2012 Free Agent Watch [Archive] - Page 2

wist43

03-17-2012, 10:01 AM

Any minute now I'm expecting to hear about a giant midcontinent collision of many dozens of players from 31 teams rushing to their new teams.The only rushing in Green Bay is away by the players who have been cast off or are leaving of their own volition.

TT has assembled a SB winner using his draft and develope philosophy. Are we now witnessing the demise of that team so soon because we can't pay the players that the Packers developed? Or am I just being impatient; or seeing the glass half empty?

I'm hoping the draft will be a pleasant surprise!!!!!

I think Ted's philosophy is fine - what's gone wrong is players that were kept on the roster for depth and development, didn't progress, and have proven they can't play.

Of course not all of these developmental guys are going to pan out and end up sliding into a starter's role - but what happened to the Packers is that multiple players, at multiple positions, all failed... and when players are all bunched in one area (front seven), you're going to be left with glaring holes to fill.

TT went offense, offense, and more offense in last year's draft expecting that Wilson, Wynn, Walden, Zombo, Jones, Greene, Neal, and Hawk were adequate front seven players - well?? lol... not so much, huh?? Greene is long in the tooth, but all those other guys fit TT's philosophy of stay young and develop - what does he do now that it's been shown there's nothing there to develop??

The Packers front seven is a completely dead unit - so what does TT do??

He made a phone call to inquire about Kendall Langford, and he'd certainly be a welcome addition, but unless TT brings in 5 quality front seven players, we'd still be a ways off from being able to field an average unit. I'd say bringing 3 quality, NFL calibur players, wouldn't do much to move us from being the worst defense in the NFL.

We need a complete transfusion at DE,DT,LB... we need 4-5 new solid rotation/starters on the field. After that, TT needs to address depth as well; afterall, if the starters we have aren't even good enough to be depth, what does that say about the depth behind our pathetic starters??

TT needs to start from scratch with the front seven.

denverYooper

03-17-2012, 10:40 AM

Welp... Langford signed with the Rams too. They're signing all of our free agents!

wist43

03-17-2012, 10:42 AM

Welp... Langford signed with the Rams too. They're signing all of our free agents!

Well, at least Ted located his phone and made a call... baby steps ;)

denverYooper

03-17-2012, 10:44 AM

St Louis: All of your Free Agents Are Belong To Us!!

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 10:45 AM

I think Ted's philosophy is fine - what's gone wrong is players that were kept on the roster for depth and development, didn't progress, and have proven they can't play.

Of course not all of these developmental guys are going to pan out and end up sliding into a starter's role - but what happened to the Packers is that multiple players, at multiple positions, all failed... and when players are all bunched in one area (front seven), you're going to be left with glaring holes to fill.

TT went offense, offense, and more offense in last year's draft expecting that Wilson, Wynn, Walden, Zombo, Jones, Greene, Neal, and Hawk were adequate front seven players - well?? lol... not so much, huh?? Greene is long in the tooth, but all those other guys fit TT's philosophy of stay young and develop - what does he do now that it's been shown there's nothing there to develop??

The Packers front seven is a completely dead unit - so what does TT do??

He made a phone call to inquire about Kendall Langford, and he'd certainly be a welcome addition, but unless TT brings in 5 quality front seven players, we'd still be a ways off from being able to field an average unit. I'd say bringing 3 quality, NFL calibur players, wouldn't do much to move us from being the worst defense in the NFL.

We need a complete transfusion at DE,DT,LB... we need 4-5 new solid rotation/starters on the field. After that, TT needs to address depth as well; afterall, if the starters we have aren't even good enough to be depth, what does that say about the depth behind our pathetic starters??

TT needs to start from scratch with the front seven.

wist I believe your right. not basically right or use any other qualifier. You've nailed it down. Our developmentle program cannot develop a better product from what's presently available. OUR 'D' is very bad without any real hope of really improving with our present roster.

I can certainly hope that Ted Thompson is insigtful / honest with himself and his roster to do the hard stuff. Eliminate and replace.

As Packer fan I will continue to look for some signs towords that result. I will do my best to believe in Ted Thompson. He may have the best blueprint . He needs to rebuild.

GO Ted Thompson.

Bretsky

03-17-2012, 10:52 AM

Well, at least Ted located his phone and made a call... baby steps ;)

five clap

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:07 AM

five clap

Ohh Boy !! (-: I can see the crap flying here soon as the Ted Thompson 'Love Section' steps up.

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:14 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/rams-score-langford-jason-jones-may-now-pick-seattle/

Rams score Kendall Langford; Jason Jones may now pick Seattle

Posted by Evan Silva on March 17, 2012, 11:58 AM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

Kendall Langford gets a 4 year $24 M contract with a $12 M gurantee.

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:28 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/saints-hosting-bunkley-and-other-free-agent-defensive-tackle-notes/

Saints hosting Brodrick Bunkley, and other free agent defensive tackle notes

Posted by Evan Silva on March 17, 2012, 11:11 AM EDT

ThunderDan

03-17-2012, 11:43 AM

I think Ted's philosophy is fine - what's gone wrong is players that were kept on the roster for depth and development, didn't progress, and have proven they can't play.

Of course not all of these developmental guys are going to pan out and end up sliding into a starter's role - but what happened to the Packers is that multiple players, at multiple positions, all failed... and when players are all bunched in one area (front seven), you're going to be left with glaring holes to fill.

TT went offense, offense, and more offense in last year's draft expecting that Wilson, Wynn, Walden, Zombo, Jones, Greene, Neal, and Hawk were adequate front seven players - well?? lol... not so much, huh?? Greene is long in the tooth, but all those other guys fit TT's philosophy of stay young and develop - what does he do now that it's been shown there's nothing there to develop??

The Packers front seven is a completely dead unit - so what does TT do??

He made a phone call to inquire about Kendall Langford, and he'd certainly be a welcome addition, but unless TT brings in 5 quality front seven players, we'd still be a ways off from being able to field an average unit. I'd say bringing 3 quality, NFL calibur players, wouldn't do much to move us from being the worst defense in the NFL.

We need a complete transfusion at DE,DT,LB... we need 4-5 new solid rotation/starters on the field. After that, TT needs to address depth as well; afterall, if the starters we have aren't even good enough to be depth, what does that say about the depth behind our pathetic starters??

TT needs to start from scratch with the front seven.

Last year there was no OTAs or "real" training camp training time because of the lockout.

It obviously hurt the Pack in developing the Sam Shields of the world. MM seems to be able to develop players. Last year the time to do it was severely limited.

Bretsky

03-17-2012, 03:30 PM

Every team could say the same.
Last year most experts felt like the teams that would get hurt the least by no OTA's were veteran teams like GB or PITT who went deep into the playoffs.
I think a lot of teams were negatively hurt for more than GB; Phily comes to mind.

Cleft Crusty

03-17-2012, 03:47 PM

I'd say bringing 3 quality, NFL calibur players, wouldn't do much to move us from being the worst defense in the NFL.

Looks like we have a Fantasy Football fan here.

gbgary

03-17-2012, 05:29 PM

have we signed anyone? http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:forums.corvetteforum.com/get/images/smilies/Yawn.gif

http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:forums.corvetteforum.com/get/images/smilies/wink5.gif

Joemailman

03-17-2012, 06:35 PM

pbmax

03-17-2012, 08:05 PM

Looks like we have a Fantasy Football fan here.

Not to mention that wist thinks the worst defense is the one that gives up the most yards. I thought points were the, uh, point?

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 10:47 PM

gbgary....??

Signed !?? What do you mean...signed anyone??

"Playoff!?? What do you mean...playoffs"

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 10:53 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/steve-young-harbaugh-threw-with-peyton-probably-will-sign-him/

Steve Young: Harbaugh threw with Peyton, probably will sign him

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 17, 2012, 12:12 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 10:55 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/bengals-end-free-agency-drought-by-signing-travelle-wharton/

Bengals end free agency drought by signing Travelle Wharton

Posted by Evan Silva on March 17, 2012, 1:04 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 10:56 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/mike-tolbert-to-steelers-is-not-happening/

Mike Tolbert to Steelers is “not happening”

Posted by Evan Silva on March 17, 2012, 1:23 PM EDT

gbpackfan

03-17-2012, 10:57 PM

Mario Manningham just signed with the 49ers. If they get Payton, watch out. Meanwhile, our crappy defense is not improving and the offense has only gotten weaker. Wake up Teddy, wake up.

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 10:59 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/patriots-want-brandon-lloyd-to-lower-his-asking-price/

Patriots want Brandon Lloyd to lower his asking price

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 17, 2012, 1:25 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:01 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/jerricho-cotchery-to-visit-the-chiefs-early-next-week/

Jerricho Cotchery to visit the Chiefs early next week

Posted by Evan Silva on March 17, 2012, 1:37 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:02 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/seahawks-agree-to-one-year-deal-with-jason-jones/

Seahawks agree to one-year deal with Jason Jones

Posted by Evan Silva on March 17, 2012, 1:51 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:03 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/breaking-down-the-mario-williams-deal/

Breaking down the Mario Williams deal

Posted by Mike Florio on March 17, 2012, 2:17 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:06 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/lloyd-contract-struggle-dusts-off-condon-vs-pats-feud/

Brandon Lloyd contract struggle dusts off Condon vs. Pats feud

Posted by Mike Florio on March 17, 2012, 2:45 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:09 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/titans-say-peyton-manning-is-throwing-the-ball-well/

Titans say Peyton Manning is throwing the ball well

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 17, 2012, 3:03 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:11 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/eagles-evan-mathis-extend-their-relationship/

Eagles, Evan Mathis extend their relationship

Posted by Mike Florio on March 17, 2012, 3:57 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:13 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/lloyd-negotiations-not-about-team-vs-agent-yet/

Lloyd negotiations not about team vs. agent, yet

Posted by Mike Florio on March 17, 2012, 4:37 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:14 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/erin-henderson-says-he-hasnt-received-a-respectable-offer/

Erin Henderson says he hasn’t received a respectable offer

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 17, 2012, 5:04 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:15 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/patriots-sign-anthony-gonzalez/

Patriots sign Anthony Gonzalez

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 17, 2012, 5:40 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:18 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/jets-make-offer-to-reggie-nelson/

Jets make offer to Reggie Nelson

Posted by Mike Florio on March 17, 2012, 6:07 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:22 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/eric-winston-is-the-chiefs-new-right-tackle/

Eric Winston is the Chiefs’ new right tackle

Posted by Evan Silva on March 17, 2012, 7:03 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:23 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/chiefs-sign-brady-quinn/

Chiefs sign Brady Quinn

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 17, 2012, 7:22 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:24 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/bengals-announce-deal-with-former-first-round-pick-jason-allen/

Bengals announce deal with former first-round pick Jason Allen

Posted by Evan Silva on March 17, 2012, 7:36 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:28 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/lions-keep-trusty-backup-quarterback-shaun-hill/

Lions keep trusty backup quarterback Shaun Hill

Posted by Evan Silva on March 17, 2012, 7:53 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:30 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/rex-grossman-agrees-to-one-year-deal-with-redskins/

Rex Grossman agrees to one-year deal with Redskins

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 17, 2012, 8:08 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:31 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/chargers-re-sign-backup-tight-end-randy-mcmichael/

Chargers re-sign backup tight end Randy McMichael

Posted by Evan Silva on March 17, 2012, 8:12 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:33 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/lions-re-sign-jeff-backus/

Lions re-sign Jeff Backus

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 17, 2012, 8:14 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:34 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/patriots-reach-agreement-with-brandon-lloyd/

Patriots reach agreement with Brandon Lloyd

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 17, 2012, 8:30 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:35 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/rams-in-contract-negotiations-with-mario-manningham/

Rams in contract negotiations with Mario Manningham

Posted by Evan Silva on March 17, 2012, 9:00 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:37 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/winston-gets-22-million-over-four-years/

Winston gets $22 million over four years

Posted by Mike Florio on March 17, 2012, 9:42 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:39 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/ted-ginn-visited-the-ravens-this-week/

Ted Ginn visited the Ravens this week

Posted by Evan Silva on March 17, 2012, 11:03 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:51 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/manningham-lands-in-san-francisco/

Manningham lands in San Francisco

Posted by Mike Florio on March 17, 2012, 11:30 PM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

Ohh Ohh ! Peyton Manning>>>>Mario Manningham !??

Ohh Ohh ! Peyton Manning >>>> Randy Moss >>>> Michael Crabtree >>>> Vernon Davis etc **

** and here it comes>>> next post !!! The 49ers are serious !!!

woodbuck27

03-17-2012, 11:52 PM

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7704416/2012-nfl-free-agency-mario-manningham-san-francisco-49ers-agree-two-year-deal

Mario Manningham, 49ers have deal

Updated: March 18, 2012, 12:38 AM ET

ESPN.com news services

woodbuck27

03-18-2012, 12:14 AM

Lots of things on the FA front happened again tis St. Paddys Day. I thought most of these up and coming very rich fellas would be spending more quality time tis day in a pub.

smuggler

03-18-2012, 01:22 AM

Sometimes the musical chairs are funny. This mediocre receiver replaces that. A backup guard from here to there. Missing out on bargains like Eric Winston sucks, but then you see contracts like the one Pierre Garcon got and you're happy to keep out of that mess.

sheepshead

03-18-2012, 08:02 AM

Once again I come here looking for comments, not cut and pasted stuff I have already read. Maybe we need a new thread for comments and some inside info, some wild speculation? Thanks

Cleft Crusty

03-18-2012, 08:53 AM

Once again I come here looking for comments, not cut and pasted stuff I have already read. Maybe we need a new thread for comments and some inside info, some wild speculation? Thanks

Perhaps you could generate a thread entitled: "Sheepshead's deep insights on all the cut and pasted FA materials on Packerrats" move the ball forward, sir, and stop clicking on the threads upon which a certain Woodbuck has repeatedly shat.

woodbuck27

03-18-2012, 09:20 AM

Once again I come here looking for comments, not cut and pasted stuff I have already read. Maybe we need a new thread for comments and some inside info, some wild speculation? Thanks

sheepshead are you an Irish American? Are you suffering some hangover?

If your suffering some hangover and your here to post comment and more than usual annoid with anything woodbuck27.

My advice do not read this thread. The solution to ' YOUR Problem sheepshead '. Don't try to make it mine Sir. That would be a futile or wasted effort.

I decided to create a thread that was primarily designed to cover this seasons FREE AGENCY activity and if you took the time to give it a real chance you might 'in fact' grow as an NFL fan . IMO to grow you have to have a personality open to such pursuit.

You ask yourself if that's valid in your life sheepshead. Really? Should I give a damn?

I do ! (-: Try to get over yourself and simply stop visiting this thread. It's that simple.

Having given you this simple advice I do NOT expect any response from you man. Thank You.

Have a GREAT Day ! (-: woodbuck27 .... Ed

woodbuck27

03-18-2012, 09:30 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/brandon-lloyd-ready-for-work-in-new-england/

Brandon Lloyd “ready for work” in New England

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 18, 2012, 7:48 AM EDT

woodbuck27

03-18-2012, 09:33 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/alex-smith-visiting-the-dolphins-today/

Alex Smith visiting the Dolphins today

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 18, 2012, 8:22 AM EDT

woodbuck27

03-18-2012, 09:43 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/dolphins-or-seahawks-matt-flynns-dad-says-decision-will-come-soon/

Dolphins or Seahawks? Matt Flynn’s dad says decision will come soon

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 18, 2012, 9:13 AM EDT

woodbuck27

03-18-2012, 09:45 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/rex-grossman-promises-to-be-a-good-soldier/

Rex Grossman promises to be a “good soldier”

Posted by Mike Florio on March 18, 2012, 10:28 AM EDT

woodbuck27

03-18-2012, 11:30 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/harbaugh-peyton-may-not-be-an-ideal-fit/

Harbaugh, Peyton may not be an ideal fit

Posted by Mike Florio on March 18, 2012, 11:17 AM EDT

woodbuck27

03-18-2012, 12:27 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/alex-smith-says-nothing-surprises-him-anymore/

Alex Smith says nothing surprises him anymore

Posted by Mike Florio on March 18, 2012, 11:36 AM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

The DRAMA expands. (-:

woodbuck27

03-18-2012, 12:32 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/elways-quest-to-move-on-from-tebow-may-not-end-with-manning/

Elway’s quest to move on from Tebow may not end with Manning

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 18, 2012, 12:52 PM EDT

Joemailman

03-18-2012, 12:36 PM

Woody, sometimes less is more.

woodbuck27

03-18-2012, 12:44 PM

Brandon494

03-18-2012, 12:51 PM

I know it hasn't been mentioned but the 49ers should go after Fylnn.

Guiness

03-18-2012, 12:51 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/david-garrard-will-be-next-quarterback-to-visit-dolphins/

David Garrard will be next quarterback to visit Dolphins

Posted by Evan Silva on March 18, 2012, 1:15 PM EDT

I find that interesting - Garrard is older (34) but it doesn't seem like there are a lot of miles on that body. Got jerked around in Jax, they never really had it together there. He missed time due to injury, were they the nagging type? Add that A. Smith has visited there.

woodbuck27

03-18-2012, 12:59 PM

gbgary

03-18-2012, 01:20 PM

stop clicking on the threads upon which a certain Woodbuck has repeatedly shat.

lol

wist43

03-18-2012, 01:36 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/interest-heats-up-in-free-agent-pass-rusher-mark-anderson/

Interest heats up in free agent pass rusher Mark Anderson

Posted by Evan Silva on March 18, 2012, 1:36 PM EDT

Well, again... same as with Wimbley, he'd be better than anyone we currently have on the roster.

sheepshead

03-18-2012, 01:41 PM

sheepshead are you an Irish American? Are you suffering some hangover?

If your suffering some hangover and your here to post comment and more than usual annoid with anything woodbuck27.

My advice do not read this thread. The solution to ' YOUR Problem sheepshead '. Don't try to make it mine Sir. That would be a futile or wasted effort.

I decided to create a thread that was primarily designed to cover this seasons FREE AGENCY activity and if you took the time to give it a real chance you might 'in fact' grow as an NFL fan . IMO to grow you have to have a personality open to such pursuit.

You ask yourself if that's valid in your life sheepshead. Really? Should I give a damn?

I do ! (-: Try to get over yourself and simply stop visiting this thread. It's that simple.

Having given you this simple advice I do NOT expect any response from you man. Thank You.

Have a GREAT Day ! (-: woodbuck27 .... Ed

Im trying to be constructive-you're being a dick

smuggler

03-18-2012, 01:56 PM

Well, again... same as with Wimbley, he'd be better than anyone we currently have on the roster.

He's exclusively a 4-3 DE.

pbmax

03-18-2012, 02:17 PM

I know it hasn't been mentioned but the 49ers should go after Fylnn.

Is he an upgrade over Smith though?

pbmax

03-18-2012, 02:18 PM

He's exclusively a 4-3 DE.

I thought he has also played OLB in a 3-4?

Upnorth

03-18-2012, 02:40 PM

Is he an upgrade over Smith though?

Flynn may have a much better oline and receiving corp on his side, but Flynn has shown more promise than Smith by far.

woodbuck27

03-18-2012, 02:46 PM

Woody, sometimes less is more.

It's also alot simpler. (-:

woodbuck27

03-18-2012, 02:49 PM

Im trying to be constructive-you're being a dick

Now that's NOT nice. (-: If I'm in your opinion bothering you in any way address that best you can. Otherwise please ignore this thread. Also don't come here and resort to some personal vedetta.

I'm NOT your enemy. Thank You Packer fan.

What exactly is your issue?

Are you missing the value of this thread in terms of the NFL Free Agency Process in it's most dynamic sense? The now.

In my initial post for this thread:

2012 Free Agent Watch

"I thought we could have a thread that's all about where FA'a are or are not going?"woodbuck27

Again sheepshead... this thread is dedicated to information regarding players that are Free Agents and their movements to secure a new contract.

My hopes for anyone here is simply take the time to read what's behind a post or any LINK and respond as you may feel.

I'm trying to have a thread for Packerrats overall knowledge. I acknowledge that possibly this information is most valuable to true NFL fans maybe not so much for more strictly Green Bay Packer fans. I assure tyou if your an NFL fan there is much to learn from this thread that's positive.

I cannot cater this thread with any distinction for both types of fans. I hope you see and understand this sheepshead.

Try to be nice man. (-; It may work best 'for you'.

woodbuck27

03-18-2012, 04:08 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/garrard-expected-to-visit-rams-after-dolphins/related/

Garrard expected to visit Rams after Dolphins

Posted by Evan Silva on March 18, 2012, 4:55 PM EDT

Bretsky

03-18-2012, 04:52 PM

BREAKING NEWS

FLYNN appears to just have signed with SEATTLE !!!

woodbuck27

03-18-2012, 04:55 PM

BREAKING NEWS

FLYNN appears to just have signed with SEATTLE !!!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...hawks/related/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/flynn-picks-the-seahawks/related/)

Flynn picks the Seahawks

Posted by Mike Florio on March 18, 2012, 5:34 PM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

He gets a three year deal. $26 M and $10M guranteed.

Reports are saying that... Flynn will sign a three-year deal worth up to $26 million, with $10 million guaranteed. The maximum annual value of less than $9 million reflects skepticism regarding Flynn’s ability to get it done as the week-in, week-out starting quarterback. And the “up to” means that the deal includes incentive payments, likely based on whether he plays.

MJZiggy

03-18-2012, 05:14 PM

I know it hasn't been mentioned but the 49ers should go after Fylnn.

Interesting thought. I wonder if they're looking for the "experienced" vet because their number 1 draft pick didn't do so well when tossed into the deep end.

pbmax

03-18-2012, 05:22 PM

Now that's NOT nice. (-: If I'm in your opinion bothering you in any way address that best you can. Otherwise please ignore this thread. Also don't come here and resort to some personal vedetta.

He did address it the best he could. And then you questioned whether he was a drunk Irishman.

Perhaps you should apologize for that first, then maybe Sheep will apologize for calling you a penis.

smuggler

03-18-2012, 07:03 PM

Yes! His annual salary is enough for a 3rd round comp! All he has to do now is start 16 games and we're golden!

Lurker64

03-18-2012, 07:39 PM

I think the money that Flynn signed for justifies TT's decision not to franchise him. If Flynn couldn't get more than $10m guaranteed on the open market, it would be a hard sell to convince a team to give him $14.4m guaranteed and give the Packers a premium draft pick.

Patler

03-18-2012, 07:47 PM

Bretsky

03-18-2012, 07:50 PM

Lurker64

03-18-2012, 07:51 PM

Especially when you also consider that they were willing to commit to him for only 3 years.

Part of this could be Flynn's representatives noticing how lukewarm the market was for Flynn and wanting another bite at the apple after the new TV contracts bump the salary cap up, and when there's not a first ballot hall of famer at QB available as an unrestricted free agent.

Patler

03-18-2012, 07:51 PM

Apparently the contract isn't even that good, per JSO:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/143259726.html

3 years $19 million, $24 million possible.

Lurker64

03-18-2012, 08:03 PM

Apparently the contract isn't even that good, per JSO:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/143259726.html

3 years $19 million, $24 million possible.

If that's really the market for Flynn, I could see franchising Flynn resulting in other teams having TT over a barrel in the sense that they had to give up Flynn and another player to get a draft pick that's not a day 3 pick next year.

I'm wondering if that's why New England had to throw in Mike Vrabel in the Matt Cassel trade.

Joemailman

03-18-2012, 08:11 PM

Painfully obvious that we valued Matt Flynn way more than the rest of the NFL

Apparently, but I think we will be proven right. I will Flynn will be better than the QB's of some teams who did not pursue him.

Lurker64

03-18-2012, 08:40 PM

Apparently, but I think we will be proven right. I will Flynn will be better than the QB's of some teams who did not pursue him.

I agree, but I think TT is absolutely vindicated in his decision to not franchise Flynn. Can you imagine the angst in Packerland if TT had cut DD and Clifton in order to make room to franchise Flynn, meanwhile Langford and Wells sign with the Rams, Myers signs with the Texans, Wimbley is a free agent, and Ted can't do anything in FA because he can't find someone to take Flynn off his hands for more than a fourth round pick?

Joemailman

03-18-2012, 08:51 PM

No doubt TT made the right decision. I have to believe the availability of Manning hurt TT's chances of being able to arrange a deal prior to having to make the decision on whether to franchise Flynn.

hoosier

03-18-2012, 08:52 PM

He did address it the best he could. And then you questioned whether he was a drunk Irishman.

Perhaps you should apologize for that first, then maybe Sheep will apologize for calling you a penis.

Gosh, at my house we just got done with spring break and I think I repeated these exact words like twenty times in the past week. Just uncanny.

King Friday

03-18-2012, 08:56 PM

Painfully obvious that we valued Matt Flynn way more than the rest of the NFL

Perhaps, but it is due to the epic flops of Cassell and Kolb that Flynn got screwed. Had he gone into FA 3 years ago, he would've commanded a king's ransom. Teams are now a little scared of taking a guy who is successful in another system, actually now having the thought that it won't automatically translate to theirs, which is probably more reasonable than their previous belief that any QB who looks good for 6 games is a franchise QB in the making.

If Flynn turns out to be a success, the next guy will probably end up getting a king's ransom again. It's all "what have you done for me lately" in the NFL.

falco

03-18-2012, 08:59 PM

Nice to see that the entire PFT website has been cut and paste onto packerrats.

falco

03-18-2012, 09:00 PM

Part of this could be Flynn's representatives noticing how lukewarm the market was for Flynn and wanting another bite at the apple after the new TV contracts bump the salary cap up, and when there's not a first ballot hall of famer at QB available as an unrestricted free agent.

I think this is spot on.

Guiness

03-18-2012, 10:25 PM

Gosh, at my house we just got done with spring break and I think I repeated these exact words like twenty times in the past week. Just uncanny.

*ROFL*

Does 'soused git of a Scotsman count as well?'

Guiness

03-18-2012, 10:29 PM

I think Flynn got a good contract for what he is - a guy who has shown some promise, but not given enough of a chance to prove it. A ~$20mil/3yr deal is a long way from a 7th round pick who was supposed to be a camp arm while Brohm secured the backup role.

That contract is more than a 2nd round pick will get this year, that tells you something.

sheepshead

03-19-2012, 06:24 AM

Nice to see that the entire PFT website has been cut and paste onto packerrats.
I know, right..

hoosier

03-19-2012, 07:28 AM

*ROFL*

Does 'soused git of a Scotsman count as well?'

I think that definitely qualifies, though my kids are too young to appreciate the cultural distinctions between Irish and Scottish drunks. :-)

pbmax

03-19-2012, 07:29 AM

It didn't help Flynn to hit the market in the first flat cap year ever, either. 2 starts plus mop up time just wasn't enough. But I am pretty sure unless Pete Carrol has completely lost his mind that Flynn wins the job. He should get every opportunity in practice since he is making the most money. And his beard will go well with Charlie Whitehurst's.

My only concern for Flynn is WR where banged up Sidney Rice is option 1A-1D.

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 07:33 AM

He did address it the best he could. And then you questioned whether he was a drunk Irishman.

Perhaps you should apologize for that first, then maybe Sheep will apologize for calling you a penis.

sheepshead called me 'a penis'. Well I hadn't noticed. If I did it wouldn't bother me as why should such as that insult me? What merit is in the insult? Certainly not enough merit for any response.

Any man that calls another 'a penis' is certainly ignorant...or grossly lacking in terms of knowledge and anatomy.

I'll add this... The ignorant can never insult a man of composure. Also any man should be forgiving for having a 'bad day'.

The thing that really concerns me.......

************************************************** ***********

I address this strictly to you pbmax:

pbmax...come on man. Don't get sucked into their crap. Don't you get it? Your over the top too smart to be missing it.

Having informed you pbmax that I believe you have certain honor to yourself...certain integrity... I offer this: **

************************************************** *********************************************

** I aplogize to everyone. As a member of Packerrats I apologize !

I aplogize for the way certain member insist on acting. I apologize that I am a member that has to engage attacks and accusations. I apologize if my attempts to do so do not meet the conforming standards of the powers to be.... for any members here that are confused by me.

I just aplogize for 'the negative attitudes', that I observe from some members here that I do my best to contend with. I'm here trying to enjoy being a footbal fan. Dear Lord help us all.

As far as pissing on me...that will never stop 'as concerns me'. My enjoyment of Packerrats and their pissing on me simply comes with the territory. I'm cool and will somehow handle these posters with some decency and manners.

i want to get along with everyone who's a member at Packerrats. I realize that's as in any community unrealistic. I will continue to do my best not to allow these matter compromise Packerrats for the greater good of this forum.

I wish it wasn't so. I'm only one...it takes two.

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 10:04 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/special-monday-10-pack-winners-and-losers-in-free-agency/

Comment woodbuck27: Please see the next post for this entire report of winners and losers so far in the 2012 FA.

Winner: Packers.

G.M. Ted Thompson rarely makes a big splash in free agency. The biggest exception came in 2006, when at the very public urging of quarterback Brett Favre the team signed cornerback Charles Woodson (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/840/charles-woodson).

Other than that, the Packers under Thompson take a very conservative approach, building through the draft and using free agency on a limited basis, with low-cost talent addressing specific needs.

It’s not sexy this time of year. But this isn’t the time of year when championships are won. Unlike downtrodden organizations (such as the Packers themselves in 1993, when Reggie White chose Green Bay from a long list of suitors), the Packers don’t need to do anything to fire up the fan base or breathe life into the franchise.

It’s the right approach for this specific team.

The Packers have won, once again, by doing nothing.

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 10:05 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/special-monday-10-pack-winners-and-losers-in-free-agency/

Special Monday 10-pack: Winners and losers in free agency

Posted by Mike Florio on March 19, 2012, 9:32 AM EDT

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 10:07 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/hampton-gives-steelers-more-than-3-million-in-cap-space/

Hampton gives Steelers more than $3 million in cap space

Posted by Mike Florio on March 18, 2012, 2:07 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 10:12 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/frank-gore-gushes-over-one-of-the-best-ever-peyton-manning/

Frank Gore gushes over “one of the best ever” Peyton Manning

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 18, 2012, 4:25 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 10:54 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/broncos-re-sign-middle-linebacker-joe-mays/

Broncos re-sign middle linebacker Joe Mays

Posted by Evan Silva on March 18, 2012, 6:45 PM EDT

Cleft Crusty

03-19-2012, 11:00 AM

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 11:08 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/bengals-re-sign-reggie-nelson/

Bengals re-sign Reggie Nelson

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 18, 2012, 6:50 PM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

No available Contract info. in this report.

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 11:14 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/low-demand-for-veteran-running-backs/

Low demand for veteran running backs

Posted by Mike Florio on March 18, 2012, 7:44 PM

Comment woodbuck27:

Peyton Hillis — got a one-year deal with a base value of $2.6 million.

Michael Bush , Mike Tolbert, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Kevin Smith, Cedric Benson, and Justin Forsett are currently looking for contracts.

Patler

03-19-2012, 11:19 AM

Apparently the contract isn't even that good, per JSO:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/143259726.html

3 years $19 million, $24 million possible.

I'll check my notes, but I think it's better than what he was getting in Green Bay.

My reference to the contract not being "that good" was that it was not as high as originally reported, which was a three year deal for $26 M, with $10M guaranteed. It had nothing to do with what he had been paid in GB in the past.

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 11:26 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/after-losing-out-on-nelson-jets-look-to-atogwe/

After losing out on Reggie Nelson, Jets look to O. J. Atogwe

Posted by Evan Silva on March 18, 2012, 8:35 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 11:30 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/alex-smith-dolphins-are-negotiating/

Alex Smith, Dolphins are negotiating

Posted by Mike Florio on March 18, 2012, 8:45 PM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

Reports say that Alex Smith already has on the table a three-year, $24 million offer from the 49ers.

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 11:36 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/lions-will-host-david-hawthorne-on-tuesday/

Lions will host David Hawthorne on Tuesday

Posted by Mike Florio on March 18, 2012, 10:06 PM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

Lions hope to bring back linebacker Stephen Tulloch; that won’t stop them from taking a closer look at linebacker David Hawthorne who was with Seattle for the last 3 seasons.

Cheesehead Craig

03-19-2012, 11:39 AM

I gotta say, I find it surprising that Michael Bush isn't getting more interest. I thought he performed pretty well last year and would have found a decent contract by now.

Any thoughts on him?

pbmax

03-19-2012, 11:39 AM

My reference to the contract not being "that good" was that it was not as high as originally reported, which was a three year deal for $26 M, with $10M guaranteed. It had nothing to do with what he had been paid in GB in the past.

I think I have read that $26 mil is still a possibility if he and the team play at a very high level. But the compensation in the third year would encourage a redo. His minimum for two years is just over $13 mil and can be $16 if he starts this year (have not seen trigger laid out in detail). So if he flops, $10 mil guaranteed, if he starts and makes it to year two, between $13 and $16 mil. If he is lights out, new contract. Not a bad deal for either side.

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 11:40 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/ryan-clark-says-no-one-wants-to-join-the-dolphins/

Ryan Clark says “no one” wants to join the Dolphins

Posted by Mike Florio on March 18, 2012, 10:38 PM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

Re: The Miami Dolphins and not seeming to be able to secure players and speculation the problem may be Miami G.M. Jeff Ireland.

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 11:42 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/jets-scheduled-to-host-free-agent-donnie-avery/

Jets scheduled to host free agent WR Donnie Avery

Posted by Evan Silva on March 18, 2012, 11:11 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 11:44 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/peyton-takes-charge-of-his-search-for-a-new-team/

Peyton Manning takes charge of his search for a new team

Posted by Mike Florio on March 19, 2012, 8:15 AM EDT

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 11:59 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...jeff-saturday/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/with-peyton-heading-to-denver-broncos-may-sign-jeff-saturday/)

With Peyton heading to Denver, Broncos may sign Jeff Saturday

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 19, 2012, 12:19 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 12:00 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/tim-tebow-trade-talks-will-now-begin/

Tim Tebow trade talks will now begin

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 19, 2012, 12:07 PM EDT

Scott Campbell

03-19-2012, 12:01 PM

I had a few spare hours this morning, and consolidated Woody's posts from this thread. Enjoy.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 12:14 PM

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 12:16 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/panthers-sign-mike-tolbert/

Panthers sign Mike Tolbert

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 19, 2012, 12:54 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 12:17 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/bud-adams-on-peyton-im-disappointed-but-well-move-forward/

Bud Adams on Peyton: I’m disappointed, but we’ll move forward

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 19, 2012, 1:03 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 12:34 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/jaguars-dolphins-should-be-at-the-front-of-the-line-for-tebow/

Jaguars, Dolphins should be at the front of the line for Tebow

Posted by Mike Florio on March 19, 2012, 1:27 PM EDT

smuggler

03-19-2012, 12:37 PM

Lions will host David Hawthorne on Tuesday

Stay away, Hawthorne!

Patler

03-19-2012, 12:55 PM

I think I have read that $26 mil is still a possibility if he and the team play at a very high level. But the compensation in the third year would encourage a redo. His minimum for two years is just over $13 mil and can be $16 if he starts this year (have not seen trigger laid out in detail). So if he flops, $10 mil guaranteed, if he starts and makes it to year two, between $13 and $16 mil. If he is lights out, new contract. Not a bad deal for either side.

I think the courtship of Flynn this year shows a little more caution by GM's. Yet, the contract he signed gives Flynn an awful nice chunk of change, while still allowing him to reap the rewards if he proves himself, both short term and long term. If he flops, the Seahawks are done with him very quickly, with no long term cap issues as a result.

Dang, if GMs all start being reasonable like this, it will make it harder for the Packers to compete! :smile:

pbmax

03-19-2012, 01:37 PM

Upnorth

03-19-2012, 02:14 PM

I had a few spare hours this morning, and consolidated Woody's posts from this thread. Enjoy.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/

I prefer woody's format though.

Guiness

03-19-2012, 02:34 PM

I prefer woody's format though.

Same same. Thanks for putting the time into posting the links Woody.

Cleft Crusty

03-19-2012, 02:47 PM

My reference to the contract not being "that good" was that it was not as high as originally reported, which was a three year deal for $26 M, with $10M guaranteed. It had nothing to do with what he had been paid in GB in the past.

I see. Clefty's privileges on the JSonline site have been sharply curtailed, so I didn't quickly check that link. Even so, a curmudgeon can try to be humerus, right. I'm not guaranteeing success, but attempts were made.

Sorry, I think that should be humorous - am struggling with an unexplained swelling in the forearm, and it is preoccupying my mind.

Guiness

03-19-2012, 02:54 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/tim-tebow-trade-talks-will-now-begin/

Tim Tebow trade talks will now begin

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 19, 2012, 12:07 PM EDT

Just strange how little respect the guy is getting. I happen to not like him, or his play much, but dammit, he brought the team to the playoffs, and beat the Steelers. Sure, with a lot of help from the D, but he 'did enough to not lose'. The Ravens won a SB with not much more at the QB position. I think Elway and the rest of the Broncos management is being asses about this - IMO they'd be a lot better off drafting and developing a QB they want, and letting Tebow play the next season or two instead of chasing the expensive pipe dream that is Manning.

Tebow brings a different kind of game. He reminds me of comments about QB's being slightly glorified guards in the 50's. I would think it's hard for DC's to draw on experience to play against him, kind of how the 3-4 D was a wrinkle that caused grief before it became commonplace.

Patler

03-19-2012, 03:05 PM

I think the insanity will be restored in 2014.

I sure hope so! I enjoy watching teams gore their cap situations in free agency. :lol:

Patler

03-19-2012, 03:13 PM

Just strange how little respect the guy is getting. I happen to not like him, or his play much, but dammit, he brought the team to the playoffs, and beat the Steelers. Sure, with a lot of help from the D, but he 'did enough to not lose'. The Ravens won a SB with not much more at the QB position. I think Elway and the rest of the Broncos management is being asses about this - IMO they'd be a lot better off drafting and developing a QB they want, and letting Tebow play the next season or two instead of chasing the expensive pipe dream that is Manning.

Tebow brings a different kind of game. He reminds me of comments about QB's being slightly glorified guards in the 50's. I would think it's hard for DC's to draw on experience to play against him, kind of how the 3-4 D was a wrinkle that caused grief before it became commonplace.

Could Elway be thinking that Tebow can be a decent enough QB for them in the future, with a couple years' seasoning under a very capable starter who will take the pressure and limelight away from him for those few years? In the mean time, Tebow is an experienced enough backup who can be a real change of pace from Manning.

Upnorth

03-19-2012, 03:27 PM

sheepshead

03-19-2012, 03:29 PM

I had a few spare hours this morning, and consolidated Woody's posts from this thread. Enjoy.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/

HAAAAAA.

Woody, Ive been reading Florio for 6-7 years I think. Back to the days when he had a crappy website and we used to IM back and forth on a few occasions. I still have his personal email address that he keeps. I check in there a few times every day. Its unfortunate some of the thinkers on this site cannot chime in on the movements in FA. Do we really need to hear about every journeyman lineman switching AFC teams on here?

Upnorth

03-19-2012, 03:30 PM

Just strange how little respect the guy is getting. I happen to not like him, or his play much, but dammit, he brought the team to the playoffs, and beat the Steelers. Sure, with a lot of help from the D, but he 'did enough to not lose'. The Ravens won a SB with not much more at the QB position. I think Elway and the rest of the Broncos management is being asses about this - IMO they'd be a lot better off drafting and developing a QB they want, and letting Tebow play the next season or two instead of chasing the expensive pipe dream that is Manning.

Tebow brings a different kind of game. He reminds me of comments about QB's being slightly glorified guards in the 50's. I would think it's hard for DC's to draw on experience to play against him, kind of how the 3-4 D was a wrinkle that caused grief before it became commonplace.

If im Denver I keep Tebow. How do you go into a game planning for Manning and still have the D ready for a couple of Tebow change ups??? I would love to see him playa halfback style a couple of times a game, and I think someone here said he had amazing hands in College.

mmmdk

03-19-2012, 03:31 PM

Sign RB Michael Bush or regret it, TT!

Cleft Crusty

03-19-2012, 03:36 PM

Could Elway be thinking that Tebow can be a decent enough QB for them in the future, with a couple years' seasoning under a very capable starter who will take the pressure and limelight away from him for those few years? In the mean time, Tebow is an experienced enough backup who can be a real change of pace from Manning.

This is interesting. I originally posted that I thought it completely impossible that Tebow would stay. Here are some reasons he might:

1) He is a stand up guy and he could tolerate the demotion. Wouldn't be a prima donna about it. No drama.
2) Although I thought that refitting the offense for Manning would squeeze out Tebow, the Tebow offense really isn't that complex. Guy could walk in at any time and run it, with minimal practice during the week, unless...
3) Tebow does learn and grow into a more typical NFL offense, as other have suggested.
4) Your points above make sense too

I still think Elway tries to get rid of Tebow, but now can see how he might be able to stay

Cheesehead Craig

03-19-2012, 04:41 PM

pbmax

03-19-2012, 05:11 PM

If Alex Smith signs with Miami, SF is completely screwed. They tried for Manning and whiffed and in the process could lose Smith. That's an NFC contender that is failing before the season even starts.

I am not going to think about this; if I do it won't come true.

Freak Out

03-19-2012, 06:14 PM

The Favre to the 49ers talk has already begun. :)

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 10:29 PM

The Favre to the 49ers talk has already begun. :)

hahahahahahahaha

If that RUMOR starts ...........you'll be blamed. (-:

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 10:31 PM

If Alex Smith signs with Miami, SF is completely screwed. They tried for Manning and whiffed and in the process could lose Smith. That's an NFC contender that is failing before the season even starts.

That's a dicey situation and he has an $8 Million$ offer on the table in San Fran. Talk about holding some good cards.

ND72

03-19-2012, 10:31 PM

Anyone else see that Jeff Saturday was in GB on a visit today?

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 10:38 PM

Anyone else see that Jeff Saturday was in GB on a visit today?

I'll check that.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/saturday-starts-his-free-agent-tour-in-green-bay/

Saturday starts his free-agent tour in Green Bay

Posted by Mike Florio on March 19, 2012, 7:46 PM EDT

smuggler

03-19-2012, 10:40 PM

Was he cut by the Colts or just a FA? He's 36, so I could see us signing him for the minimum in a 1 year deal. However, if he wasn't cut and signs for more than the minimum, it costs us the comp pick we just got for letting Wells walk (unless some team signs another of our FAs for more than vet minimum also). I wouldn't mind either way, I'm inclined to believe we won't sign him, though.

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 10:43 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/figuring-out-the-fins/

Figuring out the Fins

Posted by Mike Florio on March 19, 2012, 7:00 PM EDT

King Friday

03-19-2012, 10:44 PM

Saturday is a decent stop gap to let a rookie get up to speed...I'm guessing he's not getting more than the minimum at this point.

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 10:45 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/dolphins-to-cut-yeremiah-bell/

Dolphins to cut Yeremiah Bell

Posted by Mike Florio on March 19, 2012, 7:19 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 10:48 PM

Saturday is a decent stop gap to let a rookie get up to speed...I'm guessing he's not getting more than the minimum at this point.

His chances may be best in DENVER. TT will not offer the money he'll need. Saturday will be in and out of Green Bay PRONTO.

TT will whiff on Saturday.

smuggler

03-19-2012, 10:49 PM

^The word you're looking for is 'balk' not 'whiff.' Saturday is ancient. He turns 37 this year.

God, what the hell, Dolphins? Bell is one of their best players on defense. Ugh... Countdown until the Pats sign him.

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 10:58 PM

HAAAAAA.

Woody, Ive been reading Florio for 6-7 years I think. Back to the days when he had a crappy website and we used to IM back and forth on a few occasions. I still have his personal email address that he keeps. I check in there a few times every day. Its unfortunate some of the thinkers on this site cannot chime in on the movements in FA. Do we really need to hear about every journeyman lineman switching AFC teams on here?

Find the COMPLAINT BOX. Write down your complaint on a piece of paper....place that in an envelope with your name inside and on the envelope.

WE will take your complaint into consideration. Possible ammendments may be forthcoming on the 2013 FA threed.

THANK YOU

ND72

03-19-2012, 11:01 PM

His agent on Twitter says Saturday is looking fora 2 year $5 mil contract

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 11:02 PM

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 11:06 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ine-for-tebow/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/jaguars-dolphins-should-be-at-the-front-of-the-line-for-tebow/)

Jaguars, Dolphins should be at the front of the line for Tebow

Posted by Mike Florio on March 19, 2012, 1:27 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 11:10 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/seahawks-cut-jarriel-king/

Seahawks cut Jarriel King

Posted by Josh Alper on March 19, 2012, 2:08 PM EDT

Comment wodbuck27:

This fella is in a mess. We won't be asking him to come in for a visit.

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 11:18 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/broncos-told-peyton-they-can-pay-him-95-million-over-five-years/

Broncos told Peyton they can pay him $95 million over five years

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 19, 2012, 2:08 PM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

Peyton Manning will actually if he plays five seasons... end up with more money than he made in his last 5-Yr. contract with 'the COLTS'. He had been offered $95 Million$ on his first trip to Denver. The BRONCOS were serious. Nice for him to have such an offer as he visited elsewhere.

I wonder if he ever called John Elway again to verify if that was a true offer or just a dream. (-:

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 11:21 PM

More to come from todays FA news..but I'm off to bed. I'll post it later today.

Have a nice day. (-:

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 11:23 PM

His agent on Twitter says Saturday is looking fora 2 year $5 mil contract

If that's true he can talk to TT. That would fit TT's pay schedule.

woodbuck27

03-19-2012, 11:32 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/broncos-not-expecting-much-in-tim-tebow-trade/

Broncos not expecting much in Tim Tebow trade

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 19, 2012, 1:17 PM EDT

HarveyWallbangers

03-20-2012, 08:11 AM

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 08:22 AM

I think the courtship of Flynn this year shows a little more caution by GM's. Yet, the contract he signed gives Flynn an awful nice chunk of change, while still allowing him to reap the rewards if he proves himself, both short term and long term. If he flops, the Seahawks are done with him very quickly, with no long term cap issues as a result.

Dang, if GMs all start being reasonable like this, it will make it harder for the Packers to compete! :smile:

With all the negative media spin on the state of the Franchise in Miami in terms of apparent issues and complaints with the Dolphins GM and front office. Matt Flynn was wise not to get lured to Miami.

The story on the problems in the Miami Dolphins Organization is taking full force. I watched a discussion on this matter on NFL Total Access this morning.

It's bad in Miami. Players are avoiding Miami. Players are desiring to leave Miami. It seems that that organization waqs 'out to lunch' in it's aspirations or delusions to sign Peyton Manning.

The Miami Dolphins GM, 'Jeff Ireland', is under attack.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 08:27 AM

ND72

03-20-2012, 09:04 AM

I think in general teams a bit more careful with tossing money around on free agents just based on what has happened to almost every team in the past 10 years with getting burned on big contracts. You still have a couple big contracts (Mario, Jackson), but years ago, guys like Matt Flynn would have gotten a 5 year $50 Mil contract. Some of the "mid-range" contracts are even a bit lower, while you still say "wow" to guys like Garcon and Mechem for getting kind of semi-fat contracts. It may take a few years, but the draft numbers will help teams a ton. Now, if RG3 is a bust, it may cost Washington $20-30Mill as opposed to even 5 years ago costing them maybe up to $50mil.

Cheesehead Craig

03-20-2012, 09:13 AM

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 10:25 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rs-96-million/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/mannings-deal-is-done-five-years-96-million/)

Manning’s deal is done: five years, $96 million

Posted by Mike Florio on March 20, 2012, 11:19 AM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

No mention of . . . . . ' $$ GURANTEED $$ ' money.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 10:28 AM

Good point. With rookie contracts so much lower (especially the first rounders) there's more money available for the FAs. We may very well see more of the semi-fat contracts.

Yes I like the NFL Apprentiship plan. To ensure the Vet's get their due. It reflects the way most of us live.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 10:44 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/with-peyton-heading-to-denver-broncos-may-sign-jeff-saturday/

With Peyton heading to Denver, Broncos may sign Jeff Saturday

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 19, 2012, 12:19 PM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

We were aware that GM Ted Thompson asked him to visit him last night. I'm soon checking on the status of that visit. If it happened.... the results?

NFL Total ACCESS Reports thst Saturday is expected in DENVER Wed. afternoon.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 10:49 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/titans-to-host-top-free-agent-pass-rusher-kam-wimbley/

Titans to host top free agent pass rusher Kam Wimbley

Posted by Evan Silva on March 19, 2012, 12:46 PM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

Later on in this thread you will see a post that 'in fact' Kam Wimbley did sign a 5 year $35 Million$ contract with Tennessee. I'm just trying to maintain some timeline.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 10:52 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/michael-bennett-signs-tender-from-bucs/

Michael Bennett signs tender from Bucs

Posted by Josh Alper on March 19, 2012, 2:24 PM EDT

Lurker64

03-20-2012, 10:59 AM

Apparently we signed a free agent, and it's Jarrett Bush!

http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=2&cid=1169519&nid=5578902&fhn=1

mraynrand

03-20-2012, 11:06 AM

It's kind of fun to sit back and watch these guys get so much money and then realize how much value TT has gotten by resigning most of his own guys ahead of free agency. Admittedly, Hawk's contract looks steep after the year he had and TT had bad luck with Collins, but the contracts that Rodgers, Sitton, Jennings, Nelson, Bishop, Tramon, etc. signed all look like bargains now.

Hawk seems like kinda the exception, but that may have been just due to the weird year. You can almost take it to the bank that if TT doesn't re-sign someone a couple few years before their contract is up, they will be moving on. It's a general strategy that keeps the team young and saves money.

gbgary

03-20-2012, 11:18 AM

Apparently we signed a free agent, and it's Jarrett Bush!

http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=2&cid=1169519&nid=5578902&fhn=1

oh well...

Lurker64

03-20-2012, 11:18 AM

Fosco33

03-20-2012, 11:41 AM

pbmax

03-20-2012, 11:48 AM

No one is excited about resigning Jarrett Bush?

Supposedly it's a 3-year deal for more than Bush's last 3-year contract, but it's not starter's money (Bush would have taken an offer from another team if it was a starting situation and starting money). Apparently the Rams, Cowboys, Cardinals, and Jets all wanted to sign Bush.

I have thought he takes way too much flak for his role. And I am glad he is back. I wonder how seriously he will compete for CB time with Shields, et al. Because while he more than holds up his end of the special teams play, its hard to get excited about this DB signing because he doesn't solve a starting problem on the defense.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 12:56 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/failed-ownership-effort-may-have-prompted-manning-to-turn-down-titans/

Failed ownership effort may have prompted Manning to turn down Titans

Posted by Mike Florio on March 19, 2012, 6:43 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 12:59 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/raiders-bring-back-cooper-carlisle/

Raiders bring back Cooper Carlisle

Posted by Mike Florio on March 19, 2012, 7:34 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 01:01 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/signing-peyton-manning-makes-mike-wallace-a-possibility-in-denver/

Signing Peyton Manning makes Mike Wallace a possibility in Denver

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 19, 2012, 7:36 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 01:07 PM

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 01:08 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/mendenhall-may-have-played-last-snap-as-a-steeler/

Mendenhall may have played his last snap as a Steeler

Posted by Evan Silva on March 19, 2012, 8:28 PM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

This report says the he may miss the entire 2012 season.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 01:14 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/garrard-joins-the-dolphins/

Garrard joins the Dolphins

Posted by Mike Florio on March 19, 2012, 8:38 PM EDT
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/123389775_crop_650x440.jpg?w=250 Getty Images

Comment woodbuck27:

Well one player at least and an important one position wise joins the Dolphins. It was reported that in a prvious season the Dolphins coveted this QB. Maybe? if he van focus inmiami he will recover his potential.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 01:27 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/broncos-keep-wesley-woodyard-on-two-year-deal/

Broncos keep Wesley Woodyard on two-year deal

Posted by Evan Silva on March 19, 2012, 11:04 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 01:39 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/harbaugh-smith-met-for-an-hour-on-monday/

Harbaugh, Smith met for an hour on Monday

Posted by Mike Florio on March 19, 2012, 11:45 PM EDT

Commment wodbuck27:

His best lever disappeard when the Dolphins inked David Garrard.

The situation in San Fran is awkward to say the least but time does heal. I think that he is forced to return to the 49ers and for what they offere. he has to be a PRO.... AND SUCK IT UP.

The 49ers have offered Smith $24 million over three years, with roughly $10 million guaranteed. This report describes the damage control attempt by the 49ers HC in talks with Alex Smith. His ego is bruised according to other reports on NFL TOTAL ACCESS.

Alex Smith isn't pleased with the offer. That will not wash IMO unless he's paid more for 'the suffering' (-:

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 01:44 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/jaguars-sign-ex-giants-cornerback-aaron-ross-to-three-year-deal/

Jaguars sign ex-Giants cornerback Aaron Ross to three-year deal

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 20, 2012, 4:16 AM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

3 years and $15.3 million$. Looks like a late night banging out this one. Hopefully they got into the sauce and the $$$$ went up for 'this Aaron'.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 01:45 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/david-garrard-unsure-who-hes-competing-with-in-miami/

David Garrard unsure who he’s competing with in Miami

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 20, 2012, 7:08 AM EDT

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 01:50 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/green-bay-floated-as-a-tim-tebow-destination/

Green Bay floated as a Tim Tebow destination

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 20, 2012, 8:17 AM EDT

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 01:54 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/tuesday-morning-one-liners-150/

Tuesday morning one-liners

Posted by Josh Alper on March 20, 2012, 8:42 AM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

Some interesting stuff in this story. Lots and lots.....and lots.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 02:02 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/there-wont-be-a-ladainian-tomlinson-return-to-san-diego/

There won’t be a LaDainian Tomlinson return to San Diego

Posted by Josh Alper on March 20, 2012, 9:04 AM EDT

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 02:04 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/titans-kamerion-wimbley-agree-to-five-year-deal/

Titans, Kamerion Wimbley agree to five-year deal

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 20, 2012, 9:09 AM EDT

Lurker64

03-20-2012, 02:09 PM

Some of these have nothing to do with free agency Woody. We can probably limit it to "x signs with y" or "y is negotiating with x" stuff.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 02:22 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/bucs-neither-winners-nor-losers-in-free-agency/

Bucs neither winners nor losers in free agency

Posted by Mike Florio on March 20, 2012, 10:17 AM EDT

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 02:24 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/lions-stay-optimistic-about-re-signing-stephen-tulloch/

Lions stay optimistic about re-signing Stephen Tulloch

Posted by Evan Silva on March 20, 2012, 10:48 AM EDT

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 02:26 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/lions-sign-jacob-lacey-re-sign-andre-fluellen/

Lions sign Jacob Lacey, re-sign Andre Fluellen

Posted by Josh Alper on March 20, 2012, 11:01 AM EDT

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 02:28 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ay-in-florida/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/tim-tebow-tells-friends-hes-not-surprised-hopes-to-play-in-florida/)

Tim Tebow tells friends he’s not surprised, hopes to play in Florida

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 20, 2012, 11:12 AM EDT

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 02:32 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-organization/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/irsay-congratulates-peyton-for-joining-tremendous-organization/)

Jim Irsay congratulates Peyton for joining “tremendous organization”

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 20, 2012, 11:41 AM EDT

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 02:42 PM

Im trying to be constructive-you're being a dick

I just rediscvered this post and want to say I'm sorry your not getting much from this thread. Also I never intended any rub on you. If You got to feeling I didn't respect you I did and do. I've trid severaltimes now to placate you sheepshead.

I hope we're OK on this Packer fan. You may see this message. if you do then maybe you've softened RE: the value of this thread. I hope so. (-:

It's a thread certainly demanding a love of reading stuff fotball as concerns player movements in the NFL. Some of us are interested in anything NFL as well as 'anything PACKERS'.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 02:46 PM

No one is excited about resigning Jarrett Bush?

Supposedly it's a 3-year deal for more than Bush's last 3-year contract, but it's not starter's money (Bush would have taken an offer from another team if it was a starting situation and starting money). Apparently the Rams, Cowboys, Cardinals, and Jets all wanted to sign Bush.

That's funny Lurker64. Did you feel you had the scoop on that signing?

Maybe too many people are exhausted by the Mario Williams,Peyton Manning, Scott Wells, Matt Flynn etc. etc. watch's??

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 02:56 PM

I prefer woody's format though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatchewan

Upnorth. Is the weather nice out your way today?

I'm in Honey Harbour, Ontario. Location: SE Georgian Bay, ONT near Orillia, Ont.

It's about 25 C here. SUNNY and HOT!

77 Degrees F. Very nice. Time for more yardwork. (-:

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 02:59 PM

Same same. Thanks for putting the time into posting the links Woody.

Always Man. THANKS. (-:

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 04:02 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/tannenbaum-expects-landry-to-be-healthy-for-2012-season/

Tannenbaum expects Landry to be healthy for 2012 season

Posted by Evan Silva on March 20, 2012, 3:41 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 04:03 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/lions-sign-stephen-tulloch-to-five-year-deal/

Lions sign Stephen Tulloch to five-year deal

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 20, 2012, 4:06 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 04:06 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/david-hawthorne-may-not-be-happy-when-he-gets-to-detroit/

David Hawthorne may not be happy when he gets to Detroit

Posted by Mike Florio on March 20, 2012, 4:57 PM EDT

Freak Out

03-20-2012, 04:40 PM

Woody....what's the deal with Manny lawson? Is he still available?

77 Fahrenheit? Are you freaking kidding me?

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 05:09 PM

red

03-20-2012, 05:20 PM

Woody....what's the deal with Manny lawson? Is he still available?

77 Fahrenheit? Are you freaking kidding me?

i really liked manny in that draft. dude played awesome in college when teams were geared towards stopping mario on that line

Guiness

03-20-2012, 05:21 PM

Woody....what's the deal with Manny lawson? Is he still available?

77 Fahrenheit? Are you freaking kidding me?

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/caon0515?ref=topnav_homepage_savedcity
20C today!

Freak Out

03-20-2012, 05:22 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/breaking-down-ten-intriguing-free-agent-fliers-left-on-the-market/

Breaking down ten intriguing free-agent fliers left on the market

Posted by Evan Silva on March 20, 2012, 5:32 PM EDT

3. Linebacker Manny Lawson — The 22nd pick in the 2006 draft, Lawson has disappointed as an NFL pass rusher with 16 sacks through six seasons. Lawson is a freak athlete at 6-foot-5, 240 with low-4.4 speed and a 40-inch vertical, however, and he’s wicked smart (43 Wonderlic score). Lawson can set the edge against the run and has always been effective in coverage. With experience in both 3-4 and 4-3 schemes, Lawson should be generating more interest than he has so far.

Upnorth

03-20-2012, 05:26 PM

Freak Out

03-20-2012, 05:32 PM

Lurker64

03-20-2012, 05:49 PM

Packers interested in free agent OLB Manny Lawson

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/143565876.html

sheepshead

03-20-2012, 06:04 PM

dang lurker just scoped mePackers interested in LB Manny Lawson
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The Green Bay Packers have interest in free agent linebacker Manny Lawson, according to Tyler Dunne of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal who cites a league source. The two sides have been in discussions.

Lawson, the 22nd overall pick by San Francisco in the 2006 draft, has 292 tackles and 16 sacks in six NFL seasons. The outside linebacker hasn't rushed the passer as well as expected at this level but has been strong in the run game

Freak Out

03-20-2012, 06:09 PM

I haven't seen the guy play much but he sounds like he would be a good addition.

red

03-20-2012, 06:18 PM

i think manny would be an upgrade over walden, zombo and jones

but not a huge upgrade

Lurker64

03-20-2012, 06:28 PM

i think manny would be an upgrade over walden, zombo and jones

but not a huge upgrade

Lawson is good against the run and he's good in coverage. Name two things any of that three is good at (and Zombo's sack dance doesn't count).

pack4to84

03-20-2012, 06:36 PM

I am hoping that TT get the deal done for Lawson. I was high on him when he was coming out.

Brandon494

03-20-2012, 06:43 PM

Lawson is good against the run and he's good in coverage. Name two things any of that three is good at (and Zombo's sack dance doesn't count).

Hes fast but hes not that good in coverage. He is for sure an upgrade over what we have and hope TT gets it done.

Patler

03-20-2012, 06:44 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatchewan

Upnorth. Is the weather nice out your way today?

I'm in Honey Harbour, Ontario. Location: SE Georgian Bay, ONT near Orillia, Ont.

It's about 25 C here. SUNNY and HOT!

77 Degrees F. Very nice. Time for more yardwork. (-:

I was posted to Borden a few years back and lived in Barrie. Hell we were practically neighbors!
We have gotten as high as 21 out here (70ish to you yankee's!) and lovin this spring!.
http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/city/pages/sk-32_metric_e.html

You two are bringing back some good old memories! I spent a lot of time in hockey rinks in that area, watching Junior hockey 15 years ago or so. Couchiching Terriers of the OPJAHL in those days had a few pretty good players, and played in Orillia, as I recall. OPJAHL also had teams in Collingswood, Parry Sound (Bobby Ore Arena), Durham and lots of places around Toronto. Spent time in Barrie watching OHL Then there were the NOJHL teams. I think I hit most of the Junior A teams from all around Toronto north to Sudburry and west to the Sault.

I still go back to Parry Sound to visit now and then. Beautiful area. The new highway from Barrie north is awesome!

Patler

03-20-2012, 06:53 PM

Hes fast but hes not that good in coverage. He is for sure an upgrade over what we have and hope TT gets it done.

Some say he is pretty good in coverage. Have you actually seen him, or are you recounting reports by writers? I know I haven't seen enough of SF to have an opinion, and when I have seen them I sure wasn't paying any particular attention to him. Interesting prospect to have Kevin Greene work with.

pittstang5

03-20-2012, 07:04 PM

I was originally going to post - if he's cheap enough, bring him in. Not to sound mean, but TT probably won't sign him unless he comes cheap.

red

03-20-2012, 07:07 PM

my problem with signing lawson is that maybe because of that TT doesn't go after a great OLB prospect in the draft with the first pick because of it

pittstang5

03-20-2012, 07:13 PM

my problem with signing lawson is that maybe because of that TT doesn't go after a great OLB prospect in the draft with the first pick because of it

I don't get that vibe. TT will take BPA. If there's an OLB there in the 1st that he likes, he'll take him. I am worried about the center situation though. I'm not from Wisconsin and don't see all the Konz hype. I hope he's not there when the Packers pick.

Lurker64

03-20-2012, 07:20 PM

my problem with signing lawson is that maybe because of that TT doesn't go after a great OLB prospect in the draft with the first pick because of it

As far as I can tell, TT has three major holes to fill this offseason: OLB, Center, and DE. If he addresses one or two of them in free agency (not necessarily with top shelf players) then he can take one of the other needs with his best pick.

It's not like our need to upgrade Zombo, Jones, and Walden is really that more crippling than our need to upgrade Neal, Wilson, and Wynn.

Patler

03-20-2012, 07:49 PM

As far as I can tell, TT has three major holes to fill this offseason: OLB, Center, and DE. If he addresses one or two of them in free agency (not necessarily with top shelf players) then he can take one of the other needs with his best pick.

It's not like our need to upgrade Zombo, Jones, and Walden is really that more crippling than our need to upgrade Neal, Wilson, and Wynn.

I suspect there is another hole to fill - safety; and that is very unfortunate.

red

03-20-2012, 08:09 PM

I suspect there is another hole to fill - safety; and that is very unfortunate.

lets not say that out loud until the actual news comes in on that matter

fingers crossed

Upnorth

03-20-2012, 08:13 PM

I suspect there is another hole to fill - safety; and that is very unfortunate.

GRRRRRR. I'm still in denial!

P.S. My daughters only memory of the Barrie area is Wasaga Beach, if any of you rats get a chance take it in! Perfect for young and single up to families and old people.

Joemailman

03-20-2012, 08:15 PM

I suspect there is another hole to fill - safety; and that is very unfortunate.

Something happen to M.D. Jennings?

Joemailman

03-20-2012, 08:25 PM

Looks like Alex Smith will sign with 49ers. Joe Philbin has gone from having Aaron Rodgers and Matt Flynn running his offense to David Garrard and Matt Moore.

Guiness

03-20-2012, 08:54 PM

You two are bringing back some good old memories! I spent a lot of time in hockey rinks in that area, watching Junior hockey 15 years ago or so. Couchiching Terriers of the OPJAHL in those days had a few pretty good players, and played in Orillia, as I recall. OPJAHL also had teams in Collingswood, Parry Sound (Bobby Ore Arena), Durham and lots of places around Toronto. Spent time in Barrie watching OHL Then there were the NOJHL teams. I think I hit most of the Junior A teams from all around Toronto north to Sudburry and west to the Sault.

I still go back to Parry Sound to visit now and then. Beautiful area. The new highway from Barrie north is awesome!

Orr! Sacrilege!

NOJHL! Sudbury Cubs, Onaping Falls Huskies, Espanola Eagles, Capreol Hawks, Elliot Lake Vikings, Rayside-Balfour Canadians and the Nickel Centre Native Sons! lol, ya, I know that league well!

smuggler

03-20-2012, 09:15 PM

Peprah and Burnett will get "better" if the pass rush gets better.

Patler

03-20-2012, 09:36 PM

Orr! Sacrilege!

NOJHL! Sudbury Cubs, Onaping Falls Huskies, Espanola Eagles, Capreol Hawks, Elliot Lake Vikings, Rayside-Balfour Canadians and the Nickel Centre Native Sons! lol, ya, I know that league well!

A problem with following the NOJHL is that every 4-5 years half the teams in the league have changed.:smile:
Rayside put together some good teams for quite a while then, all of a sudden, they were gone. Ten years ago, I think it was down to 5 teams. A few years later they picked up a few new ones.

It has just gotten so expensive running junior teams that no one seems to last long doing it anymore. Ownerships change, and teams move.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 09:47 PM

Some of these have nothing to do with free agency Woody. We can probably limit it to "x signs with y" or "y is negotiating with x" stuff.

Noted and thanks. Will do.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 09:55 PM

Woody....what's the deal with Manny lawson? Is he still available?

77 Fahrenheit? Are you freaking kidding me?

Manny Lawson. I check his status soon. It might not go up from me until the morning.

On August 2, 2011, Manny Lawson signed with the Cincinnati Bengals. Thats all I have so far. Here are his stat's:

http://www.nfl.com/player/mannylawson/2495885/profile

The Weather:

Yes it's unreal warm here in SE Georgian Bat, Ontario for the first day of Spring. It's been lovely last two days and you can actually tan.Tomorow it's calling for the same into Thursday. I've never seen it this nice in March.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 10:03 PM

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/caon0515?ref=topnav_homepage_savedcity
20C today!

Guiness are you in Owen Sound? If you are. We're not far from one another. I'm in Honey Harbour, Ont. North of Orillia, Ont. or 30 minutes NE of Midland, Ont.

Guiness

03-20-2012, 10:13 PM

A problem with following the NOJHL is that every 4-5 years half the teams in the league have changed.:smile:
Rayside put together some good teams for quite a while then, all of a sudden, they were gone. Ten years ago, I think it was down to 5 teams. A few years later they picked up a few new ones.

It has just gotten so expensive running junior teams that no one seems to last long doing it anymore. Ownerships change, and teams move.

It's a tough racquet. You need a solid volunteer base and community support to make it work.

In the 80's when I was growing up the teams were pretty consistent, although the Huskies disappeared the season after winning the league! I think a couple of other teams dropped out that year as well. Are you from that area? Can't think of how else you'd know the league!

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 10:18 PM

You two are bringing back some good old memories! I spent a lot of time in hockey rinks in that area, watching Junior hockey 15 years ago or so. Couchiching Terriers of the OPJAHL in those days had a few pretty good players, and played in Orillia, as I recall. OPJAHL also had teams in Collingswood, Parry Sound (Bobby Ore Arena), Durham and lots of places around Toronto. Spent time in Barrie watching OHL Then there were the NOJHL teams. I think I hit most of the Junior A teams from all around Toronto north to Sudburry and west to the Sault.

I still go back to Parry Sound to visit now and then. Beautiful area. The new highway from Barrie north is awesome!

Patler. Am I guessing this correctly? Were you a hockey Scout?

Patler

03-20-2012, 10:22 PM

It's a tough racquet. You need a solid volunteer base and community support to make it work.

In the 80's when I was growing up the teams were pretty consistent, although the Huskies disappeared the season after winning the league! I think a couple of other teams dropped out that year as well. Are you from that area? Can't think of how else you'd know the league!

No, I'm not from the area, but for a long time I was pretty deeply involved in hockey and for a while that took me into the junior leagues of Ontario and the midwest US. Spent many of my summers at Canadian prospect tournaments and USA Hockey Select Festivals.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 10:22 PM

lets not say that out loud until the actual news comes in on that matter

fingers crossed

Really! We need some great news on that one. Alot seemed to go bad when we lost Nick Collins.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 10:32 PM

I was posted to Borden a few years back and lived in Barrie. Hell we were practically neighbors!
We have gotten as high as 21 out here (70ish to you yankee's!) and lovin this spring!.
http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/city/pages/sk-32_metric_e.html

Actually I'm in Honey Harbour with my sweetie. I've been here since just before Christmas.

I live now in Greenfield Park, Quebec on the South Shore from Montreal. It's the home of ** the Greenfield Park PACKERS. A Youth Football organization (1976) that has a wonderful reputation. Here's a LINK:

http://www.gpkpackers.com/teams/?u=GPKPACKERS&s=football&t=c

I'm originally from Saint John, New Brunswick and I still own properties back there.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 10:36 PM

Man....I need to start commuting or something. 70ish is warm for summer up here. :) Our lows have still been in the single digits and I have 5 feet of snow in my yard.
Better than this though.....

http://www.wunderground.com/US/AK/Prudhoe_Bay.html

That place is frigid.

Are you in Alaska?

I had to shovel the driveway once this winter. About 5-6 inch's of snow. This winter was seldom colder than -15 Celcius and usually hovered around zero C diring daylight hours. We had lots of wind..rain and sleet..not much snow for the fellas on snowmobiles. A wonderful winter.

The problem with that will be 'Forest Fire Alerts and Forest Fires'.

Guiness

03-20-2012, 10:44 PM

No, I'm not from the area, but for a long time I was pretty deeply involved in hockey and for a while that took me into the junior leagues of Ontario and the midwest US. Spent many of my summers at Canadian prospect tournaments and USA Hockey Select Festivals.

Ah. Did you ever encouter my buddy, the Pale Skater (reference here: http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?23452-Black-Monday/page10 ):smile:

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 10:47 PM

Some say he is pretty good in coverage. Have you actually seen him, or are you recounting reports by writers? I know I haven't seen enough of SF to have an opinion, and when I have seen them I sure wasn't paying any particular attention to him. Interesting prospect to have Kevin Greene work with.

I just found this at 11:42 EDT:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/03/cleveland_browns_reportedly_pu.html

Cleveland Browns reportedly pursuing free agent LB Manny Lawson

Published: Tuesday, March 20, 2012, 11:24 PM

In 2011 with the Bengals, linebacker Manny Lawson had 52 tackles and 1.5 sacks.

** Five Hours ago **:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/143565876.html

** Packers interested in LB Manny Lawson **

By Tyler Dunne (tdunne@journalsentinel.com) of the Journal Sentinel

Updated: 5:56 p.m

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 11:46 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/ravens-have-mark-anderson-in-for-a-visit/

Ravens have Mark Anderson in for a visit

Posted by Josh Alper on March 20, 2012, 5:42 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 11:48 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/49ers-redskins-have-contacted-free-agent-josh-johnson/

49ers, Redskins have contacted free agent Josh Johnson

Posted by Evan Silva on March 20, 2012, 6:05 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 11:50 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/chargers-host-jackie-battle-for-free-agent-visit/

Chargers host Jackie Battle for free agent visit

Posted by Evan Silva on March 20, 2012, 6:28 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 11:56 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/report-packers-in-discussions-with-free-agent-manny-lawson/

Report: Packers in discussions with free agent Manny Lawson

Posted by Evan Silva on March 20, 2012, 7:08 PM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

As Posted above Manny Lawson left Green Bay for Cleveland late Tuesday evening.

woodbuck27

03-20-2012, 11:59 PM

This is a TRADE: Houston trades DeMeco Ryans to Philly ....

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/report-texans-trading-demeco-ryans-to-the-eagles/

Report: Texans trading DeMeco Ryans to the Eagles

Posted by Evan Silva on March 20, 2012, 7:13 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-21-2012, 12:02 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/49ers-alex-smith-finalizing-contract/

49ers, Alex Smith finalizing contract

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 20, 2012, 7:33 PM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

three-year, $24 million contract,

woodbuck27

03-21-2012, 12:04 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/not-done-addressing-pass-rush-bills-hosting-mark-anderson/

Not done addressing pass rush, Bills hosting Mark Anderson

Posted by Evan Silva on March 20, 2012, 8:03 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-21-2012, 12:05 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/cardinals-retain-slot-receiver-early-doucet/

Cardinals retain slot receiver Early Doucet

Posted by Evan Silva on March 20, 2012, 8:12 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-21-2012, 12:07 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/josh-johnson-to-visit-redskins-on-wednesday/

Josh Johnson to visit Redskins on Wednesday

Posted by Evan Silva on March 20, 2012, 8:20 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-21-2012, 12:09 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/vikings-sign-fullback-jerome-felton/

Vikings sign fullback Jerome Felton

Posted by Mike Florio on March 20, 2012, 8:23 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-21-2012, 12:10 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/broncos-working-hard-to-re-sign-brodrick-bunkley/

Broncos “working hard” to re-sign Brodrick Bunkley

Posted by Evan Silva on March 20, 2012, 9:03 PM EDT

woodbuck27

03-21-2012, 12:12 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/rick-smith-calls-demeco-ryans-a-class-act/

Eagles get the better of DeMeco Ryans trade

Posted by Mike Florio on March 20, 2012, 9:04 PM EDT

Comment woodbuck27:

Nice for the EAGLES.

“DeMeco is a proven Pro Bowl linebacker in this league and we’re excited to be able to plug him into the middle of our defense,” Eagles head coach Andy Reid said in a statement. “He’s been the signal caller and a leader on a very good Texans defense for the last several years. He’s a tough, instinctive football player and he’ll be a great fit for our team.”