Official 2012 Draft Day Thread (Day 1 At Least)

[woodbuck27]

The Bengals should go RB.


OK they do go need and a great one in OG Kevin Zeitler. A tough solid kid.

[King Friday]

I take Perry here.

[pbmax]

I am going to predict trading down. So that they don't.

[George Cumby]

trading down?

[red]

LOL, a commercial

who would have thunk?

[woodbuck27]

OK they do go need and a great one in OG Kevin Zeitler. A tough solid kid.


OK we're on the CLOCK who do you like?

Possibly he goes BPA Need and DE Courtney Upshaw.That may upset some here.

Grade of 90 set at pick 25 and Position rank is 4 but Nick Perry is there.

OK It's Nick Perry I always wanted him; for weeks he was my guy.

[Iron Mike]

...so much drama in the LBC!!!

[Fosco33]

I'm thinking trade - but Perry would give M3 that USC mentality in our backers... that'd be fun to watch.

[jklowan]

commercial and a trade down

[red]

both espn, and nfln

fucking assholes, every single year, every single pick

[Freak Out]

Trade down.

[Brando19]

pick is in!

[pbmax]

Dunne has one packer souce that said higher on Upshaw than McClellin

[Guiness]

There is betting on Twitter on the Commish hugs. Started with the one arm bro hug. Then to two arm hugs. Apparently we are up to reunion hugs. Bets are which pick will kiss him hello.

Did anyone win this?

[Fosco33]

Well pick is in...

[Sparkey]

Upshaw. Screw the numbers. The guy is just a great football player

[KYPack]

Konz?

(Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO)

[Deputy Nutz]

Nick Perry from USC






That is who I would take

[denverYooper]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Deputy Nutz]

Nick Perry from USC






That is who I would take

[Rastak]

Perry

[pbmax]

Trade to Ravens

[red]

that'll work for me

[digitaldean]

Nick Perry!!!

[Deputy Nutz]

I am smarter than all of you

[George Cumby]

SC Backers

[Brandon494]

Got my first pick right in my mock draft.

[pbmax]

Did anyone win this?

They are reviewing the photo finish now

[Cheesehead Craig]

I'm good with this.

[mmmdk]

Perry > Upshaw

Good enough for me!

[red]

that is a big dude

[Brando19]

vikings on clock?!! Upshaw here?

[Fosco33]

I'm thinking trade - but Perry would give M3 that USC mentality in our backers... that'd be fun to watch.

I like :-) Great pick

[Deputy Nutz]

I honestly didn't htink he was going to last

[Bretsky]

Perry.........Kevin Greene.............I'm down with it

[Joemailman]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/nick-perry?id=2533048

OVERVIEW
Many teams will consider drafting Perry as an outside linebacker in a 3-4. As a sophomore and junior at USC he developed into an elite pass-rushing prospect, and has the size and athletic ability to be successful working against NFL tackles. He has late first-round value.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Perry has a very strong base and balance that helps him keep momentum toward the backfield regardless of his initial move. Perry plays with good leverage and surprising athleticism for his size. He has a good burst off the ball and a natural feel for disrupting plays. He chases laterally down the line well and is a sound tackler when he reaches the ball. He has fluid hips and feet in the open field. He will be reliable even as a rookie to set the edge and defend the run with strength.
WEAKNESSES Perry can get tied up on double teams and has trouble in a tight area. This would bode well for a move to outside backer, where he can rush with more space. It remains to be seen if Perry can cover in the flat. He's a thick player but still a bit of a positional tweener, and doesn't quite have the strength of most defenders his size.

[Rastak]

Vikes move up on the clock!

[pbmax]

Wilde wrong, no trade to Ravens. Twitter blowing up. Can't complain about Perry. Not a huge pass rush but will be solid on end.

[red]

and think about the guy who will be teaching this guy how to play, kevin green

perry is gonna be a good one

[pittstang5]

Nick Perry ...I'll live with it. Now move up tomorrow and get a pass rushing DE

[Rastak]

KC Joyner pisses on every move:

KC Joyner: Perry had only 3.5 one-on-one sacks last year (defined as beating a blocker in 1-on-1 blocking situation and getting the sack within 3 seconds of the snap). Just not a high number for a 12-game college season.

[Bretsky]

MN .....Upshaw

[pbmax]

Its anticlimatic when Thompson does something conventional like draft for need in the first round.

[King Friday]

Very nice pickup...I would've preferred Shea slightly, because he has a better motor. However, Perry should have no problem getting motivated on a talented Packer squad and Greene yelling from the sidelines.

[gbgary]

‏@JermichaelF88
"Who????"


lol

[George Cumby]

strong work

[Rastak]

MN .....Upshaw


Maybe Hill?

[pbmax]

Minny and Ravens trading according to Twitter.

[red]

vikings on clock?!! Upshaw here?

thats a hell of a player still on the board, but can he be a legit 4-3 DE?

[Guiness]

They are reviewing the photo finish now

No tongue, and it doesn't count. It's like a nip slip, you have to look carefully for it.

On the topic of the draft...Hightower lasted a long time. Would he have been a fit for us? I think he would've been worth going up and getting.

[Rastak]

Schefty says Harrison Smith

[red]

there he is ras

good call

[mmmdk]

Schefty says Harrison Smith

I like him! Would be good pick.

[pbmax]

Wilde wrong, no trade to Ravens. Twitter blowing up. Can't complain about Perry. Not a huge pass rush but will be solid on end.

This comment will come back to haunt me if he turns out to rush as well as he did in college. Biu I have read in two separate pieces that a lot of his sacks took a long time.

[mmmdk]

Right on then!

[Bretsky]

Very nice pickup...I would've preferred Shea slightly, because he has a better motor. However, Perry should have no problem getting motivated on a talented Packer squad and Greene yelling from the sidelines.


The reason I like Shea a notch above Perry is IMO he's a more complete football player. He can do all the little things alright. Nice change of direction....more diverse.
I worry about Perry but anything he can offer as a pass rusher will add to the clods they have at OLB now.
Now we need to find some DL to protect him

[Lurker64]

I'm dubious about Perry's fit in the 3-4, but Ted is smarter than me and CM3 makes any competent style opposite of him possible (if they have to drop CM3 in to coverage a lot, he can definitely excel at that.)

He was a top in tier green at a need position for me, along with Vinny Curry and Kendall Reyes.

[3irty1]

Perry pick is fantastic. Solves the Packers number 1 problem.

[Joemailman]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/harrison-smith?id=2532948

OVERVIEW
Smith is an ultra-athletic, big and smart safety who has roamed the secondary as a four-year starter and senior captain for Notre Dame. He is the type of safety who is always involved, using his quickness, recognition and overall body control to react effectively to plays. While he has just adequate speed, he makes up for this deficiency with strong play recognition and anticipation, and he is often in a position to make a play on the ball. Overall, Smith is a smart, athletic defender who should push to start early in a zone-heavy NFL scheme. Expect him to contend for a late first-round selection with the help of impressive postseason workouts and interviews.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Smith is an athletic, smart free safety. He is strong and has great size for the position, and he shows up in the run game as effectively as he does against the pass. He stands out as a lengthy athlete who has range to match NFL speed across the defensive backfield. He is extremely reliable and effective in run support, which comes from his ability to read and react to plays on a quick twitch off the snap. Smith was very productive in college and rarely misses. He is a drag-down tackler who is always around the ball. Although he may have to catch and rarely delivers a blow, he is consistent. As a pass-defender, he is able to read the ball in the air and make plays all across the back end of the defense. He is able to read the quarterback well in zone and uses his athletic ability to turn and run to make plays on the ball. He is a long-strider as a runner and can turn and ignite a quick burst to run down a receiver downfield. He can then utilize his length to make strong plays on the ball. If he is in position, he will make the big interception.
WEAKNESSES Smith can struggle when covering man to man. He often finds himself in a poor position when the ball is thrown. Short area movements are of a concern somewhat, so he will be much better in a read-and-react zone defense in which he can rely on instincts and recognition more than athletic ability. While he shows up as a solid athlete in every other aspect of his game, his technique in man coverage will expose some inconsistencies in his footwork, as he often relies too heavily on his recover ability and overall length to make plays on the ball. Though he is a somewhat fluid athlete, he can be beaten by quick-twitch and explosive movers.

[pbmax]

Mike Vandermause ‏ @MikeVandermause
Scouts had their say about #Packers draft pick Nick Perry: http://tinyurl.com/c65f9sr


Kareem Copeland Kareem Copeland ‏ @kareemcopeland
No doubt about Perry's athletic ability. Questions lie between the ears. One scout told @petedougherty that he was fool's gold. #Packers

[Guiness]

and think about the guy who will be teaching this guy how to play, kevin green

perry is gonna be a good one

did I nap through something? Is Green the DL coach now? Perry's too big to move to OLB, right?

[Bretsky]

I wonder if MN would have traded with us ? Would you have moved back to pick up another 4th ?? Hmmmmm

[red]

Perry pick is fantastic. Solves the Packers number 1 problem.

can't really put it any better then that

[red]

did I nap through something? Is Green the DL coach now? Perry's too big to move to OLB, right?

nope he's our new OLB. a big OLB

[King Friday]

KC Joyner pisses on every move:

KC Joyner: Perry had only 3.5 one-on-one sacks last year (defined as beating a blocker in 1-on-1 blocking situation and getting the sack within 3 seconds of the snap). Just not a high number for a 12-game college season.

So his other 6 sacks were off double teams then...or did the offenses just ignore the guy?

[pbmax]

So his tape is with his hand on the ground. He said he wants to play DE. Is everyone sure he will play OLB at 270?

[pbmax]

So his other 6 sacks were off double teams then...or did the offenses just ignore the guy?

Or took longer than 3 seconds.

[Rastak]

I wonder if MN would have traded with us ? Would you have moved back to pick up another 4th ?? Hmmmmm



Vikes coughed up a 4th to move up...(98th)....not too expensive

[pbmax]

nope he's our new OLB. a big OLB

Works in Pitt with Woodley.

[Joemailman]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/a.j.-jenkins?id=2532876

OVERVIEW
Jenkins was a two-year starter at Illinois (while also starting four games over his first two years) for the now-departed Ron Zook and has the speed to take the top off NFL defenses. He separates well when running with defenders and is good in securing the catch. He has fifth-round value at the next level.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Jenkins is quick off the ball and gets to top speed quickly. If he gets a free release, he can be tough for corners to stay with initially. He has ability to separate when necessary and is very fluid throughout his routes. His body is strikingly under control throughout, and he has good balance if corners try to push into his hips. Jenkins is willing to go across the middle and always reaches out to pluck the ball. He is effective deep but is less of a threat after the catch.
WEAKNESSES Jenkins initiates a hard step in, then back out, as his go-to move to release off the line, and corners can see it coming at times and get their hands in his chest to throw him off. He is a smooth runner, but he will take plays off.

[Sparkey]

PERRY MATTHEWS

Vertical 38.5 35.5
Broad 10'04" 09'11"
Shuttle 4.66 4.18
Cone 7.25 6.90
40yd 4.64 4.67
reps 35 23

Interesting comparatives


ROB RANG'S TOP 50 PLAYERS OF THE 2012 NFL DRAFT: 28. Nick Perry, DE, Southern Cal*: As had been anticipated, Perry enjoyed one of the Combine's most impressive all-around performances showing speed (4.64), strength (35 reps) and explosiveness (38.5"). He led the Pac-12 with 9.5 sacks in 2011 and may just be scratching the surface of his potential. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com

[Joemailman]

Gil Brandt had Jenkins at #71.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Perry > Upshaw

Good enough for me!

Agreed

[Bretsky]

did I nap through something? Is Green the DL coach now? Perry's too big to move to OLB, right?

I gotta think he's migrating to OLB; the scouting reports note a lot of teams saw him going to OLB in a 3-4 but he's better suited for a 4-3. It sucked that Merciles came off the board as IMO he would have been a better fit.

I'm with Lurker.....a bit skeptical but I'll trust TT.

[pbmax]

What was Perry's 10 yard split in his 40 yd dash? Anyone got it?

[mission]

So his tape is with his hand on the ground. He said he wants to play DE. Is everyone sure he will play OLB at 270?

He said he wanted to rush the passer and wouldn't mind 3-4 if that was his responsibility.

[woodbuck27]

I honestly didn't htink he was going to last

He fell a wee bit actually so many rose up over the last three weeks. I LOVE this pick by TT. This is a very strong athletic pick.

Nice going on this pick Mr. GM.

[Bretsky]

Here comes GM Jerry Genius

[Deputy Nutz]

I like the pick for the Packers. It fill a need, and he can put his hand down if need be, you could get him on the line of scrimmage in the Packers nickle package and take out Pickett

A lot you can do with Perry. He shows he can run, can he open up and get his ass into a zone? Probably.

If he can think through play action, and counter runs, he should be 1000% better than what the Packers have opposite of Mathews

[pbmax]

Peter King ‏ @SI_PeterKing
Claiborne thought it was a crank caller when Jerry Jones called.

Peter King Peter King ‏ @SI_PeterKing
Before 8:30 Eastern tonight, the Cowboys had no contact with Morris Claiborne in 2012. Not a call, not a visit, not a letter. Nothing.

[Bretsky]

haha; GM Jerry Genius got boned.
I think they were taking Martin; he kind of looks like Ray Rice coming out of college

Looks like GM Jerry is getting the top TE in the draft

[woodbuck27]

What was Perry's 10 yard split in his 40 yd dash? Anyone got it?

This is GREAT !

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/nick-perry?id=2533048

[Deputy Nutz]

Teams trading up got really good value for their picks

[Rastak]

Peter King ‏ @SI_PeterKing
Claiborne thought it was a crank caller when Jerry Jones called.

Peter King Peter King ‏ @SI_PeterKing
Before 8:30 Eastern tonight, the Cowboys had no contact with Morris Claiborne in 2012. Not a call, not a visit, not a letter. Nothing.

lol......nice pickup though

[Joemailman]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/doug-martin?id=2532899

OVERVIEW
Martin had 1,299 yards and 16 TDs in Boise State's electric offense in 2011. He has strong athletic ability, with outstanding footwork. He can make people miss in the open field and in tight spaces. He is an effective runner between the tackles and can burst through the lane. What stands out most about Martin is his decisiveness as a ball carrier; he often hits the hole hard. He is a natural with the ball in his hands and will bring value to an NFL team as a special teams player. Though ball security has been a concern in the past, Martin is an overall solid back and should expect to be selected in the second round.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Martin is a highly productive back with a polished all-around game. He looks and plays like a starting NFL back. He has a lot of experience and has been reliable closing out games for Boise State. He is careful with the ball and a very savvy runner between the tackles with the athletic ability to break it outside.
WEAKNESSES Martin is a very traditional back who is not extremely explosive. He is good in all facets, but some scouts will knock him for not being "outstanding" in any one particular area.

[pbmax]

T2 talking live soon.

[Freak Out]

Perry played against some good tackles and OLs in the PAC.

[woodbuck27]

This is GREAT !

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/nick-perry?id=2533048

and...

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#year=2012&workout=FORTY_YARD_DASH&position=DL

[Bretsky]

Where ??

[pbmax]

http://www.packers.com/2012-draft-livestream.html

[Rastak]

Good night guys, might see you tomorrow.....was fun as hell as always.....

[Harlan Huckleby]

did TT draft for need or pick best player available?

[pittstang5]

What was Perry's 10 yard split in his 40 yd dash? Anyone got it?

1.57

[woodbuck27]

What was Perry's 10 yard split in his 40 yd dash? Anyone got it?

The 6-foot-3, 271-pounder had a 1.57 10-yard split and a 4.64 in the 40-yard dash at the NFL scouting combine, a 38 1/2 inch vertical leap, 35 reps of 225 pounds, 10-4 broad jump, a 4.66 in the 20-yard shuttle and a 7.25 in the three-cone drill.

[pbmax]

They have NFLN running on the projector at the media center at the Stadium. Its just ran clips of Eli beating the Packers in the playoffs for an ad. Al Davis would not have allowed that to happen in his auditorium.

[pbmax]

1.57

Its not Matthews but it ain't bad at 270 freaking pounds.

[pbmax]

Good night guys, might see you tomorrow.....was fun as hell as always.....

See ya Ras, thanks for coming.

[gbgary]

Perry pick is fantastic. Solves the Packers number 1 problem.

i wouldn't say solves. it's going to take more than one guy to solve our number one problem. tt needs to keep at it.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The guys at NFP seem to like the Perry pick but not the Mercilus pick.

MERCILUS


National Football Post: Not a fan of this pick for the fact that Mercilus is too stiff to stand up and be overly effective rushing off the edge as a 3-4 linebacker. The Texans already have a solid pair of OLBs in Connor Barwin and Brooks Reed. Mercilus doesn't offer them much of an upgrade over either. NFL ceiling: Solid NFL contributing OLB. NFL floor: Never transitions to the rush linebacker position in 3-4.

PERRY


National Football Post: The Packers needed to improve their pass rush and Perry has the first step and explosion to reach the edge and create pressure from that spot. He's a little stiff-hipped, but knows how to use his hands to fight off contact and runs well sideline to sideline. He's good value for the Packers at the end of Round 1. NFL ceiling: 10-sack a year pass rusher. NFL floor: Never transitions cleanly to OLB and forced to catch on in a 4-3 front.

[HarveyWallbangers]

They don't like Harrison Smith.


National Football Post: The Vikings moved up and made a reach. Smith can be a solid safety, but I don't see an impact guy. He's tight in the hips, doesn't get up to speed quickly and will struggle to matchup in coverage at times. He's a "plus" tackler, but I think the Vikings paid way too much. NFL ceiling: Above-average starting safety. NFL floor: Top-tier reserve.

[pbmax]

They have NFLN running on the projector at the media center at the Stadium. Its just ran clips of Eli beating the Packers in the playoffs for an ad. Al Davis would not have allowed that to happen in his auditorium.

Oh Oh. Must be an oversight by the PR people. They are showing ESPN not NFLN.

[Guiness]

http://www.packers.com/2012-draft-livestream.html

Camera is live.

Interesting shot of the draft room there. TT at the head of the table, looks in control. MM sitting there slouched, that boy needs to do something about his posture!
Does TT not have a laptop? It would probably make sense for him to ask someone for info if he needed it, instead of looking for it himself. Kind of fits with the personality we think we know, as well.

[pack4to84]

Packers.com listing Perry as DE make me wonder if its going to Pickett Raji Perry. TT still looking for a OLB

[Joemailman]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/david-wilson?id=2533035

OVERVIEW
Wilson is an electrifying runner who opted to come out early after an incredible junior year in which he was named ACC Player of the Year. He truly runs with his own style, and it's obvious that he has a love for the game. He is a high-risk, high-reward player who loves to reverse field on the entire defense. He is a decorated track star who is a threat to the defense every time he touches the ball.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Wilson is extremely explosive and quick-twitched off the snap. He can quickly accelerate to top speed, and he makes the most of his small frame by lowering his pad level into hits. He is so explosive and generates such movement with his leg drive that he is capable of running over linebackers, but he prefers to use his agility to make guys miss in space. Wilson is just as electric working as a receiver out of the backfield or in the slot as he is as a ball carrier, and he could be used in a variety of alignments.
WEAKNESSES Wilson relied heavily on his athletic ability in college and runs with a very unconventional style that could get him in trouble at the next level. He will allow his pad level to get high when changing directions downfield, and he will get caught off guard with that style in the NFL. He isn't content with a 3-yard gain and will reverse field in an attempt to make a play out of nothing, another habit that won't end well in most cases. He needs to be more patient to let the plays and blocks come to him, rather than try to make everything happen on his own each time he gets the ball.

[Travbrew]

So if they meet at the QB is it a Matthews Perry?
http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4795258522635019&id=3fde619a5ca551bb9a162fe9e33749a8

[red]

Good night guys, might see you tomorrow.....was fun as hell as always.....

yup, good to see you again starger

[Bretsky]

I'd wet my pants if TT moved up and snatched Vinny Curry as well. Then he'd have two tweeners with intense pass rushing skills that da dominator can flip around

[King Friday]

Packers.com listing Perry as DE make me wonder if its going to Pickett Raji Perry. TT still looking for a OLB

Per Thompson...he's an OLB prospect. Perry was counted as a DE at the combine, I believe...which is probably why he's listed as a DE currently.

[Joemailman]

Packers.com listing Perry as DE make me wonder if its going to Pickett Raji Perry. TT still looking for a OLB

TT says Perry will play OLB.

[woodbuck27]

I wonder if MN would have traded with us ? Would you have moved back to pick up another 4th ?? Hmmmmm

I'm happy that TT stayed at #28 and he made a solid choice. Nick Perry is a strong DE and a fit for our 3-4 'D' scheme at OLB. He gives us flexibility.

[Guiness]

TT just confirmed that he will be playing standing up.

[pbmax]

He is an OLB to the Packers. Have video of his workouts in Cali with someone T2 knows and think he can transition.

[Bretsky]

TT is looking forward to getting Perry working with Kevin and Dom.......... OLB

[Bretsky]

KEVIN GREEN SPEAKING NOW; great speaker..he is stoked

[woodbuck27]

I'd wet my pants if TT moved up and snatched Vinny Curry as well. Then he'd have two tweeners with intense pass rushing skills that da dominator can flip around


That's just my hope B. TT would have to move up at least 14 spots to say #45. Would he outright release his Third Round Pick?

[gbgary]

bad dye job or toupee?

[Lurker64]

did TT draft for need or pick best player available?

Both. Perry was a top of the board value (BPA was Perry, Reyes, Fleener, or Hill) and plays a need position.

[woodbuck27]

That's just my hope B. TT would have to move up at least 14 spots to say #45. Would he outright release his Third Round Pick?

That move by TT would put defensive players like Lavonte David ;David Branch;Brandon Thompson and Kendall Reyes also in play.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Reading more about him, Perry is intriguing. He's 271 now, but put on 15-20 pounds in the last year or two. Should be able to play smaller. Good sign that his measurables were good even at 271. I didn't realize Lewis had severe mental deficiencies. I liked how he looked on the highlights.

This is what McGinn said about the OLBs before the draft.


It's doubtful the Packers would take Mercilus, Hightower or Curry because of fit. Mercilus and Curry are regarded more as 4-3 ends and Hightower has told teams he prefers to remain at inside linebacker.

Of the other seven, it would appear as if Perry and McClellin would have the most appeal to Green Bay.

Upshaw probably doesn't move well enough to do what the Packers need.

Widely admired by scouts for his toughness and potential, Vernon played just 30 games for Miami and is viewed more as a mid-second-round choice.

The speedy, undersized Irvin stands as a gigantic character risk and might turn out to be nothing more than a designated outside rusher.

Lewis has such mental deficiencies that he probably wouldn't even be considered before the third round.

Perry is bigger, faster, stronger and more athletic than McClellin, and as a result might have a slightly better chance to be taken ahead of McClellin.

[Joemailman]

Dom speaking. http://www.packers.com/2012-draft-livestream.html

[King Friday]

Capers like Perry's explosion. Pass rush ability is #1 factor for OLB in his defense. Everyone is very quick to mention his 4.5 something 40 time.

[pbmax]

bad dye job or toupee?

Toupee.

[woodbuck27]

did TT draft for need or pick best player available?


Clearly TT didn't go BPA. I count nine prospects 'still on the board' after the completion of Round One, with a higher grade than Nick Perry.

By the way that was the fastest Round One in history at 3:28.

[King Friday]

By the way that was the fastest Round One in history at 3:28.

I'm sure there had to be a few faster back when the NFL had 10 teams.

[woodbuck27]

Packers.com listing Perry as DE make me wonder if its going to Pickett Raji Perry. TT still looking for a OLB

He can play DE or in a 3-4 'D' scheme...OLB.

[King Friday]

Nick Perry interview on Packers.com now



Likes the "tradition" of Green Bay.

Happy to be playing with Clay again.

He is honest that he has work to do on dropping into coverage.

Feels comfortable at his current weight...but would be willing to drop some pounds if need be.

First thing that comes to mind when he thinks about Green Bay..."Super Bowls"

[Joemailman]

Clearly TT didn't go BPA. I count nine prospects 'still on the board' after the completion of Round One, with a higher grade than Nick Perry.



I'm pretty sure TT makes up his own grades.

[Bretsky]

Clearly TT didn't go BPA. I count nine prospects 'still on the board' after the completion of Round One, with a higher grade than Nick Perry.

By the way that was the fastest Round One in history at 3:28.


I'm not buying into that
Who are the 9 ? There are defintely not 9 I'd rate over Perry and IMO Perry has better value at 28 than Sherrod did last year. Not many top tier OLB's are left.

I could think of one perhaps but he's fallling hard for some reason. Often when a player falls hard something is not right

[Guiness]

CB J. Jenkins (Jankins?) didn't get drafted. Wonder how far he falls?

[Lurker64]

Clearly TT didn't go BPA. I count nine prospects 'still on the board' after the completion of Round One, with a higher grade than Nick Perry.

I don't. The only player I would consider a value push with Perry at #28 is Reyes. Only other players available at #28 with similar grades are Stephen Hill and Coby Fleener, and need is a component of value and neither TE nor WR is anything close to a need.

You might want to consider that TT's board doesn't resemble yours.

Fringe first rounders left after round 1 on my board: Brandon Thompson,Kendall Reyes, Jerel Worthy, Devon Still, Vinny Curry, Andre Branch, Courtney Upshaw, Zach Brown, Janoris Jenkins, Peter Konz, Cordy Glenn, Jonathan Martin, and Mike Adams, Coby Fleener in TE, Stephen Hill, Reuben Randle. Add Harrison, Zeitler, Martin, Wilson, and Jenkins to the mix and I like Perry more than everybody named, except Kendall Reyes (who is a push.)

[Scott Campbell]

I'm pretty sure TT makes up his own grades.


:lol:

Clearly.

[gbgary]

perry saying all the right things.

[Scott Campbell]

I don't. The only player I would consider a value push with Perry at #28 is Reyes. Only other players available at #28 with similar grades are Stephen Hill and Coby Fleener, and need is a component of value and neither TE nor WR is anything close to a need.

You might want to consider that TT's board doesn't resemble yours.



But Mel Kiper Jr. said.......................

:lol:

[denverYooper]

"What's the first thing of when you think of Green Bay? What's the first thing that comes to mind?"

Perry: "Superbowls"

[Scott Campbell]

Word association:

Green Bay/Superbowls.

Good answer!

[Joemailman]

perry saying all the right things.

Did he say he likes snow?

[King Friday]

Did he say he likes snow?

He is originally from Michigan...I think he can handle snow.

[Scott Campbell]

Seemed pretty well spoken.

[King Friday]

Seemed pretty well spoken.

Yes...he certainly came across as well educated and confident. I think he seemed slightly upset that he fell to the #28 pick...which I like. He's got a chip on his shoulder. He has bulked up because he wanted to be a DE and go after the QB. I love that about our new OLB...he's going to want to get after the QB and he has all the tools to do it once he gets coached up a little.

[gbgary]

Seemed pretty well spoken.

well...he DID go to college. :whist:

[Scott Campbell]

Yes...he certainly came across as well educated and confident. I think he seemed slightly upset that he fell to the #28 pick...which I like. He's got a chip on his shoulder. He has bulked up because he wanted to be a DE and go after the QB. I love that about our new OLB...he's going to want to get after the QB and he has all the tools to do it once he gets coached up a little.


Day 1 starter?

[HarveyWallbangers]

well...he DID go to college. :whist:

Did you ever hear Nick Collins interview after the draft? He went to college too. He improved a lot over the years.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Who are the top 3-4 DEs left?

[mission]

well...he DID go to college. :whist:

I think he actually graduated in 3 years. He seems to have a good mean streak after watching every YouTube video I could find. QBs go down hard, he doesn't really celebrate either. Looks focused.

[woodbuck27]

Who are the top 3-4 DEs left?

Hi Harvey. Maybe go here and have your own assessment:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/features/draftmachine/

[King Friday]

Day 1 starter?

No reason to expect otherwise at this point. He's vastly more talented physically than anyone else we have at OLB outside of Clay. With Capers and Greene coaching him up, I see no reason why he won't be a capable starting OLB against the 49ers week #1.

[Lurker64]

Who are the top 3-4 DEs left?

IMO, all top tier DEs are off the board (Cox, Coples, Brockers), but all second tier DEs (Reyes, Worthy, Still) are available. Third tier would be Wolfe, Winn, Crick, and Crawford. Then you start getting into projects. I'm not sure if Brandon Thompson can play the 5-tech position (like him better as a shade nose) but he would also be an option tomorrow if they wanted DL.

[pbmax]

In desperately important news, he will wear the #53 jersey. He and George Koonce and Paris Lenon.

[Scott Campbell]

That's enough champion building for me today. Catch you boys tomorrow.

[ND72]

I'm not buying into that
Who are the 9 ? There are defintely not 9 I'd rate over Perry and IMO Perry has better value at 28 than Sherrod did last year. Not many top tier OLB's are left.

I could think of one perhaps but he's fallling hard for some reason. Often when a player falls hard something is not right

Your board, not Ted Thompson board.

[ND72]

Well I like the pick. Perry was my guy until last week when I fell for that damn Bear McClellin. I like perry a lot, think he will be a great addition.

[King Friday]

Best 1st Rounds:

Vikings/Rams...both got some extra picks and filled some major needs with promising talent.
Indy/Wash...they got the elite studs in the draft, but both have a lot of work yet to do.
Dallas...I'm not a huge Claiborne fan, although I think he'll be a good player. However, the Cowboys didn't pay a lot to move up and get a guy they wouldn't have had a chance at later at a real need position for them.

Worst 1st rounds:

Browns...Weeden? Really? Makes no sense for a team that isn't poised to become a playoff contender for at least 3 more years to take a 28 year old QB. Also gave up too much to take a RB that they probably would've had staying put.
Seahawks...Irvin might have been an intriguing guy early in the 2nd round, but giving a relatively big payday and added pressure to a kid who has major issues with maturity and decision making doesn't bode well IMO.
Miami...at least their QB isn't 28, but it might take him until then to figure out what the hell is happening at the next level (especially with Sherman coaching him).

[Pugger]

Best 1st Rounds:

Vikings/Rams...both got some extra picks and filled some major needs with promising talent.
Indy/Wash...they got the elite studs in the draft, but both have a lot of work yet to do.
Dallas...I'm not a huge Claiborne fan, although I think he'll be a good player. However, the Cowboys didn't pay a lot to move up and get a guy they wouldn't have had a chance at later at a real need position for them.

Worst 1st rounds:

Browns...Weeden? Really? Makes no sense for a team that isn't poised to become a playoff contender for at least 3 more years to take a 28 year old QB. Also gave up too much to take a RB that they probably would've had staying put.
Seahawks...Irvin might have been an intriguing guy early in the 2nd round, but giving a relatively big payday and added pressure to a kid who has major issues with maturity and decision making doesn't bode well IMO.
Miami...at least their QB isn't 28, but it might take him until then to figure out what the hell is happening at the next level (especially with Sherman coaching him).

Of course Shermy was his coach at A & M...

[Joemailman]

Well I like the pick. Perry was my guy until last week when I fell for that damn Bear McClellin. I like perry a lot, think he will be a great addition.

McClellin in my opinion was a safer pick, but Perry may have more upside as a pass rusher.

[pbmax]

Almost a winner

https://p.twimg.com/ArdbXtoCQAEu_Dp.jpg

[RashanGary]

I didn't like Perry, but the last pick I didn't like was Matthews, so there ya go. He's going to be a star.

[MadtownPacker]

I didn't like Perry, but the last pick I didn't like was Matthews, so there ya go. He's going to be a star.
We could ruin it by changing your username to Perry.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Reading up on him more and watching more highlights, here are some thoughts:

1) I didn't love his "tape" primarily because he looked like a DE, and I questioned whether the transition to 3-4 OLB would be that easy. I saw more and better film since, and there are some plays where he drops into coverage, plays in space. Also, I'm encouraged by the fact that he bulked up 15-20 pounds to play DE. That tells me there's a chance he could lose 10-15 pounds and look less stiff in space.
2) I didn't realize his measurables were that good. It's encouraging that the guy can run and jump like that at 271 pounds.
3) I liked the tape where he lined up on the left side also. They might be able to utilize his versatility with Clay's versatility to take advantage of Clay's otherwordly ability.
4) I don't think he's a one trick pony--like some of the reports I read. I saw him use his hands quite well on some of the tape.
5) A negative is that I don't think he looks real good changing directions, and some of the plays he kind of has a pitter patter step once he gets around a tackle. He almost looks clumsy at times.

I'm on board--which was a given. He's more like Woodley than Clay, but the Steelers have often had a speed rusher on one side and more of a thumper on the other. I still would have preferred the kid out of Boise State. I'm not a big fan of Upshaw, so I'm not losing sleep over passing on him. If we can come out of the next two rounds with that next tier of 3-4 DE, I will be happy. A safety would be nice, but I guess we won a Super Bowl with Peprah as the starting safety, so it's not a critical position.

[Lurker64]

I think the best NFL comparison to Perry is Brian Orakpo. Pretty basically has the same size and athleticism as the Washington OLB, he just needs more refinement in his technique. But technique can be taught, whereas being big and athletic.

[pbmax]

Only negative I have is Prisco at CBS giving the pick a C and saying Perry looked soft at times. In some pictures, he looks almost chubby. Not sure the weight gain was good weight, or just could be bad photos. Not much to worry about so far.

[woodbuck27]

Well I like the pick. Perry was my guy until last week when I fell for that damn Bear McClellin. I like perry a lot, think he will be a great addition.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2012/DE

The Pats moved up from #27 to #21 to get **DE Chandler Jones. By sitting tight and picking a player rated slightly above ** I see it as TT doing very well picking DE Nick Perry. TT believes he will transition well or he wouldn't have selected this man to play opposite Clay Matthews.

[RashanGary]

Hargrove is a better pass rushing DE than we had all last year too. With Perry in the mix, we're going to get some pressure. Clay and Raji will get a lot more 1 on 1's.

[pbmax]

A perfect Cowboy:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/27/claiborne-says-he-completed-only-15-to-18-wonderlic-questions/

Claiborne says that he came to the Combine to work on football. Saw no football questions on the Wonderlic so he stopped after 15-18 questions. I think I saw this in Miracle on Ice too.

[Bretsky]

Out of all the OLB prospects I liked he was the one I liked the least. With that being said, I'm on board and am hoping we get a nice DL in round two. As I had noted and expected a OLB run occured in the 20's before our pick. Between our round two and three pick and three round four picks I'm hoping we take at least one more DL as well and if the right OLB falls I'll take another. You never have enough quality depth at those spots.

With that being said, I have a funny feeling a RB like Polk may be our second round pick.


P.S......Dear TT..............DRAFT RUSSSSSELL WILSON

[Bretsky]

JS TIDBIT WHEN DISCUSSING HOW THE DRAFT UNFOLDED
But Perry and Alabama's Courtney Upshaw both slipped all the way to the Packers and general manager Ted Thompson had to make a decision.

[packrulz]

Lots of good players left in round 2, I could see a DT like Crick or Wolfe: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/rob-rang/18849517/best-available-after-round-one

[gbgary]

Did you ever hear Nick Collins interview after the draft? He went to college too. He improved a lot over the years.

guess i used the wrong smilie. was joking.

[Deputy Nutz]

I am a big fan of Jared Crick, he would be a nice fit in Green Bay. Packers will most likely have to move up, and I think it wouldn't cost the Packers a whole lot to move up 10 to 15 picks in the second round to land a quality defensive linemen

[KYPack]

JS TIDBIT WHEN DISCUSSING HOW THE DRAFT UNFOLDED
But Perry and Alabama's Courtney Upshaw both slipped all the way to the Packers and general manager Ted Thompson had to make a decision.

Never thought Upshaw would slide. Him and Perry were both kind of all round guys. Good against the run, rush the QB guys. Everybody wants "the hammer" a rusher who can't be stopped.

Let's hope TT's board conquers all one more time.

[RashanGary]

I am a big fan of Jared Crick, he would be a nice fit in Green Bay. Packers will most likely have to move up, and I think it wouldn't cost the Packers a whole lot to move up 10 to 15 picks in the second round to land a quality defensive linemen


And now that we have a big boy behind that RDE we can afford to have a quicker, more pass rush oriented DE too. Crick is a big 4-3 DE. He's a small 3-4 DE. Just like Perry, he's kind of in, inbetween land.

Pass rushers have the highest correlation between athletic numbers (particularly explosion) and success. Perry was at or near the top of that list in this years draft. But he's a tweener. Maybe that's why he dropped. Waldo had a list of pass rushers over the last 5 years with numbers like Perry and something like 80% of them turn into 10 sack guys.

[Deputy Nutz]

I was pretty high on Upshaw a couple of months ago, and then I watch some film on him and all I could think was that he was as stiff as a board. He didn't move all that well, and their was very little explosion from the guy. Funny how all of a sudden all the scouts are saying the same thing about him. Really it is not that hard to go to youtube and watch some of these films and get an idea about a player. When I watched the film before the combine I couldn't believe some of the talking heads had him going in the top half of the first round. I thought Ingram was a better player than Upshaw, but he simply got by on being a better athlete than the guys he was going against. Teams are going to have to work on finding him a position and then working on actual pass rushing moves, and technique.

I liked Perry because he jumps off the ball, and crashes the line of scrimmage. Sure he isn't as fluid as a guy like Mathews, but as far as outside linebackers go I would have had Shea a head of him, and that is it. I really liked Perry at 28, I think if the Packers keep him motivated to improve he could be the steal of the draft on the defensive side of the ball.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I am a big fan of Jared Crick, he would be a nice fit in Green Bay. Packers will most likely have to move up, and I think it wouldn't cost the Packers a whole lot to move up 10 to 15 picks in the second round to land a quality defensive linemen

These guys are on board with you.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/04/second-round-mock-draft-stanford-reunion-in-indianapolis/1?csp=34sports&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UsatodaycomSports-TopStories+%28Sports+-+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo#.T5qYdqtYvng

And the think we can get him without trading up. Maybe you can go 2 for 2.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I was pretty high on Upshaw a couple of months ago, and then I watch some film on him and all I could think was that he was as stiff as a board. He didn't move all that well, and their was very little explosion from the guy. Funny how all of a sudden all the scouts are saying the same thing about him. Really it is not that hard to go to youtube and watch some of these films and get an idea about a player. When I watched the film before the combine I couldn't believe some of the talking heads had him going in the top half of the first round. I thought Ingram was a better player than Upshaw, but he simply got by on being a better athlete than the guys he was going against. Teams are going to have to work on finding him a position and then working on actual pass rushing moves, and technique.

I liked Perry because he jumps off the ball, and crashes the line of scrimmage. Sure he isn't as fluid as a guy like Mathews, but as far as outside linebackers go I would have had Shea a head of him, and that is it. I really liked Perry at 28, I think if the Packers keep him motivated to improve he could be the steal of the draft on the defensive side of the ball.

I had the same thoughts as you on Shea and Upshaw before the draft. I'm now with you on Perry. Well done sir, and please don't leave us.
:)

[Deputy Nutz]

I actually had the Packers taking Crick in the first round. I thought he was the best defensive end available but had a really tough year in 2011, and his stock has dropped. His test numbers are pretty good, and his film is good. I think he solidifies the Packes front seven.

On other news their isn't a Safety worth taking until round 3, and that is if your being nice.

[HarveyWallbangers]

This second day mock doesn't even have Crick going in round 2.

From what I've read Reyes and Crick sound like two ideal players for us. Are there any other 3-4 DEs that you'd be happy with in the 2nd round or 3rd round?

[Cheesehead Craig]

I was pretty high on Upshaw a couple of months ago, and then I watch some film on him and all I could think was that he was as stiff as a board. He didn't move all that well, and their was very little explosion from the guy. Funny how all of a sudden all the scouts are saying the same thing about him. Really it is not that hard to go to youtube and watch some of these films and get an idea about a player. When I watched the film before the combine I couldn't believe some of the talking heads had him going in the top half of the first round. I thought Ingram was a better player than Upshaw, but he simply got by on being a better athlete than the guys he was going against. Teams are going to have to work on finding him a position and then working on actual pass rushing moves, and technique.

I was thought the same of Upshaw, I thought he was overrated and really didn't want the Packers to pick him.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

We should trade and grab another pass rusher. Go get Vinny Curry!

[3irty1]

If Reyes falls down within striking distance I'd expect TT to go after him. There are plenty of good ones left though so perhaps its best to just sit and wait.

[mraynrand]

P.S......Dear TT..............DRAFT RUSSSSSELL WILSON

http://0.tqn.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/1/m/simp2006_HomerArmsCrossed_f.jpg

[Joemailman]

Where is McClelin going to play for the Bears? DE? OLB? God, I hate them. They picked him just for spite so TT couldn't have him. Bastards!

Look at the bright side. The Curse Of Bretsky is now on the Bears 1st round pick.

[pbmax]

Look at the bright side. The Curse Of Bretsky is now on the Bears 1st round pick.

Oh, forgot about it. Has Fritz ever said anything nice about Shea? If so, he is doomed.

[imscott72]

I am a big fan of Jared Crick, he would be a nice fit in Green Bay. Packers will most likely have to move up, and I think it wouldn't cost the Packers a whole lot to move up 10 to 15 picks in the second round to land a quality defensive linemen

I thought Crick was more 3rd round material? I wouldn't mind Jerel Worthy..

[pbmax]

We have a board disagreement about Crick. Nutz feels he has been unfairly discounted due to a troubled and injured last year. Lurker is concerned about his ability to stay on his feet. Thus, Nutz and Co. value him 1/2 round. Lurker et al. value him closer to the 3rd.

We might need Ziggy to break the tie. Or Harlan to commission a poll.

[woodbuck27]

We have a board disagreement about Crick. Nutz feels he has been unfairly discounted due to a troubled and injured last year. Lurker is concerned about his ability to stay on his feet. Thus, Nutz and Co. value him 1/2 round. Lurker et al. value him closer to the 3rd.

We might need Ziggy to break the tie. Or Harlan to commission a poll.

DE Jared Crick Grade 62 AND predicted to go late third - early fourth round Ranked at 133 Overall and position Rank at 15.

Now this draft site has him coming to some team alot sooner or ranked at 70 and as the 9th best DE.....

Predicted to go round 2-3 or one round earlier than the information I use.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2012/DE

He's a good watch.

Go Ted Thompson ! GO Packers !