Jolly Applies for Reinstatement

[pbmax]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Johnny-Jolly-applies-for-reinstatement-to-NFL.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=7523

Packers hold his rights. Told Biggs at NFP he weighs 332 and worked out 2-3 times per day while in the pokey. Screen defense might not be a problem this year if he could make the roster. Jolly is all run stopper, base defense and DB in a DTs body. He will not aid the pass rush and he is not a prototype 5 tech body like Wilson.

Edit: He had access to workouts 2 times a day usually, 3 times per day in Daylight Savings. Not sure how many he actually attended.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I hope the commish does the right thing, which it to say the packer thing. I don't want to get my hopes up, tho.

[Fritz]

I hope the commish does the right thing, which it to say the packer thing. I don't want to get my hopes up, tho.

Well, Blue Dog, it's the slow season, so let's slurp up the kook aid. Er, kool aid.

It'd be a miracle if A) Jolly were reinstated and B) The Packers let him come back and then C) He was in good enough shape to warrant a roster spot.

Now could they PUP him after making up a fake injury?

[pbmax]

Well, Blue Dog, it's the slow season, so let's slurp up the kook aid. Er, kool aid.

It'd be a miracle if A) Jolly were reinstated and B) The Packers let him come back and then C) He was in good enough shape to warrant a roster spot.

Now could they PUP him after making up a fake injury?

Maybe he can be the 3rd string RB. Or seventh WR.

[Upnorth]

Maybe he can be the 3rd string RB. Or seventh WR.

backup LS

[Pugger]

If Vick and Burris could return after a prison sentence, why not Jolly?

[pittstang5]

If Vick and Burris could return after a prison sentence, why not Jolly?

Good point.

I hope he's reinstated, I hope the Packers give him another shot, I hope he stays clean, I hope he returns to form and can be dominant for the Pack.

That's alot of hoping there.

[Freak Out]

The NFL is full of guys that have broken the law so I don't know why J-Drank shouldn't get another shot.

[wist43]

I want him back... if he could pick up where he left off, he'd immediately be in the rotation. That's a big if though.

[The Shadow]

Good point.

I hope he's reinstated, I hope the Packers give him another shot, I hope he stays clean, I hope he returns to form and can be dominant for the Pack.

That's alot of hoping there.

And I hope you are right with your hoping.

[MJZiggy]

I think if he can reinstate an animal murderer, he'd have to have a pretty damn good reason not to reinstate Jolly.

[MadScientist]

No real reason not to reinstate him given the rest of the lot given second chances. My real question is the contract. I don't remember if restricted tenders are usually guaranteed when signed, but I doubt that would hold given he didn't show up for the contract for 2 years. Another shot is fine, but there is no way he should get $2M for it. So no matter what he will have to be cut first.

[King Friday]

I see no reason why Jolly won't get another chance...I'm just not sure he will prove to be anything close to what he was previously. Being out that long has some negative repercussions typically. I'm fine with giving the guy a second chance, but I'm not counting on anything from him at this point. If we get anything, it's gravy.

[packrulz]

Sure, I'd give him a shot but I'd put a clause in his contract that if he gets suspended, he doesn't get paid.

[Fritz]

I'm not sure the league will relent...because Jolly was arrested four times. It's not like he goofed up once, or even twice. And it really wasn't even that long ago he last was arrested. He's only been sober for eight months now.

But I hope they do reinstate him. But here's another angle on the Packers' inviting him back: whether he's lost much in the long term is one question (or how much has he lost?), but another question is this: can he get into playing shape to be of use in the beginning of the season? With Hargrove and Neal both out for the beginning of the year, the Pack is going to need functional d-linemen right away. Could they afford to keep Jolly - whom, it would seem, would not be very effective initially - in the hopes he'd get some of his mojo back eventually?

[pbmax]

Sure, I'd give him a shot but I'd put a clause in his contract that if he gets suspended, he doesn't get paid.

They can sign him to a low dollar deal or make it incentive based with few to no guarantees. But paychecks under suspension are covered under the CBA. Same for everyone.

[sharpe1027]

So no matter what he will have to be cut first.

Not necessarily. Is there any reason that they could not restructure his deal? They did it with Driver.

[MadScientist]

So no matter what he will have to be cut first.


Not necessarily. Is there any reason that they could not restructure his deal? They did it with Driver.

I'm not sure. His contract came from a restricted tender which may have additional regulations (which may or may not be in play given the suspension and that the contract was signed under the previous CBA). My guess is that they have to cut to resign, but I'd like to see some reporter look into it.

[Tony Oday]

Jolly to lead the team in picks this year!

[Fritz]

When he steps onto the field in Minneapolis or Chicago or Detroit, will the opposing team's field announcer play "Purple Haze" over the loudspeakers?

[RashanGary]

I want him back... if he could pick up where he left off, he'd immediately be in the rotation. That's a big if though.


I remember the 2007 season. We had Kamp, Jolly, KGB, Jenkins, Pickett and Corey Williams in the rotation.

Kamp, Jolly, Pickett and Jenkins were our starters.

Williams and KGB were our pass rush specialists off the bench, and gave the other guys breathers.


We were a top 10 defense. I believe we were like 8-1 or something like that. KGB blew out his knee and ended his career (I think he already had darn near 8 or 10 sacks at that point.) Jolly went down, forcing Williams to play more (his play dipped.)

We started to get gashed all over, in the run and pass. As magical as that season began, losing 2 of our top 6 DL in a 4-3 defense had our defense drop from top 10 to bottom 10 in a matter of 6 or 7 weeks. We were losing games down the stretch. The offense was peaking, but the defense was crumbling.


I guess my point is, Johnny Jolly is a good player and although he might not be a star, if you have a guy on the bench who is legit, it rests everyone else so everyone is better, not to mention his play being good in itself. Jolly, the way he was, would help. A lot.

Big if. I'll go ahead and classify it as a doubt.

[RashanGary]

Raji
Pickett
Worthy
Daniels


(Jolly, Hargrove, Neal, Wynn, Merling, Lawrence Guy and CJ Williams) fighting it out for 2 spots.

I like the odds anyway. And we're going to have to keep 2 inactive for 4 and 8 games respectively. If we start the year with, oh, lets say. . . Jolly and Jarius Wynn, we get to bring in the fresh legs as the season goes on and give the lesser players the axe. I do like our chances of having a good DL this year. I'm really hoping Jolly kept himself in shape while he was in the slammer.

[pbmax]

Jolly, if he could play, would go a long way to ensuring Pickett finishes the season fresh. maybe even Raji if Pick can then rest Raji.

[Upnorth]

If Jolly plays near the level he used to play and Worthy is as good as we hope we will have a very good to great dline. TT has certainly adressed this area of weakness.

[OS PA]

Raji
Pickett
Worthy
Daniels


(Jolly, Hargrove, Neal, Wynn, Merling, Lawrence Guy and CJ Williams) fighting it out for 2 spots.

I like the odds anyway. And we're going to have to keep 2 inactive for 4 and 8 games respectively. If we start the year with, oh, lets say. . . Jolly and Jarius Wynn, we get to bring in the fresh legs as the season goes on and give the lesser players the axe. I do like our chances of having a good DL this year. I'm really hoping Jolly kept himself in shape while he was in the slammer.

Daniels is going to get IR'ed or pupped. So I see it like this.

First 4 weeks

Pickett
Raji
Worthy
Jolly
(Guy,Wynn,Williams)

Next 4 weeks
Picket
Raji
Worthy
Jolly
Neal

Next 8 weeks we carry 6 dlinemen.

Pickett
Raji
Worthy
Hargrove
Neal
Jolly

[Pugger]

When he steps onto the field in Minneapolis or Chicago or Detroit, will the opposing team's field announcer play "Purple Haze" over the loudspeakers?

:lol:

[LP]

Sure are a lot of people assuming he's gonna be able to play again.

[BobDobbs]

If he gets reinstated does he immediately become part of our active roster or do we get to bring him in for a physical before we have to cut him or someone else? No harm in kicking the tires, but how on earth is he going to be ready to play? Even if he makes the 90 I can't see him making the 53. It's pretty obvious they want to add pass rush and he doesn't give any.

The only way I see him making it, barring injury, is if we keep six and they decide that they want to be able to field a massive three man front at times. And that he looks like a better all around player than Muir or Wilson.

[pbmax]

I hope they go whole hog and ask for a roster exemption so they can observe him workout a while should he be reinstated. Might depend on contract situation though.

[Guiness]

Sure are a lot of people assuming he's gonna be able to play again.

Why not? 29, not that old for a DL, one with no real injury history. Not like he has to worry about losing a step. Biggest question is, the first time he gets hit, does he go 'ow, damn, that hurts!'

[Fritz]

It's the offseason, so we're entitled to a little fantasy football. We're hoping that Jolly-coming-back would be an uprgrade over the CJ Wilsonish types on the roster.

If CJ Wilson and Jarius Wynn are on the roster at the start of the season, a few of us will be mightily disappointed.

But in truth, I'm not sure Goodell will even reinstate Jolly for this season. My guess is that he'll ask Jolly to come back after the season, show he's clean, and try again.

[LP]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-reinstates-Travis-Henry.html

If the NFL can reinstate this guy, I see no reason not to do the same for Jolly.

[Guiness]

No statement on this at all. I expected something before TC started. The NFL continues to really hate on this guy.

[MadScientist]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-reinstates-Travis-Henry.html

If the NFL can reinstate this guy, I see no reason not to do the same for Jolly.
Agreed. What Travis Henry did was way worse than what Jolly did.

The only thing that the NFL can really say in their defense is that Henry is unlikely to be signed by anyone, so the reinstatement is just for show, to make the NFLPA think the league is treating players fairly.

Jolly has a decent shot at being picked up by someone.

[Rutnstrut]

I remember the 2007 season. We had Kamp, Jolly, KGB, Jenkins, Pickett and Corey Williams in the rotation.

Kamp, Jolly, Pickett and Jenkins were our starters.

Williams and KGB were our pass rush specialists off the bench, and gave the other guys breathers.


We were a top 10 defense. I believe we were like 8-1 or something like that. KGB blew out his knee and ended his career (I think he already had darn near 8 or 10 sacks at that point.) Jolly went down, forcing Williams to play more (his play dipped.)

We started to get gashed all over, in the run and pass. As magical as that season began, losing 2 of our top 6 DL in a 4-3 defense had our defense drop from top 10 to bottom 10 in a matter of 6 or 7 weeks. We were losing games down the stretch. The offense was peaking, but the defense was crumbling.


I guess my point is, Johnny Jolly is a good player and although he might not be a star, if you have a guy on the bench who is legit, it rests everyone else so everyone is better, not to mention his play being good in itself. Jolly, the way he was, would help. A lot.

Big if. I'll go ahead and classify it as a doubt.

You can't actually be logical and say the decline in defense lost them games that year. You have to blame Favre, like everyone else on this forum.

[smuggler]

Goodell is not a fan of the Packers. =S

[Upnorth]

If Jolly can play at 80% or 90% of what he was it would still be a big asset to our DL. The question is can he?

[smuggler]

I'm pretty sure the answer is yes. The real question is this; will Goodell let him play?

[Upnorth]

I'm pretty sure the answer is yes. The real question is this; will Goodell let him play?

I'm worried the answer is no.

[MadtownPacker]

I wish Jolly had just ran someone over and killed them while DUI so he could play this season.

[Guiness]

I'd kind of forgotten about Jolly, and I'm pretty surprised no decision has been made yet. You'd think they'd have given him an answer before TC's started.

[Joemailman]

I'd kind of forgotten about Jolly, and I'm pretty surprised no decision has been made yet. You'd think they'd have given him an answer before TC's started.

I think Goodell will make Jolly show he can stay clean for a year before reinstating him.

[rbaloha1]

Aloha JJ!

[smuggler]

Goodell is a sniveling shit, and I'm pretty sick of him.

[LP]

I think Goodell will make Jolly show he can stay clean for a year before reinstating him.

Did he make Michael Vick go a year without killing dogs before reinstatement?

[Joemailman]

Did he make Michael Vick go a year without killing dogs before reinstatement?

I have a hunch he may have decided that 2 years in federal prison was enough to make sure that Vick wouldn't go back to killing dogs. Jolly's only been clean for a few months.

[Guiness]

Did he make Michael Vick go a year without killing dogs before reinstatement?

No, but they should've waited to see if Buress could go a while without shooting himself :mrgreen:

Lifespan of an NFL career is so short, taking more time away from a guy like that is pretty close to a life sentence, and preventing him from earning a living. I'm surprised a case like this doesn't end up in court for that reason. I'm sure there's something in the CBA that tries to prevent it, but being as he's banned from the league, the CBA wouldn't apply to him, would it?

[LP]

So it's easier to be reinstated if you're convicted of a violent crime. I get it.

[RashanGary]

I had the impression Jolly was the leader of a drug ring or something like that. I think he had a pretty big problem down there.

He should be reinstated though. Like everyone said, there have been guys who have done as bad, or worse things and made it back.

[smuggler]

He wasn't. He was an end-user and the Texas laws are retarded. It's been covered over and over.

[pbmax]

He wasn't. He was an end-user and the Texas laws are retarded. It's been covered over and over.

He's just following the leads wherever they take him. Hopefully, to a nice juicy press release.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This goddamn thread won't die. Every time it pops to the top of the page, I think there is some good news. But no, it's some mook reporting "no word yet" or "I wonder what Goodell is gonna do."

I hope that Jolly gets run over by a truck so I don't have to endure the constant dissapointment.