Lion's Disarray

[pbmax]

JSO has Scott Linehan (OC) and Shawn Jefferson (WR coach and former FF tease) getting into sideline confrontation. Missed that during the game.

[swede]

Perhaps the WR coach thought it stupid of the OC not to target Megatron rather than the TE during the last do-or-die possession and wanted to point it out immediately rather than later lest the issue slip his mind...

[Lurker64]

Perhaps the WR coach thought it stupid of the OC not to target Megatron rather than the TE during the last do-or-die possession and wanted to point it out immediately rather than later lest the issue slip his mind...

I think the heart of the dispute was "Titus Young is a pain in the ass and is thus not the player he should be."

You could kind of see this coming, there were all sorts of scouts willing to tell you he was a diva, a troublemaker, and that "the skillset don't match the mindset."

[TravisWilliams23]

The tv telecast did show them having some sort of heated disagreement on the sideline but Aikman and Buck didn't touch what was happening. Their season just went down the toilet and they don't seem to have an answer as how to turn it around.
Contrast that scene with Jennings trying to get Crosby to laugh a little bit on the Green Bay sideline. What a great teammate! It was just after Mason's 2nd miss and who knows if it helped him on the 3rd try or not but he did make that last kick. One of the announcers referenced the commercial where Greg is trying to get Dougie to smile on the airplane because Doug sold his endzone tickets to a couple who now had Jennings Lambeau leaping in their laps.

[Lurker64]

The tv telecast did show them having some sort of heated disagreement on the sideline but Aikman and Buck didn't touch what was happening. Their season just went down the toilet and they don't seem to have an answer as how to turn it around.
Contrast that scene with Jennings trying to get Crosby to laugh a little bit on the Green Bay sideline. What a great teammate! It was just after Mason's 2nd miss and who knows if it helped him on the 3rd try or not but he did make that last kick. One of the announcers referenced the commercial where Greg is trying to get Dougie to smile on the airplane because Doug sold his endzone tickets to a couple who now had Jennings Lambeau leaping in their laps.

Well, it's more fun being 6-3 than it is being 4-5.

[Patler]

The tv telecast did show them having some sort of heated disagreement on the sideline but Aikman and Buck didn't touch what was happening.


Yet both were more than willing to hypothesize what MM was saying to Crosby after the shorter FG miss. Both were convinced he was in Crosby's face, chewing him out. Crosby said after the game that it was just the opposite, that MM was very encouraging, and told him to get ready because this team would put him into position for another FG attempt before the game was over.

[LegandofthePack15]

Yet both were more than willing to hypothesize what MM was saying to Crosby after the shorter FG miss. Both were convinced he was in Crosby's face, chewing him out. Crosby said after the game that it was just the opposite, that MM was very encouraging, and told him to get ready because this team would put him into position for another FG attempt before the game was over.

McCarthy should've chewed him out. That miss was inexcusable. The Packers were lucky the Lions didnt score a td the last time they were in the redzone. Even luckier Crosby didnt have to kick the game-winner. Crosby sucks.

Tom Coughlin didn't win two SBs by encouraging his specialists after they made a bad play, especially a fucking inexcusable bad play. In fact, Coughlin almost cut his punter on the spot after the poor dude helped the Packers into the big dance by punting the ball to D-Jax instead of out of bounds as Coughlin had instructed.

[pbmax]

McCarthy should've chewed him out. That miss was inexcusable. The Packers were lucky the Lions didnt score a td the last time they were in the redzone. Even luckier Crosby didnt have to kick the game-winner. Crosby sucks.

Tom Coughlin didn't win two SBs by encouraging his specialists after they made a bad play, especially a fucking inexcusable bad play. In fact, Coughlin almost cut his punter on the spot after the poor dude helped the Packers into the big dance by punting the ball to D-Jax instead of out of bounds as Coughlin had instructed.

Yep, red faced about a punter mis-hitting a ball made all the difference. Led right to a non-playoff berth. We all know punters don't need to mis-hit the ball if they truly care enough about their teammates and themselves. Mis-hitting the ball is selfish.

[Iron Mike]

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[denverYooper]

McCarthy should've chewed him out. That miss was inexcusable. The Packers were lucky the Lions didnt score a td the last time they were in the redzone. Even luckier Crosby didnt have to kick the game-winner. Crosby sucks.

Tom Coughlin didn't win two SBs by encouraging his specialists after they made a bad play, especially a fucking inexcusable bad play. In fact, Coughlin almost cut his punter on the spot after the poor dude helped the Packers into the big dance by punting the ball to D-Jax instead of out of bounds as Coughlin had instructed.

Yes because a good coach always screams at his players. That's how you get the best out of them. It's science.

[HowardRoark]

Chris Martin screamed at Apple and she is potty trained now.

[sharpe1027]

Yet both were more than willing to hypothesize what MM was saying to Crosby after the shorter FG miss.

It was obvious from the shot I saw that MM was calm when he spoke to Crosby. The announcers were just stirring the pot as there was no real indication that MM was being negative.

[denverYooper]

Aikman and Buck were ok yesterday, Aikman even insightful at times.

Buck's glasses make him look like an asshole, though.

[mraynrand]

Aikman and Buck didn't touch what was happening.

They were busy not being able to see pass interference.

[LegandofthePack15]

Yes because a good coach always screams at his players. That's how you get the best out of them. It's science.

I know you're being sarcastic, but McCarthy has got to chew out his players once in while. Let them know mistakes are unacceptable and a player has to do his job. Crosby is a seasoned pro; he has to make his kicks, especially the 39 yarder that wouldve tied the game.

Its clear McCarthy is no disciplinarian like Coughlin. He's more of a strategist like Bill Walsh was. Holmgren was a little bit of both. The Walrus grabbed Billy Schroeder's face mask for all to see and he would've put James Jones in a doghouse for fumbling twice in a game as a rookie if he were coaching Jones.

[mraynrand]

he would've put James Jones in a doghouse

Racist

[Patler]

I know you're being sarcastic, but McCarthy has got to chew out his players once in while. Let them know mistakes are unacceptable and a player has to do his job. Crosby is a seasoned pro; he has to make his kicks, especially the 39 yarder that wouldve tied the game. .

Obviously, a seasoned pro (as you put it) wouldn't know that he shouldn't have missed the kick without a HC chewing him out.



Its clear McCarthy is no disciplinarian like Coughlin. He's more of a strategist like Bill Walsh was. Holmgren was a little bit of both. The Walrus grabbed Billy Schroeder's face mask for all to see and he would've put James Jones in a doghouse for fumbling twice in a game as a rookie if he were coaching Jones.

If that is your analysis, I will keep MM just as he is. I would take Walsh over either of the other two.

[LegandofthePack15]

Racist

Schroeder spent time in a doghouse, so a doghouse accepts everyone.

Wanna know what's racist? A conservative.

[Freak Out]

JSO has Scott Linehan (OC) and Shawn Jefferson (WR coach and former FF tease) getting into sideline confrontation. Missed that during the game.

I saw it...Jefferson was screaming at him...it seemed a rather one way conversation.

[LegandofthePack15]

Obviously, a seasoned pro (as you put it) wouldn't know that he shouldn't have missed the kick without a HC chewing him out.

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Maybe Crosby never learned from his mistakes b/c McCarthy has never chewed him out? Hell, this season is something like the 7th or 8th season of McCarthy's regime and the Packers still have pad level issues.

I'd take a disciplinarian-strategist hybrid like Holmgren or Billichick over McCarthy any day.

[denverYooper]

I know you're being sarcastic, but McCarthy has got to chew out his players once in while. Let them know mistakes are unacceptable and a player has to do his job. Crosby is a seasoned pro; he has to make his kicks, especially the 39 yarder that wouldve tied the game.

Its clear McCarthy is no disciplinarian like Coughlin. He's more of a strategist like Bill Walsh was. Holmgren was a little bit of both. The Walrus grabbed Billy Schroeder's face mask for all to see and he would've put James Jones in a doghouse for fumbling twice in a game as a rookie if he were coaching Jones.

The kicker is generally the last person to use the hammer on.

Greg Jennings might have just saved the Packers' season with his good-natured mobbing of Crosby.

[denverYooper]

Racist

Commie.

[swede]

Maybe Crosby never learned from his mistakes b/c McCarthy has never chewed him out? Hell, this season is something like the 7th or 8th season of McCarthy's regime and the Packers still have pad level issues.

I'd take a disciplinarian-strategist hybrid like Holmgren or Billichick over McCarthy any day.

Mike McCarthy has chunks of boys like you in his stool, but he treats men like men.

[Patler]

I'd take a disciplinarian-strategist hybrid like Holmgren or Billichick over McCarthy any day.

Yet, you likened MM to Walsh, who I would take over Holmgren without even blinking. Belichik or Walsh? Sort of a toss up in my mind.

all other things equal, I'll take the cooler, more calculated approach of MM over the more eruptive personality of Holmgren every time.

[sharpe1027]

I don't pretend to know how much MM disciplines his players. That he doesn't fly off the handle during a game and do it so that the entire world can see is a plus in my book. While you can use the media to send a message, I don't think it is the best way to discipline players.

[denverYooper]

Yet, you likened MM to Walsh, who I would take over Holmgren without even blinking. Belichik or Walsh? Sort of a toss up in my mind.

all other things equal, I'll take the cooler, more calculated approach of MM over the more eruptive personality of Holmgren every time.

There's a good chance that M3 passes Holmy in the SB wins department when all is said and done. The Packers have a few good years coming yet.

[Patler]

Maybe Crosby never learned from his mistakes b/c McCarthy has never chewed him out? Hell, this season is something like the 7th or 8th season of McCarthy's regime and the Packers still have pad level issues.


Crosby has the Packer record for consecutive successful fieldgoals at 23 in a row. The record before Crosby? 17. It's clear that Crosby doesn't know what it takes to be successful.

Crosby has a very strong leg. Recall that he was feet short on a 69 yard free kick attempt in Green Bay, in December, into the wind with the temperature about 30 degrees. Yet, he tends to be erratic on longer kicks, and gets into problems when he has too many attempts at 50+ in a short time. Distance wise, he is good anywhere at just about anytime from 60 yards in, but he doesn't kick a straight ball most of the time.

[Patler]

There's a good chance that M3 passes Holmy in the SB wins department when all is said and done. The Packers have a few good years coming yet.

Ya, Holmgren was a good coach, but not one of the all time greats in my mind. A couple SB losses and a few seasons that fizzled out earlier than maybe they should have. MM's story is still being written, and I hope it includes a few more SBs.

[Lurker64]

McCarthy should've chewed him out. That miss was inexcusable. The Packers were lucky the Lions didnt score a td the last time they were in the redzone. Even luckier Crosby didnt have to kick the game-winner. Crosby sucks.

Tom Coughlin didn't win two SBs by encouraging his specialists after they made a bad play, especially a fucking inexcusable bad play. In fact, Coughlin almost cut his punter on the spot after the poor dude helped the Packers into the big dance by punting the ball to D-Jax instead of out of bounds as Coughlin had instructed.

Well, if you have a guy who is struggling to produce due to a lack of confidence in his technique, probably the best way to fix that is not to chew out that guy on the sideline. Since that's almost certainly not going to help.

Kickers are like golfers, a lot of their game is in their head, and the only real reason to chew out your struggling kicker from the HC perspective is if you've already decided you're going to cut him. If you want to salvage the person and the player, you have to be largely supportive.

[Fritz]

JSO has Scott Linehan (OC) and Shawn Jefferson (WR coach and former FF tease) getting into sideline confrontation. Missed that during the game.

Getting back to that original thread topic, the media is all over the Leos today. The Packers were there, ripe for the picking, having played a lousy game on offense and having a run defense that was slipping in the second half. Yet the Lions found a way to lose.

The Detroit News summed it all up when they contrasted Jimmy Schvantz's quote about not doing enough to win with Aaron Rodgers's quote about not playing well but doing enough to win in the end.

The difference between good and average teams is very, very slim in the NFL.

The fans here are furious. Same old Lions, etc., etc.

[sharpe1027]

The fans here are furious. Same old Lions, etc., etc.

I hope they do just well enough to keep Jim Schwartz around. I think he peaked last year and is on the way out, it's just a matter of this year or next year.

[red]

Getting back to that original thread topic, the media is all over the Leos today. The Packers were there, ripe for the picking, having played a lousy game on offense and having a run defense that was slipping in the second half. Yet the Lions found a way to lose.

The Detroit News summed it all up when they contrasted Jimmy Schvantz's quote about not doing enough to win with Aaron Rodgers's quote about not playing well but doing enough to win in the end.

The difference between good and average teams is very, very slim in the NFL.

The fans here are furious. Same old Lions, etc., etc.

i'm starting to feel bad for calvin like i did for barry sanders back in the day. great, great players, solid people, but both are destined to be career losers because of all the rejects that they are surrounded by.

maybe CJ retires waaay too early too because he just can't take losing anymore

[denverYooper]

I hope they do just well enough to keep Jim Schwartz around. I think he peaked last year and is on the way out, it's just a matter of this year or next year.

I hope they fire him and continue a tradition of coaching instability. If they give Schwartz time to right the ship, he might yet.

[Fritz]

This team is an interesting one. I wonder if they'll go for broke this April and trade up to get what they think are big-time players and thus give up the chance at more draft choices, or will they simply fire the OC and keep with the same draft strategy? Or, will they now draft character risk guys more who have more upside, having passed on Janoris Jenkins?

An angry bunch, these Lion fans.

[pbmax]

Given the way they ran in the second half, I am starting to wonder about the OC. I have not watched enough to be anywhere close to certain, but it doesn't look like their run game should be that unused. And Stafford is inaccurate enough that running more would help him as well.

[Fritz]

Given the way they ran in the second half, I am starting to wonder about the OC. I have not watched enough to be anywhere close to certain, but it doesn't look like their run game should be that unused. And Stafford is inaccurate enough that running more would help him as well.

Oddly, the criticism here is that Linehan was too conservative, that he didn't go deep often enough.

I share your sentiment. LeShoure was beginning to gain bigger and bigger chunks in the second half. I would have used him more, given Stafford's struggles. It looked to me like LeShoure was close to breaking a couple of those runs. The 2 yard runs of the first half were becoming 7 yard runs In Athens second half.

[mraynrand]

Schroeder spent time in a doghouse, so a doghouse accepts everyone.

Wanna know what's racist? A conservative.


No Schroeder got shaken by his facemask like an abused housewife (Kathy) on the sidelines. Holmgren was anti-woman. Anyone who wants to put Jones in a doghouse is either a racist, or is Mike Vick. But Vick would only put him in there for a few days before eating him with chopped herbs and béarnaise sauce.

[mraynrand]

Given the way they ran in the second half, I am starting to wonder about the OC. I have not watched enough to be anywhere close to certain, but it doesn't look like their run game should be that unused. And Stafford is inaccurate enough that running more would help him as well.


Detroit's running game is inaccurate. More to the point, they don't have an identity there at all, since concussion boy went down. I've seen them run absolutely everything from shotgun in one half of a game and then, inexplicably (at least for my pea brain) they run everything out of a power I in the second half. WTF?

[HowardRoark]

Oddly, the criticism here is that Linehan was too conservative, that he didn't go deep often enough.

Sounds like another abused housewife issue,

[sharpe1027]

I hope they fire him and continue a tradition of coaching instability. If they give Schwartz time to right the ship, he might yet.

That is my hope too, but I think it might be worse to let Schwartz take them further down hill first. I don't have much confidence in his ability to right ship. Overbearing in-your-face coaches are tolerated when the team is winning. The wheels tend to fall off when they lose. Players are less likely to take their shit in that situation.

[Noodle]

So, has anyone heard what Jackson was yelling at Linehan about?

[MadScientist]

So, has anyone heard what Jackson was yelling at Linehan about?

Titus Young.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/19/lions-send-titus-young-home-for-a-week-for-bad-behavior/

[Noodle]

Interesting, thanks very much.

Man, the Lions are toast.

[Guiness]

they're in the division and all but...yes, I do feel sorry for them.

I'm trying to think if I've ever even met a Lions fan. I don't think so. Cardinals either, but, y'know...

[swede]

they're in the division and all but...yes, I do feel sorry for them.

I'm trying to think if I've ever even met a Lions fan. I don't think so. Cardinals either, but, y'know...

I've met a few Lions fans. They are loyal yet seem quite aware of their team's shortcomings. I don't dislike Lions fans as much as the other two blue and purple tribes.

[Freak Out]

I thought they fired Matt Millen?

[pbmax]

First, let me say that the entire Steelers organization should face ridicule for allowing Byron Leftwich to finish the game yesterday with a (reported) separated shoulder and two broken ribs (confirmed). Regardless of the chances those injuries threatening him with further harm while continuing to play, it was clear he could no longer throw effectively more than 10 or 15 yards. Why is Charlie Batch on the roster?

Second, how did this Arizona QB stay in the game? He was withheld from some games, but seems to have played in two others when he vomited on the field (once on sideline) and continued to play. Isn't nausea one of the symptoms of concussions? http://deadspin.com/5961579/arizona-quarterback-returns-from-concussion-promptly-pukes-again

There has to be more to that story.

Last we get to the Lions. Remember Drayton Florence knocking himself out of the game on the Packers O first play? A head to head shot on Cobb? Left for a while, apparently at the insistence of a referee and then returned. Guess what? He has a concussion! http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/19/after-clearing-florence-sunday-lions-diagnose-concussion-monday/

Rare fantastic comment on PFT?

sbdt says:
Nov 19, 2012 9:05 PM
In fairness to the doctors, when dealing with the Lions it’s hard to tell who does and does not have a head injury.

[KYPack]

Schroeder spent time in a doghouse, so a doghouse accepts everyone.

Wanna know what's racist? A conservative.

OK, this goof is Tank.

He is banned already, but he has slithered in the back door with an alternate ID.

So ban him again.

He'll hate it, so it'll be fun.

[Smidgeon]

OK, this goof is Tank.

He is banned already, but he has slithered in the back door with an alternate ID.

So ban him again.

He'll hate it, so it'll be fun.

That's what I was beginning to wonder. The commentary has just been going downhill over the last couple weeks.

[mraynrand]

OK, this goof is Tank.

He is banned already, but he has slithered in the back door with an alternate ID.

So ban him again.

He'll hate it, so it'll be fun.

no need to ban; have fun with it or ignore it.

[wootah]

Tom Coughlin didn't win two SBs by encouraging his specialists after they made a bad play, especially a fucking inexcusable bad play. In fact, Coughlin almost cut his punter on the spot after the poor dude helped the Packers into the big dance by punting the ball to D-Jax instead of out of bounds as Coughlin had instructed.

Legand, you truly are an insult to this community. If you plan on posting here again I suggest you pull that pockmarked head of yours out of your ass and get your act together. I could actually feel my brain shrink while reading that garbage you vomitted together.

I'm pretty sure that a text made by JerMichael Finley randomly pressing keys on a keyboard would make more sense than any of that crap you just offered us to read. Shape up or ship out, you mental midget.




Let's see if this works...

[Fritz]

Getting back to the thread, the Lions are in their old, familiar place: a season of hope and promise (every year they have all these high number one picks to show off!) falls into the garbage. They're all still saying what they're supposed to say: the season's not over, we need to win the next game, no looking ahead, etcetera, but I think they're done. The Titus Young thing shows that this team is still a lot of ill-assorted characters, and despite that deep defensive line, the vaunted offense can't pull its head out of its ass.

Man, if the Packers had two of the Lions' defensive linemen, they'd be scary. Really scary. That Fairley kid is figuring it out.

[Pugger]

they're in the division and all but...yes, I do feel sorry for them.

I'm trying to think if I've ever even met a Lions fan. I don't think so. Cardinals either, but, y'know...

The lone loin fan I know doesn't advertize his fandom very much. :lol:

[Pugger]

Legand, you truly are an insult to this community. If you plan on posting here again I suggest you pull that pockmarked head of yours out of your ass and get your act together. I could actually feel my brain shrink while reading that garbage you vomitted together.

I'm pretty sure that a text made by JerMichael Finley randomly pressing keys on a keyboard would make more sense than any of that crap you just offered us to read. Shape up or ship out, you mental midget.




Let's see if this works...

No, this is Tank's MO = post outrageous crap to see if he'll get someone to bite. He's a real piece of work/shit.

[Upnorth]

Getting back to the thread, the Lions are in their old, familiar place: a season of hope and promise (every year they have all these high number one picks to show off!) falls into the garbage. They're all still saying what they're supposed to say: the season's not over, we need to win the next game, no looking ahead, etcetera, but I think they're done. The Titus Young thing shows that this team is still a lot of ill-assorted characters, and despite that deep defensive line, the vaunted offense can't pull its head out of its ass.

Man, if the Packers had two of the Lions' defensive linemen, they'd be scary. Really scary. That Fairley kid is figuring it out.

The way he sliced through Sitton and Saturday made him look like a pro playing against highschool kids. Has he been that good all year, or is the interior of our line that bad?

[mmmdk]

Man, if the Packers had two of the Lions' defensive linemen, they'd be scary. Really scary. That Fairley kid is figuring it out.

Sure but that Fairley kid almost broke Rodgers in half; his 2 brain cells somehow elected not to. Could've ended both their seasons. A lot of Lions players are close to retarded & their coach is a bad man.

[Fritz]

Sure but that Fairley kid almost broke Rodgers in half; his 2 brain cells somehow elected not to. Could've ended both their seasons. A lot of Lions players are close to retarded & their coach is a bad man.

Perhaps the most succinct description of any team, ever.

[pbmax]

... their coach is a bad man.

Nope, he's a bad boy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1EH96nCoTc

[mmmdk]

Perhaps the most succinct description of any team, ever.

What's else to say 'bout dem kittens? :lol:

[Fritz]

That they suck even harder this week, after they (again) self-destructed, led by their red-hanky-tossing coach.

[Lurker64]

That they suck even harder this week, after they (again) self-destructed, led by their red-hanky-tossing coach.

The irony of this is just too precious, considering that just one year ago in the infamous 49ers-Lions game, Harbaugh threw a challenge flag on a touchdown play and was flagged for 15 yards for challenging an automatically reviewed play, and NFL Films cameras caught Schwartz's response which was something like "know the rules, dumbass."

[MadtownPacker]

Hah! I was thinking the same, "know the rules, dumbass"?