OFFICIAL GREEN BAY PACKERS vs. NY GIANTS GAME DAY THREAD

[Bretsky]

I'ts Game Day Folks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr6eHza6JVI&feature=related

THE GIANTS BUSTERS are playing our Packers this year. AND they are looking to crash our party like some of these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=K6Rhfv4e0O4&NR=1

Consider the following

Thirteen years ago, the defending Super Bowl champion Denver Broncos brought their 13-0 record to East Rutherford, N.J., and were ambushed by the New York Giants, 20-16. At the time, the Kent Graham-quarterbacked Giants were 5-8 and a 13-point underdog. On Sunday, the defending champion Green Bay Packers visit East Rutherford trying to protect their 11-0 record. The Giants are a 7 pt underdog.

in 2008, the 18-0 Patriots were set for the perfect season when Eli Manning led the Giants to a Giants Upset over Hoody Genius

Hammerin Hank Goldberg, ESPN's wanna be guru, just predicted a 30-27 Giant Upset
Tom Silverstein just predicted the Giants to upset Green Bay.

If you don't think the Giants have serious shot you ignore history...the football Karma Gods.....who do exist.

The Giants backs are against the Wall. The worst thing has occured this week; Tom Coughlin firing talk has been coming up. Last time this occured ? 2008.....when the Giants made an incredible run and their defensive line but us our biatches the entire game.

Josh Sitton, our best OL- out
Chad Clifton, our starting LT- out

Justin Tuck is licking his chops

AJ Hawk- Out
Desmond Bishop- Out

Don't think for a second the yahoos who are going to play for these guys won't be a part of some serious defensive breakdowns. Fan favorites are often the backups of starters who have not been lighting it up............until they watch the backups play and find out there are some dam good reasons the backups are not playing.

On Offense, expect to see some big plays by Green Bay combined with some inconsistent OL play that will have us praying Sitton and Clifton returned yesterday. Marshmellow Newhouse will have issues today. Lang will have issues. Expect to hear plenty about young sensation Jason Pierre Paul and Justin ...the Packers are my bitches...Tuck. The Giants will be good enough to keep this game close and that will allow the crowd to light this up. Green Bay scores on the Giants but I don't think they get to 30 today. It's a tough environment to play in, and Rodgers at times will be running for his life. Our running game will suck. Who cares. Our running game normally sucks.....well..........til next year when TT brings in Monte Ball to Green n Gold. But in between AROD getting hit often, he'll make some big plays to Jennings and the Jordinator as well. This one ain't going to be as easy as the past few games

On defense, if you think Green Bay won't miss Bishop and Hawk you'll be puking up your spiked Kool Aide this afternoon. Expect the Giants to expose the newbies, and expect Jake Ballard to make some solid plays. Expect at least one complete defensive breakdown resulting in a Giants TD due to the lack of communication issues without AJ Hawk calling the plays. AJ has been a J.A.G. this year, but he still brings stability and reliabilty to the Packer defensse along with an even temperment. Remember that when you see some extreme frustration amongst the defenders today. The Rooks will look like Rooks, and they will make mistakes. The Giants running game is just good enough to keep Green Bay a bit off balance, and I hate to hit da homers with some reality juice, but Green Bay still has the 32nd rated pass defense in the NFL. The Giants have three pretty good WR's with shake and back Cruz showing he's surprisingly a very good route runner. And Hakeem "I should have never traded for him in FFL with Red" Nicks getting healthy the Giants have that talent that can go up and get the ball.....aka...............Plaxico Burress.

RIGHT when things are looking good...........guess what's coming back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkg1i-ujhik

THE NIGHTMARE ! When things start looking great, eventually we come back to earth.

Time to face reality rats; we may win the Super Bowl but the Giants are derailing our train today. They are the busters.
But since many of you keep drinking the Kool Aide..........here will be a nice portfolio of your reactions today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3Kbc-LSGvI&feature=related


Giants 30
Packers 27

Take it to the Bank

WHAMMY LIVE ON

[Harlan Huckleby]

On defense, if you think Green Bay won't miss Bishop and Hawk you'll be puking up your spiked Kool Aide this afternoon. Expect the Giants to expose the newbies, and expect Jake Ballard to make some solid plays. Expect at least one complete defensive breakdown resulting in a Giants TD due to the lack of communication issues without AJ Hawk

I really doubt the ILB change will matter, especially since Packers have been playing "bend but not break" (a.k.a. "crappy") defense all year. Should be interesting, tho.

[Pugger]

If the Gmen give Rodgers anywhere near the amount of time they gave Brees last week NY is toast.

[CaptainKickass]

Obligatory game day post.

[Bretsky]

If the Gmen give Rodgers anywhere near the amount of time they gave Brees last week NY is toast.



Saints have been incredible at home lately

[pbmax]

The concern is not with the 18th ranked Giants defense or injured and ineffective Justin Tuck. Its the Giants 7th ranked O that must be contained.

[yooperfan]

It's on!!!!

Go Pack Go!

[Packers4Glory]

It's on!!!!

Go Pack Go!@3:15

[Tony Oday]

Packers lose in a laugher...42-3 ala Vikes Giants NFC championship

[Brando19]

Eli has been known to pull a victory out of his backside. I just don't see how they can score with this offense. It'll be a great day in Mr. Rodgers' neigborhood.

Packers 28
Giants 17

[gbgary]

come ON PACK!

[Joemailman]

Packers 34
Giants 24

Giants can't cover Packers slot receivers.

[mmmdk]

We're doomed!

[Harlan Huckleby]

I always look forward to Giants-Packers rivalry because it is battle of the little cities. The mayors of Green Bay and East Rutherford always make some wacky bet.

[MadtownPacker]

Gonna need Chuck to steal one again today. Gonna be a close game this week.

[PA Pack Fan]

Cmon rats, this is the same giants team that got destroyed by the eagles. yes, the eagles.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Almost time. The defense solidifies per Dom's usual late season pattern and Finley chews up the Giants secondary. Packers 32, Giants 14

[MadtownPacker]

Finley chews up the Giants secondary. Packers 32, Giants 14Sounds great cuz he has not come through in the last four weeks. I have a feeling youre gonna be right.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Wow, late scratches for the Giants. It's that time of year where depth is the key.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

WTF!

[Packers4Glory]

Circus

[mmmdk]

:shock:

[Bossman641]

Embarassing

[Fred's Slacks]

Oh well. A loss today wouldn't be the worst thing. One last taste of humility beforea late season run.

[gbgary]

why are we running on second and long.

[gbgary]

fin for the fd

[mmmdk]

Running fools nobody! Pass baby!!!

[gbgary]

AR throwing high today.

[mmmdk]

GJ limping?

[mmmdk]

At least the Bears still suck!!! :lol:

[Packers4Glory]

Ugh

[Fred's Slacks]

Nice play Fancois

[gbgary]

nice d there.

[gbgary]

great catch by jordy

[George Cumby]

anyone have a link?

[gbgary]

ugh. running sideways...

[gbgary]

gj smiling. that's a good sign.

[gbgary]

fin for the td!!

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Finley, per my prediction! Even better....he's on my fantasy team!

[denverYooper]

YOTTO 2

[mmmdk]

That reception by Nelson was so clutch. Great TD drive!

:pack:

[gbgary]

anyone have a link?

i'm watching directv but i found this for you...

http://www.sportwebz.com/live/39453-nfl-green-bay-packers-vs-new-york-giants/watch/live/stream/online/free/feed/p2p/vivo/gratis/tv/

[George Cumby]

i'm watching directv but i found this for you...

http://www.sportwebz.com/live/39453-nfl-green-bay-packers-vs-new-york-giants/watch/live/stream/online/free/feed/p2p/vivo/gratis/tv/

Awesome!

Thanks very much!

[Fred's Slacks]

At least the defense has played well every other game lately.

[Packers4Glory]

Secondary is a joke

[gbgary]

should have been a holding, matthews, on that long pass. a little d in the secondary would be nice.

[gbgary]

no troy...he out

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Our safeties are getting eaten alive.

[mmmdk]

Not a TD!

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Glad they got it right. Triplette always makes me nervous.

[George Cumby]

Neal getting a little push up the middle on that one play.

[gbgary]

go randall cobb.

[Guiness]

'lo folks, just joining in...just in time to see Cobb with a nice return :)

[mmmdk]

Great return, crazy Cobb! :lol:

[MJZiggy]

That would have been so cool if it worked...

[Guiness]

Ok, I like that a lot. I'm impressed that the Giants DB stayed with his man through that, not bitting on the reverse.

[pbmax]

No one throws a one hopper like Eli Manning.

[denverYooper]

Interesting series...

[gbgary]

nothing to show for it. come d...let's get a seven and out.

[mmmdk]

Look, Packers D, that's what pressure looks like!

[denverYooper]

Well shoot.

[mmmdk]

Our defense is a sieve!

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Did I say something about the defense solidifying? I take it back.....obviously the jinx factor at work!

[pbmax]

Awesome!

Thanks very much!

http://www.firstrowsports.tv/sport/american-football.html

[Guiness]

Nice run by Jacobs, unfortunately. Looked like he didn't get touched right through the line on a draw play, and had a nice stutter step there.

Someone kneecap that guy already.

[gbgary]

that's how ya do it.

[pbmax]

Clay channling Chuck!!

[KalamazooPackerFan]

See? That works!

[Fred's Slacks]

The rare claymaker pick 6!

[denverYooper]

Damn. Clay...

[MadtownPacker]

Oh, oh thats gonna hurt Eli's feelings.

[mmmdk]

I take it all back, D,...I think :lol:

[Guiness]

Oh, that was SO nice.

Who was after Eli? I saw Eli backpeddling, Mathews dropping back, and I immediately said "He's in trouble here!"

[pbmax]

Bretsky! That was a close approximation of a delayed blitz by Smith! It worked?!

[George Cumby]

That was too cool.

[gbgary]

****
that's how the d's been playing all year (and most of last year). they always given up yards but not at the expense of winning. when it matters they get tough, get turnovers, get a stop, or limit it to a fg. ****

[pbmax]

Oof. C'mon Pick. Do more than stick out an arm.

[pbmax]

Frequency problem at visiting stadium?

Hmmm.

[gbgary]

darn it chuck

[pbmax]

That wasn't a forearm Tripplette.

[pbmax]

Two good coverages, ball awareness and closing.

[mmmdk]

Bullshit call :mad:

[pbmax]

We don't have a Jordy Nelson comparison issue here.

Eli Manning = Donovan McNabb - scrambling

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Bullshit call :mad:

Agreed!

[esoxx]

I think they need to change the call from "roughing the passer" to "making the QB mildly uncomfortable."

[pbmax]

I think they need to change the call from "roughing the passer" to "making the QB mildly uncomfortable."

In fairness, that is how its supposed to be called. Tripplette is just vision impaired usually.

[Cheesehead Craig]

In fairness, that is how its supposed to be called. Tripplette is just vision impaired usually.

I think it was legit.

[mmmdk]

Agreed!

Even McCarthy laughed it of; Chuck hit Eli in the chest and even went easy on him!

[pbmax]

Finley, Finley, Finley!

[Guiness]

Buck and Aikman are SO bad. The Pack has had so many prime time games this year, and these guys are doing nothing but trying to pick them apart. I am SO sick of them.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Finley, Finley, Finley!

Drop Drop Drop

[gbgary]

oops. come on fin.

[pbmax]

LANG!! Stop doing that!

[Cheesehead Craig]

Tuck!! Stop doing that!

[pbmax]

Wells ended up on the ground.

[mmmdk]

Finster drops and now a false start!

[esoxx]

I think it was legit.

The way the rules are written today, yes. But it's still pussy ball in the final analysis.

[mmmdk]

Sacked!!

[gbgary]

AR's chin strap was loose on that play.

[pbmax]

What kind of gun do you suppose he uses to hunt fish?

[Packers4Glory]

Offense looks like shit now. Finley seems to drop 1 ball a game.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Sacked!!

That was so 29 seconds ago

[Fred's Slacks]

Offense a little sloppy today.

[gbgary]

all the other games going now are low scoring.

[Guiness]

LANG!! Stop doing that!

didn't see it, and they cut the replay short - what did he do?

Also, what was Finley so upset about after his catch. Looked like he actually chucked the ball pretty hard at the ref. Careful there...

[Bretsky]

Bring back Clifton
Bring back Sitton

Pierre Paul is really good, as is Tuck

[denverYooper]

Offense a little sloppy today.
Yep.

[denverYooper]

Do the gmen usually throw deep so often?

[Fred's Slacks]

didn't see it, and they cut the replay short - what did he do?

Also, what was Finley so upset about after his catch. Looked like he actually chucked the ball pretty hard at the ref. Careful there...

Lang false started while the defense couldn't get lined up. Bailed them out.

[pbmax]

didn't see it, and they cut the replay short - what did he do?

Also, what was Finley so upset about after his catch. Looked like he actually chucked the ball pretty hard at the ref. Careful there...

False start again. Then He and Wells had Tuck and a DT and Wells fell down.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Do the gmen usually throw deep so often?

We don't have much of a rush so they can today.

[gbgary]

blitzing too much maybe?

[Packers4Glory]

Pep sucks in coverage

[pbmax]

I think the strategy of having Peprah covering slot and Cruz will need to change.

[Bretsky]

Victor Cruz runs really good routes

Hakeem Nicks was a really good receiver until I traded for him in fantasy football; now he's absolute junk

[Fred's Slacks]

Pep sucks in coverage

That Cruz guy is pretty good too.

[pbmax]

Do the gmen usually throw deep so often?

Yes, its a strength of Manning as that throw to the flat demonstrates in reverse.

[gbgary]

d held. good. o needs to get it going now.

[denverYooper]

Well. Time to see if O can get on track...

[Guiness]

I wish Aikman would STFU!

[pbmax]

That Cruz guy is pretty good too.

Cobb NOT INSIDE THE 5!

Cruz is good but Peprah lost him like a small child at the mall loses his mother.

[Packers4Glory]

That Cruz guy is pretty good too.
Yeah what a route. Thats twice this game Pep nearly screwed himself into the turf

[denverYooper]

Yes, its a strength of Manning as that throw to the flat demonstrates in reverse.

Lol.

[mmmdk]

Fair catch at the FIVE??????? Stupid!

[pbmax]

Geaux Grant!

[denverYooper]

Fair catch at the FIVE??????? Stupid!
Yeah. He'll redeem himself later tho...

[Fred's Slacks]

Yeah, cobb should have let that go. On the other hand, if he's not exactly sure where he is, I'd rather he fair catch at the five then let the other team down it inside the one.

[gbgary]

dammit!!

[Cheesehead Craig]

Fucky Von Fuckenheimer!!!!

[pbmax]

What was that!?

[Fred's Slacks]

Didn't see that coming

[denverYooper]

Wow. One of those days..

[KalamazooPackerFan]

ARrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!

[Iron Mike]

I guess that's what happens when you throw to Jermichael Finley EVERY OTHER PLAY!!!!!! :(

[George Cumby]

I guess that's what happens when you throw to Jermichael Finley EVERY OTHER PLAY!!!!!! :(

reminds me of last year trying to force it to him time and again....

[pbmax]

He was counting on that linebacker dropping deep to help short of the slot's post route. He never went deep and immediately went to the sideline.

[mmmdk]

Well, that sucked!

[gbgary]

ugh. that hurt. come on AR and the rest of the O!!

[pbmax]

Halftime adjustments, here we come.

[mmmdk]

Aaron, don't make Eli look great...please! Game face on.

[pbmax]

I love that Michael-gamer ad.

[George Cumby]

Halftime adjustments, here we come.

Indeed.

[Fred's Slacks]

This is the opposite of prior weeks. When one side steps up, the other sides does it's best to lose.

[gbgary]

plenty of time to get that back before ht. come on.

[pbmax]

Oh good. More Starks injuries.

[Iron Mike]

Where's Starks headed???

[Cheesehead Craig]

That Giant front four is damn good.

[mmmdk]

Starks re-injured? C'mon!!!

[pbmax]

They are accounting for Jennings with two DBs. Finley and others must be open.

[pbmax]

Kuhn chant louder than Cruz chant. Go Pack Fans!

[RashanGary]

Well, the Giants are pulling out all stops. You can see their breaking a lot of tendencies. AR isn't quite as decisive as he usually is. They can't put together a full game confusing our offense. Eli has done a hell of a job getting rid of the ball, on target, down the field with guys in his face. I doubt that's going to happen as regularly as it has so far.

I'm not too worried. The 3rd quarter is where we put teams away.

[Cheesehead Craig]

There's Finley for you pb

[pbmax]

Its typical Rodgers versus a zone ala Bears. He is getting something he is not used to seeing. Given time and some D, he'll figure it out.

[Fred's Slacks]

Nice bullet.

[Cheesehead Craig]

That trainer for NY looks like Rudy Guiliani

[Cheesehead Craig]

We need a Jordy sighting

[Iron Mike]

Rodgers audibled to THAT???

[George Cumby]

Giants are playing with energy and purpose.

[gbgary]

did anyone else see kuhn nail that rusher. lol

[Cheesehead Craig]

Great run decision by Rodgers there

[gbgary]

dammit AR...had saine in front of him and could have had a lot more.

[Iron Mike]

Saine sighting!!!

[MadtownPacker]

ARod Tebowing the fucking giants!!

[mmmdk]

Good call - put Saine in the game.

[George Cumby]

Aaron really has a little burst there.

[pbmax]

Well, the Giants are pulling out all stops. You can see their breaking a lot of tendencies. AR isn't quite as decisive as he usually is. They can't put together a full game confusing our offense. Eli has done a hell of a job getting rid of the ball, on target, down the field with guys in his face. I doubt that's going to happen as regularly as it has so far.

I'm not too worried. The 3rd quarter is where we put teams away.

Eli is 9 for 17 so far. That par for his course versus a good D.

[gbgary]

Saine sighting!!!

say that five times real fast.

[pbmax]

did anyone else see kuhn nail that rusher. lol

I saw a lineman pancake Tuck on Rodgers first scramble. that was fun. Sort of Sapp esque except it was near the play.

[Fred's Slacks]

Brand InSaine

[pbmax]

Eli is 9 for 17 so far. That par for his course versus a good D.

So is Rodgers!

[Iron Mike]

say that five times real fast.

No, say "Unique New York" three times fast. It's impossible.

[denverYooper]

Giants are playing with energy and purpose.

They need this one.

[Cheesehead Craig]

There we go!

[pbmax]

Nice cut inside his blocker by Saine. Didn't get the block but made the LB come get him.

[gbgary]

DD for the td!

[Fred's Slacks]

I'll take it.

[Iron Mike]

Double D!!!!!!!

[pbmax]

Zone killer Driver!

[George Cumby]

the old pro...

[mmmdk]

Nobody had DRIVER!!!

[Cheesehead Craig]

What a drive.

[Fred's Slacks]

Why are they blowing the whistle every 3 seconds?

[gbgary]

No, say "Unique New York" three times fast. It's impossible.

:lol:

[mmmdk]

Saine >> Grant

I think it's a fact!

[Cheesehead Craig]

What a tackle by Crosby!

[Fred's Slacks]

Nice tackle crosby!

[pbmax]

Good grief. Our kicker is the best coverage tackler.

[George Cumby]

good thing our kicker can tackle

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Corsby shows his stuff! Nice athletic play there.

[denverYooper]

Mase earning that paper.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Hawk would have had that pick

[mmmdk]

Our KOs are getting returned this season (too); with new rules that's pathetic.

[gbgary]

the old pro...

http://a-falstaff-collector.com/Resources/ashtrayoldpro1.png

[Cheesehead Craig]

You kidding me? A fumble?

[mmmdk]

good thing our kicker can tackle

How'bout booting some KOs instead; then no kicker tackling.

[gbgary]

very nice. BeeJay!!

[mmmdk]

Clay is playing great today! Big plays, dudes!!!

[George Cumby]

really?

Gawd, did you see that hit on Eli? That's gotta' hurt....

[Cheesehead Craig]

That was just comical how everyone just stood there.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Too bad Raji couldnt break that tackle and run it in! :)

[gbgary]

plenty of time for more points before ht.

[MadtownPacker]

I like how BJ was thinking TD the whole time. :lol:

[denverYooper]

Wow. Clay again...

[Cheesehead Craig]

Oh hell yeah Saine. What a burst.

[gbgary]

very nice from saine.

[gbgary]

I like how BJ was thinking TD the whole time. :lol:

a nose for the end zone.

[denverYooper]

InSaine!

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Nice series for Saine. Might be this year's Starks story.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Shit.

[gbgary]

fuk you mr buck

[MJZiggy]

What happened????

[Cheesehead Craig]

Really looked like Crosby was rushed on that one.

[Fred's Slacks]

crosbys dreaded right hash, coming back to haunt?

[George Cumby]

That was just comical how everyone just stood there.

I was waiting for "Yackety Sax" to start playing........

[mmmdk]

Stupid dumb fucking kicker!

[pbmax]

That Crosby kick from the right hash looked familiar.

[mmmdk]

No pro bowl, Crosby!

[gbgary]

Stupid dumb fucking kicker!

come on now...joe buck jinxed that fg.

[sheepshead]

I was calling for a fake-would have been a good place for one

[mmmdk]

Saine >> Grant

I think it's a fact!

Just some more">".

Saine>>>>Grant

[RashanGary]

Zone killer Driver!

We have so many weapons, with so many different skill-sets.

Line up all NFL WR's in a race (and these guys are fast.) I'd imagine DD is in the bottom 15% of the league. Line them up and have them run routes in the redzone, just pure short area burst, I'd guess he's still near the top third. Combine that with his uber-savvy and you have a hell-of-a redzone receiver. Subtle route adjustments and being on the same page as the QB is probably the #1 redzone quality, followed by (size and/or short area burst.) Driver could be a TD machine for us down the stretch. Finley demands attention. Jennings demands attention. With Nelson's size, hands and chemistry with Rodgers, he's demanding attention. Driver is going to be able to pick apart soft parts of the zone. He knows exactly where to be. AR knows exactly where he should be. I would not be shocked if he's our top redzone player from now until we hoist the Lombardi trophy. He could be a hell-of-a 3rd down WR too. If all ya need is 6 yards, Driver is going to get the soft part of the defense every time.

[mmmdk]

come on now...joe buck jinxed that fg.

KOs too! They moved the KOs 5 yards closer and he still has trouble kicking it into the endzone or out of it...but he's an ok dome kicker!!

[esoxx]

Crosby is money.

[mmmdk]

Now that's a KO!

[gbgary]

come on O!!!

[esoxx]

Has Jennings caught a ball today with any yardage attached to it?

[gbgary]

the fresh prince f'd up.

[mmmdk]

:bs: PI :lol:

[gbgary]

jg...great catch

[esoxx]

If not, he has now.

[gbgary]

:bs: PI :lol:

that's what he was doing to j's arm.

[mmmdk]

ball was in the air and he had a hold of j's arm. that's pi to me.

Ok, enough "contact" for refs to make a call - I'll take the pussy call.

[cheesner]

that was Jennings' 4th catch

[Cheesehead Craig]

I don't think that's a catch

[gbgary]

tc with another bad review call.

[Packers4Glory]

The giants might have the only coach more insufferable than the Lions

[gbgary]

Ok, enough "contact" for refs to make a call - I'll take the pussy call.

i edited that post. go back and take another look.

[mmmdk]

Close to not being a catch...

[gbgary]

I don't think that's a catch

that's a catch.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I don't think that's a catch

Glad I was wrong.

[mmmdk]

i edited that post. go back and take another look.

It's there...barely; now let's run away with that PI.

[mmmdk]

that's a catch.

Think you're right.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Coughlin looking pretty desparate with his challenges.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Ok, Grant and Starks don't make that run Saine just did. I'm becoming a believer.

[mmmdk]

Let's score 6 and hope our kicker can score 1...

[gbgary]

Q with the first down.

[mmmdk]

Nice, Saine!

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Liking this drive.....need to keep the ball in our hands and keep the crowd out of the game.

[esoxx]

Not a bright move to challenge that down to the World Champs in the 2nd half. Think they'll need the time out later.

[gbgary]

tuck out with a cramp.

enough with the running.