How Much Sway Should a QB Hold Over a Team?

[pbmax]

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_781267.html

Steelers say not nearly as much as he previously had. While Roethlisberger has been taken down a peg, much time remains to see if he can take that peg and stick it where the Steelers will really feel it.

Since the playoff loss:

1. His preferred candidate for coordinator was rumored to be gone.
2. Tomlin said Ben would have no say in the coordinator decision.
3. BR's preferred guy "retired" from the Steelers. Then was hired somewhere else less than two weeks later.
4. Hired a guy who owes the organization everything for gesture of gratitude that kept him off the streets (Haley's father worked for the Steelers and Todd wasn't getting a lot of feelers).

Of course, at least as the reporter sees it, this was after letting Roethlisberger be in charge himself for quite a while. So they are attempting to put the genie back in the bottle.

[KYPack]

Big bump coming in the Burgh no matter what big Ben thinks. The Stealers are way over the cap. Some huge heads will roll for the Black and Gold as they basically have to start over with Kids.

[Upnorth]

The steelers tend to rebuild well, or at least it feels that way.

As to the original question the only influence should be based on his role. Manning as the play caller should have more influance than Alex Smith the game manager.

[pbmax]

The Burgermeisters have already redone a half dozen contracts to this end.

Redone: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/10/steelers-clear-117-million-with-timmons-woodley-restructurings/

Could be redone: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/10/steelers-have-other-candidates-for-creatingcap-room/

Was redone: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/10/steelers-restructure-ike-taylors-contract-too/

Hines Ward will or won't be back next season (this report says no, others have said 'Not so fast ...': http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/10/report-hines-ward-wont-be-back-with-steelers/

[Fritz]

At the risk of sounding old....whatever happened to the days when the players played and the GM's GM'ed and the coaches coached?

I never liked the criticism of Barry Sanders in Detroit that he didn't piss and moan enough to the front office when the Leos were sorta kinda talented and maybe a couple steps away...critics said it was a lack of leadership. I say leadership does not extend to telling the front office what to do.

[bobblehead]

To answer the thread title. Very little to none. I have no problem with saying nice things about your teammates (we should really try and resign scott wells. Scotty plays a huge role here). Making ultimatums and calling out management is frowned on in this case.

[Guiness]

At the risk of sounding old....whatever happened to the days when the players played and the GM's GM'ed and the coaches coached?

I never liked the criticism of Barry Sanders in Detroit that he didn't piss and moan enough to the front office when the Leos were sorta kinda talented and maybe a couple steps away...critics said it was a lack of leadership. I say leadership does not extend to telling the front office what to do.

What happened? The players became multi-millionaire media personalities who hold some sway. You can't blame them, they're using the tools they've got, the days of Vince trading a guy who showed up late for practice are gone.

[Smeefers]

At the risk of sounding old....whatever happened to the days when the players played and the GM's GM'ed and the coaches coached?

I never liked the criticism of Barry Sanders in Detroit that he didn't piss and moan enough to the front office when the Leos were sorta kinda talented and maybe a couple steps away...critics said it was a lack of leadership. I say leadership does not extend to telling the front office what to do.

If that's what you want, I suggest looking up College or High school football. Those players have nothing riding on the outcome of every game except pride. Proffessionals on the other hand have quite a bit riding on the outcome of games. Many contracts are sprinkled with bonus' and incentives and front office decisions directly relate to players pocket books. These guys don't kill themselves there entire life to just sit back and be happy with what they get during the prime of their career. I think we all can agree Barry Sanders was an exception in almost everything he did, not the rule.