Report: Neal to Be Suspended for 4 Games

[pbmax]

Is it the Drug and Alcohol Policy that provides for two positives before first suspension or is it the PED program as well?

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Amidst the madness, according to league source, Packers DE Mike Neal suspended for for first four games of 2012 season
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[Patler]

Well he sure is screwing up the start of his career something fierce.

[pittstang5]

Son of a.....

What the hell?

C'mon man!

[Joemailman]

Taking steroids to try and hasten injury healing?


The NFL has released a statement confirming the suspension. Here it is:

Mike Neal of the Green Bay Packers has been suspended without pay for the team’s first four games of the 2012 regular season for violating the NFL policy on performance enhancing substances.

Neal will be eligible to return to the Packers’ active roster on the day after the team’s fourth regular-season game of the 2012 season.

Neal is eligible to participate in all offseason and preseason practices and games.

[pbmax]

Taking steroids to try and hasten injury healing?

Maybe, but at a glance he looks like a weight room fanatic. Even without an injury, I would not have been surprised by this. I know looks can be deceiving and have no proof, but he looks like a cartoon in his upper body.

[pittstang5]

Again, I ask, how does this stuff happen? Don't they have a list. Don't trainers have a list of what players can and can't take. Millions of dollars on the line and these simpletons mess it up.

[Joemailman]

Time for the Packers to take a real hands-on stance on Neal's training. He hasn't been involved in their off-season training program yet, with the lockout last year. They need to stress they're paying him to be a football player, not a weight lifter.

[sheepshead]

Well - we've certainly have had better days haven't we?

[ND72]

Holy ballsack....

[denverYooper]

Well he sure is screwing up the start of his career something fierce.

Yep.

[Patler]

Again, I ask, how does this stuff happen? Don't they have a list. Don't trainers have a list of what players can and can't take. Millions of dollars on the line and these simpletons mess it up.

I think the players know exactly what they are doing, and what will happen if they get caught. They do it intentionally, hoping to not get caught. I hope they are doing it behind the trainers backs, but one never knows for sure.

[Joemailman]

By using PED's, he's showing more motivation than Justin Harrell did.

[denverYooper]

Time for the Packers to take a real hands-on stance on Neal's training. He hasn't been involved in their off-season training program yet, with the lockout last year. They need to stress they're paying him to be a football player, not a weight lifter.

This. I suspect his injury problems also stem from his weight room fanaticism.

[Old School]

Dumb ass!

[Guiness]

Well he sure is screwing up the start of his career something fierce.

Start? He's going into his 3rd year - approaching middle of an average career awful quickly.

How does this happen someone else asked? Guys trying to get an edge, same as it's always been.

[denverYooper]

Apparently GB needs to create a position on their DL staff for DARE officer.

[pbmax]

Again, I ask, how does this stuff happen? Don't they have a list. Don't trainers have a list of what players can and can't take. Millions of dollars on the line and these simpletons mess it up.

You are barking up the wrong tree. Many are taking things not even contemplated by the list or doing known agents in a manner that will avoid detection. It all depends on how well they know what they are doing, or, having someone to work with who knows it. That plus timing, or a little luck.

And if they spend real money, they can take things that won't show up on the tests. Barry Bonds and the Olympic folks were busted not by the standard PED screen, but by a new test developed after the fact after someone handed over a sample of the synthetic that Balco developed. The USADA then retested stored samples and got positives. It took years for that to happen.

But in Neal's case, we only know about one instance. So its very difficult to draw any definitive conclusions.

[Patler]

Start? He's going into his 3rd year - approaching middle of an average career awful quickly.

How does this happen someone else asked? Guys trying to get an edge, same as it's always been.

I didn't men this instance in isolation, I meant combined with his first two nonexistent years in the league.

[Smidgeon]

By using PED's, he's showing more motivation than Justin Harrell did.

Well, at least Harrell played for a full year... (or most of one; don't remember if he got injured at the end or beginning of his rookie year).

[gbpackfan]

What a great start to free agency for the Packers! I hate this guy.

[Guiness]

I didn't men this instance in isolation, I meant combined with his first two nonexistent years in the league.

Ya, I know what you meant, I was just pointing out that he's not a spring chicken anymore - third year in the league, he should be hitting his stride, but we're hoping he warrants a roster spot.

[Patler]

By using PED's, he's showing more motivation than Justin Harrell did.

I don't think Harrell had a motivation problem.

[pittstang5]

But in Neal's case, we only know about one instance. So its very difficult to draw any definitive conclusions.

One instance or not, he failed the PED test, he's suspended...it should not have happened. That's my take.

[esoxx]

Bust

[woodbuck27]

His ass is grass.

[red]

so the dudes on performance enhancers and he still sucks?

thats just great

[RashanGary]

I'm perfectly OK with it. If it helps him get back strong, it's worth those first 4 games.

[woodbuck27]

I'm perfectly OK with it. If it helps him get back strong, it's worth those first 4 games.

Any way you do it...that's the way I like it.

What was the name of that song and what group made it a hit?

[gbgary]

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idiot!

[Packers4Glory]

so he'll miss the first 4 games, and then get hurt and miss the next 9. got it.

[woodbuck27]

so he'll miss the first 4 games, and then get hurt and miss the next 9. got it.

and....TT will keep him around; yet fail to resign his Pro Bowl Center. Release a solid Packer in Donald Driver. An ALL Time great and leader on the team. A solid community leader.

Release Chad Clifton and let Ryan Grant go somewhere? I can see that but why?; after losing...... his Pro Bowl center and leader on his teams OL?

You don't put the wagon ahead of the horse.

[pittstang5]

and....TT will keep him around; yet fail to resign his Pro Bowl Center. Release a solid Packer in Donald Driver. An ALL Time great and leader on the team. A solid community leader.

Release Chad Clifton and Ryan Grant? I can see that but why?; after losing his Pro Bowl center and leader on his teams OL?

You don't put the wagon ahead of the horse.

Man woody, you really got a hard-on for Wells. I agree it sucks with the possibility of losing Wells, but have some faith, TT has a plan....I hope.

And Grant wasn't released...he's a Free Agent.

[George Cumby]

Don't "performance enhancing drugs" have to, you know, enhance performance?

Balls.

[Iron Mike]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s320x320/424359_322868437770255_282352885155144_938729_8131 45743_n.jpg

It wasn't like he was gonna make it to "awesome" from "sucks" next year.....

[woodbuck27]

Man woody, you really got a hard-on for Wells. I agree it sucks with the possibility of losing Wells, but have some faith, TT has a plan....I hope.

And Grant wasn't released...he's a Free Agent.

Thanks. really isn't TT 'the Greatest'. I'm sure...he's got the plan......I hope. LOL

[mraynrand]

You would think Neal could get his sentence reduce to "Time Served"

[Fritz]

When you look at the JSO article and the names of former Packers suspended for probable PED use, they're a list of wannbe nobodies....Jude Waddy.....Torrance Marshall - names like that.

That's bad news for Mike Neal.

[Cheesehead Craig]

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idiot!

That about sums it up.

[Upnorth]

On the bright side our D is used to him not showing up to play.

[hoosier]

Neal's mom is insiting she knows what he took and that it wasn't a PED. McGinn points out that it could have been medication for ADD. That wouldn't affect the suspension but it might mean Neal isn't the idiot he seems to be. http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/142555005.html

[Fritz]

This is possible, Hoosier. Quite possible.

On the flip side, my mother still doesn't know I smoke pot.

[denverYooper]

This is possible, Hoosier. Quite possible.

On the flip side, my mother still doesn't know I smoke pot.

Sure she doesn't...

[Fritz]

Don't make me paranoid, man. I just huffed on a doob.

[denverYooper]

Don't make me paranoid, man. I just huffed on a doob.

I hope you used the thingy with the dryer sheets stuffed into a paper towel core and put a towel under the door.

[Joemailman]

Don't make me paranoid, man. I just huffed on a doob.

Is a doob a PED?

[denverYooper]

Is a doob a PED?

Only if you're snowboarding.

[Tony Oday]

TT has a history of drafting d line drug addicts...

[hoosier]

This is possible, Hoosier. Quite possible.

On the flip side, my mother still doesn't know I smoke pot.

Yeah, but in Neal's case his mom says she knows it wasn't a PED because she takes the same thing. For your analogy to work you would have to say something like "My dad still doesn't know my Mom and I smoke pot."

[Little Whiskey]

Yeah, but in Neal's case his mom says she knows it wasn't a PED because she takes the same thing. For your analogy to work you would have to say something like "My dad still doesn't know my Mom and I smoke pot."

was neal's mom also suspended for 4 games due to a PED? or is neal's mom ryan braun? hmmmm

[pbmax]

TT has a history of drafting d line drug addicts...

I think Neal is more addicted to weightlifting than Jolly was.

[woodbuck27]

Yeah, but in Neal's case his mom says she knows it wasn't a PED because she takes the same thing. For your analogy to work you would have to say something like "My dad still doesn't know my Mom and I smoke pot."

One thing in life we all should hope remains a constant. That Mom's will always defend their sons actions and failing that LOVE those son's.

[pbmax]

This is possible, Hoosier. Quite possible.

On the flip side, my mother still doesn't know I smoke pot.

I knew there was a reason I laughed at your posts for 15 minutes straight.

[Fritz]

So you're stoned too, eh?

hoosier, for my analogy to work, I'd have to say that my mom doesn't know I smoke pot because she's smoking pot too and is thus acutely unaware of the world around her, except for the really cool way the light reflects off that mirror in the hallway and the exquisite taste of Doritos and peanut butter.

[swede]

I was no good at that. Dark figures lurked in the shadows, laughter from another room meant someone had taped my life and was playing it back secretly to the cheer squad to humiliate me, and my hands wanted to leave my arms and live with the squids.

The Doritos were good, but they were never enough.

[Fritz]

Well, that's the way the world really is, pot or not.

Isn't it?

[pbmax]

So you're stoned too, eh?

hoosier, for my analogy to work, I'd have to say that my mom doesn't know I smoke pot because she's smoking pot too and is thus acutely unaware of the world around her, except for the really cool way the light reflects off that mirror in the hallway and the exquisite taste of Doritos and peanut butter.

Susceptible to contact highs.

[sharpe1027]

Well, that's the way the world really is, pot or not.

Isn't it?

You would need to stop smoking to find out. Something tells me this question may go unanswered.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Cletidus Hunt
Jamal Reynolds
Joe Johnson
Kenny Peterson
Johnny Jolly
Justin Harrell
Mike Neal

The parade of disappointment at Dline continues

[pbmax]

Again, I ask, how does this stuff happen? Don't they have a list. Don't trainers have a list of what players can and can't take. Millions of dollars on the line and these simpletons mess it up.

Well, I have to give you credit for considering this option. Because either Neal was being treated by someone with no knowledge of existing NFL protocols (something his team and agent should be attempting to prevent) or he is dumb. At least dumb about the correct course of action in such a case. Because there was indeed a list in this case.

[Fritz]

You would need to stop smoking to find out. Something tells me this question may go unanswered.


I'm kinda freaking out, Sharpe. Your avatar looks like my avatar, except for those red tints. Does this mean...you're me? Or I'm you? Or that you're kinda like me except you're possessed by Satan?

It's gonna take me a few hits to figure this one out.

[MadtownPacker]

Damn I didn't know this thread was about bud!!

[sharpe1027]

I'm kinda freaking out, Sharpe. Your avatar looks like my avatar, except for those red tints. Does this mean...you're me? Or I'm you? Or that you're kinda like me except you're possessed by Satan?

It's gonna take me a few hits to figure this one out.

Hmm...freaking out/paranoia, red (bloodshot) eyes, philosophical musings...

Let me know what you decide on the you vs. me thing. I'd like to know myself.

[Fritz]

Damn I didn't know this thread was about bud!!


Hell yeah it is!

http://www.traileraddict.com/content/walt-disney-pictures/air_bud.jpg

[Joemailman]

On the bright side our D is used to him not showing up to play.

On the even brighter side, he should be healthy heading into October for a change.

By the way, I was kidding when I said this:


Originally Posted by Joemailman
By using PED's, he's showing more motivation than Justin Harrell did.

[woodbuck27]

Cletidus Hunt
Jamal Reynolds
Joe Johnson
Kenny Peterson
Johnny Jolly
Justin Harrell
Mike Neal

The parade of disappointment at Dline continues

That moose has 'the Devil' in him.

[woodbuck27]

I was no good at that. Dark figures lurked in the shadows, laughter from another room meant someone had taped my life and was playing it back secretly to the cheer squad to humiliate me, and my hands wanted to leave my arms and live with the squids.

The Doritos were good, but they were never enough.

Ok so..... no Mary Jane!

but.....Yahoooo to acid?

Dark figures lurking; paranoia induced by laughter 'at a party' no less; delusions of humiliation; hands seperating from arms and attracting the attention of Jacques Cousteau and food for squids.

ACID !

[woodbuck27]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8014363/green-bay-packers-mike-neal-plans-second-appeal-suspension

Mike Neal planning another appealUpdated:

AP : June 5, 2012, 10:08 PM ET

GREEN BAY, Wis. --

" Mike Neal plans on proving his critics wrong this season. And he believes he'll be playing on opening day.

The Green Bay Packers defensive end said Tuesday he intends to appeal once again the four-game suspension he received from the NFL on March 13 for violating the league's policy on performance-enhancing drugs." Fr. LINK

GO PACKERS !

[BobDobbs]

If the dudes got ADD then how is he supposed to pay attention to all those rules about what drugs to take. This is a miscarriage of justice. I want justice!

[KYPack]

Neal was taking speed.

Aderral or whatever it's called is speed with a fancy name.

[MadScientist]

Neal was taking speed.

Aderral or whatever it's called is speed with a fancy name.

Yes, but the effects on hyperactive people is well documented to be different than the effects on normal people. What may hurt Neal's appeal is that he said the adderall was for OCD. Some doctors do prescribe it for OCD, but the results are mixed, with many people saying it makes OCD much worse. In any event, Neal did not follow procedure and got nailed for it.

[Packers4Glory]

he will not win

[smuggler]

If he takes it outside of the system and goes to the courts like the Williams wall did, and he does indeed have a prescription, he will at the very least postpone the suspension for a few years.

[Freak Out]

This is possible, Hoosier. Quite possible.

On the flip side, my mother still doesn't know I smoke pot.

She knows because I told her.

[Fritz]

Mike Neal with OCD?

Maybe that explains the obsession with the weights...

[Smidgeon]

Mike Neal with OCD?

Maybe that explains the obsession with the weights...

Is it actual OCD or self-diagnosed OCD? That's always my question. I have self-diagnosed OCD, but that doesn't mean I have clinical OCD...

[pbmax]

Another player had an adderall positive overturned, but I do not remember the details of why. It was on NFL appeal, not the courts.

[MadScientist]

Another player had an adderall positive overturned, but I do not remember the details of why. It was on NFL appeal, not the courts.

I don't think all the details have been released as to why the suspension got nixed, but he had the prescription for ADHD (the standard thing that adderall is used for) and he had it since before he came in to the league.

My speculation is that he informed the league about it at the combine (if he attended there) so the positive was ignored, then he continued taking it, and renewed the prescription, but somehow it wasn't categorized as approved by the league. On appeal they decided that his actions were close enough to the requirements that the appeal was granted and the suspension dropped.

Since Neal got the prescription after entering the league, he needed to get it approved and did not, so he gets the suspension. I suspect he won't get it overturned and I don't think the CBA has any outside options for him.