Is this right? Michael HUNT "It's difficult to see Driver playing another snap in green and gold."

[woodbuck27]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/its-difficult-to-see-driver-playing-another-snap-in-green-and-gold-151440445.html

Comment woodbuck27: I hope this isn't propoganda to help soften the blow of losing the last Pre Ted Thompson Era Packers. I hope Michael Hunt is mistaken.

Please CLICK on LINK for the whole story.

GO PACKERS !

[channtheman]

We have some big thread about Driver somewhere, but I as much as I love Driver, his time is done with the Packers.

[Fritz]

I have come around to this point of view as well. And it's not really about the money. It's about having a pipeline of young players.

[Brandon494]

Guess Im the only one who has faith in the old man.

[woodbuck27]

Guess Im the only one who has faith in the old man.

This is a tough one for me as he's my favourite Packer and going back from the day he was drafted. I've enjoyed watching this Packer Great.

I'm just a Packer fan. I'll not partake in any predictions and this wonderful Packer.

It's still ...GO Donald Driver for me.

I hate to think of DD in a Bears uniform. Worse wearing 'a LIONS number'. Somehow Ted Thompson has to work this out. Somehow reach a compromise with 'Donald Drivers value in himself' and consider DD's value as a leader on the Packers and in the community. There's alot at stake in this watch. Donald Driver is a very popular Green Bay Packer and now morso a popular NFL player.

He's still a top 50 WR in the NFL 'to boot'. He can still help alot of NFL TOP level teams.

TT has a head scratcher here. If he felt emotional over cutting ties with Nick Colins (sensable) and Chad Clifton (age/health/cost). Given all that's Donald Driver.

What will Ted Thompson and Donald Drivers HC Mike McCarthy agree to? I believe that Mike McCarthy is certainly emotionally invested in DD. I feel for MM and this one. Sure the young guys are hungry but this is a player that gives so much help and leadership. Donald Driver is SPECIAL.

This is an interesting watch. An excellent opportunity to see Ted Thompson 'the Man' Vs Ted Thompson the General Manager of the Green Bay Packers.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

We have some big thread about Driver somewhere, but I as much as I love Driver, his time is done with the Packers.

Ohh. (-: I'm quite sure your right but I have this little bit of hope and it's logic going on:

So many agree with you....but just because I can.... I'll play Devils Advocate and here goes 'nothing':

I don't believe it's a cut and dried situation channtheman.

I believe it's prudent for TT to come to some agreement with DD this season. Somehow keep Donald Driver under blanket in Green Bay. I believe there are teams in the NFCN just licking their lips hoping for a shot at this marvelous athlete.

It's my view that Ted Thompson has to exercise every faculty of his PR ability in this watch. Ted Thompson would demonstrate wisdom in retaining Donald Driver somehow this season.One more season and Donald Driver as one of our WR's. He deserves that much respect and the Green Bay Packers deserves his leadership.

I believe that The Green Bay community would agree with my assessment. As would Packer Nation.

GO PACKERS !

[Tony Oday]

I like him as a stabalizing influence in the WR corp. Get rid of a TE and add one of the practice squad guys to the active roster.

[woodbuck27]

I like him as a stabalizing influence in the WR corp. Get rid of a TE and add one of the practice squad guys to the active roster.

How much money does Ted Thompson have remaining in our CAP budject?

PACKERS !

[HarveyWallbangers]

I like him as a stabalizing influence in the WR corp. Get rid of a TE and add one of the practice squad guys to the active roster.

I'm thinking we'll carry one less TE, but only because we have more players in the front seven that we'll want to keep around.

[pbmax]

Wilde: Has the status of Donald Driver changed since the end of the year?

Coach: Listen, I know its a fun game for you guys in the seats and I to banter back and forth like the Algonquin Round Table or a tennis match between two European clay court specialists I have never heard of, but as far as our football team's focus, we are all about the next challenge. So we don't worry about the depth chart in April or veteran contracts in May or repetition counts in June. Donald is nobody's underdog. We are focused on Wednesday night's results show and nothing else.

Though I am hoping to take the wife to Frederick's of Hollywood before we leave.

[wist43]

It comes down to whether they can afford the roster spot... TT likes to keep anywhere from 5-12 TE's - maybe if DD bulked up??

[Smeefers]

I'm with ya Brandon. Reasons have already been given in previous threads.

[Fritz]

It's really not about having "faith" in Donald Driver. It's that he's 37 years old and not quite the receiver he once was, and the Packers have developed enough talent and depth at that position that his roster spot is no longer useful for an aging, albeit pretty effective, wide receiver who does not play special teams.

[channtheman]

It's really not about having "faith" in Donald Driver. It's that he's 37 years old and not quite the receiver he once was, and the Packers have developed enough talent and depth at that position that his roster spot is no longer useful for an aging, albeit pretty effective, wide receiver who does not play special teams.

Agreed. I'll add that I still think Driver could be a 3rd or 4th WR on this team, but then he is just taking away from the development of Cobb and Jones, and I don't see the point in that. Do you keep the aging veteran with maybe a year or 2 left, or do you sign the young guy eager to make an impact? Gotta go with the young guy.

[sheepshead]

That TD against the Giants was like Strahans last sack when Favre curled up. I don't see him taking up a spot sorry to say.

[Joemailman]

Guess Im the only one who has faith in the old man.

I wouldn't be shocked if they go with 6 WR's and 4 TE's if Quarless is put on IR for the year.

[Fritz]

If you're going to be spreading fairy dust here, Joe, I'd like you to please go to the Johnny Jolly thread and post something about how there's a good chance Jolly will have his NFL suspension lifted, and that you heard he's in remarkably good shape from working out in prison, that he's sincere in his attempts to get clean, and that it's rumored TT and MM are meeting with him once the suspension is lifted.

I need some help over there. My fantasy world is crumbling around me in that thread.

[woodbuck27]

That TD against the Giants was like Strahans last sack when Favre curled up. I don't see him taking up a spot sorry to say.

Ohh Boy.

mmmm whats that I see!?

Ohh ! Donald Drive taking pass's from Matthew Stafford. Donald Driver distracting attention away from Calvin Johnson. The Detroit Lions getting past the Green Bay Packers. How did that come to be? Never saw that coming.

What's Ted Thompson going to do?

Well he offered ** $20 Million$ for one former Packer to stand down. Maybe he went to school on that one??

Maybe he will offer 20% of that **; for DD 'to stand up'.... for.... one.... fricken ....more .... season !?

Come On Ted Thompson....think.

[Joemailman]

If you're going to be spreading fairy dust here, Joe, I'd like you to please go to the Johnny Jolly thread and post something about how there's a good chance Jolly will have his NFL suspension lifted, and that you heard he's in remarkably good shape from working out in prison, that he's sincere in his attempts to get clean, and that it's rumored TT and MM are meeting with him once the suspension is lifted.

I need some help over there. My fantasy world is crumbling around me in that thread.

Gotta say, he looks pretty good!

http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/images/ktrk/cms_exf_2007/_video_wn_images/8548867_448x252.jpg

[woodbuck27]

Gotta say, he looks pretty good!

http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/images/ktrk/cms_exf_2007/_video_wn_images/8548867_448x252.jpg

Donald Driver's ....Brothaa

[woodbuck27]

I do NOT want to see this:

2011-12 Detroit Lions Depth Chart;

http://www.detroitlions.com/team/depth-chart.html

Where you see either of the names Nate Burleson or Titus Young. Substitute the name:

Donald Driver >>> UPGRADE for 'the Detroit LIONS' !

Come on Ted Thompson. Donald Driver and one more season.

[Fritz]

I do NOT want to see this:

2011-12 Detroit Lions Depth Chart;

http://www.detroitlions.com/team/depth-chart.html

Where you see either of the names Nate Burleson or Titus Young. Substitute the name:

Donald Driver >>> UPGRADE for 'the Detroit LIONS' !

Come on Ted Thompson. Donald Driver and one more season.

Since Matt Millen is no longer running that team, there is no way on God's green earth you will see "Driver" instead of "Young," unless Young gets hurt.

[woodbuck27]

Since Matt Millen is no longer running that team, there is no way on God's green earth you will see "Driver" instead of "Young," unless Young gets hurt.

I don't want to see it Fritz.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Woody, why are you so set that Driver is going to the Lions or some other NFC North team should the Packers release him?

[woodbuck27]

Woody, why are you so set that Driver is going to the Lions or some other NFC North team should the Packers release him?

I'm not 'set on' anything. 'In fact' I hope and trust that TT will not release him this season.

If he's released and he doesn't want to retire he could end up with any NFL team. Including any NFCN team if that team see's an upgrade by acquiring him.

"Strictly fundamentle Watson." SH

I want Donald Driver to retire a Green Bay Packer; play his entire career in the NFL as a Green Bay Packer.

History often repeat itself... as lessons go unlearned.

GO PACKERS !

[ThunderDan]

I want Donald Driver to retire a Green Bay Packer; play his entire career in the NFL as a Green Bay Packer.

History often repeat itself... as lessons go unlearned.

GO PACKERS !

I understand the first sentence. Everyone wants their Packer hero to be a Packer for life. (Of course this rarely if every happens any more with free agency.)

What is the 2nd sentence about? Are you talking about BF? Becasue if you were, the DD and BF scenarios are about as polar opposite as you can have.

[gbgary]

Guess Im the only one who has faith in the old man.


I'm with ya Brandon. Reasons have already been given in previous threads.

me too. that catch he made late in the game against ??, on his tip toes, at the sideline, for a td, says he's still got it. one more year please.

[Fritz]

I don't want to see it Fritz.

You won't; at least not Driver in exchange for Titus Young. Young is a, well, young and talented receiver. They're not going to dump him for Driver. However, that's not to say they wont' try to sign Driver as their #3 guy if they think he's an upgrade over Burleson, or if someone gets hurt.

If Donald is released, I can see teams like the Jest or the Phins making a pitch.

[BobDobbs]

I don't think Ted knows what he's going to do yet, but Driver's still on the roster for a reason. They want to see what they've got and that's what camp is for. Driver will take a pay cut like Grant did last year and then he has to compete for a spot for the first time in a long time. He's going to be tough to cut. The young guys have been here long enough that they're going to have to outplay him to win a spot. It's definitely going to be a good reason to watch the 2nd half of the preseaon games.

Hard to see us keeping six WRs. Unless Gurley is a punt blocking machine or Borel wins the KR job. TT always overloads a position, but six wide outs are a lot to dress on game day.

I can't get too worked up about another team signing our cuts. That's life. It seems like we've got 7 WRs that are going to make someone's 53, can't keep 'em all. Someone's probably going to sign a LB or two of ours too. That just shows we're stocking talent. We traded Lorenzo out of the division because the Vikes needed a QB to make a title run. There's no team out there thinking "if we can just add a number 3 wide receiver we're in it this year"

DD is a Packer for life just like Jerry Rice is a 9er for life. It's all good.

I can't get too obsessed about other teams grabbing guys we cut.

[Gunakor]

Ohh Boy.

mmmm whats that I see!?

Ohh ! Donald Drive taking pass's from Matthew Stafford. Donald Driver distracting attention away from Calvin Johnson. The Detroit Lions getting past the Green Bay Packers. How did that come to be? Never saw that coming.

What's Ted Thompson going to do?

Well he offered ** $20 Million$ for one former Packer to stand down. Maybe he went to school on that one??

Maybe he will offer 20% of that **; for DD 'to stand up'.... for.... one.... fricken ....more .... season !?

Come On Ted Thompson....think.

You do know that the $20 million offered to that former Packer wasn't tied to the salary cap, and that the former Packer in question wouldn't be taking up a roster spot. You understand this, right? The two scenarios are not at all similar. Thompson could offer Driver all $20 million earmarked for that former Packer, but if he did, Driver wouldn't be allowed to play a single snap in a Packer jersey in 2012.

[woodbuck27]

I understand the first sentence. Everyone wants their Packer hero to be a Packer for life. (Of course this rarely if every happens any more with free agency.)

What is the 2nd sentence about? Are you talking about BF? Becasue if you were, the DD and BF scenarios are about as polar opposite as you can have.

Excuse me bud but I'm not getting sucked into any discussion about a former Packer and NFL player (retired) and anything Donald Driver. This Forum goes ballistic simply seeing that former packer's name. Many here have not come to terms with him maturely.

There 'in fact' is a similarity that has to do with 'the word loyalty'. That word and any players association with an NFL team is moot today; as neither the NFL player nor the powers to be in that teams organizational chart. Muster to that word. It's all about what can you do for me now...today. Loyalty is gone for much of Pro Sports.

The Packer organization was intent on trying to force that other player to retire.That has to be agreed as obvious and the figure $20 million$ will remind any Packer fan that's the TRUTH.

Let's focus on Donald Driver. Many have the opinion he has seen his last snap as a Green Bay Packer. Whatever....

If that's the case there is no need in Ted Thompson stalling the evident need to upgrade the WR position from a youth standpoint. Ted Thompson should respect Donald Driver and release him long before our teams TC. Donald Driver needs to elect his then FA status and act according to his needs.

What's the alternative? Ted Thompson has to pay DD his bonus before TC. I'm sure DD will be pleased to at least feel he has a chance to win a spot and start game one of this season wearing our colors.

I'll not see Ted Thompson in a good light if he stalls it all until late June when that bonus to DD is due and then releases this Packer GREAT. As a Packer fan and if that's the case. I'll see that as reflecting poorly on the character of Ted Thompson. As a fan of Donald Driver I'll not appreciate such a lack of respect for a Packer great.

That's my position and it's not debateable. I refuse to ever get sucked into useless debate when my position is so formed.

GO PACKERS !

[Pugger]

Excuse me bud but I'm not getting sucked into any discussion about a former Packer and NFL player (retired) and anything Donald Driver. This Forum goes ballistic simply seeing that former packer's name. Many here have not come to terms with him maturely.

There 'in fact' is a similarity that has to do with 'the word loyalty'. That word and any players association with an NFL team is moot today; as neither the NFL player nor the powers to be in that teams organizational chart muster to that word. It's all about what can you do for me now...today.

The Packer organization was intent on trying to force that other player to retire.That has to be agreed as obvious and the figure $20 million$ will remind you that's a fact or the TRUTH.

Let's focus on Donald Driver please. Many have the opinion he has seen his last snap as a Green Bayb Packer. Whatever....

If that's the case there is no need in Ted Thompson stalling the evident need to upgrade the WR position from a youth standpoint. Ted Thompson needs to release Donald Driver long before our teams TC. Donald Driver needs to elect his then FA status and act according to his needs.What is the alternative. Ted thompson has to pay DD his bonus and if that is due before TC and TT comes through on that bonus I'm sure DD will be pleased to at least feel he has a chance to win a spot and start game one of this season.

I will not see Ted Thompson in a goood light if he stalls it all until late June when that bonus to DD is due and then releases this Packer GREAT. As a Packer fan if that's the case. I'll see that as reflecting poorly on the character of Ted Thompson. As a fan of Donald Driver I'll not appreciate such a lack of respect for a Packer great.

That's my position and it's not debateable. I refuse to ever get sucked into useless debate when I'm obviously correct.

GO Packers !

No, the Packers were intent on forcing that player to REMAIN retired. If Donald retires and then tries to come back but thumbs his nose at competing for his old job then the situations will be similar.

[Brandon494]

I don't think Ted knows what he's going to do yet, but Driver's still on the roster for a reason. They want to see what they've got and that's what camp is for. Driver will take a pay cut like Grant did last year and then he has to compete for a spot for the first time in a long time. He's going to be tough to cut. The young guys have been here long enough that they're going to have to outplay him to win a spot. It's definitely going to be a good reason to watch the 2nd half of the preseaon games.

Hard to see us keeping six WRs. Unless Gurley is a punt blocking machine or Borel wins the KR job. TT always overloads a position, but six wide outs are a lot to dress on game day.

I can't get too worked up about another team signing our cuts. That's life. It seems like we've got 7 WRs that are going to make someone's 53, can't keep 'em all. Someone's probably going to sign a LB or two of ours too. That just shows we're stocking talent. We traded Lorenzo out of the division because the Vikes needed a QB to make a title run. There's no team out there thinking "if we can just add a number 3 wide receiver we're in it this year"

DD is a Packer for life just like Jerry Rice is a 9er for life. It's all good.

I can't get too obsessed about other teams grabbing guys we cut.

Actually a lot of teams carry 6 WRs and we pass the ball more than anyone in the league except for a few teams. I see no reason why we can't keep 6 WRs and 4 TEs instead of 5 and 5 like last season, especially with Quarless being in doubt because of injury.

[woodbuck27]

You won't; at least not Driver in exchange for Titus Young. Young is a, well, young and talented receiver. They're not going to dump him for Driver. However, that's not to say they wont' try to sign Driver as their #3 guy if they think he's an upgrade over Burleson, or if someone gets hurt.

If Donald is released, I can see teams like the Jest or the Phins making a pitch.

Hi Fritz: DD is a top 40 WR in the NFL. If any team gives this athlete half a better chance then he saw in Green Bay...look out! Donald Driver is certainly SPECIAL. Donald Driver will upgrade any NFL teams WR Corps. If TT doesn't value Donald over need to see new blood or move forward fine. Release Donald Driver ASAP. Let Donald Driver begin to decide his future respectfully.

Let the cards fall as they may. Wherever he lands so be it. Deal with it then come what may.

Ted Thompson cannot cover all the fricken' bases on this one. Surely he's learned that lesson. I'm a Green Bay Packer fan. I'm an NFL fan. I'm a Donald Driver fanand I want to see Donald Driver happy catching TD pass's somewhere. As far as that being in a Lions uni. If I'm their GM and he comes on the FA market. I want him yesterday.

It's like NHL hockey players and that Pro sport is huge in Canada. Trades are a big part of the game. Players are being shifted around the NHL often. You allow one to get to another team and when that player's new team meets his old. He's going to play the best game of his lifetime or try to. You know he wants to have his revenge. Stick it to the old teams GM. Not the team as he maintains reasonable respect for former teammates.

He wants to punish his old GM for no loyalty or appreciation.

Again that's simply a fact of Pro Sports in general and NOT any revelation.

Donald Driver over Nate Burelson in Detroit? Absolutely.... and yes Titus Young is a maturing talent.

Get this done soon and with respect Ted Thompson. Keep DD for one more season or release him ASAP.

Ted Thompson....have respect for Donald Driver.

GO PACKERS !

[Smeefers]

I don't think Ted knows what he's going to do yet, but Driver's still on the roster for a reason. They want to see what they've got and that's what camp is for. Driver will take a pay cut like Grant did last year and then he has to compete for a spot for the first time in a long time. He's going to be tough to cut. The young guys have been here long enough that they're going to have to outplay him to win a spot. It's definitely going to be a good reason to watch the 2nd half of the preseaon games.

Hard to see us keeping six WRs. Unless Gurley is a punt blocking machine or Borel wins the KR job. TT always overloads a position, but six wide outs are a lot to dress on game day.

I can't get too worked up about another team signing our cuts. That's life. It seems like we've got 7 WRs that are going to make someone's 53, can't keep 'em all. Someone's probably going to sign a LB or two of ours too. That just shows we're stocking talent. We traded Lorenzo out of the division because the Vikes needed a QB to make a title run. There's no team out there thinking "if we can just add a number 3 wide receiver we're in it this year"

DD is a Packer for life just like Jerry Rice is a 9er for life. It's all good.

I can't get too obsessed about other teams grabbing guys we cut.

I think Driver has been fighting for his spot for years now. It's actually kind of amazing that he's been past his prime for so long and has still had such a large part of our offense.

I also think that if Driver does go, he improves any team he goes to purely due to his work ethic. A lot of WR's get hit and go down. I've never seen a WR in the league fight for one more yard like Driver does except for now Jennings and Jones. I believe that is considered value and I think if we do let him go, that he'd be in high demand. Remember, regardless of #'s, last year he was still slotted as our #2. This year, I think he's slotted as our #3.

[Gunakor]

If TT doesn't value Donald over need to see new blood or move forward fine. Release Donald Driver ASAP. Let Donald Driver begin to decide his future respectfully.


Thing is, we won't know his value to us until the middle of August. You can't simply assume the DD stepping on the field in August is the same DD that walked off in January. Can't cut him now, gotta give him a shot to prove himself in camp and preseason. Same as the youngbloods hoping to take that roster spot from him.

If you are looking at this from the perspective of Thompson, you look at Driver as an asset. Not a player you're married to, but not a player you're quite ready to throw away either. Driver is an asset until we know we have something better. And since we won't know that ASAP, letting him go ASAP would be foolish. Still doesn't mean he's gonna make the team. Maybe that isn't the best way for Driver, but that isn't the point anyways. The point is to win championships.

Personally, I hope he makes the team. I think he'd win any fair and open competition for the last WR spot on the roster IF that last WR spot on the roster isn't absolutely needed for a special teams contributor. I think he could still be an asset for any NFL team including ours. But that remains to be seen.

To avoid emotional conflict, I choose to stay married to the franchise rather than the players. Because the franchise isn't going anywhere. If he doesn't make the roster this year, wish him well and move on. There are 5 other guys on the roster at WR to cheer for. This is a business, the business is championships. Not making sure players can play their entire careers in one city. Ted Thompson....do what's best for the 2012 Green Bay Packers.

[woodbuck27]

Thing is, we won't know his value to us until the middle of August. You can't simply assume the DD stepping on the field in August is the same DD that walked off in January. Can't cut him now, gotta give him a shot to prove himself in camp and preseason. Same as the youngbloods hoping to take that roster spot from him.

If you are looking at this from the perspective of Thompson, you look at Driver as an asset. Not a player you're married to, but not a player you're quite ready to throw away either. Driver is an asset until we know we have something better. And since we won't know that ASAP, letting him go ASAP would be foolish. Still doesn't mean he's gonna make the team. Maybe that isn't the best way for Driver, but that isn't the point anyways. The point is to win championships.

Personally, I hope he makes the team. I think he'd win any fair and open competition for the last WR spot on the roster IF that last WR spot on the roster isn't absolutely needed for a special teams contributor. I think he could still be an asset for any NFL team including ours. But that remains to be seen.

To avoid emotional conflict, I choose to stay married to the franchise rather than the players. Because the franchise isn't going anywhere. If he doesn't make the roster this year, wish him well and move on. There are 5 other guys on the roster at WR to cheer for. This is a business, the business is championships. Not making sure players can play their entire careers in one city. Ted Thompson....do what's best for the 2012 Green Bay Packers.

I cannot disagree with that solid post. You make valid points on all accounts. Good post.

[ThunderDan]

Excuse me bud but I'm not getting sucked into any discussion about a former Packer and NFL player (retired) and anything Donald Driver. This Forum goes ballistic simply seeing that former packer's name. Many here have not come to terms with him maturely.

There 'in fact' is a similarity that has to do with 'the word loyalty'. That word and any players association with an NFL team is moot today; as neither the NFL player nor the powers to be in that teams organizational chart. Muster to that word. It's all about what can you do for me now...today. Loyalty is gone for much of Pro Sports.

That's my position and it's not debateable. I refuse to ever get sucked into useless debate when my position is so formed.



I think you were the one who said history will repeat itself not me. I asked if you meant BF. I am not trying to do anything but clarify what your point above was.

[ThunderDan]

Ted Thompson had to be careful not to make moves that would please that Packer GREAT or extend him as a Packer as the focus was on 'that players exit plan'. So it was to come and be until we come to 'the straw that broke the camels back'.Ted Thompson ensureing that Randy Moss went from Oakland to New England and not to Green Bay as a weapon for the possible prolonging of the Packer GREAT's career. Afterall that move or Randt Moss in Green and Gold would have certainly demonstrated support for 'that Packer GREAT' and that wasn't on the agenda.



To even assert that a GM makes moves to not help his team win games is laughable and a quick way for a GM to get fired.

[Smidgeon]

I think Driver has been fighting for his spot for years now. It's actually kind of amazing that he's been past his prime for so long and has still had such a large part of our offense.

I also think that if Driver does go, he improves any team he goes to purely due to his work ethic. A lot of WR's get hit and go down. I've never seen a WR in the league fight for one more yard like Driver does except for now Jennings and Jones. I believe that is considered value and I think if we do let him go, that he'd be in high demand. Remember, regardless of #'s, last year he was still slotted as our #2. This year, I think he's slotted as our #3.

I don't think he even gets that this year if he is on the team. Unless it's nominal only. Cobb must be on the field more than Driver this year. And Jones is no slouch either.

[woodbuck27]

Since Matt Millen is no longer running that team, there is no way on God's green earth you will see "Driver" instead of "Young," unless Young gets hurt.

Fritz there's also all of this going down and WR in Detroit:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120517/SPORTS0101/205170355/Lions-impressed-by-receiver-Patrick-Edwards?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

How much 'more REAL' will this team get Fritz? It sure looks like the teams leadership has recovered from the Matt Millen disaster and done so rather quickly.

GO PACKERS !

[BobDobbs]

Actually a lot of teams carry 6 WRs and we pass the ball more than anyone in the league except for a few teams. I see no reason why we can't keep 6 WRs and 4 TEs instead of 5 and 5 like last season, especially with Quarless being in doubt because of injury.

They could keep six. I just feel like the last couple years there has been a bigger emphasis on winning the special teams battle. So they give priority to TEs, LBs, and FBs. If I had to guess right now I'd guess they'd keep an extra LB to take up that 5th TE spot or maybe the FB.

I think they kept 11 OL a few years ago, so what do I know? They'll probably keep all four QBs.

My head says that Driver is gone, my gut says that he's here this season

<Sorry to interrupt the BLF discussion :)>

[Cheesehead Craig]

They could keep six. I just feel like the last couple years there has been a bigger emphasis on winning the special teams battle. So they give priority to TEs, LBs, and FBs. If I had to guess right now I'd guess they'd keep an extra LB to take up that 5th TE spot or maybe the FB.

I think they kept 11 OL a few years ago, so what do I know? They'll probably keep all four QBs.

My head says that Driver is gone, my gut says that he's here this season

<Sorry to interrupt the BLF discussion :)>
I don't think they'll keep 2 FBs on the roster. That's what they use all the TE's for, as a substitute FB and they tend to be faster and better receivers than the FB when coming out of the backfield.

I could see them going the 4 TE, 6WR look others have mentioned with a WR inactive for gamedays. Although given the DL and LB issues from last season, perhaps only 4 TE, 5 WR and the extra roster spot for a LB or DL instead will be the way they go.

[sharpe1027]

I don't think they'll keep 2 FBs on the roster. That's what they use all the TE's for, as a substitute FB and they tend to be faster and better receivers than the FB when coming out of the backfield.

I could see them going the 4 TE, 6WR look others have mentioned with a WR inactive for gamedays. Although given the DL and LB issues from last season, perhaps only 4 TE, 5 WR and the extra roster spot for a LB or DL instead will be the way they go.

Good point, but I doubt they add a spot for DL since the will be able to carry 2 extra DL for first 4 and 8 weeks without taking up a roster spot. They can't play early on, but the risk of injury is a lot less over 4 or 8 weeks than over a whole season. After our suspended duo come back, then the Packer's might drop someone from another position. By that time, they might have injuries somewhere that have opened a spot anyway.

Maybe they planned to use the suspensions as a tool to carry more players early in the year...for Hargrove that's a possibility. ;)

[Joemailman]

Driver's agent expects Driver back with Packers.

http://blogs.greenbaypressgazette.com/blogs/gpg/insider/2012/05/17/agent-expects-driver-to-play-for-packers/


“The Packers have always wanted Donald back and we have always planned on him playing there,” Jorday Woy told profootballtalk.com via email. “He has been busy with the (Dancing With The Stars) show and the team knows that. I discussed deal structure with the team a while ago and we will work out the details once Donald returns to Green Bay.”

[Old School]

I love DD and certainly wouldn't want to see him wearing another jersey. Worse yet I don't want him catching TD's against us for the next year or two; especially in our division.

Worse yet would be to cut off the developement of Cobb, or ....... watching Gurly or Borel catching TD's against us; especially in our division for THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

[Smeefers]

:jack:

Okay folks, move along, nothing to see here.

[ThunderDan]

BF obviously didn't want to play in that game.


Ohh Boy. Can we get out the game tape and have a look. Brett Favre looked frozen (very very cold) with the ambient that day. He was in some sort of shock. Damn MM decided that for that weeks practice(s).
He was 'in shock' with the frigid temperature. I never saw him look so out of sorts.

Hey Bud. If I took your ass from the Swedish sauna to the cold Bay of Fundy in January. How would you stand up man?



You can absolutely hate Favre the person off the field and still respect what he did on the field. He is a first ballot HOFer. He is also a penis snapping, e-mail sending idiot.

Hey woodbuck!

Please take time to read and comprehend the post before commenting.

I was commenting on that one game and not BF's career. In fact I wrote the above about BF a week or so ago.

As per the cold, it was my people that "found" Greenland, Iceland and Canada and brought our "saunas" with us. I have no problem with the cold.

[woodbuck27]

Sometimes we will not seem to agree but the exercise in getting there is often entertaining:

It's the old saying about great ideas:

TRUTH passes through three stages:

First, it is ridiculed;

Second, it's often visciously/violently opposed;

Third, we arrive at TRUTH.

Often it's finally accepted as self-evident.

[Smidgeon]

I love DD and certainly wouldn't want to see him wearing another jersey. Worse yet I don't want him catching TD's against us for the next year or two; especially in our division.

Worse yet would be to cut off the developement of Cobb, or ....... watching Gurly or Borel catching TD's against us; especially in our division for THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

+1

[woodbuck27]

+1

Ted Thompson has one of the toughest decisions to make in his time as our GM RE: Donald Driver.

Letting DD go before TC will not be easy and will certainly tug hard on his emotions. I wouldn't want to be TT on this one.

[Pugger]

Seeing how Driver is still on the roster chances are he'll come to TC and compete, just like everybody not wearing #12. ;-)

[woodbuck27]

Seeing how Driver is still on the roster chances are he'll come to TC and compete, just like everybody not wearing #12. ;-)


I've 'no doubt' that DD will be competitive. It needs to be the same across the board. We as Packer fans need to see the very best on our Roster this season.

The re-treads time is gone. It's time to see talent on our team.

GO PACKERS !

[MadtownPacker]

You folks may notice some post are missing from this thread. They have been move to the Favre thread. It appears there cant be any mention of Favre without it absorbing the thread so keep it where it belongs everyone, in the Favre thread.

Woody, consider this strike 2 for today.

[channtheman]

That motherfuckers name is seriously Michael Hunt? I wonder if he ever goes by Mike.

[gbgary]

That motherfuckers name is seriously Michael Hunt? I wonder if he ever goes by Mike.

ha! there's a guy at one of our suppliers named richard head...seriously.

[BobDobbs]

Richard Head meet Michael Hunt. Maybe they should hook up. They might have some fun together. :)

[gbgary]

Richard Head meet Michael Hunt. Maybe they should hook up. They might have some fun together. :)

the things parents do to their kids. i bet it was worse for richard than it was michael. bet the first time the teachers called out mike's name at roll call it got a lot of laughs.

[Pugger]

Ted Thompson has one of the toughest decisions to make in his time as our GM RE: Donald Driver.

Letting DD go before TC will not be easy and will certainly tug hard on his emotions. I wouldn't want to be TT on this one.

I don't know if it is TT's decision. TT acquires the players for MM and his staff I am under the impression that personnel decisions as far as who stays and who goes is mostly McCarthy's...? :cnf:

[Iron Mike]

Richard Head meet Michael Hunt. Maybe they should hook up. They might have some fun together. :)

I worked with a guy named Dick for a short while. Daily, somebody would invariably ask him "You got a pencil, Dick?" He would reply affirmatively, to a chorus of laughter. Never failed.

[pbmax]

I don't know if it is TT's decision. TT acquires the players for MM and his staff I am under the impression that personnel decisions as far as who stays and who goes is mostly McCarthy's...? :cnf:

Nope, Teddy gets to make the call with M3's input.

[Deputy Nutz]

Another veteran player that can still play at a high level is unwanted in Green Bay. Much less for a practice squad player.

[Joemailman]

Nope, Teddy gets to make the call with M3's input.

Yep. It might seem sometimes the decisions are made by MM, but that's more because TT and MM don't air any differences publicly. Actually, I get the sense they have the same philosophy on how to build a team, so their differences aren't very significant. The decision on whether to bring Driver to camp will be TT's. I suspect MM may have a bit more influence on the Driver situation when it comes time to put together the 53 man roster.

[Deputy Nutz]

I think it was McCarthy's call on Favre. Favre and McCarthy were the two that met for 3 hours in training camp and came away with nothing. Ted was the one in charge of dealing with Favre when McCarthy made up his mind that Favre wasn't going to fit in Green Bay anymore.

That is my honest opinion, Driver is a little different because you are talking about salary and when he is due payment. I don't think anyone on these forums thinks that Gurley or Borely are going to put up the same numbers that Driver is going to put up in 2012, but it comes down to getting younger, getting more athletes on special teams.

[Smidgeon]

Yep. It might seem sometimes the decisions are made by MM, but that's more because TT and MM don't air any differences publicly. Actually, I get the sense they have the same philosophy on how to build a team, so their differences aren't very significant. The decision on whether to bring Driver to camp will be TT's. I suspect MM may have a bit more influence on the Driver situation when it comes time to put together the 53 man roster.

Agreed. Wholeheartedly. And I think this is why their method has been as successful as it has been.

[Brandon494]

Favre and Driver situations are nothing alike.

[sharpe1027]

Another veteran player that can still play at a high level is unwanted in Green Bay. Much less for a practice squad player.

He is unwanted in Green Bay? This is not a situation where the Packers are stuck between a rock and a hard place because they had already moved forward under the assumption that Driver will not be back (both in terms of salary and replacements). They'll simply look at all the evidence and make the best call for the team.

If they think he can still play at a high level, he will still be wanted in Green Bay. If they think he can't still play at a high level, then what would you want them to do?

[Deputy Nutz]

See my post above.

[Deputy Nutz]

Favre and Driver situations are nothing alike.

Care to offer more than that?

[woodbuck27]

I think it was McCarthy's call on Favre. Favre and McCarthy were the two that met for 3 hours in training camp and came away with nothing. Ted was the one in charge of dealing with Favre when McCarthy made up his mind that Favre wasn't going to fit in Green Bay anymore.

That is my honest opinion, Driver is a little different because you are talking about salary and when he is due payment. I don't think anyone on these forums thinks that Gurley or Borely are going to put up the same numbers that Driver is going to put up in 2012, but it comes down to getting younger, getting more athletes on special teams.

and saving money.

[sharpe1027]

Nutz, you admittedly seemed to back off a bit in the one post, but when you say "Another veteran player that can still play at a high level is unwanted in Green Bay. Much less for a practice squad player" you seem to be concluding that a decision has already been made and that the decision is not being made on ability/performance. I don't buy that argument. If they think Driver is still capable of playing at a high level, I think they keep him around.

[Deputy Nutz]

But what is a high value worth in comparison? Is he the teams 3rd best WR? Then they should keep him, but if he is not better than Jones will they let him go? My point is he a training camp cut, or is he cut prior to training camp. I thought he was due a roster bonus before the start of training camp. I might be wrong.

[woodbuck27]

Nutz, you admittedly seemed to back off a bit in the one post, but when you say "Another veteran player that can still play at a high level is unwanted in Green Bay. Much less for a practice squad player" you seem to be concluding that a decision has already been made and that the decision is not being made on ability/performance. I don't buy that argument. If they think Driver is still capable of playing at a high level, I think they keep him around.

Why not keep him around because he deserves another season based on 'the fact' that even being utilized last season a limited capasity, he's a top 50 WR in the NFL?

Given his service and the afore mentioned fact and his desire to contribute to the Packers this season he deserves certain respect?

[sharpe1027]

He was arguably the 3rd best last year, but not by a wide margin. It is difficult for me to believe he doesn't lose a little bit more and that Cobb doesn't improve at least little bit as well. So, my best guess is that he is no better than 4th best, possibly sliding all the way to 5th best.

Driver is due about $1.5 Mil at the first day of training camp and about $5 Mil total for the year. He has game-day roster bonuses of $700K per game. So, there is a big chunk due right away, but they could still save about $3.5 Mil by letting him go during preseason. They may take a hard look at him in the offseason workout program and make a decision before camp starts. I think there's a good chance he gets cut before training camp starts. If they let him into training camp, I think he's got a better than a 50/50 chance of staying on the team.

[woodbuck27]

He was arguably the 3rd best last year, but not by a wide margin. It is difficult for me to believe he doesn't lose a little bit more and that Cobb doesn't improve at least little bit as well. So, my best guess is that he is no better than 4th best, possibly sliding all the way to 5th best.

Driver is due about $1.5 Mil at the first day of training camp and about $5 Mil total for the year. He has game-day roster bonuses of $700K per game. So, there is a big chunk due right away, but they could still save about $3.5 Mil by letting him go during preseason. They may take a hard look at him in the offseason workout program and make a decision before camp starts. I think there's a good chance he gets cut before camp start. If they let him into training camp, I think he's got a better than a 50/50 chance of staying on the team.

This is Donald Driver. If TT allows him to get to TC. He will shine.

[sharpe1027]

This is Donald Driver. If TT allows him to get to TC. He will shine.

Yes, unless he doesn't shine.

[Joemailman]

If Driver is in TC, that will be an interesting dynamic. It's been a long time since he's been fighting for a roster spot. I wouldn't bet against him if healthy.

[Deputy Nutz]

If Driver is in training camp then he will be on the regular season roster. they are not going to pay him 1.5 million and then cut him 2 weeks into training camp.

[Joemailman]

If Driver is in training camp then he will be on the regular season roster. they are not going to pay him 1.5 million and then cut him 2 weeks into training camp.

I'm thinking Driver's contract will be restructured to get rid of the guaranteed money. Driver's agent said this:


I discussed deal structure with the team a while ago and we will work out the details once Donald returns to Green Bay.”

[MJZiggy]

What I think you guys are forgetting is that MM, AR, and Clay all showed up on the set of DWTS and there ain't no WAY M3 is walking onto that set for someone who won't even be around in a few weeks. :)

[BobDobbs]

I think it's pretty obvious that Driver is going to be in camp and that his 1.5 million bonus will be negotiated away. I take MM at his word when he says they aren't making decisions on the 53 in May.

Say they cut him before camp and then we have a slew of injuries at WR. Oops.

Also, Gurley and Borel could easily be cut. In the media discussions around this I keep reading that its telling that the Packers paid them NFL minimum salary to stay(for a whole three weeks) and how it shows a commitment for the future. That's a bit of it.
But I think it shows that a team headed toward the playoffs felt like spending $120,000 on top of a 120 million dollar payroll was a good investment in case someone went down. If you have a WR injury in week 16 do you want to scour the waiver wire and the couches of America or plug in a guy who's been practicing with your team all year?

That fact is that for the first time in a long time it's not just Driver's level of play that decides if he's on the 53. It's also the potential of other players, our special team needs, how many we keep at other positions, his leadership, and whether he'll be alright as a inactive on game day at times.

Jennings, Jordy, and Cobb are the only locks. Jones has a better chance than the rest because he is a young veteran and cheap. Everybody else has to force managment to say, "We need him on this team".

[Harlan Huckleby]

maybe this was posted already, Oates see Driver as done.
http://host.madison.com/sports/columnists/tom_oates/tom-oates-stage-set-for-driver-s-exit-from-green/article_1269ca58-a178-11e1-90e4-0019bb2963f4.html

[Pugger]

What I think you guys are forgetting is that MM, AR, and Clay all showed up on the set of DWTS and there ain't no WAY M3 is walking onto that set for someone who won't even be around in a few weeks. :)

This what I thought of too when I saw MM showed up on the set.

[Deputy Nutz]

Great we are predicting rosters based on who shows up on a reality show. Real harding hitting stuff here on Packerrats.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Mick Jagger did a funny impression of Steven Tyler on SNL. "Dancing at outdoor music festivals" show

[Brandon494]

Care to offer more than that?

Don't remember Driver having a press conference on retiring... I'll leave it at that.

[Deputy Nutz]

Another hard hitting opinion piece from Brandon.

[Brandon494]

I mean there is plenty more I could add just not really trying to get in a argument with you over something so stupid and pointless.

[George Cumby]

Great we are predicting rosters based on who shows up on a reality show. Real harding hitting stuff here on Packerrats.

Not that I really care, but what else is there to talk about?

[Deputy Nutz]

Funny I just mentioned the same thing in the Favre thread about this thread.

[Fritz]

Well, after having said to Woody that the Leos would never pick up DD in place of Titus Young, I read this from the Detroit News...

"Frankly, for all the worries about Fairley and Leshoure running afoul of the law — dopey doesn't begin to describe Leshoure getting busted for marijuana possession twice in two months last winter — the bigger concern among last year's rookies has to be Titus Young's behavior.

The first of the team's two second-round picks in 2011 — Leshoure was the other — didn't exactly endear himself to teammates with some of his flaky, selfish antics last season. And after reportedly sucker-punching Louis Delmas last week after an argument during a workout, he was told to stay away from the practice facility until further notice. Sure, the regular season is four months away — and "team chemistry" is hugely overrated this time of year — but that's not the kind of no-contact drill any team wants."

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120522/OPINION03/205220325#ixzz1vcQeO95

So...maybe I'll be wrong. Ya never know.

[woodbuck27]

Well, after having said to Woody that the Leos would never pick up DD in place of Titus Young, I read this from the Detroit News...

"Frankly, for all the worries about Fairley and Leshoure running afoul of the law — dopey doesn't begin to describe Leshoure getting busted for marijuana possession twice in two months last winter — the bigger concern among last year's rookies has to be Titus Young's behavior.

The first of the team's two second-round picks in 2011 — Leshoure was the other — didn't exactly endear himself to teammates with some of his flaky, selfish antics last season. And after reportedly sucker-punching Louis Delmas last week after an argument during a workout, he was told to stay away from the practice facility until further notice. Sure, the regular season is four months away — and "team chemistry" is hugely overrated this time of year — but that's not the kind of no-contact drill any team wants."

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120522/OPINION03/205220325#ixzz1vcQeO95

So...maybe I'll be wrong. Ya never know.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82933254/article/donald-driver-emphasizes-intention-to-stay-with-packers

Donald Driver emphasizes intention to stay with Packers

NFL.com
Published: May 18, 2012 at 10:36 p.m.
"Green Bay Packers receiver Donald Driver clarified the meaning behind a bizarre tweet about his future with the team (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d8292ad23) on Friday, saying that he wanted only to illustrate his commitment to the franchise.

I think so many people right now are worried if I'm going to be a Packer," Driver told the Green Bay Press Gazette (http://blogs.greenbaypressgazette.com/blogs/gpg/insider/2012/05/18/driver-my-contract-with-packers-not-over/) on Friday. "I'm still under contract. My contract is not over with the Packers. I will be a Packer for life. I don't think that's ever going to change." Fr. LINK

Please Click on the LINK for the rest of the story.

GO Donald Driver and the GREEN BAY PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/experience-in-drivers-seat-4i5hde0-153392915.html

Antonio Freeman hopes veteran 'Donald Driver' is back in Green Bay in 2012.

By Tyler Dunne (tdunne@journalsentinel.com) of the Journal Sentinel
May 23, 2012

Green Bay -

Donald Driver had a point-blank message for Antonio Freeman. And he made himself very clear.

It was 2003. Fresh off his first 1,000-yard season - a breakout season for the former seventh-round pick - Driver suffered a wincing neck injury in the Green Bay Packers' season opener. He was expected to miss multiple weeks. With two other receivers also injured, Packers' coach/general manager Mike Sherman buried the hatchet and brought Freeman back.

So, in the locker room, Driver was sure to get Freeman's attention right away.

"His exact words to me were, 'Uh-uh, sweet dog. I have to get back on the field. I can't let you come back and take what I worked so hard to earn,' " Freeman said.

"One week later, Donald Driver was back in the lineup. That's the kind of mentality that Donald has. If he has his foot in the door, he's not ready to give up. He's not going to give in."

Please CLICK on LINK for the rest of this story.

GO Donald Driver ! GO PACKERS !!

[woodbuck27]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/young-receivers-counting-roster-spots-6v5fgsj-152126555.htmlYoung receivers counting roster spots (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/young-receivers-counting-roster-spots-6v5fgsj-152126555.html)

The Packers must consider the future of their young receivers. Diondre Borel, like several others, will be gunning for a roster spot come August.

Please click on LINK for story.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB

Could any Packer WR do it better?

QB Rodgers to WR Driver, 16-yd, pass, TD

Published: Jan. 15, 2012

Fourth Qtr. (4:52) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass deep middle to D.Driver for 16 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Lambeau Field - Wk 19

New York Giants 37 Vs Green Bay Packers 20

Receiving.........Rec...Yds...Avg...TDs

Donald Driver (http://www.nfl.com/player/donalddriver/2500467/profile) ....3.....45....15......1

Greg Jennings (http://www.nfl.com/player/gregjennings/2495867/profile).....4.....40....10......0

[woodbuck27]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCWv_tNZlpI&feature=related

The Donald Driver Story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5dXTZCgL7c&feature=related

Donald Driver's 90 yard TD! To become then the longest TD pass in Green Bay Packers 'playoff' history.

[ThunderDan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCWv_tNZlpI&feature=related

The Donald Driver Story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5dXTZCgL7c&feature=related

Donald Driver's 90 yard TD! To become then the longest TD pass in Green Bay Packers history.

Don't tell Robert Brooks. He is going to be pissed!!!

[woodbuck27]

Don't tell Robert Brooks. He is going to be pissed!!!

and .....you win 'the Sharpie' AWARD of the day ThunderDan.

Correction. The longest TD at that time 'in Packers playoff history'.

Now ....... I'm going to my room to impose some self flagellation.

[George Cumby]

Apparently Oates and Hunt do not know what they are talking about:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/packers.html

[woodbuck27]

maybe this was posted already, Oates see Driver as done.
http://host.madison.com/sports/columnists/tom_oates/tom-oates-stage-set-for-driver-s-exit-from-green/article_1269ca58-a178-11e1-90e4-0019bb2963f4.html

blah ! blah !! Blah !!!

Your typical 'talking head' must join the RIGHT CROWD writer that certainly supports his stance well but miss's the TRUTH.

Here we read a writer that feels he has to get it right. Yet forgets that getting it right is never predicated on anything but the specific personalities involved.

Besides this writer and all the 'nay sayers' need to keep up:

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/d7BtM?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

We're discussing Donald Driver here. Not the future of wanna be Packers Gurley and Borel. I will go with the heart and soul of the known Vs the unknown every time.

I will celebrate another Donald Driver TD and a Lambeau Leap come this season as DD helps us win another game. Count on it !

GO Donald Driver and the GREEN BAY PACKERS !

[pbmax]

Apparently Oates and Hunt do not know what they are talking about:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/packers.html

Believing their own hype. Just be careful. He restructured his deal. Unless he gets guaranteed money, he doesn't necessarily get a roster spot Week 1.

[George Cumby]

Believing their own hype. Just be careful. He restructured his deal. Unless he gets guaranteed money, he doesn't necessarily get a roster spot Week 1.

Good point.

But I don't think they take the time to restructure if they don't think he can make the roster, even as #6.

[Fritz]

I wonder if restructuring was the condition that had to be met just for Donald to get a chance to compete, instead of getting cut before TC.

[MadScientist]

Good point.

But I don't think they take the time to restructure if they don't think he can make the roster, even as #6.

It give the Packers insurance in case of TC injuries. It also makes them think about keeping 6, which increases pressure at other spots.

[sharpe1027]

No reason to cut him before TC without that huge roster bonus. I hope he has a bounce back year, but if he's any slower than last year he'll have a tough time justifying a roster spot.

[Fritz]

If one or two of the young guys can demonstrate good special teams skill, and show they can run good routes and catch the ball consistently, then Driver's days will be over. I wonder if they'll consider keeping six?

[Smeefers]

Alright, you guys have to jump from that sinking ship. I'll offer a life raft, you can start talking about how awesome it's going to be to have Driver on the team. C'mon! There's plenty of room over here. It's just Me, Brandon, Joe and Wood. A lot of you have been wishy washy, time to make the jump. Come on! Before the boat sinks!

[sharpe1027]

Alright, you guys have to jump from that sinking ship. I'll offer a life raft, you can start talking about how awesome it's going to be to have Driver on the team. C'mon! There's plenty of room over here. It's just Me, Brandon, Joe and Wood. A lot of you have been wishy washy, time to make the jump. Come on! Before the boat sinks!

I am sticking with my prediction of it being a 50/50 chance of making the final cut. Just try and prove me wrong...:)

[woodbuck27]

WOW.... upon reading the latest here I'm surprized there isn't more positive KARMA for DD making 'OUR 53' to open the 2012 season.

It almost seems as if Donald Driver has restructured and in every sense done so to the Packers full advantage. He has sacrificed his desire and promise to play another season for the Packers. Packer fans and the Packer media generally agree that he'll not see more than a spot in TC (minus a bonus and minus any gurantee of a roster spot). That's incedible 'non-magical thinking', IMO.

That thinking...if that's correct. Then Donald Driver sold his soul to be just where he was when he learned he was drafted by Green Bay. He's sold himself out in other words.

a) I believe that DD has more esteem than to do that.

b) Moreso his agent would not allow DD to go there.

GO PACKERS !

[MJZiggy]

Alright, you guys have to jump from that sinking ship. I'll offer a life raft, you can start talking about how awesome it's going to be to have Driver on the team. C'mon! There's plenty of room over here. It's just Me, Brandon, Joe and Wood. A lot of you have been wishy washy, time to make the jump. Come on! Before the boat sinks!
You forgot me...

[George Cumby]

Alright, you guys have to jump from that sinking ship. I'll offer a life raft, you can start talking about how awesome it's going to be to have Driver on the team. C'mon! There's plenty of room over here. It's just Me, Brandon, Joe and Wood. A lot of you have been wishy washy, time to make the jump. Come on! Before the boat sinks!

Fuggit. I'm down. DD makes it as #6.

[MadtownPacker]

Alright, you guys have to jump from that sinking ship. I'll offer a life raft, you can start talking about how awesome it's going to be to have Driver on the team. C'mon! There's plenty of room over here. It's just Me, Brandon, Joe and Wood. A lot of you have been wishy washy, time to make the jump. Come on! Before the boat sinks!
Why would I jump on a ship I was on the whole time? You can bunch up with those weirdos if you want but I have never even considered the Mirror Ball Champ wouldn't be a Packer.

[Smeefers]

Woo! Sorry MJ, you seemed to be a fence sitter so I wasn't sure and didn't want to put words in your mouth. As for Mad, well, you may have been an oversite. My office will niether confirm nor deny that you were already on said ship.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Woo! Sorry MJ, you seemed to be a fence sitter so I wasn't sure and didn't want to put words in your mouth. As for Mad, well, you may have been an oversite. My office will niether confirm nor deny that you were already on said ship.

If he was, he was on illegally.

[Fritz]

Alright, you guys have to jump from that sinking ship. I'll offer a life raft, you can start talking about how awesome it's going to be to have Driver on the team. C'mon! There's plenty of room over here. It's just Me, Brandon, Joe and Wood. A lot of you have been wishy washy, time to make the jump. Come on! Before the boat sinks!

Okay, maybe if the Pack keeps "only" three tight ends and one full back, then maybe. But that depends on how many defensive linemen they decide to keep. And offensive linemen. And what if they decide to keep an extra safety or corner? Or what if....?

Ah, hell. Who knows.

[woodbuck27]

I am sticking with my prediction of it being a 50/50 chance of making the final cut. Just try and prove me wrong...:)

OK here goes.

To take care of 'the Doubting Thomas's'. To end the negativity Re: 'a good man's desire and accomplishing 'much':

Driver: 'I'm still a Packer'

By: JASON WILDE

jwilde@espnwisconsin.com

" For his part, Driver would not speak about the specifics of the restructured deal. Last August, running back Ryan Grant accepted a $1 million pay cut but had the remaining $2.5 million of his base salary guaranteed by the Packers, essentially assuring him of a roster spot.

Asked about Driver's deal in an email Wednesday, Woy replied via email: “Donald wanted to remain with the Packers. His legacy with the team is important to him. He loves playing for the team and he loves the Packers' fans. Contracts are always tough especially as a player gets older.

"Donald could have gone elsewhere and played but I don't think he ever considered that. He was willing to trim some of his salary to remain a Packer. I know he hopes to have a great year and help the team make another run for a Super Bowl.

"He signed a new one-year deal that has enough up front money that Donald is guaranteed to play this season. The Packers would not re-sign him if they didn't want him back as an organization.” " Fr. LINK

There it is in black and white.

Baring injury we will see Donald Driver wearing NO. 80 as a Green Bay Packer in the 2012 season. We will enjoy seeing Donald Driver snapping Aaron Rodgers pass's, scoring TD's and making Lambeau Leaps like he has for so long.

Donald Driver has this season to enjoy making his best contribution to the Green Bay Packers and hopefully focused on another Super Bowl win. Donald Drivers greatest pride is as a Green Bay Packer.

Clearly.... he'll be on our 53 man roster. The real reason being he will prove as he's done over and over again. He deserves that roster spot.

GO Donald Driver....GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

If one or two of the young guys can demonstrate good special teams skill, and show they can run good routes and catch the ball consistently, then Driver's days will be over. I wonder if they'll consider keeping six?

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/McCarthy-raises-possibility-of-six-receivers/3f85e931-e60e-46a1-b281-0b0b7617a47d?campaign=e120601

McCarthy raises possibility of six receivers

Vic Ketchman ... packers.com editor

Posted May 30, 2012

[pbmax]

If the roster has six WRs, then all bets are off. Like changing the rules of the card game after the deal.

[Bretsky]

Smeef...fwiw, I've been on board all along. I haven't been drawn into this debate cause DD is making this team. He said from the start he would renegotiate. Clearly the Packers reached out to his camp and inquired about that and DD made his intention known. A feel good story.....I think Not. DD can still help this team. Who is clearly better on this roster at WR ?

Jennings....correct
Jordy.........correct
James Jones.....no way....he'll show his flash or two here and there.........another fart in the wind. As I previously noted, if anybody actually likes this guy they should deal him now.
Cobb..............perhaps he will get there this year; but to be honest DD is his perfect mentor.
Gurley..........no way...not yet
The Ex QB.....he'll be fortunate to make the team

Truth be told Donald Driver might be the third best WR and that is why he makes this team. He's also the perfect guy to keep around to show Cobb the ropes for most likely one.........and possibly two years if they only embrace one of the other young WR's. Cobb will be the 3 in a few years and he'll be dam good. Who knows who the four will be

[digitaldean]

Have to agree with you, B. Especially on Jones. Jones has not materialized into the quality receiver, way too inconsistent.
I feel this is DD's season to ride into the sunset. Two years probably won't happen. By that time Cobb will develop, possibly Gurley also. If Gurley shows similar or better results than last preseason, then he makes the reg season roster.

[Brandon494]

I don't know why you guys are knocking James Jones so much, he actually had a pretty good season last year.

[Joemailman]

I don't know why you guys are knocking James Jones so much, he actually had a pretty season last year.

I agree. 600+ yards and 7 TD's isn't bad. He's not a great player. He's a role player, but a good one.

[woodbuck27]

I don't know why you guys are knocking James Jones so much, he actually had a pretty good season last year.

We hope that TT will try to trade him and get some value back for him. He's peaked as a three / four WR so TT should try to trade him.

[Joemailman]

What's wrong with having a really good #3-4 WR? Packers play at least 3 WR's on the majority of offensive plays.

[Brandon494]

What's wrong with having a really good #3-4 WR? Packers play at least 3 WR's on the majority of offensive plays.

Its nothing wrong with having a strong receiving core with a QB like Rodgers, as you saw last season its pretty deadly. Not to mention hes signed for cheap and I doubt he would bring much value, it would make absolutely no sense for TT to try and trade him.

[Guiness]

A #4 guy can end up your #2 pretty quickly, and the Pack's offense needs those receivers. Keep that core as strong as possible.

[Bretsky]

Its nothing wrong with having a strong receiving core with a QB like Rodgers, as you saw last season its pretty deadly. Not to mention hes signed for cheap and I doubt he would bring much value, it would make absolutely no sense for TT to try and trade him.

I agree here
He signed for cheap after he recieved litle interest in Free Agency.
I also agree he would not bring much value
My suggestion of trading him would assume some othe team would value him far more than I do

[George Cumby]

We hope that TT will try to trade him and get some value back for him. He's peaked as a three / four WR so TT should try to trade him.

Say what?

[Joemailman]

Aaron Rodgers has peaked as the NFL's best quarterback...

[Patler]

Its nothing wrong with having a strong receiving core with a QB like Rodgers, as you saw last season its pretty deadly. Not to mention hes signed for cheap and I doubt he would bring much value, it would make absolutely no sense for TT to try and trade him.


I agree here
He signed for cheap after he recieved litle interest in Free Agency.
I also agree he would not bring much value
My suggestion of trading him would assume some othe team would value him far more than I do

In fairness to Jones, last year was not a good year to be a free agent. With the lack of an off season, I think some teams were more content going with the status quo, rather than brining in a lot of new people particulalry at the so-called "skill positions". (We all know that linemen require no skill!)

As for his trade value, very few NFL players have much trade value. Kellen Winslow had 75 receptions last year, and was traded for a 7th round pick that could become a 6th round pick. While Winslow's contract is not outlandish, Jones could have higher trade value because his contract is so cheap. He would be a welcome addition to a receiver-starved team (like the Packers of not so many years ago).

[Upnorth]

In fairness to Jones, last year was not a good year to be a free agent. With the lack of an off season, I think some teams were more content going with the status quo, rather than brining in a lot of new people particulalry at the so-called "skill positions". (We all know that linemen require no skill!)

As for his trade value, very few NFL players have much trade value. Kellen Winslow had 75 receptions last year, and was traded for a 7th round pick that could become a 6th round pick. While Winslow's contract is not outlandish, Jones could have higher trade value because his contract is so cheap. He would be a welcome addition to a receiver-starved team (like the Packers of not so many years ago).

Good point about being reciever starved in recent history. I don't understand why we would weaken a point f strenght on the team for an unknown gain. Being generous we might get a third for Jones, but what is the actual hit percentage of a third rounder? You might get an elite player, but you have a higher probability of a washout. Jones is not the key to our high powered offence but he is a strong contributor. Besides who else do we have to bitch about that Brandon will have to defened? :wink:

[Patler]

Good point about being reciever starved in recent history. I don't understand why we would weaken a point f strenght on the team for an unknown gain. Being generous we might get a third for Jones, but what is the actual hit percentage of a third rounder? You might get an elite player, but you have a higher probability of a washout. Jones is not the key to our high powered offence but he is a strong contributor. Besides who else do we have to bitch about that Brandon will have to defened? :wink:

Exactly, and I doubt anyone would even offer a 4th for Jones, let alone a 3rd. NFL trades for the most part involve low round draft picks, and not much more.

Without a passing offense, the Packers are lost. It wasn't too many years ago the Packers were scavenging the waiver wire every week for a receiver to be active and play the following weekend. Should they lose a couple receivers for any extended time, we will be very glad they have Jones.

Cobb is a small, fearless return man; which could very well mean a week missed here and there even if not several in succession. Driver, while a physical specimen, is also at an age that could lead to lots of missed time. We saw Jennings go out last year.

I would be much happier with Jones on the roster rather than having whatever draft pick they will get for him in a trade. Besides, when his contract runs out next year he will likely leave anyway, and the compensatory pick won't be much less than what they might get in a trade this year or next.

[sharpe1027]

Do not trade Jones. He gets blasted (correctly) for dropping easy catches that would have been huge gains/TDs, but other WRs don't even get open in the first place for a chance at huge gains.

[King Friday]

Jones is a great value at his current salary. I don't think you could find many receivers with his talent at his salary level. You would not get equal value for him in a trade, so I don't see the intelligence in trying to trade him. While he's a marginal starter at best, he's the kind of guy you have confidence in if you only need to plug him in for a couple games due to injuries. As a #3/#4 WR, he can make some big plays for you against lesser secondary talent. Patler has it absolutely correct...Green Bay has put all its eggs in the passing game on offense. We have a bunch of question marks at RB, and the only way we can have success in the run game is to maintain that elite passing game. That means you better have a stable full of WR talent in case you have a couple of injuries.

I feel pretty good that one of the young kids is going to prove to be worth keeping during camp this year. However, keeping 6 WRs is a real possibility...which makes Driver's chances of making the final roster a lot higher.

[Smeefers]

If there was one reciever who had to go though, and that one wasn't donald driver, then it would be James Jones. I think that's where Wood was coming from before everyone piled on him. So, if he's the worst WR on our team and he's still pretty good, why not get some value for him? I see the validity in that argument, it's just unlikely we're going to get anything we actually need for him so the point it moot anyway.

IF we were say, the bucs or the Bengals and we had a surplus of talent at any position, I could see us trading to get a marginal starter at a different position, but there's no place on our roster that i think can be improved upon with a marginal starter.

Shit, people still want to toss Hawk, you ain't getting that kind of quality for Jones.

[woodbuck27]

If there was one reciever who had to go though, and that one wasn't donald driver, then it would be James Jones. I think that's where Wood was coming from before everyone piled on him. So, if he's the worst WR on our team and he's still pretty good, why not get some value for him? I see the validity in that argument, it's just unlikely we're going to get anything we actually need for him so the point it moot anyway.

IF we were say, the bucs or the Bengals and we had a surplus of talent at any position, I could see us trading to get a marginal starter at a different position, but there's no place on our roster that i think can be improved upon with a marginal starter.

Shit, people still want to toss Hawk, you ain't getting that kind of quality for Jones.

I simply tossed that one out there for some discussion and RE: any member of Packerrats feeling any need to slam that in terms of it came from me doesn't affect me.

It seems that the consensus is that James Jones is of more value than 'a third round pick' that we're unlikely to acquire for him. That ... given the emphasis on our passing attack. James Jones is cheap and an integral part of that attack and will remain as such until his status changes ...or he again becomes a FA.

As a board we have reached a decision on James Jones and his real value as a Green Bay Packer. It's all good. :smile:

The real point I was hoping would come up:

Should TT deal him for some value rather than just risk losing him to Free Agency for nothing in return?

That... given the time that was given to develop him and the $cost$ associated with that Vs a ZERO return.

GO PACKERS !

[Patler]

The real point I was hoping would come up:

Should TT deal him for some value rather than just risk losing him to Free Agency for nothing in return?


What do you mean, "nothing in return"? The Packers will likely get a compensatory pick, probably a 7th, maybe a 6th. The way trades go done in the NFL, they aren't likely to get much more than that for him in a trade.

The Packers time is now. Jones provides valuable insurance. Keep him this year and next, then be satisfied with a compensatory pick if he signes elsewhere in FA.

[Smeefers]

I wouldn't fret over what we're going to get for him.

[woodbuck27]

I wouldn't fret over what we're going to get for him.

Right. We're going to see him score 10 - 12 TD's and leave our team. We cash in with a 6th or 7th Rd. Compensatory pick and delay the development of another player and/or sit down DD at the end of a career. That given 'a real opportunity' might be even more special.

Thus I come back to TT trying to deal James Jones every day 'now', for a third or fourth Rd. pick. Maybe a player that can start somewhere on our team to help with balance.

[Pugger]

What do you mean, "nothing in return"? The Packers will likely get a compensatory pick, probably a 7th, maybe a 6th. The way trades go done in the NFL, they aren't likely to get much more than that for him in a trade.

The Packers time is now. Jones provides valuable insurance. Keep him this year and next, then be satisfied with a compensatory pick if he signes elsewhere in FA.

This.

[Patler]

Right. We're going to see him score 10 - 12 TD's and leave our team. We cash in with a 6th or 7th Rd. Compensatory pick and delay the development of another player and/or sit down DD at the end of a career. That given 'a real opportunity' might be even more special.

Thus I come back to TT trying to deal James Jones every day 'now', for a third or fourth Rd. pick. Maybe a player that can start somewhere on our team to help with balance.

Except it is not certain that Jones will be the one who leaves. Jennings could leave between now and then. I believe Nelson's contract is up the same year as Jones'. Could be that 2014 sees Jones and only one of Jennings and Nelson on the team.

[Cheesehead Craig]

The thoughts of trading Jones for a 3rd or 4th round pick are pipe dreams. He got zero interest last offseason and didn't do anything really to stand out last season as someone suddenly worth that price tag.

Jones won't be traded. Not my belief anyways.

[Fritz]

First, I think people who say getting a third or fourth for Jones is not going to happen are correct. It's surprising sometimes, how little teams have to give up to get a "big name" veteran who's on the block. Unless, of course, you're Dan Devine and you need a QB to try to save your sorry ass...

[Brandon494]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8012593

Good Morning America' On Donald Driver Shoe Scandal...Bitches be crazy

[woodbuck27]

First, I think people who say getting a third or fourth for Jones is not going to happen are correct. It's surprising sometimes, how little teams have to give up to get a "big name" veteran who's on the block. Unless, of course, you're Dan Devine and you need a QB to try to save your sorry ass...

You know where James Jones might end up? In New England with 'the PAT's' as part of the buddy up I see between Ted Thompson and Bill Bilichick. I believe there is evidence that their 'shadow allies'.

[Upnorth]

So in a year where the cap is not a struggle our WR situation is
Jennings
Nelson
Driver
Jones
Cobb

If we keep Driver this year I don't think we can expect to keep driver next year. Further with the amount of money thrown at WR's these days either Jennings or Nelson is gone the following year. So two years from now we would have for sure
Jennings or Nelson
Jones
Cobb

If i'm Gm i don't give Jones up for less than a second from a poor team, and that is NOT going to happen (hell i'm not even convinced we could get a fifth for him). Further we need to transition one of our 5 TE spots over to a 6th WR spot just to make sure ARod has targets in three years.

[RashanGary]

I don't know if Jennings will be gone.

The top 3 highest paid WRs in a 2011 article I read were Fitz, CJ and Marshall

6'3"
6'5"
6'4"

Seems like teams really pay for the dominant big WR's. Guys like Jennings who dominate, but don't look as good in shorts seem to be a little more under the radar. I'd like to see him a Packer for a long time. Would shatter Drivers marks.

[RashanGary]

will be interesting to see JOnes too. I talked last year about his flexibility being an issue. This year he worked on it. He's had trouble twisting back and adjusting that way. And Cobb IMO is the surest thing (of the unproven players) to be a great Packer IMO. I'm a huge fan of his game. Finley has talked about just playing his style (something I think will help him a lot. DJ Williams looked studly in college. I love his game too. We're friggin loaded. More loaded than we even know, I think.

And Alex Green. . . It could be a record setting season. OL is coming together too. Look the hell out, NFL.

[Smidgeon]

I'm not as down on Jones as others are. This last year he was better than Driver in every category except one: he fumbled once and Driver didn't fumble at all. That's right, he had more receptions, yards, and touchdowns than Donald Driver...IN 2011!!!! I imagine he'll do the same next year too. Jones was the #3 on the team last year.

[Smeefers]

I don't know if Jennings will be gone.

The top 3 highest paid WRs in a 2011 article I read were Fitz, CJ and Marshall

6'3"
6'5"
6'4"

Seems like teams really pay for the dominant big WR's. Guys like Jennings who dominate, but don't look as good in shorts seem to be a little more under the radar. I'd like to see him a Packer for a long time. Would shatter Drivers marks.

That's a really good point. Jennings has never had the ability to just take over a game at will like the other guys have.

[Brandon494]

Jennings is not going anywhere, not even worth talking about.