Official Packers at Giants Game Day Thread

[Tony Oday]

Wouldn't want to wreck your stats huh AR.

[Packers4Glory]

Newhouse trying out a protype

http://www.flemingtonprecast.com/concrete_shoe_pix_files/100_0246.jpg

[Teamcheez1]

Why not chuck it to the end zone?

Casually throwing it out of bounds means you have given up.

[pbmax]

Our LB's have done little or nothing in this game.

Well, neither has the rest of the team for that matter.

Jones did get abused by leaving his gap on Bradshaw's TD run. He also had a couple of good plays. This D looks like its made out of mismatched parts because it is.

[Guiness]

I don't know that you can blame Newhouse. He is on an island with Osi, who is lining up pretty wide.

[denverYooper]

Jones did get abused by leaving his gap on Bradshaw's TD run. He also had a couple of good plays. This D looks like its made out of mismatched parts because it is.

CJ Wilson going out was about the last thing they needed.

[Teamcheez1]

I don't know that you can blame Newhouse. He is on an island with Osi, who is lining up pretty wide.

I agree. You need a WR, TE, or RB to chip block Osi, or just double team him. This is an adjustment that should have been made during the game, or dare I say, part of the game plan. You simply cannot have expected our OL to handle all of the pass rushers one-on one.

[denverYooper]

Why not chuck it to the end zone?

Casually throwing it out of bounds means you have given up.

I'm somewhat with you, though since the Jints scored 10 points off of Rodgers's turnovers, I think he was happy to exit the half without the Giants owning the ball.

[denverYooper]

The score blew whatever game plan the Packers had out of the water. It'll be interesting to see what they come back with.

[Joemailman]

At this point, I just want to see the Packers show some fire in the 2nd half, even if it's not enough to get back in the game. They were embarrassed in the 1st half, and you don't want that to continue.

On the bright side. I started Bradshaw in Fantasy Football.

[LEWCWA]

yeah blame the D when the O keeps giving them the ball with short fields....this offense has been a disaster. Newhouse getting schooled by a pro bowl player (how about some help), Rodgers getting smoked and turning the ball over. The stupid 55 yard fg attempt started this slide....MM just doesn't get it. Miracle come back anyone!!??

[Freak Out]

The sky is falling.

It is what it is....the Packers are missing some big names out there....and the people coming in behind them are struggling against the Giants. The second half could get ugly unless the Defense comes together.

[denverYooper]

2 TO + Missed Long FG = 17 pts.

[Kiwon]

Yeeshh.... What a first half.

[denverYooper]

100 yards, 2 TD for Finley.

[Kiwon]

Hey...Finley caught one. Surprise, surprise.....

[LEWCWA]

we found a spot for finely! defense!!

[Jimx29]

http://oi50.tinypic.com/20psuw2.jpg

[Freak Out]

100 yards, 2 TD for Finley.

3 TDs.

Take it to the bank.

[pbmax]

Cobb blew a hot read adjustment on the blitz and Newhouse just sacked Rodgers.

[Teamcheez1]

AR cannot keep holding the ball.

[denverYooper]

3 TDs.

Take it to the bank.

Bold.

[Kiwon]

Rodgers almost sacked by Newhouse.

[pbmax]

yeah blame the D when the O keeps giving them the ball with short fields....this offense has been a disaster. Newhouse getting schooled by a pro bowl player (how about some help), Rodgers getting smoked and turning the ball over. The stupid 55 yard fg attempt started this slide....MM just doesn't get it. Miracle come back anyone!!??

Newhouse has less trouble with JPP than Umenyiora which makes little sense, but OK.

Umenyiora is the RDE on pure passing downs (long yardage or certain tendency) and wasn't over Newhouse much until later in the 2nd QTR.

[pbmax]

Jones blew another coverage. They ran a late cross, which was the play du jour in 2009 and 2010 to kill the Packers D on 3rd down. memories.

[pbmax]

Burnett cannot be blocked and stationary versus Victor Cruz blocking

[Cheesehead Craig]

Hey, it's a punt for the Giants!

[Rutnstrut]

AR cannot keep holding the ball.

Yup, really a large part of the offensive problems.

[pbmax]

Hey, it's a punt for the Giants!

Are you sure?

[Cheesehead Craig]

Are you sure?

Well, it involved a guy in blue doing what Masthay has done a couple of times this game. I just assumed.

[pbmax]

CJ Wilson is out.

[Teamcheez1]

Hey, it's a punt for the Giants!

No sense in giving us any field position (hear that MM). We are sputtering along on offense, so the Giants keep the clock running, hope for a turnover, and let the game clock slip away to victory.

[LEWCWA]

giants tough team to play catch up against. built to protect leads on D. they can rush passer very well with front 4 and drop seven. only chance is to be patient on O and get a turnover or 2

[Cheesehead Craig]

Nice whiff Lang

[pbmax]

Lang would have been a better blocker if he had stood still

[Kiwon]

Lang whiffs.....

[Guiness]

Anyone still watching? I'm going to have a shower.

[Kiwon]

Rodgers....leading rusher.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Anyone still watching? I'm going to have a shower.

You asking us to join?

[pbmax]

Crabtree with a phantom hold.

[Kiwon]

Too much room.....it had to be a hold.

[Cheesehead Craig]

At least the 3rd Q has been moving along.

[Teamcheez1]

I know I would have called a run on 2nd and 20.

[Guiness]

That was a holding call? I've seen Mathews molested a lot worse than that with no call.

[Rutnstrut]

I think this shitty luck can be blamed on the dumb ass 70's porn mustache that Rodgers and MM have.

[denverYooper]

Crabtree with a phantom hold.

Just one of those nights I guess.

[denverYooper]

Packers poor fumble luck continues.

[Kiwon]

Really bad series. GB needed a sustained drive and a score. More pressure on the 'D'

[pbmax]

Good thing he muffed it because it looked like he was going to get hit either way.

[LEWCWA]

just can't buy a break.

[Guiness]

Too much room.....it had to be a hold.

I said so at first as well, but the replay showed JPP appealed to the ref instead of going after the ball carrier. It worked out for him.

[Teamcheez1]

The playcalling continues to mystify.

The Giants will just run the clock out with very little effort. Rodgers and MM are so frazzled, they have no clue what direction to go anymore.

We give them the ball around the 50. No help from our punter this game.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Why are the Giants passing? Fuckers

[Kiwon]

Manning has all day to throw.

[denverYooper]

Um.

[pbmax]

Another horrible call.

[Teamcheez1]

This game is over even if the Giants don't score here.

We can't even put a single point on the board in the 3rd quarter.

Where are the adjustments we were going to make at halftime?

[Tony Oday]

WOW we are getting jobbed on these freaking calls.

[denverYooper]

Why are the Giants passing? Fuckers

Now here is a better argument for the potential action of karma.

[pbmax]

Pickett shot a gap, got turned and opened up a lane. Plus there was a hold.

[denverYooper]

Oh hey, a flag on the Giants!

[Cheesehead Craig]

We're getting fucked by all these stats about how shitty the Giants were coming in and how good the Packers were. It's just like talking about a no-hitter. It's all NBC's fault.

[pbmax]

That's a TD.

[Teamcheez1]

Are we tough enought to beat the 49ers or Giants in the playoffs even if we get our injured players back?

This is the worst game we have played all year. Not what I expected from our 11th game of the season.

[Kiwon]

The Giants will get the call. TD.

[denverYooper]

Grandpa Coughlin trying to move up in the BCS standings.

[pbmax]

Twitter enraged that Rodgers doesn't spend more time looking at photos and talking to coaches.

So its photos versus stat conscious for the theme of the week.

[Teamcheez1]

Dandy Don Meredith should be warming up.

[Jimx29]

fuck it. i'm just gonna keep posting this. no sense in raising my BP
http://oi50.tinypic.com/20psuw2.jpg

[Kiwon]

Predict the number of knockdowns and sacks of A-Rod between now and the end of the game.

[denverYooper]

Twitter enraged that Rodgers doesn't spend more time looking at photos and talking to coaches.

So its photos versus stat conscious for the theme of the week.

Heh.

That will seem old when he drops 5 TD on the Giants in January.

[pbmax]

Neither Lang not Newhouse can block Umenyiora.

[Rutnstrut]

Hold on to it a little longer Rodgers.

[denverYooper]

Rodgers needs to start chucking it.

[Teamcheez1]

Rodgers gave up that sack, not the OL. Throw the damn ball! You are already down by 28.

[Cheesehead Craig]

They called Hawk for illegal contact earlier, where's the calls on our WRs with the same shit?

[Jimx29]

2 fakers at once!

[denverYooper]

There's karma.

[Kiwon]

If we get two Giants go down on every play then maybe we have a chance.

[Jimx29]

If we get two Giants go down on every play then maybe we have a chance.

QFT

[pbmax]

And you just know Tuesday or Wednesday Sherrod is going to IR.

[denverYooper]

And you just know Tuesday or Wednesday Sherrod is going to IR.

lolz.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Can we have another bye week?

[pbmax]

Newhopuse can learn, though. He just stopped Unmenyiora on the same spin move that caused the fumble.

[Bretsky]

This offense just looks lost; that's what I'm most surprised about
We haven't looked that impressive in recent wins
This one was too easy to see coming

[denverYooper]

Lots of time left. Maybe Al can tell us about how Chase Blackburn really didn't expect to play football last year. Did you know he was changing diapers and about to start teaching when the Giants called him?

[Guiness]

Back after a nice hot shower with my gf. Did I miss anything?

[Teamcheez1]

Kick the FG!

[pbmax]

Green blew that screen by not getting behind his blockers. Gave Umenyiora a lane.

[Cheesehead Craig]

That was a shitty throw. Didn't give Finley a chance at all.

[Bretsky]

he was not open

[Teamcheez1]

Throw into triple coverage in the end zone on 4th down. Exactly what I would have done.

[pbmax]

This offense just looks lost; that's what I'm most surprised about
We haven't looked that impressive in recent wins
This one was too easy to see coming

Welcome. Is wist with you? :lol:

[pbmax]

Back after a nice hot shower with my gf. Did I miss anything?

More fuckery on the O line and Rodgers.

[pbmax]

I don't know whether to be more mad at the LBs or the D liine.

[Cheesehead Craig]

More fuckery on the O line and Rodgers.

fuckery. Excellent word!

[pbmax]

Here's a theory: Manning is not accurate short or wide with throws. Down the middle, he is deadly.

Work?

[denverYooper]

Giants still throwing like douche bags.

[Jimx29]

Giants still throwing like douche bags.

doesn't really matter, does it?

[Kiwon]

Say what? Collingsworth said the Pack has gone 37 games without a 100 yard rusher? Correct?

[pbmax]

Mommy porn.

[Teamcheez1]

We don't get off a single block when they run the ball.

[denverYooper]

Mommy porn.

She's way out of his league.

[denverYooper]

doesn't really matter, does it?

That's what I was thinking after that run.

[Rutnstrut]

Say what? Collingsworth said the Pack has gone 37 games without a 100 yard rusher? Correct?

That doesn't matter, according to all the "experts" here. You don't need a running game when you have Rodgers.

[Bretsky]

Welcome. Is wist with you? :lol:


No; he would be calling for Dom Capers head


We seem like we've given up

[pbmax]

That doesn't matter, according to all the "experts" here. You don't need a running game when you have Rodgers.

With Jennings gone, Finley living a nightmare and missing Brian Bulaga, I am more inclined to agree a running game would help. But planning an offense around catastrophe seems self defeating.

[pbmax]

No; he would be calling for Dom Capers head


We seem like we've given up

D is still trying. O doesn't know what it doesn't know.

[Kiwon]

Thanks. Throwing on 4th and 2.

[Little Whiskey]

on the bright side. picking the duds/mice tomorrow will be pretty easy!

[denverYooper]

Thanks. Throwing on 4th and 2.

It's karma.

[ND72]

Say what? Collingsworth said the Pack has gone 37 games without a 100 yard rusher? Correct?

Week 5 2010 Brandon Jackson vs Washington was last 100 yard rusher.

[pbmax]

For a dome team, the Packers sure have trouble with the Giants quickness.

[Bretsky]

Martellus Benett sighting

If I recall many of us were pimping both Martllus Bennett and Jermichael Finley the year they were coming out for the draft. Most in here liked Bennett better but both were high upside bests in college who obviously had receiving skills but had some maturity issues.

After last year it appeared Bennett was the bust with Dallas and we going to the NYG because they lost their two TE's

At this point, Bennett's upside seems lower but he's far more reliable than Finley and a better player IMO

[Teamcheez1]

Thanks. Throwing on 4th and 2.

Coughlin is making a statement to MM by completely crushing him.

[denverYooper]

The Giants are just concerned for Rodgers's health.

[Cheesehead Craig]

For a dome team, the Packers sure have trouble with the Giants quickness.

But see, the Packers are outside now, so their dome-ness has been negated. The Giants have outdoor quickness, the Pack is only indoor quickness

[Teamcheez1]

Martellus Benett sighting

If I recall many of us were pimping both Martllus Bennett and Jermichael Finley the year they were coming out for the draft. Most in here liked Bennett better but both were high upside bests in college who obviously had receiving skills but had some maturity issues.

After last year it appeared Bennett was the bust with Dallas and we going to the NYG because they lost their two TE's

At this point, Bennett's upside seems lower but he's far more reliable than Finley and a better player IMO

We have to pay Finley around $8M next year. Have we seen enough to realize that money would be better spent elsewhere?

[Bretsky]

For a dome team, the Packers sure have trouble with the Giants quickness.


We match up very poorly vs the Giants; I've said that too many times in the past few years

[Kiwon]

There can't be a flag on that!

[Bretsky]

We have to pay Finley around $8M next year. Have we seen enough to realize that money would be better spent elsewhere?

But what kind of a cap hit do you take if you let him go ? I think you let things play out next year

[pbmax]

We match up very poorly vs the Giants; I've said that too many times in the past few years

Its 3-3 after tonight/

[Cheesehead Craig]

What the hell?

[pbmax]

But what kind of a cap hit do you take if you let him go ? I think you let things play out next year

Its not much. The base takes care of the acceleration. Not saying its smart, but easily doable.

[Teamcheez1]

But what kind of a cap hit do you take if you let him go ? I think you let things play out next year

No cap hit. We owe him a $3.5M roster bonus in March, and in addition, a $4.45M base salary for next year.

[pbmax]

Coughlin is making a statement to MM by completely crushing him.

I am sure it will crush their will to live. Just like throttling the Cardinals in the reg season led to that team collapsing in the playoffs in 2009.

[Bretsky]

Its 3-3 after tonight/


I see what I see; stats are sometimes overrated. 2 of them counted way over the other four; in my book those get plenty of extra weight

[pbmax]

But see, the Packers are outside now, so their dome-ness has been negated. The Giants have outdoor quickness, the Pack is only indoor quickness

I bet we read this from a reporter this week.

[pbmax]

I see what I see; stats are sometimes overrated. 2 of them counted way over the other four; in my book those get plenty of extra weight

So the Giants in 2007 were a bad matchup? Not buying that.

[Cheesehead Craig]

So far Harrell 3 for 3 in handoffs. It's a streak!

[pbmax]

I think its time to use Green as relief and start Starks.

[Jimx29]

I can't believe how quiet it is there

[Bretsky]

that is awesome; run the clock out

Did you guys see the study that rated Graham Harrell the worst NFL Backup ?

[pbmax]

that is awesome; run the clock out

Did you guys see the study that rated Graham Harrell the worst NFL Backup ?

Where?

[Cheesehead Craig]

that is awesome; run the clock out

Did you guys see the study that rated Graham Harrell the worst NFL Backup ?

Worse than Batch? That's harsh.

[Teamcheez1]

Good to see Harrell getting some practice reps handing the ball off.

You never know when he will be called upon in a critical situation to do the same.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Yea! I win my fantasy week by 1.1 pts. Thanks Bradshaw.

[Bretsky]

maybe it was in the bottom tier of backups...bottom 4. He was right there with Tyrod Taylor, Luke Mccown, and Dan Orlovsky

[Bretsky]

Where?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000094858/article/backup-quarterbacks-who-has-best-contingency-plan-worst

[Brando19]

Yea! I win my fantasy week by 1.1 pts. Thanks Bradshaw.

Not cool! You beat me. Man I suck this year!

[Cheesehead Craig]

Not cool! You beat me. Man I suck this year!

I thought Cruz was going to kill me tonight.

[pbmax]

We're going to need a new Game Day thread starter.

[denverYooper]

Its 3-3 after tonight/

It only counts when they lose. Hence, 0-3 in games that count.

[Kiwon]

Other than Jordy's catch, that was a 3-hour stinker.

Well, at least Crosby has his confidence back. Wow, a 55-yarder!!! Oh, wait.....he missed it.....

Nice call on the 2nd series of the game. #textbook

[RashanGary]

Our OL is a mess. A friggin mess.

[Jimx29]

One more time....

http://oi50.tinypic.com/20psuw2.jpg

[LegandofthePack15]

One more time....

http://oi50.tinypic.com/20psuw2.jpg

:lol:

[denverYooper]

Our OL is a mess. A friggin mess.

Ya not one of their better nights. The athleticism of the Giants rushers really hurt tonight. Rodgers needs to bang some of those throws though. There was a clip where they showed how the coverage was helping the rush but there were some throws there for Rodgers. Either he wasn't looking at them or he wanted something else. Collinsworth even switched boats midstream on his analysis from "the Giants had great coverage" to "Rodgers didn't like what he saw".

[denverYooper]

Sooo. Rodgers in his postgame presser mentioned something about things going under the radar during their 5 game winning streak that this loss hammered home. I wonder what those things were...

[pittstang5]

Didn't watch the game at all and looks like I'm glad I didn't. Packers were due for an ass kicking and it looks like they got it. I figured this would be a rough game. Giants were coming off a bye and were desperate for a win - which I knew would spell trouble for the Pack.

So, without even looking at any reports about the game, I bet I can guess what went wrong: O-line played like garbage, No pass rush, no running game and dropped passes by receivers.

Am I right?

[Joemailman]

Dropped passes weren't a huge problem. Other than that you'r right.

[pbmax]

Running game wasn't a tire fire. RBs were 22 for 82. Long of 8 yards.

[mmmdk]

Sooo. Rodgers in his postgame presser mentioned something about things going under the radar during their 5 game winning streak that this loss hammered home. I wonder what those things were...

I wonder too! Anyone know what Rodgers refers to?

[Rutnstrut]

I wonder too! Anyone know what Rodgers refers to?

How about the fact that Rodgers is waaaaay over rated.

[mmmdk]

How about the fact that Rodgers is waaaaay over rated.

The SB MVP & league MVP of 2011? That Aaron Rodgers? Ok, I'll meet ya somewhat; Rodgers is not at his best this season. There, happy?

[denverYooper]

How about the fact that Rodgers is waaaaay over rated.

Disagree. You don't win a superbowl MVP and league MVP being overrated. That said, there are times when I, as a fan, would like to see the QB taking chances blazing away trying to get back in the game. Not Rodgers MO though, and his way will win them more games than not.

[Freak Out]

Did the Packers run s screen last night?

[denverYooper]

Did the Packers run s screen last night?

I thought they tried to run at least 1 when my daughter was telling me a story about monkeys who wore pants and shirts.

[Rutnstrut]

I have said it before, and will again. When the cards fall right, Rodgers is a god. But when there is some adversity, he chokes big time. But it doesn't help that the head coach is a worthless fuck.

[denverYooper]

Well, there was this from the NFCN Blog (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/49823/nfc-north-week-12-quarterback-report-2):

Aaron Rodgers
Passer rating: 81.9
QBR: 17.3
Action plays: 38
Comment: Rodgers' QBR suggested Sunday night was one of the least effective games of his career; it was the lowest in a game with at least 20 action plays since Week 4 of the 2008 season. Our eyes told us Rodgers was part of an entire Green Bay Packers offense that got overwhelmed by the New York Giants, especially its offensive line. Rodgers was under duress, sacked or hit while throwing on 17 of his 33 drop backs. That 51.5 percentage is the highest against any NFL quarterback in a single game this season. For his part, Rodgers completed less than 50 percent of his first-down throws (4-of-11) for the first time this season.

[MadtownPacker]

We're going to need a new Game Day thread starter.
Eat shit and die MFer!!

[denverYooper]

I thought Collingsworth had the best comment of the night when he said "sometimes you've just gotta burn the tape and move on" at the end of the game.

[George Cumby]

How about the fact that Rodgers is waaaaay over rated.

LOL!

Look at the overall body of work, lad.

[Guiness]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000094858/article/backup-quarterbacks-who-has-best-contingency-plan-worst

Opinions are like assholes...

I'm not saying they're wrong about Harrell, but look how they ranked Kaepernick; 2nd tier from the bottom.

[Freak Out]

Well, there was this from the NFCN Blog (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/49823/nfc-north-week-12-quarterback-report-2):

Aaron Rodgers
Passer rating: 81.9
QBR: 17.3
Action plays: 38
Comment: Rodgers' QBR suggested Sunday night was one of the least effective games of his career; it was the lowest in a game with at least 20 action plays since Week 4 of the 2008 season. Our eyes told us Rodgers was part of an entire Green Bay Packers offense that got overwhelmed by the New York Giants, especially its offensive line. Rodgers was under duress, sacked or hit while throwing on 17 of his 33 drop backs. That 51.5 percentage is the highest against any NFL quarterback in a single game this season. For his part, Rodgers completed less than 50 percent of his first-down throws (4-of-11) for the first time this season.

Reading about it wasn't as bad as watching it. Ugly stuff.

[pbmax]

Did the Packers run s screen last night?

Yes with Green to their left. Green outran the blockers and settled for 5-7 yards instead of the 10-15 he could have had.

[pbmax]

Eat shit and die MFer!!

That's the spirit, go down fighting and never admit defeat!

Seriously, who will start the Game Day thread next week? Get it up on Saturday so we can advertise on Twitter before the game.

[MadtownPacker]

Freakout would do it but he is a pussy.

[woodbuck27]

Worse than Batch? That's harsh.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/steelers/2012/11/20/charlie-batch-starter-browns-byron-leftwich/1717273/

Batch is 5-2 while subing for Roethlisberger through the years.

Projecting 5-2 to 10-4 to 11-5. Now if I could have a back-up QB that wins 5 NFL games of seven. I'd say I had a real gem. Yes Charlie Batch threw 3 Picks yesterday and the TO's killed the Steelers in Cleveland but as a backup for the Steelers Batch has done very well in the past.

[Guiness]

That's the spirit, go down fighting and never admit defeat!

Seriously, who will start the Game Day thread next week? Get it up on Saturday so we can advertise on Twitter before the game.

I think we need a change of scenery - a Canadian flavour? I see Woody is back, maybe MTP can figure something out that him, I and Up North Fan can co-author it! We might even let Patler in as an honorary, seeing as he knows where Sudbury is, and has heard of the Wolves!

[woodbuck27]

My observations of the blow out win again by the GIANTS over our Packers.

NY GIANTS 38 - Green Bay PACKERS 10. The 28-point beating the Packers endured on Sunday night Nov. 25, 2012, was the team’s worst loss since ARod's time as our starter. Did Aaron Rodgers have any real chance for a win last night? Sure our offense was able to sustain us over the course of serios long term injuries to key defensive players but that only goes on for so long. Last night...the gig was up.

Four of our most important players, including three defensive starters are out. Greg Jennings is recovering from groin surgery and missed his seventh straight game. Safety Charles Woodson has a broken collarbone and was inactive for the fourth consecutive game. CB Sam Shields has been battling a lingering leg injury and missed his fifth consecutive game. Clay Matthews, the Packers’ best pass rusher, missed a second straight week with a hamstring injury.Our team is hurting badly with the numerous injuries and as Packer fans that has to be heavily weighed in terms of Packers Vs strong teams. All the injuries has to naturally take it's toll.

Here's the Packer injury Report:

http://www.packers.com/team/injury-report.html

In a Packer Vs GIANTS game I look at the Head Coach's. Did MM have our team 'under prepared' for that game? Maybe the team wasn't set mentally to play a tough opponent that had to win that game last night? All week I felt it was a tough call as to who would win this matchup. The GIANTS own us of late in big games. In those games. Really, who is the superior coach? Mike McCarthy or Tom Coughlan? Observing both on the sidelines. Which coach do you like?

MM decisions. That call to try to get Mason Crosby's confidence back by asking him to kick a FG beyond mid field. IMO that wasn't the best decision but I don't know where Mason Crosby's head is in such decisions. I don't know what he and MM have decided to do, to go RE: giving his confidence back.

Personally I wouldn't ask Mason Crosby try such a long FG.

So looking at our team overall and hopefully, short term problems. It's obvious that we are again struggling with pass defense. We're missing Charles Woodson at safety and Clay Matthews limits our pass rush in a league that needs one big time.

Long term. Our OL is horrid. It's now given up a NFL high 37 QB sacks. That's unlikely to get fixed in a hurry. We need to get Greg Jennings back to give Aaron Rodgers more opportunity to see a talented WR open. We need to see MM open up our offense to see the ball spread around. Where did that go? I read the bitch on J. Finley at TE and are you understanding his role this season?

I'm an NFL fan and a Packer fan. I realize that the margin of winning can be small. I see more parity as a factor this season in terms of outcomes. If yopu really expected your Packers to go into New York and defeat the GIANTS who were rested and more health now. Your IMO certainly an optimistic Packer fan. I felt that the GIANTS had to win that game last night and too much was in place to ensure that result.

Today our team is 7-4 or the best record amongst curent Wild Card teams and the remaining schedule is dominated with NFCN games. We have to get healthy for a real chance.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

I think we need a change of scenery - a Canadian flavour? I see Woody is back, maybe MTP can figure something out that him, I and Up North Fan can co-author it! We might even let Patler in as an honorary, seeing as he knows where Sudbury is, and has heard of the Wolves!

Hi Guiness and LOL.

[Guiness]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/steelers/2012/11/20/charlie-batch-starter-browns-byron-leftwich/1717273/

Batch is 5-2 while subbing for Roethlisberger through the years.

Projecting 5-2 to 10-4 to 11-5. Now if I could have a back-up QB that wins 5 NFL games of seven. I'd say I had a real gem. Yes Charlie Batch threw 3 Picks yesterday and the TO's killed the Steelers in Cleveland but as a backup for the Steelers Batch has done very well in the past.

In the past. Shawn Merriman was an effective LB...in the past.

He's 37, and it was patently obvious last night that he is not going to start in the NFL any longer. He's a clipboard holder only, in the mold of the Doug Pederson of 2004. His job is to laugh at the starting QB's jokes, clean and reload his guns on hunting trips, and run the scout team offense.

Interesting that Pittsburgh has two vets backing up Roth, instead of a vet and a developmental guy. It's been a while since we've had a vet behind our QB, whereas it used to be commonplace - before Pederson, there was McMahon, Rubley and Bono (who I think was still allowed to wear a leather helmet).

[George Cumby]

My observations of the blow out win again by the GIANTS over our Packers.

NY GIANTS 39 - Green Bay PACKERS 10. The 28-point beating the Packers endured on Sunday night Nov. 25, 2012, was the team’s worst loss since ARod's time as our starter. Did Aaron Rodgers have any real chance for a win last night? Sure our offense was able to sustain us over the course of serios long term injuries to key defensive players but that only goes on for so long. Last night...the gig was up.

Four of our most important players, including three defensive starters are out. Greg Jennings is recovering from groin surgery and missed his seventh straight game. Safety Charles Woodson has a broken collarbone and was inactive for the fourth consecutive game. CB Sam Shields has been battling a lingering leg injury and missed his fifth consecutive game. Clay Matthews, the Packers’ best pass rusher, missed a second straight week with a hamstring injury.Our team is hurting badly with the numerous injuries and as Packer fans that has to be heavily weighed in terms of Packers Vs strong teams. All the injuries has to naturally take it's toll.

In a Packer Vs GIANTS game I look at the Head Coach's. Did MM had our team under prepared for that game? Maybe the team wasn't set mentally to play a tough opponent that had to win that game last night? All week I felt it was a tough call as to who would win this matchup. The GIANTS own us of late in big games. In those games. Really who is the superior coach? Mike McCarthy or Tom Coughlan? Observing both on the sidelines. Which coach do you like?

MM decisions. That call to try to get Mason Crosby's confidence back by asking him to kick a FG beyond mid field. IMO that wasn't the best decision but I don't know where Mason Crosby's head is in such decisions. I don't know what he and MM have decided to do RE: giving his confidence back. Personally I wouldn't ask Mason Crosby try such a long FG.

So looking at our team overall and hopefully, short term problems. It's obvious that we are again struggling with pass defense. We're missing Charles Woodson at safety and Clay Matthews limits our pass rush in a league that needs one big time.

Long term. Our OL is horrid. It's now given up a NFL high 37 QB sacks. That's unlikely to get fixed in a hurry. We need to get Greg Jennings back to give Aaron Rodgers more opportunity to see a talented WR open. We need to see MM open up our offense to see the ball spread around. Where did that go? I read the bitch on J. Finley at TE and are you understanding his role this season?

I'm an NFL fan and a Packer fan. I realize that the margin of winning can be small. I see more parity as a factor this season in terms of outcomes. If yopu really expected your Packers to go into New York and defeat the GIANTS who were rested and more health now. Your IMO certainly an optimistic Packer fan. I felt that the GIANTS had to win that game last night and too much was in place to ensure that result.

Today our team is 7-4 or the best record amongst curent Wild Card teams and the remaining schedule is dominated with NFCN games. We have to get healthy for a real chance.

GO PACKERS !

Holy crap. I understood that.

Hi Woody!

[woodbuck27]

In the past. Shawn Merriman was an effective LB...in the past.

He's 37, and it was patently obvious last night that he is not going to start in the NFL any longer. He's a clipboard holder only, in the mold of the Doug Pederson of 2004. His job is to laugh at the starting QB's jokes, clean and reload his guns on hunting trips, and run the scout team offense.

Interesting that Pittsburgh has two vets backing up Roth, instead of a vet and a developmental guy. It's been a while since we've had a vet behind our QB, whereas it used to be commonplace - before Pederson, there was McMahon, Rubley and Bono (who I think was still allowed to wear a leather helmet).

I realize 'of course' that Charlie Batch isn't 'a world beater' but that 5-2 record as 'the resident' backup impressed me. So much 'in fact' that I backed him and the Steelers in Cleveland this week. Mistake !

Everything you need to know on Charlie Batch. I'm sure he's someone's HERO:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Batch

[woodbuck27]

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/McCarthy-offers-harsh-review-of-Packers-loss/780bd1c5-9c6f-4aac-9453-51ee72924c83?campaign=email_post_giants

Fr. the above article:

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J.—Packers Head Coach Mike McCarthy didn’t hide his emotions for his team’s 38-10 loss to the New York Giants on Sunday night.


“We were thoroughly beat this evening. We were beat in every facet. It starts with me. When a team is beat like that, it starts with the coach,” McCarthy said in a postgame press conference like none in recent memory. McCarthy even hinted that Sunday’s loss at MetLife Stadium might be the worst in his seven years as the team’s coach.

At the root of the Packers’ loss were five sacks of Aaron Rodgers by the Giants who, again, were able to disrupt the Packers’ passing attack with a four-man rush. It was the same formula the Giants used last January to win at Lambeau Field and knock the Packers from the playoffs.

“The New York Giants have an outstanding defensive line. We had a plan. We didn’t execute it very well. We got away from it and went to some spread things that didn’t work very well. That was my fault, bad play calling,” McCarthy said.

See the above LINK for the entire story.

GO PACKERS !

[Little Whiskey]

My observations of the blow out win again by the GIANTS over our Packers.

NY GIANTS 38 - Green Bay PACKERS 10. The 28-point beating the Packers endured on Sunday night Nov. 25, 2012, was the team’s worst loss since ARod's time as our starter. Did Aaron Rodgers have any real chance for a win last night? Sure our offense was able to sustain us over the course of serios long term injuries to key defensive players but that only goes on for so long. Last night...the gig was up.

Four of our most important players, including three defensive starters are out. Greg Jennings is recovering from groin surgery and missed his seventh straight game. Safety Charles Woodson has a broken collarbone and was inactive for the fourth consecutive game. CB Sam Shields has been battling a lingering leg injury and missed his fifth consecutive game. Clay Matthews, the Packers’ best pass rusher, missed a second straight week with a hamstring injury.Our team is hurting badly with the numerous injuries and as Packer fans that has to be heavily weighed in terms of Packers Vs strong teams. All the injuries has to naturally take it's toll.

Here's the Packer injury Report:

http://www.packers.com/team/injury-report.html

In a Packer Vs GIANTS game I look at the Head Coach's. Did MM have our team 'under prepared' for that game? Maybe the team wasn't set mentally to play a tough opponent that had to win that game last night? All week I felt it was a tough call as to who would win this matchup. The GIANTS own us of late in big games. In those games. Really, who is the superior coach? Mike McCarthy or Tom Coughlan? Observing both on the sidelines. Which coach do you like?

MM decisions. That call to try to get Mason Crosby's confidence back by asking him to kick a FG beyond mid field. IMO that wasn't the best decision but I don't know where Mason Crosby's head is in such decisions. I don't know what he and MM have decided to do, to go RE: giving his confidence back.

Personally I wouldn't ask Mason Crosby try such a long FG.

So looking at our team overall and hopefully, short term problems. It's obvious that we are again struggling with pass defense. We're missing Charles Woodson at safety and Clay Matthews limits our pass rush in a league that needs one big time.

Long term. Our OL is horrid. It's now given up a NFL high 37 QB sacks. That's unlikely to get fixed in a hurry. We need to get Greg Jennings back to give Aaron Rodgers more opportunity to see a talented WR open. We need to see MM open up our offense to see the ball spread around. Where did that go? I read the bitch on J. Finley at TE and are you understanding his role this season?

I'm an NFL fan and a Packer fan. I realize that the margin of winning can be small. I see more parity as a factor this season in terms of outcomes. If yopu really expected your Packers to go into New York and defeat the GIANTS who were rested and more health now. Your IMO certainly an optimistic Packer fan. I felt that the GIANTS had to win that game last night and too much was in place to ensure that result.

Today our team is 7-4 or the best record amongst curent Wild Card teams and the remaining schedule is dominated with NFCN games. We have to get healthy for a real chance.

GO PACKERS !

First long Woodbuck post I've read in a long time. nice post woody!

[Patler]

When the QB gets hit or sacked on more than 50% of the passing plays, everything about the passing game was broken.

A - pass blocking sucked
B - Qb's decision making was bad,
C - play calling was poor
D - game planning was off target.
E - receivers failed to adjust, didn't take what was there, and made too few big plays.

"A" undoubtedly contributed to "B", but "B" can be a problem at times anyway, particularly when Rodgers becomes ultra safe. "C"+"D" did nothing to help out "A", "B"or "E", and "B" and "E" did nothing to overcome deficiencies in "A", "C" and "D".

Just an overall poor performance by everyone involved.

[denverYooper]

When the QB gets hit or sacked on more than 50% of the passing plays, everything about the passing game was broken.

A - pass blocking sucked
B - Qb's decision making was bad,
C - play calling was poor
D - game planning was off target.
E - receivers failed to adjust, didn't take what was there, and made too few big plays.

"A" undoubtedly contributed to "B", but "B" can be a problem at times anyway, particularly when Rodgers becomes ultra safe. "C"+"D" did nothing to help out "A", "B"or "E", and "B" and "E" did nothing to overcome deficiencies in "A", "C" and "D".

Just an overall poor performance by everyone involved.

I struggle with this because I know that Rodgers will win more games than not this way. BUT it's aggravating sometimes that he seems to get more conservative in certain situations (after turnovers, getting shelled). I get to see Manning play every week now, a QB that Rodgers is sometimes compared with for heady play. A HUGE difference I see when each are under duress is Manning's willingness to continue making (necessary, IMO) risky throws when the team is down, sometimes because of his hand -- even to receivers who have dropped balls. See Denver's Atlanta, Houston, and San Diego games, particularly in the 2nd half. Manning continues to throw balls into tight coverage, even some that could be picked off. To me, this was also where a certain former Packers quarterback shined, though his overall method be more maddening.

[woodbuck27]

First long Woodbuck post I've read in a long time. nice post woody!

Well Thanks a bunch.

Can anyone inform me as to whether or not James Jones or DD was on the field and either targeted? There absence seemed conspicuous to me.

Packer injury report ..... DD was listed as probable (thumb) and I believe James Jones dressed.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

When the QB gets hit or sacked on more than 50% of the passing plays, everything about the passing game was broken.

A - pass blocking sucked
B - Qb's decision making was bad,
C - play calling was poor
D - game planning was off target.
E - receivers failed to adjust, didn't take what was there, and made too few big plays.

"A" undoubtedly contributed to "B", but "B" can be a problem at times anyway, particularly when Rodgers becomes ultra safe. "C"+"D" did nothing to help out "A", "B"or "E", and "B" and "E" did nothing to overcome deficiencies in "A", "C" and "D".

Just an overall poor performance by everyone involved.

TRANSLATION - An utter mess and must be simply forgotten and all efforts exercised looking forward to Minny at Green Bay this week. It was OK for MM and Packer coachs and Packer players to exercise their possible need and option to view the game film for a maximum period of 24-36 hours. To dwell on that any longer into week 13 would be masochistic.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

When the QB gets hit or sacked on more than 50% of the passing plays, everything about the passing game was broken.

A - pass blocking sucked
B - Qb's decision making was bad,
C - play calling was poor
D - game planning was off target.
E - receivers failed to adjust, didn't take what was there, and made too few big plays.

"A" undoubtedly contributed to "B", but "B" can be a problem at times anyway, particularly when Rodgers becomes ultra safe. "C"+"D" did nothing to help out "A", "B"or "E", and "B" and "E" did nothing to overcome deficiencies in "A", "C" and "D".

Just an overall poor performance by everyone involved.

Patler can you please write that all out in long hand. Some of us are bad at math.

[Freak Out]

I saw Jones out there all the time IIRC but don't think he caught a pass.

[Bossman641]

I struggle with this because I know that Rodgers will win more games than not this way. BUT it's aggravating sometimes that he seems to get more conservative in certain situations (after turnovers, getting shelled). I get to see Manning play every week now, a QB that Rodgers is sometimes compared with for heady play. A HUGE difference I see when each are under duress is Manning's willingness to continue making (necessary, IMO) risky throws when the team is down, sometimes because of his hand -- even to receivers who have dropped balls. See Denver's Atlanta, Houston, and San Diego games, particularly in the 2nd half. Manning continues to throw balls into tight coverage, even some that could be picked off. To me, this was also where a certain former Packers quarterback shined, though his overall method be more maddening.

I believe I also saw that Manning was the least pressured QB in the league this year. I'll see if I can track down where I found it.

[denverYooper]

I believe I also saw that Manning was the least pressured QB in the league this year. I'll see if I can track down where I found it.

Denver's line is playing well and Clady has returned to form as a top LT. That sure helps.

[Rutnstrut]

I struggle with this because I know that Rodgers will win more games than not this way. BUT it's aggravating sometimes that he seems to get more conservative in certain situations (after turnovers, getting shelled). I get to see Manning play every week now, a QB that Rodgers is sometimes compared with for heady play. A HUGE difference I see when each are under duress is Manning's willingness to continue making (necessary, IMO) risky throws when the team is down, sometimes because of his hand -- even to receivers who have dropped balls. See Denver's Atlanta, Houston, and San Diego games, particularly in the 2nd half. Manning continues to throw balls into tight coverage, even some that could be picked off. To me, this was also where a certain former Packers quarterback shined, though his overall method be more maddening.

Exfuckingxactly, Rodgers seems more worried about his stats at times than he is about winning.

[woodbuck27]

I believe I also saw that Manning was the least pressured QB in the league this year. I'll see if I can track down where I found it.

Archie Manning? No way !

Sometimes he manages to attend both of his boys games.


Seriously....Eli Manning was only SACKED 13 TIMES this season and BIG Bro Peyton Manning 16 times.

[denverYooper]

Archie Manning? No way !

Sometimes he manages to attend both of his boys games.

Woody! You're just killing it these days. Good to see you back!

Repped.

[woodbuck27]

Woody! You're just killing it these days. Good to see you back!

Repped.

Hi denverYooper. Thank You Packer fan.

I'm never far away from Packerrats. This is and always will be my Green Bay Packer HOME.

GO PACKERS !

[Pugger]

I saw Jones out there all the time IIRC but don't think he caught a pass.

Yes, for a while there I thought Jones was inactive.

[Pugger]

Exfuckingxactly, Rodgers seems more worried about his stats at times than he is about winning.

He might be more worried about life and limb...