OFFICIAL GREEN BAY PACKERS VS DETROIT LIONS GAMEDAY THREAD 2012 EDITION

[gbgary]

hof connection...flynn to jones

[pbmax]

Quarterback controversy in 3, 2, 1 ....

[Bretsky]

There is our franchise TE

[pbmax]

He called an audble for a Finley TD on single coverag.

[MadtownPacker]

YOTTO!!!!! BITCHES!!!!!

[pbmax]

There is our franchise TE

Now Lions have the ball last :lol:

[pbmax]

YOTTO!!!!! BITCHES!!!!!

YOTTO indeed.

[Bretsky]

Can we PLZ PLZ doubleteam CALVIN now ?

[easy cheesy]

http://www.funzine.hu/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/this-is-how-we-do-it.jpg

[Bretsky]

No more Estus Hooding

[gbgary]

6 tds...has any Packer qb done that?

[Bretsky]

Fire Slocum

[easy cheesy]

6 tds...has any Packer qb done that?


Nope

[Bretsky]

I WAS PRACTICING.....GOOD THING WE GET AN EXTRA FIVE YDS ON EACH KICKOFF NOW

[pbmax]

Don't let them out of bounds!

[Bretsky]

OK idiots....as least keep them in bounce !

[Bretsky]

ridiculous

[Bretsky]

CALVIN
One guy check him to death the first five yards
after he gets beat Tramon takes him with another safety over the top

[pbmax]

SHIELDS!!! All he does is END GAMES!

[Bretsky]

The Shield is back up !!!

Happy Trails Lionesses............enjoy getting your asses kicked by the Saints !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[King Friday]

Enjoy Bourbon Street, boys.

[pbmax]

I think McCarthy can coach 'em up.

[King Friday]

I think McCarthy can coach 'em up.

I think Flynn is one of the 8 best QBs in football.

[Tarlam!]

Wow. Matt Flynn. Wow.

[pbmax]

Its a YOTTO New Year.

[Harlan Huckleby]

flynn earned about $1M per TD pass toda

[Tarlam!]

Wow. Over 500yrds allowed. Wow.

[Freak Out]

I love it....I fucking love it.

[Brandon494]

Fylnn > Rodgers

I saw enough today, we need to trade Rodgers for defensive help and go with Fylnn as our franchise QB

Sincerely,

Black Partial

[RashanGary]

Flynn for the win!!!


He is about to make hella bank with a game winning TD!!

Sucks. . . . We can only franchise 1. . . Finley or Flynn. If we had the tag on Flynn, we could get somethin for him. . . . If we put it on Fin, we can't. Transition Fin? Franchise Flynn?

[Freak Out]

Flynn has that "it" factor you look for.

[mission]

Did Matt Flynn ruin Rodgers MVP chance?

[Iron Mike]

Lions haven't won in WI since 1991....all the DonkeyKongs in the world ain't gonna change that.

Suck it, Sam "The Bull."

[RashanGary]

I think Flynn is one of the 8 best QBs in football.

Seriously, I wouldn't doubt it.

[Tarlam!]

Did Matt Flynn ruin Rodgers MVP chance?

Yes.

[Gunakor]

Sucks. . . . We can only franchise 1. . . Finley or Flynn. If we had the tag on Flynn, we could get somethin for him. . . . If we put it on Fin, we can't. Transition Fin? Franchise Flynn?


Tell Flynn he won't get a Super Bowl ring this year if he doesn't sign an extension beforehand. Even if he takes the victory snap. No deal, no ring.

He'll sign.

[Brandon494]

haha so every thread always has to be about letting Finley go now? Finley had a pretty damn good game and the winning TD catch btw.

[Gunakor]

Or do what black partial suggests and trade AR for like 5 first round picks. Let the Matt Flynn era begin!

[King Friday]

Tag Flynn...you'll get a whole lot more for him in return.

Finley hasn't had the kind of season where we can't sign him to a long term deal if we want to.

The rich just got a lot richer today...what QB hungry team has a nice young pass rushing 4-3 LB?

[mmmdk]

6-0 versus NFC North...TOP NOTCH!

:pack:

[RashanGary]

haha so every thread always has to be about letting Finley go now? Finley had a pretty damn good game and the winning TD catch btw.

It's not about letting him go. It's about transitioning him so you can match the highest bidder, then getting a big pick for Flynn. High pick, keep Finley. Win Win.

[mmmdk]

Tag Flynn...you'll get a whole lot more for him in return.

I thought about since halftime; DO IT GB!

[mmmdk]

It's not about letting him go. It's about transitioning him so you can match the highest bidder, then getting a big pick for Flynn. High pick, keep Finley. Win Win.

Even better!

[Lurker64]

Sucks. . . . We can only franchise 1. . . Finley or Flynn. If we had the tag on Flynn, we could get somethin for him. . . . If we put it on Fin, we can't. Transition Fin? Franchise Flynn?

I think you can sign Finley to a 2-year "prove it" contract (with a bunch of incentives) for around what the tag would cost you for a TE.

The whole issue with Flynn is the franchise number for a QB is ~$15m, and if you tag Flynn you need to make sure you have a trade partner lined up since you don't want to be left holding the bag there.

There's also the issue of "What to do about Wells."

[pbmax]

Or do what black partial suggests and trade AR for like 5 first round picks. Let the Matt Flynn era begin!

Black Partial was kidding. Not sure Justin was.

But Finley will get the tag. Maybe transition for Flynn to see if they get picks in a bidding war. But I think they will take the normal FA draft pick compensation.

[mission]

I don't think transition tag exists in new CBA

[Tarlam!]

There's also the issue of "What to do about Wells."

Oh that's easy. You sign him to a contract that is fair and competitive.

[pbmax]

I think you can sign Finley to a 2-year "prove it" contract (with a bunch of incentives) for around what the tag would cost you for a TE.

The whole issue with Flynn is the franchise number for a QB is ~$15m, and if you tag Flynn you need to make sure you have a trade partner lined up since you don't want to be left holding the bag there.

There's also the issue of "What to do about Wells."

Is that the "new" number from the 2011 CBA? Brandt has said the calculation now has a more team friendly bent.

[pbmax]

never mind, misread

[mmmdk]

Enjoy Bourbon Street, boys.

:lol:

[Brandon494]

Tag Flynn...you'll get a whole lot more for him in return.

Finley hasn't had the kind of season where we can't sign him to a long term deal if we want to.

The rich just got a lot richer today...what QB hungry team has a nice young pass rushing 4-3 LB?

We run a 3-4 defense

[mmmdk]

We run a 3-4 defense

That we do! Get that D-line some help for next season 'cos for this season it is too late. Draft and/or free agency.

[Lurker64]

Oh that's easy. You sign him to a contract that is fair and competitive.

It's always an issue to try to balance the salary cap with what players want. Wells may have the Packers by the short hairs here.

[gbgary]

haha so every thread always has to be about letting Finley go now? Finley had a pretty damn good game and the winning TD catch btw.

it's been that way for most of the season. i just decided to ignore it as best i could.

[buchunter03]

Per Adam Schefter...

RT @Buccigross: Can the Packers franchise Flynn, then trade him for picks like Pats did with Cassel? ... Unlikely. Too much $ risk for Pack.

[pbmax]

It's always an issue to try to balance the salary cap with what players want. Wells may have the Packers by the short hairs here.

I dunno. Would you be overly worried about EDS at center?

[Rutnstrut]

It's always an issue to try to balance the salary cap with what players want. Wells may have the Packers by the short hairs here.

If they let Wells walk it will be because TT fucked it up.

[pbmax]

Per Adam Schefter...

RT @Buccigross: Can the Packers franchise Flynn, then trade him for picks like Pats did with Cassel? ... Unlikely. Too much $ risk for Pack.

Good catch.

[The Shadow]

"The Mighty Flynn (Flynn The Packer)"


Everybody's building the big ships and boats
Som are building monuments, others jotting down notes
Everybody's in despair, every girl and boy
But when Flynn the Packer gets here everybody's gonna jump for joy
Oh come all without, come all within
You'll not see nothing like the mighty Flynn
Come all without, come all within
You'll not see nothing like the mighty Flynn.

[gbgary]

Per Adam Schefter...

RT @Buccigross: Can the Packers franchise Flynn, then trade him for picks like Pats did with Cassel? ... Unlikely. Too much $ risk for Pack.

do backup qbs have a franchise number or are they tossed in there with starters?

[Lurker64]

Good catch.

I think you can still swing it if you work out the details of the trade quickly. Flynn can't officially negotiate an extension with the team he'd be traded to until the cap deadline, but that's never stopped anybody before.

See if you have a trade partner before the tag deadline, figure out what sort of money Matt Flynn would want in an extension, and check and see if that's acceptable with the team you trade him to. If everything is in place before the tagging deadline, I think you can manage it.

[King Friday]

We run a 3-4 defense

Dyslexic.

Although more recently, we've played the 10-4 defense...as in letting the offenses keep on trucking.

[King Friday]

See if you have a trade partner before the tag deadline, figure out what sort of money Matt Flynn would want in an extension, and check and see if that's acceptable with the team you trade him to. If everything is in place before the tagging deadline, I think you can manage it.

Very doable...if Flynn goes to free agency, then it becomes a free for all. A few teams will be very interested in getting him prior to free agency. The Browns with Holmgren at the helm come to mind...who also have a spare 1st round pick. If they can't get Luck, they can get Flynn...which is probably the better move anyway.

[pbmax]

I think you can still swing it if you work out the details of the trade quickly. Flynn can't officially negotiate an extension with the team he'd be traded to until the cap deadline, but that's never stopped anybody before.

See if you have a trade partner before the tag deadline, figure out what sort of money Matt Flynn would want in an extension, and check and see if that's acceptable with the team you trade him to. If everything is in place before the tagging deadline, I think you can manage it.

Unless Matt Flynn thinks he will get a better deal on the open market. He can force the tag decision by not negotiating with the team the Packers select. Then its either tag or FA. I don't see it happening, its not in his interest to do it.

[Lurker64]

Unless Matt Flynn thinks he will get a better deal on the open market. He can force the tag decision by not negotiating with the team the Packers select. Then its either tag or FA. I don't see it happening, its not in his interest to do it.

Well, at the very least Flynn's performance today likely guarantees a contract sufficient to make the 2013 compensatory pick the Packers would receive for him a 3rd round pick rather than a later compensatory.

[mission]

I know everyone's on Flynn's jock and deservedly so... but I did the unthinkable today. :cool:

[King Friday]

Per Adam Schefter...

RT @Buccigross: Can the Packers franchise Flynn, then trade him for picks like Pats did with Cassel? ... Unlikely. Too much $ risk for Pack.

I think you would be stupid to not try anything possible to get value for Flynn. I can't see Thompson letting him walk for nothing at this point.

[pbmax]

Well, at the very least Flynn's performance today likely guarantees a contract sufficient to make the 2013 compensatory pick the Packers would receive for him a 3rd round pick rather than a later compensatory.

Yep.

[pbmax]

I know everyone's on Flynn's jock and deservedly so... but I did the unthinkable today. :cool:

You did. A nice two game streak.

[King Friday]

Unless Matt Flynn thinks he will get a better deal on the open market. He can force the tag decision by not negotiating with the team the Packers select. Then its either tag or FA. I don't see it happening, its not in his interest to do it.

True...but if the Packers tell him they are going to tag him regardless and not give him ANY say in where he goes, wouldn't it be in his benefit to work with Green Bay to find the best case scenario for all parties? I guess it comes down to how much Thompson feels we need to resign Finley, since we would probably have to franchise Finley to keep him.

[jmbarnes101]

You did. A nice two game streak.

If he makes it to game 6 we can crown him PackerRats honorary King For a Day.

[pbmax]

True...but if the Packers tell him they are going to tag him regardless and not give him ANY say in where he goes, wouldn't it be in his benefit to work with Green Bay to find the best case scenario for all parties? I guess it comes down to how much Thompson feels we need to resign Finley, since we would probably have to franchise Finley to keep him.

If I were Flynn's advisers and I saw a $15 million payday for NOT playing, I would sign it in a heartbeat. Then the Packers would need to come clean, admit they don't want a $15 mil/yr backup and trade him in a firesale to a team HE could chose since he would need to agree to renegotiate his deal.

[Tarlam!]

Very doable...if Flynn goes to free agency, then it becomes a free for all. A few teams will be very interested in getting him prior to free agency. The Browns with Holmgren at the helm come to mind...who also have a spare 1st round pick. If they can't get Luck, they can get Flynn...which is probably the better move anyway.

You HOMER!!!! :lol::lol::lol: (see bold)

But, Flynn got lucky tonight thanks to how the season ended for the Packers. He got to showcase his stuff ad nauseum against a playoff-bound team and division rival.

I think the Packers should be compensated! If they can't get picks, Flynn should cut the team in on 10% of his first contract!!

[Patler]

NE franchised Cassel for $14.5 million. Then traded him and Vrabel for a 2nd round pick (#34). Cassel then signed a 6 year contract for $63, with $28 million guaranteed. He nearly doubled his guarantee from the franchise number.

Probably takes a GM on the other team who knows the player well, as with KC and NE. Seattle comes to mind for Flynn.

[Lurker64]

NE franchised Cassel for $14.5 million. Then traded him and Vrabel for a 2nd round pick (#34). Cassel then signed a 6 year contract for $63, with $28 million guaranteed. He nearly doubled his guarantee from the franchise number.

Probably takes a GM on the other team who knows the player well, as with KC and NE. Seattle comes to mind for Flynn.

Cassell got packaged with a player (Mike Vrabel) so if you try to tag and trade Flynn, you might have to package a player.

Perhaps Matt Flynn and A.J. Hawk to Seattle for a 1 and a 4?

[Bretsky]

I know everyone's on Flynn's jock and deservedly so... but I did the unthinkable today. :cool:

You took a Super Bowl Champion with a 13-1 record and won two games.
Come back and boast after a title and a dozen more games :))))

[Bretsky]

It's always an issue to try to balance the salary cap with what players want. Wells may have the Packers by the short hairs here.


I think you are right; my guess is Teddy would like to play his guards and centers in the 3-4MIL range unless they are superstars but Wells may have played himself to at least 5.5MIL per year and maybe more

[Bretsky]

I'm more than happy to be wrong, but I think too many in here are lighting up the Homer Cigar in regards to Flynn. He's gone via free agency. And most teams know that and if they give him the moolah they can have him w/o giving up picks

[Tarlam!]

I think you are right; my guess is Teddy would like to play his guards and centers in the 3-4MIL range unless they are superstars but Wells may have played himself to at least 5.5MIL per year and maybe more

Supply and demand, guys. How many teams need a centre? Can EDS pick it up? Will another team pay crazy money?

[MadtownPacker]

You took a Super Bowl Champion with a 13-1 record and won two games.
Come back and boast after a title and a dozen more games :))))
Haha! You tell him! Tripping if he thinks he gets a pat on the back for that. Just means he wasnt a one hit wonder. :lol:

[Brandon494]

Cassell got packaged with a player (Mike Vrabel) so if you try to tag and trade Flynn, you might have to package a player.

Perhaps Matt Flynn and A.J. Hawk to Seattle for a 1 and a 4?

I like that deal because we would be trading Hawk but we aren't getting a 1st for Flynn.

[MadtownPacker]

I like that deal because we would be trading Hawk but we aren't getting a 1st for Flynn.
Fuck it as long as the player turns out to be Black it will be all good my ninja. :lol:

[mission]

Haha! You tell him! Tripping if he thinks he gets a pat on the back for that. Just means he wasnt a one hit wonder. :lol:

But we weren't even supposed to win-- we didnt even try according to one poster! I guess you could just call me the Matt Flynn of gamethread starting; Bretsky is Rodgers (or Favre if he wants), of course. :lol:

I'm just going to keep predicting big rushing games and we should be OK.

[MadtownPacker]

But we weren't even supposed to win-- we didnt even try according to one poster! I guess you could just call me the Matt Flynn of gamethread starting; Bretsky is Rodgers (or Favre if he wants), of course. :lol:

I'm just going to keep predicting big rushing games and we should be OK.
Dont feel bad we dont doubt you we just dont believe in you yet. :lol:

[Brandon494]

Fuck it as long as the player turns out to be Black it will be all good my ninja. :lol:

Only if its a CB.

[mission]

Dont feel bad we dont doubt you we just dont believe in you yet. :lol:

Lol I'm just being a wise ass. I don't believe in me either... told my wife before the game that it was fun while it lasted. Of course she just said not to worry cuz we'll blow em out 70-2 like she always does.

[MadtownPacker]

Lol I'm just being a wise ass. I don't believe in me either... told my wife before the game that it was fun while it lasted. Of course she just said not to worry cuz we'll blow em out 70-2 like she always does.
Good to know someone has balls. :lol:

[Tarlam!]

But we weren't even supposed to win-- we didnt even try according to one poster! I guess you could just call me the Matt Flynn of gamethread starting; Bretsky is Rodgers (or Favre if he wants), of course. :lol:

I'm just going to keep predicting big rushing games and we should be OK.

Listen, Tony, you need to make this into a ritual! One that lasts the SB and sees you stating the "Holy Thread" until at least Week 1 next season.

[Little Whiskey]

Listen, Tony, you need to make this into a ritual! One that lasts the SB and sees you stating the "Holy Thread" until at least Week 1 next season.

if the packers lose in the playoffs it will be because of me (I'll take the heat mission). I'm heading on vacation in two weeks. I will be gone for both playoff games. I am vacationing with a couple that I have vowed to never watch another playoff game with. both previous times the pack lost. one of the games was the 4th and 26 game. its gonna be tough to avoid them for both playoff games.

[pbmax]

NE franchised Cassel for $14.5 million. Then traded him and Vrabel for a 2nd round pick (#34). Cassel then signed a 6 year contract for $63, with $28 million guaranteed. He nearly doubled his guarantee from the franchise number.

Probably takes a GM on the other team who knows the player well, as with KC and NE. Seattle comes to mind for Flynn.


Cassell got packaged with a player (Mike Vrabel) so if you try to tag and trade Flynn, you might have to package a player.

Perhaps Matt Flynn and A.J. Hawk to Seattle for a 1 and a 4?

Both very good posts, I posted the response here in Harlan's thread. http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?23450-Cap-amp-Trade&p=644516&viewfull=1#post644516

[pbmax]

NE franchised Cassel for $14.5 million. Then traded him and Vrabel for a 2nd round pick (#34). Cassel then signed a 6 year contract for $63, with $28 million guaranteed. He nearly doubled his guarantee from the franchise number.

Probably takes a GM on the other team who knows the player well, as with KC and NE. Seattle comes to mind for Flynn.

I guessed Seattle too, but what is their pick status? Might they try to jump up to get one of the first two or three QBs?

[ThunderDan]

Cassell got packaged with a player (Mike Vrabel) so if you try to tag and trade Flynn, you might have to package a player.

Perhaps Matt Flynn and A.J. Hawk to Seattle for a 1 and a 4?

I like the thought but Hawk has had an awful year this year.

[Tarlam!]

I like the thought but Hawk has had an awful year this year.

Coming off the 2010 season he had, probably. People point to Hawk's play and a vacuum left by Jenkins and proclaim these are the woes of the defence.

[ThunderDan]

Coming off the 2010 season he had, probably. People point to Hawk's play and a vacuum left by Jenkins and proclaim these are the woes of the defence.

Good to have you back!

[Patler]

NE franchised Cassel for $14.5 million. Then traded him and Vrabel for a 2nd round pick (#34). Cassel then signed a 6 year contract for $63, with $28 million guaranteed. He nearly doubled his guarantee from the franchise number.

Probably takes a GM on the other team who knows the player well, as with KC and NE. Seattle comes to mind for Flynn.


I guessed Seattle too, but what is their pick status? Might they try to jump up to get one of the first two or three QBs?

Seattle is tied with KC for spots 11 and 12, so that is a real possibility. On the other hand, most trades for high draft picks happen on draft day, or very shortly before. The teams that hold the picks figure the value will only go up as draft day approaches. A tag and trade of Flynn would happen earlier, so unless Seattle is sure they can work out a trade to move up, it might be worth it to them to secure Flynn with a second or third round pick.

Even a third round pick this year from Seattle would be significantly better than the best compensatory pick GB could hope for, which would be the 33rd pick in the third round of the 2013 draft.

[mission]

if the packers lose in the playoffs it will be because of me (I'll take the heat mission). I'm heading on vacation in two weeks. I will be gone for both playoff games. I am vacationing with a couple that I have vowed to never watch another playoff game with. both previous times the pack lost. one of the games was the 4th and 26 game. its gonna be tough to avoid them for both playoff games.

Damn, you can't reschedule? Sounds like a Packer playoff deathwish.

[Pugger]

Stafford - best leading role in a drama?

Or a tragedy (for the kittens?)? :lol:

[Pugger]

Well it's encouraging. Walden screwing himself as So Oto performs creates a Starks like scenario.

It would be nice to see Walden sit on the bench in 2 weeks.

[pbmax]

if the packers lose in the playoffs it will be because of me (I'll take the heat mission). I'm heading on vacation in two weeks. I will be gone for both playoff games. I am vacationing with a couple that I have vowed to never watch another playoff game with. both previous times the pack lost. one of the games was the 4th and 26 game. its gonna be tough to avoid them for both playoff games.

Spend some time on Web MD to prepare some legitimate excuses. I am sure flat screen TVs are hazardous in some way.

[Guiness]

Missed the game, had no idea what happened.

Just checked the score and laughed out loud. Not 'lol' but actually laughed. Flynn threw for 480 yards and 6TD's? Nice.

What happened with Johnson though? Looks like Williams was covering him, maybe with help deep from Peprah? Looks like they just didn't have a solution to him.

[Pugger]

The NFL Network is airing a condensed replay of the game Tuesday night.