Positives

[HarveyWallbangers]

The defense looks like it might be better than average. Special teams is good. Just need the offense to get going, and this team could be pretty damn good. Remember, we only went 10-6 when we won our last Super Bowl. You could see something similar this year. The schedule looks set up for a late season run (e.g. getting hot at playoff time).

[pbmax]

I agree.

[RashanGary]

I agree too. We have to get going a little here though. Can't get in too deep of a hole.

[King Friday]

Yeah...better to be hot in January than right now, and our division is certainly very winnable.

Stubby needs to pull his head out of his ass. His offensive game plans are laughable right now. I think we'll get things fixed. Benson is a threat for this team if we use him properly. The defense is playing very well. Lots of positives outside of the outcome in this one.

[HarveyWallbangers]

To be fair, McCarthy and Rodgers both need to get their heads out of their asses. McCarthy should have been quicker to turn to the running game and the short passing game. Rodgers got back into holding the ball too long again. I have faith in them though. They've shown this pattern before, but they've shown they can turn it around.

[mraynrand]

To be fair, McCarthy and Rodgers both need to get their heads out of their ass, but I have faith in them. They've shown this pattern before, but they've shown they can turn it around.

They did Harv, just a little late in this game. Seahawk defense is pretty good

[Bretsky]

Defense looks very good so upside to end well is good

Our awesome four best WR's look like horseshit though. Are we unable to get open anymore ? Man, last year we thought nobody could cover our top four and our TE and this year defenses are getting coverage sacks. I don't know what the hell is going on there

[Bretsky]

I'd like to see how the defense looks next week before praising them too much

I'm not sure we've faced on offense that scares anybody yet

[HarveyWallbangers]

Defense looks very good so upside to end well is good

Our awesome four best WR's look like horseshit though. Are we unable to get open anymore ? Man, last year we thought nobody could cover our top four and our TE and this year defenses are getting coverage sacks. I don't know what the hell is going on there

To be fair, every time I see a replay of our receivers, a DB is clutching them, holding them, or knocking their asses to the ground. Nelson, especially, is getting mugged. I saw him get completely knocked down on a few times tonight, and we are only seeing a replay of a small percentage of pass plays.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'd like to see how the defense looks next week before praising them too much

I'm not sure we've faced on offense that scares anybody yet

Believe. They won't be great every week, but I think they are good enough to dominate bad offenses and hang with good offenses--which is a ton better than last year. The Saints (despite being 0-3) will be a great test--as will Houston. After that, there aren't many offenses on the schedule that scare me.

[denverYooper]

They did Harv, just a little late in this game. Seahawk defense is pretty good

Agree. They've had entire games of getting stuck in the past. They actually made an in-game adjustment and controlled the 2nd half.

[Freak Out]

To be fair, every time I see a replay of our receivers, a DB is clutching them, holding them, or knocking their asses to the ground. Nelson, especially, is getting mugged. I saw him get completely knocked down on a few times tonight, and we are only seeing a replay of a small percentage of pass plays.

This. It's like the officials turned the clock back 30 years.,,,,or are blind....most likely both. Some players/coaches know they can get away with shit and will try until someone says otherwise. The play where Jennings was knocked flying....WTF?

[pittstang5]

Positives?

I started drinking again. Oh wait...

[denverYooper]

Looks like my Sundays are free for a while.

[Freak Out]

The Packers are smart and the staff will build off this. The players will use it as motivation. Super Bowl bound. Take it to the bank.

[wist43]

I don't see any positives out of this loss - bad teams that are looking for signs of improvement say "look at the positives" when they lose.

The bottom line is - this team is not what we thought they could be. Even I, the eternal pessimist, thought they'd be improved over last year, but I think it's obvious this team has regressed badly.

Other teams around the league have solved our offense, and McCarthy hasn't shown he has the first clue how to respond. Running the ball would be the obvious response to what defenses are doing against our passing game - but we have a poor OL, and employ a laughable run blocking scheme that can be stopped without any help from the secondary. Teams will continue to just sit back and force Rodgers to be patient. Wait for the OL to breakdown, get a sack, and that's pretty much all she wrote for that drive.

Defensively we have Dom Capers as our Def. Coord. Nuff said there - he needs to go. As I've said, I think we have more talent on the defensive side of the ball than last year - but with Capers calling the shots you could have the 11 best defensive players in the league on his defense and he'll find a way to fuck it up. What's next?? Put Raji out at corner?? The offense will never see that coming, lol...

Given the tough schedule, I think you can already pencil in losses at Houston, Arizona, and the Giants - those are all tough, physical teams that I give us little chance of being competetive against. Houston will just destroy us.

Figure probable splits with Minnesota and Detroit - that's 7 losses right there. Who knows, maybe we can't even beat StL??

This team is going to struggle all year... they're simply not a tough team. They're a finesse team that needs to play from the lead - every team we play now will simply stand right in front of us and punch us in the mouth - not much we can do about it.

[Fritz]

I don't see any positives out of this loss - bad teams that are looking for signs of improvement say "look at the positives" when they lose.

The bottom line is - this team is not what we thought they could be. Even I, the eternal pessimist, thought they'd be improved over last year, but I think it's obvious this team has regressed badly.

Other teams around the league have solved our offense, and McCarthy hasn't shown he has the first clue how to respond. Running the ball would be the obvious response to what defenses are doing against our passing game - but we have a poor OL, and employ a laughable run blocking scheme that can be stopped without any help from the secondary. Teams will continue to just sit back and force Rodgers to be patient. Wait for the OL to breakdown, get a sack, and that's pretty much all she wrote for that drive.

Defensively we have Dom Capers as our Def. Coord. Nuff said there - he needs to go. As I've said, I think we have more talent on the defensive side of the ball than last year - but with Capers calling the shots you could have the 11 best defensive players in the league on his defense and he'll find a way to fuck it up. What's next?? Put Raji out at corner?? The offense will never see that coming, lol...

Given the tough schedule, I think you can already pencil in losses at Houston, Arizona, and the Giants - those are all tough, physical teams that I give us little chance of being competetive against. Houston will just destroy us.

Figure probable splits with Minnesota and Detroit - that's 7 losses right there. Who knows, maybe we can't even beat StL??

This team is going to struggle all year... they're simply not a tough team. They're a finesse team that needs to play from the lead - every team we play now will simply stand right in front of us and punch us in the mouth - not much we can do about it.

Well, Wist, you are true to form here. The defense held the Seahawks, playing at home, to one touchdown. Then there was the gift from the refs. And I base that not just on one bad call at the end, but at the call against Shields as Sidney Rice was mugging him. That call got Seattle down close and put the Packer offense in a deep hole - deeper than a porn star's.

The young players on defense look promising. Worthy, Perry, Hayward, at least.

Look, it's a long season. The offense is certainly lost right now. Stubby sometimes lets the play calling get away from him - in certain games he gets in a rut of pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, run, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, and so on. But he did adjust at halftime.

And Aaron Rodgers seems to be falling back into some bad habits; namely, holding the ball too long.

But these are fixable problems. This is a game from which to learn.

Look, the special teams is playing well, outside of Cobb's fumbleitis, which is a concern.

The defense is better than last year's unit.

It's a long season. This is a game that a team can learn from. This is a game that can bring a team together.

I wouldn't stop watching the Packers just yet. Nor would I write them off.

[3irty1]

They played the best half of the year after playing the worst half of the year. The first half is all on McCarthy for me. One of the few instances where every fan knew what should be done and the adjustment wasn't made until halftime. Embarassing.

[George Cumby]

They played the best half of the year after playing the worst half of the year. The first half is all on McCarthy for me. One of the few instances where every fan knew what should be done and the adjustment wasn't made until halftime. Embarassing.

Excruciating, wasn't it?

I was begging for him to pound the rock and as soon as they started doing so in the second half, different ball game.

[Joemailman]

For 2 games in a row, the defense played great. Shields is playing great, and the pass rush is light years ahead of last year.

On offense, MM, Clements and Rodgers now surely realize that what worked so spectacularly last year isn't working this year. Packers need to play short ball until they can force teams out of their deep coverage schemes. I think it'll happen.

[pbmax]

I did not see the first half at all. What was so obvious that should have been done? Was it run the ball because Rodgers was getting killed or something more specific?

Because in the 2nd half, Rodgers did not seem to be getting nearly as much pressure when he had to throw.

[Joemailman]

They weren't running the ball, and were calling slow-developing pass plays apparently designed to go downfield. Probably at least half the sacks could be classified as coverage sacks. In the 2nd half, they were running the ball, and Rodgers was getting rid of the ball quicker.

[Patler]

I did not see the first half at all. What was so obvious that should have been done? Was it run the ball because Rodgers was getting killed or something more specific?

Because in the 2nd half, Rodgers did not seem to be getting nearly as much pressure when he had to throw.

I think they called only four running plays in the first half, and on almost every passing play it appeared that Rodgers was looking to launch the ball 40 yards down field. He was getting killed back there, yet they called nothing that slowed down the pass rushers at all.

I think they called more play-action passes than actual runs.

[pbmax]

I think they called only four running plays in the first half, and on almost every passing play it appeared that Rodgers was looking to launch the ball 40 yards down field. He was getting killed back there, yet they called nothing that slowed down the pass rushers at all.

I think they called more play-action passes than actual runs.

Sometimes I think he forgets he used to coach for Marty Schottenheimer.

[Bossman641]

I did not see the first half at all. What was so obvious that should have been done? Was it run the ball because Rodgers was getting killed or something more specific?

Because in the 2nd half, Rodgers did not seem to be getting nearly as much pressure when he had to throw.

Benson had 2 carries at halftime I believe.

Offense would call slow developing plays and either get sacked or backed up by penalties. Facing bad down and distance, offense would call more deep pass plays and get sacked. Rinse and repeat.

[denverYooper]

Shouldn't we have called this thread "Pawsitives"?

[denverYooper]

Sometimes I think he forgets he used to coach for Marty Schottenheimer.

You should send some #AskAaron questions about their game plan/first half from the PR twitter. Sometimes Aaron will get into their thinking on certain things.

[Teamcheez1]

I'm hoping the offense is getting things together, although I am still not confident we are there yet. Very disappointing considering the potential we have. I know we have played some good defenses, but things have to vastly improve on offense to have a shot at the playoffs.

[Smidgeon]

To be fair, every time I see a replay of our receivers, a DB is clutching them, holding them, or knocking their asses to the ground. Nelson, especially, is getting mugged. I saw him get completely knocked down on a few times tonight, and we are only seeing a replay of a small percentage of pass plays.

It's already been said for a while that the replacement refs aren't calling the DB muggings. That's partially why the Packers offense isn't rolling. Don't know the rest. But it's something.

[mraynrand]

It's already been said for a while that the replacement refs aren't calling the DB muggings. That's partially why the Packers offense isn't rolling. Don't know the rest. But it's something.

They called the one on Shields!!*







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[wist43]

On offense, MM, Clements and Rodgers now surely realize that what worked so spectacularly last year isn't working this year. Packers need to play short ball until they can force teams out of their deep coverage schemes. I think it'll happen.

You have a lot more faith in those guys than I do then...

I didn't watch the game - followed along on the radio and the gametracker online, will sit down and watch the game throughout this week. That said, I knew last week what the initial game plan should have been, i.e. short passing game out of the gate and adjust from there. 8 sacks in the 1st half alone?? That's moronic.

The OL is pathetic, and McCarthy will keep doing the same old thing expecting different results - that adds up to a long season.

We get a reprieve next week when we face the hapless Saints defense - so, McCarthy will come out with his bombs away game plan and it will probably work; but when we have to go back to facing legit NFL calibur defenses, it will be more of what we've been seeing.

I have no faith in this coaching staff, on either side of the ball to make the necessary adjustments. McCarthy is a good coach, but he has an MO, and adjusting on the fly is not something he is known for. To be sure he will abandon the run at the drop of a hat, but tweaking what he attempting to do in the passing game?? He'll allow 8 sacks in the first half before admitting, "hey, I guess this isn't working".

[mraynrand]

Leave it to Wist to be negative in the positive thread.

[channtheman]

Ya know, in the weirdest, most fucked up way possible. I actually feel really good about this team right now. We'll see what happens in the coming weeks. We've got a fairly easy schedule.

[mmmdk]

Ya know, in the weirdest, most fucked up way possible. I actually feel really good about this team right now. We'll see what happens in the coming weeks. We've got a fairly easy schedule.

Easy schedule? Predict the Packers record then...we're 1-2! The MNF fuckup is one thing, add Stubbyness, pussy receivers & a [TT] OL that couldn't protect a giant cave troll from LOTR.

[ThunderDan]

Easy schedule? Predict the Packers record then...we're 1-2! The MNF fuckup is one thing, add Stubbyness, pussy receivers & a [TT] OL that couldn't protect a giant cave troll from LOTR.

I would use my mighty claymore on the troll.

[channtheman]

Easy schedule? Predict the Packers record then...we're 1-2! The MNF fuckup is one thing, add Stubbyness, pussy receivers & a [TT] OL that couldn't protect a giant cave troll from LOTR.

Admittedly, I had not looked at the whole schedule, but they showed the Packers next 6 games last night and 4 of those are against the Saints, Colts, Jags, and Rams. Then we can be competitive with Houston and Arizona. I can see us winning 5 of next 6.

[mmmdk]

I would use my mighty claymore on the troll.

Thank you McDan! :lol:

[Tony Oday]

Ced Ben is for real. He can run hard and we need to feed him the rock 8-10 time a half.

[mmmdk]

Admittedly, I had not looked at the whole schedule, but they showed the Packers next 6 games last night and 4 of those are against the Saints, Colts, Jags, and Rams. Then we can be competitive with Houston and Arizona. I can see us winning 5 of next 6.

You the man, channtheman! So we're 7-3 after 10 weeks of play! Then we play the rest of the NFC North; are U telling me we can't beat them? WTF!? :lol:

[Pugger]

Defense looks very good so upside to end well is good

Our awesome four best WR's look like horseshit though. Are we unable to get open anymore ? Man, last year we thought nobody could cover our top four and our TE and this year defenses are getting coverage sacks. I don't know what the hell is going on there

Its hard to get open when defenders are clutching, grabbing and knocking WRs on their keister past 5 yards.

[gbgary]

tied for the NFL lead in sacks, with ari, with 26. big difference from last year.

[channtheman]

Admittedly, I had not looked at the whole schedule, but they showed the Packers next 6 games last night and 4 of those are against the Saints, Colts, Jags, and Rams. Then we can be competitive with Houston and Arizona. I can see us winning 5 of next 6.

We beat the Saints, Jags, Rams, and Texans. 4-1 last 5 games. Should take care of Arizona this week. 1 more win to a correct prediction!

[rbaloha1]

Improved secondary play is also contributing to sacks.