Bye Week Notes and Quotes

[denverYooper]

Kicking off with the injury updates:

Estimates from M3 are vague today, but so far:

Matthews to miss at least a couple of weeks.
Perry getting a second opinion on his knee. (Second opinion?)
Bulaga to miss some time. M3 is concerned because his body was "not in a normal position". He is going to see a specialist. M3 wants "everybody's opinion"

My guess is that Bulaga could very well be done for the year. It sounds pretty bad.

[denverYooper]

Slocum: no plan to bring in kickers during the bye.

[denverYooper]

Jordy sprained his ankle but "should be ok".

Kuhn should also be ready to go in week 10.

[denverYooper]

No updates on Jennings, Woodson, or Shields.

[Freak Out]

Kicking off with the injury updates:

Estimates from M3 are vague today, but so far:

Matthews to miss at least a couple of weeks.
Perry getting a second opinion on his knee. (Second opinion?)
Bulaga to miss some time. M3 is concerned because his body was "not in a normal position". He is going to see a specialist. M3 wants "everybody's opinion"

My guess is that Bulaga could very well be done for the year. It sounds pretty bad.

DAYUM! Not the OL...please not the OL.

Claymaker and Perry out as well....

[Joemailman]

They're okay on the OL as long as nobody else gets hurt. The depth is pretty much non-existent now though.

The reserves are Greg Van Roten and Don Barclay. I've heard no indication they expect Sherrod can play.

[mmmdk]

Lambs to the Lions!

[denverYooper]

Per Demovsky, Perry has told teammates that he has an LCL injury

[red]

whoever the packers trainer/team doctor is, that guy needs to be fired.

perry is just now finding out he needs surgery?

it took 7 weeks to figure out jennings injury wasn't something that will heal on its own, but an injury that needs to be fixed

WTF is with that clown?

[mission]

whoever the packers trainer/team doctor is, that guy needs to be fired.

perry is just now finding out he needs surgery?

it took 7 weeks to figure out jennings injury wasn't something that will heal on its own, but an injury that needs to be fixed

WTF is with that clown?

That really IS unacceptable. These guys are supposed to be the very best at what they do. And if they aren't -- why??

[Lurker64]

Per Demovsky, Perry has told teammates that he has an LCL injury

An LCL should heal on its own in a matter of weeks with just the standard RICE treatment for a sprain. I wonder if it's not more than that.

[pbmax]

Was I imagining it or did Bulaga fall down on a run play on his own? Was he hurt then or on a previous play?

My working assumption on Jennings was that the player wanted to try rest and heal and the team let him. After it wasn't working, they went to the specialist.

[Patler]

Was I imagining it or did Bulaga fall down on a run play on his own? Was he hurt then or on a previous play?

My working assumption on Jennings was that the player wanted to try rest and heal and the team let him. After it wasn't working, they went to the specialist.

That's they way I saw Bulaga's injury, too.
I think you are right about Jennings.

[OS PA]

Does anybody have a video of Bulaga's injury? I'm not sure why I want to see a fat man falling down, but I'm interested to see what a "twisted" hip looks like.

[pbmax]

Does anybody have a video of Bulaga's injury? I'm not sure why I want to see a fat man falling down, but I'm interested to see what a "twisted" hip looks like.

McGinn or someone at GBPG today wrote that Bulaga got tripped up by another player's foot while heading out to block on that play. So his stumbling was at least partially related to a trip. But that would have to be a heck of a fall to get injured falling forward even after a couple of false steps. I wonder if the hip got whacked out of sorts immediately after the trip on the next bad step?

[ThunderDan]

Does anybody have a video of Bulaga's injury? I'm not sure why I want to see a fat man falling down, but I'm interested to see what a "twisted" hip looks like.

He may have gotten tripped up on the line but he went down all on his own without touching anyone. I was afraid someone rolled up on his ankle or knee and was releaved when the replays didn't show that.

I was bummed out 5 minutes later when they need the cart to take him from the Packers' sideline to the lockerroom.

Of course there was no announcement at Lambeau on who took his place. So for the next 2 or 3 plays the people around me were trying to see who was in and how the line was reshuffled.

[Patler]

McGinn or someone at GBPG today wrote that Bulaga got tripped up by another player's foot while heading out to block on that play. So his stumbling was at least partially related to a trip. But that would have to be a heck of a fall to get injured falling forward even after a couple of false steps. I wonder if the hip got whacked out of sorts immediately after the trip on the next bad step?

Ya, MM said the problem was the odd twist he put on his body to regain his balance. Said he might have been better off to just fall to the ground right away.

They fear he might have dislocated his hip, but then had it pop back in on its own.

[pbmax]

From the Good News/Bad News department.

Nick Perry is not visiting a specialist due to his knee injury, but to get his wrist looked at. By a slim margin, I think that's good news. Until the surgery, anyway.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/06/nick-perrys-second-opinion-for-wrist-not-knee-problem/

[denverYooper]

Somewhat interesting... Sherrod designated to return to practice:
https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/265974605171281920


#Packers have designated Derek Sherrod to return to practice. Doesn't mean he will, but they've bought themselves three more weeks.

I wonder if this has anything to do with Bulaga's injury? It looks to me like they're keeping this open.

[denverYooper]

Also, Borel has been released.

[RashanGary]

Also, Borel has been released.

Sherrod has had a few weeks now, where he's probably close to full go. It takes time to rebuild that lost muscle. Now he gets to practice for a few weeks.

If we can buy a little time before another injury hits, I think he could be serviceable late in the season and into the playoffs. I think it would be a big drop off, but not a disaster.

Next year, assuming he gets a full offseason, he could really solidify the depth of our OL and maybe even push Newhouse or Bulaga for a spot. Bulaga, to me, has been very disappointing. I feel like he gives up more pressures, and gets pushed back more in the run game than Newhouse.

[Patler]

Also, Borel has been released.

Wasn't he put on Practice Squad IR? Or has he been released since then?

[Patler]

Somewhat interesting... Sherrod designated to return to practice:
https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/265974605171281920



I wonder if this has anything to do with Bulaga's injury? It looks to me like they're keeping this open.

They had to do something with him by today, his PUP time was up. This gives them another three weeks to decide his final disposition. Might as well, even if they expect he will ultimately go on IR.

I think today is the final day for Quarless as a nonroster practice participant. He has to be activated, placed on IR or released.

[Fritz]

I wonder what the heck they're going to do with Quarless. I like him as a player - I think he was developing very well before he was hurt. But how do you make room for yet another tight end?

They're not going to cut Finley. DJ Williams shows flashes of talent and he's young, so how can they cut him? Crabtree is playing well on ST and is becoming a better receiving option now. Taylor appears to be a core ST guy.

Do you short yourself at another position to make room for Quarless? He appears to be completely healthy, so IR would seem to be out.

If you short yourself, where? They can't afford to give up spots at linebacker or on either line.

Umm.....maybe Donald Driver's spot? Quarless, unlike Driver, could play special teams. And moving Quarless back into the mix at TE would allow the team to use Finley in more WR sets in which Driver might've gotten the occasional snap.

Does Thompson dare to do this? Does it make sense to do this?

[mmmdk]

I started the Packers bye week out with a bang; I just ordered for $$ 200 Packers gear from Packers Pro Shop , gear for my family & I. All in the spirit to support my favorite team, the Packers, but also as a tribute to 4 more years to Barack Obama. Congrats Wisconsin & congrats America; let's get to work and let's get that trade deal between USA & Europe going. You've got a friend! :smile:

And let's bring back the Lombardi Trophy to Green Bay :pack:

[Patler]

I wonder what the heck they're going to do with Quarless. I like him as a player - I think he was developing very well before he was hurt. But how do you make room for yet another tight end?

They're not going to cut Finley. DJ Williams shows flashes of talent and he's young, so how can they cut him? Crabtree is playing well on ST and is becoming a better receiving option now. Taylor appears to be a core ST guy.

Do you short yourself at another position to make room for Quarless? He appears to be completely healthy, so IR would seem to be out.

If you short yourself, where? They can't afford to give up spots at linebacker or on either line.

Umm.....maybe Donald Driver's spot? Quarless, unlike Driver, could play special teams. And moving Quarless back into the mix at TE would allow the team to use Finley in more WR sets in which Driver might've gotten the occasional snap.

Does Thompson dare to do this? Does it make sense to do this?

Last year they were 5/5 at WR/TE, this year it is 6/4, so arguably his roster spot from last year went to Driver/Boykin. But with Jennings out and Nelson less than a picture of health this year, I doubt we will see a WR go.

It is beginning to sound like Perry is headed to IR with wrist surgery. At least temporarily that could be the opening for Quarless.

[pbmax]

Somewhat interesting... Sherrod designated to return to practice:
https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/265974605171281920



I wonder if this has anything to do with Bulaga's injury? It looks to me like they're keeping this open.

Keep hope alive for this year's 2012 Bruce Wilkerson Thanks for Saving Our Ass Award.

Borel was indeed released/cut from the PS/injured (hamstring) according to the same JSO article as Perry news.

[Patler]

Keep hope alive for this year's 2012 Bruce Wilkerson Thanks for Saving Our Ass Award.

Borel was indeed released/cut from the PS/injured (hamstring) according to the same JSO article as Perry news.

In some ways, James Jones should be a candidate for your 2012 BWTSOAA.

I saw the Borel stuff this morning. Kind of odd how it was handled - placed on PS IR 10 days ago, now released. That kind of stuff happens early in the season with injury settlements, and with regular roster players just about anytime, but it is somewhat unusual with the low, low paid PS guys as the season progresses. But, a dollar is a dollar. Maybe they wanted the practice body last week while Borel got another opinion on his injury before agreeing to a very small settlement.

[pbmax]

Yes, Jones has to be the leader at midseason for the award, followed by MVP candidate Tim Masthay and Tom Crabtree. That list alone proves how weird this season has been.

[denverYooper]

Yes, Jones has to be the leader at midseason for the award, followed by MVP candidate Tim Masthay and Tom Crabtree. That list alone proves how weird this season has been.

Crabtree is one more long TD reception away from leading all Packer TEs in yardage. He already has the TD lead.

[Patler]

Crabtree is one more long TD reception away from leading all Packer TEs in yardage. He already has the TD lead.

Talk about a guy who has fought and clawed his way into the NFL....

[Guiness]

*searches for preseason thread where many claimed he was on his way out*

[swede]

*Telling myself I was always big on Crabtree. Thinking of giving myself the "Saw it Coming from a Mile Away" award.*

Actually I did always like the kid for seeming to have a streak of hockey player in him; a mean, tenacious, try-hard.

He looked anything but graceful or fast or even particularly athletic in his long TD, but he does put his old meat hooks on the ball pretty well. I only remember two dropped passes in all the time he has been here, although I am sure there are more.

So, yeah, I accept this week's SICFAMA with a humble and grateful heart.

[denverYooper]

From Silverstein:

https://twitter.com/TomSilverstein/status/266303178927136768

#Packers have activated TE Andrew Quarless to the 53-man roster and put rookie LB Nick Perry on injured reserve, according to an NFL source.

There it is.

[wootah]

Somewhere in the bold predictions thread in the offseason I predicted a breakout year for Ryan Taylor. Meanest son of a gun on the roster. I don't understand why he didn't get some more opportunities: all he did last year was score TD's. His dad should have a little talk with MM.

[Joemailman]

From Silverstein:

https://twitter.com/TomSilverstein/status/266303178927136768

#Packers have activated TE Andrew Quarless to the 53-man roster and put rookie LB Nick Perry on injured reserve, according to an NFL source.

There it is.

I know this has been brought up before, but what's up with the Packers training staff? Perry is the 2nd Packer recently (Greg Jennings) who needed surgery after getting a second opinion on an injury.

[Patler]

I know this has been brought up before, but what's up with the Packers training staff? Perry is the 2nd Packer recently (Greg Jennings) who needed surgery after getting a second opinion on an injury.

For all we know, the players sought a second opinion to confirm the medical staff recommendations for surgery..

[Lurker64]

I know this has been brought up before, but what's up with the Packers training staff? Perry is the 2nd Packer recently (Greg Jennings) who needed surgery after getting a second opinion on an injury.

Perry's surgery was on his wrist, not on the knee which was the injury that supposedly kept him out the last few weeks.

At least, he was playing with a wrist that was bothering him before he injured his knee.

What might have happened is that Perry was going to rest his wrist while his knee healed so he can be 100% in order to come back, and the wrist didn't get any better so he had it looked at and it turns out he needed surgery.

[mmmdk]

From Silverstein:

https://twitter.com/TomSilverstein/status/266303178927136768

#Packers have activated TE Andrew Quarless to the 53-man roster and put rookie LB Nick Perry on injured reserve, according to an NFL source.

There it is.

This is the beginning of the end in Green Bay for Finley! We won a SB without him.

[Joemailman]

Perry's surgery was on his wrist, not on the knee which was the injury that supposedly kept him out the last few weeks.

At least, he was playing with a wrist that was bothering him before he injured his knee.

What might have happened is that Perry was going to rest his wrist while his knee healed so he can be 100% in order to come back, and the wrist didn't get any better so he had it looked at and it turns out he needed surgery.

So Perry was playing with a wrist injury that now needs surgery. Isn't it conceivable that he was playing with it because the severity of the injury was misdiagnosed?

[Patler]

So Perry was playing with a wrist injury that now needs surgery. Isn't it conceivable that he was playing with it because the severity of the injury was misdiagnosed?


Sure, but it is also possible they wanted to give it an opportunity to heal without surgery, especially if surgery meant his season was over. When it didn't heal, he went to a specialist, got a second opinion and had the surgery.

[pbmax]

So Perry was playing with a wrist injury that now needs surgery. Isn't it conceivable that he was playing with it because the severity of the injury was misdiagnosed?

Its also more likely the player had a choice; surgery to fix 100% and be out for most if not all the season or cast it and try to play.

The timing of the knee injury might be coincidental or it could have been the bye week that triggered an new eval. But Perry could have decided he could not play effectively with the wrist in the shape it was in and did not see it getting better, even while out with another injury.

[Pugger]

whoever the packers trainer/team doctor is, that guy needs to be fired.

perry is just now finding out he needs surgery?

it took 7 weeks to figure out jennings injury wasn't something that will heal on its own, but an injury that needs to be fixed

WTF is with that clown?

I hear ya! :|

[Pugger]

Per Demovsky, Perry has told teammates that he has an LCL injury

Didn't he have surgery on his wrist?

[Lurker64]

Didn't he have surgery on his wrist?

You can have two different parts of your body hurt.

An LCL injury wouldn't require surgery unless it was a complete rupture, which would be unlikely without being accompanied by injuries to other knee ligaments that would carry an immediate "out of the season" designation.

Generally LCL injuries will heal on their own with standard RICE treatment and PT. The wrist, on the other hand, is complicated and delicate. There are a lot of wrist injuries that can only be healed surgically and require a considerable recovery time.

[Pugger]

You can have two different parts of your body hurt.

An LCL injury wouldn't require surgery unless it was a complete rupture, which would be unlikely without being accompanied by injuries to other knee ligaments that would carry an immediate "out of the season" designation.

Generally LCL injuries will heal on their own with standard RICE treatment and PT. The wrist, on the other hand, is complicated and delicate. There are a lot of wrist injuries that can only be healed surgically and require a considerable recovery time.

Lets all hope he comes back strong on 1213.

[cheesner]

So Perry was playing with a wrist injury that now needs surgery. Isn't it conceivable that he was playing with it because the severity of the injury was misdiagnosed?

I think you are all missing the most likely explanation. Perry injured the wrist and decided to play through the pain. Perry injured his knee. Packers decided Perry would have to sit out a few weeks, and they did not want to reserve a roster spot for Perry when they needed a spot for Quarless. So Perry went ahead and had the surgery knowing full well he was headed to the IR anyway.

[BobDobbs]

Lets all hope he comes back strong on 1213.

I always knew he was a time traveler. It's the eyes!

[Pugger]

I always knew he was a time traveler. It's the eyes!

OMG! Did I type that?! :lol: I wonder if I can fix it yet... :oops:

[Pugger]

I guess not. :-?

[Smeefers]

I don't understand why people are jumping on the training staff. This is a violent sport, people tend to get injured. Stretching your hamstring is no way to guarantee that it won't pull, there's no way to guarantee that it wont pull. You can't do more push ups and expect your shoulder not to get knocked out of its socket. There's nothing you can do to prevent injury in the NFL. It's all blind stupid dumb luck. We want to place blame at someone's feet, but it isn't anyone's fault. Training staff can't make you heal faster or make you resist injury better. What they do is make you stronger or faster. They mold your body to best fit your position. If you want to replace the training staff, first look at how explosive our guys are off the line, whether or not they're getting manhandled, outrun, pushed around or dominated. Don't look to see if C-Wood's collar bone broke.

[Pugger]

I don't understand why people are jumping on the training staff. This is a violent sport, people tend to get injured. Stretching your hamstring is no way to guarantee that it won't pull, there's no way to guarantee that it wont pull. You can't do more push ups and expect your shoulder not to get knocked out of its socket. There's nothing you can do to prevent injury in the NFL. It's all blind stupid dumb luck. We want to place blame at someone's feet, but it isn't anyone's fault. Training staff can't make you heal faster or make you resist injury better. What they do is make you stronger or faster. They mold your body to best fit your position. If you want to replace the training staff, first look at how explosive our guys are off the line, whether or not they're getting manhandled, outrun, pushed around or dominated. Don't look to see if C-Wood's collar bone broke.

For me my frustration is if Jennings' injury had been correctly identified maybe he would have had the surgery earlier and would be back by now. :neutral:

[pbmax]

For me my frustration is if Jennings' injury had been correctly identified maybe he would have had the surgery earlier and would be back by now. :neutral:

A hernia, except is specific cases, is not life threatening and you can go about your usual daily activities. I used to play golf with one, though in a different area than Jennings. Far from being undiagnosed, I am almost sure that Jennings tried to play through the discomfort before finding out it wasn't going to work. I wonder if they tried a truss :lol:

The only oddity is choosing a specialist for the surgery. But given that McKenzie, the team Doctor, is probably an orthopedist, having abdominal surgery with a different specialist is not too surprising.

[Patler]

For me my frustration is if Jennings' injury had been correctly identified maybe he would have had the surgery earlier and would be back by now. :neutral:

Before you tar and feather the staff:


A sports hernia is probably the least understood of all the injuries that involve professional level and collegiate level athletes. ....This means making a definitive sports hernia diagnosis is difficult.


The diagnosis of a sports hernia is determined based on the combination of the patient's history, physical examination, and diagnostic tests. Recently, the use of MRI tests has become more common in looking for signs of a sports hernia. Previously, the MRI was primarily used to look for other causes of groin pain, but recent research has found some characteristic findings on an MRI in patients with a sports hernia.

.... the initial treatment of a sports hernia is always conservative in hopes that the symptoms will resolve. Resting from activity, anti-inflammatory medications, ice treatments, and physical therapy can all be tried in an effort to alleviate the patient's symptoms.


and some Q&As:


Does everyone with sports hernia need sports hernia surgery?

No. The majority of athletes with sports hernia respond well to Physical Therapy. The duration of treatment may vary from athlete to athlete, but most return to full athletic activity without sports hernia surgery.


...and perhaps the reason that surgery is avoided if possible:


What are the effects of the superficial nerve – ilioinguinal nerve – being removed during sports hernia surgery?

The nerve is removed during sports hernia surgery to avoid the postoperative complication of inguinal neuralgia, a painful complication caused by scar tissue irritating the nerve. This can mimic the symptoms of sports hernia. The nerve supplies skin sensation to the inguinal region. This skin will be numb after sports hernia surgery, but with time this sensation fades. It will always be numb to the touch. More importantly, this has no effect on sexual function or enjoyment.

[Joemailman]

Falcons no longer unbeaten. Saints may make a playoff push yet.

[pbmax]

And the Lions may be done. I feel terrible for Schwartz and only wish it could be Harbaugh flaming out as well.

[Guiness]

Cowboys take the decision out of Reed's hands, Vick is out and Foles is in.

What's the line on Vick seeing the field as an Eagles starter again? Cause I'm taking the 'against'.

[Lurker64]

And the Lions may be done. I feel terrible for Schwartz and only wish it could be Harbaugh flaming out as well.

Is Schwartz's seat even warm though? I think he can ride that playoff appearance last year to about a 5-year contract extension, given that these are the Lions.

[Bossman641]

Am I the only one who thinks Foles looks awful? He only has 1 INT but he could/should have many more.

[pbmax]

Go Rams Go!

[denverYooper]

Am I the only one who thinks Foles looks awful? He only has 1 INT but he could/should have many more.

Ya. He was a bit of a disaster.

[denverYooper]

GO TEXANS!

[pbmax]

Stupid Rams! Oh well. Harbaugh probably had to throw up at the thought of a tie.

Moving to Twitter to troll Bears and Texans fans. First target? Texans Red Zone plan to attack sideline rather than endzone.

[mmmdk]

Rodgers gave blueprint for beating Texans but can Cutler copycat it?

[denverYooper]

Rodgers gave blueprint for beating Texans but can Cutler copycat it?

Rodgers >>> Cutler

[denverYooper]

Man, Colorado's commercials have gotten a lot more interesting since Prop 64 passed. Double bacon peanut butter cup dorito pizza!??

[pbmax]

Man, Colorado's commercials have gotten a lot more interesting since Prop 64 passed. Double bacon peanut butter cup dorito pizza!??

Doritos should build a new plant.

[pbmax]

Too bad Edgar Bennett isn't still playing for the Bears. He'd have 125 yds so far.

[Guiness]

Who's watching the Bears Texans game? Raining like hell, and a pile of turnovers. In 3 consecutive possessions, the Bears went int, fumble, int!

[denverYooper]

Cut Crosby.

[denverYooper]

Um Al, I'm guessing Tillman's wife is just about past term if they're going to induce tomorrow.

[denverYooper]

Doritos should build a new plant.

Manning bought 21 Papa John's franchises recently. He must have paid attention to the data coming in.

[pbmax]

Manning bought 21 Papa John's franchises recently. He must have paid attention to the data coming in.

Smart man.

And for the Samsung commercial, proof you don't need to work blue to be blue.

[denverYooper]

Cutler must be participating in Movember.

[pbmax]

Cutler must be participating in Movember.

He is.

[pbmax]

Head first, but he didn't have to Chris. But nice play.

[denverYooper]

That's 3 QB concussions this week - Smith (SF), Vick, Cutler. Good thing Aaron didn't play.

[pbmax]

What was that with the NBC logo? A color test?

[Guiness]

That's 3 QB concussions this week - Smith (SF), Vick, Cutler. Good thing Aaron didn't play.

Cutler went down? What happened? I just ran home and missed the beginning of the 3rd quarter.

[pbmax]

Cutler went down? What happened? I just ran home and missed the beginning of the 3rd quarter.

End of 1st half. On the ball he threw that was called a pass beyond the LOS, he took a head shot from #52 of the Texans. Twisted his helmet around like a top. If not for the interminable delay in reviewing the call and the penalty calls, Cutler would have been missed a play.

[denverYooper]

10-6, Astros over Cubs.

[channtheman]

Boy the Rams sure are a stupid team. 2 presnap penalties that each cost them a win today. Harbough is one lucky SOB. And this is somewhat of an entertaining game tonight with all the turnovers.

[Guiness]

End of 1st half. On the ball he threw that was called a pass beyond the LOS, he took a head shot from #52 of the Texans. Twisted his helmet around like a top. If not for the interminable delay in reviewing the call and the penalty calls, Cutler would have been missed a play.

He didn't miss a play then, they must've diagnosed the concussion at half time.

[denverYooper]

He didn't miss a play then, they must've diagnosed the concussion at half time.

They couldn't tell right away because he usually has a dull look on his face.

[denverYooper]

Schaub often has the look of a teenage girl disgusted with her father's antics. "OCHHH. DAHHD!"

[denverYooper]

The realization is slowly dawning on Collingsworth that Urlacher is losing a step.

[denverYooper]

In order to celebrate prop 64, Manning threw his 420th TD pass this week.

[digitaldean]

Delay of game on long FG. Then delay of game at end of OT when they had a TO left. Also many Rams players were walking back to huddle. No urgency.

[digitaldean]

So much for that independent observer that is supposed to keep old' scrambled brain Cutler from going back in. Bears better hope he can recover quick. Jason Campbell looked god-awful.

[Lurker64]

So much for that independent observer that is supposed to keep old' scrambled brain Cutler from going back in. Bears better hope he can recover quick. Jason Campbell looked god-awful.

This is Cutler's sixth concussion of his career. Steve Young's career ended after his seventh. Troy Aikman made it to ten.

[Guiness]

So much for that independent observer that is supposed to keep old' scrambled brain Cutler from going back in. Bears better hope he can recover quick. Jason Campbell looked god-awful.

I'm sure you mean good 'n' awful?

[Guiness]

This is Cutler's sixth concussion of his career. Steve Young's career ended after his seventh. Troy Aikman made it to ten.

Young had 7 official. How many 'bell rings'? My guess is the number would easily be double that if they were counting the way they do today. He got clocked a LOT.

[mraynrand]

Chris Collinsworthless gets done saying "He's a Bear QB now" after the moron dives for a first down. I had to agree: He's just too stupid to play the position. These QB's careers, lives and yes, their team's fates are hanging on their brains staying appropriately anchored inside their skulls. QBs really ought not ever run, and if they do, get the F down as soon as possible. Chicago deserves Cutler. And if Rodgers tries another run like that one against the Cards, he could end up out of football in an instant.

[Upnorth]

Who is our field goal holder? Is it Cobb? If it isn't I am bumping the fire slocum thread.

[Joemailman]

Who is our field goal holder? Is it Cobb? If it isn't I am bumping the fire slocum thread.

Masthay.

[Patler]

Chris Collinsworthless gets done saying "He's a Bear QB now" after the moron dives for a first down. I had to agree: He's just too stupid to play the position. These QB's careers, lives and yes, their team's fates are hanging on their brains staying appropriately anchored inside their skulls. QBs really ought not ever run, and if they do, get the F down as soon as possible. Chicago deserves Cutler. And if Rodgers tries another run like that one against the Cards, he could end up out of football in an instant.

I remember when Qbs were football players.

[Freak Out]

In order to celebrate prop 64, Manning threw his 420th TD pass this week.

Roll another one...

I have to agree with Patler....just play the game and run if you want....but hold on to the damn ball!

[Freak Out]

So much for that independent observer that is supposed to keep old' scrambled brain Cutler from going back in. Bears better hope he can recover quick. Jason Campbell looked god-awful.

He ended up with better stats than Cutlet though. Give him a week and he might be ok.

[mraynrand]

I remember when Qbs were football players.

So do I. Really, really bad football players. because the good ones got knocked out of the games with concussions!

[Fritz]

I remember when Qbs were football players.


Tell the truth, Patler. You're just aching for Bobby Douglass, aren't you?

The funny part about all this is that we're now seeing a couple of young QB's who run the ball rather well - RGIII and Cam Newton.

[Iron Mike]

The realization is slowly dawning on Collingsworth that Urlacher is losing a step.

He's becoming Nick Barnettesque in his ability to run 10 yards backwards to make a tackle.

[Iron Mike]

BTW, didn't J Cutty have a 16.6 QB rating before the football gods mercifully took him out???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtOckG5tNhc

[Patler]

Tell the truth, Patler. You're just aching for Bobby Douglass, aren't you?

The funny part about all this is that we're now seeing a couple of young QB's who run the ball rather well - RGIII and Cam Newton.

Na, not Douglas. I'll take Joe Kapp. Feisty old dude yet today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrkEROiQsa8

[Joemailman]

Tell the truth, Patler. You're just aching for Bobby Douglass, aren't you?

The funny part about all this is that we're now seeing a couple of young QB's who run the ball rather well - RGIII and Cam Newton.

Yes, but Andrew Luck, who doesn't run as much, is the one winning games.

[KYPack]

Na, not Douglas. I'll take Joe Kapp. Feisty old dude yet today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrkEROiQsa8

They didn't call him "nutty Joe" fer nothin'.

The punch was Angelo's "receipt" for a legendary dirty hit from a Grey Cup championship game 48 years ago!

[Patler]

They didn't call him "nutty Joe" fer nothin'.

The punch was Angelo's "receipt" for a legendary dirty hit from a Grey Cup championship game 48 years ago!

Ya, but Kapp first presented him a flower as a peace offering, in return was told to "stick it up his ass" and then was hit with a cane before he punched him. Kapp took a lot of bad press for it, but he didn't start the physical confrontation.

[denverYooper]

He's becoming Nick Barnettesque in his ability to run 10 yards backwards to make a tackle.

At one point earlier in the game he was gushing over Briggs/Urlacher--saying how Briggs stopped the play and Urlacher cleaned it up. The reality was that Grrrlacher came in at the end of the play and jumped on the pile.

[Fritz]

He could run, maybe, but gawd his passes were ugly. Wounded ducks.

[mraynrand]

Tell the truth, Patler. You're just aching for Bobby Douglass, aren't you?

The funny part about all this is that we're now seeing a couple of young QB's who run the ball rather well - RGIII and Cam Newton.

How about Otto Graham? Lots of mostly very short TD runs, but very effective indeed. 7/10 in championship games.

[Fritz]

Fran Tarkenton. How I hated that bastard.

[Freak Out]

Aaron Maybin was cut...any reason at all to bring the guy in off the waiver wire at this point?

[Patler]

Aaron Maybin was cut...any reason at all to bring the guy in off the waiver wire at this point?

Most definitely! They will need stadium shovelers in GB anytime now.

[swede]

Fran Tarkenton. How I hated that bastard.

I was still a lad fresh from Minnesota as Tarkenton, Foreman, Dave Osborn, Ahmad Rashad, and the aging D-line were busy racking up yards and losing Super Bowls. I liked Fran the Man a lot as a kid. He was on TV for a while hosting some kind of bad show and he always seemed pleasant enough, but when I hear him talk now he seems very, very bitter about being an afterthought when the great quarterbacks are discussed.

I mean really bitter.

[Patler]

I was still a lad fresh from Minnesota as Tarkenton, Foreman, Dave Osborn, Ahmad Rashad, and the aging D-line were busy racking up yards and losing Super Bowls. I liked Fran the Man a lot as a kid. He was on TV for a while hosting some kind of bad show and he always seemed pleasant enough, but when I hear him talk now he seems very, very bitter about being an afterthought when the great quarterbacks are discussed.

I mean really bitter.

Ya, he does come across quite bitter about a lot of things now, but he really shouldn't. He is in the Hall of Fame. What more does he want, or expect?

[Guiness]

Aaron Maybin was cut...any reason at all to bring the guy in off the waiver wire at this point?

I can only assume that's tongue in cheek.

Looking at his stats, he looks like he did play ok, for the first time in his career, last year. He dropped right off, and the Jets cut him despite what I think was a vet minimum salary. I doubt very much we're going to get more out of him than they did.

[Freak Out]

Yes.....I was just fishing really....I had forgotten he was still in the league.

[mraynrand]

Is the football season still going on?

[Iron Mike]

He was on TV for a while hosting some kind of bad show.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFXtb9jBaBM

[Freak Out]

Nipples.

[Freak Out]

I always wondered if he and Davidson doubled teamed that.

[KYPack]

I always wondered if he and Davidson doubled teamed that.

Tarky and Davidson are both sons of preachers, ya know?

So yeah, they definitely tag teamed her.

I used to think Davidson was the biggest fag on TV. I went on a really hairy dive trip down in Mexico and the dive shop had a bunch of pictures of Davidson on the wall. The diving he was doing put my dives to shame. I really hated "That's Incredible" It never was. Incredible, that is.

[Freak Out]

Cenotes?

[pbmax]

Tarky and Davidson are both sons of preachers, ya know?

So yeah, they definitely tag teamed her.

I used to think Davidson was the biggest fag on TV. I went on a really hairy dive trip down in Mexico and the dive shop had a bunch of pictures of Davidson on the wall. The diving he was doing put my dives to shame. I really hated "That's Incredible" It never was. Incredible, that is.

The three phases of reading this post:

1. Hairy dive trip = drug addled vacation in semi-lawless, failing Mexican vacation town

2. Hairy dive trip and dive shop = no frills working class entertainment vacation that encountered special "fetish" nights that can surprise unaccustomed visitors

3. Hairy dive trip and dive shop plus diving = oh, he actually means he went into the water on vacation

[Fritz]

Tarky and Davidson are both sons of preachers, ya know?

So yeah, they definitely tag teamed her.

I used to think Davidson was the biggest fag on TV. I went on a really hairy dive trip down in Mexico and the dive shop had a bunch of pictures of Davidson on the wall. The diving he was doing put my dives to shame. I really hated "That's Incredible" It never was. Incredible, that is.

The title of that show was a reference to Kathy Crosby's nippleage.

[mraynrand]

The three phases of reading this post:

1. Hairy dive trip = drug addled vacation in semi-lawless, failing Mexican vacation town

2. Hairy dive trip and dive shop = no frills working class entertainment vacation that encountered special "fetish" nights that can surprise unaccustomed visitors

3. Hairy dive trip and dive shop plus diving = oh, he actually means he went into the water on vacation

Fritz's post made me believe 'hairy dive' had something to do with Cathy Lee Crosby.

[KYPack]

Cenotes?

Not that time.

I did a "hammerhead" dive. We didn't know that if the hammerheads ain't schooling, you don't see shit and that's what we got, nothin'.

I learned about the cenotes later.

For cenotes I really like a place called "Dos Ojos" and another called 'car wash'. Those are over on the mainland in the Yucatan.

The hammerhead dive was on the Pacific side down in Cabo San Lucas.

[pbmax]

Nice piece, photos mainly, of the evolution of the helmet.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000095139/article/history-of-the-nfl-football-helmet?campaign=Twitter_featURES_helmets

[Fritz]

When I was about ten my dad bought me an NFL replica Packer helmet. This thing was high quality, absolutely The Shizz. My prized possession. When my mom and dad sold our home in 1980, me mum had a garage sale and - poof - there went my helmet.

That's why I'm all fucked up. Thanks, Mom.