Wonderlic Score ... 'a new record score' ... A FOUR ... A what !?... A Four !! ... What !!?

[woodbuck27]

Comment woodbuck27:

I have to do some follow-up on this story for accuracy and does it really matter as Morris Claiborne will go high in this months draft.

Morris Claiborne was one of fifteen semi-finalists for one of the most coveted awards in college football.

The Jim Thorpe Award (Est. 1986). Jim Thorpe was an excellent running back. He was also a passer and kicker offensively, but on the defensive side of the ball Jim Thorpe was a gifted defensive back.

Morris Claiborne a CB was the winner in 2011. Morris Claiborne is a gifted athlete.

Mel Kiper Jr's BIG BOARD:

KIPER'S BIG BOARD



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Obviously Morris Claiborne is outstanding at the College level. Watch video on him to see that for yourself. How well he transitions to the NFL is to be seen.

My question here is:

How intelligent do you need to be to cover an assignment; even if that assignment is a top ranked NFL WR? You back peddle ...you turn your hips...you run the same route as the man your covering and ... you go up for the same thrown pass and knock that pass down or pick it.

Does great athletic ability trump IQ or Intelligence Scores in terms related to being a shutdown cornerback in the NFL?

Jim Thorpe didn't know his IQ (maybe noone else did?) and certainly Jim Thorpe was never given the Wonderlic. He survived very well as an athlete.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

Claiborne gives birth to a four on the Wonderlic (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/03/claiborne-gives-birth-to-a-four-on-the-wonderlic/)

Posted by Mike Florio on April 3, 2012, 7:18 AM EDT


"The joke, however, continues to be on anyone who thinks that all college athletes are also students. Plenty of them aren’t. They’re minor-league football players who have no choice but to wait at least three years until they get a shot at joining the NFL." fr. Story

[woodbuck27]

http://www.jimthorpeassoc.org/2011/10/31/thorpe-award-semifinalists-announced/

Thorpe Award Semifinalists Announced:


Thorpe Award Semifinalists:

Antonio Allen, South Carolina
David Amerson, North Carolina State
Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State
Mark Barron, Alabama
Brandon Boykin, Georgia
Brodrick Brown, Oklahoma State

** Morris Claiborne, LSU ** The WINNER.

Casey Hayward, Vanderbilt (the next highest CB ranked by $$... at position NO.10)
Jayron Hosley, Virginia Tech
Tony Jefferson, Oklahoma
Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama (&& ...Analysis ranks him as the #2 CB in the 2012 DRAFT)
Nigel Malone, Kansas State
Markelle Martin, Oklahoma State
T.J. McDonald, USC
Chase Minnifield, Virginia

$$ http://walterfootball.com/draft2012CB.php

[woodbuck27]

http://www.kffl.com/a.php/129604/nfl-draft/2012-NFL-Draft-Scouting-Report--Morris-Claiborne--CB--LSU



Weaknesses

Relies too much on athleticism

Poor tackling technique
A bit undersized at 5-foot-11, 188 pounds
Struggles in zone coverage
Gambles too much
Tends to get lazy in his technique and cannot allow that to happen in the NFL
Where is Morris Claiborne expected to go in the draft before this information (true or not) came out?

** See LINK PLEASE.

**

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers (http://www.kffl.com/team/35/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers) (No. 5) seem to be the most likley landing spot for Claiborne. The St. Louis Rams (http://www.kffl.com/team/34/nfl/st.-louis-rams) could be in play at (No. 6), too.

[SkinBasket]

"The joke, however, continues to be on anyone who thinks that all college athletes are also students. Plenty of them aren’t. They’re minor-league football players who have no choice but to wait at least three years until they get a shot at joining the NFL." fr. Story

Actually the joke is on the American taxpayer, who's spent tens of thousands of dollars to "educate" this kid. He made it through public school, and scored a 4 on a test that asks such challenging questions as: What is the third month of the year? and then gives you multiple choice answers. Congratulations America.

[Guiness]

Something off the charts wrong there. I assume teams know these scores when they interview at the combine?

You can't take a kid with that score unless you have an idea of the cause behind it. No amount of athletic ability can overcome that. I assume the only way to get that score is to be functionally illiterate? Is English his primary language? Dyslexia?

I would think about the worst reason for this score would be arrogance, and not even trying to answer the questions.

[woodbuck27]

Something off the charts wrong there. I assume teams know these scores when they interview at the combine?

You can't take a kid with that score unless you have an idea of the cause behind it. No amount of athletic ability can overcome that. I assume the only way to get that score is to be functionally illiterate? Is English his primary language? Dyslexia?

I would think about the worst reason for this score would be arrogance, and not even trying to answer the questions.


Yes something is 'rotten in the State of Denmark', there..... Guiness. I'm trying to get more information.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.jimthorpeassoc.org/2011/10/31/thorpe-award-semifinalists-announced/

Thorpe Award Semifinalists Announced:


Thorpe Award Semifinalists:

Antonio Allen, South Carolina
David Amerson, North Carolina State
Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State
Mark Barron, Alabama
Brandon Boykin, Georgia
Brodrick Brown, Oklahoma State

** Morris Claiborne, LSU ** The WINNER.

Casey Hayward, Vanderbilt (the next highest CB ranked by $$... at position NO.10)
Jayron Hosley, Virginia Tech
Tony Jefferson, Oklahoma
Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama (&& ...Analysis ranks him as the #2 CB in the 2012 DRAFT)
Nigel Malone, Kansas State
Markelle Martin, Oklahoma State
T.J. McDonald, USC
Chase Minnifield, Virginia

$$ http://walterfootball.com/draft2012CB.php



http://www.jimthorpeassoc.org/2011/10/31/thorpe-award-semifinalists-announced/

Thorpe Award Semifinalists Announced:


Thorpe Award Semifinalists:

Antonio Allen, South Carolina
David Amerson, North Carolina State
Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State
Mark Barron, Alabama
Brandon Boykin, Georgia ($$ ... position #11)
Brodrick Brown, Oklahoma State

** Morris Claiborne, LSU ** The WINNER and Ranked to go #1 in the 2011 Draft.

Casey Hayward, Vanderbilt ($$... CB at #10)
Jayron Hosley, Virginia Tech ($$ ... CB/PR ... 2013 Draft - Projected #3)
Tony Jefferson, Oklahoma ( $$ ...#3 ranked Safety)

Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama (&& ... CB Ranked at #2 - 2012 Draft)

Nigel Malone, Kansas State
Markelle Martin, Oklahoma State

T.J. McDonald, USC ($$ ... #2 ranked Safety)

Chase Minnifield, Virginia

LOL ... Was anyone with a surname begining with the letter 'N' to 'Z' ...NOT considered a candidate? (-:

$$ http://walterfootball.com/draft2012CB.php

[Zool]

FYI, you just quoted yourself and made 4 changes. Your ppt (posts per thread) is off the charts.

[Tony Oday]

I am sure that he met all the eligibility requirements for the NCAA...WTF over $100,000 spent educating this moron in public schools, $50k for college and he is a moron...He will be broke 3 years after football write that down.

[denverYooper]

He has a learning disability.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/What-you-should-know-about-Claibornes-test-score.html

Where there's smoke, there're mirrors.

[woodbuck27]

He has a learning disability.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/What-you-should-know-about-Claibornes-test-score.html

Where there's smoke, there're mirrors.

There's the answer I was looking for.

Thanks a bunch denverYooper.

[Brandon494]

These kids need to start refusing to take the wonderlic test if they are going to keep making the scores public.

[Tony Oday]

These kids need to be booted from schools if they cant pass a wonderlic test!

Seriously though there needs to be a Major that is Proffesional Athlete rather than pretending these kids are students.

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/03/bus-cook-in-shock-about-claiborne-test-score/

Bus Cook “in shock” about Claiborne test score

Posted by Mike Florio on April 3, 2012, 1:40 PM EDT

"Adam Schefter of ESPN also has gotten a quote from Claiborne’s agent, Bus Cook."

" “I haven’t heard a word about it,” Cook said of the score. “I haven’t talked to anybody about it. All I know is that [Claiborne] was from a complicated defensive system and he flourished in it. I’ve never seen any sort of deficiency in him. I’m sitting here in shock at what you’re telling me.....


And if it is true, how does that get out? I thought the Commissioner was going to put safeguards on this information and there would be severe discipline if it ever did get out. I don’t know if he scored a 4 or a 40. All I know is he’s a great kid, he’s smart, and I’ve been thoroughly impressed with everything about him.” " Bus Cook

Comment woodbuck27:

Place yourself in Morris Claiborn's shoes. Can you try to do that please?

He has a handicap to deal with. He has a learning disability and somehow manages to play college football at a level high enough to be ranked the #1 CB available in the 2012 draft.

The buck can be passed. Opinions can go from here to there and somewhere else. IMO the bottom line lies in 'NOT' ever making Wonderlic scores public knowledge. In Canada it's not easy to determine a student IQ Test score. Often a student is placed in a class with students with similiar IQ's.

The NFL may claim a need to know but the Scouts, GM's etc. have a means to determine a College players intelligence and overall attitude by exercising the interview process.

[pbmax]

These kids need to start refusing to take the wonderlic test if they are going to keep making the scores public.

And you would think his agent would know the kid likely has only taken tests like these with accommodations, so he was destined to fail a one size fits all test.

To anyone who was modestly prepared, it should have been no surprise.

[pbmax]

These kids need to be booted from schools if they cant pass a wonderlic test!

Seriously though there needs to be a Major that is Proffesional Athlete rather than pretending these kids are students.

I agree. But alumni want to be the free farm system for football and basketball. So to keep the endowment dollars flowing, they will keep finding ways to keep them in school. Whether or not they belong there.

[sheepshead]

How is Bus Cook still in business after the Favre fiasco?

[Joemailman]

How is Bus Cook still in business after the Favre fiasco?

Not sure what you mean. Most would say he got Favre what Favre wanted. A job as QB of the Vikings without going through offseason work.

[hoosier]

Actually the joke is on the American taxpayer, who's spent tens of thousands of dollars to "educate" this kid. He made it through public school, and scored a 4 on a test that asks such challenging questions as: What is the third month of the year? and then gives you multiple choice answers. Congratulations America.

You can lead a horse to water....

Edit: Never mind, didn't read far enough to discover the underlying explanation.

[Cheesehead Craig]

A four? Does that mean he could open his own Packers Forum? Hey-oooooo!

[Little Whiskey]

here is a sample of the wonderlic test.

http://walterfootball.com/draftwonderlic.php

[woodbuck27]

How is Bus Cook still in business after the Favre fiasco?

ohh boy I'd love to see you wiggle out of this one mister.LOL

I'll start and allow you a convent escape hatch.Bus Cook was hired by Brett Favre to secure him decent NFL Contracts NOT act as 'gurdian over his private life'. Maybe you have a different relationship with your agent?

What fiasco are you referring to sheepshead? Maybe you'd like to take that question out to the barn and marinate it.

I'm trying to make you laugh Bud.

[woodbuck27]

A four? Does that mean he could open his own Packers Forum? Hey-oooooo!


ohh Boy.... you cannot help yourself.

[woodbuck27]

And you would think his agent would know the kid likely has only taken tests like these with accommodations, so he was destined to fail a one size fits all test.

To anyone who was modestly prepared, it should have been no surprise.

I've been thinking about this news and what a damaging effect 'it may have' on Morris Claiborne. Here's a young man who's by all accounts a gifted athlete and touted as the first defensive back off the board. Here's a young man deserving of better from the media. Certainly deserving of better from any man that would judge his competence given his 'learning disability' and knowledge of such.

Re: Morris Claiborne's agent Bus Cook.

Mr. Cook, as his agent has to serve his client with all respect and knowledge.

It strikes me that it was incombent for Bus Cook to be aware of Morris Claiborne's cognitive ability and his diagnosed 'learning disability'; serve him in regard to all manners . Bus Cook needed to prepare Morris Claiborne for the Wonderlik test in terms of possible negative feedback. Might he have gotten a sample test to serve his client? Maybe, maybe NOT?

What surprizes me as an NFL fan is that Bus Cook expresed shock at Morris Claiborne's reported results in the Wonderlik test. That reaction wasn't very astute on Bus Cook's behalf.

[smuggler]

If you Christmas-tree'd the thing you'd most likely get a 10. I think his agent told him to bomb it. There was a study that showed cognitive ability was inversely related to success at CB in the NFL. Dumb is good for CBs, but there are exceptions to every rule.

[sheepshead]

ohh boy I'd love to see you wiggle out of this one mister.LOL

I'll start and allow you a convent escape hatch.Bus Cook was hired bt Brett Favre to secure him decent NFL Contracts NOT act as 'gurdian over his private life'. Maybe you have a different relationship with your agent?

What fiasco are you referring to sheepshead? Maybe you'd like to take that question out to the barn and marinate it.

anytime I have hired a lawyer he told me what to say and when to say it. How Bus Cook ever sat on the sidelines and let Favre screw that whole mess up is beyond me. Cook should have known TTs position full well and kept Favre from shooting his mouth off. I wouldnt hire the guy to get me out of a parking ticket. Private Life? huh?

[sheepshead]

Not sure what you mean. Most would say he got Favre what Favre wanted. A job as QB of the Vikings without going through offseason work.

Their mishandling of the Packers situation. TT bent over backwards. Cook should have kept Favre from breaking his word. I dont want to start a Favre thread, Im just surprised the guy is still in the business after that circus. I think the guy sucks at what he does.

[sheepshead]

and wood, this is an OPINION. Something you might consider typing once in a while.

[woodbuck27]

anytime I have hired a lawyer he told me what to say and when to say it. How Bus Cook ever sat on the sidelines and let Favre screw that whole mess up is beyond me. Cook should have known TTs position full well and kept Favre from shooting his mouth off. I wouldnt hire the guy to get me out of a parking ticket. Private Life? huh?

Cool sheepshead and I DO NOT WANT TO OPEN A CAN of WORMS on this matter.

From my view of that Favre matter and the Packers (TT and MM). It seems clear to me that not even Brett Favre knew where he stood with the Green Bay Packers. How could Bus Cook have better information?

Re: What I believe and have believed for some time.....Please, go to Favre's Website and read the Article by a Wisconsin writer. This writer clearly supports the assertion I've always made based entirely in my analysis. Favre was set up. they used him against himself to make a change at starting QB and that decision by (TT and MM) was fine by me but they should have been totaly upfront on that decision with Brett Favre. I am talking the STARTING QB position with 'the Packers'. Not as any possible backup at QB.

On the subject of Lawyers. In Canada these people have bad Rep's. and 'in fact' last time I read are ranked at the bottom of all professions RE: integrity and Honesty or as a respected profession. I mean 'no insult' to any members here that are lawyers. I'm sure you do your best. (-:

sheepshead..should you TRUST your lawyer rather than just use your good sense?

[woodbuck27]

and wood, this is an OPINION. Something you might consider typing once in a while.

and toss out my HARD analysis !? IMO that lends little strength to my views.

[Guiness]

I just read that Patrick Peterson, last year's first CB pick, scored a 9.

They always saw a good CB has no memory, maybe this is what they mean???

I've seen reports that this won't hurt his draft stock. Maybe his on-field performance speaks for itself, but you have to think there is some sort of a minimum threshold? Good post re: the learning disability Yooper. I can't believe the NFL wouldn't make some sort of an accommodation for him...if the problem really is reading, could he not take it orally?

[sheepshead]

Cool sheepshead and I DO NOT WANT TO OPEN A CAN of WORMS on this matter.

From my view of that Favre matter and the Packers (TT and MM). It seems clear to me that not even Brett Favre knew where he stood with the Green Bay Packers. How could Bus Cook have better information?

Re: What I believe and have believed for some time.....Please, go to Favre's Website and read the Article by a Wisconsin writer. This writer clearly supports the assertion I've always made based entirely in my analysis. Favre was set up. they used him against himself to make a change at starting QB and that decision by (TT and MM) was fine by me but they should have been totaly upfront on that decision with Brett Favre. I am talking the STARTING QB position with 'the Packers'. Not as any possible backup at QB.

On the subject of Lawyers. In Canada these people have bad Rep's. and 'in fact' last time I read are ranked at the bottom of all professions RE: integrity and Honesty or as a respected profession. I mean 'no insult' to any members here that are lawyers. I'm sure you do your best. (-:

sheepshead..should you TRUST your lawyer rather than just use your good sense?

wtf, we all knew exactly where TT stood on this matter. They laid it out to him every year. again, i dont want to start a favre thread. The guys a bad lawyer. I wouldnt hire him for anything. thats my point. a good agent would never have let that circus unfold.

[SkinBasket]

He has a learning disability.

Yeah. And 1 in 88 kids has autism spectrum disorder. We're all retarded now. Some are just dumber than others.

[Pugger]

Aren't these scores supposed to be confidential?? The kid has a learning disability but that doesn't make him a moron. The real crime here is his score was leaked. It's getting so anyone who is in the public eye has be fearful of any skeletons in one's closet because everything about you can become public knowledge. Maybe this will cause him to drop to #28.... ;-)

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Morris-Claiborne-NFL-draft-LSU-Wonderlic-score-040312

[Pugger]

here is a sample of the wonderlic test.

http://walterfootball.com/draftwonderlic.php

I stink at math so I did poorly in the sample. :sad:

[Kiwon]

It's not right that the guy's score was leaked.

But what the heck does that say about the academics at LSU? Did the guy learn anything during his time there?

Tennesee is building a $45 million football complex and practice facility. $45 million? What's the graduation rate among football players at UT? Talk about the tail wagging the dog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw4OdUaVmEA

[woodbuck27]

I stink at math so I did poorly in the sample. :sad:


Most of us do not live in a constant learning environment where our brains are being exercised and more efficient. I recall how much better I was able to exercise the cognitive skills in that environment compared to being away from it for even 6 months time. The brain needs constant exercise to serve us best. Even that isn't the end all ... be all.

I've been a Math teacher and minored in Math doing a BEd @ UNB. The test is fair.

If you don't know Algebra you could miss a couple of questions and there's one tricky question @ No.11 that takes some thought for 'the BEST' response. If your capascity to take any test is good and your brain is being exercised in a University environment. There's no reason NOT to score 100%.

The issue with this story is IMO unfolding as.

a) Why did Morris Claibornes score get released? It should NOT have IMO.

b) Is that fact moot given that Morris Claiborn has been diagnosed with a 'Learning Disability.

c) With a low...V. low Wonderlic score. Does that fact impact on his ability to be a shutdown cornerback? Those scouting him must have become aware of any learning disability or maybe didn't consider such in observing his skills as a cornerback.

d) Will this leak impact Morris Claiborne's draft status?

e) In the future should this story impact college player and agent relationships in terms of an agents need to really known his client and any potential issue RE: the Wonderlic? RE: any interview with NFL brass; NFL scouts etc.?

[sheepshead]

There is every reason for the NFL to require these tests and more. There's a lot of money at stake. There is NO reason to leak these scores. The league needs to clamp down on this.

[woodbuck27]

There is every reason for the NFL to require these tests and more. There's a lot of money at stake. There is NO reason to leak these scores. The league needs to clamp down on this.

We agree on this.

[pbmax]

Its going to be very hard to clamp down on it when every team and every personnel employee has a copy. Someone would need to do something egregious, like Reply To All to be caught offering up this tidbit.

[pbmax]

If he truly has a disability and Cook did not take advantage of this, I would be warming up a lawsuit:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/04/combine-president-says-an-accommodation-i-available-for-the-wonderlic/

[Pugger]

Most of us do not live in a constant learning environment where our brains are being exercised and more efficient. I recall how much better I was able to exercise the cognitive skills in that environment compared to being away from it for even 6 months time. The brain needs constant exercise to serve us best. Even that isn't the end all ... be all.

I've been a Math teacher and minored in Math doing a BEd @ UNB. The test is fair.

If you don't know Algebra you could miss a couple of questions and there's one tricky question @ No.11 that takes some thought for 'the BEST' response. If your capascity to take any test is good and your brain is being exercised in a University environment. There's no reason NOT to score 100%.

The issue with this story is IMO unfolding as.

a) Why did Morris Claibornes score get released? It should NOT have IMO.

b) Is that fact moot given that Morris Claiborn has been diagnosed with a 'Learning Disability.

c) With a low...V. low Wonderlic score. Does that fact impact on his ability to be a shutdown cornerback? Those scouting him must have become aware of any learning disability or maybe didn't consider such in observing his skills as a cornerback.

d) Will this leak impact Morris Claiborne's draft status?

e) In the future should this story impact college player and agent relationships in terms of an agents need to really known his client and any potential issue RE: the Wonderlic? RE: any interview with NFL brass; NFL scouts etc.?

I really struggled with Algebra back in the day. :bang:

[Patler]

For years, articles on the Packer draft picks would routinely state their Wonderlic score, or would state "not available", as an excuse for not publishing it. You don't have to go back too many years to find lists published of the Wonderlic scores for everyone at the Combine, right along side their times in the 40 and their bench press reps.

It's only the last few years that this has become taboo. People aren't going to change overnight. Scouts, GMs and other staff with access routinely talked about it for years, and slips will occur, particularly for a player who has a "notable" result.

[woodbuck27]

For years, articles on the Packer draft picks would routinely state their Wonderlic score, or would state "not available", as an excuse for not publishing it. You don't have to go back too many years to find lists published of the Wonderlic scores for everyone at the Combine, right along side their times in the 40 and their bench press reps.

It's only the last few years that this has become taboo. People aren't going to change overnight. Scouts, GMs and other staff with access routinely talked about it for years, and slips will occur, particularly for a player who has a "notable" result.

Good point Patler. Change does take time.

Tradition trumps change.

Wonderlic or NOT Morris Claiborne is rated as the TOP defensive player in this years draft.

In an NFL that has gone pass happy and where emphasis has been placed on having a top caliber offense. Where the term 'Franchise QB ' is moot without a solid LT.

I'm reading that the Minnesota Vikings (and their pass defense woes) might be advised to give Morris Claiborne a solid look. I believe that the Vikings will serve their QB of the future Christian Ponder and draft at LT; yet for the mere suggestion that the Vikings might reconsider and draft Morris Claiborne. Speaks mountains for Morris Claiborne and his skill set ...his talent.

[woodbuck27]

If he truly has a disability and Cook did not take advantage of this, I would be warming up a lawsuit:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/04/combine-president-says-an-accommodation-i-available-for-the-wonderlic/


It's certainly covered in this article.Thanks.

Bus Cook would have had to ask this question of Morris Claiborne. Do you have a learning disability?

Morris Claiborne would have had to respond...YES.

Then and in that case... it was incumbent on Bus Cook to seek the best accomodation available to Morris Claiborne.



Question pbmax... Any matter of a lawsuit and relevency would be determined in investigation of the above wouldn't it?

[Fritz]

We can talk shit about a guy for having a lousy three-cone drill time, but we can't say anything negative about a guy for doing poorly on the Wonderlic drill.

[smuggler]

No doubt they sign disclosure agreements, so the release of the score isn't an issue per se. It's the timing and method that's disturbing.

[woodbuck27]

We can talk shit about a guy for having a lousy three-cone drill time, but we can't say anything negative about a guy for doing poorly on the Wonderlic drill.


Were your test results all over the neighborhood? Shit happens.

Some folk carry their shovel for 'the wrong reasons'. (-:

[denverYooper]

Yeah. And 1 in 88 kids has autism spectrum disorder. We're all retarded now. Some are just dumber than others.

Not me. I'm special.

My mom told me so.

[Zool]

We can talk shit about a guy for having a lousy three-cone drill time, but we can't say anything negative about a guy for doing poorly on the Wonderlic drill.

We can talk shit about them getting busted with weed. We can talk shit about basically every aspect of their lives, but a guy is too effing lazy to study for a test that 4th graders would get a B, and we're the assholes.

[woodbuck27]

Next..

[pbmax]

We can talk shit about them getting busted with weed. We can talk shit about basically every aspect of their lives, but a guy is too effing lazy to study for a test that 4th graders would get a B, and we're the assholes.

That 4th grader is probably terrible at football.

http://deadspin.com/5899735/why-does-the-nfl-still-use-the-wonderlic


1) NFL performance on the football field was only found to have a statistically significant correlation with Wonderlic scores among two positions: Tight end and defensive back. Correlations were statistically negligible across all other positions. (Yes, even QB.) In other words, with the exception of TEs and DBs, a player's Wonderlic score (high or low) gave no predictable projection for their eventual productivity as an NFL player. It was worthless.

2)Tight ends and defensive backs showed a (significant) negative correlation.

Takeaway? This DB will be perfectly fine. As will Finley.

[hoosier]

1) NFL performance on the football field was only found to have a statistically significant correlation with Wonderlic scores among two positions: Tight end and defensive back. Correlations were statistically negligible across all other positions. (Yes, even QB.) In other words, with the exception of TEs and DBs, a player's Wonderlic score (high or low) gave no predictable projection for their eventual productivity as an NFL player. It was worthless.

2)Tight ends and defensive backs showed a (significant) negative correlation.

Takeaway? This DB will be perfectly fine. As will Finley.

Ok but the correlation is statistically negligible or even negative when the wonderlic score is within what range? Because I am not sure anyone has even seen a 4 before...who's to say the non/negative correlation doesn't start to turn around as x approaches zero? :-)

[pbmax]

Ok but the correlation is statistically negligible or even negative when the wonderlic score is within what range? Because I am not sure anyone has even seen a 4 before...who's to say the non/negative correlation doesn't start to turn around as x approaches zero? :-)

Knock yourself out hoosier :lol:

http://www.thesportjournal.org/article/intelligence-and-football-testing-differentials-collegiate-quarterback-passing-performance-a

[Joemailman]

Knock yourself out hoosier :lol:

http://www.thesportjournal.org/article/intelligence-and-football-testing-differentials-collegiate-quarterback-passing-performance-a

Those guys need to get a life.

[GrnBay007]

....or he's just that cocky he said I don't give a F@ck about their tests and messed with it.

And does it really matter to a team if they are confident he can learn their system?

[woodbuck27]

http://deadspin.com/5899735/why-does-the-nfl-still-use-the-wonderlic

"The scores will never become available, except to NFL teams who presumably have done their homework on any correlation between Wonderlic and performance. If they have, none of them have ever shown an inclination to heavily weight their draft board by it." Fr. Article

" "You have to watch out for the smart ones," Giants GM Jerry Reese said in 2007 (http://deadspin.com/5772275/faster-stronger-smarter).

"If things aren't going well, they have other careers to fall back on. The ones who are good at football and only football, they'll do whatever it takes to stay in the league." " Jerry Reese

[pbmax]

....or he's just that cocky he said I don't give a F@ck about their tests and messed with it.

And does it really matter to a team if they are confident he can learn their system?

The League administers the test, so its impossible to know how much emphasis an individual team might place in it. Teams, icluding the Giants, have their own battery of tests they give including psychological profiles. McGinn always places a big emphasis on the wonderlic, but his commentary is always backwards looking and specific to a player (or possibly someone the Packers could have had or kept). So he isolates on cases where his contention is correct. If you were to look at the broader data like the studies have done, I doubt there is much to it, except for the fact that a team then can weave it into a narrative about a player.

Like Jerry Reese staying away from smart players, preferring those who have no choice but to play football. I am sure he remembers each player who could retire early and do something else. But I doubt he spends too much time wondering how well his players can adapt.

[pbmax]

No doubt they sign disclosure agreements, so the release of the score isn't an issue per se. It's the timing and method that's disturbing.

Maybe, but part of that agreement might be that the League will make an effort to keep the results confidential. If they can't, players are simply going to stop taking it. Many refuse to do certain drills, this test would be no different.

[Fritz]

The League administers the test, so its impossible to know how much emphasis an individual team might place in it. Teams, icluding the Giants, have their own battery of tests they give including psychological profiles. McGinn always places a big emphasis on the wonderlic, but his commentary is always backwards looking and specific to a player (or possibly someone the Packers could have had or kept). So he isolates on cases where his contention is correct. If you were to look at the broader data like the studies have done, I doubt there is much to it, except for the fact that a team then can weave it into a narrative about a player.

Like Jerry Reese staying away from smart players, preferring those who have no choice but to play football. I am sure he remembers each player who could retire early and do something else. But I doubt he spends too much time wondering how well his players can adapt.

Let's see...I could work my ass off, make at least $450,000 a year, risk long term health problems, be on televison, play an aderenaline-charged game that boys play, be a local celebrity, pick up hot strippers all the time just by mentioning my career, get a pass from local cops when I get busted, get treated with kids gloves by the judicial system if I do get charged, and get all my drinks paid for at the bar in exchange for being friendly.

Or....I can retire and start a new career as a computer analyst and make $150,000 a year sitting in a cubicle.

[woodbuck27]

Let's see...I could work my ass off, make at least $450,000 a year, risk long term health problems, be on televison, play an aderenaline-charged game that boys play, be a local celebrity, pick up hot strippers all the time just by mentioning my career, get a pass from local cops when I get busted, get treated with kids gloves by the judicial system if I do get charged, and get all my drinks paid for at the bar in exchange for being friendly.

Or....I can retire and start a new career as a computer analyst and make $150,000 a year sitting in a cubicle.

Can an NFL player also get 'free ice cream and chocolat products'?

(-: ....Too bad reality dictates that most of us have to choose ' Option 'BB' '