1st Round trade details, what for what.

[Patler]

This is the best summary I could assemble of all trades involving first round picks in 2012. I apologize if there are any errors. I did not do a lot of checking, but I did try to follow through on all details from a number of different sources. I think this list it is reasonably accurate:


Rams traded 1/#2 to Redskins for 1/#6, 2/#37 and ‘Skins 1sts in 2013 & 2014

Vikings traded 1/#3 to Browns for 1/#4, 5/#139 and 7/#211

Bucs traded 1/#5 to Jags for 1/#7 and 4/#101

Rams traded 1/#6 to Cowboys for 1/#14 and 2/#45

Seahawks traded 1/#12 to Eagles for 1/#15, 4/#114 and 6/#172

Raiders traded 1/#17 to Bengals as part of deal for Carson Palmer

Bengals traded 1/#21 to Patriots for 1/#27 and 3/#93

Falcons traded 1/#22 to Browns as part of the 2011 trade to get Julio Jones

Broncos traded 1/#25 to Patriots for 1/#31 and 4/#126.

Saints traded 1/#27 to Patriots as part of a trade in 2011 draft. Patriots in turn traded this pick to the Bengals with 3/#93 to get 1/#21.

Ravens traded 1/#29 to Vikings for 2/#35 and 4/#98

Patriots traded 1/#31 and 4/#26 to Broncos for 1/#25. Broncos then traded 1/#31 to Bucs for 2/#36 and 4/#126

[Scott Campbell]

I was kinda hoping for a point value chart breakdown.

Are we getting spoiled here?

[Patler]

I was kinda hoping for a point value chart breakdown.

Are we getting spoiled here?

I'm working on that. Give me a chance!

[Scott Campbell]

I'm working on that. Give me a chance!


You da man!


I used to do that real time during the draft.

[sharpe1027]

I was kinda hoping for a point value chart breakdown.

Are we getting spoiled here?

How much does the point value chart really tell us now that the rookie salary cap is in place? It would seem that high 1st rounders would have a lot more value now that you don't have to sell your first born son to sign your shiny new QB.

[Scott Campbell]

How much does the point value chart really tell us now that the rookie salary cap is in place? It would seem that high 1st rounders would have a lot more value now that you don't have to sell your first born son to sign your shiny new QB.


True.

But it still establishes reference points for comparing deals from similar spots in the draft. And you can probably make year over year comparisons to validate that teams do in fact place higher value on the high draft picks now because they don't come with the boat anchor contracts.

[sharpe1027]

True.

But it still establishes reference points for comparing deals from similar spots in the draft. And you can probably make year over year comparisons to validate that teams do in fact place higher value on the high draft picks now because they don't come with the boat anchor contracts.

Certainly better than nothing. :)

[3irty1]

This is the best summary I could assemble of all trades involving first round picks in 2012. I apologize if there are any errors. I did not do a lot of checking, but I did try to follow through on all details from a number of different sources. I think this list it is reasonably accurate:


Rams traded 1/#2 to Redskins for 1/#6, 2/#37 and ‘Skins 1sts in 2013 & 2014 - 2600 for 3070

Vikings traded 1/#3 to Browns for 1/#4, 5/#139 and 7/#211 - 2200 for 1843.5

Bucs traded 1/#5 to Jags for 1/#7 and 4/#101 - 1700 for 1596

Rams traded 1/#6 to Cowboys for 1/#14 and 2/#45 - 1600 for 1550

Seahawks traded 1/#12 to Eagles for 1/#15, 4/#114 and 6/#172 - 1200 for 1138.6

Raiders traded 1/#17 to Bengals as part of deal for Carson Palmer - 950 for negative 10

Bengals traded 1/#21 to Patriots for 1/#27 and 3/#93 - 800 for 808

Falcons traded 1/#22 to Browns as part of the 2011 trade to get Julio Jones - 780 for Herschel Jones

Broncos traded 1/#25 to Patriots for 1/#31 and 4/#126. - 720 for 646

Saints traded 1/#27 to Patriots as part of a trade in 2011 draft. Patriots in turn traded this pick to the Bengals with 3/#93 to get 1/#21. - 808 for 800

Ravens traded 1/#29 to Vikings for 2/#35 and 4/#98 - 640 for 658

Patriots traded 1/#31 and 4/#26 to Broncos for 1/#25. Broncos then traded 1/#31 to Bucs for 2/#36 and 4/#126 - 650 for 720 and 600 for 586

If this chart is any good.

http://drafttek.com/tradechart.html

[Patler]

Decide for yourself:

Rams 1/#2 (2,600) to Redskins for 1/#6 (1,600), 2/#37 (530) and ‘Skins 1sts in 2013 (?) & 2014 (?)

Vikings 1/#3 (2,200) to Browns for 1/#4 (1,800), 5/#139 (36.5) and 7/#211 (7)

Bucs 1/#5 (1,700) to Jags for 1/#7 (1,500) and 4/#101 (96)

Rams 1/#6 (1,600) to Cowboys for 1/#14 (1,100) and 2/#45 (450)

Seahawks 1/#12 (1,200) to Eagles for 1/#15 (1,050), 4/#114 (66) & 6/#172 (22.6)

Raiders 1/#17 (950) to Bengals as part of deal for Carson Palmer

Bengals 1/#21 (800) to Patriots for 1/#27 (680) and 3/#93 (128)

Falcons 1/#22 (780) to Browns as part of the 2011 trade to get Julio Jones

Broncos 1/#25 (720) to Patriots for 1/#31 (600) and 4/#126 (46).

Saints 1/#27 (680) to Patriots as part of trade in last years draft. Patriots in turn traded this pick to the Bengals with 3/#93 to get 1/#21.

Ravens 1/#29 (640) to Vikings for 2/#35 (550) and 4/#98 (108)

Patriots #31 (600) and 4/#126 (46) to Broncos for 1/#25 (720). Broncos then traded 1/31 (600) to Bucs for 2/#36 (540) and 4/#126 (46).

[Patler]

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[3irty1]

I think the rookie pay scale and a weird draft class that doesn't have many players deserving of a mid-first round draft pick messed up the chart.

[Patler]

Vikings 1/#3 (2,200) to Browns for 1/#4 (1,800), 5/#139 (36.5) and 7/#211 (7)

Funny, when you just apply the numbers, the Vikings don't look to have gotten such a steal.
When you apply some rational analysis, they traded down one spot, still got the player they intended to draft anyway, and picked up two extra draft picks. They are getting two picks for nothing.

[MadScientist]

Decide for yourself:
Vikings 1/#3 (2,200) to Browns for 1/#4 (1,800), 5/#139 (36.5) and 7/#211 (7)

Vikings also got #4/118 from the Browns (58pts) so the Vikings got 1901.5. Technically not getting full value, but realistically getting a 4, 5, and 7 and still getting the guy they would have taken, which is a great value in my book.

[Patler]

Vikings also got #4/118 from the Browns (58pts) so the Vikings got 1901.5. Technically not getting full value, but realistically getting a 4, 5, and 7 and still getting the guy they would have taken, which is a great value in my book.

Are you sure about the fourth round pick? One site I looked at it listed the 4th round pick, two did not.

[woodbuck27]

This is the best summary I could assemble of all trades involving first round picks in 2012. I apologize if there are any errors. I did not do a lot of checking, but I did try to follow through on all details from a number of different sources. I think this list it is reasonably accurate:


Vikings traded 1/#3 to Browns for 1/#4, 5/#139 and 7/#211

I apologize if there are any errors. I did not do a lot of checking, but I did try to follow through on all details from a number of different sources. I think this list it is reasonably accurate:


"Vikings traded 1/#3 to Browns for 1/#4, 5/#139 and 7/#211" Patler

woodbuck27: plus a 4th Rd at #118.

Yes Vikings pull off the deal of the century in the NFL.

Mike Holmgren and his 'the telephone call' went something like this:

Hi this is Mike Holmgren.... how's she going...just wondering........ahhh... say...

want ... three picks from 'the BROWNS' for ahhh... the right for us to pick RB Trent Richardson ahhh... before your pick of Matt Kalil .... ahhh.

Minny said ...

I...I...I ...well ahhhhh I ...I ...I ..just a few sexonds (whispering heard by Mike Holmgren) ahhhn yea Mike sure....guess so...well ahhh .... let me think,...well uhh...are ahhhh... you serious...you are !!! Well then...ahhhh ugghhh Ooooo Kaaa ....seems duh ahhhhh ..fair ahhh .... to us ...sure we'll do that for yaa Mike."


Times when you want to be 'the fly on the wall'. Precious moments in Pro Sports history. What a gas.

[Guiness]

Bengals traded 1/#21 to Patriots for 1/#27 and 3/#93 - 800 for 808

I thought NE got a good deal to move up 6 spots for the cost of a late 3rd, but the chart says that's pretty even.

[Patler]

Vikings also got #4/118 from the Browns (58pts) so the Vikings got 1901.5. Technically not getting full value, but realistically getting a 4, 5, and 7 and still getting the guy they would have taken, which is a great value in my book.


Are you sure about the fourth round pick? One site I looked at it listed the 4th round pick, two did not.

That must be correct, because nfl.com lists 4/118 - "Vikings (From Falcons though Browns)"

[pbmax]

Funny, when you just apply the numbers, the Vikings don't look to have gotten such a steal.
When you apply some rational analysis, they traded down one spot, still got the player they intended to draft anyway, and picked up two extra draft picks. They are getting two picks for nothing.

I agree with this analysis rather than the value chart because there was no risk of moving away from the higher pick (at least in retrospect).

The picks in later years can be valued one round lower for each year out and unless you have a strong feeling how the Redskins will perform, just make it the middle pick of 16th or 17th.

[Patler]

The picks in later years can be valued one round lower for each year out and unless you have a strong feeling how the Redskins will perform, just make it the middle pick of 16th or 17th.

Ya, that's what they usually do, #16 one round later, but that is speculative enough that I prefer "(?)"! :grin:

[woodbuck27]

Are you sure about the fourth round pick? One site I looked at it listed the 4th round pick, two did not.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7859778/minnesota-vikings-push-all-right-buttons-day-1

Vikings general manager Rick Spielman proved to be the shrewdest among the wheelers and dealers. He was able to get three additional picks from the Cleveland Browns (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/cle/cleveland-browns) and still get the player the Vikings wanted -- left tackle Matt Kalil (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28826/matt-kalil).

[Freak Out]

How much of a football god does RG3 have to become to make that trade look good? One SB?

[MadScientist]

How much of a football god does RG3 have to become to make that trade look good? One SB?
Either 1 SB (and several years in the hunt) or a HOF career. I wouldn't fault the skins if he has a Dan Marino, Jim Kelly or Fran Tarkenton career. If he bombs, Ryan Leaf no longer becomes the worst draft trade-up pick.