Will the Packers re-sign Ryan Grant?

[Patler]

Does Grant now get re-signed?
I think it is quite possible. There will now be a rush to sign undrafted rookies, and they could find one or two RBs there, but the chance of Grant returning is stronger than if they had drafted a running back.

[King Friday]

I doubt it. Grant is clearly past his prime. He has no upside at this point...it is all downhill from here. To be perfectly honest, an undrafted rookie RB probably could probably offer this team as much as Grant would. I think Thompson believes Starks and Green will provide enough of a 1-2 punch. I wouldn't be surprised to see Thompson pick up someone at final cutdowns either...similar to what he did with Grant.

[Brando19]

I doubt it. Grant is clearly past his prime. He has no upside at this point...it is all downhill from here. To be perfectly honest, an undrafted rookie RB probably could probably offer this team as much as Grant would. I think Thompson believes Starks and Green will provide enough of a 1-2 punch. I wouldn't be surprised to see Thompson pick up someone at final cutdowns either...similar to what he did with Grant.

Didn't he trade for Grant?

[hoosier]

Yes. Green hasn't shown anything and right now there is no way of knowing when, or even if, he will have recovered enough to be able to play a meaningful role in the backfield. Right now Grant is the only dependable backup option to Starks, and there is no running back in the league who needs a backup more than Starks.

[King Friday]

Didn't he trade for Grant?

Yes...late round pick for a guy who was going to be cut at final cutdown. To me, that is basically a pick up. 6th/7th round picks are a dime a dozen.

[Brando19]

Yes...late round pick for a guy who was going to be cut at final cutdown. To me, that is basically a pick up. 6th/7th round picks are a dime a dozen.

Oh...gotcha. I read somewhere the Packers had a choice between Grant and Ward and they chose Grant. Too bad they didn't offer a 4th for Bradshaw.

[Brandon494]

Yes. Green hasn't shown anything and right now there is no way of knowing when, or even if, he will have recovered enough to be able to play a meaningful role in the backfield. Right now Grant is the only dependable backup option to Starks, and there is no running back in the league who needs a backup more than Starks.

THIS!

[ND72]

I think they are thinking they are fine with Starks, Green, and Saine. I picture this is like our defense last year....we are good with our guys and we will "coach them up"....and then next year we will draft a guy early cause it didn't workout. Marcus Tyler might surprise as UDFA though.

[Brando19]

Once again...Reggie Bush and Jonathan Stewart are being dangled as trade bait. Stewart? yes please.

[Patler]

I doubt it. Grant is clearly past his prime. He has no upside at this point...it is all downhill from here. To be perfectly honest, an undrafted rookie RB probably could probably offer this team as much as Grant would. I think Thompson believes Starks and Green will provide enough of a 1-2 punch. I wouldn't be surprised to see Thompson pick up someone at final cutdowns either...similar to what he did with Grant.

I don't see Grant as past his prime. He has very little wear and tear. With Starks, Green and Saine they have three development guys already, with the most experienced one, Starks, providing no reliability at all. Grant would fit in nicely as the experienced veteran. No reason they coildn't keep all of them along with Kuhn.

[smuggler]

I like Grant, but we aren't going to keep him.

[MadtownPacker]

Once again...Reggie Bush and Jonathan Stewart are being dangled as trade bait. Stewart? yes please.
I have always thought Bush would reach his potential in M3's offense. Grant wouldnt be the worse but TT seems to want to load up for the second half of his championship window.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think they are thinking they are fine with Starks, Green, and Saine.
Maybe, but one of the three could get hurt in training camp. You need some depth going in.

[Scott Campbell]

This might be a little bit like the James Jones situation last year in that Grant found out that there isn't much of a free agency market for him, and we can get him relatively cheap. And Green didn't show much before he got hurt. I'd rather have Grant at this point than Driver.





Sorry Donald.

[Joemailman]

I think they are thinking they are fine with Starks, Green, and Saine.

One hasn't played an entire season since 2008 (his Junior year of college) because of injuries. One finished last year on IR with an ACL. One has 18 career carries. I like the idea of bringing Grant back.

[Pugger]

Yes. Green hasn't shown anything and right now there is no way of knowing when, or even if, he will have recovered enough to be able to play a meaningful role in the backfield. Right now Grant is the only dependable backup option to Starks, and there is no running back in the league who needs a backup more than Starks.


THIS!

You guys got that right! I have nothing against Starks besides the fact the poor kid can't stay on the field.

[Pugger]

Once again...Reggie Bush and Jonathan Stewart are being dangled as trade bait. Stewart? yes please.

Where did you see Bush was trade bait? I have a hard time believing they'd let their best ST gunner leave.

[Brando19]

Where did you see Bush was trade bait? I have a hard time believing they'd let their best ST gunner leave.

I posted about it a month or so ago...I think it was from PFT. Of course...not everything on PFT is the gospel.

[Brando19]

I have always thought Bush would reach his potential in M3's offense. Grant wouldnt be the worse but TT seems to want to load up for the second half of his championship window.

It would be nice to have Reggie Bush and Starks in the backfield. Reggie has excellent hands and would be another receiver out there.

[Patler]

One hasn't played an entire season since 2008 (his Junior year of college) because of injuries. One finished last year on IR with an ACL. One has 18 career carries. I like the idea of bringing Grant back.

Not sure if this is what you meant or not, but just to be clear, Starks missed two full games and part of a third when he was a Junior.
He played QB in HS and came into college as a CB. Ever since he was switched to RB, he has not shown much reliability.

[pbmax]

Not sure if this is what you meant or not, but just to be clear, Starks missed two full games and part of a third when he was a Junior.
He played QB in HS and came into college as a CB. Ever since he was switched to RB, he has not shown much reliability.

I think he means Starks hasn't played a full season at RB, apparently including his Junior year. Though he had a huge breakout year in his Junior season, did he really do that while missing 2 1/2 games?

He missed his Senior year to shoulder surgery, was recovering in his rookie pro year from an injury and missed 3 games last year.

[Lurker64]

I think you resign Grant if the price is right. Offer him a low number of years at a team friendly rate with some incentives.

[Patler]

I think he means Starks hasn't played a full season at RB, apparently including his Junior year. Though he had a huge breakout year in his Junior season, did he really do that while missing 2 1/2 games?

He missed his Senior year to shoulder surgery, was recovering in his rookie pro year from an injury and missed 3 games last year.

Ya, I wasn't sure if he was including or excluding his Junior year from the consecutive streaks of incomplete seasons. Since his statement could be interpreted either way, I just wanted to make sure it was clear that his Junior year was only a partial season, too. Since he was a QB in high school, it looks to be doubtful that he can handle the pounding a RB gets. Not sure GB will ever be able to rely on him week to week.

[Joemailman]

Not sure if this is what you meant or not, but just to be clear, Starks missed two full games and part of a third when he was a Junior.
He played QB in HS and came into college as a CB. Ever since he was switched to RB, he has not shown much reliability.

I wasn't even aware he missed games as a junior. I was referring to the fact he missed his entire senior year (2009), and has missed significant time in both his seasons with the packers.

[Patler]

I wasn't even aware he missed games as a junior. I was referring to the fact he missed his entire senior year (2009), and has missed significant time in both his seasons with the packers.

Kind of what I thought.

His sophmore year seems to be his only season where he was used a lot as a RB and held up, and I'm not even certain about that. I can find nothing that says he DID play all games as a sophmore, but I also have not found anything to say he did not.

Same for his freshman year, but he wasn't used as much, either, 175 carries.

[Bretsky]

I think it makes sense to bring Grant back in the 3.5 mil range for two years
Grant is better than Saine and gives us some stability

I don't care that much either way

[Brandon494]

I was thinking more of a one year deal for Grant around 1 million and incentives.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This is a Captain Obvious observation, but TT must think he has two starters among Starks, Green & Saine.

I don't see it, but we've mostly only had chance to evaluate Starks on our TV sets.

I don't like resigning Grant, I'd prefer TT had found a running back in the mid-rounds to compete for roster spot. But Grant's not ancient, he's maybe got a couple years left in the pros, bringing him back is OK.

[hoosier]

This is a Captain Obvious observation, but TT must think he has two starters among Starks, Green & Saine.

I don't see it, but we've mostly only had chance to evaluate Starks on our TV sets.

I don't like resigning Grant, I'd prefer TT had found a running back in the mid-rounds to compete for roster spot. But Grant's not ancient, he's maybe got a couple years left in the pros, bringing him back is OK.

Nobody knows how Green's performance will be affected by the injury and, if he's like most players, it's going to take him more than a year to be as close to normal as he's going to get. But he might never be the same again, and we don't even know how good the same was. Saine, meanwhile, he's the same but I cannot imagine that TT would put much trust in him as a desirable starter if Starks goes down again. With Grant at least you have a known entity, which is more than can be said for the others.

[Harlan Huckleby]

If TT was relying on Grant, he would be signed already. Evidently, TT is OK with what he's got on the roster.

[Patler]

If TT was relying on Grant, he would be signed already. Evidently, TT is OK with what he's got on the roster.

TT probably is waiting to get Grant for the vet's minimum, like he did with Walden.
Grant probably is holding out hope for something at least a little bit better with someone else.

[woodbuck27]

I was thinking more of a one year deal for Grant around 1 million and incentives.

I hoped that TT would bring on one RB in the draft and that man was an undrafted FA at the end of the day Saturday 28 April 2012.

Tha RB's name is Tauren Poole, Tennessee:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/draft-2012/players/79123.html

It would NOT matter what I want TT to do RE: Ryan Grant but IMO if he's still unsigned and given the question marks in the running game and what MM said about addressing that part of the offense. I vote for bringing Ryan Grant back for whatever TT can afford to sign him to; not for more than one year with a team option for two.

GO Packers !!

[Iron Mike]

Remember, God is watching......

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/god-shammgod.jpg

[Zool]

Remember, God is watching......

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/god-shammgod.jpg

Is that Jesus Shuttleworth?

[mraynrand]

I was thinking more of a one year deal for Grant around 1 million and incentives.


That's right. I'd guess about $500 in Best Buy cards if he cracks 1,000 yards would do the trick

[Lurker64]

That's right. I'd guess about $500 in Best Buy cards if he cracks 1,000 yards would do the trick

What does he get if he knocks Drew Brees out of the game?

[mraynrand]

What does he get if he knocks Drew Brees out of the game?

A date with Greg Williams!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xMYkTjFuQO4/TzWIQ2RjGBI/AAAAAAAAQSQ/1ogwlb6GiVQ/s400/chuck-woolery1.jpg

[Smeefers]

TT probably is waiting to get Grant for the vet's minimum, like he did with Walden.
Grant probably is holding out hope for something at least a little bit better with someone else.

Agreed. Grant isn't worth much any more. TT may match a deal if someone else tries to make it, as long as it's not too high. I do see him coming back though.

[SnakeLH2006]

I wouldn't mind Bush in GB. I mind Brandon.

[Brandon494]

I wouldn't mind Bush in GB. I mind Brandon.

:(

[sheepshead]

Lions are throwing some dough at Grant

[HowardRoark]

I wouldn't mind Bush in GB.

I wouldn't either.

http://classiccinemaquotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Groucho-Marx.jpg

[Brandon494]

Lions are throwing some dough at Grant

That would actually be a good team for him.

[Lurker64]

That would actually be a good team for him.

The report is that he's actually mulling competing offers from the Lions and the Packers. I don't see the Lions as necessarily a better fit than the Packers. For one thing is they pass more and their OL is worse.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Hard to say where the Packer O-line is at.

[mraynrand]

The report is that he's actually mulling competing offers from the Lions and the Packers. I don't see the Lions as necessarily a better fit than the Packers. For one thing is they pass more and their OL is worse.

The Lions are a little schizoid. They will go an entire half running from shotgun with no FB, and then run the entire second half with a standard set - FB, TE, 2WR. Typically though, they don't run from an I as much as shotgun. I guess Grant could fit in then half the time or less.

[mmmdk]

The report is that he's actually mulling competing offers from the Lions and the Packers. I don't see the Lions as necessarily a better fit than the Packers. For one thing is they pass more and their OL is worse.

Packers are not calling Grant these days; it's Lions or Pats that are in the picture for Grant.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/5/3/2997275/ryan-grant-free-agent-detroit-lions

Free Agent Ryan Grant Receives Contract Offer From Detroit Lions


By Bill Hanstock (http://www.sbnation.com/authors/bill-hanstock) - Contributor


"John Grant and the Packers have mutual interest in bringing back the running back for another season. Grant currently has an offer on the table from division rivals the Lions, however."


May 3, 2012


"I think that Green Bay is a phenomenal organization, the guys on the team and what we've built there in the last five years is something special. Coach (Mike) McCarthy and the rest of the coaches I think are doing a great job across the board. And the community, the fans are the best. So of course, I think everybody knows that I'm a Packer at heart and I do want to stay.

But that's the business aspect of everything. I understand it, and I think both sides do. We're just trying to move forward. And if we can work something out, that'd be awesome." Article

GO PACKERS !

[Smeefers]

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/5/3/2997275/ryan-grant-free-agent-detroit-lions

Free Agent Ryan Grant Receives Contract Offer From Detroit Lions


By Bill Hanstock (http://www.sbnation.com/authors/bill-hanstock) - Contributor


"John Grant and the Packers have mutual interest in bringing back the running back for another season. Grant currently has an offer on the table from division rivals the Lions, however."


May 3, 2012


"I think that Green Bay is a phenomenal organization, the guys on the team and what we've built there in the last five years is something special. Coach (Mike) McCarthy and the rest of the coaches I think are doing a great job across the board. And the community, the fans are the best. So of course, I think everybody knows that I'm a Packer at heart and I do want to stay.

But Everything I said is just bullshit. It's really about the money. Can you blame me?" Article

GO PACKERS !



Fixed

[denverYooper]

Who is John Grant?

[Fritz]

I think he's a porn star.

[HowardRoark]

Who is John Grant?

He plays for Hidden Valley Junior College in Colorado. Not much on him except that he talks too much.

[Little Whiskey]

I think he's a porn star.

Gay or Straight?

[denverYooper]

Gay or Straight?

Depends on how much he's getting paid. He's been known to switch teams for more money.

[pbmax]

Wilde and Demovsky have talked to his agent (Herman) and Grant has a deal on the tale from the Lions and a mystery team not names "Packers".

[gbgary]

guess he's gone then.

[smuggler]

Tooodles, Grant. Good luck (except against us).

[MadtownPacker]

Grant is a neverwas so who cares. Glad TT will have to find another nobody who will probably end up being the stud RB. :lol:

[woodbuck27]

Grant is a neverwas so who cares. Glad TT will have to find another nobody who will probably end up being the stud RB. :lol:

TT certasinly had a decent shot at a new prospect at RB out of the draft with his 'round seven selections'. Instead he chose at QB, a prospect that would have a difficult time making a CFL roster. We already had three QB's on our potential roster. It's been firmy expressed that Graham Harrell is the backup QB.

TT had a solid draft. He might have improved upon his decisions but picking at QB in the seventh round looked alot like saving some face to me in terms of the position selection than in getting the BPA. When TT aborted his focus of prospects on 'D'. He should have selected BPA.

We had need at RB. What do we see as 'a certain' there? ZERO. Our ground game continues to SUCK.

TT passed on several players more highly Graded than that B.J. Coleman and one of those was a RB.

IMO TT passed up opportunity to select better in round seven of the draft. He needed a RB not a QB.

GO PACKERS!

[Scott Campbell]

TT passed on several players more highly Graded than that B.J. Coleman and one of those was a RB.



More highly graded by whom?

Ted doesn't give a crap about your draft board Woody. He has his own.

[smuggler]

In rd 7 you are basically drafting UDFA. He probably drafted BJ Coleman because he thought, of all the UDFAs the Packers wanted to target, they had the least chance to secure Coleman.

[Scott Campbell]

In rd 7 you are basically drafting UDFA. He probably drafted BJ Coleman because he thought, of all the UDFAs the Packers wanted to target, they had the least chance to secure Coleman.


I hate BJ Coleman. But I still like Ted.

[Pugger]

I hate BJ Coleman. But I still like Ted.

Because...?

[Scott Campbell]

Because...?


I like smart QB's.

BJ already made people uncomfortable during his introductory press conference with all his references to working out with Favre. And he hired Bus Cook. And that's enough for me.

[MadtownPacker]

I like smart QB's.

BJ already made people uncomfortable during his introductory press conference with all his references to working out with Favre. And he hired Bus Cook. And that's enough for me.
What a minute, the guy hasnt done anything messed up yet. He was drafted by TT so he cant be a total POS. He makes the team he is a Green Bay Packer. Are you really that much a jaded ex that you would hold association with Favre against him? As a business man I imagine you are all about networking and making connections. Cant realy hate on the dude for using the ones he has.

[Scott Campbell]

Are you really that much a jaded ex that you would hold association with Favre against him?


Exactly!

[MadtownPacker]

Exactly!
Well I appreciate your honesty. Cant hate on you for that. :lol:

[Pugger]

I like smart QB's.

BJ already made people uncomfortable during his introductory press conference with all his references to working out with Favre. And he hired Bus Cook. And that's enough for me.

No, you only hate him because of his connection with Favre and Cook.

[Scott Campbell]

No, you only hate him because of his connection with Favre and Cook.



Good post Pugger!

[Pugger]

No, you only hate him because of his connection with Favre and Cook.


Good post Pugger!

You should have been up front at the start tho.

[MadtownPacker]

You should have been up front at the start tho.
Dont worry your lil head señorita. Campbell just drank too much happy juice last night but Im sure he is feeling the hangover this morning.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I was listening to Jason Wilde on Mark Chumura's talk show this morning. He seems pretty certain that Packers are making a mistake in not resigning Grant, and that the Lions will make good use of him. Thinking is that Grant is relatively reliable. Both the PAckers and Lions have had trouble keeping running backs on the field.

Grant issue aside, maybe a team needs to keep 4 running backs on the roster, since they get hurt so much.

[3irty1]

I simply don't see how another team could possibly value Ryan Grant higher than the Packers. Starks is just as effective but hasn't shown the ability to carry the load at any level. Grant fits exactly what we like to do: run it 20 times a game for 90 yards without fumbling ever.

[Rutnstrut]

I like smart QB's.

BJ already made people uncomfortable during his introductory press conference with all his references to working out with Favre. And he hired Bus Cook. And that's enough for me.

Well that's good solid football analysis.

[pbmax]

Well that's good solid football analysis.

At this point, hiring Bus Cook is probably a risk, but not because of Favre or McNair. If he truly flubbed prepping Claiborne for the Wonderlic, hiring Cook might actually qualify as risky behavior. Or having problems with the people around him. And that's going to cause you to fall on some boards.

[pbmax]

I was listening to Jason Wilde on Mark Chumura's talk show this morning. He seems pretty certain that Packers are making a mistake in not resigning Grant, and that the Lions will make good use of him. Thinking is that Grant is relatively reliable. Both the PAckers and Lions have had trouble keeping running backs on the field.

Grant issue aside, maybe a team needs to keep 4 running backs on the roster, since they get hurt so much.


I simply don't see how another team could possibly value Ryan Grant higher than the Packers. Starks is just as effective but hasn't shown the ability to carry the load at any level. Grant fits exactly what we like to do: run it 20 times a game for 90 yards without fumbling ever.

T2 has to serve penance somehow for all the draft pick trading up.

I just think its a case where he doesn't want to commit to paying any more money to the position than he already has. Writing this makes me think Driver is in worse position than I previously thought. Thompson may be drawing a line at WR and RB to save space for a resigning. Of course, to be an advantage, someone has to actually be resigned in season.

[pittstang5]

Looks like Grant may not have met with the Lions

http://host.madison.com/sports/football/blog/packers-insiders-blog-grant-to-the-lions-not-so-fast/article_821d9bcc-9935-11e1-acff-001a4bcf887a.html

[Joemailman]

This is starting to look a little like the James Jones situation of last year.

[Harlan Huckleby]

yes. But given the positions they play, I'd say James Jones had more tread on the tire. Teams like guys under 26 for RB depth, they are cheaper, often more explosive, less beat up.

[woodbuck27]

Looks like Grant may not have met with the Lions

http://host.madison.com/sports/football/blog/packers-insiders-blog-grant-to-the-lions-not-so-fast/article_821d9bcc-9935-11e1-acff-001a4bcf887a.html

Alot of people for some reason don't want to go to Detroit.

Seriously he wants a legit shot at being the starter and compensation commisurate with his personal evaluation of his value. That adds up to 'no fit in the Motor City'.

Ryan Grant just needs to bide his time and stay fit. He'll get a call as RB's fall.

[Lurker64]

More highly graded by whom?

Ted doesn't give a crap about your draft board Woody. He has his own.

Personally, the only RB on the board I had a higher grade on that Coleman at the point we took Coleman was Chris Polk, who apparently had a medical DND grade for 32 teams.

[BobDobbs]

I simply don't see how another team could possibly value Ryan Grant higher than the Packers. Starks is just as effective but hasn't shown the ability to carry the load at any level. Grant fits exactly what we like to do: run it 20 times a game for 90 yards without fumbling ever.

Except that last game he played. That one hurt.

They must be feeling good about Alex Green's rehab, otherwise Grant would probably sign for the veteran's minimum. I think he's ok at this point, but if Green is alright there's no reason to keep him. Starks is a runner, Saine looks like he could have the same skill set as Grant, and Green has got speed and hands. I'd be disappointed if we bring him back. He's been a tough runner who is tailing down. His top end speed is less than what it was and that was about the only thing that really set him apart from JAGs. I wish him well and I'm not afraid of the Packers seeing him in another uniform.

[Lurker64]

Saine looks like he could have the same skill set as Grant

Actually, Saine and Grant are guys with similar physical ability, and diametrically opposed skillsets. Saine has terrible vision and won't run between the tackles, but he can block and catch. Grant has great vision and can break one running in between the tackles, but can neither block nor catch. I think we need to resign Grant and splice him together with Saine to get 23 year old RB with good speed, toughness, hands, and vision who is a willing blocker. That would work right?

[BobDobbs]

Actually, Saine and Grant are guys with similar physical ability, and diametrically opposed skillsets. Saine has terrible vision and won't run between the tackles, but he can block and catch. Grant has great vision and can break one running in between the tackles, but can neither block nor catch. I think we need to resign Grant and splice him together with Saine to get 23 year old RB with good speed, toughness, hands, and vision who is a willing blocker. That would work right?

Yeah Rydan Graine would be a great back. I guess I haven't watched Saine run enough I didn't realize his vision was that bad. I did notice his size and speed. You hit it on the head though its more their physical attributes that are similar. I've liked him as a back so far, he just hasn't looked like he knows what's going on yet. I assume that will come, but some people just can't see the hole.

[Smidgeon]

Except that last game he played. That one hurt.

They must be feeling good about Alex Green's rehab, otherwise Grant would probably sign for the veteran's minimum. I think he's ok at this point, but if Green is alright there's no reason to keep him. Starks is a runner, Saine looks like he could have the same skill set as Grant, and Green has got speed and hands. I'd be disappointed if we bring him back. He's been a tough runner who is tailing down. His top end speed is less than what it was and that was about the only thing that really set him apart from JAGs. I wish him well and I'm not afraid of the Packers seeing him in another uniform.

Part of the report as to why Grant didn't go visit the Lions is that he's still looking for an opportunity to start. If that's the case, why would he sign for the veteran minimum to back up Starks again?

[pbmax]

Part of the report as to why Grant didn't go visit the Lions is that he's still looking for an opportunity to start. If that's the case, why would he sign for the veteran minimum to back up Starks again?

Good point. Even at less money, Grant might stand a chance to start on 1st and 2nd down on the Packers.

[hoosier]

Grant's agent is using (trying to use) the media as a tool for druming up interest in his client. TT doesn't bite. The difference between James Jones last year and Grant this year is that there was real interest in Jones, the only question was how much he was worth. Didn't Jones re-sign with GB at the end of July? In light of the Detroit rumor, I would bet that Grant doesn't sign with a team until someone needs a replacement RB in August.

[Pugger]

Part of the report as to why Grant didn't go visit the Lions is that he's still looking for an opportunity to start. If that's the case, why would he sign for the veteran minimum to back up Starks again?

He still might if no other team is gonna offer him the opportunity to start.

[woodbuck27]

Actually, Saine and Grant are guys with similar physical ability, and diametrically opposed skillsets. Saine has terrible vision and won't run between the tackles, but he can block and catch. Grant has great vision and can break one running in between the tackles, but can neither block nor catch. I think we need to resign Grant and splice him together with Saine to get 23 year old RB with good speed, toughness, hands, and vision who is a willing blocker. That would work right?

Damn! Isn't Technology wonderful !!

THE GREEN BAY PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb

Looking at the above and knowing that Ryan Grant loves/loved being a Packer. Considering his contribution since coming to us; plucked from the NY GIANTS roster by Ted Thompson.

Imagine if you were Ted Thompson:

a) Would you bring him back? Why?

b) If NOT why not?

GREEN BAY PACKERS !

[Tony Oday]

I think he is letting him test the market and then match what he gets so Grant doesnt feel insulted by the offer he will likely accept.

[woodbuck27]

I think he is letting him test the market and then match what he gets so Grant doesnt feel insulted by the offer he will likely accept.

I'm not optimistic about Alex Green and Brandon Saine and I believe that the option of using Ryan Grant and James Starks in alternating situations will work as long as both remain healthy. That's an issue considering Ryan Grant.

I hope that Undrafted RB Marc Tyler has his game face on and looked good over the weekend. His numbers at Southern California are impressive.

Mike McCarthy had nothing to say about Ryan Grant on Friday when asked at a press conference on Friday 11 May, 2012.

I'll post up that LINK as there's other stuff in there that may interest Packerrats from an observers standpoint:

http://blogs.greenbaypressgazette.com/blogs/gpg/insider/2012/05/11/mccarthy-nothing-to-report-on-ryan-grant/

GO PACKERS !

[Gunakor]

Part of the report as to why Grant didn't go visit the Lions is that he's still looking for an opportunity to start. If that's the case, why would he sign for the veteran minimum to back up Starks again?

Because Starks is injury prone, because both backs are used fairly evenly when healthy, and because the Packers have the most potent overall offense in the NFL.

[woodbuck27]

Because Starks is injury prone, because both backs are used fairly evenly when healthy, and because the Packers have the most potent overall offense in the NFL.

and... Because Ryan Grant wants to play in the NFL and he enjoys being a Green Bay Packer. It's simply a good fit as our RB situation is so up in the air.

GO PACKERS !

[Fritz]

I don't know if I've ever seen such a change in the value of a position as I have the running back position in the past four or five years.

The fullback role has been vastly diminished, too, but the value of a guy who can really run and make people miss, plus maybe catch the ball, is far, far less valued than it used to be. It's kinda weird. I grew up with McArthur Lane and John Brockington in the backfield, with
Billy Sims in Detroit, watching Walter Payton.

[pbmax]

I don't know if I've ever seen such a change in the value of a position as I have the running back position in the past four or five years.

The fullback role has been vastly diminished, too, but the value of a guy who can really run and make people miss, plus maybe catch the ball, is far, far less valued than it used to be. It's kinda weird. I grew up with McArthur Lane and John Brockington in the backfield, with
Billy Sims in Detroit, watching Walter Payton.

The 70s were a very strange time indeed. Their run to pass ratio made the Lombardi Packers seem like a Sam Wyche offense.

[Fritz]

You're right, PB. There was a great thread - maybe it was even back on the old JSO site - about how the game has changed. I did some research, and found that there was a lot more passing in the 50's and 60's than most people would have thought. It was the seventies where things got conservative, probably because DB's could mug receivers, and could cover themselves in stickum. Plus there were tearaway jerseys, which aided running backs.

So I grew up with what I thought was "normal" football, and that explains why it freaks me out a little that MM likes to pass so much. It's the culture I grew up in.

This also explains my alcoholism and my kinky sexual preferences.

[woodbuck27]

I don't know if I've ever seen such a change in the value of a position as I have the running back position in the past four or five years.

The fullback role has been vastly diminished, too, but the value of a guy who can really run and make people miss, plus maybe catch the ball, is far, far less valued than it used to be. It's kinda weird. I grew up with McArthur Lane and John Brockington in the backfield, with
Billy Sims in Detroit, watching Walter Payton.

In my observation it's not been that long since it was vital for an NFL team to have a strong running game. In the case of any team incorporating the WCO. That RB needed to block well and catch screen pass's (where's that gone?) catch the ball period as an added weapon in the passing attack.

In my observation when did it change in Green Bay?

I believe it was when Ahman Green declined. When Packer GM Ted Thompson began to draft to emphasize pass protection and weapons to use with Aaron Rodgers skills. When have we seen so many TE's on our roster? Why? Does TT have 'a prototypical all needs' TE on his roster?

TT has to protect and utilize now and the immediate future to showcase his QB, Aaron Rodgers.

When would the production minus opportunity,attitude, skills, loyalty (13 seasons) and popularity of 'a Donald Driver', if there is another one in the NFL. Be trumped by immediate needs for younger player development? Again evidence that great deal of Ted Thompson's plan is focused on taking the most advantage of his starting QB.

Ryan Grant can still be secured. He's playing a waiting game as I see it. Sometime an NFL teams #1 RB will fall and there's Ryan Grant as an option. If TT doesn't know it. Ryan Grant does know his own value. If TT and MM let him go. Who would be our most efficient runner? That won't happen. He's the anti-Tebow.

I believe it would be Aaron Rodgers again using that skill (running) to recover from a blown pass play.

If I was TT and MM I would look for that RB that can grab 4-5 yards on 1st down. The RB that consistently can bull ahead for 4 - 4.5 yards. That RB has to be durable as well as consistent in terms of his gains. He should have either solid blocking ability or good hands. 2 out of 3 is real good.

Ryan Grant isn't that guy. James Starks isn't that guy. Alex Green or Brandon Saine? They havn't started any games. They've played in a combined 12 games in 2011 with 22 plays for a total 80 yards (3.6 yard Avg.).

TT and MM have NOT found that RB yet. MM promised us a stronger running game or more emphasis place in that part of the WCO.Will we see that evolve in 2012?

I'm not seeing enough so far to be an optimistic fan in terms of the Packers running game.

My concern is Aaron Rodgers being more exposed then need be.

In Aaron Rodgers 'getting burned'... in 'Aaron Rodgers burnout' !

GO PACKERS !

[Fritz]

"My concern is Aaron Rodgers being more exposed then need be."

I know, Woody, that's always my fear, too - that opposing defensive linemen will be able to just pin their ears back and charge. It kinda freaks me out. But I have to admit that, watching the games, the Packers (as well as other passing teams) have gotten better over the years in devising protection schemes and running quick routes with three-step drops, so even a hard-charging defensive lineman or a blitzer can't get there in time.

I'd feel even better about it all, though, if the Packers did at least one of two things:

1. Developed a better screen game (Alex Green?)
2. Had a running back who was a real threat and could gain some yards and thus have his number called more often.

[woodbuck27]

"My concern is Aaron Rodgers being more exposed then need be."

I know, Woody, that's always my fear, too - that opposing defensive linemen will be able to just pin their ears back and charge. It kinda freaks me out. But I have to admit that, watching the games, the Packers (as well as other passing teams) have gotten better over the years in devising protection schemes and running quick routes with three-step drops, so even a hard-charging defensive lineman or a blitzer can't get there in time.

I'd feel even better about it all, though, if the Packers did at least one of two things:

1. Developed a better screen game (Alex Green?)
2. Had a running back who was a real threat and could gain some yards and thus have his number called more often.

Bang on !

[woodbuck27]

and... Because Ryan Grant wants to play in the NFL and he enjoys being a Green Bay Packer. It's simply a good fit as our RB situation is so up in the air.

GO PACKERS !



http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/tag/_/name/2012-pressure-point

See Pressure point: Packers.

"Today is May 16. That leaves about 2 1/2 months before training camp and almost four months before the start of the regular season for reinforcements to arrive. But for the time being, there is only one player on the Packers' roster who seems suited to be a No. 1 back in the NFL." Fr. LINK

and Cont'd ... see LINK above.

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[woodbuck27]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/priorities-do-not-include-running-game-3a5fj85-153333925.html

By: Tyler Dunne

Packers' priorities do not include running game (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/priorities-do-not-include-running-game-3a5fj85-153333925.html)

If Ted Thompson is going to lowball a position, it should be the position that's most disposable. A position that requires smart, healthy players. Not stars. In Green Bay, that's the running back.

Please click on LINK for the story.

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