"HAYWARD and WORTHY...WHAT THE SCOUTS SAY"

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/scouts-have-praise-with-reservations-for-round-2-packers-picks-u656jue-149336965.html

[mraynrand]

This is worth watching. Worthy's awareness improved quite a lot over his college career. Earlier game against WI, he had his head down a lot and missed the RB a lot. He can beat a single block routinely. I like how quick he is and how he gets hands off him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RmnbaMcdmI&feature=related

[Bretsky]

should be interest; I'm on board..however...in the past TT has drafted a lot of high motor guys

Worthy, it appears, won't be mistaken for that by anybody up to this point

[3irty1]

Combine Results
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6021
Weight: 308
40 Yrd Dash: 5.08
Vertical Jump: 28 1/2
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.56
3-Cone Drill: 7.60

Pro Day Results
Dates: 03/14/12
Height: 6021
Weight: 308
40 Yrd Dash: 5.06
20 Yrd Dash: 2.85
10 Yrd Dash: 1.77
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 28


A thickly built defensive tackle with a long set of arms and thicker lower half. Displays only average flexibility when asked to coil up into his stance and at times seems to tire and struggles to really sit in. Exhibits above-average snap awareness. Is a savvy player who can time up the snap count well, routinely is one of the first lineman moving off the snap and is a consistently threat to knife his way into the backfield. He also displays a "plus" first step. Showcases the burst to initially gain a step off the ball between the B or C gap, keep his pad level down as a linear rusher and create havoc inside. Showcases some niftiness with his length/hands, knows how to work a sudden arm over in order to keep himself clean inside, still has yet to develop a rip, but can use his hands to slip on contact. As a pass rusher, if he doesn't win with his first step he does exhibit some niftiness laterally, but tends to pop upright initially in order to try to laterally slip blocks and when he gets caught struggles to create a push or fend through contact. Can initially gain some leverage on his bull rush. However, he lets his pad level rise through contact causing him to struggle with balance, which negates his quickness to shed. Once a defender gets their hands on him, he has a tough time freeing himself.

As a run defender, again has the ability to knife his way into the backfield and stop plays before they start. Showcases good awareness on perimeter runs, can shoot his way through the C-gap, work his legs through contact and get up the field. However, is a bit tight hipped and will struggle to breakdown consistently on contact. Also, doesn't do a great job really sitting into his stance when asked to anchor inside. When he sees the double team tends to lock his legs out and try to anchor his feet, instead of dropping his pad level. Is a naturally strong kid, but lacks balance inside vs. the double team and too often ends up on the ground because of lacking balance. Can be a playmaker though at times with his combination of ball awareness, first step and suddenness to slip and get into the backfield. However, is more of a hit or miss guy who flashes one play and is invisible the next.

Impression: A talented kid with a thick frame, "plus" get off burst and snap awareness to his game. However, doesn't shed blocks well when engaged and lacks ideal anchor ability inside. Looks like a one-gap type lineman only who could give solid reps at both nose and three-technique in a 43 front. But is going to need some time before he's ready to start.


Overview
He didn't do himself any favors with a mediocre performance at a Combine filled with talented defensive tackles. But in games, where it counts, Worthy is the definition of the word load. He demands immediate and constant attention by blockers or he can ruin an offense, and pretty much did exactly that as he earned All-American honors last season. Worthy anchored a Spartans defense that led the Big Ten in rushing defense (100.5 yards per game), total defense (277.4 ypg) and sacks (45). Worthy explodes off the line at the snap and quickly uses his strong hands and unusual overall power to maintain an advantage. Little wonder he had at least one tackle for a loss in nine of 14
games last season. He said his decision to enter the draft as an underclassman was partly because his father suffered a stroke in 2010 and he wants to offer financial support for the family.
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Analysis
Pass rush: May not put up huge sack numbers, but is a constant thorn in a quarterback's side in pass rush situations. Swims past lesser linemen with a shake and quick, violent hands. Closes on the passer in a hurry once free. Will sometimes line up a half-yard off the line to give himself room to make his move. Does not split doubles regularly or have a great bull rush, often giving up after initial contact. Run defense: Packs power and has quick feet to handle one or two-gap run defense responsibilities in the box. Tough to move, stands up blockers when anchoring against the run. Brings down backs from behind within the box and straight up the middle, but does
not regularly chase plays downfield or towards the sideline. Spins off blocks but doesn't have elite change of direction to reach quicker backs going through the hole once he's left it. Gets caught up in his man chest at times, failing to get off to make a play. Quick backs elude him easily in the hole. Avoids cut tackles to stay upright, but lacks quick acceleration to get into plays away from him. Explosion: Impressive explosiveness off the snap, shocks his man with a strong initial punch and can also out-quick him to get into the backfield. Quick to get low, create a pile in goal lone situations. Gets too worried about contact or penetrating a gap that sometimes forgets to find the ball. Strength: Already excelling in this area, should get even stronger in a pro strength and conditioning program. Strong hands allow him to shed lineman in either direction to catch backs coming into his area; consistency in using them could be improved, however. Once he gets a guard on skates, puts them into the quarterback. Takes his man backwards when slanting, also effective occupying two men on twists to free up the end. Tackling: Limited area of coverage results average tackle numbers for the position. Swallows up ballcarriers in the box with length and superior upper-body strength, though, leading teams to stay away from inside runs. Closes well on quarterbacks and running backs in the backfield and rarely gets go of ballcarriers once making contact. Has enough agility and athleticism to grab backs from behind after a strong swim move. Intangibles: His stamina and conditioning will be a concern for scouts unless improvements are made. Vocal on and off the field; points out potential hot receivers and run plays to teammates before the snap, something you don't see many interior linemen do. --Chad Reuter


OVERALL FOOTBALL TRAITS
Production 1 "2008: Redshirt. 2009: (13/11) - 37-9-4.5 2010: (13/13) - 40-8-4 2011: (14/14) -- 31-10.5-3.5 Career (2009-'11) - 1 FR, 6 PBU, 3 Blocked kicks. Career (2009-'11) - 1 FR, 6 PBU, 3 Blocked kicks."
Height-Weight-Speed 3 "Average blend of height and bulk. Arm length (33') and hand size (9.3') are less than ideal. Possesses above-average, top-end speed and lateral agility. "
Durability 3 "Has played in every game of his collegiate career and started all but two of those games. However, hyper-extended his knee in 2010 Illinois game. Missed 2010 spring practices with a shoulder injury. Tore an ACL in high school."
Intangibles 2 Winner of Michigan State's Outstanding Underclass Lineman Award for defense in 2010 and 2011. Named game captain for 2010 Minnesota game and again against Nebraska in 2011. Hard worker.
1 = EXCEPTIONAL2 = ABOVE AVERAGE3 = AVERAGE4 = BELOW AVERAGE5 = MARGINAL
DEFENSIVE TACKLE SPECIFIC TRAITS
Versus the Run 2 "Displays very good snap anticipation and first step quickness. Is most effective when on the move and allowed to create a disruption up the field. Point-of- attack skills are inconsistent. Can anchor against most one-on-one blocks when he maintains leverage, but is too inconsistent in that department. Lacks an elite anchor against double-teams and can get folded to the ground on occasion. Will struggle if asked to consistently two-gap at the next level. Plays fairly under control and flashes ability to redirect and fall back into play when initially washed down the line of scrimmage. Protects feet well against cut blocks. "
Pass Rush Skills 3 "Flashes very good first-step quickness and most disruptive when able to gain initial position. Also shows quick hands and an effective club to swim move. However, if he doesn't win with first few steps, he's rarely going to recover. Often comes off the ball too high and does not have elite power as bull-rusher to consistently collapse the pocket. Shows good awareness to get hands up in throwing lanes when he recognizes QB beginning his throwing motion. "
Quickness (hands/feet) 2 "Possesses very good first-step quickness to establish initial positioning. Also displays quick hands to swim. Still developing rip and club moves, but has enough quickness to improve. Flashes ability to quickly redirect and finish play after creating initial penetration in the backfield. "
Toughness/Motor 3 "Effort and motor can run hot and cold. 2011 film study was inconsistent. Looks like two different players versus Wisconsin (best game) and versus Michigan (arguably his worst). Will occasionally give second effort to get back involved in play, but would like to see it with more consistency. "
1 = EXCEPTIONAL2 = ABOVE AVERAGE3 = AVERAGE4 = BELOW AVERAGE5 = MARGINAL

What I think:
Great value pick in the draft. In combo with Perry our defense starts to look like a completely different one. The Defensive end position might go from an area of weakness to one of the toughest places to make the team.

I don't expect Worthy to be more than a rotational guy in the 3-4 but by the end of the year he should be stealing a good amount of snaps from Hargrove and Wynn as a pass rusher in the 2-4. We'll squeeze every ounce of passion he has in this fit by using him as a rotational player. He'll be fighting for playing time.

[3irty1]

Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 5113
Weight: 192
40 Yrd Dash: 4.57
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 19
Vertical Jump: 34
Broad Jump: 09'11"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.90
3-Cone Drill: 6.76 Holy Shit!


Possesses good height and a thin build, but has the frame to add additional girth without losing much athleticism. Displays a natural feel for the pass game in zone coverage. Keeps his head on a swivel, feels routes develop around him and displays the fluidity in his hips to quickly open up and make a play on the football. Is at his best in off coverage where he can sit in routes, read and react, and can simply undercut throws. Displays some natural click and close ability when driving on passes in front of him. However, gets too upright in his drop, doesn't consistently keep his base under him and wastes too much motion out of his breaks. Not as clean as he could be driving on the football. Picked off 6 passes last year and recorded 17 passes defended. But displays only slightly above-average ball skills. Will leave some picks on the field and I don't think his ball skills are quite as good as his stats make them out to be. Needs to do a better job catching the football more consistently.

Not real comfortable in man coverage at this stage however. Lacks great straight-line speed and doesn't seem to trust himself on an island. When he plays closer to the line likes to prematurely open up his hips in order to keep receivers from quickly getting behind him, will give up routine separation underneath. Gets upright when asked to turn and run, doesn't possess the type of second gear to quickly get back up to speed and can easily be taken advantage of by vertical speed. Gets leggy out of his breaks as well trying to re-direct because of his high pad level.

He does locate the football well in all areas of the game, possess good balance when asked to adjust to the throw and possesses the coordination to make a play at the highest point. Is only an average drag down tackler, and lacks pop into contact but takes good angles toward the football and gives an honest effort.

Impression: A smart, productive corner who can consistently make plays on the football. He's not a guy who will consistently hold up in man on the outside in the NFL. However, he's shown the ability to routinely get early jumps on the football and come down with the catch. Looks like one of the safer prospects in the draft as a cover two type guy.


Overview
Hayward was a two-star receiver/cornerback recruit out of high school, choosing Vanderbilt over Troy. He played in every game as a true freshman in 2008, recording 8 tackles, 3 pass break-ups and 1 forced fumble. Hayward became a starting cornerback in 2009 as a sophomore (12 starts), finishing with 58 tackles, 8.5 tackles for loss, seven pass breakups and two interceptions. He again started all 12 games in 2010 as a junior, recording 70 tackles, 2.0 tackles for loss, 11 pass breakups, one forced fumble and six interceptions, earning Second Team All-SEC honors. Hayward started all 13 games in 2011 as a senior, finishing with 62 tackles, 7.5 tackles for loss, 10 pass breakups and a career-best seven interceptions (second
in the SEC), earning second-team All-SEC honors. Hayward was a hidden recruiting gem for Vanderbilt, starting all 37 games the past three years, and was very productive in college, collecting 15 pick-offs over his career. He is a very average athlete with ordinary speed and looks out of his element when flipping his hips in order to stay with receivers downfield -- obviously most comfortable in off-man coverage where he can face the action. Hayward plays more like a free safety, struggling to find the ball and make a play after he's turned around and is ideally suited for a zone scheme where he can use his eyes and anticipation. He will be graded differently by every team depending on the scheme and he has NFL potential in the right defense, but teams know what they're getting with him.
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Analysis
Strengths: A coordinated athlete with good footwork and balance. Heady cover player with above-average feel and anticipation in space. Trusts his eyes with very good awareness. Has very good reaction skills to break quickly on the ball. Savvy cover skills to recognize and anticipate routes, understanding what the offense wants to do. Has terrific ball skills with the focus and hands to secure interceptions in traffic. Very opportunistic with 15 career picks the last three years. Tough and aggressive to hold up against the run and work off blocks. Smart, aware and confident and has started every game the past three seasons at Vanderbilt (37 consecutive starts). Weaknesses: Has only average height and length (30-inch arms) with a slender frame
and lean muscle definition. Lacks top-shelf speed and doesn't have great acceleration. Doesn't have elite fluidity and struggles to recover after false steps. Lacks explosion in his transition with upright technique and has inconsistent backpedal, opening his hips prematurely to guard against vertical routes. Doesn't look natural in reverse and needs to keep the play in front of him to be effective. Lacks ideal strength and will be out-muscled by receivers. Inconsistent against the run and needs to improve his tackling fundamentals in order to finish. Too physical and hands-on in coverage, arriving early and attracting pass interference penalties. Lacks much experience in press coverage and appears scheme specific at the next level. NFL Comparison: Jacob Lacey, Indianapolis Colts --By Dane Brugler


OVERALL FOOTBALL TRAITS
Production 2 "2008: (13/0) -- 5 2009: (12/12) -- 58-7-2 2010: (12/12) -- 70-11-6 Career: 19 TFL -- 2FF "
Height-Weight-Speed 3 "Average blend of height, weight and top-end speed. However, has excellent short-area quickness that matches up on tape with his short-shuttle (3.90) and 3-cone (6.76) times at the Combine. Possesses short arms (30 1/4) and average hand size (9). "
Durability 2 Missed the bulk of two games in 2009 with migraines.
Intangibles 2 Named team's most valuable defensive back following 2009 season. Has experience covering kicks and running the ball on offense. Played quarterback in high school. Flagged for personal foul in the first quarter of the 2011 Arkansas game but there's a lot to like about his aggressiveness and tenacity.
1 = EXCEPTIONAL2 = ABOVE AVERAGE3 = AVERAGE4 = BELOW AVERAGE5 = MARGINAL
CORNERBACK SPECIFIC TRAITS
Instincts/Recognition 1 Reads receivers and quarterback. Above average route-recognition skills and can get an early break on the ball. Above average discipline and plays the ball not the man in zone coverage. Splits high-low routes. Rarely takes the bait and drifts out of position. Appears comfortable in the slot and on the outside.
Cover Skills 3 Can turn and run with receivers but doesn't always extend arms and stab receivers when asked to press. Can get knocked off-balance when receivers are able to get to his frame. Fluidity is just average and can lose footing when forced to change directions quickly. More effective in zone than is matching up in man. Plants back foot and shows above average closing speed when facing the line of scrimmage.
Ball Skills 2 Can reach in with left arm and knock the ball down without getting flagged for pass interference. Aggressive and attacks the ball when it's in the air. Has been a playmaker in terms of production but interceptions have been a product of positioning more than ball skills. Traps ball against frame and drops too many passes that should pick off. Multiple drops in the 2011 Arkansas game.
Run Support 2 Average size and can take too long to get off blocks but not for lack of effort. Plays with a chip on shoulder. Not a big hitter but plays under control and breaks down into sound position. Can cut the legs out from under bigger ball carrier. Not afraid to mix it up with offensive linemen and can cut their legs out from under them.
1 = EXCEPTIONAL2 = ABOVE AVERAGE3 = AVERAGE4 = BELOW AVERAGE5 = MARGINAL

My take:
Like the pick but don't love it. TT broke a record today, drafting his first ever corner to run over a 4.5. Hayward gives us a little different look from our other corners. For one he excels in off-coverage where as everyone else on the Packers except Chuck are miserable at it. Those agility numbers are elite for a guy this size, given his draft position I think we can expect him to steal Jarrett Bush's job on defense, playing the slot in dime and in relief of Woodson. If he does well there, Chuck just might have to move to safety to keep the best 11 on the field. Hayward seems like that corner that you want to keep near the line. He led the nation in TFL's for the last 3 years among cornerbacks.

[Bretsky]

just a thought; he gives Chuck the opportunity to roam....blitz....make the plays we want Chuck to make...blitzing...jumping routes

He seems like a great guy with a motor. Gotta like this pick

[RashanGary]

It's going to take all of our picks time to adjust to the next level. But. . . . . . . Right now, out of the gate, there are things each of them can do from day one. Perry is fast and explosive. He can threaten the edge from day one. Worthy is slipperier than a pig in shit. He can come in during passing situations and shoot a gap. The CB, according to Darren Perry, is extremely bright, knows how to use his help, understand what the offense is trying to do and is a ball hawk. From day one I'm betting he's better depth than we've had in a while and protects us a little from injury. He sounds like a guy who can play right away or darn near it anyway.

[3irty1]

It's going to take all of our picks time to adjust to the next level. But. . . . . . . Right now, out of the gate, there are things each of them can do from day one. Perry is fast and explosive. He can threaten the edge from day one. Worthy is slipperier than a pig in shit. He can come in during passing situations and shoot a gap. The CB, according to Darren Perry, is extremely bright, knows how to use his help, understand what the offense is trying to do and is a ball hawk. From day one I'm betting he's better depth than we've had in a while and protects us a little from injury. He sounds like a guy who can play right away or darn near it anyway.

I agree with you. They seem to be targeting role players who can develop into great all-around players in the next few seasons. All of them excel in some area right now.

[RashanGary]

I agree with you. They seem to be targeting role players who can develop into great all-around players in the next few seasons. All of them excel in some area right now.


One thing is for certain, there will be come lapses from each of these players. But another thing is for certain. . . . We added talent and there will be moments where we get to the QB when it matters most. We couldn't do that last year. And since our passing game is so strong, and our ST's so good all of a sudden, teams are going to have to pass a lot.

With Worthy and Perry we have ourselves a couple of one trick ponies, at least initially. But that one trick is going to be the trick we need to keep teams from matching points. And it's the same trick that can lead to a critical stop at the end of a playoff game to advance to the next round or even to champion status.

We have talent at areas of great need. It feels good. Day 3 is largely uneventful for me because I'm in "right now" mode and "right now" we have three guys who can help us where we need it most from day 1. The rest of these guys are going to be developmental players unless we get incredibly lucky.

[3irty1]

One thing is for certain, there will be come lapses from each of these players. But another thing is for certain. . . . We added talent and there will be moments where we get to the QB when it matters most. We couldn't do that last year. And since our passing game is so strong, and our ST's so good all of a sudden, teams are going to have to pass a lot.

With Worthy and Perry we have ourselves a couple of one trick ponies, at least initially. But that one trick is going to be the trick we need to keep teams from matching points. And it's the same trick that can lead to a critical stop at the end of a playoff game to advance to the next round or even to champion status.

We have talent at areas of great need. It feels good. Day 3 is largely uneventful for me because I'm in "right now" mode and "right now" we have three guys who can help us where we need it most from day 1. The rest of these guys are going to be developmental players unless we get incredibly lucky.

This is the most exciting day for me. Even if the Packers didn't add a soul in the first 3 rounds, they were going to make it to the Playoffs with what they've got. During any season there are injuries and some of our spots are still thin enough that these rookies often make the difference. Everybody finds good players in the top rounds, hitting on the late guys is how we got where we are and is how we can become a dynasty.

[Fritz]

I was very excited by the Worthy pick. However, now that it's clear that TT had to make a choice between Still and Worthy, it will be interesting to follow both careers and see which player becomes the better one.

I have to say though, when reading the scouting reports, that the Worthy pick is puzzling. It sounds like the Packers play a scheme in which defensive linemen eat up blockers to free up linebackers, yet Worthy sounds like the other type of lineman - the one-gap type, I think it's called. He can get penetration. So why pick that guy, who fits that scheme, when Still (who is longer and bigger) would seem a better fit for that space-eating defensive end thing? I'm confused. Anyone help me understand?

The reports on the corner they took are kind of depressing. For a second round pick, don't you want a guy who is more athletic? This dude seems like a part-time, role player - smart and all, but limited in ability. Why take that kind of player with a second round pick? But I am trying to be optimistic, and imagine him to be like Al Harris, who people said was not all that athletic or fast. Can anyone who has scouted these corners deeply help me feel better about this pick?

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm not enamored with Hayward. I like to take better athletes with high picks. I like the Perry pick, and I love the Worthy pick.

[King Friday]

I have to say though, when reading the scouting reports, that the Worthy pick is puzzling. It sounds like the Packers play a scheme in which defensive linemen eat up blockers to free up linebackers, yet Worthy sounds like the other type of lineman - the one-gap type, I think it's called. He can get penetration. So why pick that guy, who fits that scheme, when Still (who is longer and bigger) would seem a better fit for that space-eating defensive end thing? I'm confused. Anyone help me understand?

Worthy is not going to be a penetrating lineman at the next level IMO, although he has the quickness to penetrate when given the opportunity.

On Heyward...first off, the guy held his own against SEC WRs. I don't see how you can say he's going to be limited in ability when he was a very good college CB against the top tier WR talent. Secondly, he's plenty athletic enough...his 3 cone and shuttle times shows outstanding quickness, even if he doesn't possess elite top end speed. To me, quickness always trumps top end speed...because how often are you running full out at 100%? Having the quickness to recover on change of direction and break on a thrown ball is far more important to making plays. The fact he has above average intelligence (he went to Vandy) also interests me. Vandy also isn't going to have the greatest coaching staff in the NCAA...so I think this kid is going to learn a ton from our coaches and players.

To me, any DB you take should have very good ball skills if you want them to have a chance to become a very good player at the next level...plus it allows you to plug them in anywhere at DB to see where they fit best. That is where Hayward excels. Most things I've read said he has the best ball skills of anyone outside of top two CBs. He's may never become a great shutdown corner...but this draft was devoid of those kind of guys. He held his own in college against SEC WRs, which speaks for itself. If he can't make it at CB, I think this kid could potentially transition to safety with ease.

[Upnorth]

I was very excited by the Worthy pick. However, now that it's clear that TT had to make a choice between Still and Worthy, it will be interesting to follow both careers and see which player becomes the better one.

I have to say though, when reading the scouting reports, that the Worthy pick is puzzling. It sounds like the Packers play a scheme in which defensive linemen eat up blockers to free up linebackers, yet Worthy sounds like the other type of lineman - the one-gap type, I think it's called. He can get penetration. So why pick that guy, who fits that scheme, when Still (who is longer and bigger) would seem a better fit for that space-eating defensive end thing? I'm confused. Anyone help me understand?

The reports on the corner they took are kind of depressing. For a second round pick, don't you want a guy who is more athletic? This dude seems like a part-time, role player - smart and all, but limited in ability. Why take that kind of player with a second round pick? But I am trying to be optimistic, and imagine him to be like Al Harris, who people said was not all that athletic or fast. Can anyone who has scouted these corners deeply help me feel better about this pick?

Re the new cb if Sheilds can overcome his sophmore slump Haywood will not need as much speed as he will not be covering the fast wr's that our other two cb's will. He will be used to get the mid routes which is his skill set.

[KYPack]

I was very excited by the Worthy pick. However, now that it's clear that TT had to make a choice between Still and Worthy, it will be interesting to follow both careers and see which player becomes the better one.

I have to say though, when reading the scouting reports, that the Worthy pick is puzzling. It sounds like the Packers play a scheme in which defensive linemen eat up blockers to free up linebackers, yet Worthy sounds like the other type of lineman - the one-gap type, I think it's called. He can get penetration. So why pick that guy, who fits that scheme, when Still (who is longer and bigger) would seem a better fit for that space-eating defensive end thing? I'm confused. Anyone help me understand?

The reports on the corner they took are kind of depressing. For a second round pick, don't you want a guy who is more athletic? This dude seems like a part-time, role player - smart and all, but limited in ability. Why take that kind of player with a second round pick? But I am trying to be optimistic, and imagine him to be like Al Harris, who people said was not all that athletic or fast. Can anyone who has scouted these corners deeply help me feel better about this pick?

The DE's in Capers scheme do both things, Fritz. They one gap more than they read. When they are in an Okie (a LB stacked behind them in an read position) they eat up space for the LB. Worthy is a gap shooter with a good jump, but they also feel he's quick and will develop the read function he needs in an Okie alignment.

I hope they are right. The 3 stooges at RDE did a piss poor job of both assignments last year.

[Scott Campbell]

Re the new cb if Sheilds can overcome his sophmore slump Haywood will not need as much speed as he will not be covering the fast wr's that our other two cb's will. He will be used to get the mid routes which is his skill set.


Al Harris was never very fast. It's not all about the 40 time.

[pbmax]

There was another 3rd round CB the Packers got without elite speed named McKenzie and he was doing quite well (Milli and Vanilli) until his injury.

Pete Dougherty made a point about big DTs being scouted. Almost everyone has a scouting report that says he takes plays off. Even Mike Neal had that reputation. Now we just wish Mike Neal would take a day off from the weight room.

I think the role playing idea is correct. These might be some of Thompson's most need picks. The thing the first two can do well without question is be quick and get pressure.

[Fosco33]

Anyone concerned about the scouts saying Worthy can't shed a block, is lazy and not trustworthy?

[KYPack]

Anyone concerned about the scouts saying Worthy can't shed a block, is lazy and not trustworthy?

Sounds like he'll fit right in with our current crew at RDE, Fos!

That makes the kid a team player.

[Freak Out]

Anyone concerned about the scouts saying Worthy can't shed a block, is lazy and not trustworthy?

Ya.....not a whole lot of praise for his work ethic. Obviously TT and the crew think they can coach and motivate the guy but we'll see I guess.

[Scott Campbell]

Anyone concerned about the scouts saying Worthy can't shed a block, is lazy and not trustworthy?



Those are the warts that made him available to us in the 2nd.

[Upnorth]

Anyone concerned about the scouts saying Worthy can't shed a block, is lazy and not trustworthy?

And still an upgrade. If he can survive the weight room and take up some attention to free Clay and/or Raji I'm okay with him. If not its not like we can get worse than last year, is it?

[Freak Out]

That's the key....what are they going to ask him to do? Play nose on certain downs and free up the playmakers?

[Bretsky]

That's the key....what are they going to ask him to do? Play nose on certain downs and free up the playmakers?


They need to keep Raji at the Nose where he can tear it up. I think he can play nose but I bet he plays more DE

[pbmax]

He is not a NT. He needs to be one on one. I think there is a chance he is better at DE in a 3-4 than he was at DT in a 4-3.

[Scott Campbell]

They need to keep Raji at the Nose where he can tear it up. I think he can play nose but I bet he plays more DE


I wonder if they asked him to play too many downs last year.

[Freak Out]

He is not a NT. He needs to be one on one. I think there is a chance he is better at DE in a 3-4 than he was at DT in a 4-3.

That would rock.

[Upnorth]

Another DT
http://cnnsi.com/football/nfl/draft-2012/players/68481.html

[smuggler]

If Hayward is to play slot, the lack of long speed isn't as glaring. He's a willing tackler and a very quick player.

[mraynrand]

Anyone concerned about the scouts saying Worthy can't shed a block, is lazy and not trustworthy?

Watch the Georgia game. he can shed a block. Also, he's so quick that often it's hard for the linemen to get their paws on him in the first place. He gets past their shoulder and he's got an angle. That will work when GB asks him to get upfield. I suspect they may be more worried about the 'dancing bear' if he's asked to 2-gap it.