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woodbuck27
08-18-2006, 11:23 PM
Posted August 18, 2006

It's Rayner's job to lose

Packers release Cundiff, hand job — for now — to untested second-year kicker

By Pete Dougherty
pdougher@greenbaypressgazette.com


The Green Bay Packers are giving Dave Rayner at least two weeks to convince them he should be their kicker in 2006.

General Manager Ted Thompson cut short the Packers' head-to-head training-camp battle at kicker by releasing five-year pro Billy Cundiff late Thursday afternoon, which makes Rayner the lone kicker in camp.

The two appeared to be about even after almost three weeks of camp, and neither has performed well enough to win over the team's coaching and scouting staffs. But the Packers like the 23-year-old Rayner's potential because he has the stronger kicking leg.

If Rayner doesn't perform well enough over the next two or three weeks, the Packers will sign a veteran such as Cundiff, the unemployed Paul Edinger or a kicker cut by another team.

"We think both of them probably missed a little more in practice than we're comfortable with," Thompson said Thursday. "So, we're kind of putting it in (Rayner's) ballpark. We'll see how he does."

On Thursday night, his first practice as the only kicker, Rayner made 8 of 10 field-goal attempts in a live drill. His misses came on back-to-back attempts from 47 and 49 yards. Punter B.J. Sander was the holder on both misses. Rayner's longest makes were from 52 yards, which cleared the crossbar at the top of the goalpost, and 47 yards.

"He missed the two longer ones, but I think that's even more reason to give him the reps," coach Mike McCarthy said after Thursday's night practice.

"It's about opportunities. He is young. He's strong legged. I think he has a winner's substance to him. I like his personality. I like his approach.a"

Rayner will handle all the Packers' kicking in Saturday's preseason game against Atlanta and the following week at Cincinnati, and perhaps in the preseason finale against Tennessee. It will mark the first time in his short career he's handled all of a team's kicking duties.

Last season, as a sixth-round draft pick with Indianapolis, he was a kickoff specialist while veteran Mike Vanderjagt kicked field goals. The Colts were grooming Rayner to take over for Vanderjagt this season, but they changed course in March and made a bold move by signing the league's best kicker, Adam Vinatieri, as a free agent.

The Packers picked up Rayner a couple of days after the Colts released him.

Thompson said that when he was Seattle's vice president of player personnel, the Seahawks did something similar with Josh Brown in 2003. They selected Brown in the seventh round of that draft, and instead of bringing in a veteran fallback to compete with him, they had Brown work as the lone kicker in camp. Brown won the job, and is entering his fourth season with the team.

"(Brown) knew the whole time he's kicking against every conceivable, possible kicker that might become available," Thompson said.

"It's the same thing with Rayner."

Though neither Rayner nor Cundiff won over the team with his performance, Cundiff has a track record, and the Packers appear to think he'll probably perform to the standards he did in his first four years in the NFL. Cundiff has made 73.2 percent of his field-goal attempts in his career, which is mediocre by NFL standards and well below the 81.6 percent career mark of the kicker the Packers are replacing, Ryan Longwell.

Rayner hasn't been as accurate as Cundiff in practice but showed a much stronger leg on long field goals. At the end of a two-minute drill Thursday, Rayner made a 46-yard kick with plenty of room to spare.

"They had a good kicker here for so many years. They're really looking to not take a step back in that," Rayner said this week. "They're concerned, which they should be. It's a big part of the game."


Comment: Two very important weeks in his life.

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the_idle_threat
08-18-2006, 11:29 PM
Posted August 18, 2006



Packers release Cundiff, hand job — for now — to untested second-year kicker




Who gets stuck with giving him the hand job?

Whoops---I think I read it wrong! :oops:

HarveyWallbangers
08-18-2006, 11:31 PM
Funny!

woodbuck27
08-18-2006, 11:52 PM
SOME PACKER FAN COMMENTS:

** Reader Comment Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:28 pm

Longwell was definitely a very accurate and clutch kicker. But his accuracy declined when Doug Petersen left. Plus he has one of the weakest legs when it comes to distance. The Packers rarely would attempt any 50 yard field goals with Longwell because they knew his leg wasn't the strongest. If they would've tried more at that distance than Longwell's accuracy would've dropped significantly.

Also Longwell was horrible on the kickoffs. Rarely would the ball make it inside the 10.

Hopefully our new kicker can become more accurate because he clearly has a stronger leg than Longwell or Cundiff.


** Hey Pete Dougherty Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:13 pm

I'm not a big B.J. Sander fan, but if you are going to call out the guy for being the holder on the kickers two misses, then at least tell people how many kicks were made when he was holding too. It's suggestive writing like this that misleads less knowledgable Packer fans into thinking we are worse off than we really are.


** Tightwad Teddy Does it Again Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:21 pm

Ok Packer Fans, yeah Longwell was a whinner (what do you expect, he's from California), but when the game was on the line, I would rather have him than this nobody we have now. Its hard to replace 81 percent lifetime percentage as a kicker. According to recent facts released by the NFL, the winning margin by which a team wins is becoming tighter and tighter. Remember 04, Longwell kicked us to a 10-6 record. If not for him, we would have had a losing season much sooner. The money he signed for in Minnesota was the same as if we had tagged with with one of the two tags, but ole Tightwad doesnt believe in paying for good football players. Who knows, maybe this stinkie from Indy does a Longwell and becomes a great kicker for us (remember Longwell was a rejectie from San Francisco). Here's crossing our fingers we dont have to rely on this guy's right foot to pull out too many victories, although personally Im predicting 2-14 for the Packers this year because we just dont have anyone who is anybody beside Farve. Green wont last the year, maybe Jennings can make up for Walker, not that I was a big fan of Whinner Walker, but until our O Line gets it together, this team isnt going anywhere. I guess Ted must have been sleeping the day they taught GM's that a good football team starts in the trenches. We could have the best guard in football today, if Tightwad Teddy had gone after Hutchingson like Minnesota did. I will be happy when Thompson and his loser coach are gone and the powers to be find a real GM who knows how to put a winning football team on the field.


** kicker Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:21 am

Like it really matters edinger beat us twice last year. I think raymer will do fine. Like the other guy said Ryan the whiner should just kick the ball and take the blame on himself. I recently went to Kansas City's practice in River Falls Wisconsin because I am only 15 miles away and got to talk to Lawrance Tynes and I asked him about how he liked the ball placed down, he said just get it down. He also said Vinateri likes his tipped a little forward. So this ball placement thing is pretty much a Ryan thing. So good bye whiner ryan. I see he already miss a 50+ yard field goal against the Raiders in the 4th quarter, due to that strong leg. Dan



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