Official Packers vs. Bengals Game Day Thread

[Joemailman]

I interrupt the Shawn Merriman Thread to inform you all that there is a football game tonight!

Finley (new baby) and D.J. Williams will not play tonight. Big night for Ryan Taylor to show something.

Others out:

WR Shaky Smithson (ankle)
RB Du'ane Bennett (knee)
CB Davon House (shoulder)
RB Brandon Saine (hamstring)
FB Jon Hoese (hamstring)
RB James Starks (toe)
LB Desmond Bishop (hamstring)
LB Frank Zombo (hamstring)
DE Johnny Jones (knee)
OG Ray Dominguez (ankle)
OT Andrew Datko (concussion)
OT Derek Sherrod (leg)

[rbaloha1]

go pack go!

[Freak Out]

How long are the starters in tonight?

[Joemailman]

How long are the starters in tonight?

MM has been saying 1st half.

[Mazzin]

Will it be on first row again? I don't want to have to wait up until 12 when shitty ol nfl network is set to re air it

[rbaloha1]

Will it be on first row again? I don't want to have to wait up until 12 when shitty ol nfl network is set to re air it

http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/136830/1/watch-green-bay-packers-vs-cincinnati-bengals.html

Luckily local tv station is broadcasting just like the previous game. One advantage of not having a local nfl team.:mrgreen:

[pittstang5]

Why No Finley...Rest? Injured again?

[Freak Out]

Nice feed of the Bengal broadcasters on first row.

[pittstang5]

RB NEED to stop this Fumbling!

[Bossman641]

Does Zombo EVER play?

[pittstang5]

Newhouse - false start then Holding penalty. Not a good start.

[Pugger]

Nice feed of the Bengal broadcasters on first row.

I can't get it to work this week

[Packgator]

Why No Finley...Rest? Injured again?

Had a baby.

[pasquale]

Why No Finley...Rest? Injured again?

His wife had a baby today

[pittstang5]

Nice Stop, must have had good coverage downfield. Only the short stuff was open.

[Pugger]

its working now but there is an ad in the middle of the screen...says I have to download iLivid?

[Mazzin]

its working now but there is an ad in the middle of the screen...says I have to download iLivid?



Dont download anything, after 30 seconds there will be a red box that says close....click that

[Pugger]

The picture quality that I can see isn't all that hot either

[pittstang5]

How is that not PI!

[Pugger]

Dont download anything, after 30 seconds there will be a red box that says close....click that

k

It is okay now

[Pugger]

How is that not PI!

No chit

[Mazzin]

Rodgers just out ran, Nate Clementes....SO dope

[Freak Out]

Wow....making it look easy.

[Mazzin]

Dont like seeing him rushing so much in the preseason though, is the Bengals D-Line that good, or our O-line looking lethargic?

[rbaloha1]

Rodgers just out ran, Nate Clementes....SO dope

Smooth and fast.

[pittstang5]

Is it me or is the Bengals D-line causing some havoc against the Packer O-line.

[Pugger]

Good drive but I want to see Benson and Green more

[Freak Out]

Lets hope the real refs get back for the start of the regular season.

[CaptainKickass]

Obligatory game day post.

[Mazzin]

who was that on the pressure there?

[Mazzin]

MATTHEWS AND RAJI!

[Joemailman]

Pressure by Perry, and then a sack on the next play? Who are these guys?

[pittstang5]

Another 3 and out. That series looked real good for the D.

[pittstang5]

Newhouse is not looking too good.

[Freak Out]

Horrible call.

[Mazzin]

nice CLEAN hit, but the commentary is stupid...thats not how they teach it....wrap up maybe?

[Mazzin]

Loving the safe slide every run

[pittstang5]

Don't agree with the person foul, once I saw the replay. I initially thought helmet to helmet, but my feed is fuzzy. Replay showed clean hit. Hopefully, Crabtree just had the wind knocked out of him and it's not another concussion for this team.

[pittstang5]

Liked what i saw from Benson

[Freak Out]

All QB all the time.

[pittstang5]

Really, you're gonna let him run for 30 yards.

[pittstang5]

There's the D I know

[Mazzin]

Nice tackle for 38...didn't look worried about his shoulder at all to me!

[Mazzin]

Slightly over thrown, but SOOOO nice to see bush at least CLOSE and contesting

[denverYooper]

Matthews looks like he's got more pop this year. I wonder if his hammy affected him a lot last year.

Worthy getting upfield and closing off that right side. Not too shabby.

[pittstang5]

Wow, you don't see that much from Rogers. Poor decision

[Freak Out]

Horrible route running.

[Freak Out]

Wow, you don't see that much from Rogers. Poor decision

Don't blame Arod.

[Mazzin]

We will take it Walden, but no one even LOOKED at you.

[pittstang5]

And that's what you're supposed to do when you are unblocked. Make a play! Nice Walden, Nice.

[wpony]

Nice to have a real running back in camp

[pittstang5]

Benson can teach Starks something....Cut and Run.

[wpony]

I really hope they keep benson for a few years at least 2 years to teach the young running backs the correct way to run does not seem like our coaches can

[pittstang5]

How the hell was AJ Green that wide open

[Mazzin]

Jarrett Bush, starting to earn some respect

[Joemailman]

How the hell was AJ Green that wide open

Shields fell down

Few plays later, Nice play by Moses to stop A.J. Green short of 1st down.

[denverYooper]

Benson can teach Starks something....Cut and Run.

He sure does look like a nice addition.

[Joemailman]

I was at the game 3 years ago when Bengals beat the Packers. I was impressed then with how tough a runner he was. Ran for over 140 yards.

[pittstang5]

Shields fell down

Few plays later, Nice play by Moses to stop A.J. Green short of 1st down.

Figured someone must have slipped or something.

[wpony]

is the Bengals offense that bad or is our defense playing that good so far ?

[pittstang5]

I was at the game 3 years ago when Bengals beat the Packers. I was impressed then with how tough a runner he was. Ran for over 140 yards.

Probably helps a little that he's playing against his old team too. But I'm really liking him

[pittstang5]

Go for it!

[pittstang5]

So we can push off receivers and not get called for PI? WTF

[AtlPackFan]

What is happening. All I am getting is updated stats and it don't look too pretty. Lots of incomplete passes, Rogers leading rusher???

[denverYooper]

Shields fell down

Few plays later, Nice play by Moses to stop A.J. Green short of 1st down.

Moses has had a couple of other nice plays.

[rbaloha1]

Benson is big time and easily the starter. Aloha Starks.

[wpony]

actually the Packers are looking pretty good tonight on both sides of the ball Benson looks smooth and can find the holes and the D is playing decent

[rbaloha1]

Perry is powerful and collapses the pocket. Worthy is still playing too high. The rookies hustle, track down carriers and tackle well.

The intensity is there.

[AtlPackFan]

actually the Packers are looking pretty good tonight on both sides of the ball Benson looks smooth and can find the holes and the D is playing decent
So why all the incompletions an d Rogers leading rusher. Not questioning you, just can't see the game.

[Mazzin]

Mason Crosby gettin his nose dirty....LOVE IT

[AtlPackFan]

Mason Crosby gettin his nose dirty....LOVE IT
Mazzini, how are you watching the game???

[Mazzin]

http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/136830/1/watch-green-bay-packers-vs-cincinnati-bengals.html

[AtlPackFan]

Thanks Mazzini. Damn iPad...can't see it anyway

[Mazzin]

Ahh, sorry im on my desktop.

[smuggler]

Whoever number 28 is, that guy's probably going to make the team. Can he keep it up?

[Mazzin]

Really Really like McMillian

[wpony]

our Oline still has a ways to go thats why the yardage and completions for the QBs but look at the over all stats and its not bad

[Mazzin]

Moses is also going hard in the paint

[pittstang5]

I've had it with Harrell, put in Coleman

[pittstang5]

I'm telling ya, somebody has got to whip these RBs into non-fumbling shape.

[wpony]

from my little window on my computer was it the rbs fault or thye qb on the hand off

[Joemailman]

There's a lot going on out there that is not Harrell's fault.

[jmbarnes101]

I'm worried because I'm not confident Graham Harrell could lead our starting lineup down the field let alone the 2nd string.

[pittstang5]

from my little window on my computer was it the rbs fault or thye qb on the hand off

FB, I think Kuhn, clearly fumbled it

[jmbarnes101]

from my little window on my computer was it the rbs fault or thye qb on the hand off

ESPN gives the fumble to Harrell for what it's worth.

[Joemailman]

ESPN gives the fumble to Harrell for what it's worth.

Any time there's a bad exchange, it's charged to the QB since he's the last player to have control of the ball.

[denverYooper]

Moses is also going hard in the paint

Moses has popped with the 1s and 2s tonight. He seems to have a good feel for the play at hand.

[MJZiggy]

Don't agree with the person foul, once I saw the replay. I initially thought helmet to helmet, but my feed is fuzzy. Replay showed clean hit. Hopefully, Crabtree just had the wind knocked out of him and it's not another concussion for this team.

Aren't they supposed to wait until the receiver's feet come down? He did hit him while he was in the air and defenseless...

[rbaloha1]

Moses has popped with the 1s and 2s tonight. He seems to have a good feel for the play at hand.

Yup. Very explosive. Drops well into coverage.

[pittstang5]

Harrell still sucks

[Guiness]

Does Zombo EVER play?

Or House?

[Joemailman]

Wells can't play LT. They need Sherrod to get healthy, because right now they only gave 6 legit OL, the starters and EDS. Maybe Datko when he gets back.

[pittstang5]

Wells can't play LT. They need Sherrod to get healthy, because right now they only gave 6 legit OL, the starters and EDS. Maybe Datko when he gets back.

And I don't know why the staff thinks he can. He played guard for most of his career. He's a guard.

[Guiness]

Borel with a ball through his hands. I don't see him making the team the way he's been playing.

Tyler running the ball well. Isn't he the guy who said he wouldn't run away from anyone, and was voted by the board 'most likely to suck'?

[Joemailman]

Just finished a glass of Jack Daniels on the rocks. Can I make it through the 4th quarter?

[Joemailman]

Borel with a ball through his hands. I don't see him making the team the way he's been playing.

Tyler running the ball well. Isn't he the guy who said he wouldn't run away from anyone, and was voted by the board 'most likely to suck'?

Borel has been a disappointment. Tyler is solid, but won't make it past the linebackers very often. May stick in the NFL as a 3rd down back.

[Guiness]

I just learned something. I don't want Shea Allard protecting Aaron Rodgers this season!

[mmmdk]

Harrell still sucks

He does suck! But # 69 sucks even more!!

[Guiness]

Borel has been a disappointment. Tyler is solid, but won't make it past the linebackers very often. May stick in the NFL as a 3rd down back.

I know he's not a world beater, just commenting that he isn't as bad as advertised.

Bengals have some #1's back in on D due to numbers.

[pittstang5]

He does suck! But # 69 sucks even more!!
True dat

[jmbarnes101]

Apparently Daryn Colledge had a catch tonight for two yards.

[Joemailman]

He does suck! But # 69 sucks even more!!

Maybe they can do a video.

[mmmdk]

Nice run, Tyler!

[mmmdk]

Cooper too, but protect the rock [better] Cooper.

[Guiness]

Cooper is a big guy.

edit: listed at 5'10" 249lbs, that's Natron Means territory

[mmmdk]

Nice pick six!

[pittstang5]

Sweet, pick 6

[Guiness]

Packers with a fumble recovery. It looked like he spit that ball out!

[smuggler]

Jamari Lattimore with a pick-6 and Casey Hayward with a forced fumble on the very next play.

[MJZiggy]

Kinda classy for the Bengals to pick a Packer as the player of the game.

[pbmax]

Saw only the first half but:

Please, please, please let Sherrod get healthy
Welcome to the team Nick Perry (would love for KYPack to tell me that Right Tackle was good because Perry abused him several times)
I think I will like the CedBen era, all apologies to Bretsky for doubting
-even when he ran the zone from single back and picked or pressed the wrong hole, he was very close to breaking it
-if he can pick that up in a week, he will be very good in Week 8
-he did cut back one very well for big yardage, so he can do it
TWill looked healthy
Saturday has to pass block longer
Defense looked vastly more aggressive
-loved the pass rush
-loved the goal line stand
-loved seeing a 3 man rush and deep zone forcing a short throw and then something happen that I think is called a tackle short of the first down marker
-at times looked like a Steelers defense from 5 years ago
Worthy, even when blocked at goal line, still fought and stayed square, not losing his feet or angle, he might make it
Hope Crabtree is healthy, I don't think that was a penalty though (the penalty on the deep throw to Nelson was missed entirely)
Hope Pickett calf injury is minor
Saw Ryan Taylor get open a few times, good news

[RashanGary]

Saw only the first half but:

Please, please, please let Sherrod get healthy
Welcome to the team Nick Perry (would love for KYPack to tell me that Right Tackle was good because Perry abused him several times)
I think I will like the CedBen era, all apologies to Bretsky for doubting
-even when he ran the zone from single back and picked or pressed the wrong hole, he was very close to breaking it
-if he can pick that up in a week, he will be very good in Week 8
-he did cut back one very well for big yardage, so he can do it
TWill looked healthy
Saturday has to pass block longer
Defense looked vastly more aggressive
-loved the pass rush
-loved the goal line stand
-loved seeing a 3 man rush and deep zone forcing a short throw and then something happen that I think is called a tackle short of the first down marker
-at times looked like a Steelers defense from 5 years ago
Worthy, even when blocked at goal line, still fought and stayed square, not losing his feet or angle, he might make it
Hope Crabtree is healthy, I don't think that was a penalty though (the penalty on the deep throw to Nelson was missed entirely)
Hope Pickett calf injury is minor
Saw Ryan Taylor get open a few times, good news

I was happy with all of these things too. AR and GJ have a little chemistry to work in, but other than that, I think the offense is going to be a beast again.

Loved Benson. LOVED him. Just going off one half of football, he's the best running back we've had since A Green. He's the first RB we've had who knows when to set up a block and when to go forward. Just an all around natural runner.

I don't know if he's a game breaker, but he's that type of back who's going to get you the quick yards every time and that extra 4 or 5 when it's there.

Looks like the perfect back for our offense. I'd rather have Benson of 4 years ago, but if you're not goign to invest big bucks in a RB, I think we have the best we could get.

[George Cumby]

I was happy with all of these things too. AR and GJ have a little chemistry to work in, but other than that, I think the offense is going to be a beast again.

Loved Benson. LOVED him. Just going off one half of football, he's the best running back we've had since A Green. He's the first RB we've had who knows when to set up a block and when to go forward. Just an all around natural runner.

I don't know if he's a game breaker, but he's that type of back who's going to get you the quick yards every time and that extra 4 or 5 when it's there.

Looks like the perfect back for our offense. I'd rather have Benson of 4 years ago, but if you're not goign to invest big bucks in a RB, I think we have the best we could get.

Stop, Justin, stop!

I'm getting all hot and bothered hearing you talk this way, you naughty boy, you!

[ThunderDan]

The thing that stood out the most about Benson was the play actions to me. The Bengals respected his ability and got sucked in time after time on the play action.

Benson was very decisive when running. He made his cut and hit the hole.

McMillian could be the next Nick Collins, small school guy who makes an impact in the NFL.

[rbaloha1]

Overall a good game.

Defense played fast and loose making big plays.

Crosby also displayed usual smooth stroke.

[RashanGary]

McMillian could be the next Nick Collins, small school guy who makes an impact in the NFL.


I'm a big Collins fan. I think he's the best tackler I've seen in the last 10 years (I really only follow the Packers close enough to know anyone else)

But yeah, McMillan looked good. I'm still in wait and see mode, but I liked what I saw too. Looks tough, fast and the shocking thing, he was sticky in coverage. That's the part I did not expect, not at all.

Oh, and with Collins gone, Bush looks like the best tackler on our team :) :)

He's 205 with speed and agility, but he plays like 225. Tough guy! Hell, if Capers wants to go small and fast, throw Bush in there as an ILB type guy. He can sift through traffic, bend under blocks and tackle with the best of them. I can't imagine his coverage is any worse than the ILB's. Collins had that way about him, sifting through traffic and bending/beating blocks. It doesn't seem like anyone can really get their hands on him. Damn it, I never thought I'd say this, but I'm a big fan of Bush. More as a LB/DB hybrid than a pure DB. I just think he's tough enough, where if you have him on the field in place of a guy like Hawk, you're not giving up much toughness and you're gaining a guy who can beat blocks and make big tackles.

[Freak Out]

Let the kool-aid flow my Packer brethren! God I hate watching football on a shitty feed from a fucking Euro website.

[Pugger]

Let the kool-aid flow my Packer brethren! God I hate watching football on a shitty feed from a fucking Euro website.

But at least those of us not in Wisconsin were able to see the game no matter how chitty the feed and how many ads popped up in the field of view.

I'm with the rest of you gentlemen singing Benson's praises today. It was nice to see a back that can actually make people miss and will hit the hole with authority. :-D

[George Cumby]

I didn't get home til the second half but from what I saw:

Moses makes the team.

I like the BJ better than Harrell.

Tyler might stick as well.

I like me some McMillan.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I haven't watched the game yet, so I better not read this thread. I want to experience every chill and thrill of preseason football fresh.

[smuggler]

Aren't they supposed to wait until the receiver's feet come down? He did hit him while he was in the air and defenseless...

Crabtree got his feet down and turned. It was a bad call both by the refs and by the Bengals play-by-play guys. (They really are horrible, no offense to Anthony Munoz)

[pbmax]

Crabtree got his feet down and turned. It was a bad call both by the refs and by the Bengals play-by-play guys. (They really are horrible, no offense to Anthony Munoz)

Feet down and turned have nothing to do with it. For the purposes of the rule, he was defenseless. But he was hit with the shoulder and I thought, standard definition only, he was hit in the arm below the shoulder. I don't think that hit in that location should be flagged.

[rbaloha1]

Feet down and turned have nothing to do with it. For the purposes of the rule, he was defenseless. But he was hit with the shoulder and I thought, standard definition only, he was hit in the arm below the shoulder. I don't think that hit in that location should be flagged.

Ditto. Bad call. TC held onto the ball which was pretty amazing.

[Upnorth]

So I don't like how ARod had to scramble to score in the preseason. I realize it is a major weapon for him, but it scares the crap outta me everytime he takes off.
Also I have official jumped on the Benson bandwagon.
Liked how our d actuallprevented the bengals from moving the ball, now let's see them do that against a real nfl offense.

[pbmax]

I haven't watched the game yet, so I better not read this thread. I want to experience every chill and thrill of preseason football fresh.

Packers win. Harrell still unproven. BJ Coleman is like a 7 year old with a bazooka.

[pbmax]

So I don't like how ARod had to scramble to score in the preseason. I realize it is a major weapon for him, but it scares the crap outta me everytime he takes off.
Also I have official jumped on the Benson bandwagon.
Liked how our d actuallprevented the bengals from moving the ball, now let's see them do that against a real nfl offense.

Join me in praying for Derek Sherrod's recovery.

[rbaloha1]

Join me in praying for Derek Sherrod's recovery.

Okay. For some reason I have faith in Wells and Datko but not #72.

[Smidgeon]

I was happy with all of these things too. AR and GJ have a little chemistry to work in, but other than that, I think the offense is going to be a beast again.

Loved Benson. LOVED him. Just going off one half of football, he's the best running back we've had since A Green. He's the first RB we've had who knows when to set up a block and when to go forward. Just an all around natural runner.

I don't know if he's a game breaker, but he's that type of back who's going to get you the quick yards every time and that extra 4 or 5 when it's there.

Looks like the perfect back for our offense. I'd rather have Benson of 4 years ago, but if you're not goign to invest big bucks in a RB, I think we have the best we could get.

This, I absolutely agree with. In fact, after watching the game yesterday, I was wondering for a while why there's been such a big gap of RB talent between AG and Benson. I mean, Green was so good that he relegated an all time talent like Favre into a game manager and would have carried the team to the Super Bowl if Sherman had gone for it on fourth and one. And now there's Benson, who knows how to run. Apparently, I'm learning that knowing how to run is a much more difficult skill than I previously gave credit.

Other thoughts:

Bullish
McMillian. Again.
Benson. Impressive.

Bearish
The second half. Fell asleep right out of the gate. Literally. Didn't wake up until 2 minutes left in the game.

[QBME]

Packers win. Harrell still unproven. BJ Coleman is like a 7 year old with a bazooka.

LOL!

[mraynrand]

Will it be on first row again? I don't want to have to wait up until 12 when shitty ol nfl network is set to re air it


Hey, It's nice to see Tank again!

[mmmdk]

Let the kool-aid flow my Packer brethren! God I hate watching football on a shitty feed from a fucking Euro website.

First of all; there's no god! And second of all; you're [probably] a son of the Euro trash that crossed the grand herring pond. :wink:

[smuggler]

Feet down and turned have nothing to do with it. For the purposes of the rule, he was defenseless.


“It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.
(a) Players in a defenseless posture are: [. . .]
(2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player;
[. . .]
(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:
(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and
(2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.”

The rule allows refs a little wiggle room, but since he got his feet down and had turned upfield, he wasn't defenseless IMO.

[MJZiggy]

Thanks for posting the rule. I would really have to see it again. I thought he wasn't down yet, but even if he were, he wasn't hit in the head or neck area. I don't think a more experienced crew would have made that call...

[pbmax]

The rule allows refs a little wiggle room, but since he got his feet down and had turned upfield, he wasn't defenseless IMO.

Was he capable of warding off the hit, or avoiding it? I don't think so. I don't think there is anyway Crabtree could have avoided that hit and he was not clearly a runner. I think by that definition, and by how they have called it in the past, he was defenseless.

But the reason it wasn't a flag is that the DB KNEW it was going to be close and hit him with his shoulder on his shoulder. That is permissible; the defender needs to avoid the head and neck. At least Crabtree, Marvin Lewis and I agree on that.

[RashanGary]

Was he capable of warding off the hit, or avoiding it? I don't think so. I don't think there is anyway Crabtree could have avoided that hit and he was not clearly a runner. I think by that definition, and by how they have called it in the past, he was defenseless.

But the reason it wasn't a flag is that the DB KNEW it was going to be close and hit him with his shoulder on his shoulder. That is permissible; the defender needs to avoid the head and neck. At least Crabtree, Marvin Lewis and I agree on that.

It's not the head or neck. It's head or neck area. Shoulder, sternum, upper back. . . . . All of those could be considered in the neck area, depending on who's throwing the flag and what angle they had.

There is some grey area on that rule. In this case, I'll be a hypocrite. I didn't like seeing it done to our guy, but I would have cheered if we would have lit up Calvin Johnson on the same hit.

[pbmax]

It's not the head or neck. It's head or neck area. Shoulder, sternum, upper back. . . . . All of those could be considered in the neck area, depending on who's throwing the flag and what angle they had.

There is some grey area on that rule. In this case, I'll be a hypocrite. I didn't like seeing it done to our guy, but I would have cheered if we would have lit up Calvin Johnson on the same hit.

We are going to need an anatomy dummy to decide this, because the DB didn't hit Crabtree on the top or even edge of the shoulder but the outside closest to his arm. If that qualifies as "neck area" then the NFL deserves what it gets from its officiating.

[KYPack]

Saw only the first half but:

Please, please, please let Sherrod get healthy
Welcome to the team Nick Perry (would love for KYPack to tell me that Right Tackle was good because Perry abused him several times)
I think I will like the CedBen era, all apologies to Bretsky for doubting
-even when he ran the zone from single back and picked or pressed the wrong hole, he was very close to breaking it
-if he can pick that up in a week, he will be very good in Week 8
-he did cut back one very well for big yardage, so he can do it
TWill looked healthy
Saturday has to pass block longer
Defense looked vastly more aggressive
-loved the pass rush
-loved the goal line stand
-loved seeing a 3 man rush and deep zone forcing a short throw and then something happen that I think is called a tackle short of the first down marker
-at times looked like a Steelers defense from 5 years ago
Worthy, even when blocked at goal line, still fought and stayed square, not losing his feet or angle, he might make it
Hope Crabtree is healthy, I don't think that was a penalty though (the penalty on the deep throw to Nelson was missed entirely)
Hope Pickett calf injury is minor
Saw Ryan Taylor get open a few times, good news

The RT that Perry whupped was Andre Smith from Alabama. He's a lazy bastard, but strong as a bull with great feet for a huge guy. Perry bulled him and whipped him in test of strength type deal. Perry is the real thing when it comes to a bull rush. Now we need Clay (& maybe Clay's daddy) to add some clubs to the kid's bag. Perry is still lost in cover, but he's hustling and trying.

That's more than many rooks do.

[Lurker64]

The RT that Perry whupped was Andre Smith from Alabama. He's a lazy bastard, but strong as a bull with great feet for a huge guy.

I've seen him running shirtless, "lazy" and "huge" might be putting it kindly.

N.B. Don't google that shit, you don't want to see it.

[Guiness]

I've seen him running shirtless, "lazy" and "huge" might be putting it kindly.

N.B. Don't google that shit, you don't want to see it.

Oh, THAT Andre Smith.

Ya. I've seen it.

[Brandon494]

I hope Moses gets playing time this season, dude just makes plays when hes on the field. Adding him, Perry, and Worthy should really improve the pass rush and I'm starting to believe we can be a top10 defense again this season.

[Patler]

Was he capable of warding off the hit, or avoiding it? I don't think so. I don't think there is anyway Crabtree could have avoided that hit and he was not clearly a runner. I think by that definition, and by how they have called it in the past, he was defenseless.

But the reason it wasn't a flag is that the DB KNEW it was going to be close and hit him with his shoulder on his shoulder. That is permissible; the defender needs to avoid the head and neck. At least Crabtree, Marvin Lewis and I agree on that.

After the flag, I wondered what the DB could have done to avoid a penalty. About the only thing I could think of was allowing Crabtree to pick up another 2-3 yards before tackling him. It was a hard hit, but not a vicious hit. You have a DB trying to tackle a TE, grabbing him would likely result in a broken tackle. Tackling a players legs is a lost art, but maybe DBs have to relearn it.

[KYPack]

Oh, THAT Andre Smith.

Ya. I've seen it.

He's developed into a top hand at RT. He gets a lot of bad press, mainly based on his fuck-ups from his rookie draft. he had a rookie agent and between the two of 'em, Smith looked like a fool in that draft. The media and a lot of Bengal fans think he's a bad dude because of it, but he's actually a solid RT.

And Perry blew his ass up. That's something experienced pro 5 techs and LOLB's haven't been able to do. I know Perry will have many rough spots in his first season, but there is strength and skill in that kid.

[rbaloha1]

He's developed into a top hand at RT. He gets a lot of bad press, mainly based on his fuck-ups from his rookie draft. he had a rookie agent and between the two of 'em, Smith looked like a fool in that draft. The media and a lot of Bengal fans think he's a bad dude because of it, but he's actually a solid RT.

And Perry blew his ass up. That's something experienced pro 5 techs and LOLB's haven't been able to do. I know Perry will have many rough spots in his first season, but there is strength and skill in that kid.

Yes sir. Once the counter moves accompany the bull rush stuff -- watch out.

[mraynrand]

I hope Moses gets playing time this season, dude just makes plays when hes on the field. Adding him, Perry, and Worthy should really improve the pass rush and I'm starting to believe we can be a top10 defense again this season.

I don't share your confidence. Unless Francois in coverage can give us more than:

http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/the-huddle/2012/06/27/Hawkx-large.jpg

[Joemailman]

I don't share your confidence. Unless Francois in coverage can give us more than:

http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/the-huddle/2012/06/27/Hawkx-large.jpg

I think pass coverage is a strength of Francois. Not sure about his run-stopping ability.

[RashanGary]

He's developed into a top hand at RT. He gets a lot of bad press, mainly based on his fuck-ups from his rookie draft. he had a rookie agent and between the two of 'em, Smith looked like a fool in that draft. The media and a lot of Bengal fans think he's a bad dude because of it, but he's actually a solid RT.

And Perry blew his ass up. That's something experienced pro 5 techs and LOLB's haven't been able to do. I know Perry will have many rough spots in his first season, but there is strength and skill in that kid.

I feel like this guy right now!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_GCPTfNuUw