Bush status yet

[gbgary]

he touched him...that's not a block. still great field position.

[Iron Mike]

Jones is having an awesome game so far....does he think he's playing Chicago???

[Packers4Glory]

wow he touched him..throw the flag.

guess I shouldn't complain but that was pretty lame.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

what a cheap ass penalty! Jones has to know better than to do that!

[pbmax]

The played man outside with single safety high. Peprah was an extra mid zone defender. This year they're balancing the two safeties deep, and allzone outside. I think Collins range allowed them to do some unique things.

They are not playing two safeties deep on many blitzes (meaning 5 man) that I have seen, but I could be missing it.

[gbgary]

Jones is having an awesome game so far....does he think he's playing Chicago???

has jenning been shut out too?

[pbmax]

Rodgers, what was that?

[pittstang5]

FUCK YOU JONES. and the play call, why are we not running it. God, that was fucking retarded

[KalamazooPackerFan]

C'mon Jones, you got to fight that guy off!

[gbgary]

another sideways pass. just not going downfield today.

[pittstang5]

You just let them back into the game. They score on this drive now. Momentum has shifted

[pbmax]

That two point attempt looks dumb now.

[RashanGary]

It's a combo of two safety and soft outside coverage to prevent big plays over the top. Last year we could straight man up, jump routes and Collins locked down the deep middle.

[pbmax]

Burnett was in the middle on that blitz

[pittstang5]

Turn your fucking head around....what the fuck is wrong with these goddamn CBS today. Jesus fucking christ.

[George Cumby]

Well. This is the off day for Rodgers that can lead to a loss.

Pick it up, D.

[pbmax]

It was a catch, but what was the penalty?

[gbgary]

ouch

[pittstang5]

aRE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS!!!!

[RashanGary]

I can just picture Collins there breaking that up or destroying the WR and forcing a drop. Damn, we miss Collins.

[red]

fucking pathetic

who's the db's coach? all these guys have regressed big time

[KalamazooPackerFan]

This game is the best example of how much we miss Nick Collins.

[Packers4Glory]

why do these assholes just abandon their assignments and let guys go on the goal line? Pep is so far out of the play anyway that there is no point in not sticking w/ your guy.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

I can just picture Collins there breaking that up or destroying the WR and forcing a drop. Damn, we miss Collins.

Yeah, what he said.

[pbmax]

It's a combo of two safety and soft outside coverage to prevent big plays over the top. Last year we could straight man up, jump routes and Collins locked down the deep middle.

I know what you are saying. But I am not seeing them together.

[RashanGary]

Burnett was in the middle on that blitz

And they got torched. Yet another reason why you'll see less and less of it. It's not the same defense, PB. It's more zone corner than we've ever seen. Are you seriously doubting that. We can get into a big pssing match and the more convincing person will win, but seriously, they're playing soft outside a lot more and they're jumping a lot fewer routes. For some reason Capers is afraid to get beat over this year. I'm surprised you're denying that.

[pittstang5]

You're pissing me off Packers.

[Guiness]

You guys are all over reacting, because you don't understand what's going on.

Pack has a 2pt lead. They're going to get the ball back, and run out the clock so that MM can finally win a close game.

Right? Right?

[pbmax]

That worked for the Packers in 3 different ways. Penalty, recovery, dumb call.

[Packers4Glory]

why are they onside kicking? dumb

[gbgary]

come on now Pack...time to ice it!

[pbmax]

You guys are all over reacting, because you don't understand what's going on.

Pack has a 2pt lead. They're going to get the ball back, and run out the clock so that MM can finally win a close game.

Right? Right?

And we all know good teams win close games.

[gbgary]

woo hoo car. beat det!

[pittstang5]

Fuck, Starks down

[Iron Mike]

Did I just see Cam Newton do the belt move???

[Bretsky]

I sure hope we NEVER have to rely on a unit coached by Slouch Slocum to recover an onside kick during the playoffs

[gbgary]

oh no....

[Guiness]

LOL! Kuhn comes out of the pile with the ball! Magic man today.

[Packers4Glory]

well if we don't get at least a FG we will lose. We might lose w/ just a FG with the way the defense is playing.

[pittstang5]

We're fucked

[gbgary]

tb coach seems like a class act

[Bretsky]

Get this first down

[rdanomly]

SWEET!

[gbgary]

done and dusted!!

[red]

thank god for jordy

[Bretsky]

WOW; HE STRIKES AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pittstang5]

Starks is done for the year, Gut feeling.

[pbmax]

NELSON!! Finally. a deep pass when they are all in the box.

[wootah]

thank god for jordy

[Iron Mike]

WHITE LIGHTNING!!!!!

[Packers4Glory]

they were in 4 down territory anyway. good call to take a shot.

[pbmax]

Going to miss Starks if he is out for any length of time.

[rdanomly]

Anybody know who Jordy toasted for that?

[pittstang5]

tb coach seems like a class act

Seems like a players coach

[gbgary]

det up again on car

[Guiness]

Nelson you jackass now we won't win a close game.