New Mexico Dragons

[HarveyWallbangers]

If we are migrating, we shouldn't go half assed. We should bring the good stuff with us.

Here's an update on the New Mexico Dragons:

Free Agency Update:

TOP UFAs

QB
Aaron Brooks, NO, 6 – OAK (2y/$8M; average yearly salary: $4M)
Drew Brees, SD, 5 – NO (6y/$60M; $10M SB; 2006 cap number: $3.57M)
Josh McCown, ARI, 4 – DET (2y/$6M; $2M SB; 2006 cap number: $3M)
Brian Griese, TB, 7 – CHI (5y/$13.1M; $5M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.45M)
Jon Kitna, CIN, 9 – DET (4y/$10.5M; $3.5M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.38M)
Gus Frerotte, MIA, 12 – STL (3y/$6M; $2.8M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.74M)
Craig Nall, GB, 4 – BUF (3y/$3.25M; $1.3M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.03M)
Mike McMahon, PHI, 5 – MIN (2y/$2M; $0.72M SB; 2006 cap number: $0.95M)
Jeff Garcia, DET, 7 – PHI (1y/$0.71M; no SB; 2006 cap number: $0.71M)
Kerry Collins, OAK, 11
Tommy Maddox, PIT, 9
Jay Fiedler, MIA, 8

RB
Edgerrin James, IND, 7 – ARI (4y/$30M; $11.5M SB; 2006 cap number: $6.13M)
Jamal Lewis, BAL, 6 – BAL (3y/$17M; $6M SB; 2006 cap number: $3M)
Chester Taylor, BAL, 4 – MIN (4y/$14.1M; $5.1M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.88M)
Mike Anderson, DEN, 6 – BAL (4y/$8M; $2M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.5M)
Maurice Morris, SEA, 4 – SEA (3y/$4M; $0.9M SB; average yearly salary: $1.33M)
Michael Bennett, MIN, 5 – NO (2y/$3M; $1M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.2M)
Verron Haynes, PIT, 4 – PIT (2y/$1.75M; $0.32M SB; average yearly salary: $0.88M)
Najeh Davenport, GB, 4 – GB (1y/$0.59M; $0.07M RB; 2006 cap number: $0.66M)
Stephen Davis, CAR, 10

FB
Tony Richardson, KC, 11 – MIN (2y/$2.5M; average yearly salary: $1.25M)
William Henderson, GB, 11 – GB (2y/$1.99 M; no SB; 2006 cap number: $1.17M)
Mack Strong, SEA, 13 – SEA (3y/$3.16M; $0.5M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.03M)
Jameel Cook, TB, 5 – HOU (5y/$5M; $1.2M SB; 2006 cap number: $0.83M)
Fred Beasley, SF, 8 – MIA (1y/$0.71M; 2006 cap number: $0.71M)

WR
Terrell Owens, PHI, 10 – DAL (3y/$25M; $5M SB; 2006 cap number: $6.67M)
Isaac Bruce, STL, 12 – STL (3y/$15M; $4.5M SB; 2006 cap number: $6.5M)
Koren Robinson, MIN, 5 – MIN (3y/$12.7M; $5.5M GM; average yearly salary: $4.23M)
Antonio Bryant, CLE, 4 – SF (4y/$15M; $6.75M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.94M)
Keyshawn Johnson, DAL, 10 – CAR (4y/$14M; $5M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.25M)
Antwaan Randle El, PIT, 4 – WAS (7y/$31M; $11.25 SB; 2006 cap number: $2.19M)
David Givens, NE, 4 – TEN (5y/$24M; $6M SB; 2006 cap number: $2M)
Joe Jurevicius, SEA, 8 – CLE (4y/$10M; $4M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.71M)
Brian Finneran, ATL, 7 – ATL (4y/$8M; $3M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.46M)
Josh Reed, BUF, 4 – BUF (4y/$10M; $3.3M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.43M)
Corey Bradford, HOU, 8 – DET (4y/$7.4M; $2.15M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.34M)
Andre’ Davis, NE, 4 – BUF (1y/$1.3M; 2006 cap number: $1.3M)
Peter Warrick, SEA, 6 – SEA (1y/$1M; 2006 cap number: $1M)
Tim Dwight, NE, 8 – NYJ (4y/$4.2M; $0.75M SB; 2006 cap number: $0.9M)
Jabar Gaffney, HOU, 4 – PHI (1y/$0.9M; 2006 cap number: $0.9M)
Rod Gardner, GB, 5 – GB (1y/$0.86M; $0.16M SB; 2006 cap number: $0.86M)
Tim Carter, NYG, 4 – NYG (2y/$1.99M; $0.5M SB; 2006 cap number: $0.84M)
Troy Brown, NE, 13 – NE (1y/$0.81M; 2006 cap number: $0.81M)
Marc Boerigter, KC, 3 – GB (1y/$0.78M; $0.18M RB; 2006 cap number: $0.78M)
Antonio Chatman, GB, 3 – CIN (2y/$1.5M; 2006 cap number: $0.75M)
Quincy Morgan, PIT, 5 – PIT (1y/$0.63M; $0.04M SB; 2006 cap number: $0.63M)
Reche Caldwell, SD, 4 – NE (2y/$1.59M; 2006 cap number: $0.59M)
Az-Zahir Hakim, NO, 8
Dez White, ATL, 6
Peerless Price, DAL, 7

TE
Robert Royal, WAS, 4 – BUF (5y/$10M; $3.48M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.28M)
Justin Peelle, SD, 4 – MIA (3y/$4.5M; $1.4M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.07M)
Jeb Putzier, DEN, 4 – HOU (4y/$7.5M; $1.85M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.05M)
Jerame Tuman, PIT, 7 – PIT (3y/$4.25M/ $0.9M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.05M)
Dan Campbell, DAL, 7 – DET (5y/$8.8M; 2006 cap number: $1M)
Matt Schobel, CIN, 4 – PHI (5y/$5.75M; $1.8M SB; 2006 cap number: $0.95M)
Chris Baker, NYJ, 4 – NYJ (4y/$3.5M; average yearly salary: $0.88M)
Mark Campbell, BUF, 7 – NO (3y/$2.5M; average yearly salary: $0.83M)
Christian Fauria, NE, 11 – WAS (2y/$1.81M; no SB; 2006 cap number: $0.81M)
Aaron Shea, CLE, 6 – SD (3y/$2.1M; average yearly salary: $0.7M)

OT
Kevin Shaffer, ATL, 4 – CLE (6y/$36M; $12M SB; average yearly salary: $6.0M)
Jon Runyan, PHI, 10 – PHI (3y/$12.5M; average yearly salary: $4.17M)
Kenyatta Walker, TB, 5 – TB (5y/$16.5M; average yearly salary: $3.3M)
L.J. Shelton, CLE, 7 – MIA (4y/$15M; $3.5M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.88M)
Tom Ashworth, NE, 4 – SEA (5y/$13M; $4.5M GM; average yearly salary: $2.6M)
Mike Williams, BUF, 4 – JAC (2y/$5M; $2.6M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.3M)
Jason Fabini, NYJ, 8 – DAL (3y/$6M; $3.25M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.83M)
Kevin Barry, GB, 4 – GB (2y/$2.79M; $0.6M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.53M)
Rex Tucker, STL, 7 – DET (3y/$3.65M; $1M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.04M)
Stockar McDougle, MIA, 6 – JAC (2y/$1.6M; $0.1M SB; average yearly salary: $0.8M)
Brad Hopkins, TEN, 13 – leaning towards retirement
Mike Pearson, JAC, 4
Orlando Brown, CLE, 10
Damion McIntosh, MIA, 6

OG
Steve Hutchinson, SEA, 5, Trans. – MIN (7y/$49M; 2006 cap number: $13.3M)
Larry Allen, DAL, 12 – SF (2y/$3.6M; average yearly salary: $1.8M)
Kyle Kosier, DET, 4 – DAL (5y/$15M; $5 SB; 2006 cap number: $1.6M)
Andre Gurode, DAL, 4 – DAL (1y/$1.5M; 2006 cap number: $1.5M)
Stephen Neal, NE, 4 – NE (4y/$10.1M; $3.2M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.4M)
Jonathan Goodwin, NYJ, 4 – NO (2y/$2.1M; average yearly salary: $1.05M)
Toniu Fonoti, MIN, 4 – TB (1y/$1M; 2006 cap number: $1M)
Ron Stone, OAK, 13
Matt Stinchcomb, TB, 7

OC
LeCharles Bentley, NO, 4 – CLE (6y/$36M; $12.5M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.73M)
Justin Hartwig, TEN, 4 – CAR (5y/$17M; $7M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.3M)
Kevin Mawae, NYJ, 12 – TEN (4y/$13M; $5M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.06M)
Mike Flanagan, GB, 10 – HOU (3y/$9M; $3.0M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.75M)
Melvin Fowler, MIN, 4 – BUF (3y/$7.2M; $3M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.6M)
Seth McKinney, MIA, 4 – MIA (2y/$4.92M; $0.92M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.05M)
Jeff Mitchell, BAL, 9
Trey Teague, BUF, 8

DT
Ryan Pickett, STL, 4 – GB (5y/$17M; $0.50M SB; 2006 cap number: $5.0M)
La’Roi Glover, DAL, 10 – STL (3y/$12M; $3M SB; 2006 cap number: $3.5M)
Ted Washington, OAK, 14 – CLE (2y/$7M; average yearly salary: $3.5M)
Kimo von Oelhoffen, PIT, 12 – NYJ (3y/$9.2M; average yearly salary: $3.07M)
Rocky Bernard, SEA, 4 – SEA (3y/$13M; $5.4M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.4M)
Gerard Warren, DEN, 5 – DEN (6y/$36M; $10M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.25M)
Ma’ake Kemoeatu, BAL, 4 – CAR (5y/$27.5M; $6M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.1M)
Kendrick Clancy, NYG, 6 – ARI (4y/$8.1M; $2M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.0M)
Larry Tripplett, IND, 4 – BUF (5y/$18M; $5.5M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.86M)
Damione Lewis, STL, 4 – CAR (2y/$3.9M; $1.5M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.35M)
Justin Bannan, BUF, 4 – BAL (4y/$8M; $2.9M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.33M)
Lional Dalton, KC, 8 – KC (4y/$4.46M; average yearly salary: $1.12M)
Russell Davis, ARI, 7 – SEA (3y/$3.3M; average yearly salary: $1.1M)
Ron Edwards, BUF, 5 – KC
Sam Adams, BUF, 12
Grady Jackson, GB, 9
Brentson Buckner, CAR, 12

DE
Darren Howard, NO, 6 – PHI (6y/$30.5M; average yearly salary: $5.09M)
Trevor Pryce, DEN, 9 – BAL (5y/$25M; $10GM; average yearly salary: $5.0M)
Kalimba Edwards, DET, 4 – DET (5y/$20M; $8M GM; average yearly salary: $4.0M)
Anthony Weaver, BAL, 4 – HOU (5y/$26.5M; $12M SB; 2006 cap number: $3.4M)
Ryan Denney, BUF, 4 – BUF (4y/$7.2M; average yearly salary: $1.8M)
Brett Keisel, PIT, 4 – PIT (4y/$13.1M; $3.3M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.49M)
Kenard Lang, CLE, 9 – DEN (3y/$5.9M; $1.2M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.4M)
Carlos Hall, KC, 4 – KC (1y/$0.75M; 2006 cap number: $0.75M)
N.D. Kalu, PHI, 9 – HOU (1y/$0.75M; 2006 cap number: $0.75M)
Gary Walker, HOU, 11 – leaning towards retirement
Lance Johnstone, MIN, 10

LB
Julian Peterson, SF, 5 – SEA (7y/$54M; $18.5M SB; average yearly salary: $7.71M)
Andre Carter, SF, 5 – WAS (6y/$30M; average yearly salary: $5M)
Will Witherspoon, CAR, 4 – STL (6y/$33M; $10.5M SB; 2006 cap number: $3.75M)
Bart Scott, BAL, 4 – BAL (3y/$13.5M; $6.5M SB; 2006 cap number: $3.17M)
Willie McGinest, NE, 12 – CLE (3y/$12M; $6.3M SB; 2006 cap number: $3M)
David Thornton, IND, 4 – TEN (4y/$18M; $8M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.6M)
Ben Leber, SD, 4 – MIN (5y/$20M; $4M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.34M)
Scott Fujita, DAL, 4 – NO (4y/$12M; $5M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.25M)
Akin Ayodele, JAC, 4 – DAL (5y/$17M; $5.5M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.7M)
Sam Cowart, MIN, 8 – HOU (1y/$1.5M; $0.71M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.5M)
Rocky Boiman, TEN, – DAL (3y/$5M; $1M SB; 2006 cap number: $0.93M)
Shawn Barber, KC, 8 – PHI (1y/$0.8M; 2006 cap number: $0.8M)
Ben Taylor, CLE, 4 – GB (1y/$0.69M; $0.08M RB; 2006 cap number: $0.69M)
LaVar Arrington, WAS, 6
Barrett Green, NYG, 6
Tommy Polley, BAL, 5
Nick Greisen, NYG, 4
Na’il Diggs, GB, 6
Keith Newman, MIN, 7
Brad Kassell, TEN, 4
Keith Adams, PHI, 5
Brandon Short, CAR, 6
Chris Claiborne, STL, 7
Jamie Sharper, SEA, 9

CB
Brian Williams, MIN, 4 – JAC (6y/$32M; $10M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.67M)
Andre Dyson, SEA, 5 – NYJ (5y/$11M; average yearly salary: $2.2M)
Deshea Townsend, PIT, 8 – PIT (4y/$8M; $1M SB; average yearly salary: $2M)
Sam Madison, MIA, 9 – NYG (4y/$7.4M; average yearly salary: $1.85M)
Will Allen, NYG, 5 – MIA (4y/$12M; $4.9M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.83M)
Fakhir Brown, NO, 6 – STL (5y/$12M; $2.75M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.5M)
Tyrone Poole, NE, 10 – OAK (2y/$2.5M; 2006 cap number: $1.25M)
R.W. McQuarters, CHI, 8 – NYG (3y/$4.98M; 2006 cap number: $0.98M)
Walt Harris, WAS, 9 – SF (2y/$1.67M; no SB; 2006 cap number: $0.84M)
Reggie Howard, MIA, 6 – CAR (1y)
Ty Law, NYJ, 11
Charles Woodson, OAK, 8
Ahmed Plummer, SF, 6
Eric Warfield, KC, 8
Dexter McCleon, KC, 9
Jamar Fletcher, SD, 5
Kevin Thomas, BUF, 4

S
Chris Hope, PIT, 4 – TEN (6y/$30M; $10M SB; 2006 cap number: $3.25M)
Marlon McCree, CAR, 5 – SD (5y/$16M; $6M RB; average yearly salary: $3.2M)
Corey Chavous, MIN, 8 – STL (5y/$16M; $4M SB; 2006 cap number: $2.3M)
Adam Archuleta, STL, 5 – WAS (6y/$32M; $10M SB; average yearly salary: $2.25M)
Marquand Manuel, SEA, 4 – GB (5y/$10M; $2.2M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.76M)
Lawyer Milloy, BUF, 10 – ATL (3y/$6M; $2.5M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.64M)
Dexter Jackson, TB, 7 – CIN (4y/$7.6M; $3M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.55M)
Will Demps, BAL, 4 – NYG (5y/$12M; $3.3M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.41M)
Ryan Clark, WAS, 4 – PIT (4y/$7M; $1.65M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.06M)
Matt Bowen, WAS, 6 – BUF (2y/$2M; $0.3M SB; 2006 cap number: $0.95M)
Tank Williams, TEN, 4 – MIN (1y/$0.9M; 2006 cap number: $0.9M)
Shaun Williams, NYG, 8 – CAR (1y/$0.71M; 2006 cap number: $0.71M)
Derrick Gibson, OAK, 5 – CAR (1y/$0.59M; average yearly salary: $0.59M)
Idrees Bashir, CAR, 5 – DET (1y)
Tebucky Jones, MIA, 8
Keion Carpenter, ATL, 7
Joseph Jefferson, IND, 4
Lance Schulters, MIA, 8

K
Adam Vinatieri, NE, 10 – IND (5y/$12.5M; $3.5M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.68M)
Mike Vanderjagt, IND, 8 – DAL (3y/$6M; $2.4M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.61M)
Ryan Longwell, GB, 9 – MIN (5y/$10M; $3M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.31M)
Joe Nedney, SF, 10 – SF (4y/$6M; $1.56M SB; 2006 cap number: $1.17M)
Billy Cundiff, DAL, 4 – GB (1y/$0.59M; no SB; 2006 cap number: $0.59M)
Todd Peterson, ATL, 12
Paul Edinger, MIN, 6

P
Dave Zastudil, BAL, 4 – CLE (5y/$5.65M; no SB; 2006 cap number: $1.13M)
Jason Baker, CAR, 5 – CAR (2y/$1.8M; $0.4M SB; average yearly salary: $0.9M)
Tom Rouen, SEA, 14
Kyle Richardson, CLE, 9

[HarveyWallbangers]

ROSTER

Pos Player 2006 Cap # Team
QB1 Daunte Culpepper $5,000,000 Min
QB2 Brian Griese $2,450,000 TB
QB3

RB1 Thomas Jones $2,250,000 Chi
RB2 Najeh Davenport $ 660,000 GB
RB3

FB1 Jim Kleinsasser $2,400,000 Min
FB2 William Henderson $1,170,000 GB

WR1 Terrell Owens $6,670,000 Phi
WR2 Isaac Bruce $6,500,000 StL
WR3 Charles Rogers $ 760,000 Det
WR4 Reche Caldwell $ 590,000 SD
WR5

TE1 Eric Johnson $1,550,000 SF
TE2 Brandon Manumaleuna $1,330,000 StL
TE3

OT1 Jon Runyan $4,170,000 Cle
OT2 L.J. Shelton $2,880,000 Cle
OT3 John St. Clair $ 750,000 Chi
OT4 Ephraim Salaam $ 670,000 Jac

OG1 Rick DeMulling $1,400,000 Det
OG2 Chris Liwiesnki $1,700,000 Min
OG3 Lennie Friedman $ 550,000 Chi
OG4

OC1 Matt Birk $3,940,000 Min
OC2 Russ Hochstein $ 600,000 NE

DE1 Greg Ellis $3,350,000 Dal
DE2 Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila $3,850,000 GB
DE3 Brett Keisel $1,490,000 Pit
DE4 Dwan Edwards $ 390,000 Bal
DE5

DT1 Rocky Bernard $2,400,000 Sea
DT2 Ryan Pickett $5,000,000 StL
DT3 Johnathan Sullivan $ 690,000 NO
DT4 Hollis Thomas $ 670,000 Phi
DT5

LB1 Will Witherspoon $3,750,000 Car
LB2 David Thornton $2,600,000 Ind
LB3 Dexter Coakley $1,500,000 StL
LB4 Ben Taylor $ 940,000 Cle
LB5 Shawn Barber $ 800,000 KC
LB6 Isaiah Kacyvenski $ 550,000 Sea

CB1 Charles Woodson $5,000,000 Oak
CB2 Sam Madison $1,850,000 Mia
CB3 Andre Dyson $2,200,000 Sea
CB4 Allen Rossum $ 670,000 Atl
CB5

S1 Lawyer Milloy $1,640,000 Buf
S2 Mike Green $1,440,000 Chi
S3 Bryan Scott $ 460,000 Atl
S4 Brian Russell $ 900,000 Cle

PK Ryan Longwell $1,310,000 GB
P Jason Baker $ 900,000 Car

Total Salary $92,340,000
Salary Cap $103,000,000
Rookie Pool $7,000,000
Remaining Cap Space $3,660,000

DRAFT PICKS

1 (1)
2 (1)
2 ( 18 ) – Traded to Minnesota
3 (1)
3 ( 18 )
4 (1)
4 ( 18 )
5 (1)
5 ( 18 )
6 (1)
6 ( 18 )
7 (1)
7 ( 18 )
7 (last pick)

[MJZiggy]

Yes, but now my thread isn't mine anymore and that makes me kinda sad. I had a whole introduction planned, dammit.

[Charles Woodson]

Hey guys, Im here.

[Charles Woodson]

Didnt we sign Adam V. as kicker?

[jack's smirking revenge]

Hey guys, Im here.

Welcome Nick!!! Great to see ya!

tyler

[HarveyWallbangers]

Didnt we sign Adam V. as kicker?

I think he turned us down.

[HarveyWallbangers]

We need to make sure nutz, KY, gureski, imscott, bretsky, and many other key contributers see this thread.

[MJZiggy]

Thank you, Harvey for pulling the roster off CE. The forum with the original Dragon thread is gone.

[MJZiggy]

Yes, Adam dissed the Dragons. Ryan Longwell is our kicker.

[GoPackGo]

someone tell me how this franchise thing works

[imscott72]

Umm WTF just happened? I log on to CE first time for today and it's gone? What in the hell did I miss? We lost the entire Dragon's thread? This sucks ass.. :mad:

[MJZiggy]

Gladly. I was wanting to do a summary anyway.

We decided in our intense offseason boredom to see how we would run our own expansion franchise. I am President, Bretsky is GM, LEWCWA is assisting him, etc. (we'll have to make sure everyone's here) and we assembled a staff (which still has some openings by the way) decided to track our progress by using a Madden simulation (do we have someone to run that damned thing yet?), did an expansion draft and are just finishing up free agency and are preparing for our first draft. I think that sums up all 130 pages of it.

[MJZiggy]

Umm WTF just happened? I log on to CE first time for today and it's gone? What in the hell did I miss? We lost the entire Dragon's thread? This sucks ass.. :mad:We didn't lose nearly as much as you think. Harvey posted the roster and I still have the staff list (if we can find everyone) and FA notes. I'm positive Nutz has the entire draft class in his head, memorized, ranked and good to go. Like I said, all we really need to do is account for everyone.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Umm WTF just happened? I log on to CE first time for today and it's gone? What in the hell did I miss? We lost the entire Dragon's thread? This sucks ass.. :mad:

imscott,

I caught the tail in, but upnorth came on this site and said somebody told him that people were badmouthing him here (which wasn't happening). Harlan explained his sorry ass story, upnorth called him a bald faced liar, Harlan said he was going to grab his heart and pull it out of his chest and then eat the son of a bitch for dinner, then upnorth closed down his site. Actually, that last sentence was made up. You get the gist though.

[imscott72]

Umm WTF just happened? I log on to CE first time for today and it's gone? What in the hell did I miss? We lost the entire Dragon's thread? This sucks ass.. :mad:

imscott,

I caught the tail in, but upnorth came on this site and said somebody told him that people were badmouthing him here (which wasn't happening). Harlan explained his sorry ass story, upnorth called him a bald faced liar, Harlan said he was going to grab his heart and pull it out of his chest and then eat the son of a bitch for dinner, then upnorth closed down his site. Actually, that last sentence was made up. You get the gist though.

Ouch, yeah that might make him close up shop..lol.. Oh well, glad to hear we still have enough info to run the team. God knows we've put enough time into it to lose it now.

[MJZiggy]

And on to team business. The Dragons front office would like to announce Jpopp as our new Special Teams Coordinator. Welcome to Jpopp.

[Bretsky]

And on to team business. The Dragons front office would like to announce Jpopp as our new Special Teams Coordinator. Welcome to Jpopp.

Yes Ziggy, now that we're on here only you may have some new staff to fill. Nuts and Harvey are at work with the draft. The GM is going to promote team chemistry be taking all the new free agents to the Dragons Gentlemen Club for the next week or so.

Cheers,
B

[GoPackGo]

We don't have any pro-bowl return men on our team :neutral:

[Bretsky]

We don't have any pro-bowl return men on our team :neutral:

We have Allen Rossum and maybe Reggie Bush soon

[LEWCWA]

damn I was just getting used to the other site....You guys need to quit running around cyberspace, cause I am a computer iliterate!

[BF4MVP]

What up LEWCWA

UNF told us (well, told ME anyways) right from the beginning that CE was a temporary alternative..He never planned on having us there for the long haul..

[imscott72]

We don't have any pro-bowl return men on our team :neutral:

We have Allen Rossum and maybe Reggie Bush soon

Umm my star RB WILL NOT be returning kicks!!!! :evil:

[Bretsky]

We don't have any pro-bowl return men on our team :neutral:

We have Allen Rossum and maybe Reggie Bush soon

Umm my star RB WILL NOT be returning kicks!!!! :evil:


YOU COACHES WORK THAT OUT WITH EACH OTHER; REST ASSURED THE GM WILL GIVE FULL SUPPORT AS LONG AS YOU WIN :wink:

[imscott72]

We don't have any pro-bowl return men on our team :neutral:

We have Allen Rossum and maybe Reggie Bush soon

Umm my star RB WILL NOT be returning kicks!!!! :evil:


YOU COACHES WORK THAT OUT WITH EACH OTHER; REST ASSURED THE GM WILL GIVE FULL SUPPORT AS LONG AS YOU WIN :wink:

Coaches? Well, being I'm the only offensive coach as of right now, IT'S BEEN DECIDED!! :mrgreen:

[MJZiggy]

You're not the only offensive coach right now. You're just top "offensive rat" as it were.

You still have your asst. OM & QB coach, you WR coach and probably your OL coach. CPF, you there?

[KYPack]

Hello dragons.

Nice "save job" on the Dragons thread, y'all.

I'll keep lurkin' and checking it out.

[GoPackGo]

Reggie Bush will be returning kicks for this team in 2006. Get it done! :mad:

[Deputy Nutz]

Did anyone save the 100 draft prospects that I posted? Crap.

UNF should really be a man about this and open up the site and let us get our stuff.

[woodbuck27]

We don't have any pro-bowl return men on our team :neutral:

We have Allen Rossum and maybe Reggie Bush soon



Rossum at only 670 K , nice!

[GoPackGo]

Rossums #'s

KICK RETURNS
Year Team G No Yards Avg Lg TD 40+
2005 Atl 10 31 702 22.6 47 0 1

PUNT RETURNS
Year Team G No FC Yards Avg Lg TD 20+
2005 Atl 10 17 12 145 8.5 29 0 3

Someone please remind me why did we lets Rossum leave? Oh yeah He can't play defense

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Just an fyi, for any one interested:

As a sophomore in a creative writing class, i wrote a short story about a factional NFL team by the name of "Los Angeles Dukes," which becomes the first team in league history to win the Super Bowl as an expansion club.

Among the many stars on that team are factional characters such as (NFL players whom i attribute their skills to are parenthesis):

QB Aerrow Armor (Brett Favre)
RB Spedd Walker (Ahman Green)
WR Maze Rocket (Randy Moss)
CB Tank Duke (Deion Sanders)
MLB Nuke Quest (Ray Lewis)
OLB Shark Dogyt (Bill Romanoski; hey, the guy was popular back then with the Brocos
SS Neo Hawk (Darren Sharper)

Since I didn’t attempt to profit from the story, I made Al Bundy as head Coach/offensive coordinator and Homer Simpson as defensive coordinators. Bundy used a multiply formation, option-wise, wide open attacking scheme similar to Mike Martz’s. Simpson used a blitz happy, you don’t know where its coming from, defense like the Steelers,

:D

[Charles Woodson]

Just an fyi, for any one interested:

As a sophomore in a creative writing class, i wrote short story about a factional NFL team by the name of "Los Angeles Dukes," which becomes the first team in league history to win the Super Bowl as an expansion club.

Among the many stars on that team are factional characters such as (NFL players whom i attribute their skills to are parenthesis):

QB Aerrow Armor (Brett Favre)
RB Spedd Walker (Ahman Green)
WR Maze Rocket (Randy Moss)
CB Tank Duke (Deion Sanders)
MLB Nuke Quest (Ray Lewis)
OLB Shark Dogyt (Mark Romanoski; hey, the guy was popular back then with the Brocos
SS Neo Hawk (Darren Sharper)

Since I didn’t attempt to profit from the story, I made Al Bundy as head Coach/offensive coordinator and Homer Simpson as defensive coordinators. Bundy used a multiply formation, option-wise, wide open attacking scheme similar to Mike Martz’s. Simpson used a blitz happy, you don’t know where its coming from, defense like the Steelers,

:D

What did u get on the paper?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Just an fyi, for any one interested:

As a sophomore in a creative writing class, i wrote short story about a factional NFL team by the name of "Los Angeles Dukes," which becomes the first team in league history to win the Super Bowl as an expansion club.

Among the many stars on that team are factional characters such as (NFL players whom i attribute their skills to are parenthesis):

QB Aerrow Armor (Brett Favre)
RB Spedd Walker (Ahman Green)
WR Maze Rocket (Randy Moss)
CB Tank Duke (Deion Sanders)
MLB Nuke Quest (Ray Lewis)
OLB Shark Dogyt (Mark Romanoski; hey, the guy was popular back then with the Brocos
SS Neo Hawk (Darren Sharper)

Since I didn’t attempt to profit from the story, I made Al Bundy as head Coach/offensive coordinator and Homer Simpson as defensive coordinators. Bundy used a multiply formation, option-wise, wide open attacking scheme similar to Mike Martz’s. Simpson used a blitz happy, you don’t know where its coming from, defense like the Steelers,

:D

What did u get on the paper?

B+; i was lazy and didnt put much efforts into the revision aspect of it and handed in a paper with some grammatical errors.

[Charles Woodson]

We don't have any pro-bowl return men on our team :neutral:

We have Allen Rossum and maybe Reggie Bush soon



Rossum at only 670 K , nice!

Two things to mention. First. I like ur avatar woodbuck, secound i cvote rossum to do PR KR and bush as back up/ secound kr, Since im the D-coordiator, btw is boo-hoo here?

[Charles Woodson]

Just an fyi, for any one interested:

As a sophomore in a creative writing class, i wrote short story about a factional NFL team by the name of "Los Angeles Dukes," which becomes the first team in league history to win the Super Bowl as an expansion club.

Among the many stars on that team are factional characters such as (NFL players whom i attribute their skills to are parenthesis):

QB Aerrow Armor (Brett Favre)
RB Spedd Walker (Ahman Green)
WR Maze Rocket (Randy Moss)
CB Tank Duke (Deion Sanders)
MLB Nuke Quest (Ray Lewis)
OLB Shark Dogyt (Mark Romanoski; hey, the guy was popular back then with the Brocos
SS Neo Hawk (Darren Sharper)

Since I didn’t attempt to profit from the story, I made Al Bundy as head Coach/offensive coordinator and Homer Simpson as defensive coordinators. Bundy used a multiply formation, option-wise, wide open attacking scheme similar to Mike Martz’s. Simpson used a blitz happy, you don’t know where its coming from, defense like the Steelers,

:D

What did u get on the paper?

B+; i was lazy and didnt put much efforts into the revision aspect of it and handed in a paper with some grammatical errors.

Hmm, u should post it here sometime

[Anti-Polar Bear]

B+; i was lazy and didnt put much efforts into the revision aspect of it and handed in a paper with some grammatical errors.[/quote]

Hmm, u should post it here sometime[/quote]

Sorry man, i would if i could, but i think i delated it. Thats 2 years ago and its not on my computer anymore... dont know where i put the floppy disk. Seems like there is never enough storage space on the computer so i may have delated it along with some other unused files after that semester.

[MJZiggy]

We don't have any pro-bowl return men on our team :neutral:

We have Allen Rossum and maybe Reggie Bush soon



Rossum at only 670 K , nice!

Two things to mention. First. I like ur avatar woodbuck, secound i cvote rossum to do PR KR and bush as back up/ secound kr, Since im the D-coordiator, btw is boo-hoo here?he's around somewhere. I'm not sure if he made it into this thread yet.

[Charles Woodson]

Okay, also what spots are still needed to be filled?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Just an fyi, for any one interested:

As a sophomore in a creative writing class, i wrote a short story about a fictional NFL team by the name of "Los Angeles Dukes," which becomes the first team in league history to win the Super Bowl as an expansion club.

Among the many stars on that team are fictional characters such as (NFL players whom i attribute their skills to are parenthesis):

QB Aerrow Armor (Brett Favre)
RB Spedd Walker (Ahman Green)
WR Maze Rocket (Randy Moss)
CB Tank Duke (Deion Sanders)
MLB Nuke Quest (Ray Lewis)
OLB Shark Dogyt (Bill Romanoski; hey, the guy was popular back then with the Brocos
SS Neo Hawk (Darren Sharper)

Since I didn’t attempt to profit from the story, I made Al Bundy as head Coach/offensive coordinator and Homer Simpson as defensive coordinators. Bundy used a multiply formation, option-wise, wide open attacking scheme similar to Mike Martz’s. Simpson used a blitz happy, you don’t know where its coming from, defense like the Steelers,

:D

[MJZiggy]

So far, I see RB coach, Secondary, Linebackers any ST coaches that Jpopp wants, a fresh cap person, someone to help Mr. T with the simulations and does ANYONE know where joemailman is? I haven't seen him anywhere in over a month.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

oops sorry for the douple post. i was trying to edit fraction to friction and pressed the wrong bottom and summited it again.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

So far, I see RB coach, Secondary, Linebackers any ST coaches that Jpopp wants, a fresh cap person, someone to help Mr. T with the simulations and does ANYONE know where joemailman is? I haven't seen him anywhere in over a month.

i would like to apply for secondary coach!

:D

[MJZiggy]

You're forgiven.

[Charles Woodson]

Sounds like a deal tank. So on Defense we have

HC: Me
Ass. HC: Boo-hoo
DL:?
LB:?
Secoundary: Tank

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Sounds like a deal tank. So on Defense we have

HC: Me
Ass. HC: Boo-hoo
DL:?
LB:?
Secoundary: Tank

Cool!

Nick, what type of D are you going to go with? (cover 2, 3-4, 4-3, blitz happy, etc.)?

[imscott72]

You're not the only offensive coach right now. You're just top "offensive rat" as it were.

You still have your asst. OM & QB coach, you WR coach and probably your OL coach. CPF, you there?

Have these positions been filled?

[imscott72]

Reggie Bush will be returning kicks for this team in 2006. Get it done! :mad:

Are you smoking something? Are you one of my assistants? I'm lost... :neutral:

[GoPackGo]

Reggie Bush will be returning kicks for this team in 2006. Get it done! :mad:

Are you smoking something? Are you one of my assistants? I'm lost... :neutral:

maybe and no

[imscott72]

Reggie Bush will be returning kicks for this team in 2006. Get it done! :mad:

Are you smoking something? Are you one of my assistants? I'm lost... :neutral:

maybe and no

LOL..Good answer...I need some assistants if your interested sir. As far as our difference in opinions on Bush returning kicks, well we'll work on that one.. :mrgreen:

Edited: He's already on board as the ST's coach..

[Charles Woodson]

Sounds like a deal tank. So on Defense we have

HC: Me
Ass. HC: Boo-hoo
DL:?
LB:?
Secoundary: Tank

Cool!

Nick, what type of D are you going to go with? (cover 2, 3-4, 4-3, blitz happy, etc.)?

4-3 but i will blitz a bit

[MJZiggy]

Nick, if Falco's around, he's DLine and Smuggler if he's still interested is Strength and Conditioning.

[Charles Woodson]

Bump!

[MJZiggy]

You're not the only offensive coach right now. You're just top "offensive rat" as it were.

You still have your asst. OM & QB coach, you WR coach and probably your OL coach. CPF, you there?

Have these positions been filled?

Here's what I have:
Asst. = BF4
OL = CyclonePackFan (If he's still up for it)
WR = JSR
RB = Open

[imscott72]

You're not the only offensive coach right now. You're just top "offensive rat" as it were.

You still have your asst. OM & QB coach, you WR coach and probably your OL coach. CPF, you there?

Have these positions been filled?

Here's what I have:
Asst. = BF4
OL = CyclonePackFan (If he's still up for it)
WR = JSR
RB = Open

Spetacular! I didn't know some of these openings were filled, now we're getting somewhere!

[MJZiggy]

Do you have any ideas on someone to fill that empty RB spot?

[SkinBasket]

Hello you freaks. I have to admit, this whole fantasy stuff creeps me out a bit, but Zig asked me to try a logo for your team. Here's the result:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g188/skinbasket/dragonlogo.gif


and a smaller version:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g188/skinbasket/dragonlogo_s.gif


Like I told her, I hope you all like it, but if you don't, I won't be offended.

[MJZiggy]

That is one badass dragon.

[Deputy Nutz]

I need to have a serious conversation with Bretsky.

I think it would be in the Dagrons best interest to trade the #1 pick in this draft. Reggie Bush would be nice, but can we get more value for the pick by trading it away and still staying in the top 5 or 6 picks?

I also don't know if that would be a kosher thing to do, and might mess up draft day and make it more confusing. Do we say no trades?

After Bush's pro day, he is still #1 on the Dragron's draft board.

[MJZiggy]

Wait a minute, I thought we left a RB spot open on the roster for Bush. If we trade the pick, what do we do for a RB?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Nah, we have 13 picks already and not that many holes to fill. If anything, this team should be looking to trade up IMHO.

[MJZiggy]

How can you trade up from the first pick?

[HarveyWallbangers]

I meant with some of our lower picks. We could trade up from our 2nd pick and try to move up into the first round with it. Only if there is a player we are targeting.

[MJZiggy]

If I recall right, we have 1st and 18th picks in each round except 2nd 'cause we traded the pick, right?

[HarveyWallbangers]

DRAFT PICKS

1 (1)
2 (1)
2 ( 18 ) – Traded to Minnesota
3 (1)
3 ( 18 )
4 (1)
4 ( 18 )
5 (1)
5 ( 18 )
6 (1)
6 ( 18 )
7 (1)
7 ( 18 )
7 (last pick)

[MJZiggy]

Thank you.

[Little Whiskey]

okay, so i'm a little late to the party. but i would have fully expected a mention to the loyal fans. myself, the kool-aid drinker, Tarlam, the muck :shock: thrower, and Kiwon, optomistic realist.


oh and i can't believe it took two pages to say this:

Anti-Polar Bear Wrote:

QB Aerrow Armor (Brett Favre)
RB Spedd Walker (Ahman Green)
WR Maze Rocket (Randy Moss)
CB Tank Duke (Deion Sanders)


its more like Tank Duke = Ricky Williams :mrgreen:

[imscott72]

Impossible to trades picks. We can't assume teams would deal with us.

[MJZiggy]

okay, so i'm a little late to the party. but i would have fully expected a mention to the loyal fans. myself, the kool-aid drinker, Tarlam, the muck :shock: thrower, and Kiwon, optomistic realist.


oh and i can't believe it took two pages to say this:

Anti-Polar Bear Wrote:

QB Aerrow Armor (Brett Favre)
RB Spedd Walker (Ahman Green)
WR Maze Rocket (Randy Moss)
CB Tank Duke (Deion Sanders)


its more like Tank Duke = Ricky Williams :mrgreen:Sorry, Red. Had to make sure we still had a team.

[MJZiggy]

Impossible to trades picks. We can't assume teams would deal with us.There it is.

[Bretsky]

I need to have a serious conversation with Bretsky.

I think it would be in the Dagrons best interest to trade the #1 pick in this draft. Reggie Bush would be nice, but can we get more value for the pick by trading it away and still staying in the top 5 or 6 picks?

I also don't know if that would be a kosher thing to do, and might mess up draft day and make it more confusing. Do we say no trades?

After Bush's pro day, he is still #1 on the Dragron's draft board.

NUTZ,

I think it's been figured that we can not make draft day trades since it's overmuck things. If a team trades a draft pick for a veteran before the draft occurs I think we have flexibility to offer a higher pick, but not on draft day.

Our Dragon Roster doens't have a lot of holes except for a starting halfback. I want to give you and Harv unlimited power in the draft in terms of selections, but if Bush is the top rated on our board I think we might want to stick with him since our roster was built on the assumption he'll be wearing Dragon Colors.

[MJZiggy]

Don't you mean 'charred flesh, green & black?'

[Anti-Polar Bear]

oh and i can't believe it took two pages to say this:

Anti-Polar Bear Wrote:

QB Aerrow Armor (Brett Favre)
RB Spedd Walker (Ahman Green)
WR Maze Rocket (Randy Moss)
CB Tank Duke (Deion Sanders)


its more like Tank Duke = Ricky Williams :mrgreen:

I do smoke the stuff maybe as much as Williams (although less now cos im back in college), but growing up Sanders was my hero. I try to play like him everytime i play football. And regardless of what the Kentucky thinks, I did shut down Darren Charles in HS. However, I lack the prototypical physicality like Sanders to play divison 1, with me being a only 5'9" 170lbs. Plus, i think I only run between 4.5-4.7 on the 40, maybe 5.0. Oh, yeah, Im also white too. I couldve played d3 but, like I said, i;d rather smoke weed.

:oops:

[Anti-Polar Bear]

How bout trading a 5th to Detriot for Joey Harrington?

[Bretsky]

How bout trading a 5th to Detriot for Joey Harrington?

He was cut so we can sign him, but I think our NFC guys think he sucks

[KYPack]

:

I do smoke the stuff maybe as much as Williams (although less now cos im back in college), but growing up Sanders was my hero. I try to play like him everytime i play football. And regardless of what the Kentucky thinks, I did shut down Darren Charles in HS. However, I lack the prototypical physicality like Sanders to play divison 1, with me being a only 5'9" 170lbs. Plus, i think I only run between 4.5-4.7 on the 40, maybe 5.0. Oh, yeah, Im also white too. I couldve played d3 but, like I said, i;d rather smoke weed.

:oops:

Well Tank,

You are making progress.

You are starting to admit that your exploits as a star cornerback are basically a fantasy.

Tank dreamed up:

his name
his ability
his position
all his exploits
the "fact" that he shut down Darren Charles.

All of this is fine, he just shouldn't post about it like it's a fact.

I don't "think" that you didn't do any of the things you claim, I know so. A friend of mine is involved with Darren Charles high school. I've asked him about the fabled Tank Duke. (I don't know your real name and have no intention of outing you more than revealing the fact that you constantly bullshit about this Darren Charles nonsense) He simply laughed and told me the whole "Tank Duke Superstar" tale is nonsense. No one at either Appleton High School shut down Charles. Charles was a legit major college football prospect who was scouted by major colleges and performed well in all his games.

You were a slow white boy who smoked dope, played computer games and dreamed he could play football, but couldn't do it.

It is a shame that Wisconsin wouldn't give a scholarship to a small white boy who ran a 5.0 40 and didn't play high school football.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Kentucky, I don't think you have ever seen Charles play at any level. The guy is 6 6 but skinny as a skeleton and slow as a turtle. He won a scholarship by playing against inferior talent in the FVC. At Wisconsin, he had all the opportunity in the world to win a starting job. Yet he could never beat out freshmen like Brandon Williams and Jonanathan Orr.

I DID shut him down.

:lol:

[MJZiggy]

Not worried about what Tank did, it's what the Dragons are going to do... :twisted:

[Anti-Polar Bear]

How bout trading a 5th to Detriot for Joey Harrington?

He was cut so we can sign him, but I think our NFC guys think he sucks

I think Harrington is still under contract with the Lions. They are seeking to trade him, unless hes released today and I don't know about it.

[KYPack]

Kentucky, I don't think you have ever seen Charles play at any level. The guy is 6 6 but skinny as a skeleton and slow as a turtle. He won a scholarship by playing against inferior talent in the FVC. At Wisconsin, he had all the opportunity in the world to win a starting job. Yet he could never beat out freshmen like Brandon Williams and Jonanathan Orr.

I DID shut him down.

:lol:

Actually, I saw Charles play quite a bit.

I'm sure he probably drew a lot of interest as a schoolboy, decent speed and good size for a high school prospect.

That said, the guy didn't pan out at the big time college level. He ran inconsistent routes, and showed poor technique in general. He did get a pro tryout last year, although he wasn't signed.

I know you didn't shut him out and I doubt you were even on a high school football team. If you were, you constantly lie about your exploits.

[Deputy Nutz]

Anyways, I agree with you Bretsky, I ain't gonna pass on Bush for all the cheesy puffs in the world.

I just wanted to get some things straight for draft day. No trades, makes it a whole hell of a lot easier. Although I read a disturbing article today in my local sports section written by the AP,


According to league sources, and those close to the New Mexico Dragons front office, team Vice President, and General Manager Bretsky will not be in the War Room Come April 29th. Some Dragron fans my wonder where the head of Football Operations may be, a scheduled surgery for a medical condition? No. Does his youngest daughter have a soccer game? No. Does he have a family reunion to attend to? No. He will be getting intoxicated at a local esablishment, wolfing down peanuts and other bar food while he chugs beer after beer.

This is causing some distress, and has angered a few in the front office of the New Mexico Dragons. One report has Bretsky micro-managing from a bar stool. When we caught up to Director Of College Scouting, Nutz was more optimistic then disheartened by the disappearance of the teams GM on draft day, "I think he just got a little burned out with free agency. He has been crunching numbers and traveling all over the country to take guys out to dinner. He has done just about everything it takes besides offering up his wife to get top noch free agents into the Green and Black. From here on out, it is up to me and Harv to fill the empty roster spots through the draft."

If it was left up to this reporter, Nutz and Harvey should expect a pay raise. This is an unheard of move from a GM. Usually draft day is the GM's day to shine and prosper in the spotlight of their selections, but not for this GM. He will be watching the draft on a dusty TV in an undisclosed location(Bar) .

[MJZiggy]

The team president is then assuming that Mr. Bretsky is buying? And will be notifying me of his selections so I can have all the glamour?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Kentucky, I don't think you have ever seen Charles play at any level. The guy is 6 6 but skinny as a skeleton and slow as a turtle. He won a scholarship by playing against inferior talent in the FVC. At Wisconsin, he had all the opportunity in the world to win a starting job. Yet he could never beat out freshmen like Brandon Williams and Jonanathan Orr.

I DID shut him down.

:lol:

Actually, I saw Charles play quite a bit.

I'm sure he probably drew a lot of interest as a schoolboy, decent speed and good size for a high school prospect.

That said, the guy didn't pan out at the big time college level. He ran inconsistent routes, and showed poor technique in general. He did get a pro tryout last year, although he wasn't signed.

I know you didn't shut him out and I doubt you were even on a high school football team. If you were, you constantly lie about your exploits.

Decent speed??? what the fuck? I can catch Charles by running at half speed. When you are 6 6 and playing against undersized, white cbs, all you have to do is out jump your man. Thats what Charles did on his way to Wisconsin.

I'm an exception, however. I'm pretty athletic. I shut him down.

[Deputy Nutz]

No, The Director of College Scouting and our Consultant Mr. Harvey Wallbangers will be making the selections, and if we feel like it, we will let you know. :wink:

[KYPack]

I'm done here, Tank

Zig wants to keep this a "Dragons only" zone.

[MJZiggy]

So...the Dir. of College Scouting and Cons. are needing a pay cut I see? I was considering a substantial increase, but we need TEAM players in these positions!! :cool:

[HarveyWallbangers]

We get paid? Cool. I'll shoot you my home address, so you can send me my paycheck.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I forgot, but who is running our team in Madden? Was that Mr. T?

[Deputy Nutz]

Hey you gotta problem with the way we run things talk to bretsky, he is our boss, he gave us the go ahead and power, now we are running with it.

I think we need a pay increase, not a decrease! Besides don't you want to be like Bob Harlan? You know let the actual football people do their job and you just sign the checks and over see the organization. Don't you have some turf to sell?

[Deputy Nutz]

And if you keep taking that tone with me, I will let our newly signed defensive backs coach, Tank run the draft. This organization will take decades to recover from that!

[MJZiggy]

Sell it? The field crew is having a hard time GROWING it. It will be fine by our first preseason contest, though.

[MJZiggy]

Help Wanted:

Computer Gamer
The last Dragon thread had a vote in which it was decided to run a Madden simulation of the games instead of keeping track of them Fantasy Football-wise. There was some discussion about how we would run it and who would do it.

As the last thread is gone, I don't know who decided to take the task on in its entirety. This means setting it up and running the simulaitons during the season.

Mr. T is willing to help, but cannot take on the entire task. If you are interested, please report to Zig. If no one is found to handle these duties, we will revert to doing this like a Fantasy team.

Thank you.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

MJ, i have madden for ps2 and can create the team if the task hasnt been given to Mr. T. One can create an expensan club with that game, although u have to replace one of the current team. Which division is the Dragons in?

[MJZiggy]

The last we spoke of it on CE, I was under the impression that everyone wanted to take over the Saints schedule, but there was some problem with that. Can you make a custom schedule for it? Mr. T was going to be the consultant on the project, but I got the feeling he didn't want to take the whole thing on himself. Mr. T, please correct me if I'm wrong. The other thing that we were interested in doing and not sure if it were possible was to attach the ps/2 to the internet or record the game so those who were interested could watch it. Please let me know what can be done and we'll check with Mr. T to find out the level of involvement he is interested in having. He and I spoke of it, but I didn't write it on my notes.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I'm not a computer geek, so i dont know if we can broadcast the game live over the Internet. It might be possible however to record each game (though I dont know how), but to show them over the internet, you'll need a large amount of memory or storage space (not sure which; dont know where to find it online). Uploading large files online is also time consuming. However, you can probably cut the file into smaller parts and post them through multiple files.

Again, im not a computer geek so im not 100% sure how stuff like this work.

[MJZiggy]

Do we have any computer geeks to help us with this project?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Do we have any computer geeks to help us with this project?

Wallbangers seems to know a lot about computer....

As a last resort, and only as a last resort, we can probably broadcast the game live through webcams using Instant Messager providers such as AOL, Yahoo or MSN. All you have do is buy a webcom and give your screenname to the person whose willing to broadcast the game. With his/her webcom, that person would record it like hes recording an event using a video camera. For example, if you are using a console like ps2/xbox/game cube/etc., you can "shoot" at a tv screen that has the game on with your web com and broadcast it to anyone who have your screenname (works best with broadband or fast DSL interent servers).

Picture probably wont be good but at least it would give you an idea of whats happening. just a suggestion.

[MJZiggy]

Now that's a new idea no one's suggested yet.

[MJZiggy]

What's going on with the draft? Who are we going to choose?

[Deputy Nutz]

Right now our head of financial operations is discussing contract terms with one Reggie Bush. If a contract can be worked out before April 29th he is going to be the New Mexico Dragon's number one selection.

[MJZiggy]

I took a daytrip to DC today and while sitting in the sun on the steps to the Lincoln memorial, this kid ran by (I kid you not) wearing a Dragons Football t-shirt. I wanted to snap a picture of him but figured his mother would probably see me and smash my camera or something.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

nevermind

[Bretsky]

Right now our head of financial operations is discussing contract terms with one Reggie Bush. If a contract can be worked out before April 29th he is going to be the New Mexico Dragon's number one selection.

Sorry haven't been around much, but in reality, I haven't had much time and am entrusting full authority to Nutz and Harvey for the draft....as long as they don't have over reigns solely to Tank :)

The rumor is only partially true; it is very likely on Draft Day Bretsky may be setting up shop at the Atrium in Green Bay watching the draft while setting us House at Curly's Pub for the brewski's.

Cheers,
The All Trusting GM.

[Deputy Nutz]

Our negotiator is having a harder time than expected in dealing with Reggie Bush and his Agent. So far they are requesting a 7year contract in the neighborhood of 69 million dollars with close to 26 million of that in guarantees. In my opinion this is going to be a bit difficult.

[Bretsky]

Our negotiator is having a harder time than expected in dealing with Reggie Bush and his Agent. So far they are requesting a 7year contract in the neighborhood of 69 million dollars with close to 26 million of that in guarantees. In my opinion this is going to be a bit difficult.

We NEED to get Reggie Bush down here and have our cheerleaders aka hot escorts whine and dine him for a full week or until he figures out he can't live without the Dragon grails

[Fosco33]

From the rumor mill....

In his first news conference as the Dragons' quarterback, Daunte Culpepper said he might not be ready to start the season. Culpepper said he is running straight ahead but not making cuts yet. He is trying to strengthen his knee with ``squats, leg extensions, leg curls, things like that.''
-- ABQ Herald

[Deputy Nutz]

Well I talked to Gary Barnett and he has decided to take care of Reggie Bush for the weekend.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Nutz,

I've started my draft board. I'll get you what I have later tonight. I can maintain the board if you like it, but you will have final say.

[Tarlam!]

OY :shock: M U C K !!!!!

You damned white collar types! Post 6 pages and I only this minute register it!!!

MUCK to all of youz. You so badly suck, I wanna root for the damned Packers! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Muck it!!!! Get your fans on board. Why should I be a fan??? Gimme a reason!

M U C K :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

[Deputy Nutz]

The fan is drunk again.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Nutz,

DeAngelo Williams or LenDale White or Laurence Maroney as the next RB after Bush?

Williams is small and not really fast, but he has been a workhorse, has great moves, and can catch the ball.

White is a big back who played great on tape, but his workout numbers are bad and their is questions about his work ethic (and I think character). The dude is 244 pounds, but he only bench pressed 225 15 times. That's 10 fewer reps than Reggie Bush.

A lot of folks on here don't like Maroney much, but I think he's for real. I think he's better than Marion Barber--who had a good rookie year with Dallas. He has the frame to get to 225 pounds, he's fast, has great cutback ability, and he can catch the ball.

[MJZiggy]

The fan is drunk again.But at least things feel normal. Now where are the other two?

[Tarlam!]

The fan is drunk again.


On my bio I include "experimenting on new hangover cures" in my hobbies list. Is this a bad thing?

[Little Whiskey]

don't worry i'm still here. the one poking fun at the drunk fan. you know egging him on to start a fight with the county sheriffs at the game. then laugh your ass off when they drag him out with a billy club wrapped around his head.

[Little Whiskey]

i haven't seen kiwon around lately we need balance

[Deputy Nutz]

Nutz,

DeAngelo Williams or LenDale White or Laurence Maroney as the next RB after Bush?

Williams is small and not really fast, but he has been a workhorse, has great moves, and can catch the ball.

White is a big back who played great on tape, but his workout numbers are bad and their is questions about his work ethic (and I think character). The dude is 244 pounds, but he only bench pressed 225 15 times. That's 10 fewer reps than Reggie Bush.

A lot of folks on here don't like Maroney much, but I think he's for real. I think he's better than Marion Barber--who had a good rookie year with Dallas. He has the frame to get to 225 pounds, he's fast, has great cutback ability, and he can catch the ball.

Williams doesn't have 4.3 speed, but he did run a legit 4.43 with the wind and a 4.48 against the wind on his pro day. He has plenty of speed to take it the distance. He is a good character guy. My only concern about DeAngelo is that he has taken a beating over the last 4 years in college. The guy was a work horse for the Tigers and I think it might cut his pro career short.

LenDale White is a football player. Even though he knows how to play the game his motivation to stay in shape throughout the year is a question mark that is going to stay with him his whole career. He goes hard on game day, but has little will power when not being monitored. Right now unless he would do a private workout for some team, and that team has the inside track on him, I think he is the fourth back, he might not be the fourth back taken, but he is falling off a lot of teams 1st round draft boards.

Lawrence Maroney is a darn good runner both between the tackles and he has the speed to kick it outside and make a break to the sideline. If I was a team like the Broncos I would be targeting with both the 15th and the 22nd. He has really good vision and ability to hit the hole. A couple of knocks on him, is one, he hasn't been the featured back, he has always split time with someone else, and the problem with that is the other backs that he splits time with usually put up similar numbers to Maroney and this brings up the question whether it is the player or it is the system that is creating the player. Some have questioned Maroney's toughness as a football player, and I tend to disagree with those thoughts. He has played through nagging injurings, especially when some would take a couple of weeks off for a sprained ankle or a deep thigh bruise.

I think Williams will go ahead of Maroney but with running backs it is really hard to tell, because teams take running backs based on personal preference, and not so much pure numbers. If it was up to Denver to pick either Williams or Maroney they would probably pick Maroney, while the Jets would take Williams. The dark horse in this debate is White, because he didn't post any numbers at the combine or his teams pro day.

With all that being said, here is how I rank the running backs that will go between round one and round three.

1. Reggie Bush
2. DeAngelo Williams
3. Lawrence Maroney
4. LenDale White
5. Brian Calhoun
6. Joseph Addai
7. Maurice Drew

[HarveyWallbangers]

1. Reggie Bush
2. DeAngelo Williams
3. Lawrence Maroney
4. LenDale White
5. Brian Calhoun
6. Joseph Addai
7. Maurice Drew

Here was my initial top 10 for RBs:

1. Reggie Bush
2. DeAngelo Williams
3. Laurence Maroney
4. LenDale White
5. Joseph Addai
6. Jerious Norwood
7. Brian Calhoun
8. Maurice Drew
9. Jerome Harrison
10. Leon Washington

[HarveyWallbangers]

Should I create a seperate thread to discuss the draft board, so it doesn't get lost in this thread--which happened with FA?

[Deputy Nutz]

You can go back and find my official draft thread and we can continue it there otherwise you can make another offical draft thread.

[MJZiggy]

The Charred Flesh was sinking. It needed rescuing.

[MJZiggy]

Is there anything new going on in scouting? I'm not thrilled about this whole Culpepper not being ready idea. What's the game plan until he's ready?

[Bretsky]

Is there anything new going on in scouting? I'm not thrilled about this whole Culpepper not being ready idea. What's the game plan until he's ready?

Brian Griese

[Bretsky]

1. Reggie Bush
2. DeAngelo Williams
3. Lawrence Maroney
4. LenDale White
5. Brian Calhoun
6. Joseph Addai
7. Maurice Drew

Here was my initial top 10 for RBs:

1. Reggie Bush
2. DeAngelo Williams
3. Laurence Maroney
4. LenDale White
5. Joseph Addai
6. Jerious Norwood
7. Brian Calhoun
8. Maurice Drew
9. Jerome Harrison
10. Leon Washington


I've noticed lately more and more ratinngs have Calhoun moving up to the #5 position after White. Pass receiving wise this guy sticks out.

[MJZiggy]

I thought White's stock fell apart after it was announced he has a tear...

[Deputy Nutz]

I still think that White will go in the first round, especially if he does well on some visits and shows teams that he is still staying in shape. He doesn't need surrgery which is a really good thing.

Griese is the option right now if Culpepper doesn't make it, infact I am more comfortable with Griese running this young team than I am with Culpeeeper, but don't tell Bretsky that, I am only supposed to be handling the college scouting.

[MJZiggy]

So who are we looking at in the later rounds? What do we still need?

[HarveyWallbangers]

I thought White's stock fell apart after it was announced he has a tear...

No way does Calhoun go before Addai. Addai is a complete back who has the size to play four downs. I see Calhoun as a change of pace, third down back.

[imscott72]

I thought White's stock fell apart after it was announced he has a tear...

No way does Calhoun go before Addai. Addai is a complete back who has the size to play four downs. I see Calhoun as a change of pace, third down back.

Sounds like White has gotten lazy. His stock will fall and for good reason. I say we stay away. Sounds like another Cledius to me. I also think the kid from Minny is the real deal.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The QB draftboard that I compiled. This isn't Nutz's board. He'll make all final decisions, but I thought I'd throw out each position, and people can throw their two cents in--not that Nutz will listen. I'll roll out each position as I can.



A B C D E F G H I J K L
1 Matt Leinart, USC 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1.40
2 Vince Young, Texas 1 2 2 2 3 3 2 2 3 1.60
3 Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt 3 3 3 3 2 1 3 3 2 3.00
4 Charlie Whitehurst, Clemson 4 6 5 5 6 7 4 4 4.90
5 Brodie Croyle, Alabama 5 5 4 6 4 8 6 4 5 5.00
6 Kellen Clemens, Oregon 8 7 8 7 5 10 8 5 7.55
7 Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green 10 4 7 4 5 5 6.85
8 Reggie McNeal, Texas A&M 11 8 9 8 4 9 9.35
9 Bruce Gradkowski, Toledo 12 9 10 10 8 6 7 10.50
10 Tarvaris Jackson, Alabama State 6 13 16 15 9 10.95
11 D.J. Shockley, Georgia 9 11 6 17 10.35
12 Darrell Hackney, UAB 7 15 14 9 7 10 10.75
13 Brett Basanez, Northwestern 13 17 12 11 13.75
14 Paul Pinegar, Fresno State 14 12 18 16 14.30
15 Erik Meyer, Eastern Washington 16 19 13 13 16.00
16 Marcus Vick, Virginia Tech 15 16 17 12 9 15.15
17 Ingle Martin, Furman 19 14 11 19 16.30
18 Drew Olson, UCLA 21 10 22 18 17.40
19 Barrick Nealy, Texas State 17 18 20 14 17.30
20 Bruce Eugene, Grambling State 18 20 19 20 10 19.05
21 Brett Elliott, Linfield College 22 21 15 20 20.35
22 Matt Baker, North Carolina 20 22 21 21 20.90


The columns are:
A My Rank
B Player, College
C PFW Rank
D ESPN Rank
E Fox Sports Rank
F NFL Draft Countdown Rank (from a former scout)
G Dallas Morning New's Rick Gosselin's Rank
H PPO Rank
I KFAN Rank
J Mel Kiper's Rank
K CBS SportsLine's Rank
L Weighted Total of the first four sites.

[HarveyWallbangers]

This is the Value Board I have for QBs. This gives us a good idea of when we'd want to draft each player.

1st Round
1 Matt Leinart, USC
2 Vince Young, Texas
3 Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt

2nd Round
4 Charlie Whitehurst, Clemson

3rd Round
5 Brodie Croyle, Alabama
6 Kellen Clemens, Oregon
7 Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green

4th Round
8 Reggie McNeal, Texas A&M
9 Bruce Gradkowski, Toledo
10 Tarvaris Jackson, Alabama State

5th Round
11 D.J. Shockley, Georgia
12 Darrell Hackney, UAB

6th Round
13 Brett Basanez, Northwestern
14 Paul Pinegar, Fresno State
15 Erik Meyer, Eastern Washington

7th Round
16 Marcus Vick, Virginia Tech
17 Ingle Martin, Furman
18 Drew Olson, UCLA
19 Barrick Nealy, Texas State

Free Agent
20 Bruce Eugene, Grambling State
21 Brett Elliott, Linfield College
22 Matt Baker, North Carolina

[MJZiggy]

I notice you have Young above Cutler. Do you think that Young is better suited to a WCO?

[HarveyWallbangers]

I notice you have Young above Cutler. Do you think that Young is better suited to a WCO?

I was actually close to putting Young above Leinart, but didn't. We won't get either, so it wasn't much of a consideration. I think Cutler is overhyped after watching him workout at the combine. I think his accuracy is a little questionable--which wouldn't be a good thing for the WCO either.

[Partial]

wow, you guys are thorough!

[MJZiggy]

And we need help. We still have coaching positions open. Need a "job?"

[HarveyWallbangers]

So, we are in agreement on the QBs?
:D

RBs



1 Reggie Bush, USC 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1.00
2 DeAngelo Williams, Memphis 3 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 3 2.55
3 Laurence Maroney, Minnesota 2 4 4 4 3 5 3 3 2 3.20
4 LenDale White, USC 4 3 2 3 4 4 4 4 5 3.25
5 Joseph Addai, LSU 5 5 5 5 5 3 5 5.00
6 Brian Calhoun, Wisconsin 6 6 9 7 9 8 6 5 6.60
7 Maurice Drew, UCLA 10 7 7 6 6 6 8 4 8.05
8 Jerious Norwood, Mississippi State 7 10 8 8 7 7 7 8.20
9 Leon Washington, Florida State 8 8 12 9 10 9 8.75
10 Jerome Harrison, Washington State 11 9 6 13 8 9.95
11 Andre Hall, South Florida 9 11 13 12 10 10.65
12 Wali Lundy, Virginia 20 14 14 10 15.80
13 Gerald Riggs, Tennessee 16 13 21 16 9 15.85
14 DonTrell Moore, New Mexico 14 17 10 11 13.85
15 Wendell Mathis, Fresno State 13 12 22 19 14.95
16 PJ Daniels, Georgia Tech 12 18 16 21 15.75
17 Taurean Henderson, Oregon 15 19 17 14 16.35
18 Mike Bell, Arizona 17 22 11 15 17.30
19 Cedric Humes, Virginia Tech 18 16 20 17 17.55
20 Quinton Ganther, Utah 21 23 15 18 20.25
21 Derrick Ross, Tarleton State 22 20 23 23 21.70
22 Cory Ross, Nebraska 23 15 24 24 20.90
23 Terrence Whitehead, Oregon 27 21 18 20 22.80
24 Arliss Beach, Kentucky 19 27 25 25 23.20
25 Ryan Gilbert, Houston 25 24 27 22 24.55
26 Patrick Cobbs, North Texas 24 25 26 26 24.90
27 Chris Taylor, Indiana 26 26 19 27 25.10

[HarveyWallbangers]

RB Value Board:

1st Round
1 Reggie Bush, USC
2 DeAngelo Williams, Memphis
3 Laurence Maroney, Minnesota
4 LenDale White, USC

2nd Round
5 Joseph Addai, LSU
6 Brian Calhoun, Wisconsin

3rd Round
7 Maurice Drew, UCLA
8 Jerious Norwood, Mississippi State
9 Leon Washington, Florida State

4th Round
10 Jerome Harrison, Washington State
11 Andre Hall, South Florida

5th Round
12 Wali Lundy, Virginia
13 Gerald Riggs, Tennessee
14 DonTrell Moore, New Mexico
15 Wendell Mathis, Fresno State
16 PJ Daniels, Georgia Tech

6th Round
17 Taurean Henderson, Oregon
18 Mike Bell, Arizona
19 Cedric Humes, Virginia Tech

7th Round
20 Quinton Ganther, Utah
21 Derrick Ross, Tarleton State
22 Cory Ross, Nebraska
23 Terrence Whitehead, Oregon

Free Agent
24 Arliss Beach, Kentucky
25 Ryan Gilbert, Houston
26 Patrick Cobbs, North Texas
27 Chris Taylor, Indiana

[HarveyWallbangers]

FBs



1 Lawrence Vickers, Colorado 1 2 1 2 1 1 3 1.45
2 Garret Mills, Tulsa 2 1 6 1 2 1 3 1 2.15
3 Matt Bernstein, Wisconsin 5 3 7 3 4 4 4.40
4 David Kirtman, USC 4 7 2 8 2 4 5.20
5 Quadtrine Hill, Miami (Fla) 3 6 8 5 3 2 4.95
6 Gilbert Harris, Arizona 6 4 4 7 5 5 5.25
7 JD Runnels, Oklahoma 8 5 5 6 5 6.35
8 Naufahu Tahi, BYU 7 8 3 4 6.25

[HarveyWallbangers]

FB Value Board:

4th Round
1 Lawrence Vickers, Colorado

5th Round
2 Garret Mills, Tulsa

6th Round
3 Matt Bernstein, Wisconsin
4 David Kirtman, USC
5 Quadtrine Hill, Miami (Fla)

7th Round
6 Gilbert Harris, Arizona
7 JD Runnels, Oklahoma

Free Agent
8 Naufahu Tahi, BYU

[HarveyWallbangers]

WRs



1 Chad Jackson, Florida 1 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 2 1.60
2 Santonio Holmes, Ohio State 2 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 1 1.40
3 Sinorice Moss, Miami (Fla) 3 3 3 3 3 3 5 3 5 3.00
4 Maurice Stovall, Notre Dame 4 4 4 7 7 4 3 5 4.45
5 Demetrius Williams, Oregon 5 9 5 5 6 8 6 3 6.20
6 Greg Jennings, Western Michigan 6 8 6 10 4 4 7.20
7 Derek Hagan, Arizona State 10 6 9 4 5 7 4 4 7.75
8 Travis Wilson, Oklahoma 9 7 7 17 8 7 9.30
9 Jason Avant, Michigan 12 5 11 8 9 10 9 9.15
10 Devin Aromashodu, Auburn 15 12 25 12 5 8 15.15
11 Mike Hass, Oregon State 13 16 8 14 13.30
12 Brandon Williams, Wisconsin 17 11 12 21 10 15.05
13 Brandon Marshall, Central Florida 8 21 35 18 17.45
14 Greg Lee, Pittsburgh 19 10 21 9 15.10
15 Michael Robinson, Penn State 7 22 27 36 18.85
16 Martin Nance, Miami (Ohio) 18 13 18 6 10 14.70
17 Jonathan Orr, Wisconsin 24 15 13 16 18.45
18 Jeff Webb, San Diego State 20 20 10 15 17.75
19 Todd Watkins, BYU 22 14 16 19 18.25
20 Brad Smith, Missouri 11 25 39 24 21.35
21 Hank Baskett, New Mexico 25 17 17 13 9 19.60
22 Delanie Walker, Central Missouri 14 29 20 27 21.35
23 Skyler Green, LSU 31 18 15 28 6 24.25
24 Willie Reid, Florida State 16 43 14 20 24.40
25 Ben Obomano, Auburn 38 26 19 11 27.50
26 Jeremy Bloom, Colorado 21 39 40 26 30.00
27 Cory Rodgers, TCU 26 27 32 22 26.60
28 Anthony Mix, Auburn 23 30 29 40 28.55
29 Miles Austin, Monmouth 36 24 36 29 31.35
30 Marques Colston, Hofstra 33 34 31 23 31.50
31 Jovon Bouknight, Wyoming 42 19 28 34 31.80
32 Chris Hannon, Tennessee 30 36 34 32 32.70
33 David Anderson, Colorado State 40 28 24 30 32.50
34 Adam Jennings, Fresno State 41 23 33 35 33.50
35 Chris Francies, UTEP 27 41 38 41 34.95
36 Clinton Solomon, Iowa 37 33 26 37 34.15
37 Domenik Hixon, Akron 32 37 41 25 33.80
38 Ed Hinkel, Iowa 39 35 30 33 35.55
39 Joshua Tinch, Louisville 35 40 23 42 35.75
40 Damarius Bilbo, Georgia Tech 43 31 22 38 35.50
41 Brian Clark, Benedict College 29 42 43 43 37.10
42 Marques Hagans, Virginia 34 38 42 39 37.15
43 Nichiren Flowers, Nevada 44 32 37 31 37.40
44 Danny Melendez, Maryland 28 44 44 44 37.60

[HarveyWallbangers]

WR Value Board:

1st Round
1 Chad Jackson, Florida
2 Santonio Holmes, Ohio State

2nd Round
3 Sinorice Moss, Miami (Fla)
4 Maurice Stovall, Notre Dame
5 Demetrius Williams, Oregon
6 Greg Jennings, Western Michigan
7 Derek Hagan, Arizona State

3rd Round
8 Travis Wilson, Oklahoma
9 Jason Avant, Michigan
10 Devin Aromashodu, Auburn
11 Mike Hass, Oregon State

4th Round
12 Brandon Williams, Wisconsin
13 Brandon Marshall, Central Florida
14 Greg Lee, Pittsburgh
15 Michael Robinson, Penn State
16 Martin Nance, Miami (Ohio)

5th Round
17 Jonathan Orr, Wisconsin
18 Jeff Webb, San Diego State
19 Todd Watkins, BYU
20 Brad Smith, Missouri
21 Hank Baskett, New Mexico
22 Delanie Walker, Central Missouri State

6th Round
23 Skyler Green, LSU
24 Willie Reid, Florida State
25 Ben Obomano, Auburn
26 Jeremy Bloom, Colorado
27 Cory Rodgers, TCU
28 Anthony Mix, Auburn
29 Miles Austin, Monmouth
30 Marques Colston, Hofstra
31 Jovon Bouknight, Wyoming

7th Round
32 Chris Hannon, Tennessee
33 David Anderson, Colorado State
34 Adam Jennings, Fresno State
35 Chris Francies, UTEP
36 Clinton Solomon, Iowa
37 Domenik Hixon, Akron
38 Ed Hinkel, Iowa
39 Joshua Tinch, Louisville

Free Agent
40 Damarius Bilbo, Georgia Tech
41 Brian Clark, Benedict College
42 Marques Hagans, Virginia
43 Nichiren Flowers, Nevada
44 Danny Melendez, Maryland

[HarveyWallbangers]

TEs



1 Vernon Davis, Maryland 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1.00
2 Marcedes Lewis, UCLA 2 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 2.60
3 Leonard Pope, Georgia 3 2 2 2 4 4 3 3 3 2.40
4 Anthony Fasano, Notre Dame 5 5 6 5 3 5 5 5 5.15
5 Joe Klopfenstein, Colorado 4 6 4 6 5 6 4 4 4.90
6 Dominique Byrd, USC 9 4 5 4 9 3 7 4 6.15
7 David Thomas, Texas 6 8 9 10 8 7 8 5 7.65
8 Tony Scheffler, Western Michigan 7 9 7 8 6 6 7.75
9 Owen Daniels, Wisconsin 8 7 11 11 10 9 8.60
10 TJ Williams, North Carolina A&T 10 11 12 7 7 9 10.15
11 Tim Day, Oregon 11 10 8 9 8 10 9.95
12 Jason Pociask, Wisconsin 12 18 15 17 10 15.00
13 Jeff King, Virginia Tech 13 13 10 12 12.40
14 Quinn Sypnieswki, Colorado 14 15 16 14 14.60
15 Charles Davis, Purdue 18 12 14 16 15.30
16 Cooper Wallace, Auburn 17 16 13 13 15.50
17 Troy Bienemann, Washington State 19 14 17 15 16.60
18 Daniel Fells, California-Davis 16 17 19 18 17.05
19 Bristol Olomua, Texas Tech 15 19 18 19 17.25

[HarveyWallbangers]

TE Value Board:

1st Round
1 Vernon Davis, Maryland

2nd Round
2 Marcedes Lewis, UCLA
3 Leonard Pope, Georgia
4 Anthony Fasano, Notre Dame
5 Joe Klopfenstein, Colorado

3rd Round
6 Dominique Byrd, USC
7 David Thomas, Texas

4th Round
8 Tony Scheffler, Western Michigan
9 Owen Daniels, Wisconsin

5th Round
10 TJ Williams, North Carolina A&T
11 Tim Day, Oregon

6th Round
12 Jason Pociask, Wisconsin
13 Jeff King, Virginia Tech
14 Quinn Sypnieswki, Colorado

7th Round
15 Charles Davis, Purdue
16 Cooper Wallace, Auburn

Free Agent
17 Troy Bienemann, Washington State
18 Daniel Fells, California-Davis
19 Bristol Olomua, Texas Tech

[Charles Woodson]

Are we set for the draft for the dragons?

[Deputy Nutz]

I just finished my value board for the whole draft, for every position. I think that we are pretty much set.

We have pretty much inked Reggie Bush, the #1 prospect in this draft. The second is where it is going to get a little tricky.

Hay Harvey, you gonna be around on Saturday?

[MJZiggy]

Don't we have two first-round picks? We were following Houston's expansion schedule (I believe). Here's where it would make life easier if we could just go back and dig the conversation up.

[MJZiggy]

Never mind. I looked it up. We have the 1st pick in Rd. 1. Then the 1st and 18th in all the rest of the rounds.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I just finished my value board for the whole draft, for every position. I think that we are pretty much set.

We have pretty much inked Reggie Bush, the #1 prospect in this draft. The second is where it is going to get a little tricky.

Hay Harvey, you gonna be around on Saturday?

No. I may be in and out, but I have a baby to attend to, and then I'll be going to a family gathering in the afternoon.

[Deputy Nutz]

I don't like that one bit.


Bretsky, you gonna be on the computer ready to announce the picks like a good little GM.

I will of course PM you and then you can post. I don't want the heat if its a shtty pick.

[Bretsky]

I don't like that one bit.


Bretsky, you gonna be on the computer ready to announce the picks like a good little GM.

I will of course PM you and then you can post. I don't want the heat if its a shtty pick.


I THOUGHT I WAS AT A BAR ???

No, despite the ESPN rumors, I should be around. Are you going to PM me the picks about the time we are up ?

[Deputy Nutz]

Yea, the pick will come in when Houston goes on the clock, and every 18th pick in each round after the 1st.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Nutz,

Do you want a finalized draft board from me? I've updated my draftboard quite a bit. It should be finalized this afternoon.

[Bretsky]

Nutz,

Do you want a finalized draft board from me? I've updated my draftboard quite a bit. It should be finalized this afternoon.

Can you pm me board too ?

[Deputy Nutz]

I have to finish my seventh round. I will post it here and then PM you both a copy.

[Tarlam!]

Well, MUCK THIS TEAM! :shock: :?: :shock: :?: :shock:

You bums are really gonna pick ol Bush. Make a trade you dipsticks!
Do the fans have to do EVERYTHING around this sick sad joint! :shock: :shock: :shock:

HOY - I'M TALKING TO YOU!!!

Listen, by the first round tomorrow, I will not even be able to typre straight, Johnnie and I will be WEELL acquainted by then!

JUST DON'T FLICK up the draft.

Total waste of air.... :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

[Deputy Nutz]

VALUE BOARD
RD 1

QB
Matt Leinart
Vince Yound
Jay Cutler

RB
Reggie Bush
DeAngelo Williams
Lawrence Maroney

FB
0

WR
Santonio Holmes
Chad Jackson

TE
Vernon Davis
Leonard Pope
Mercedes Lewis

OT
D’Brickshaw Ferguson
Winston Justice
Marcus McNeill
Eric Winston

OG
Davin Joseph

C
Nick Mangold

DE
Mario Williams
Tamba Hali

DT
Haloti Ngata
Brodrick Bunkely
Gabe Watson

OLB
AJ Hawk
Chad Greenway
Ernie Sims
Bobby Carpenter
Manny Lawson
Demeco Ryans

MLB
0

CB
Ty Hill
Jimmy Williams
Antonio Cromartie
Jonathan Joseph
Ashton Youboty

S
Micheal Huff
Donte Whitner
Jason Allen
Daniel Bullocks
RD 2

QB
Kelly Clemons
Charlie Whitehurst

RB
Lendale White
Joseph Addai
Brian Calhoun
Maurice Drew

FB
0

WR
Derek Hagan

TE
Dominique Byrd
Joe Klopefenstein
Anthony Fasano

OT
Daryn Colledge

OG
Charles Spencer

C
0

DE
Mathias Kiwanuka
Ray Edwards

DT
Johnathan Lewis
John McCargo
Orien Harris

OLB
Kamerion Wimbley
Thomas Howard
Roger MacIntosh
Spencer Havner

MLB
Abdul Hodge
DeQwell Jackson

CB
Richard Marshall
Kelly Jennings
Cedric Griffin
Daniel Manning
Demario Minter

S
Darnell Bing
Ko Simpson
Pat Watkins







RD 3

QB
Brodie Croyle
Reggie McNeil

RB
Jerious Norwood
Leon Washington
Wali Lundy

FB
0

WR
Martin Nance
Hank Baskett
Maurice Stovall
Demetrius Williams
Jason Avant

TE
Tony Scheffler
David Thomas
Anthony Mix

OT
Jonathan Scott
Andrew Whitworth
Ryan O’Callahan
Jeremy Trueblood
Zach Strief

OG
Max Jean Gillies
Isaac Sowells
Taitusi Lutui
Fred Matua

C
Greg Eslinger
Ryan Cook
Chris Chester

DE
Mark Anderson
Darryl Tapp
Victor Adeyanju

DT
Rodique Wright
Jesse Mahelona
Dusty Dvorarek
Kyle Williams
Barry Coefield

OLB
Clint Ingram


MLB
Gerris Wilkerson
Leon Williams
Tim Dobbins

CB
Dee Webb
David Pittman
Alan Zemaitis
Devin Hester
Will Blackmon
Marcus Maxey

S
Roman Harper
Bernard Pollard
Antoine Bethea
Greg Blue
Anthony Smith

RD 4

QB
Darrell Hackney
Vruce Gradkowski
Travaris Jackson
Paul Pinger

RB
Jerome Harrison
Mike Bell
Andre Hall
Gerald Riggs Jr.

FB
Quadtrine Hill

WR
Greg Jennings
Devin Aromashodu
Ben Obomanu
Travis Williams
Brandon Williams

TE
TJ. Williams
Tim Day
Owen Daniels
Cooper Wallace

OT
Paul McQuistan
Joe Toledo
Guy Whimper

OG
Chris Kuper
Jason Spitz
Rob Sims
Kevin Boothe

C
Mike Degory
Patrick Ross

DE
Chris Gocong
Stanely McClover
Elvis Dumervil
Julian Jenkins

DT
Claude Wroten
Montavious Stanely
Babatunde Oshinowo

OLB
Jon Alston
Terna Nande
Omar Gather
AJ Nicholson

MLB
0

CB
Anwar Phillips
Tim Jennings
Darrell Hunter

S
Marcus Hudson
Calvin Lowery



RD 5

QB
Omar Jacobs
Marcus Vick
Barrick Nealy
Brad Smith
Drew Olsen
Ingle Martin

RB
Cedric Humes
Quinton Gather
Wnedall Mathis

FB
Garrett Mills
Lawerence Vickers
Matt Bernstein

WR
Jonathan Orr
Mike Haas
Brandon Marshall
Todd Watkins
Micheal Robinson

TE
Jeff King

OT
Rashad Butler
Jeromy Clary

OG
Mark Setterstrom
Adam Stenavich
Jahri Evans

C
Marvin Phillip

DE
Eric Henderson
Ryan Lacasse
James Wyche
Mike Kudla

DT
Claude Wroten
Titus Adams
Le Kevin Smith
Tommy Jackson

OLB
Jamar Williams
Cameron Vaughn

MLB
Tim McGarigle
Anthony Schlegle
Kai Parham

CB
Charles Gordon
Derrick Martin
Gerrick McPherson

S
Greg Threat
Calvin Lowery
Jahmile Addae
Nate Salley

RD 6

QB
DJ Shockley
Josh Betts
Kent Smith
Quinton Porter

RB
Taurean Henderson
Terrence Whitehead
Ryan Gilbert
Chris Barclay
De’Arrius Howard

FB
Rashon Powers-Neal
JD Runnels

WR
Willie Reid
Domenik Hixon
Jeremy Bloom
Skyler Green

TE
Cooper Wallace
Quinn Sypniewski
Darcy Johnson

OT
Micheal Toudouze
Brad Butler
Dennis Roland
Donald Penn

OG
Will Allen
Aldo De la Garza
Dan Stevenson
Willie Colon

C
Donovan Raiola

DE
Parys Haralson
Jeremy Mincey
Frostee Rucker
Copeland Bryan

DT
Manaia Brown
Steve Fifita
Domata Peko
Jonny Jolley


OLB
Omar Gaither
Stephen Tulloch
Brandon Johnson
William Kershaw
Keith Ellison

MLB
Freddie Roach
Trent Bray

CB
Dion Byrum
Josh Lay
Drew Coleman
Eric Bassey

S
Jarrad Page
Dawan Landry
Charlie Peprah

RD 7

QB
Brett Basanez
Eric Meyer
Travis Lulay
Bruce Eugene

RB
PJ Pope
Derrick Ross
Damien Rhodes
PJ Daniels

FB
David Kirtman
Naufahu Tahi
Shawn Willis

WR
Troy Bergeron
Miles Austin
Drouzon Quillen
Chris Hannon
Sean Coffey

TE
Tim Massaquoi
Jason Poziask
Troy Bienemann

OT
Troy Reddick
Mark Levoir
Albert Toeaina

OG
Matt Lentz
Tre’ Stallings
Rob Smith
Cody Douglas

C
Grayling Loving

DE
Devon Long
Mathew Rice
Darrell Adams
Ben Ishola
Moe Thompson
Charles Bennett

DT
Larry Dribbles
Gerald Anderson
Sir Henry Anderson
Steve Williams

OLB
Travis Williams
Will Derting
Anthony Trucks

MLB
William Freeman
Aaron Harris
Chad Anderson

CB
TJ Rushing
Harrison Smith
Cletus Gordan

S
Scott Ware
Willie Andrews
Eric Smith

[Tarlam!]

O.K.

So, ARE YOU DIPPIES gonna trade outta one??? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

[MJZiggy]

We can't Tarlam. It was decided that trading would be impossible because we'd never know if teams in real life would accept our trade offers.

[Tarlam!]

We can't Tarlam. It was decided that trading would be impossible because we'd never know if teams in real life would accept our trade offers.

That reeks of bureaucracy, my favourite thing in the whole world to hate - right after pedophiles!

When will you people finally understand, we have a future franchise to run. If we don't perform, New Mexico will face the drear of NBA and NBL for centuries to come. A whole state of the Union is flaying itself upon you "Don't let Puerto Ric beat us again"

And, you do nothing.... :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

[MJZiggy]

Say hi to Johnnie for me.

[Deputy Nutz]

No Trades.

Sorry drunk fan.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Great job on the value board, Draft Expert. If you don't mind, I'll give you a little feedback. I'll go position by position. I'll post my value board. I'm not going to fight over small rankings differentials, but I'll argue for or against some guys.

[HarveyWallbangers]

QB

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

Matt Leinart (RD 1)
Vince Young (RD 1)
Jay Cutler (RD 1)
Kelly Clemons (RD 2)
Charlie Whitehurst (RD 2)
Brodie Croyle (RD 3)
Reggie McNeil (RD 3)
Darrell Hackney (RD 4)
Bruce Gradkowski (RD 4)
Travaris Jackson (RD 4)
Paul Pinger (RD 4)
Omar Jacobs (RD 5)
Marcus Vick (RD 5)
Barrick Nealy (RD 5)
Brad Smith (RD 5)
Drew Olsen (RD 5)
Ingle Martin (RD 5)
DJ Shockley (RD 6)
Josh Betts (RD 6)
Kent Smith (RD 6)
Quinton Porter (RD 6)
Brett Basanez (RD 7)
Eric Meyer (RD 7)
Travis Lulay (RD 7)
Bruce Eugene (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 Vince Young, Early 1st
2 Matt Leinart, Early 1st
3 Jay Cutler, Mid 1st
4 Charlie Whitehurst, Late 2nd
5 Kellen Clemens, Early 3rd
6 Brodie Croyle, Mid 3rd
7 Reggie McNeal, Early 4th
8 Tarvaris Jackson, Mid 4th
9 Omar Jacobs, Early 5th
10 Bruce Gradkowski, Late 5th
11 Darrell Hackney, Early 6th
12 D.J. Shockley, Late 6th
13 Erik Meyer, Early 7th
14 Brett Basanez, Mid 7th
15 Paul Pinegar, Mid 7th
16 Marcus Vick, Late 7th
17 Barrick Nealy, 7th-FA
18 Drew Olson, 7th-FA
19 Ingle Martin, 7th-FA
20 Travis Lulay, 7th-FA
21 Kent Smith, 7th-FA
22 Bruce Eugene, FA
23 Justin Holland, FA
24 Brett Elliott, FA
25 Matt Baker, FA
26 Brandon Kirsch, FA

GENERAL OBSERVATION:

I believe you are over-valuing some of the QBs at the end of the draft. You have guys like Nealy, Martin, Olson, etc. with a 5th round value. Not one of those guys was mocked to go before the 6th round in any of the trustworthy mocks that I based some of my value board on. Other guys like Betts, Porter, and Smith you have 6th round grades on, and none of those guys went before the 7th round in any mock that I saw. I know it's hard to tweak a value board. I had like 40-45 guys valued in each round, so I had to go back through my value board and make sure I wasn't overstuffing the value board.

PLAYER EVALUATIONS

I have Young rated higher, but I can't quarrel with anybody who has Leinart higher.

I'm glad you aren't as high on Brodie Croyle as some others. Personally, I like Charlie Whitehurst more than Kellen Clemens, but they are close, and I like them both more than Croyle.

We both like Reggie McNeal and Tarvaris Jackson more than most.

We both appear to like Nealy as a sleeper.

The one change I would make is that I'd drop Darrell Hackney a bit. All of the trustworthy boards have him #8-12 at QB. You have him at the high end of that (#8), and I have him at the low end of that (#11)--with a much lower value. He has a great arm, but I don't like QBs that are under 6' tall.

Erik Meyer is a sleeper that I like. He's a little short, but he's a good athlete with a good arm.

Darrell Hackney
QB | (5'11", 239, 4.83) | ALABAMA BIRMINGHAM

Overall: Hackney is a thickly built quarterback with adequate arm strength and above average athletic ability. However, his marginal size and history of durability issues are major red flags as a pro prospect. He also has much room to improve in terms of his passing mechanics and overall consistency. Hackney really struggled during the post-season process (Senior Bowl and NFL Combine, where his size proved to be comparatively marginal and his erratic passing woes stood out. Look for Hackney to slip to the final few rounds of this year's draft, as a result.

Erik Meyer
QB | (6'1", 210, 4.7) | EASTERN WASHINGTON

Overall: As a senior in 2005, he completed 65.5-percent of his throws for 4,003 yards, 30 touchdowns and five interceptions. He also ran for 221 yards on 92 carries. The level of competition (DI-AA) Meyer competed on in college certainly raises concerns. He also lacks prototypical size. However, he is an efficient passer with the arm strength to make all the NFL throws and the ability to buy extra time in the pocket due to his quick feet and presence. Meyer shows enough upside to work with as a late-round project in the 2006 class and his best fit would be in a West Coast offensive scheme.

[HarveyWallbangers]

RB

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

Reggie Bush (RD 1)
DeAngelo Williams (RD 1)
Lawrence Maroney (RD 1)
Lendale White (RD 2)
Joseph Addai (RD 2)
Brian Calhoun (RD 2)
Maurice Drew (RD 2)
Jerious Norwood (RD 3)
Leon Washington (RD 3)
Wali Lundy (RD 3)
Jerome Harrison (RD 4)
Mike Bell (RD 4)
Andre Hall (RD 4)
Gerald Riggs Jr. (RD 4)
Cedric Humes (RD 5)
Quinton Gather (RD 5)
Wnedall Mathis (RD 5)
Taurean Henderson (RD 6)
Terrence Whitehead (RD 6)
Ryan Gilbert (RD 6)
Chris Barclay (RD 6)
De’Arrius Howard (RD 6)
PJ Pope (RD 7)
Derrick Ross (RD 7)
Damien Rhodes (RD 7)
PJ Daniels (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 Reggie Bush, Early 1st
2 DeAngelo Williams, Mid 1st
3 Laurence Maroney, Mid 1st
4 LenDale White, Early 2nd
5 Joseph Addai, Early 2nd
6 Brian Calhoun, Early 3rd
7 Jerious Norwood, Early 3rd
8 Maurice Drew, Early 4th
9 Jerome Harrison, Mid 4th
10 Leon Washington, Late 4th
11 Andre Hall, Late 4th
12 Wali Lundy, Early 5th
13 Mike Bell, Mid 5th
14 Gerald Riggs, Mid 5th
15 PJ Daniels, Early 6th
16 DonTrell Moore, Mid 6th
17 Wendell Mathis, Mid 6th
18 Taurean Henderson, Late 6th
19 Cedric Humes, Late 6th
20 Quinton Ganther, Mid 7th
21 Terrence Whitehead, Late 7th
22 De'Arrius Howard, Late 7th
23 Derrick Ross, 7th-FA
24 Cory Ross, 7th-FA
25 Chris Taylor, 7th-FA
26 Arliss Beach, 7th-FA
27 Ryan Gilbert, FA
28 Damien Rhodes, FA
29 J.R. Lemon, FA
30 Jerod Void, FA
31 Patrick Cobbs, FA

I don't really have an argument against your board. I'm not that big on all of the little backs in this draft that are destined be third down backs in the NFL. That's why I like Norwood, Bell, and Lundy. You like them as well, so our boards are rather similar here also.

The only guy that I think is a little under-valued on most boards is Jerious Norwood. He doesn't have ideal size, but he's actually one of the bigger RBs in this draft (it's a small crop) after the first 5, runs a 4.33 40, and was highly productive in college.

[HarveyWallbangers]

FB

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

Quadtrine Hill (RD 4)
Garrett Mills (RD 5)
Lawerence Vickers (RD 5)
Matt Bernstein (RD 5)
Rashon Powers-Neal (RD 6)
JD Runnels (RD 6)
David Kirtman (RD 7)
Naufahu Tahi (RD 7)
Shawn Willis (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 Lawrence Vickers, Late 4th
2 Garret Mills, Mid 5th
3 Matt Bernstein, Mid 6th
4 Quadtrine Hill, Late 6th
5 David Kirtman, Early 7th
6 Gilbert Harris, Late 7th
7 Naufahu Tahi, 7th-FA
8 JD Runnels, 7th-FA
9 Rashon Powers-Neal, FA
10 Shawn Willis, FA

My board differs from your board a little, but who can really judge a college FB. I will say that my board almost directly follows the consensus (among Pro Football Weekly, ESPN, Fox Sports, NFL Draft Countdown, Packer Plus, Dallas Morning News) at this position.

[HarveyWallbangers]

WR

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

Santonio Holmes (RD 1)
Chad Jackson (RD 1)
Derek Hagan (RD 2)
Martin Nance (RD 3)
Hank Baskett (RD 3)
Maurice Stovall (RD 3)
Demetrius Williams (RD 3)
Jason Avant (RD 3)
Greg Jennings (RD 4)
Devin Aromashodu (RD 4)
Ben Obomanu (RD 4)
Travis Williams (RD 4)
Brandon Williams (RD 4)
Jonathan Orr (RD 5)
Mike Haas (RD 5)
Brandon Marshall (RD 5)
Todd Watkins (RD 5)
Micheal Robinson (RD 5)
Willie Reid (RD 6)
Domenik Hixon (RD 6)
Jeremy Bloom (RD 6)
Skyler Green (RD 6)
Troy Bergeron (RD 7)
Miles Austin (RD 7)
Drouzon Quillen (RD 7)
Chris Hannon (RD 7)
Sean Coffey (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 Chad Jackson, Late 1st
2 Santonio Holmes, Late 1st
3 Sinorice Moss, Early 2nd
4 Demetrius Williams, Early 2nd
5 Maurice Stovall, Early 2nd
6 Derek Hagan, Mid 2nd
7 Greg Jennings, Late 2nd
8 Travis Wilson, Early 3rd
9 Jason Avant, Mid 3rd
10 Brandon Marshall, Late 3rd
11 Todd Watkins, Late 3rd
12 Devin Aromashodu, Late 3rd
13 Michael Robinson, Early 4th
14 Mike Hass, Early 4th
15 Brandon Williams, Mid 4th
16 Martin Nance, Mid 4th
17 Hank Baskett, Late 4th
18 Jeff Webb, Early 5th
19 Jonathan Orr, Mid 5th
20 Willie Reid, Mid 5th
21 Greg Lee, Early 5th
22 Brad Smith, Mid 5th
23 Delanie Walker, Late 5th
24 Jeremy Bloom, Late 5th
25 Miles Austin, Early 6th
26 Ben Obomano, Early 6th
27 Cory Rodgers, Late 6th
28 Anthony Mix, Late 6th
29 Skyler Green, Early 7th
30 Troy Bergeron, Early 7th
31 Domenik Hixon, Mid 7th
32 Marques Colston, Late 7th
33 Chris Hannon, 7th-FA
34 Clinton Solomon, 7th-FA
35 Jovon Bouknight, 7th-FA
36 Ed Hinkel, 7th-FA
37 Adam Jennings, 7th-FA
38 Marques Hagans, 7th-FA
39 Joshua Tinch, 7th-FA
40 David Anderson, 7th-FA
41 Chris Francies, 7th-FA
42 Brian Clark, FA
43 Damarius Bilbo, FA
44 Jason Carter, FA

GENERAL OBSERVATION:

Unlike QB, I think you are under-valuing this position. The class is weak at the top, but I think there will be more 2nd and 3rd round picks than you have graded, and I think there will be more wideouts in general that will be picked.

PLAYER EVALUATIONS:

I like Chad Jackson more than Santonio Holmes, but I can't argue against having Holmes higher.

Martin Nance - I actually have him higher than average on my board at #16 (the average rank for him is 19.6), but man you went way higher. I think that's too high for him--although he is intriguing. Same with Hank Baskett. I like him more than most, but not quite that high.

I'm assuming you just missed Sinorice Moss.

A couple of guys that I'll point out that I like a lot more than you do, Brandon Marshall and Todd Watkins.

Brandon Marshall
WR | (6'4", 229, 4.56) | CENTRAL FLORIDA

Overall: Marshall caught 74 passes for a total of 1,195 yards and 11 touchdowns. Marshall possesses a good blend of size, power and athletic ability. However, he isn't fast enough to consistently beat corners over the top and he lacks the burst to regularly get open underneath. He catches the ball well but he is going to have problems separating from defenders in the NFL as easily as he did at the collegiate level. In our opinion, Marshall can develop into a mismatch as a sub-package possession receiver in the NFL if he is coached well and continues to improve his route running skills. Marshall is a bit of a "sleeper" right now but look for him to come off the board in the fourth-to-fifth round range of the 2006 draft.

Brandon Marshall
Height: 6-4 1/2 | Weight: 229 | 40-Time: 4.55

Strengths:
Has outstanding size with a big frame and knows how to use it...A great natural athlete...Excellent body control and ball skills...Has good hands...Is very tough & physical...Works well across the middle and in traffic...Can create after the catch.

Weaknesses:
Pure speed is only average...Not very quick or explosive...Somewhat of a long strider...Is not a great route runner...Not known to be a hard worker...Has some character / maturity issues and was even suspended at one point in college.

Notes:
Moved from wide receiver to safety in 2004 and then made the switch back the following spring...Gave his stock a huge boost by catching 11 for 210 and 3 touchdowns in the Golden Knights Sheraton Hawaii Bowl loss and then also starring in the Hula Bowl all-star game...Intriguing prospect who is on the rise.

Todd Watkins
WR | (6'2", 202, 4.44) | BYU

Overall: Watkins has a great combination of height, speed and leaping ability, making him a potential vertical threat in the NFL. He shares a lot of similarities with Ashley Lelie (Broncos) when Lelie was at a similar stage of development at Hawaii. Much like Lelie, Watkins must continue to improve his bulk, strength and consistency as a short-to-intermediate route runner. He make take longer to develop in the NFL than most prospects, but he shows enough potential to gamble on in the fourth-round range of the 2006 draft.

[HarveyWallbangers]

TE

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

Vernon Davis (RD 1)
Leonard Pope (RD 1)
Mercedes Lewis (RD 1)
Dominique Byrd (RD 2)
Joe Klopefenstein (RD 2)
Anthony Fasano (RD 2)
Tony Scheffler (RD 3)
David Thomas (RD 3)
Anthony Mix (RD 3)
TJ. Williams (RD 4)
Tim Day (RD 4)
Owen Daniels (RD 4)
Cooper Wallace (RD 4)
Jeff King (RD 5)
Cooper Wallace (RD 6)
Quinn Sypniewski (RD 6)
Darcy Johnson (RD 6)
Tim Massaquoi (RD 7)
Jason Poziask (RD 7)
Troy Bienemann (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 Vernon Davis, Early 1st
2 Leonard Pope, Early 2nd
3 Marcedes Lewis, Early 2nd
4 Anthony Fasano, Late 2nd
5 Joe Klopfenstein, Late 2nd
6 Dominique Byrd, Late 3rd
7 Tony Scheffler, Late 3rd
8 David Thomas, Early 4th
9 Owen Daniels, Late 4th
10 Tim Day, Early 5th
11 TJ Williams, Early 5th
12 Jeff King, Mid 6th
13 Charles Davis, Early 7th
14 Quinn Sypnieswki, Mid 7th
15 Jason Pociask, Late 7th
16 Cooper Wallace, 7th-FA
17 Troy Bienemann, 7th-FA
18 Tim Massaquoi, 7th-FA
19 Bristol Olomua, FA
20 Daniel Fells, FA

Not much of a difference--although I like Fasano and Klopfenstein better than Byrd. I know Byrd has great hands, but he is a little short and has only average speed. We both like Scheffler more than most.

Anthony Fasano
TE | (6'4", 259, 4.71) | NOTRE DAME

Overall: Fasano lacks explosive speed, which limits his NFL potential as a seam-stretching receiver. He needs to add some bulk in order to better match up at the next level as an in-line blocker. He also comes with a little bit of baggage in terms of the fumbling and durability issues. However, Fasano possesses the frame to continue to get bigger and he shows the technique and toughness to develop into an efficient all-around blocker. Fasano also has the mobility, quickness, hands and instincts to emerge as a reliable short-to-intermediate weapon in the passing game. Simply put; Fasano is a very good prospect at the tight end position but he's a step down from the elite class. As a result, we feel that Fasano will be a bit of a reach in the first round of the 2006 draft but that he absolutely warrants second round consideration.

Joe Klopfenstein
TE | (6'5", 255, 4.65) | COLORADO

Overall: Klopfenstein is a fast-rising tight end prospect that greatly improved his draft stock with an impressive senior campaign in 2005. He still needs to improve his bulk and lower body strength. Klopfenstein also lacks consistency as a run blocker and will always have some limitations in that area. However, he has a great frame and continues to get bigger. Most importantly, he is an impressive athlete with the speed and hands to stretch the field vertically as an H-back type in the NFL. Klopfenstein has secured a spot on Day 1 of the 2006 draft and he could come off the board as high as the second round after impressive performances in post-season (Senior Bowl and NFL Scouting Combine).

Dominique Byrd
TE | (6'2", 255, 4.8) | USC

Overall: Byrd is a dynamic playmaker with the potential to develop into a seam-stretching H-back type in the NFL. He is one of the best athletes at the tight end position in this year's class at the tight end position and he flashes terrific upside. However, he still needs to improve his bulk, strength and overall effectiveness as a blocker. He also has had some durability and academic issues that could cause him to slip on draft day. As it stands right now, Byrd grades out as a second round prospect in a talent-deep class of tight ends in the 2006 draft.

Tony Scheffler
TE | (6'5", 254, 4.6) | WESTERN MICHIGAN

Overall: Scheffler was one of the most productive pass-catching tight ends in college football as a senior in 2005, when he finished with 57 receptions for 670 yards and nine touchdowns. Scheffler was also the starting left fielder for Western Michigan's baseball team. Scheffler is one of the most underrated prospects in the 2006 draft class. He was a late-bloomer that struggled early in his career due to some durability issues and the fact that he spent the majority of his off-season time playing baseball for Western Michigan. However, Scheffler was a highly productive receiver at the mid-major DI-A collegiate level during his final two seasons and since focusing solely on football, he has made enormous strides as an NFL draft prospect. He has a big frame to add bulk and he showcased his excellent speed and athletic ability with an outstanding showing at the combine. In our opinion, Scheffler warrants consideration early on Day 2 of the draft.

[HarveyWallbangers]

OT

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

D’Brickshaw Ferguson (RD 1)
Winston Justice (RD 1)
Marcus McNeill (RD 1)
Eric Winston (RD 1)
Daryn Colledge (RD 2)
Jonathan Scott (RD 3)
Andrew Whitworth (RD 3)
Ryan O’Callahan (RD 3)
Jeremy Trueblood (RD 3)
Zach Strief (RD 3)
Paul McQuistan (RD 4)
Joe Toledo (RD 4)
Guy Whimper (RD 4)
Rashad Butler (RD 5)
Jeromy Clary (RD 5)
Micheal Toudouze (RD 6)
Brad Butler (RD 6)
Dennis Roland (RD 6)
Donald Penn (RD 6)
Troy Reddick (RD 7)
Mark Levoir (RD 7)
Albert Toeaina (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Early 1st
2 Winston Justice, Early 1st
3 Eric Winston, Late 1st
4 Marcus McNeill, Early 2nd
5 Daryn Colledge, Mid 2nd
6 Andrew Whitworth, Mid 2nd
7 Jonathan Scott, Mid 3rd
8 Jeremy Trueblood, Late 3rd
9 Ryan O'Callaghan, Early 4th
10 Paul McQuistan, Early 4th
11 Guy Whimper, Mid 4th
12 Rashad Butler, Mid 4th
13 Zach Strief, Early 5th
14 Joe Toledo, Mid 5th
15 Isaac Sowells, Late 5th
16 Troy Reddick, Late 5th
17 Jeromey Clary, Early 6th
18 Brad Butler, Early 6th
19 Michael Toudouze, Early 6th
20 Jimmy Martin, Mid 6th
21 Donald Penn, Late 6th
22 Terrance Pennington, Early 7th
23 Derek Morris, Early 7th
24 EJ Whitley, Mid 7th
25 Dennis Roland, 7th-FA
26 Albert Toeaina, 7th-FA
27 Quinn Ojinnaka, 7th-FA
28 Charlie Johnson, 7th-FA
29 Jabari Levey, 7th-FA
30 Mike LeVoir, FA

Not a lot of difference at the top. I have Winston ahead of McNeill and I like Whitworth more than Scott.

[HarveyWallbangers]

OG

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

Davin Joseph (RD 1)
Charles Spencer (RD 2)
Max Jean Gillies (RD 3)
Isaac Sowells (RD 3)
Taitusi Lutui (RD 3)
Fred Matua (RD 3)
Chris Kuper (RD 4)
Jason Spitz (RD 4)
Rob Sims (RD 4)
Kevin Boothe (RD 4)
Mark Setterstrom (RD 5)
Adam Stenavich (RD 5)
Jahri Evans (RD 5)
Will Allen (RD 6)
Aldo De la Garza (RD 6)
Dan Stevenson (RD 6)
Willie Colon (RD 6)
Matt Lentz (RD 7)
Tre’ Stallings (RD 7)
Rob Smith (RD 7)
Cody Douglas (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 Davin Joseph, Late 1st
2 Deuce Lutui, Early 2nd
3 Max Jeans-Gillies, Late 2nd
4 Charles Spencer, Early 3rd
5 Fred Matua, Mid 3rd
6 Rob Sims, Mid 3rd
7 Jason Spitz, Early 4th
8 Kevin Boothe, Early 4th
9 Mark Setterstrom, Late 4th
10 Jahri Evans, Late 4th
11 Chris Kuper, Early 5th
12 Adam Stenavich, Mid 6th
13 Dan Stevenson, Mid 6th
14 Will Montgomery, Late 6th
15 Will Allen, Early 7th
16 Willie Colon, Early 7th
17 Tony Tella, Mid 7th
18 Jason Murphy, Mid 7th
19 Rob Smith, 7th-FA
20 Tre' Stallings, 7th-FA
21 Rob Meadow, 7th-FA
22 Cody Douglas, 7th-FA
23 Matt Lentz, 7th-FA
24 Nate Livings, FA
25 Lequalan McDonald, FA

I think you have Sowells rated too high. He's #15 on my OT board. He'll likely play OG on the pro level. I think you are selling Rob Sims a little short. I like Lutui more than Giles and Spencer for our scheme, but they are pretty close.

[HarveyWallbangers]

OC

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

Nick Mangold (RD 1)
Greg Eslinger (RD 3)
Ryan Cook (RD 3)
Chris Chester (RD 3)
Mike Degory (RD 4)
Patrick Ross (RD 4)
Marvin Phillip (RD 5)
Donovan Raiola (RD 6)
Grayling Loving (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 Nick Mangold, Late 1st
2 Chris Chester, Late 2nd
3 Greg Eslinger, Mid 3rd
4 Patrick Ross, Late 4th
5 Ryan Cook, Mid 5th
6 Marvin Phillip, Late 6th
7 Michael Degory, Late 7th
8 Chris Morris, 7th-FA
9 Donovan Raiola, 7th-FA
10 Grayling Love, FA

I don't like Ryan Cook. He's just too slow for our scheme. I like Eslinger a lot, and I like Chester even more. I think Patrick Ross fits our scheme more than Cook. Cook ran a 5.5 40. He doesn't have good movement skills at all. Chester is an incredible athlete. He ran a 40 in the 4.8s. Ross ran his in the 4.9s, and I think he could be a Dan Koppen type player.

[HarveyWallbangers]

DE

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

Mario Williams (RD 1)
Tamba Hali (RD 1)
Mathias Kiwanuka (RD 2)
Ray Edwards (RD 2)
Mark Anderson (RD 3)
Darryl Tapp (RD 3)
Victor Adeyanju (RD 3)
Chris Gocong (RD 4)
Stanely McClover (RD 4)
Elvis Dumervil (RD 4)
Julian Jenkins (RD 4)
Eric Henderson (RD 5)
Ryan Lacasse (RD 5)
James Wyche (RD 5)
Mike Kudla (RD 5)
Parys Haralson (RD 6)
Jeremy Mincey (RD 6)
Frostee Rucker (RD 6)
Copeland Bryan (RD 6)
Devon Long (RD 7)
Mathew Rice (RD 7)
Darrell Adams (RD 7)
Ben Ishola (RD 7)
Moe Thompson (RD 7)
Charles Bennett (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 Mario Williams, Early 1st
2 Tamba Hali, Early 2nd
3 Mathias Kiwanuka, Mid 2nd
4 Darryl Tapp, Early 3rd
5 Mark Anderson, Early 3rd
6 Ray Edwards, Mid 3rd
7 Victor Adeyanju, Mid 3rd
8 Chris Gocong, Late 3rd
9 Parys Haralson, Early 4th
10 Stanley McClover, Mid 4th
11 Julian Jenkins, Late 4th
12 Eric Henderson, Late 4th
13 James Wyche, Early 5th
14 Ryan Lacasse, Mid 5th
15 Mike Kudla, Late 5th
16 Jason Hatcher, Late 5th
17 Elvis Dumervil, Late 5th
18 Rob Ninkovich, Early 6th
19 Frostee Rucker, Early 6th
20 Jeremy Mincey, Mid 6th
21 Charlton Keith, Early 7th
22 Brent Hawkins, Early 7th
23 Charles Bennett, Mid 7th
24 Brandon Guillory, Late 7th
25 Ben Ishola, Late 7th
26 Darrell Adams, 7th-FA
27 Copeland Bryan, 7th-FA
28 Lee Vickers, 7th-FA
29 Javon Nanton, 7th-FA
30 Matthew Rice, FA
31 Jason Hall, FA
32 Garrett McIntyre, FA
33 Devan Long, FA

Small differences. I'm not a big fan of Elvis Dumervil. I don't know too many 5'11" 257 pound DE that are making an impact on the pro level.

Wyche is probably my sleeper, but you have him pretty high also. He's 6'5" 262 with the frame to get bigger, and he ran a 4.63 40. He's been an a little bit of an underachiever, but the measurables are worth taking a chance on in the 4th or 5th round. There's such a dearth of DEs that stand out in this draft that I like Wyche, Kudla, and LaCasse. They are guys that are pretty quick with decent size and the frame to get bigger.

[HarveyWallbangers]

DT

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

Haloti Ngata (RD 1)
Brodrick Bunkley (RD 1)
Gabe Watson (RD 1)
Johnathan Lewis (RD 2)
John McCargo (RD 2)
Orien Harris (RD 2)
Rodique Wright (RD 3)
Jesse Mahelona (RD 3)
Dusty Dvorarek (RD 3)
Kyle Williams (RD 3)
Barry Coefield (RD 3)
Claude Wroten (RD 4)
Montavious Stanely (RD 4)
Babatunde Oshinowo (RD 4)
Titus Adams (RD 5)
Le Kevin Smith (RD 5)
Tommy Jackson (RD 5)
Manaia Brown (RD 6)
Steve Fifita (RD 6)
Domata Peko (RD 6)
Jonny Jolley (RD 6)
Larry Dribbles (RD 7)
Gerald Anderson (RD 7)
Sir Henry Anderson (RD 7)
Steve Williams (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 Brodrick Bunkley, Early 1st
2 Haloti Ngata, Mid 1st
3 Gabe Watson, Early 2nd
4 John McCargo, Mid 2nd
5 Claude Wroten, Late 2nd
6 Rodrigue Wright, Early 3rd
7 Orien Harris, Early 3rd
8 Dusty Dvoracek, Mid 3rd
9 Jonathan Lewis, Late 3rd
10 Kyle Williams, Early 4th
11 Babatunde Oshinowo, Early 4th
12 Barry Cofield, Mid 4th
13 Montavious Stanley, Mid 4th
14 Jesse Mahelona, Early 5th
15 Domata Peko, Late 5th
16 Kedrick Golston, Late 5th
17 Le Kevin Smith, Early 6th
18 Johnny Jolly, Early 6th
19 Melvin Oliver, Early 6th
20 Tony McDaniel, Mid 6th
21 Marcus Green, Early 7th
22 Tommy Jackson, Early 7th
23 Manaia Brown, Mid 7th
24 Steve Fifita, Mid 7th
25 McKinley Boykin, Late 7th
26 Titus Adams, 7th-FA
27 Henry Anderson, 7th-FA
28 Steve Williams, 7th-FA
29 Alvin Smith, 7th-FA
30 LaJuan Ramsey, 7th-FA
31 Tim Sandidge, 7th-FA
32 Anthony Montgomery, FA
33 Fred Evans, FA
34 Larry Dibbles, FA

I'm assuming you dropped Wroten because of his off-the-field problems? He could be this year's Anntaj Hawthorne, so that's valid, but I'd still take a chance on him as a top 9 DT, at least. I had him ranked #3 before the issues. I dropped him to #5 because of them.

[HarveyWallbangers]

OLB

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

AJ Hawk (RD 1)
Chad Greenway (RD 1)
Ernie Sims (RD 1)
Bobby Carpenter (RD 1)
Manny Lawson (RD 1)
Demeco Ryans (RD 1)
Kamerion Wimbley (RD 2)
Thomas Howard (RD 2)
Roger MacIntosh (RD 2)
Spencer Havner (RD 2)
Clint Ingram (RD 3)
Jon Alston (RD 4)
Terna Nande (RD 4)
Omar Gather (RD 4)
AJ Nicholson (RD 4)
Jamar Williams (RD 5)
Cameron Vaughn (RD 5)
Omar Gaither (RD 6)
Stephen Tulloch (RD 6)
Brandon Johnson (RD 6)
William Kershaw (RD 6)
Keith Ellison (RD 6)
Travis Williams (RD 7)
Will Derting (RD 7)
Anthony Trucks (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 AJ Hawk, Early 1st
2 Ernie Sims, Mid 1st
3 Chad Greenway, Mid 1st
4 Bobby Carpenter, Late 1st
5 Manny Lawson, Mid 1st
6 Kamerion Wimbley, Mid 1st
7 DeMeco Ryans, Early 2nd
8 Thomas Howard, Mid 2nd
9 Roger McIntosh, Mid 2nd
10 Jon Alston, Late 2nd
11 Clint Ingram, Mid 3rd
12 James Anderson, Late 3rd
13 Brandon Johnson, Late 3rd
14 Brian Iwuh, Mid 4th
15 Jamar Williams, Late 4th
16 AJ Nicholson, Mid 5th
17 Keith Ellison, Late 5th
18 Spencer Havner, Late 5th
19 Omar Gaither, Mid 6th
20 Stephen Tulloch, Mid 6th
21 Terna Nande, Mid 6th
22 Travis Williams, Late 6th
23 William Kershaw, Early 7th
24 Kevin Simon, Mid 7th
25 Anthony Trucks, 7th-FA
26 Will Derting, 7th-FA
27 Pierre Woods, 7th-FA
28 Paul Walkenhorst, FA
29 Ladrelle Bryant, FA

I actually like Greenway as much or more than Sims, but I didn't have the nutz to rank him higher. Six out of the 7 draftboards I referenced had Sims higher. The concussions worry me. I think you are overrating Spencer Havner for our scheme. He's pretty slow. Same with A.J. Nicholson.

There are three intriguing speed LBs that I like in the later rounds: James Anderson, Brandon Johnson, and Jamar Williams.

James Anderson
OLB | (6'3", 229, 4.58) | VIRGINIA TECH

Overall: Anderson is a WLB prospect that made huge strides throughout his final two collegiate seasons (2004-'05), which were his only as a starter. He lacks ideal size and still has room to improve in terms of his recognition skills and awareness  both in run support and in coverage. However, Anderson is a great athlete with outstanding speed and the frame to improve his bulk. He will need at least one season before he is ready to compete for consistent playing time at WLB in the NFL, but Anderson should be able to contribute on sub packages and on special teams immediately. In our opinion, Anderson is an intriguing late Day 1 prospect with a good deal of upside.

Brandon Johnson
OLB | (6'4", 228, 4.47) | LOUISVILLE

Overall: Johnson's lack of bulk is reason for concern and he will have problems stopping the run until he gets stronger at the point of attack. However, he has the frame to add weight and he has the combination of athletic ability, instincts and speed to develop into a playmaker as an OLB and as a cover guy on special teams. Johnson projects as a fourth or fifth round pick in 2006.

Jamar Williams
Height: 6-0 1/4 | Weight: 236 | 40-Time: 4.62

Strengths:
Smart and has outstanding football instincts...Has solid speed...Powerful and an explosive hitter...Displays good strength...Has a good motor and is all over the field...Very productive and experienced...Team leader with top-notch intangibles.

Weaknesses:
Does not have the ideal height you look for...Is not very quick or agile...Can be too aggressive at times...Lacks discipline and will tend to take himself out of plays...Struggles in coverage...Might only be a situational player in the pros.

Notes:
A three-year starter...Doesn't have all the physical tools you'd prefer but it's the stuff you can't measure that makes him what he is...While he may never be a star this guy is not the type you should doubt...At worst a backup and special teamer.

[HarveyWallbangers]

ILB

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

Abdul Hodge (RD 2)
DeQwell Jackson (RD 2)
Gerris Wilkerson (RD 3)
Leon Williams (RD 3)
Tim Dobbins (RD 3)
Tim McGarigle (RD 5)
Anthony Schlegle (RD 5)
Kai Parham (RD 5)
Freddie Roach (RD 6)
Trent Bray (RD 6)
William Freeman (RD 7)
Aaron Harris (RD 7)
Chad Anderson (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 D'Qwell Jackson, Mid 2nd
2 Abdul Hodge, Mid 2nd
3 Gerris Wilkinson, Mid 2nd
4 Leon Williams, Late 3rd
5 Tim Dobbins, Early 4th
6 Freddie Keiaho, Late 4th
7 Dale Robinson, Mid 5th
8 Tim McGarigle, Mid 5th
9 Anthony Schlegel, Early 6th
10 Kai Parham, Late 6th
11 Freddie Roach, Early 7th
12 Cameron Vaughn, Mid 7th
13 Oliver Hoyte, 7th-FA
14 Trent Bray, 7th-FA
15 Justin London, FA

You don't have Freddie Keiaho on your board. I don't like Kai Parham much for our team. He can't run. The dude ran a 5.03 40 at the combine. You don't have Dale Robinson ranked either. He's the consensus 7th pick at ILB, but I don't like him much. Like Parham, he's extremely slow. I can't quibble with Hodge over Jackson. To me, they are nearly identical as prospects. Jackson beat Hodge in 5 of the 7 boards I reference.

Freddie Keiaho
ILB | (5'11", 224, 4.65) | SAN DIEGO STATE

Overall: Keiaho lacks size, he has some minor durability concerns and his technique as a linebacker will need polishing in the NFL. However, he has great speed at the linebacker position and he is an aggressive, powerful tackler for his size. Keiaho likely will never emerge as a fulltime contributor on defense, but he shows potential to develop into a versatile backup at the "Mike" and "Will" linebacker positions. He also has great experience as a special teams' contributor and shows enough upside to contribute in that area at the NFL level. Expect Keiaho to come off the 2006 draft board at some point during the early portions of Day 2.

[HarveyWallbangers]

CB

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

Ty Hill (RD 1)
Jimmy Williams (RD 1)
Antonio Cromartie (RD 1)
Jonathan Joseph (RD 1)
Ashton Youboty (RD 1)
Richard Marshall (RD 2)
Kelly Jennings (RD 2)
Cedric Griffin (RD 2)
Daniel Manning (RD 2)
Demario Minter (RD 2)
Dee Webb (RD 3)
David Pittman (RD 3)
Alan Zemaitis (RD 3)
Devin Hester (RD 3)
Will Blackmon (RD 3)
Marcus Maxey (RD 3)
Anwar Phillips (RD 4)
Tim Jennings (RD 4)
Darrell Hunter (RD 4)
Charles Gordon (RD 5)
Derrick Martin (RD 5)
Gerrick McPherson (RD 5)
Dion Byrum (RD 6)
Josh Lay (RD 6)
Drew Coleman (RD 6)
Eric Bassey (RD 6)
TJ Rushing (RD 7)
Harrison Smith (RD 7)
Cletus Gordan (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 Jimmy Williams, Mid 1st
2 Antonio Cromartie, Mid 1st
3 Tye Hill, Late 1st
4 Johnathan Joseph, Late 1st
5 Kelly Jennings, Late 1st
6 Ashton Youboty, Late 1st
7 Richard Marshall, Mid 2nd
8 Cedric Griffin, Late 2nd
9 David Pittman, Late 2nd
10 Devin Hester, Early 3rd
11 Alan Zemaitis, Late 3rd
12 Will Blackmon, Mid 3rd
13 DeMario Minter, Late 3rd
14 Dee Webb, Late 3rd
15 Marcus Maxey, Early 4th
16 Anwar Phillips, Mid 4th
17 Tim Jennings, Mid 4th
18 Charles Gordon, Early 5th
19 Josh Lay, Mid 5th
20 Darrell Hunter, Late 5th
21 Derrick Martin, Late 5th
22 Gerrick McPherson, Early 6th
23 Dion Byrum, Mid 6th
24 Alton McCann, Late 6th
25 John Walker, Early 7th
26 Antonio Malone, Early 7th
27 Justin Wyatt, Mid 7th
28 Willie Andrews, Mid 7th
29 Cletis Gordon, Late 7th
30 Eric Bassey, Late 7th
31 Drew Coleman, 7th-FA
32 Chris Hawkins, 7th-FA
33 Reuben Houston, 7th-FA
34 Jarrett Bush, 7th-FA
35 Chijoke Onyenegecha, 7th-FA
36 Ronnie Prude, 7th-FA
37 Harrison Smith, 7th-FA
38 Marcus Demps, FA
39 Tramon Williams, FA
40 Kevin Stanley, FA

I like Williams and Cromartie more than Hill--mainly because Hill is short. I'm glad to see a super sleeper, Eric Bassey, on your board. Dude is 6' tall and ran a 4.33 40. He's worth taking at some point late. I like David Pittman a little more than you. He's an intriguing small school prospect. Josh Lay is another guy I like because he has a nice size/speed combination.

Josh Lay
CB | (6'0", 197, 4.47) | PITTSBURGH

Overall: Lay is a tall cover corner with surprisingly fluid hips and smooth athleticism. He has the size, instincts, athleticism and just enough speed to develop into a sub-package contributor at the cornerback position in the NFL. He also could emerge as a good fit in a cover-2 type scheme, but he must get stronger and develop his overall tackling skills. Lay is not the toughest of cornerbacks, he lacks elite speed and he has some durability issues, which will cause him to slip on draft weekend. In our opinion, Lay is warrants consideration in the middle rounds of the 2006 draft.

[HarveyWallbangers]

S

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

Micheal Huff (RD 1)
Donte Whitner (RD 1)
Jason Allen (RD 1)
Daniel Bullocks (RD 1)
Darnell Bing (RD 2)
Ko Simpson (RD 2)
Pat Watkins (RD 2)
Roman Harper (RD 3)
Bernard Pollard (RD 3)
Antoine Bethea (RD 3)
Greg Blue (RD 3)
Anthony Smith (RD 3)
Marcus Hudson (RD 4)
Calvin Lowery (RD 4)
Greg Threat (RD 5)
Calvin Lowery (RD 5)
Jahmile Addae (RD 5)
Nate Salley (RD 5)
Jarrad Page (RD 6)
Dawan Landry (RD 6)
Charlie Peprah (RD 6)
Scott Ware (RD 7)
Willie Andrews (RD 7)
Eric Smith (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 Michael Huff, Early 1st
2 Donte Whitner, Mid 1st
3 Jason Allen, Late 1st
4 Daniel Bullocks, Late 1st
5 Ko Simpson, Mid 2nd
6 Darnell Bing, Late 2nd
7 Danieal Manning, Late 2nd
8 Pat Watkins, Early 3rd
9 Roman Harper, Early 3rd
10 Bernard Pollard, Late 3rd
11 Anthony Smith, Mid 4th
12 Marcus Hudson, Late 4th
13 Calvin Lowry, Early 5th
14 Antoine Bethea, Mid 5th
15 Greg Blue, Late 5th
16 Jarrad Page, Mid 6th
17 Dwayne Slay, Mid 6th
18 Dawan Landry, Late 6th
19 Nate Salley, Early 7th
20 Eric Smith, Early 7th
21 Scott Ware, Early 7th
22 Jahmile Addae, Mid 7th
23 Darrell Brooks, Late 7th
24 Charlie Peprah, Late 7th
25 Chris Harrell, Late 7th
26 Tyrone Culver, 7th-FA
27 Reed Doughty, 7th-FA
28 Tyler Everett, 7th-FA
29 Greg Threat, 7th-FA
30 Vincent Meeks, FA
31 Jarvis Herring, FA

Not much to add. I really like Daniel Bullocks and wish the Packers had an excuse to take him. Eric Smith is another intriguing prospect.

Eric Smith
S | (6'1", 209, 4.67) | MICHIGAN STATE

Strengths: Possesses adequate size, is physical at the point of attack and line up in the box. Reads keys quickly, is aggressive and excels in run support. Takes good pursuit angles, plays with a good motor and always seems to be around the ball at the end of the play. Plays under control in space, squares up to the ball carrier and is a sound open field tackler. Shows good burst coming out of cuts, can change directions quickly and has good short-area man-to-man cover skills. Shows good closing speed, times hits well and can be an intimidating presence over the middle. Has good speed and is relentless in pursuit so has the potential to develop into a productive special teams' player.

Weaknesses: While he has good range and covers a lot of ground, he doesn't show great instincts in zone coverage, bites on play fakes and gets caught out of position at times. Lacks ideal ball skills and isn't a playmaker in coverage. Received a medical red-shirt and he missed the entire season after tearing the meniscus in his left knee in 2001, missed two games with a sprained knee in 2002, didn't participate in 2003 spring practice because he was recovering from knee surgery, has had shoulder problems and durability is a substantial concern.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm done.
:D

[MJZiggy]

Good. I'm on list overload. For review, what positions still need to be filled?

[Deputy Nutz]

Somebody better go back and find the current roster of the Dragons.

[MJZiggy]

ROSTER

Pos Player 2006 Cap # Team
QB1 Daunte Culpepper $5,000,000 Min
QB2 Brian Griese $2,450,000 TB
QB3

RB1 Thomas Jones $2,250,000 Chi
RB2 Najeh Davenport $ 660,000 GB
RB3

FB1 Jim Kleinsasser $2,400,000 Min
FB2 William Henderson $1,170,000 GB

WR1 Terrell Owens $6,670,000 Phi
WR2 Isaac Bruce $6,500,000 StL
WR3 Charles Rogers $ 760,000 Det
WR4 Reche Caldwell $ 590,000 SD
WR5

TE1 Eric Johnson $1,550,000 SF
TE2 Brandon Manumaleuna $1,330,000 StL
TE3

OT1 Jon Runyan $4,170,000 Cle
OT2 L.J. Shelton $2,880,000 Cle
OT3 John St. Clair $ 750,000 Chi
OT4 Ephraim Salaam $ 670,000 Jac

OG1 Rick DeMulling $1,400,000 Det
OG2 Chris Liwiesnki $1,700,000 Min
OG3 Lennie Friedman $ 550,000 Chi
OG4

OC1 Matt Birk $3,940,000 Min
OC2 Russ Hochstein $ 600,000 NE

DE1 Greg Ellis $3,350,000 Dal
DE2 Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila $3,850,000 GB
DE3 Brett Keisel $1,490,000 Pit
DE4 Dwan Edwards $ 390,000 Bal
DE5

DT1 Rocky Bernard $2,400,000 Sea
DT2 Ryan Pickett $5,000,000 StL
DT3 Johnathan Sullivan $ 690,000 NO
DT4 Hollis Thomas $ 670,000 Phi
DT5

LB1 Will Witherspoon $3,750,000 Car
LB2 David Thornton $2,600,000 Ind
LB3 Dexter Coakley $1,500,000 StL
LB4 Ben Taylor $ 940,000 Cle
LB5 Shawn Barber $ 800,000 KC
LB6 Isaiah Kacyvenski $ 550,000 Sea

CB1 Charles Woodson $5,000,000 Oak
CB2 Sam Madison $1,850,000 Mia
CB3 Andre Dyson $2,200,000 Sea
CB4 Allen Rossum $ 670,000 Atl
CB5

S1 Lawyer Milloy $1,640,000 Buf
S2 Mike Green $1,440,000 Chi
S3 Bryan Scott $ 460,000 Atl
S4 Brian Russell $ 900,000 Cle

PK Ryan Longwell $1,310,000 GB
P Jason Baker $ 900,000 Car

Total Salary $92,340,000
Salary Cap $103,000,000
Rookie Pool $7,000,000
Remaining Cap Space $3,660,000

DRAFT PICKS

1 (1)
2 (1)
2 ( 18 ) – Traded to Minnesota
3 (1)
3 ( 18 )
4 (1)
4 ( 18 )
5 (1)
5 ( 18 )
6 (1)
6 ( 18 )
7 (1)
7 ( 18 )
7 (last pick)


Ask and ye shall receive (depending on what you ask for).

[HarveyWallbangers]

First-round material?
<Apr. 28> Daniel Bullocks has an outside shot of getting into the first round. The former Nebraska safety is on the Bengals' radar screen and there are some in Pittsburgh who would like him to be the Steelers' first-round choice. Bullocks' brother, Josh, was a second-round pick of the Saints last year.

[Deputy Nutz]

I will be honest I think the Dragons would like Bullocks in a New Mexico uniform if he falls to the second round.

The Dragons have some depth at safety, but boy are they old and injured.

[Deputy Nutz]

This just in. Minutes before the draft the New Mexico Dragons have signed Reggie Bush, running back from the University of Southern California to a 6 year 56 million dollar deal!

Congrats to everyone in the war room the Dragons first pick is out of the way! Lets build for the future gentlemen and ladies.

[Bretsky]

This just in. Minutes before the draft the New Mexico Dragons have signed Reggie Bush, running back from the University of Southern California to a 6 year 56 million dollar deal!

Congrats to everyone in the war room the Dragons first pick is out of the way! Lets build for the future gentlemen and ladies.


WE LOVE BUSH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a Great Day for Dragon Football.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Awesome!

[Deputy Nutz]

GIVE ME BUSH OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!!

[imscott72]

Dragons draft Bush??

[Deputy Nutz]

I figured since this isn't a real team that we pretty much have to draft for need, instead of depth and overall value.

In the second round, I think he have to look hard at offensive tackle, safety, tight end.

[Bretsky]

Dragons draft Bush??

YES

[imscott72]

Dragons draft Bush??

YES

Awesome. Just making sure it was official.

[Deputy Nutz]

Reggie Bush is really excited about moving to New Mexico. It is close to his hometown of San Deigo. He is more excited to be the face of the franchise.

[Bretsky]

Scott,

You've been pretty active recommending players.

Being the offensive coordinator, you should probably look over your roster and start trying to pound on Nutz to pick all players from your side. Isn't that what every coordinator does ? Wonder where Nick Barnett is ?

B

[imscott72]

Scott,

You've been pretty active recommending players.

Being the offensive coordinator, you should probably look over your roster and start trying to pound on Nutz to pick all players from your side. Isn't that what every coordinator does ? Wonder where Nick Barnett is ?

B

Yeah I'll take a look. Trying to keep up with the draft thread too..I can't type that fast..lol

[imscott72]

with our 2nd pick I'd like to see us grab Charles Spencer or Davin Joseph. We need some depth at guard.

[Deputy Nutz]

I don't think that is going to happen. Guard will be addressed later in the draft, that I can promise.

We have a lot of spots to fill and both offense and the defensive side of the ball will be happy with the selections that will be made.

[Deputy Nutz]

Bretsky, check your PM.

[Deputy Nutz]

The New Mexico Dragons Select: Daniel Bullocks Safety, from nebraska

[Bretsky]

The New Mexico Dragons Select: Daniel Bullocks Safety, from nebraska

GOOD PICK NUTZ; we need some youth and speed back there.

[Deputy Nutz]

The New Mexico Dragons with the 50th pick select: Leonard Pope, TE from the University of Georgia.

[Deputy Nutz]

With the 66th pick in the 2006 NFL Draft the New Mexico Dragons select: Ashton Youboty, CB from Ohio St

[Bretsky]

With the 66th pick in the 2006 NFL Draft the New Mexico Dragons select: Ashton Youboty, CB from Ohio St

THE DRAGONS GOT A STEAL WITH THAT PICK IMO

[Deputy Nutz]

With the 84th pick of the 2006 draft the New Mexicon Dragons select: Fred Matua, OG University of Southern California

[HarveyWallbangers]

Great draft

[Deputy Nutz]

Run down of the first day of the 2006 draft for the New Mexico Dragons.

1. Reggie Bush, RB, USC
2A. Daniel Bullocks, S, Nebraska
2B. Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia
3A. Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio St
3B. Fred Matua, OG, USC

[HarveyWallbangers]

Awesome.

[Tarlam!]

Welcome Players! You will all be supported and adored by the fans. It's not your fault your coming to an organization full of MUCKWITS!
:shock: :shock: :shock:

We welcome you with open wallets, please, come and rape our treasury! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

[Deputy Nutz]

With the first pick in round 4 the New Mexico Dragons select: Demetrius Williams, WR University of Oregon.

[Bretsky]

With the first pick in round 4 the New Mexico Dragons select: Demetrius Williams, WR University of Oregon.

AWESOME; NOW LET'S HAVE GREEN BAY TAKE HIM TOO

[Deputy Nutz]

With their second pick in round 4, the New Mexico Dragons select, Reggie McNeil, QB Texas A&M.

[MJZiggy]

Yip-friggin'-EEEEE!!!!

I like that kid for some reason.

[Deputy Nutz]

With the first pick in the 5th round the New Mexico Dragons select: Jerome Harrison, RB Washington St.

[Bretsky]

With the first pick in the 5th round the New Mexico Dragons select: Jerome Harrison, RB Washington St.

ANOTHER STEAL; NUTZ CAN YOU GIVE TT SOME IDEAS ???

[Deputy Nutz]

Looks like I might have reached on Matua. He had a phenominal workout, and hhe is pretty darn athletic for an offensive Guard.

Oh well I think that he could be a starter in a couple of years.

[Deputy Nutz]

With the second pick in the 5th round the New Mexico Dragons select: Julian Jenkins, DE Stanford.

[Deputy Nutz]

With the First pick in the 6th round the New Mexico Dragons select: Zach Strief, OT Northwestern.

[Deputy Nutz]

With their second pick in the 6th round pick the New Mexico Dragons select: Greg Eslinger, C from the University of Minnesota

[HarveyWallbangers]

Greg Eslinger.
:D

[Deputy Nutz]

With the First pick in the 7th round the New Mexico Dragons select: Hank Basket Jr, WR from the University of New Mexico.

[Deputy Nutz]

With their final pick of the 2006 draft the New Mexico Dragons select: Spencer Havner OLB UCLA

[Deputy Nutz]

Lets welcome the 1st draft class of the New Mexico Dragons!!!!!

1. Reggie Bush, RB, USC
2A. Daniel Bullocks, S, Nebraska
2B. Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia
3A. Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio St
3B. Fred Matua, OG, USC
4A. Demetrius Williams, WR, Oregon
4B. Reggie McNeil, QB, Texas A&M
5A. Jerome Harrison, RB, Washington St
5B. Julian Jenkins, DE, Stanford
6A. Zach Strief, OT, Northwestern
6B. Greg Eslinger, C, Minnesota
7A. Hank Baskett Jr., WR, New Mexico
7B. Spencer Havner, OLB, UCLA

Now Bretsky needs to get to work and sign some of these Rookie free agents!!!

[Bretsky]

Lets welcome the 1st draft class of the New Mexico Dragons!!!!!

1. Reggie Bush, RB, USC
2A. Daniel Bullocks, S, Nebraska
2B. Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia
3A. Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio St
3B. Fred Matua, OG, USC
4A. Demetrius Williams, WR, Oregon
4B. Reggie McNeil, QB, Texas A&M
5A. Jerome Harrison, RB, Washington St
5B. Julian Jenkins, DE, Stanford
6A. Zach Strief, OT, Northwestern
6B. Greg Eslinger, C, Minnesota
7A. Hank Baskett Jr., WR, New Mexico
7B. Spencer Havner, OLB, UCLA

Now Bretsky needs to get to work and sign some of these Rookie free agents!!!

If he's out there we're getting f'ckin Bernstein !!

[Deputy Nutz]

You better hurry up.

[Bretsky]

You better hurry up.

ZIGGY

What are my rules for siging free agents that didn't get drafted ? Am I restricted to a number ? Nutz, do you wanna pm me a list of possibilities that feel in your estimation ?

[HarveyWallbangers]

If he's out there we're getting f'ckin Bernstein !!

He won't make the team.
:D

[Bretsky]

If he's out there we're getting f'ckin Bernstein !!

He won't make the team.
:D


Heck, we're so dam good I'm not sure any of them will. But for Badgers we have a practice squad.

[MJZiggy]

You better hurry up.

ZIGGY

What are my rules for siging free agents that didn't get drafted ? Am I restricted to a number ? Nutz, do you wanna pm me a list of possibilities that feel in your estimation ?

You're not restricted to a number, you can sign a hundred of them as long as we have the salary cap room and we make the roster cutdowns on time.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Pos Player 2006 Cap #
QB1 Daunte Culpepper $5,000,000
QB2 Brian Griese $2,450,000
QB3 Reggie McNeal

RB1 Reggie Bush
RB2 Thomas Jones $2,250,000
RB3 Najeh Davenport $ 660,000
RB4 Jerome Harrison

FB1 Jim Kleinsasser $2,400,000
FB2 William Henderson $1,170,000

WR1 Terrell Owens $6,670,000
WR2 Isaac Bruce $6,500,000
WR3 Charles Rogers $ 760,000
WR4 Demetrius Williams
WR5 Reche Caldwell $ 590,000
WR6 Hank Baskett

TE1 Eric Johnson $1,550,000
TE2 Brandon Manumaleuna $1,330,000
TE3 Leonard Pope

OT1 Jon Runyan $4,170,000
OT2 L.J. Shelton $2,880,000
OT3 John St. Clair $ 750,000
OT4 Ephraim Salaam $ 670,000
OT5 Zach Strief

OG1 Rick DeMulling $1,400,000
OG2 Chris Liwiesnki $1,700,000
OG3 Fred Matua
OG4 Lennie Friedman $ 550,000

OC1 Matt Birk $3,940,000
OC2 Greg Eslinger
OC3 Russ Hochstein $ 600,000

DE1 Greg Ellis $3,350,000
DE2 Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila $3,850,000
DE3 Brett Keisel $1,490,000
DE4 Dwan Edwards $ 390,000
DE5 Julian Jenkins

DT1 Rocky Bernard $2,400,000
DT2 Ryan Pickett $5,000,000
DT3 Johnathan Sullivan $ 690,000
DT4 Hollis Thomas $ 670,000

LB1 Will Witherspoon $3,750,000
LB2 David Thornton $2,600,000
LB3 Dexter Coakley $1,500,000
LB4 Ben Taylor $ 940,000
LB5 Shawn Barber $ 800,000
LB6 Isaiah Kacyvenski $ 550,000
LB7 Spencer Havner

CB1 Charles Woodson $10,300,000
CB2 Sam Madison $1,850,000
CB3 Andre Dyson $1,550,000
CB4 Ashton Youbouty
CB5 Allen Rossum $ 670,000

S1 Lawyer Milloy $1,640,000
S2 Daniel Bullocks
S3 Mike Green $1,440,000
S4 Brian Russell $ 900,000
S5 Bryan Scott $ 460,000

PK Ryan Longwell $1,310,000
P Jason Baker $ 900,000

Total Salary $92,340,000
Salary Cap $103,000,000
Rookie Pool $7,000,000
Remaining Cap Space -$1,660,000

[HarveyWallbangers]

With Woodson getting a huge cap number for this year, we are actually over the cap limit, but we do have some veterans we can cut.

[MJZiggy]

Just remember the cap hit when you cut veterans. Their signing bonuses accelerate.

[Sparkey]

Just remember the cap hit when you cut veterans. Their signing bonuses accelerate.

Bush's contract needs to be added into the fray.

ALSO, only the top 53 guys count against the cap. That allows teams to bring in UDFA for competition.

[HarveyWallbangers]

We already set aside a rookie pool--which each team has. Last year, San Francisco had the #1 draft position and a bunch of picks and their rookie pool was around $7M. That's the baseline we used.

[HarveyWallbangers]

If you only count top 53, then we are okay. We are $1.6M over the cap when you count all 58 players. If you throw out Dwan Edwards $(390,000), Bryan Scott ($460,000), Isaiah Kacyvenski ($550,000), Lennie Friedman ($550,000), and Reche Caldwell ($590,000), we are $880,000 under the cap. There will be some veterans (Caldwell, Salaam, St. Clair, Friedman, Hochstein are some candidates) that end up getting cut also.

[imscott72]

Lets welcome the 1st draft class of the New Mexico Dragons!!!!!

1. Reggie Bush, RB, USC
2A. Daniel Bullocks, S, Nebraska
2B. Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia
3A. Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio St
3B. Fred Matua, OG, USC
4A. Demetrius Williams, WR, Oregon
4B. Reggie McNeil, QB, Texas A&M
5A. Jerome Harrison, RB, Washington St
5B. Julian Jenkins, DE, Stanford
6A. Zach Strief, OT, Northwestern
6B. Greg Eslinger, C, Minnesota
7A. Hank Baskett Jr., WR, New Mexico
7B. Spencer Havner, OLB, UCLA

Now Bretsky needs to get to work and sign some of these Rookie free agents!!!

Nice job Nutz. You reeled in some solid players on both sides of the ball.

[Deputy Nutz]

Quarterbacks
Vick, Marcus
6-0 201 Virginia Tech

Pinegar, Paul
6-5 231 Fresno State

Hackney, Darrell
6-0 238 Alabama-Birmingham

Meyer, Erik
6-1 209 Eastern Washington

Running Backs
Bell, Mike
6-0 222 Arizona

Hall, Andre
5-8 209 South Florida

Moore, DonTrell
5-10 209 New Mexico

Ross, Derrick
5-10 227 Tarleton State

Fullbacks
Bernstein, Matt
6-0 261 Wisconsin

Harris, Gilbert
6-2 222 Arizona

Hill, Quadtrine
6-0 210 Miami (Fla.)

Jones, Brandon
5-10 241 Purdue

Whitehead, Terrence
5-10 224 Oregon

Tight Ends
Bienemann, Troy
6-5 258 Washington State

Day, Tim
6-3 264 Oregon

Mix, Anthony
6-4 236 Auburn

Wallace, Cooper
6-3 262 Auburn

Offensive Tackles
Meadow, Robin
6-5 307 Washington

Roland, Jr., Dennis
6-9 302 Georgia

Guards
Wheeler, Stefon
6-5 347 Michigan State

Tella, Tony
6-4 308 Miami (Fla.)

Centers
Degory, Mike
6-4 297 Florida

Raiola, Donovan
6-2 296 Wisconsin

Ross, Pat
6-3 295 Boston College

Defensive Ends
Henderson, Eric
6-2 261 Georgia Tech

Kudla, Mike
6-2 261 Ohio State

Rice, Matthew
6-4 270 Penn State

Defensive Tackles
Anderson, Sir Henry
6-4 305 Oregon State

Jackson, Tommy 'T.J.'
6-0 305 Auburn

Brown, Manaia
6-3 302 Brigham Young

Outside linebackers
Bryan, Copeland
6-3 247 Arizona

Iwuh, Brian
5-11 235 Colorado

Kershaw, William
6-3 241 Maryland

Trucks, Anthony
6-1 234 Oregon

Inside Linebackers
Parham, Kai
6-3 255 Virginia

Roach, Freddie
6-2 251 Alabama

Robinson, Dale
6-0 232 Arizona State

Cornerbacks
Gordon, Charles
5-10 184 Kansas

Hunter, Darrell
6-0 207 Miami (Ohio)

Phillips, Anwar
6-0 192 Penn State

Williams, Tramon
5-11 181 Louisiana Tech

Wyatt, Justin
5-9 190 Southern California

Safeties
Demps, Marcus
6-0 202 San Diego State

Herring, Jarvis
5-11 208 Florida

Brooks, Darrell
6-0 200 Arizona

Harrell, Chris
6-0 208 Penn State

Slay, Dwayne
6-3 207 Texas Tech

Ware, Scott
6-1 215 Southern California

[Deputy Nutz]

Here is NFLDRAFTCOUNTDOWN"S TOP 50 undrafted players



http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/review/topundrafted.html

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'd recommend targeting these guys:

QB Darrell Hackney
RB Mike Bell
FB Matt Bernstein
TE Tim Day
OC Patrick Ross
DE Mike Kudla
DT Tommy Jackson
S/LB Brian Iwuh
CB Charles Gordon

[Charles Woodson]

are the dragons dead, seems i always have to bump it

[Deputy Nutz]

Well, my job is done, see you guys next April, I am off to scout a pee wee soccer game for future kicking prospects.

[MJZiggy]

Well, my job is done, see you guys next April, I am off to scout a pee wee soccer game for future kicking prospects.

We still need a linebackers coach...

[Deputy Nutz]

Sorry I don't dip my wick twice. I had the role on this team that I wanted, and now I am out. I think myself, Harv, and Bretsky set the organization for a long time.

[MJZiggy]

Report back next offseason.

[MJZiggy]

Ok gents. We have our team set for now. Where's my head coach? When's minicamp? I believe we get the same extra one that a new coach gets?

Fos, how's Daunte's knee coming? Any other major injury concerns to report? What's the haps in Dragon Land? The beasts of the desert want to know!

[Bretsky]

Report back next offseason.

After such an outstanding offseason, thanks to our wonderful staff and Nutz, I've taken a slight leave and will be back soon. Just noticed Charles Woodson's annual salary.........who the h@ll signed him anyways ?? Oh crap, that'd be me. I didn't ever imagine having his cap figured over 6MIL per year. ouch. It's apparent that our cap situation is tight; after such an outstanding draft we'll be evaluating the positions soon and may release a few veterans to let them pursue other less promising opportuities.

Cheers,
Bretsky

[LEWCWA]

We can look at releasing manumalla what ever is name is TE. He has been traded to San Diego and will be a back up their....Anyhow I think he is a good option to cut.

[LEWCWA]

This team is way to good to be an expansion team, we musta cheated!!

[HarveyWallbangers]

This team is way to good to be an expansion team, we musta cheated!!

We're just brilliant.
:D

[MJZiggy]

I'm bumping this three pages. I'll catch up to it eventually.

[MJZiggy]

Official New Mexico Dragons Press Release

The Dragons are pleased to announce the promotion of new Head Coach Harvey Wallbangers. Coach Bangers is quoted as saying he is very excited about this new opportunity and will give it his best shot as long as it doesn't take too much time away from the baby.

The team is delighted to have his level of expertise on the field and we look forward to a winning season.

Go Dragons!!

[HarveyWallbangers]

PRESS RELEASE from Harvey Wallbangers, head coach of the New Mexico Dragons:

The Dragons will be holding their first mini-camp this weekend. All practices will be open to the public.

We're excited to see the group together for the first time. The GM and Director of College Scouting have done a wonderful job of assembling a team that the fans can be proud of. I believe this team has a legitimate chance of competing for a championship in the first year, and that's something all Dragon fans should be excited about.

Currently, we have 58 players on the roster. The GM is in contract negotiations with several rookie FAs, and we anticipate signing many of them before the first mini-camp this weekend.

[HarveyWallbangers]

GM Bretsky, sign me some more players. My guys are going to get worn out if you don't.

[Bretsky]

GM Bretsky, sign me some more players. My guys are going to get worn out if you don't.

Patience is a virture Mr Wallbanger; I'm whining and dining several of them right now at the Dragon Club downtown and you will be sure to have some signatures by morning.