Official Packers vs. Browns Game Day Thread

[jmbarnes101]

I've always wanted to start one of these. Go Pack Go!!!

[RashanGary]

My top 5 interests:

Nick Perry
Jerel Worthy
Mike Daniels
Clay vs Thomas
Marshal Newhouse

[Joemailman]

Want to see what Hayward does. Starting job is still out there.
Borel and Gurley need to make something happen if they want to make the team.
M.D. Jennings needs a good game or he might get pushed by McMillian.
Can Francois put pressure on Hawk?

[CaptainKickass]

Obligatory game day post.

[Deputy Nutz]

Is Gurley even suiting up tonight?

[Deputy Nutz]

Want to see what Hayward does. Starting job is still out there.
Borel and Gurley need to make something happen if they want to make the team.
M.D. Jennings needs a good game or he might get pushed by McMillian.
Can Francois put pressure on Hawk?


I think Hawks job is pretty secure at this point, unless he completely shit bombs himself in preseason and Francois turns into Patrick Willis. I don't think the Packers will be thrilled if they have to go into the regular season with Francois and Smith as their starters.

[CaptainKickass]

The Packers are without 18 players:

WR Shaky Smithson (ankle)
WR Diondre Borel (groin)
RB Du'ane Bennett (knee)
FB John Kuhn (ankle)
CB Davon House (shoulder)
RB Cedric Benson (rest)
RB Brandon Saine (hamstring)
FB Jon Hoese (hamstring)
CB Sam Shields (elbow)
RB James Starks (toe)
LB Desmond Bishop (hamstring)
LB Frank Zombo (hamstring)
DT Johnny Jones (knee)
OG Ray Dominguez (ankle)
OT Derek Sherrod (leg)
TE Andrew Quarless (knee)
WR Greg Jennings (concussion)
TE Jermichael Finley (thigh)

Here are the Browns players who are sitting out:

WR Mohamed Massaquoi
WR Carlton Mitchell
CB Dimitri Patterson
CB Usama Young
RB Trent Richardson
LB Chris Gocong
LB D'Qwell Jackson
DL Scott Paxson
DL Ahtyba Rubin
WR Travis Benjamin
TE Jordan Cameron
TE Benjamin Watson
DL Frostee Rucker
DL Phil Taylor
LB Scott Fujita

[RashanGary]

And 9 of those Packers are guys who matter.

[RashanGary]

I swear, the Packers have had this pussy camp and they're as injured as ever. When you really work out and get super strong, I wonder if it's good to wear those muscles down a little through strenuous work. When your muscles are that strong and wound that tight, you have to think it puts some strain on the body.

[HarveyWallbangers]

My top 5 interests:

Nick Perry
Jerel Worthy
Mike Daniels
Clay vs Thomas
Marshal Newhouse

Add Hayward and the safeties for me.

[Smeefers]

What Channel is the game on? Can I see it on the internet?

[RashanGary]

Add Hayward and the safeties for me.

Hayward and a safety pan out, and we're feeling good back there.

[pbmax]

Anyone listening to radio? Bill Huber of Packer Report just blasted one of the talking microphones on the pregame for claiming DJ Smith is too "small" to play the run.

Said if the commentor who spoke had ever attended practice they would know Smith might be short, but by no means too small. Dying to know who he is calling our for mailing it in.

[pbmax]

Is Gurley even suiting up tonight?

I think Gurley is the healthier of the two (Borel) and has made up some of the separation that Borel had created.

[pbmax]

What Channel is the game on? Can I see it on the internet?

You can always google to see if first row is available.

[Smeefers]

I got the radio going. Jeez. Live sports, the only time I miss TV.

[BallHawk]

Link for all those in need:

http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/135639/1/watch-cleveland-browns-vs-green-bay-packers.html

[Packgator]

I'm watching on first row. Good feed and picture.

[jpompo]

Link up on first row.

[Bretsky]

Francois blew up that block and made the ST tackle on Cribbs by himself

[Pugger]

is the download for the upgrade safe? I can hear it but not see it...

[Packgator]

Try one of the different links. No upgrade needed.

[Pugger]

I take it this site is only good for preseason games?

[Packgator]

All season long. At least it was last year.

[Pugger]

Not good in this drive for our D

[pittstang5]

Not good in this drive for our D

Run D not looking too good

[pittstang5]

Fire Slocum!

[Pugger]

I wonder if Rodgers will come back out...

[Pugger]

Fire Slocum!

:lol:

[Pugger]

Nice to see Alex Green back in there.

[pittstang5]

Uh, that's not good

[Pugger]

What in the hell is he challenging??

[pasquale]

why is he challenging if all turnovers are reviewed?

[ND72]

Turnover is reviewed, McCarthy challenged if he stepped out

[pasquale]

sometimes I forget he does this for a living...:doh:

[pittstang5]

Wow 15 yard for throwing challenge flag. huh

[Pugger]

At least they didn't score 7

[Pugger]

Wow 15 yard for throwing challenge flag. huh

Maybe this will teach MM to keep that freaking red hankie in his pocket

[pittstang5]

I know it's preseason, but if your going to take it out from 9 yards deep, run away from the guys coming after you.

[Pugger]

When will Jennings be back?

[pittstang5]

When will Jennings be back?

Or Finley

[Pugger]

Donald wasn't open, Aaron.

[pittstang5]

Man, Run D looks like ass

[Pugger]

defense still needs major work

[pittstang5]

Strike that, secondary looks bad too. And tackling is still sub-par.

[Pugger]

dear lord

[Pugger]

I have a feeling MM will not be pleased with this effort so far tonight

[Pugger]

Of course we wouldn't go for it on 4th down in that position in the regular season

[Smeefers]

Wow! Thanks for the link! I didn't think I'd actually get one, so I was out in the garage cleaning up and listening to the radio. Man it's good to see old fashion football.

[pittstang5]

Of course we wouldn't go for it on 4th down in that position in the regular season

True, but the defense shouldn't allow 5 yards per carry either (At least it seems like 5 yards yer carry)

[gbgary]

a bit inept on both sides of the ball.

[Pugger]

Now to see if Harrell will be better this time around

[Smeefers]

Man, these officials can't stay out of the game.

[red]

well the NFL finally did it, they went and made their product completely unwatchable to me

this is the second packer game in a row now that i couldn't make through the first quarter without being bored out of my mind

i think they need to find 2 or 3 more things to review automatically

[Pugger]

looks like the starters are out

[Joemailman]

Harrell needs to stop throwing the ball behind his receivers.

[pittstang5]

Ok, I've seen three plays from Harrell and already I want him out of the game.

[Pugger]

good tackle on cribbs

[Pugger]

Maybe we should talk to Cleveland about McCoy...

[Pugger]

Worthy slowed the runner down

[gbgary]

a chuck-like play by bush.

[Pugger]

3 and out - that's an improvement

[Bretsky]

A couple notes; Francois..............he's made two great special team plays

Graham Harrell..........I'm not buying in

[Pugger]

good lord

[pittstang5]

A couple notes; Francois..............he's made two great special team plays

Graham Harrell..........I'm not buying in

me either

[Pugger]

Oh oh, the stream crashed

[Pugger]

got it back

[Pugger]

Its difficult to know how well Harrell is playing with the back ups in the line

[gbgary]

63 yd punt...daaaang

[Pugger]

my stream crashed again, what happened on that 3rd down for Harrell? I see the brownies have the ball again

[pittstang5]

Conversation I hope happens tonight.

Hey Mike (Holmgren), it's Ted (Thompson), so what are you thining for McCoy? I'll give ya this guy Harrell and what, some donuts. Cool?

[Pugger]

are the Cleveland starters still in there?

[Pugger]

Bradon Jackson? Our old RB?

[Pugger]

I see Joe Thomas is still in there

[pittstang5]

pathetic...9 yards on a draw. Tackling issues still there.

[pittstang5]

are the Cleveland starters still in there?

For the most part, yes

[Pugger]

A punt!?

[Pugger]

For the most part, yes

for our backups to get them to punt with their starters in there is encouraging

[pittstang5]

I smell safety

[pittstang5]

Good Lord, underthrown, overthrown...wth Harrell

[jmbarnes101]

Maybe we should talk to Cleveland about McCoy...

That's exactly what I've been thinking since before Harrell took the field tonight. If anything that thinking has only gotten stronger.

[KYPack]

This stream blows goats.

& so does the Pack

[denverYooper]

Who was holding the bass on the sidelines?

[pittstang5]

don't bother watching, it'll be good

[pittstang5]

Who was holding the bass on the sidelines?

A marching band person

[pittstang5]

Great field position, now DO SOMETHING with it

[pittstang5]

OMG Harrell, you are a moron.

[Pugger]

ewww

[Pugger]

I don't recall Flynn being this crappy

[pittstang5]

Phil Dawson didn't seem to have any problems

[Bretsky]

What veteran QB's are out there to sign besides McNabb ? Any ?

[Pugger]

Bring on Coleman after the break

[Bretsky]

Jeff Garcia ?

[pittstang5]

Irritating to have a great kick off return then have Harrell do nothing with it, then Crosby to miss.

Yes, I know it's preseason.

[pittstang5]

Jeff Garcia ?

Probably available, but when was the last time he played

[Pugger]

I do feel bad for Harrell but he doesn't seem to have "it" does he?

[Bretsky]

I do feel bad for Harrell but he doesn't seem to have "it" does he?

no, he doesn't seem to have the edge

[ND72]

Is it possible to cut Harrell at halftime?

[denverYooper]

Harrell isn't getting a lot of help.

[pittstang5]

Harrell isn't getting a lot of help.

He's had time and has thrown, behind, in front, underthrown and overthrown receivers. I could understand if he were under pressure all game, but he's had time.

[ND72]

Call Favre.....:rs:

[pittstang5]

I want Flynn back

[mission]

I want Flynn back

I bet we could have traded Flynn for a 5th to turn around and flip for Colt McCoy. :/

[denverYooper]

He's had time and has thrown, behind, in front, underthrown and overthrown receivers. I could understand if he were under pressure all game, but he's had time.

He's had time at times. It's not like his protection has been consistent.

I'm not saying he hasn't had a shitty game, but it looks to me like his big problem is that he is taking just a bit too long in his reads and losing his feet at times when under duress. Some of that has resulted in loopy-looking throws, sure, but those are things I feel will improve. His numbers are hurt some by gaffes on the part of his receivers.

[denverYooper]

DJ Smith looks like he's put on a few lbs.

[pittstang5]

Ugh, this sucks.

[pittstang5]

I feel bad for the fans at this game.

So, my thoughts: Tackling issues keep popping up. Run Def not good. Harrell is not good and I think they need to cut their loses now and find a vet.

I'm trying for something positive and really can't think of anything - oh, Masthay looks good. That's about it, I'm going to bed.

[Brandon494]

Harrell proving my point that he sucks once yet again.

[Teamcheez1]

What does MM see in Graham Harrell? Not that he's playing with the first string, but I don't see much to give me any confidence as a back-up.

[Pugger]

That last pass by Graham was off and the WR adjusted.

[denverYooper]

What about the last 2?

[mission]

How is the Browns' 3rd string QB better than our backup? Yikes.

[King Friday]

Wow. All the boys taking the night off on the sidelines better be ready to suit up next week. This isn't going to be a fun week in Packer camp. Two pathetic games in a row. Our reserves on offense are lackluster to say the least. The OL can't block, the QB can't throw, and the RB can't run. I guess the receivers made a few nice catches when the QB threw the ball within 5 yards of them.

It is one thing to not win in preseason...it is another to be embarrassed twice by subpar rosters.

[jmbarnes101]

What an ugly, ugly game. Thankfully it's preseason and hopefully our guys come out to play next week. Harrell is atrocious and I'd love to see us go out and get someone, anyone like McNabb, McCoy or some other backup that doesn't completely stink. Heck I think I'd feel better having Tarvaris Jackson as our backup and that's just insulting.

[mission]

What an ugly, ugly game. Thankfully it's preseason and hopefully our guys come out to play next week. Harrell is atrocious and I'd love to see us go out and get someone, anyone like McNabb, McCoy or some other backup that doesn't completely stink. Heck I think I'd feel better having Tarvaris Jackson as our backup and that's just insulting.

Haha T-Jack would be a huge improvement and I can't stand the guy. Honestly, I've been a Harrell supporter this whole time but not afraid to admit I'm probably wrong. Guy just doesn't have IT like Flynn did/does.

[denverYooper]

No injuries!

[RashanGary]

No injuries!

Well, there's the bright side.


My two biggest lowlights (among many, many, many lowlights)

Grahm Harrell
Our run defense

[mmmdk]

Our D is in trouble! And backup QB too!!

[RashanGary]

Jarrett Bush is the best tackler on our team. Too bad he can't cover worth a lick.

Collins is the best tackler I've seen. Bush is right up there.

[RashanGary]

Anyone see that Jahvid Best is out from a 2011 concussion.

Makes you wonder how long Jennings could be out.

[RashanGary]

MM looked absolutely irate.

[pbmax]

Adam Caplan Tweeted that Harrell was one of the two worst QBs he graded at his Senior Bowl. Had no sense of pocket or timing.

Datko has some raw skills but he is not ready for prime time. Can be bulled and taken apart on run plays or anything inside. Radio said Wells played LG after being at LT all week. Well, I know he rotated at LT with Taylor and Datko, but I suspect he saw some snaps at his more natural position, but the Packers do some odd things on the O line sometimes. I bet Thompson plays Datko a ransom to stay on the PS.

That said, Sherrod must be healthy or there is not a ready for primetime LT on the roster beside Newhouse.

MD Jennings went a long way toward losing any confidence I had in him. I would rather send McMillan out there to hit someone. Anyone.

If Jarret Bush could figure out how to locate a ball, he would be in the Hall of Fame already.

Twitter, including the writers, all believe the scuttlebutt that the Packers are both trying to get Harrell up to speed, but also hiding Coleman from the film.

CJ Wilson and Raji got rolled on run plays early. I would prefer Pickettt in the middle. Sometimes Raji doesn't give 100% on double teams and lets himself get turned.

Muir is going to stick and the Packers are going to need Hargrove and Neal before the season is out. Browns have a good O line at spots (not sure if entire unit is as effective as some individuals) but the Packers looked very shaky up front. Dezman Moses lost some luster as well being blind to what was going on around him. Walden will stick on 53 easily.

[pbmax]

Anyone see that Jahvid Best is out from a 2011 concussion.

Makes you wonder how long Jennings could be out.

Best has a long history of them dating back to college. I think Jennings is on number 3. He was back in meetings this week,

[Bretsky]

Note to pb; even is Sherry does get healthy we still don't have a ready LT on the roster besides Newhouse

[Bretsky]

What an ugly, ugly game. Thankfully it's preseason and hopefully our guys come out to play next week. Harrell is atrocious and I'd love to see us go out and get someone, anyone like McNabb, McCoy or some other backup that doesn't completely stink. Heck I think I'd feel better having Tarvaris Jackson as our backup and that's just insulting.

I forgot about Jackson, but throwing a 7th rounder to Seattle, who is going to cut Jackson anyways in favor of the amazing RUSSELL WILSON......might be a good idea

[RashanGary]

Adam Caplan Tweeted that Harrell was one of the two worst QBs he graded at his Senior Bowl. Had no sense of pocket or timing.

Datko has some raw skills but he is not ready for prime time. Can be bulled and taken apart on run plays or anything inside. Radio said Wells played LG after being at LT all week. Well, I know he rotated at LT with Taylor and Datko, but I suspect he saw some snaps at his more natural position, but the Packers do some odd things on the O line sometimes. I bet Thompson plays Datko a ransom to stay on the PS.

That said, Sherrod must be healthy or there is not a ready for primetime LT on the roster beside Newhouse.

MD Jennings went a long way toward losing any confidence I had in him. I would rather send McMillan out there to hit someone. Anyone.

If Jarret Bush could figure out how to locate a ball, he would be in the Hall of Fame already.

Twitter, including the writers, all believe the scuttlebutt that the Packers are both trying to get Harrell up to speed, but also hiding Coleman from the film.

CJ Wilson and Raji got rolled on run plays early. I would prefer Pickettt in the middle. Sometimes Raji doesn't give 100% on double teams and lets himself get turned.

Muir is going to stick and the Packers are going to need Hargrove and Neal before the season is out. Browns have a good O line at spots (not sure if entire unit is as effective as some individuals) but the Packers looked very shaky up front. Dezman Moses lost some luster as well being blind to what was going on around him. Walden will stick on 53 easily.

Those looked like some good observations. Raji was getting pushed around by that center. It was crazy.

[denverYooper]

I found it pretty interesting that Rodgers called out the running game and specifically mentioned that he was looking forward to having "Ced" at running back next week.

[smuggler]

I bet we could have traded Flynn for a 5th to turn around and flip for Colt McCoy. :/

Instead, we'll get a 3rd round comp pick for him next year.

[pbmax]

Those looked like some good observations. Raji was getting pushed around by that center. It was crazy.

Their center is very good, but Pickett is more stout that Raji. I don't know why they are so intent on him being in there in base 3-4.

[pbmax]

Note to pb; even is Sherry does get healthy we still don't have a ready LT on the roster besides Newhouse

If Sherry came back this morning, he would be the closest to competent at backup LT even if he hasn't lifted a weight since November of 11. Its all relative.

[Harlan Huckleby]

DJ Smith looks like he's put on a few lbs.

I thought he looked awful. Could just be the plays where he caught my eye.

[smuggler]

Raji is typically the first man off the ball on the LoS, plus he's big. That's important, but there are areas of his play that leave a little to be desired.

[smuggler]

Raji was getting pushed around by that center. It was crazy.

A thing Pouncey could never dream of.

[Smidgeon]

How is the Browns' 3rd string QB better than our backup? Yikes.

Because he's actually their backup once they dump Colt. He was Hasselbeck's backup in Seattle and has been in the league for ten years now. And he's got the athleticism to make up for bad line play: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7gPOl_F8HQ

(P.S. That play was voted the #2 play of the year in college football that year. Second only to a crazy Hail Mary to win a game. And I saw that play live.)

[Smidgeon]

Adam Caplan Tweeted that Harrell was one of the two worst QBs he graded at his Senior Bowl. Had no sense of pocket or timing.

Datko has some raw skills but he is not ready for prime time. Can be bulled and taken apart on run plays or anything inside. Radio said Wells played LG after being at LT all week. Well, I know he rotated at LT with Taylor and Datko, but I suspect he saw some snaps at his more natural position, but the Packers do some odd things on the O line sometimes. I bet Thompson plays Datko a ransom to stay on the PS.

That said, Sherrod must be healthy or there is not a ready for primetime LT on the roster beside Newhouse.

MD Jennings went a long way toward losing any confidence I had in him. I would rather send McMillan out there to hit someone. Anyone.

If Jarret Bush could figure out how to locate a ball, he would be in the Hall of Fame already.

Twitter, including the writers, all believe the scuttlebutt that the Packers are both trying to get Harrell up to speed, but also hiding Coleman from the film.

CJ Wilson and Raji got rolled on run plays early. I would prefer Pickettt in the middle. Sometimes Raji doesn't give 100% on double teams and lets himself get turned.

Muir is going to stick and the Packers are going to need Hargrove and Neal before the season is out. Browns have a good O line at spots (not sure if entire unit is as effective as some individuals) but the Packers looked very shaky up front. Dezman Moses lost some luster as well being blind to what was going on around him. Walden will stick on 53 easily.

Yes. Good observations.

I only saw the second part of the second quarter through most of the fourth when the Browns were just running out the clock.

Bullish
Jerron McMillian
Daniel Muir
DJ Smith
Jarrett Boykin
Casey Hayward

Bearish
Graham Harrell
Injuries

[rbaloha1]

Overall a sloppy and disappointing game.

On the bright side, the first team o-line looked very good. Provided AR time to scan the field. Green flashed some nice runs but needs to show consistency. Boykin and Williams looked good. Expect Williams to back-up Finley and play a lot. Boykin may edge out Borel and Gurley. Datko looked real good. Benson is really needed.

On the defensive side DJ played well. Nice blitzing and calling out the signals. Hawk is squaring up more rather than avoiding blockers.

IMO the McMillian, Ross and Richardson are the best back-up safeties.