Packers v Cardinals Discussion Thread [Archive]

pbmax

10-30-2012, 10:20 PM

Daryn Colledge returns to the scene of the flat footed whiff!

Feel free to bump all the threads I defended him in. Not even Russ Grimm has been able to make that mess work, although, to be fair, there are even worse O lineman on Ariz. than Colledge.

Joemailman

10-31-2012, 06:30 AM

Packers need to make sure Fitz doesn't do to them what Reggie Wayne did. Fitz is the one guy on that offense who can beat you.

Tony Oday

10-31-2012, 07:08 AM

The Pack couldn't stop the Elite Cecil Shorts...ugh Gots will go for 150 and a TD and Howling will go for 124 and 2 TDs Pack lose in a laugher.

RashanGary

10-31-2012, 08:13 AM

I'm really hoping they take a step in the right direction with the run game. I'm probably the biggest Starks detractor in the state, but somehow, when push is coming to shove here, I can picture him running forward. Damn it, I never thought I'd say that.

I'd like to see Green get some of the workload taken off in week 9, then get the bye week to really get his legs under him.

RashanGary

10-31-2012, 08:14 AM

Arizona is tied for #1 in the league in sacks. This isn't the game to go out there and let teams headhunt.

Pugger

10-31-2012, 08:20 AM

Fitz is wonderful but the poor guy doesn't have anybody who can throw to him. AZ's O line is worse than ours so if we can't get to their QB I'll be very disappointed.

denverYooper

10-31-2012, 09:18 AM

The Pack couldn't stop the Elite Cecil Shorts...ugh Gots will go for 150 and a TD and Howling will go for 124 and 2 TDs Pack lose in a laugher.

Cecil Shorts is not a big name receiver, but he's not a nobody either. Blackmon was drafted high for a reason. It's hard on a secondary when they lose players like Shields and Woodson. Jacksonville's line is quite a bit better than AZ's, too.

Smidgeon

10-31-2012, 10:49 AM

Arizona is tied for #1 in the league in sacks with Green Bay. This isn't the game to go out there and let teams headhunt.

Fixed.

Arizona is also giving up the most sacks in the league. Second most is Green Bay. Should be an interesting game in that regard.

pbmax

10-31-2012, 11:00 AM

The Pack couldn't stop the Elite Cecil Shorts...ugh Gots will go for 150 and a TD and Howling will go for 124 and 2 TDs Pack lose in a laugher.

Is Gots actually Fitz but typed with your hands one key too far to the right? :lol:

Freak Out

10-31-2012, 11:47 AM

LOL!

This is another one of those games that scare me a bit...just like J-Ville did. I don't care who is on the other side of the ball it's going to be to close for comfort in the end. :)

denverYooper

10-31-2012, 11:55 AM

LOL!

This is another one of those games that scare me a bit...just like J-Ville did. I don't care who is on the other side of the ball it's going to be to close for comfort in the end. :)

Arizona, like the rest of the NFC West currently, is another fierce defense. Being the last of their ilk and being right before the bye, I have a feeling that the Packers will put down a stomping. Rodgers will be pissed about his fumbles and relative frustration last week and will come out sharp and with every intention of getting the ball out fast to blunt the Arizona pass rush.

But I won't be surprised if they make it hard, either. There is always the chance they could frustrate and stifle the offense, especially if the Packers sit a lot of starters again. SF is the first team to score 20+ on the Cards. And there is always a chance Peterson kills them on ST, though GB's coverage units have been a pleasant surprise.

pbmax

10-31-2012, 12:26 PM

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod
#Packers not practicing: Jordy Nelson, John Kuhn, Sam Shields, Nick Perry, Greg Jennings, Mike Neal, Jerel Worthy, Charles Woodson

Tony Oday

10-31-2012, 12:36 PM

Is Gots actually Fitz but typed with your hands one key too far to the right? :lol:

Dang phone Autocorrect!

pbmax

10-31-2012, 12:43 PM

PackerReport Twitter
Ken Whisenhunt called Daryn Colledge his team's "most consistent lineman" and a leader of his OL group.

LegandofthePack15

10-31-2012, 01:17 PM

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod
#Packers not practicing: Jordy Nelson, John Kuhn, Sam Shields, Nick Perry, Greg Jennings, Mike Neal, Jerel Worthy, Charles Woodson

I hope the Packers DON'T sit Nelson this week is just b/c the bye is looming on the horizon. The offense was very average last week without Nelson.

denverYooper

10-31-2012, 01:30 PM

I hope the Packers DON'T sit Nelson this week is just b/c the bye is looming on the horizon. The offense was very average last week without Nelson.

Agreed. They were hurting without him.

The Packers are usually one of the more conservative teams wrt injuries though.

LegandofthePack15

10-31-2012, 01:34 PM

Agreed. They were hurting without him.

The Packers are usually one of the more conservative teams wrt injuries though.

I think McCarthy said after the Jax game that Nelson was very close to being cleared. Hopefully there's no setback and he plays this week. Need Nelson for the FF team, too. :-D

denverYooper

10-31-2012, 01:37 PM

Kuhn is "feeling better". He's going to continue rehab tomorrow and test Friday.

They could use him. Williams wasn't too bad in pro on Sunday but he still is not as good as Kuhn. They could really use the vet against that Cards rush.

pbmax

10-31-2012, 01:45 PM

Nelson is not ready yet. He will not practice tomorrow either. So it would be the practice Friday, see how he is on Saturday deal. Means they aren't convinced he is ready.

Guiness

10-31-2012, 01:51 PM

Fixed.

Arizona is also giving up the most sacks in the league. Second most is Green Bay. Should be an interesting game in that regard.

Holy, that's quite a little piece of info! The turf monster should be out and about for this game!

Guiness

10-31-2012, 02:36 PM

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod
#Packers not practicing: Jordy Nelson, John Kuhn, Sam Shields, Nick Perry, Greg Jennings, Mike Neal, Jerel Worthy, Charles Woodson

Quite a depressing list.

Do we have any more info on Shields other than 'lower body injury'. I really didn't think he'd be out for a couple of weeks.

See the tripping penalty vs Jax last w/e? Nasty, could've had another injury like Shield's from that.

Freak Out

10-31-2012, 05:17 PM

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/SCREAMING-PACKERFAN.gif

ThunderDan

10-31-2012, 08:04 PM

I will be at the game so the Packers are going to win. Haven't seen a regular season loss since the NE stomp down in 2006.

pittstang5

10-31-2012, 09:22 PM

This year, this team, who the hell knows how this game is gonna go. Clearly, on paper, even with the injuries, the Packers should be favored - just like they were favored last week.

One thing is for sure, I'm not expecting a win. Cardinals are on a 4 game losing streak and Packers are on a three game winning streak. I hate playing teams that just lost - I hate it even more playing a team that's on a major losing streak. Not liking this one at all. Too many issues right now with the Packers: They can't run the ball, defensive secondary is like a sieve right now, too many injuries to "quality" starters, the o-line only plays when they want to, Rogers STILL holds onto the ball too long sometimes, pass rush seems to have fizzled out (See injuries), Receivers continue to drop easy catches, our Big-time Kicker is now having trouble with 32 yard FGs. All this shows a recipe for a loss against a team that is desperate for a win. Sorry guys - Packers are not winning this week.

rbaloha1

10-31-2012, 09:51 PM

The front seven is tough. Expect the front to stuff the run game and hit Rodgers continually.

On the other hand Peterson is overly aggressive and will give up big plays.

The offense is pathetic even with Colledge.

packrulz

11-01-2012, 05:19 AM

M3 said our running game is unacceptable, he is trying new blocking schemes to help: http://jerseyal.com/GBP/2012/10/30/packers-film-study-expanding-the-running-game/

denverYooper

11-01-2012, 07:39 AM

M3 said our running game is unacceptable, he is trying new blocking schemes to help: http://jerseyal.com/GBP/2012/10/30/packers-film-study-expanding-the-running-game/

M3 has been watching Harbaugh. The 9ers do a lot of that kind of stuff.

pbmax

11-01-2012, 08:57 AM

They added the pulling earlier this year and at the time I thought it was for Benson, but later info points to Saturday. They have pulled before and it was usually to alleviate the Center from having to reach block a goof NT/DT. You saw this versus the Vikings and Pat Williams to help Wells. Saturday is having more trouble with reach blocks so this makes sense.

M3 flat out stated they had added some runs specifically for Green, and this might be one of them. But I mainly think this is a response to Kuhn being unavailable.

Fritz

11-01-2012, 12:42 PM

What is most disappointing to me is hearing about these teams with weak offensive lines, and finding that the Packers seem to have a hard time generating consistent pressure.

I want a nasty pass rush!

Pugger

11-01-2012, 05:52 PM

Our offense has to play a hell of lot better than they did against the Jags. AZ's offense isn't all that hot but they have a pretty decent defense.

Joemailman

11-01-2012, 06:04 PM

Mike Neal back at practice today. Nelson and Shields still out.

Fritz

11-02-2012, 07:48 AM

The decision on Neal will be based mostly on how he reacts physically to yesterday's practice.

I try to give guys a lot of leeway about injuries, because to me it's just such a physical, dangerous game, that I think it's often just bad luck when a guy keeps getting hurt. But now I truly am wondering if Neal and Starks are Justin and Harrell.

denverYooper

11-02-2012, 12:55 PM

Out- Kuhn, Worthy, Shields, Perry, Woodson, Jennings
Questionable- Nelson, McMillian (back)
Probable- Neal, Driver, Lang, Raji, Rodgers

Fritz

11-02-2012, 01:13 PM

McMillian now? Jaysus.

They're going to have to get a fourth grader from a local elementary school to play safety if any one else goes down.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTyTWVgFcU7tZo0UqaI3p-5VkN6OUwGyelsuZSofb75naa8RTmM9g

Guiness

11-02-2012, 01:14 PM

Certainly nice to have Raji back. Neal too, that guy needs to stay on the field. Nelson would be real nice.

What the hell with Shields? Something is going on there.

pittstang5

11-02-2012, 01:42 PM

Certainly nice to have Raji back. Neal too, that guy needs to stay on the field. Nelson would be real nice.

What the hell with Shields? Something is going on there.

Regarding Shields - yeah, what the hell is up with that? Haven't heard anything since he went down. Also thought Perry would be back too. I thought I heard they were waiting for a brace two weeks ago so he could practice. He should have gotten it by now.

Cheesehead Craig

11-02-2012, 03:01 PM

I just think with the bye week next week they will hold out anyone who could possibly need the extra rest

Patler

11-02-2012, 03:20 PM

I sure would like to know what happened to Shields. When he got hurt, a replay appeared to show that he was leg whipped in the shin. It didn't look overly violent, and it didn't seem to catch his knee or ankle.. I could understand that it might have hurt like heck initially, and could have been very sore; but I thought he could be back the next week, certainly by the week after.

It must have been a lot more violent than it looked, with the brunt of the force absorbed by his knee or ankle for him to be out this long.

sharpe1027

11-02-2012, 03:40 PM

I thought he twisted his ankle the when I saw the hit, but they reported it as a shin injury so who knows?

packrulz

11-04-2012, 06:34 AM

After watching his players – at least some of them, since they openly admitted it afterward – sleepwalk through last week’s victory over Jacksonville, McCarthy was hell-bent on making sure there were no motivational issues this week. So while raising the intensity level in practice was part of his emphasis during the week, McCarthy also dangled a carrot in front of his guys: Win, and your bye week starts Monday; lose, and you’re here ‘til Wednesday – the longest McCarthy could keep his guys around according to CBA rules.

ThunderDan

11-04-2012, 06:52 AM

Someone get the game day thread going. I am leaving to go to the game ASAP.

RashanGary

11-04-2012, 07:48 AM

Fritz

11-04-2012, 09:45 AM

I'm curious to see Starks today. I've hoped so much for Green, and sort of sold Starks up a river. Well, now I'm putting some hope back into Starks, only because I'm left with no choice. It would be nice to have a decent run game today. I do think MM is more serious than he's ever been about running the ball, and with those extra chances to work together, I do think we'll end up with the best run game we've had in the MM era down the stretch. You get what you put in, and they're putting in the work and dedication.

Hopefully some of that dedication to running the ball starts to pay off this week.

I wonder if it's a little less about the back and more about the line's poor blocking. Both are factors, I know, but if TJ Lang is right, and the line can get it together and finish blocks, somebody should get sprung, and not because he's looking at porn.

I would like to see this offensive line start to get its shit together.

pbmax

11-04-2012, 09:51 AM

pbmax

11-04-2012, 09:55 AM

Nelson was testing his leg earlier according to Twitter and Wilde. We are still 35 minutes from the inactive list.

pbmax

11-04-2012, 09:57 AM

Didn't I read that Shields also tweaked his knee in addition to his shin? I don't remember the ankle being mentioned after the game.

Until Nov. 2, JSO was referring to Shields' injury as shin/knee. By the 3rd (actually by 3:00 PM on the 2nd to judge by comments), it was reported as an ankle. Did he practice and get hurt again or was this a correction?

rbaloha1

11-04-2012, 10:12 AM

L. Tomilinson likes Starks a lot.

Expect good stuff from Starks including becoming the starter.

pbmax

11-04-2012, 11:00 AM

No Zombo. Nelson seems to be playing.

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde
#Packers inactives: Zombo, Worthy, Perry, Shields, Jennings, Woodson, Kuhn. All injured guys except Zombo, activated off PUP yesterday.

Freak Out

11-04-2012, 11:41 AM

I heard that Nelson was starting but I could have swore they mentioned Zombo was as well.

Smidgeon

11-05-2012, 11:13 AM

I think its the line too and this runs counter to the quasi-professional opinion of Eric Baranczyk writing with Christl. Benson was averaging 3.2 yards behind the same group. Its only going to get better to a degree even with more competent running from Starks (who will need time to get back to speed) and Green is going to start.

Lang being hurt and Saturday needing an adjustment to the blocking schemes means this could get better later in the season, but I ma not expecting them to average 4.0 a game Weeks 10-17.

The announcers were saying during the game that McCarthy was putting Green's struggles on him not being patient at the line. He's used to running at full speed from the moment he gets the ball. Once the game slows down for him, he should be better.

That being said, Starks did seem to have better vision than Green. Too bad he's hit or miss on a game by game basis on this...