Saturday on a Friday

[sheepshead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWxA3e9f6rY

[sheepshead]

Jeff Saturday signs per the Unit

here we go:http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7727835/jeff-saturday-green-bay-packers-agree-deal-sources-say

[Lurker64]

Possibly the most brilliant thing about this move is that Saturday's age exempts him from the compensatory pick formula.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBn2ux5vRHk

[sheepshead]

Lets TT draft a guy in the late rounds, a developmental type project.

[sharpe1027]

It will be interesting to see Saturday's contract next to Wells' contract.

[Lurker64]

It will be interesting to see Saturday's contract next to Wells' contract.

This probably wasn't about the money for Saturday, it was more about "one last shot at a ring" and Denver's interest in him was lukewarm.

[ND72]

Here's my take. You bring in a veteran leader and very intelligent guy. You can probably get 1-2 years out of him if not a 3rd year. You can now draft a guy somewhere that you liked and didn't have to extend to get, develop him, let him learn from Saturday, and you plug him in when Saturday is done.

[sharpe1027]

Here's my take. You bring in a veteran leader and very intelligent guy. You can probably get 1-2 years out of him if not a 3rd year. You can now draft a guy somewhere that you liked and didn't have to extend to get, develop him, let him learn from Saturday, and you plug him in when Saturday is done.

He's the free agent version of Clifton the last couple years.

[Brandon494]

Called this a month ago.... do I get a prize?

[gbgary]

whew!

[gbgary]

Called this a month ago.... do I get a prize?


:bow: just our praise.

[The Shadow]

This just in : Robinson Crusoe will sign Friday tomorrow.

[gbgary]

Kevin Seifert (espn) Sorry I'm a bit late weighing in on the Green Bay Packers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/gb/green-bay-packers)' agreement with free-agent (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7727835/jeff-saturday-green-bay-packers-verge-deal) center Jeff Saturday (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2055/jeff-saturday). For some reason, there were pigs flying past my office window. I went outside to get a better look, and found a four-leaf clover in the yard. Then I glanced up to the sky and could have sworn I saw a cow jumping over the moon.

Do not adjust your reading glasses. This is not one of my legendary typos. The Packers did in fact sign an unrestricted free agent, their first in three offseasons...

:)

[MadtownPacker]

Called this a month ago.... do I get a prize?Your White blood shines through!

Great move by TT.

[KYPack]

Well, we had to do something and old Jeff is that something.

ND's post sums up the situation.

Now let's lose all the Saturday/Friday jokes.

Guy's only been on the team a few hours and I'm sick of 'em already.

[gbgary]

Well, we had to do something and old Jeff is that something.

ND's post sums up the situation.

Now let's lose all the Saturday/Friday jokes.

Guy's only been on the team a few hours and I'm sick of 'em already.


on Monday.

[ND72]

:D

[KYPack]

TT's last FA signing was Duke Preston, another burned-out old Center.

TT personnel trend?

[Lurker64]

on Monday.

THIRD BASE!

[sheepshead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXFQZi_swrw

[Joemailman]

TT's last FA signing was Duke Preston, another burned-out old Center.

TT personnel trend?

Duke wasn't old and burned out. He was only 26 when TT signed him. He just wasn't ever very good.

[Pugger]

We gotta find a clip of the old Chicago song "Saturday in the Park"...

[Joemailman]

We gotta find a clip of the old Chicago song "Saturday in the Park"...

Scroll up.

[Pugger]

Oh dear, I didn't open that link. My bad. :oops:

[Smidgeon]

He's the free agent version of Clifton the last couple years.

Except without the injuries...

[sheepshead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EadIvDAWkf8

[Joemailman]

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/askville/75401864_answers/1312934070446_saturdaynightfever.jpg

[HarveyWallbangers]

TT's last FA signing was Duke Preston, another burned-out old Center.

TT personnel trend?

Preston was a burned out old center. He just wasn't any good. Age had nothing to do with it. He was 26 when he signed with us.

[KYPack]

Preston was a burned out old center. He just wasn't any good. Age had nothing to do with it. He was 26 when he signed with us.

1. Read the whole thread.
2. Make a stupid Jeff Saturday joke.
3. Go to your fucking room.

[HowardRoark]

Anarchy in Green Bay.

http://www.thecatholicgiftstore.com/images/uploads/ad1009.jpg

[Fosco33]

Great personnel move - guy who's consistent at the center and a leader. ARod should be happy...

http://www.billymaysfacts.com/images/thumbsup.jpg

[Rutnstrut]

Great center, but there will still be a learning curve. However of the free agent centers Saturday was one I liked a lot. Birk is actually who I really wanted, but of course he re-signed with the Ravens. It will be interesting to hear the terms of the contract, Saturday is older than Wells so that argument goes down the shitter.

[Guiness]

1. Read the whole thread.
2. Make a stupid Jeff Saturday joke.
3. Go to your fucking room.

4. PROFIT!!!!

I searched in vain for a knock-knock joke about Saturday. Nada.

[KYPack]

I want to share a sundae with Saturday on Monday is still available, Guiness.

[Guiness]

Here's my take. You bring in a veteran leader and very intelligent guy. You can probably get 1-2 years out of him if not a 3rd year. You can now draft a guy somewhere that you liked and didn't have to extend to get, develop him, let him learn from Saturday, and you plug him in when Saturday is done.


Yes, have to think this guy is short term insurance while EDS or someone else is brought along. I wouldn't have been surprised to see him as the frontrunner for the job going into camp.

[Lurker64]

Great center, but there will still be a learning curve.

Honestly there will probably be less of a learning curve with Saturday than any other non-Wells center that the Packers could have acquired this offseason. The pre-snap read is a huge part of Mac's system, and Saturday has been top notch at that sort of thing for the bulk of his career. "Being able to decipher what the defense is doing" doesn't change when you move from one place to another.

The real problem he faces at his "advanced" age is dealing with the monster 350 lb nose tackles, none of which play in this division, but watch out when we play a good one.

[sheepshead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zUGd-VC3wk

[Cheesehead Craig]

http://cdn3.hark.com/images/000/038/456/38456/original.0

[Old School]

TT has an economic reason for signing Saturday. The Packers only need to change the name on Wells' jersey.

Seriously I think it's a great signing, and the Pack may have not had to commit to as many years as with Wells. TT may be eying EDS or Genus in a year or two.

[pbmax]

All you punsters deserve this. Especially Bretsky, who as we speak is busy ignoring mortgage processing to redefine starting caliber so he doesn't have to credit Thompson for this signing. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0

[AtlPackFan]

Called this a month ago.... do I get a prize?

Your prize is "joy" in the knowledge you were correct.

[Fritz]

If he comes cheap, if he can provide a level of play close to what Wells could've offered, and if he can do so for two years, then it's a good signing.

As ND wrote, it allows the Pack to develop someone (it doesn't take a Genus to figure out who), and it saves cap money for bigger fish down the road.

[AtlPackFan]

Never thought this was going to happen. From everything I have heard and everything I have read, I thought Saturday to Denver was a done deal.

Once again, glad I a wrong.

[mraynrand]

Saturnalia!

http://drphilyerboots.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/saturnalia.jpg

Hopefully by the next Saturnalia, the Packers will have locked up another #1 seed and can proceed to squander it on riotous living....

[pbmax]

Never thought this was going to happen. From everything I have heard and everything I have read, I thought Saturday to Denver was a done deal.

Once again, glad I a wrong.

Funny how all the stories of Manning bringing along Saturday and Reggie Wayne turned out to be bunk.

[Guiness]

I want to share a sundae with Saturday on Monday is still available, Guiness.

Not anymore it isn't!

[Upnorth]

on Monday.

We didn"t change Wednesday did we?


This to me is stop gap at best and if we didn't get him cheap I will be very disappointed.

[AtlPackFan]

And then for us really old codgers....sorry, couldn't resist. No more...promise :-)

Come Saturday morning
I'm goin' away with my friend
We'll Saturday-spend till the end of the day-ay
Just I and my friend
We'll travel for miles in our Saturday smiles
And then we'll move on
But we will remember long after Saturday's gone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBDe0xVjwFA

[Guiness]

We didn"t change Wednesday did we?


This to me is stop gap at best and if we didn't get him cheap I will be very disappointed.

No, no. Wednesday is still 'Fire Slocum' day. No changes there.

[RashanGary]

If you look at the "aging, savvy, still really good player" demographic around NFL free agency, you'd have to think the Packers are near the top of many of those players lists.

[Fritz]

For those of you above the mid-century mark...I heard his mom is Tuesday Weld.

[AtlPackFan]

For those of you above the mid-century mark...I heard his mom is Tuesday Weld.

He didn't inherit her looks, did he. :-) She was a cutey...in that 60s kind of way.

[sheepshead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLeWB3C2cLo

[sheepshead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyyFLYNbQpg

[sheepshead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqOpko2vTts

[Sparkey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mnw9uiYggU

[wist43]

Saturday is a fine pass rusher... so I think we're set now til the draft starts - take Konz in the first round to groom behind Saturday, then we can forget about the center position for the next 10 years.

[swede]

Saturday is a fine pass rusher... so I think we're set now til the draft starts - take Konz in the first round to groom behind Saturday, then we can forget about the center position for the next 10 years.

Dang! Two birds with one stone.

[Zool]

Dang! Two birds with one stone.

2 way players are tough to come by at 36. Good singing Tedwick

[mraynrand]

For those of you above the mid-century mark...I heard his mom is Tuesday Weld.

Holy testicle Tuesday!

http://www.movieactors.com/photos-stars/jim-carry-ace-ventura-nature-calls-6.jpghttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-c1pWinAev4/SpcdTXXqcUI/AAAAAAAAAN4/NuD4olIvxMg/s400/TUESDAYWELD.jpg

[sheepshead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkxFWVGqUCg

For Tuesday

[red]

good pick up. not a long term answer, but maybe EDS is that guy. a-rod will be very well protected this season.

now we don't have to think about using that 1st round pick on a center and we can focus on the defense

one or two upgrades on D, and we're back in the superbowl

[SkinBasket]

The best part about this is now all you homos can STFU about free agents.

[KYPack]

Saturday is a fine pass rusher... so I think we're set now til the draft starts - take Konz in the first round to groom behind Saturday, then we can forget about the center position for the next 10 years.

Pass hander offer? Pass snap starter? WTF ya talkin' here Wist?

Could one of you lads post some Tuesday Weld porn, pls?

[Fritz]

And now news that Daniel Muir has been signed. Ted's outta control!

[pbmax]

Possibly the most brilliant thing about this move is that Saturday's age exempts him from the compensatory pick formula.

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Seriously? Exempt past a certain age or did I just miss a joke?

[Lurker64]

Seriously? Exempt past a certain age or did I just miss a joke?

I believe the "Alan Faneca Rule" prohibits players north of 35 from being considered worth more than a 5th round pick in the compensatory pick formula.

[LP]

The best part about this is now all you homos can STFU about free agents.

Like that'll ever happen.

[wist43]

Pass hander offer? Pass snap starter? WTF ya talkin' here Wist?

Could one of you lads post some Tuesday Weld porn, pls?

Was being facetious KY... might as well try him in the front seven, he'd be about as effective as what we've got there... just sayin' ;)

[smuggler]

Actually, since Saturday was a cut and not an expiring contract, he doesn't get factored into the comp pick formula. The Colts don't get a pick for him, we don't lose one. Same with Muir I believe. I know he was released by the Colts last year.

By my tally, we're at 3 picks for 2013 comps so far:

3rd round for Flynn
4th round for Wells
6th (or 7th) round for Lee

The rounds are guestimations, since playing time (as well as salary) play into the award. If we sign a qualifying player (or if Muir is a qualifying player in some way) we lose the Lee pick first.

[pbmax]

Actually, since Saturday was a cut and not an expiring contract, he doesn't get factored into the comp pick formula. The Colts don't get a pick for him, we don't lose one. Same with Muir I believe. I know he was released by the Colts last year.



Are you sure Saturday was cut? The articles I got from PFT and Google only mention FA, even from mid-season.

[KYPack]

Was being facetious KY... might as well try him in the front seven, he'd be about as effective as what we've got there... just sayin' ;)

Yeah Wist, I know. Everyone is screwing around with all the FA craziness.

Now post the footage on Tuesday (Weld, that is), willya?

[smuggler]

You're right pbmax. There was a comic strip that had some colts after their mass-cut earlier. He was in the strip w/ Clark, Brackett, et al so thus my confusion.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyyFLYNbQpg

I've been waitin' all week for Saturday'; he's here!

There you go another POLL.

a)Ted Thompson 'can' cover his ass

b) Ted Thompson worked 'his plan' to perfection.

c) Any NFL player should saivate over playing for the TEAM in the House that Lombardi built.

Nice signing by our teams esteemed GM. TT didn't have alot of CAP room left so Jeff Saturday must have come $reasonably$. The media had him DENVER bound; maybe he suffers nose bleeds.

a) Jeff Saturday and Aaron Rodgers = Protection.

b) Jeff Saturday = Future Center Development (Reduced Risk)

c) Jeff Saturday (HEALTHY) = reliable = Packer fan relief.

d) This signing means 'the BPA Round One' doesn't have to be a Center. (-;

e) RE: downside = I must redo my homework for Packerrats Mock and #28.

Nice job Ted Thompson. (-:

[gbgary]

We didn"t change Wednesday did we?


This to me is stop gap at best and if we didn't get him cheap I will be very disappointed.

sure it's stop gap. at least now we can concentrate on the defense now in the draft. as i mentioned in another thread, protecting AR's brain pan is job one and losing a very good center, from our already struggling o-line, changed the focus a draft that didn't need to be changed.

[Joemailman]

I doubt signing Saturday changed the early rounds of the draft much. TT probably wasn't going to draft a Center in the first 2 rounds anyway. On the other hand, if he feels someone like Konz is the best player on the board when their pick comes, he'll take that player despite the signing of Saturday.

[Fritz]

Ah, you know TT well, Joseph.

[Patler]

Saturdays contract terms, very favorable to the Packers:


(https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter)@AdamSchefter (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter) Jeff Saturday's two-year deal in Green Bay is worth $7.75 million, including $4 million this season.



Wells received $13 million guaranteed, it looks like Saturday is getting $4 million guaranteed at most, probably less if by some strange occurence he did not make the roster this year.

[George Cumby]

Saturdays contract terms, very favorable to the Packers:

[URL="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter"]

Wells received $13 million guaranteed, it looks like Saturday is getting $4 million guaranteed at most, probably less if by some strange occurence he did not make the roster this year.

Strong work, Ted.

[Upnorth]

So we are saving two mil a year on the cap by down grading to saturday. I am somewhat pleased we got him, but would have preferred Wells. Guess I just have to convince myself that Wells wanted to go else where.

[gbgary]

I doubt signing Saturday changed the early rounds of the draft much. TT probably wasn't going to draft a Center in the first 2 rounds anyway. On the other hand, if he feels someone like Konz is the best player on the board when their pick comes, he'll take that player despite the signing of Saturday.

if tt took konz in the first round now, knowing our defensive needs, i'd have to go on ir or the pup list.

[Patler]

So we are saving two mil a year on the cap by down grading to saturday. I am somewhat pleased we got him, but would have preferred Wells. Guess I just have to convince myself that Wells wanted to go else where.

Why do you have to convince yourself that Wells wanted to go elsewhere?

First, for 2012, I'm not sure Saturday is a significant downgrade. Saturday of just a few years ago may have been a better player than Wells has ever been. Even if he is not as good as he was, how much of a downgrade is it?

One thing is certain, Saturday must be as good, if not better than Wells on all the pre-snap stuff, since Manning and the Colts used the no-huddle so much, and were so good at it. Age isn't going to affect that part of his game.

Comfort yourself in knowing that the money saved at center can be used to sign or extend another player.. A slight downgrade at center might allow them to improve elsewhere, either by an unlikely FA signing, or by extending someone early. Look at it in the four year window of Wells contract. If Saturday hangs around as the starter for 2 years at about $8 million, and then you have a young guy take over, even as a high draft pick the starter will likely cost less than $6 million. That means over the four year period they will have saved $10-12 million at center to use for other positions.

[pbmax]

nevermind, Patler got it

[Upnorth]

Why do you have to convince yourself that Wells wanted to go elsewhere?

First, for 2012, I'm not sure Saturday is a significant downgrade. Saturday of just a few years ago may have been a better player than Wells has ever been. Even if he is not as good as he was, how much of a downgrade is it?

One thing is certain, Saturday must be as good, if not better than Wells on all the pre-snap stuff, since Manning and the Colts used the no-huddle so much, and were so good at it. Age isn't going to affect that part of his game.

Comfort yourself in knowing that the money saved at center can be used to sign or extend another player.. A slight downgrade at center might allow them to improve elsewhere, either by an unlikely FA signing, or by extending someone early. Look at it in the four year window of Wells contract. If Saturday hangs around as the starter for 2 years at about $8 million, and then you have a young guy take over, even as a high draft pick the starter will likely cost less than $6 million. That means over the four year period they will have saved $10-12 million at center to use for other positions.

While I agree that Saturday of yesterday (this would be clever if today was sunday) was better than Wells of today, he has declined over the last three years, and Oline has a steep drop off when you hit the age wall. Lets hope Polian did not do what TT has done, cast of the old just when they are done. Further it seems to me the colts blocking system is predicated on a pocket quarterback who occasionaly moves the pocket, whereas the GB blocking system is built on a mobile qb who takes advantage of that. The way to set your blocks and read the defence are different in the two systems. I would have rather bit the bullet on Wells and homegrown his backup than bringing in the ageing dog and teaching him new tricks.
For what its worth I really hope you can make me eat crow.

Finally the two million a year against the cap is exactly that, 2 million, not 10 to 12 over 4 years. My hope is EDS grows into the center, and he has potential (see Suh, Cry Baby) so I would have rather seen the money spent on Wells.

[MJZiggy]

While I agree that Saturday of yesterday (this would be clever if today was sunday) was better than Wells of today, he has declined over the last three years, and Oline has a steep drop off when you hit the age wall. Lets hope Polian did not do what TT has done, cast of the old just when they are done. Further it seems to me the colts blocking system is predicated on a pocket quarterback who occasionaly moves the pocket, whereas the GB blocking system is built on a mobile qb who takes advantage of that. The way to set your blocks and read the defence are different in the two systems. I would have rather bit the bullet on Wells and homegrown his backup than bringing in the ageing dog and teaching him new tricks.
For what its worth I really hope you can make me eat crow.

Finally the two million a year against the cap is exactly that, 2 million, not 10 to 12 over 4 years. My hope is EDS grows into the center, and he has potential (see Suh, Cry Baby) so I would have rather seen the money spent on Wells.

Uhhhh...Not sure if you're visiting a different continent, but here in North America, it's Saturday.

[Patler]

Finally the two million a year against the cap is exactly that, 2 million, not 10 to 12 over 4 years. My hope is EDS grows into the center, and he has potential (see Suh, Cry Baby) so I would have rather seen the money spent on Wells.

Actually, it isn't just 2 million per year. You really have to look at the guaranteed money and lengths of contracts, because those are the issues that affect if you can or can not sign other players. It will be paid regardless. Wells is guaranteed to get $13 million, Saturday just $4 million. The Packers have flexibility with $9 million cap dollars that they would not have if they had signed Wells for the same contract he did sign. They may chose to give some $3.75 million of it to Saturday next year, or they may sign a cheaper or more expensive alternative for 2013.

[Upnorth]

Actually, it isn't just 2 million per year. You really have to look at the guaranteed money and lengths of contracts, because those are the issues that affect if you can or can not sign other players. It will be paid regardless. Wells is guaranteed to get $13 million, Saturday just $4 million. The Packers have flexibility with $9 million cap dollars that they would not have if they had signed Wells for the same contract he did sign. They may chose to give some $3.75 million of it to Saturday next year, or they may sign a cheaper or more expensive alternative for 2013.

I was under the understanding that guaranteed money is prorated over the lenght of the contract, so it would not be a 9 million dollar difference this year but over the 3 years of Wells contract. I believe the average of Wells Contract is just over 6 mill a year, where as Saturday's is just under 4 mil a year. So lets say the difference is about 2 1/4 a year, so we would not be losing 9 mil in flexibility this year, but rather 2 1/4 mil this year. Next year same thing. The following year would be the big difference between the contracts, as Saturday would be gone and Wells would still be around, and possibly still playing at a decent level. 2014 is the year the big tv contract hits the cap, so there will be a corresponding jump in the cap, most estimate about 20 mil (from what i read) which reduces the impact of Wells final year. Long story short, I think you are over stating the financial impact of the two contract. Money is important, but we are talking about a key player on the oline for protecting ARod.

Aside from the money, did you follow my other (and more important) point?

Those add up to my desire to see it as Wells wanting to move rather that TT screwing up.

[Patler]

I was under the understanding that guaranteed money is prorated over the lenght of the contract, so it would not be a 9 million dollar difference this year but over the 3 years of Wells contract. I believe the average of Wells Contract is just over 6 mill a year, where as Saturday's is just under 4 mil a year. So lets say the difference is about 2 1/4 a year, so we would not be losing 9 mil in flexibility this year, but rather 2 1/4 mil this year. Next year same thing. The following year would be the big difference between the contracts, as Saturday would be gone and Wells would still be around, and possibly still playing at a decent level. 2014 is the year the big tv contract hits the cap, so there will be a corresponding jump in the cap, most estimate about 20 mil (from what i read) which reduces the impact of Wells final year. Long story short, I think you are over stating the financial impact of the two contract. Money is important, but we are talking about a key player on the oline for protecting ARod.

Aside from the money, did you follow my other (and more important) point?

Those add up to my desire to see it as Wells wanting to move rather that TT screwing up.

I didn't mean they would have the $9 million this year. Over some period of time, they are guaranteed to have flexibility with at least $9 million more. It could be over two years, 3 years or 4 years, depending on how long the players play (and any cap hit accelerations), and it could end up being more than $9 million (and probably will be).

I think it is likely to play out this way:
- Wells will play out his contract and cost about $25 million (depending on incentives).
- Saturday will play one year at about $4 million.
- Player "X" will start in 2013-2015 at significantly less.

During those four years, the Packers will have had flexibility with an awful lot of cap dollars to use toward other players. When that happens is anyone's guess.

If you want to get down to hard facts, against the 2012 cap, Saturday might actually cost as much or more than Wells. Some reports have Wells cap number this year at only $3.5 million. I think it is very shortsighted to consider the impact on only one year when when an FA is signed with a significant guarantee, because the guarantees eat into future caps and impact what you can do with other players. Wells will eat ups somewhere between $13-25 Million. During a similar time frame (whatever it is) the Packers will spend less than half as much for their center.

As to level of play, I don't think there will be significant drop off in 2012. For 2013-2015, depends on who plays in GB.

[Upnorth]

I didn't mean they would have the $9 million this year. Over some period of time, they are guaranteed to have flexibility with at least $9 million more. It could be over two years, 3 years or 4 years, depending on how long the players play (and any cap hit accelerations), and it could end up being more than $9 million (and probably will be).

I think it is likely to play out this way:
- Wells will play out his contract and cost about $25 million (depending on incentives).
- Saturday will play one year at about $4 million.
- Player "X" will start in 2013-2015 at significantly less.

During those four years, the Packers will have had flexibility with an awful lot of cap dollars to use toward other players. When that happens is anyone's guess.

If you want to get down to hard facts, against the 2012 cap, Saturday might actually cost as much or more than Wells. Some reports have Wells cap number this year at only $3.5 million. I think it is very shortsighted to consider the impact on only one year when when an FA is signed with a significant guarantee, because the guarantees eat into future caps and impact what you can do with other players. Wells will eat ups somewhere between $13-25 Million. During a similar time frame (whatever it is) the Packers will spend less than half as much for their center.

As to level of play, I don't think there will be significant drop off in 2012. For 2013-2015, depends on who plays in GB.

This is similar numbers to what I have seen, however the Wells only costing 3.5 this year is new to me. My point is future cap dollar effects will be greatly reduce in the year where Wells contract passes Saturdays due to the TV budget. I kinda doubt Saturday is here next year, where as Wells would play for three more years in all likely hood. It is like planning for growth adjusted inflation. The bigger future numbers are reduced in real terms due to the overall increase in the pie. If the cap goes up the 20 million, that is like adding about 17%ish to the cap, so the cost of Wells 6 mil in todays terms is only about 83% of the 6 mil, plus you still have a center under those terms. I seen having a good line as one of the most important keys to the offence. I guess it boils down to where you want to spend the limited dollars, and to me Wells was a wise investment.

As previously stated, I really hope I eat crow for this.

[Lurker64]

I doubt signing Saturday changed the early rounds of the draft much. TT probably wasn't going to draft a Center in the first 2 rounds anyway. On the other hand, if he feels someone like Konz is the best player on the board when their pick comes, he'll take that player despite the signing of Saturday.

I think Ted would be hard pressed to spend a first round pick this year on a player who wouldn't challenge to start, since there's enough who would. It's not like Konz is a huge upside guy, a lot of his value is in the fact that he's clean, technique sound, and really NFL ready. But he's not going to top Saturday in the pre-snap read stuff (which GB's system puts a huge priority on), and there's no way that Konz is going to win any of the other four starting jobs unless we feel compelled to move Lang to tackle for some reason (which wouldn't be a good idea, since he's a darn good LG.)

[Upnorth]

Oh one last point Patler, I'm right and your wrong.

[pbmax]

I was under the understanding that guaranteed money is prorated over the lenght of the contract, so it would not be a 9 million dollar difference this year but over the 3 years of Wells contract. I believe the average of Wells Contract is just over 6 mill a year, where as Saturday's is just under 4 mil a year. So lets say the difference is about 2 1/4 a year, so we would not be losing 9 mil in flexibility this year, but rather 2 1/4 mil this year. Next year same thing. The following year would be the big difference between the contracts, as Saturday would be gone and Wells would still be around, and possibly still playing at a decent level. 2014 is the year the big tv contract hits the cap, so there will be a corresponding jump in the cap, most estimate about 20 mil (from what i read) which reduces the impact of Wells final year. Long story short, I think you are over stating the financial impact of the two contract. Money is important, but we are talking about a key player on the oline for protecting ARod.

Aside from the money, did you follow my other (and more important) point?

Those add up to my desire to see it as Wells wanting to move rather that TT screwing up.

Wells' contract is for four years, $24 million and $13 million guaranteed. Wells will collect all his guaranteed cash in the first two years. Saturday was offered dueling one year contracts from Denver and Green Bay and its thought the Packers gave him a second year to seal the deal. Since that was likely the costliest Packer concession and given that Saturday had only a one year contract as leverage, its highly doubtful much of his money (if any at all) is truly guaranteed. So Saturday has a 2 year, $7.75 that is, should the Packers desire it, simply a one year deal for $4 million.

And its not enough to count on an increasing cap to afford Rodgers, Jennings, et al. Since the cap will be going up for all teams, other teams will have space to make a run at them. And since all contracts will be headed north, the extra cap room alone might not be enough.

[Upnorth]

Wells' contract is for four years, $24 million and $13 million guaranteed. Wells will collect all his guaranteed cash in the first two years. Saturday was offered dueling one year contracts from Denver and Green Bay and its thought the Packers gave him a second year to seal the deal. Since that was likely the costliest Packer concession and given that Saturday had only a one year contract as leverage, its highly doubtful much of his money (if any at all) is truly guaranteed. So Saturday has a 2 year, $7.75 that is, should the Packers desire it, simply a one year deal for $4 million.

And its not enough to count on an increasing cap to afford Rodgers, Jennings, et al. Since the cap will be going up for all teams, other teams will have space to make a run at them. And since all contracts will be headed north, the extra cap room alone might not be enough.

Regarding the increasing cap, I dont think it will help to sign Jennings. In my mind he is gone, unless the WR market becomes sensible between now and then. Rodgers, Rajo and Clay on the other had I do thnk we will be able to keep. One last point, i thought Wells sign 3 yr 18 mil.

[Joemailman]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/center-saturday-feels-packers-are-a-good-fit-564nlc3-144117105.html


I told him (Campen), I want to be coached," Saturday said. "There isn't a point where you have everything figured out and you can't do things better. The things I saw, I'm very excited about.

Hopefully Campen will be able to coach him up.

[Guiness]

Ok, all of you are WAY off topic here. This is a thread to post silly songs with the word Sudbury in it. Or is that Saturday? Something like that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw7rzpvDvS0

[Rutnstrut]

I have always really liked Jeff Saturday, he has always been a very solid player. But it is true his play has dropped off, especially the last few years, I am one of the few that really watches and is interested in line play throughout the NFL. it isn't the sexy part of football, but without solid line play on both sides of the ball you don't get much of the rest. I really want Saturday to do well in GB, but I just don't see there not being a noticeable drop off from Wells. If I'm wrong I will be the first to admit it, but I don't think I am. Not only do I think there will be a drop off, I doubt Saturday makes it through the whole season.

[woodbuck27]

Funny how all the stories of Manning bringing along Saturday and Reggie Wayne turned out to be bunk.

Media writer person having coffee and a donut>>>> Ohh an idea>>> Because I'm aware of that and that ...and well .....that too !! mmmm

Peyton Manning and other Colts are Free Agents. There >>>I'll get paid >>> I have it ! >>> A storyb my Editor will absoluely LOVE. Let's see>>>

mmmm I've got it ! Preeeetieee GOOD story line >>>

I'll START writing it up on this napkin >>>Ohh ! coffee stain>>>OK... another napkin>>>

Send it out there>>>On the wire.>>>Other writers catch the pulse of that story >>> They can write it better, even, enhance it>>>those writers add to that story>>That story comes ALIVE ! >>> That story goes VIRALE >>>

The TV media buys into it! >>>Something to talk about>>>>Need a show>>> The fan buys into it>>sure makes sense>>>IT... must be !

The man involved dumbs it out ! >>> He goes in a whole different direction >>> Whaaaaat !

What do we learn?

Simple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patience.

[woodbuck27]

Ok, all of you are WAY off topic here. This is a thread to post silly songs with the word Sudbury in it. Or is that Saturday? Something like that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw7rzpvDvS0

Now we're gettin down !

What ....Tuesday Weld is Jim Carrey's Mommie !?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Carrey

http://www.google.com/search?q=tuesday+weld&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-ca:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ADFA_enCA428&prmd=imvnsol&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=8wBvT8uJJcbUgQe83pVr&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=1280&bih=532

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuesday_Weld

Jim's Daddie sure understands the meaning of the word>>>LUCKY>>> if that's true. Even if it's not he likely knows the meaning of that word.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1473397/

Was that possible fact written on a napkin?

[sheepshead]

Actually, it isn't just 2 million per year. You really have to look at the guaranteed money and lengths of contracts, because those are the issues that affect if you can or can not sign other players. It will be paid regardless. Wells is guaranteed to get $13 million, Saturday just $4 million. The Packers have flexibility with $9 million cap dollars that they would not have if they had signed Wells for the same contract he did sign. They may chose to give some $3.75 million of it to Saturday next year, or they may sign a cheaper or more expensive alternative for 2013.


Thats the ball buster with veteran lineman and running backs, its those last 2 years that will likely be cap killers. It was the deal with Rivera back in the day. I think its great signing, I have to believe Saturday thinks he might play in a Super Bowl as a result.

[Bretsky]

All you punsters deserve this. Especially Bretsky, who as we speak is busy ignoring mortgage processing to redefine starting caliber so he doesn't have to credit Thompson for this signing. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0


Bretsky goes to Vegas ; Ted signs a free agent while I'm in the plane. I called this one long ago; not hard to read. Great attitude, team leader, good player...not looking to raid a salary cap like Wells.

Hey, was he injured last year ? I just want to verify he started three games before changing my sig

[Bretsky]

I think Ted would be hard pressed to spend a first round pick this year on a player who wouldn't challenge to start, since there's enough who would. It's not like Konz is a huge upside guy, a lot of his value is in the fact that he's clean, technique sound, and really NFL ready. But he's not going to top Saturday in the pre-snap read stuff (which GB's system puts a huge priority on), and there's no way that Konz is going to win any of the other four starting jobs unless we feel compelled to move Lang to tackle for some reason (which wouldn't be a good idea, since he's a darn good LG.)


DERROK SHERROD

[Zool]

Bretsky goes to Vegas ; Ted signs a free agent while I'm in the plane. I called this one long ago; not hard to read. Great attitude, team leader, good player...not looking to raid a salary cap like Wells.

Hey, was he injured last year ? I just want to verify he started three games before changing my sig

Jeff Saturday (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SatuJe55.htm)

Started 16 games in 2011.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think you should change your signature to this:


2007 13-3
2008 6-10
2009 11-5
2010 10-6
2011 15-1

TT looks at Bretsky and whispers "scoreboard".

[pbmax]

DERROK SHERROD

Left Tackles don't always fall into your lap at pick 32. Especially when you have 1 starter who is clearly on his last legs. If Newhouse didn't develop (without an offseason) he would have started more games than Clifton.

[Bretsky]

Left Tackles don't always fall into your lap at pick 32. Especially when you have 1 starter who is clearly on his last legs. If Newhouse didn't develop (without an offseason) he would have started more games than Clifton.


I doubt Sherrod was starting last year; he didn't look too good in the preseason. It's hard to paint the fall into our lap picture when he was drafted right where everybody expected him to fall

[pbmax]

I doubt Sherrod was starting last year; he didn't look too good in the preseason. It's hard to paint the fall into our lap picture when he was drafted right where everybody expected him to fall

He would have had to if we can believe the Kansas City game. Sherrod went in to RT before they moved Lang. So for a Tackle opening, Sherrod before Lang. If Newhouse hadn't developed, I think Sherrod would have been given a more serious shot. And since it took most of camp for Lang to win LG, I am not sure a lesser performance from Newhouse would have moved them to move Lang back to tackle.

As for falling into your lap, I understand its not like Rodgers free fall. But Sherrod did have a first round grade and was available at the end of the round. A lot of worse Tackle prospects have been taken earlier than 32 in years past. He was a good talent at a late stage considering his grade. Even better that he wasn't a project type specimen.