Official Packers @ Seahawks game week discussion

[RashanGary]

In a hurry. . . . Nothing to add. . . .


Well, would love to see us play some decent zone defense this week. . .

[3irty1]

Sadly this could be the best secondary we've faced so far. If the offense can get going in this game I'll be surprised. Defensively the Packers have no excuses. They should eat this team alive.

[RashanGary]

Sadly this could be the best secondary we've faced so far. If the offense can get going in this game I'll be surprised. Defensively the Packers have no excuses. They should eat this team alive.

I'm not as certain as you. Shields is equally bad at zone coverage as Bush. He's a total turd. Wilson is a scrambling QB. We can't just turn our backs on him.

Woodson, Burnett, Hayward, House and Williams have shown the ability to play zone. Our defense can't just stack the box and have Collins clean up the whole back end of the field for us. Now we have to play games with our eyes to the ball. Not all of them, but some of them.

Chicago, we were able to play man defense all day. That's not going to be the case every week. There is some growing to do back there. A lot of it. We just got lucky, the way the game went in Chicago, their OL, and the way they tried to attack us. I'm not anointing them yet. So far, they've shown zero signs that they can play zone, and if they can't, we're going to get destroyed by good teams who match up well against us. We need to be more well rounded. Thsi game will put that to the test, well more like a pop quiz. The test will come in January and we'll fail it if we had to take it now. I think we'll have to play zone next Sunday, and I think Shields will get eaten alive.

[Iron Mike]

I'll be there. Watch for me on t.v. :)

[Pugger]

I wonder who will start at QB...

[Smeefers]

Huh, I thought shields was much better in zone than the other CB's we had on the team - as in almost as good as Tramon. I don't know, maybe you get that NFL channel where you get the coaches footage or something and have seen something I haven't seen. The way I always saw it was shields speed has been what makes him better in zone than in man. Last year he did get in quite a bit of trouble for jumping routes, but it's hard to base his overall performance on last year. If you were to do that, our entire secondary should be shit canned for the rookies. You can't make excuses for williams and woodson and then just throw everyone else to the flames.

I suppose I could get into the stats, but I don't want to. Instead I'll just say this. If you go back and look at our DB's tackling numbers from last year and then you look at them from 2010, you're going to see a pretty big jump. That's because the whole defense was out of wack. There was no pressure, LB's weren't doing a fantastic job of tackling so at times it would come to the DB's and the DB's were getting crushed because everyone's coverage had slipped. From looking at the SF game, I knew Bush was the same guy he's been for the last 6 years. Tough as nails, but just not very good on the field. Having learned that, I look at the Bears game and I'll tell you what, to me, shields looked like he was picking up where he left off from his rookie year. His stat line reads zeros and to me, that's actually a pretty good thing. I think the words "eaten alive" may be a bit to aggresive.

[RashanGary]

Hey Smeefers. . .

If you picture the plays shields makes, he's either trailing a WR (using his speed) or matched up one on one and jumps a route.

He doesn't settle in and make plays on the ball. He's usually lost.

[sharpe1027]

CBs trail wrs and jump routes in both man and zone. The difference is whether you hand off responsibility at a certain point.

[RashanGary]

CBs trail wrs and jump routes in both man and zone. The difference is whether you hand off responsibility at a certain point.

I hope I'm off on it. Would love if he grabbed that job by the balls and ran with it. The longer he holds up, the more time it gives House to get a full recovery (even if he does have to wear the precautionary brace.) House has said he thought he would have to change his game, like Wood and Twill did, but after all of his time off (something the other two didn't get) he didn't have to change anything on the practice field.

I'd still love to see him get more time, and if Shields has some stinkers in zone coverage 6 weeks down the road, House could get another chance, and maybe be an upgrade.

To Shields credit, every DB struggled with zone coverage all last year with that piss poor pass rush. Matthews struggled. No matter how great the player, the makeup of that team made everyone worse for it. I very well could be off a mile on this, and I hope to heck I am. If Capers said thats Shields best game as a Packers, my mouth is shut until he proves otherwise.

Guy is a playmaker as a man corner. If he can even be average in zone, he's still a differnce maker. I retract my posts. I don't have nearly enough dots to connect, and it looks like the ones I am connecting might not even be part of the picture.

[rbaloha1]

Appears SS swagger has returned with fearless tackling.

My bigger concern is Capers problems when facing rookie qbs.

Agree that Seattle's secondary length creates problems. A-rod has to be more precise.

[Fritz]

Appears SS swagger has returned with fearless tackling.

My bigger concern is Capers problems when facing rookie qbs.

Agree that Seattle's secondary length creates problems. A-rod has to be more precise.

I think Rodgers has been plenty precise. And in doing so, sometimes he puts the ball in places a defender cant....quite....reach - but that are barely reachable by his receivers. And so far, they've not done a good job of making those tough catches.

I think this season will be one of slow growth. The defense seemed to improve against the Bears, but the offense is slow to grow. But this week, the defense might appear to take a step back, and the offense might improve. Or, more likely, the defense will look a little shaky until they get a handle on Wilson's scrambling, and then settle in. The offense might look unfamiliar to us once more this week.


But too many fans shriveled up after the SF game - and I think the players and coaches responded to that with the Will Farrell Semi-Pro clip. They're not panicking inside Lambeau, nor should the fans. It's early. Remember the gnashing of teeth after the Washington and Miami losses two years ago? I was one of them, but I'm trying to learn that the season is long, and it's not whether you're the best team in the league at the beginning, it's whether you are at the end.

So shrivel not, my fellow Packer fans. Let's look for a "W" and some signs of progress, however small. Oh, and no major injuries.

[rbaloha1]

I think Rodgers has been plenty precise. And in doing so, sometimes he puts the ball in places a defender cant....quite....reach - but that are barely reachable by his receivers. And so far, they've not done a good job of making those tough catches.

I think this season will be one of slow growth. The defense seemed to improve against the Bears, but the offense is slow to grow. But this week, the defense might appear to take a step back, and the offense might improve. Or, more likely, the defense will look a little shaky until they get a handle on Wilson's scrambling, and then settle in. The offense might look unfamiliar to us once more this week.


But too many fans shriveled up after the SF game - and I think the players and coaches responded to that with the Will Farrell Semi-Pro clip. They're not panicking inside Lambeau, nor should the fans. It's early. Remember the gnashing of teeth after the Washington and Miami losses two years ago? I was one of them, but I'm trying to learn that the season is long, and it's not whether you're the best team in the league at the beginning, it's whether you are at the end.

So shrivel not, my fellow Packer fans. Let's look for a "W" and some signs of progress, however small. Oh, and no major injuries.

Is it precision or timing? IMO its probably more timing. Clearly the passing game is not where it should be.

[George Cumby]

Here's the box from the Dal SEA game:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=20120916026

Birds ran it down D's throat and picked up a couple of TO's. Passing advantage heavily to the 'Boys. ToP to the Birds.

If GB stops the run, I think we're good.

Caveat: I have seen none of the game so this is pure extrapolation from numbers.

[mission]

Here's the box from the Dal SEA game:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=20120916026

Birds ran it down D's throat and picked up a couple of TO's. Passing advantage heavily to the 'Boys. ToP to the Birds.

If GB stops the run, I think we're good.

Caveat: I have seen none of the game so this is pure extrapolation from numbers.

Watched most of it, I'd say that's pretty true. Lynch looked really tough and constantly put them in good down/distance situations.

[denverYooper]

Here's the box from the Dal SEA game:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=20120916026

Birds ran it down D's throat and picked up a couple of TO's. Passing advantage heavily to the 'Boys. ToP to the Birds.

If GB stops the run, I think we're good.

Caveat: I have seen none of the game so this is pure extrapolation from numbers.

I don't think many people outside of the Pacific NW ever see many Seahawks games.

[gbgary]

they're ball-hawks. they'll hold you up and strip it. turnovers! lynch! a win in seattle will be a quality win...hope we get it.

[Fritz]

So does Seattle's run-first mentality .ean more base defense? If so, do you make all the defensive linemen active this week?

[Packers4Glory]

Gotta play more base and make Wilson beat you. We can't let Lynch dictate the game by stuffing it down our throats giving the rook 3rd and short. on passing downs bring the heat and if you can't get home get your hands up.

Offensively I think we start to get it going in both phases more than we have so far. I expect an improved offense and 27+ points out of them this week. Actually feel like 31 or 34 is more like what we'll see.

[Pugger]

How good is their D line/pass rush? If Rodgers has time and our WRs don't have butterfingers can Wilson keep up? How good are they at stopping the run? Can Benson get going? If CedBen can run that will help big time too. Can Wilson escape CM3? I remember a guy named Vick who had problems with that...

[gbgary]

How good is their D line/pass rush? If Rodgers has time and our WRs don't have butterfingers can Wilson keep up? How good are they at stopping the run? Can Benson get going? If CedBen can run that will help big time too. Can Wilson escape CM3? I remember a guy named Vick who had problems with that...

i don't think they sacked romo at all...and the cowboys' line is average to poor.

[Guiness]

They got one sack against Dallas, and is was their 2nd string DE's who split it (one is a rookie). Doesn't seem like there's much there, but I didn't watch.

Russell Wilson has started both games this year, so we should be seeing him. He hasn't been impressive, but not playing badly either, I guess. He's thrown for about 150 yards in each game, and only had 20 attempts vs Dallas. Definitely mobile though, getting some yards on the ground. A look at the play by play makes it seem like he's scrambling on broken plays and getting a few yards instead of being sacked.

Ryan's booming away his punts, like always. Averaged 53.8 with a long of 68 against Dallas! I'll always wonder how his release came about.

[hoosier]

Ryan's booming away his punts, like always. Averaged 53.8 with a long of 68 against Dallas! I'll always wonder how his release came about.

I think I remember a JSO rumor that Ryan wanted to consult with an external kicking specialist during offseason and Mike Stock nixed the idea. The relation between Ryan and the administration went south from there. If that is true, then even the terrible decision to cut Ryan can be linked (indirectly) to Slocum.

[Guiness]

I think I remember a JSO rumor that Ryan wanted to consult with an external kicking specialist during offseason and Mike Stock nixed the idea. The relation between Ryan and the administration went south from there. If that is true, then even the terrible decision to cut Ryan can be linked (indirectly) to Slocum.

I was pretty sure Slocum had something to do with it. I think it was mentioned that he (or Stock?) like Frost and when he was cut, couldn't get rid of Ryan quickly enough.

As far as the outside specialist, if that's true, nothing like shitting on a guy who's looking for ways to improve himself, eh?

[Cheesehead Craig]

If the defense and pass rush that played against Chicago last week can show up for this game, the Pack should come away with the W. Wilson is a mobile QB but he's no Vick or Newton.

[ThunderDan]

If the defense and pass rush that played against Chicago last week can show up for this game, the Pack should come away with the W. Wilson is a mobile QB but he's no Vick or Newton.

If Mattews can catch Vick he can catch Wilson.

[Joemailman]

Opposing teams are not going to allow Matthews to average 3 sacks per game for the entire season. The question is whether the Packers have an answer when they start to double-team Matthews. Last year the Packers did not, but I think they have more options this year.

[George Cumby]

I'll be there. Watch for me on t.v. :)

You're the 5'9" blonde with big knockers, right?

[Fritz]

Mike Stock makes Shawn Slocum look like a frickin' genius. Hell, he makes Kurt Schottenheimer look like the second coming of Lombardi.

[Upnorth]

I think Seattle is one of the underrated teams this year. They handled the cowgirls quite easily, or so it looked to me. They have some pass rush, but a good to very good secondary. They press wr's and make them make little mistakes, which with the hands our guys have could mean a lot.Wouldn't suprise me if we hear a lot of Cobb in the first half and then more Nelson when the coverage changes. The way Lynch was running made the seattle passing game a lot better. Dallas had trouble containg the qb while accounting for lynch from what I saw. If we score first and can go into pass defense mode we win this easy. If they can still use the run I am a bit worried about the out come of this game.

[pbmax]

Stock wanted a kicker who could punt directionally. As Ryan sometimes thought with his biceps, that wasn't happening.

Still miss him though. Loved his tackling and fake punts. Before there was Frankenbacker, there was RoboPunter.

[Guiness]

Stock wanted a kicker who could punt directionally. As Ryan sometimes thought with his biceps, that wasn't happening.

Still miss him though. Loved his tackling and fake punts. Before there was Frankenbacker, there was RoboPunter.

Did you like this fake punt?

On September 30, 2007 against the Minnesota Vikings he became the first Packers punter to rush for a first down since David Beverly did so against the Houston Oilers on December 14, 1980.[5] His rush attempt that resulted in a gain of 7 yards came on a fake punt that was originally intended to be a pass, however, he did not hear the coaches call it off at the last minute.[6] He ran with the ball when he realized he had no one to throw to and ran into several of his blockers in the process because they did not know he was running with the ball.

It was hilarious. Anyone got a link to it?

[LegandofthePack15]

With the unit struggling and teams playing 2 deep all day, Packer O needs to get back to the basics of the West Coast. Short, quick, efficient passing game.

[gbgary]

I think Seattle is one of the underrated teams this year.

they've 8 of their last 10.

[hoosier]

Ryan getting cut from the Packers was a completely different era, at least as far as my perception of McCarthy and his ability to put together a competent coaching staff. When he got cut--after all the Packers struggles to find a decent punter--and then showed up in Seattle as a more than decent punter, my faith in McCarthy hit rock bottom. (It wasn't the loss to Tampa that caused me to question his ability as a HC, it was the problems with coaching staff and player development.) Somehow, in the last three years, he seems to have completely turned that around.

[rbaloha1]

Opposing teams are not going to allow Matthews to average 3 sacks per game for the entire season. The question is whether the Packers have an answer when they start to double-team Matthews. Last year the Packers did not, but I think they have more options this year.

True. Others need to step-up.

[mission]

With the unit struggling and teams playing 2 deep all day, Packer O needs to get back to the basics of the West Coast. Short, quick, efficient passing game.

That's really it. Stop with the drive killing penalties and sacks. Packers have moved the ball pretty well but so many drives have stalled early.

[Pugger]

Penalties, lousy blocking and dropped passes have killed more drives than anything the Niners or Chicago have done.

[Upnorth]

they've 8 of their last 10.

And before the Dal game it was 7 of 9, yet they were under most peoples radar from what I have read, and fell even lower when Wilson had a rough game in week 1. Just saying that this will probably be a closer game than most people think and we will have to fight hard to win. We have a bad rush d so far and we are facing Lynch.

[mmmdk]

Just saying that this will probably be a closer game than most people think and we will have to fight hard to win. We have a bad rush d so far and we are facing Lynch.

Packers will face reality this season and hopefully they'll have grown enough to play Champ ball in dec, jan & feb! I see a loss in Seattle & Tom Hanks ain't gonna call!

[denverYooper]

Packers will face reality this season and hopefully they'll have grown enough to play Champ ball in dec, jan & feb! I see a loss in Seattle & Tom Hanks ain't gonna call!

It's looking more like a loss to Seattle and a win vs NO is more realistic than the reverse. It's funny how these things happen every year.

[mmmdk]

It's looking more like a loss to Seattle and a win vs NO is more realistic than the reverse. It's funny how these things happen every year.

That's how I'd bet too. :tup:

[Freak Out]

If Jennings is healthy the Pack wins big. Dom and the defense bring the young Padawan back to earth.

[Upnorth]

It's looking more like a loss to Seattle and a win vs NO is more realistic than the reverse. It's funny how these things happen every year.

I think our pass d will confuse wilson enough that we win, we just won't walk away with it.
Also NO will come on strong, they aren't out of it yet.

[3irty1]

I predict a shutout. Russel Wilson is going to have a long day with Breno Giacomini blocking for him against our guys. Going to be a sack-fest.

[RashanGary]

On defense, stack the box. Play Williams and Shields alone outside, with Burnett roaming the deep middle.

Attack Wilson with pressure. If we have 8 in the box, he's going to have a hard time running too far, and it just takes one big play for them to get in poor down and distance. I like a pressure defense more than a sit back and wait defense. We have the front 7 to do it now, and I don't think Wilson will be able to capitalize down field if he's off balance. He's just young, that's all.

On offense, I think I'd like to see a different type of team this year. Benson gives us some balance. Green might have something to say, and Starks is on his way back. Most games, it doesn't matter much. We can slice up most teams. But we need to commit, as a team, to running. Repetition. When you play great defenses, you have to be able to do both or they will destroy you.

I'd also like to see us slowly work in some zone defense, to the point where we can play both. This isn't 2010. We don't have a great safety to allow us to play 8 in the box most of the time (even though this week, I think we can because of the rookie QB). Just like on offense I'd like to see some balance on defense. Zone/Man is like Run/Pass. It makes you unpredictable. I have questions about the instinctiveness of a couple of our regular secondary players. I'll be curious to see the season shake out. We had a shakeup last week. I could see another shakeup by seasons end. House on the outside, and Hayward inside give us the ability to play both man and zone. I wonder if it will end up working out that way.

[MadtownPacker]

I agree with those saying the Pack is gonna make Wilson look like shit. I saw most of DAL@SEA and he doesnt seem to throw much over the middle. Seemed like he made lots of his completions while rolling out. Very accurate on those.

As for their hyped defense, Romo was firing at will and hitting his guys when he threw it right so ARod should have a chance to get his groove back. Their big DBs aren't a good match for the Packers shifty, play making WRs IMO. This will be the feel good koolaid refill game we all need.

[Fritz]

I agree with those saying the Pack is gonna make Wilson look like shit. I saw most of DAL@SEA and he doesnt seem to throw much over the middle. Seemed like he made lots of his completions while rolling out. Very accurate on those.

As for their hyped defense, Romo was firing at will and hitting his guys when he threw it right so ARod should have a chance to get his groove back. Their big DBs aren't a good match for the Packers shifty, play making WRs IMO. This will be the feel good koolaid refill game we all need.

I like what Jerel Worthy said - clog the lanes so Wilson can't find a seam to sneak through when he's in the pocket, and as JH said, load the box so Lynch can't run, either. Make Wilson beat you by standing in the pocket and throwing.

On offense, it looks like the Packers are going to see two-deep, sit-back defenses until the offense proves it can run the ball or at least be patient and take the very short passes.

[Pugger]

I like what Jerel Worthy said - clog the lanes so Wilson can't find a seam to sneak through when he's in the pocket, and as JH said, load the box so Lynch can't run, either. Make Wilson beat you by standing in the pocket and throwing.

On offense, it looks like the Packers are going to see two-deep, sit-back defenses until the offense proves it can run the ball or at least be patient and take the very short passes.

Worthy has played against Wilson in the past.

[mmmdk]

Okay, I changed my pick to Packers beating Seahawks based on Mads post! You'd better deliver! :lol: Besides, Packers have been resting & should fire out of the gate.

:pack:

[smuggler]

Ryan's booming away his punts, like always. Averaged 53.8 with a long of 68 against Dallas! I'll always wonder how his release came about.

He was only an average punter with us and shit the bed so badly against Chicago in one game (1 blocked punt, 1 fumbled snap recovered by the Bears, 1 punt for like 11 yards in like 4 or 5 attempts) that TT decided to just go find someone else. If he'd stunk it up anymore, he would have been cut at halftime.

[rbaloha1]

Tough game to decipher.

At the end of the day, expect the Packers to control the miniature Wilson by limiting big plays. On offense the Packers may be able to get some big plays due to the gambling nature of the Seahawk secondary as per Leroy Butler.

Packers pull away at the end.

[LegandofthePack15]

He was only an average punter with us and shit the bed so badly against Chicago in one game (1 blocked punt, 1 fumbled snap recovered by the Bears, 1 punt for like 11 yards in like 4 or 5 attempts) that TT decided to just go find someone else. If he'd stunk it up anymore, he would have been cut at halftime.

Ryan had one bad game but he was far from average. Was pretty good. Great if you compare him to Frost and that other guy that succeeded Frost (forgot his name).

[Guiness]

He was only an average punter with us and shit the bed so badly against Chicago in one game (1 blocked punt, 1 fumbled snap recovered by the Bears, 1 punt for like 11 yards in like 4 or 5 attempts) that TT decided to just go find someone else. If he'd stunk it up anymore, he would have been cut at halftime.

Something went horribly wrong in that game, there had to be some extenuating circumstances. There was somebody in his kitchen rattling around the pots and pans!

How did he do his last season in GB?

During the 2007 season, Ryan posted a net average of 37.6 yards, 12th in the NFL and the finest in Green Bay since 1969
He had an incredible leg, was coachable (actually wanted to go looking for extra help), tough as nails (not a normal punter characteristic) and on top of it all, is Canadian!!! :D

Getting rid of him was a mistake, and short term, it cost us.

[Smidgeon]

Ryan had one bad game but he was far from average. Was pretty good. Great if you compare him to Frost and that other guy that succeeded Frost (forgot his name).

Agreed. But I personally prefer Masthay's ability to pin within the 20 and to kick consistently over Ryan's ability to outkick coverage. There were some ugly years in between, but in the end, I'm a fan of Masthay.

[smuggler]

Also, Masthay is particularly fast for a punter, so there's that. (4.66 s 40 yd dash)

[Guiness]

I'm certainly not complaining about what we've got now - we struck some gold having Mathsay here at the same time as the Australian guy, who taught him the end-over-end kick he uses so effectively.

But A is unrelated to B - as LoP pointed out, it was a rocky road in between, it's not like Ryan was let go to bring Masthay in. There was Frost, who was so bad he got cut during the season. Where did he go from GB? The California Redwoods. Who released him before he played a game. After that was Jeremy Kampinos, who I don't remember as being so bad, but there was a 2 season gap between Ryan and Mathsay.

[LegandofthePack15]

I'm certainly not complaining about what we've got now - we struck some gold having Mathsay here at the same time as the Australian guy, who taught him the end-over-end kick he uses so effectively.

But A is unrelated to B - as LoP pointed out, it was a rocky road in between, it's not like Ryan was let go to bring Masthay in. There was Frost, who was so bad he got cut during the season. Where did he go from GB? The California Redwoods. Who released him before he played a game. After that was Jeremy Kampinos, who I don't remember as being so bad, but there was a 2 season gap between Ryan and Mathsay.

Well said.

[wist43]

Seattle plays pretty good D, especially in the back end... I'd expect they'll keep safeties over the top the entire game - Rodgers will have to be patient.

On defense?? No telling what you get with Capers - but Seattle isn't explosive, and will certainly pound Lynch at us for four quarters. Capers needs to play a 3-4 base, if he comes out in his 2-4 nickel it will be long day.

[CaptainKickass]

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I think this belongs.....

right about......


here:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzpowxGfVFE&feature=plcp

[MadScientist]

Keys for the Packers:
1) Don't fumble kickoffs.
2) Don't let them block a punt.
3) Stuff Lynch.
4) Do something on offense to beat the 2 deep safety look.

Wilson is a rookie. Force him to win the game and see how he handles it.

[Bossman641]

I predict a shutout. Russel Wilson is going to have a long day with Breno Giacomini blocking for him against our guys. Going to be a sack-fest.

Isn't Okung either out, or hurting, as well? Omiyale at LT and Breno at RT? You know the defense will be smelling blood. The key will be for the offense to handle the crowd noise, get a lead, and take Lynch out of the game.

[Fritz]

This week should be giving Dom a boner. He talks and talks about how important it is to stop the run - in a passing league. - and now he's finally facing a running team.

[smuggler]

Okung has a knee bruise, and will be a game-time decision. My guess is that he will play. He's a solid tackle, but he's better in the run game. We kind of lucked out getting Bulaga instead, I think. Both guys have been hurt, though, so we'll see who ends up having the better career.

[Smeefers]

I just read on ESPN that GJ might be out for the monday nighter. Nothing specific, Siefert just quoted an Sirus XM interview with McCarthy saying:

"I know he's frustrated and doesn't feel like he has a handle on it yet."

I want my Greg Jennings back

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/46557/setback-for-packers-greg-jennings

[Brandon494]

I hope they sit him, its a long season.

[pbmax]

If this keeps up, Jennings price might drop and the Packers might discover they need him. Negotiation through injury and a stalled passing game.

[Smeefers]

Well, yes, I don't want Jennings back in the game before he's ready. I just want him ready noooowwwww.

[Fritz]

Well, yes, I don't want Jennings back in the game before he's ready. I just want him ready noooowwwww.

Cobb's a little banged up, too. Maybe this is the time for Finley and Jones and Nelson to shine, and maybe Cedric Benson even more.

Any word on Starks?

I have a friend who has a huge boner for Saine. Thinks he should be the starter. Is he healthy and only playing special teams? The friend claims Saine is crazy fast, protects well, catches screens well, can break tackles, and so on.

Me, I think Alex Green is the Next Big Thing.

[LegandofthePack15]

The friend claims Saine is crazy fast, protects well, catches screens well, can break tackles, and so on.



On Madden, Saine is everything your friend described except the break tackles part.

[Brandon494]

On Madden, Saine is everything your friend described except the break tackles part.

LMAO yea I always sub him in for screen plays.

[mmmdk]

Ah, look honey, the kids are having fun! :-D

[mission]

Well, yes, I don't want Jennings back in the game before he's ready. I just want him ready noooowwwww.

I do. Suck it up, Jennings.

Seven -- SEVEN -- straight games that Jennings has either not started or not finished.

Crazy IMO.

[gbgary]

Ah, look honey, the kids are having fun! :-D

LOL


repped!

[George Cumby]

I do. Suck it up, Jennings.

Seven -- SEVEN -- straight games that Jennings has either not started or not finished.

Crazy IMO.

I did not know that.

Not a good sign for a block-buster deal........